You'd think they'd learn!
You'd think they'd learn!
Doesn't sound good. Poor horse.
Did anyone ever post a video?? I wasn't about to wade through 27 pages to find it.
I skimmed through about pg 25....didn't see any links or comments about a video.
WHY do all these supposedly top riders buy into this bs???
One of the members described it in a lot of detail - sounds awful.
At least they are now starting damage control BEFORE the videos hit the internet.
Yikes...I was witness to something very similar to this in WY on a mare that was very cinch sour.
I would bet that this stallion through time- could be taught to accept the bridle nicely with clicker training.
I'm really tired of the Parelli's and their "horse training."
Is this what they are doing to blow our friends from across the Pond, socks off?
What the he%$ is wrong with these people? You know how I taught my OTTB to put a bridle on when he was 100% against it? I gave him a friggin sugar cube!!! It took five minutes per day for a week. It's been a year and a half and he still puts his bridle on like a champ without a treat. When will they go out of business?
Try peeps. Works for us. $1.59 a box of 15 if you don't get them on clearance.
And I give you this advice FOR FREE.
Somebody send these bozos a copy of Xenophon's "On Equitation." He knew how to train a horse to accept the bridle 2300 years ago. I use his method today. It works. It works well. It can easily be combined with treats or other methods to deal with a problem horse.
Of course how do you charge for stuff that's been public domain for two millenia???
P.S. Maybe the alleged "top riders" are really not so "top"?
F****** idiots. I wonder if anyone bothered to, you know, CHECK the horses EARS for, I don't know, AURAL PLAQUES or SARCOIDS. Or maybe check his mouth for cracked/infected/impacted teeth or even like xray his head to check for injuries... Nooooo, we just go straight to "he's misbehaving so let's have Pat Pepperoni beat the shit out of him"
They should NOT be doing this to a stallion. You know what happens when you try to do things by force with stallions and you frighten them and beat them? Eventually they get fed the **** up and they say NO. NO SIR, I am NOT going to do that and you will NOT beat me anymore. and someone gets hurt or killed.
I never thought I'd have to go as far as to say Pepperoni shouldn't handle stallions (after all, it's not THAT difficult, you just have to know what you're doing)
Wait, the horse has a bridling issue and Parelli put a gum line on him AND tied a leg up??
OK parellites, if this really happened, how is this ok? Especially when you read this on the Parelli website:
If the video comes out and really shows a horse being twitched and tied for over an hour, and getting loose and backing into jumps... :mad:Quote:
EAR SHY? By Pat Parelli
Can you touch your husband's ears? What about your best friend's, your child's or your mother's?
If you couldn't then there's probably something wrong with the relationship! This is how I want you to think of your horse's so-called 'problem'. If he doesn't like his ears to be touched its because deep down inside, he does not trust you. There is a flaw in your relationship.
When I talk about the solution here I am going to give you the natural approach, the one that consider's the horse's point of view. To effect a 'cure' you have to gain his trust and permission. The normal way is often to force the horse to accept it, twitch him, tie him, throw him…. In my mind (and in the horse's I'm sure) this is akin to rape and I won't use it.
So to do it with the horse's permission may seem to take a little time, technique and knowledge, but if you do it right you won't have to do it over
I can't believe there are still followers after the "wiggle wiggle THUMP!" mess. I can't believe there were ever followers though.
just in case they go back and edit, here is their defense blog post:
Here is what poster elsbells says she saw:Quote:
Parelli International Events
Royal Festival of The Horse Stoneleigh Park
July 9th - 11th 2010
Your chance to see
Pat and Linda
Live in the UK
Challenging horse lived up to its billing tonight
Posted Fri, 07/09/2010 - 23:33 by elizabethandriot
Our challenging horse lived up to its billing tonight at the Royal Featival of The Horse demo. Catwalk, an extremely Left-Brain stallion showed us his wonderful spirit and demonstrated that his unwillingness to bridle hasn't been created during the 8 weeks that Robert Whitaker has owned him but is clearly due to many years of fear of being bridled due to the lack of a basic foundation training.
We ran 45 minutes over and a couple of folks were upset at what they think they saw, saying they may post on YouTube. We all have nothing to worry about except misunderstanding. Pat stopped at an appropriate time in the training process when he saw a breakthrough and preserved Catwalk's dignity, which is more important than getting the bridle on tonight.
Tomorrow morning we meet again with Robert to continue Catwalk's foundation training to enable him to begin to trust humans.
We'll keep you posted on Catwalk's progress over the next few weeks which will help those that don't understand see the fruits of passive persistence.
Originally Posted by H&H poster elsbells
Somebody send these bozos a copy of Xenophon's "On Equitation."
or at the very least tell them about the old proverb "tell a gelding, show a stallion, and discuss it with a mare."
Guess they were passing out the kool-aid to their loyal followers. How could a rational, thinking person feel that "training" in this way is acceptable?
Parellis are ideal shysters for the equine enthusiasts out there who are lot more enthusiastic, impressionable than they are intelligent and mature.
Seriously not meant as an insult...but Parelli caters to the Noble Steed Speshul Horsie Can't Be Wonderfuller owner that wants the ideal lovey-dovey relationship over a useful, enjoyable riding and handling horse.
And that isn't meant to say that those who can actually ride and handle simple problems (like bridling for heaven's sake!) without some moron with a carrot stick don't adore their horses just as much as the Carrot Stick Buyers do. They're just a hella lot more practical and horseman rather than My Pretty Pony about it.
Of *course* their followers are going to be gushing that nobody understands or sees but their messiahs and themselves. It's brillaint Barnum and Bailey marketing like the Parellis do that ensures their followers behave a lot more like minions. Not capable of having an independent thought of their own and rushing to the defense of the indefensable done by their demi-god.
Sad for some of the horses...at least most aren't even ever ridden though. But do have to say Parelli has it all over PT Barnum when it comes to weeding out the capable and catering to the romantic misguided impressionable fools.
OMFG. The facebook comments...
O.M.G. and W.T.F. This is ten thousand times worse than the wiggle wiggle thunk episode. That poor horse. If nothing else, it seems to me that this display of non-horsemanship will make the British folks shake their heads in disgust and refuse to drink the freakin' 'kookaid' beverage.
I wonder how much $$ Robert Whitaker got for that. Douchebags, all of them.