What is revoking her USEF membership really going to do? I don't think she has to have a current membership to be on the USEF leading hunter breeders list. Those points are contributed by the owners showing their young horses that are by her stallions…she doesn't need a membership unless she is actively competing a horse herself. [/QUOTE]
From USEF Rankings pages, for Leading Hunter Breeding Breeder, Leading Hunter Breeding Owner, Leading Hunter Breeding Sire:
"In order to earn points, horses must be recorded with USEF and their owner must be a member."
Granted in the first category the points are accrued by offspring, but does the farm/person who earns the title have to be a member ? It would be rather odd if the USEF leading breeder wasn't required to be a member !
Clearly for Leading Owner and Leading Sire, membership is required.
However my reason for asking about revocation of membership was only to find out what USEF's bottom line was. Every association has some criteria for behavior in order to retain membership.
Since USEF is the national governing body of equestrian sports (with horse welfare firmly in their sights) surely the JB/GFF situation has crossed the line at some point, whether horse neglect or illegal business practices.
Ok, I did not look at the USEF stuff.. yes the USEF are a mess,, one of the horses still has not had all the points switched from negative to positive and its been months.. and several others are not even listed as contributors to the rankings at all..
LOL i miss alot in my bubble...
Anyway , it is very easily misunderstood the way the man wrote the article and i have tried to contact him several times, via all methods
Needless to say, I have very little respect for USEF ("little old ladies in skirts" is how one previous trainer referred to the organization). It does as it pleases - turns its head regarding abuse, drug violations, etc., etc., for favored BNTs or wealthy owners, but will nail the "little people" to the wall for the slightest infraction. So don't expect much help from USEF in the JB/GFF case - she is making money for the organization (all those owners registering their horses with USEF), so they will turn a blind eye to her shenanigans.
And, as for whether Jill is "mentally ill" or just a crook - don't forget she is being enabled by HER HUSBAND.
WOW DownYonder. Just WOW.
Most of the time, that's usually how things are in any organization. It's all about the money. That is, UNTIL something huge and reputation damaging happens to the supporting organization like the Penn state scandal. So yea, I don't think this is big enough or hurts their reputation. Unless USEF is somehow found to be part of the problem.
Just reading and following this thread shows a very long history of issues ~ but yet some of us were slammed years back for TRYING to bring attention to this heinous issue! How may of you tolerated this for one reason or another?!?! I dare you to come forward.....
This could have been prevented ~ UNREAL :mad:
Not to mention the whole Barney Ward fiasco (with him training up to the end). Or the way I have watched young dressage horses trained, with side reins and draw reins so tight they could break the horses neck. The examples are endless of how little the horse matters in horse sport.
The whole "industry" is a disgusting mess full of sociopaths and people with zero interest in animal welfare.
Yes, it is Romantic Star and he is UC Davis and doing well. I saw all the stallions in late Oct and I would not consider them a '2'. Some of mares could be considered 3 or 4. But again, this was in late October an we have had a lot of rain and cold weather since then.
Clearly, none of that worked. But as someone else said earlier, you can't convict others who dealt with her before all of this came out, particularly if they weren't having problems. You who have never spoken with her cannot know how well she can explain things that she is questioned on. She is really good, and I am not a trusting person. That is a very broad brush you are using, and not at all fair to do.
The gates are protected to the property.
Ditto Laurie. Its easy to blame and say "told you so", but fact is a lot of people were in different situations with her, enabling on different levels??? If I believed every rumor/story about every trainer I would have no where to train.
The really sad fact now is that because the word is out there she does not have the $$ to care for the horses and unfortunately (I believe) the horses have to reach a certain level of neglect before they are seized which is why I felt that if she gave them away it was better than waiting until they were seized, because I would hate to think they all had to reach starvation level before something could be done :(
I would love to see Marin be able to seize them all and not have it be a month by month thing where they are removed as their health fails :( yes this may weaken the case against Jill, but I'm not on the same page as Stella that says let them stay and be really sick so the case against Jill can be iron clad. Because you know that means some of them will not make it.
So this is going to sound a little selfish, but what recourse do people with a breeding to one of the stallions have? I chose not to use my breeding when this sunami hit, so do I forfit the stud fee or what?
Also, I almost threw up a little when I read about Romantic Star. How can anyone turn a blind eye to that gorgeous animal, hurt and hungry? Makes my brain hurt.