Great Pony Broodmares: Please honor them here!

[pwynnnorman]

Posted on the yearling thread by mistake, so here we go again!
I would love to hear about the history, traits and progeny of your great mares or mares you've known/heard of.

For example, I don't know much about her, but I think Smallwood Paris' dam, full sib to Cymraeg Rainbeau, would qualify as a great mare, don't you? I'd like to know MORE about her.

[rideagoldenpony]

My GREAT broodmare is still young. She's 6 this year, and we imported her as a yearling. I liked her from the photos I purchased her from, but when she stepped off the trailer, my whole world changed. I've never seen another like her, not before, and not since. Except for her yearling daughter, who is her carbon copy in every way, except color.

*Holyoake Anastasia was purchased for the purpose of breeding to *Wedderlie Mardi Gras. We began showing her as a 2 year old, where she was Supreme Champion at her first show. She just got better from there.

She had a phenomenal 2 year old season in the breed ring, and we brought her back out as a 3 year old both in hand and in performance. She did everything we could think of to do with her. She toted my then 7 year old daughter to win after win after win in leadline, I rode her to many wins in English Pleasure, good ribbons in Western Pleasure (really not her thing, but she tried SO hard), and my husband drove her to many wins and championships in pleasure and carriage driving. My husband also did VERY well on her in the Trail classes, winning the huge class at the American Nationals on her that year.

At her very first show in harness, she had been driven at home a total of SIX TIMES before the show. She went in like an old broke pony and ended up Reserve Champion for the pleasure driving division, and tied for the carriage driving reserve championship.

She is the easiest pony we've ever owned. You just have to show her something and she just picks it right up. Her entire 3 year old season (I'm not big on putting tons of miles/stress on 3 year olds) we RARELY practiced at home. We would warm up in the warm up ring, then go in and she was almost always flawless -- except for the occasional operator error on my part!

I've owned many, many ponies throughout my life. And I'm sure I'll own many more -- but this one is truly one in a million.

She has produced two sensational foals for me. A colt, which I sold as a weanling and was destined to begin his show career this season as a 2 year old, however he suffered a broken leg (a kick from a gigantic cob mare) and was put down a few weeks ago. :( The filly is a yearling, and will live here the rest of her life. We took her to her first show recently, and she is just such an amazing clone of her mother in how she shows, her temperament -- everything.

We brought Annie out again to a combined back to back big gold show last fall -- where she was Champion Mare under all four judges -- and as she was nursing a big foal, she was certainly not in the show condition I would have normally liked her in. It was a HUGE mare division, the biggest I've seen yet on the west coast. It was quite a thrill.

Annie is due with her 3rd Mardi Gras foal in June. I am debating whether or not to breed her back, as I'd really like to take her out and finish her Legion of Merit points, but on the other hand, I've never had foals I liked so much from a mare...... so what to do........

*Holyoake Anastasia is pictured at http://www.welshponies.com/annie.htm

[VirginiaBred]

We had a great, great one, Silver Slippers, by Sylvia's Comet

She was bred to Old Glendale and produced some fabulous ponies:

Sultan's Quest
Slipcover
Slipstitch
Footnote

All of those were full brother/sister

Two were Horse of the Year Champions by the then AHSA.

Slippers won and retired many a broodmare trophy for my mother. :)

[VirginiaBred]

Another one we were fortunate enough to have was Miss Bar Dee (breeding unknown) who was obtained from Ohio after she had been named pleasure champion three times. She was black and white, and began the spotted frenzy my mother still finds herself in.......:lol:

She was bred to *Forge Nimbus and produced:

Otteridge Pow Wow
Otteridge Black Hawk

She was bred to Cymry Creek and produced:

Otteridge Checkmark (now Otteridge Dreamin' of Blue)

All three ponies have gone on to win big (Devon Pony Breeding Grand Champion, Pony Finals Reserve Champion, many AA championships, and still are!

[CK1]

I want Annie, she is a cream puff! What a beautiful and talented mare :)

[VirginiaBred]

Upland Ripple (Pandora)

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/upland+ripple

Bred to Farnley Lustre:

Produced Cymareg Rain Beau

[Daydream Believer]

Not quite a true pony in breed but she is only 14 hands or so in size... but I have a mare that is truly exceptional... Her name is Blue Dancer and three years in a row now...her first three foals...she has produced exceptional foals. All fillies so far and I'm dying to get a colt out of her by my stallion. All of her babies have superb temperaments, lovely expressive movement, excellent correct conformation, and are very spanish in type....literally the epitome of what I am trying to produce. She was very easy to train to ride as well. Perhaps the stallion deserves some credit but she out produces my other mares bred to him hands down...except for one other..her half sister interestingly (same sire). Her half sister is about to foal so we are about to see foal number two from her.

She descends from a foundation mare in our registry named Blue Corn (coming from the sire side) that was an exceptional mare also and produced some of the best producing offspring in our registry.

Dancer is probably going to end up as a foundation mare in my program and possibly in Ireland as well as it is her first filly that was exported last summer there...and the first Colonial Spanish filly in that country. She is bred back to my stallion again for 2008 and I'm praying for a colt the equal of his sisters to one day follow behind his sire.

[Del]

Well, I would have to include our foundation mare, Downland Solitaire* who has had an enormous influence on the pony world and in our own breeding program. She is retired from breeding these days and now aged 26 is still well in health.
All of her sons & daughters have been brilliant show animals and have excelled in performance under saddle at the highest level time & time again.
The temeraments are brilliant for children.
It is now her daughters and grandaughters that are creating their own legacies
and her grandsons have their place as our pony sires.
One of Solitaire's Welsh Sect B grand-daughters also has a place in the USA
and it will be great to see a new dynasty in the years to come there!

[unbridledoaks]

*Llanarth Rhapsody - She is sired by one of my all time favorite stallions (Twyford Signal) and she has produced, to me, some of the best Section B Welsh Ponies. I owned one of her sons, Land's End Royal Fox (Sired by Carolina's Red Fox). Such a wonderful pony. His siblings have done their fair share of winning in both the Welsh and Hunter Rings.

[Windswept Stable]

Glenmore Jasmine

This lovely mare was one of Allison Coluccio's of the old Ashmont Farm- best broodmares. She had some marvelous foals that went on to be very successful in the pony hunter ring. She was by Forge Nimbus out of Glenmore Chanel. She was 13.2.

She was the dam of Always Blue, Summer Dreams and Blue Fox (who now stands at stud at the same farm as his sire--Blue Rain)
and Blue on Blue

[pwynnnorman]

rideagoldpony, I look at tons and tons of websites and ponies on websites, constantly. I haven't looked at yours in many months and I didn't go back and look at it again for this thread either.

But I STILL remember that mare!!! She is, quite simply, unforgettable.

But what about OLD mares, folks! We give the stallions too much of the credit, IMO. VABred, whose that mare on the bottom of Meadowbrook Special Edition's pedigree? Wasn't she quite the producer?

Indeed, didn't Sir Thompson (sp?) turn out to be quite the broodmare sire (of hunters)?

[Windswept Stable]

Pwynn

I have a great broodmare by Meadowbrook Special Edition & the filly that we got this year is stunning. -- pedigree of the mare

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/meadowbrooks+love+me+tender

She is at top of page here--Lovely, just like her dam, Meadowbrooks Won to Love--who is another GREAT broodmare. Her dam is also pictured there.


http://empirespower.com/mares.htm

[pwynnnorman]

Actually, Windswept, I was a bit off base--now that I see the pedigree you posted. I was thinking of Thomirror. (I didn't even know MSE was old enough to have productive daughters--how old is he?)

[thegirlwonder]

My mare, Dance Fever, mother of Blue Moons Like A Charm, Blue Moons Glass Slipper and Blue Moons Ladies Man. She is 29 now and currently retired from the breeding arena, but the three babies she had for us (by Greystone Ian McVei) were and are of the most marvelous temperment and so good at what they do. Waltz (aka Like a Charm) was leased out to families across the country as a packing large pony from the time she was 3 years old. Tiffany (aka Glass Slipper) and Romeo (Ladies Man) are currently stabled at the Crossroads in the New York area doing the large children's ponies. Tiff has a home for life there, I know where Romeo is ready to do more and take on the large pony world.

If anyone out there remembers the only small pony Jack Towell refused to train, that would be my girl (Dance) better known then as Brookesfield's Fancy Feather. She's one in a million and doing better now than ever. Still clocking the small ponies at 29 and I don't think she's looking forward to quitting any time soon.

[Windswept Stable]

Actually, Windswept, I was a bit off base--now that I see the pedigree you posted. I was thinking of Thomirror. (I didn't even know MSE was old enough to have productive daughters--how old is he?)

I am not for sure...but I can find out. I want to say he is around 10???

My mare by him is 6 --and I know she has older full siblings.

[VirginiaBred]

Meadow Brook's Special Edition is 11 this year.

[VirginiaBred]

But what about OLD mares, folks! We give the stallions too much of the credit, IMO. VABred, whose that mare on the bottom of Meadowbrook Special Edition's pedigree? Wasn't she quite the producer?



Her name is Champlain Haberdash, and she isn't quite ledgendary enough (IMO) to put her in with the "great" mares whose information you are seeking.

Here is her pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/champlain+haberdash

Now, an interesting fact is that both Dolly Bostwick and Rosevean Fish Eagle were both imported by Barbaro Camp, (of the original Glenmore Ponies) along with Coed Coch Grey Cloud.

[VirginiaBred]

Farnley Belladonna is another great old broodmare.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/farnley+belladonna

She, after being bred to Farnley Lustre produced (among others):

Farnley Belshazzar, who will be remembered as one of the most famous pony stallions in modern times.

Belladonna produced 18 foals, three of which were outstanding stallions, and several others were top show ponies.

[VirginiaBred]

Farnley Aria would also be considered a great broodmare.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/farnley+aria

After being bred to Farnley Lustre, she produced (among others):

Farnley Prelude, who shall also be remembered as one of the great Farnley stallions.

[VirginiaBred]

Dolrhedyn Rose is another great old broodmare.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dolrhedyn+rose

She, as a Farnley Lustre daughter, went on to produce Dolrhedyn Rambler (fabulous sire) who then sired Benlea Rambler.

[VirginiaBred]

Bonnie Reb definitely belongs in this group.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bonnie+reb

Bonnie Reb was large pony hunter champion at Devon, Washington, and other prominent Eastern shows. Bonnie was by the Thoroughbred stallion, Old Glendale, and out of Gremlin's Delight (who had a perfect over fences score at the 1961 International Pony Teams competition in England) by Farnley Gremlin. Bonnie Reb was a full sister to the famous Dresden and to Share the Wealth.

[finelyfound]

Great topic, I read the beginning of this thread yesterday and was thinking about it this morning while mucking stalls.
I agree with *Llanarth Rhapsody, she has proven herself time and again as a great producer and her offspring are proving to be great producers.
Tammy Burgin of Farmore Farm has a wonderful mare, Pajama Party, who has been a super producer and her progeny are winning on the line and in the ring. Lara Brown knows this mare personally and may be able to chime in.
Tustin's Drumlin has produced a couple of Devon winners and two very nice breeding stallions that I know of.
*GEUFRONUCHAF MISS ROYAL has produced exceptional offspring for Telynau Stud, two of her sons (*Telynau Royal Charter and *Royal Anthem) are producing winning hunter ponies here in the states.
*Eyarth Zsa Zsa is the dam of both *Eyarth Rio (Sire of most of the Telyanu imports) and *Eyarth Beau Geste (sire of *Wedderlie Mardi Gras and other outstanding ponies)
DOLRHEDYN ROSE* is the grand dam of both Alra Blue Radiance and Cloe Olympian. VB- I think she's also in Otteridge Foxtrot's pedigree?
Farnley Dove by Lustre produced 18 foals for Farnely, Hillcrest and Helicon. Many of these foals turned into nice hunter ponies.
Liseter Gladness is the dam of JLA Sir William and other great producers, she is in the pedigree of many many hunter ponies as is Oak Orchard Joy (the dam of many Severn ponies).
Thalia would be a great person to chime in on this thread, she remembers the pedigrees of all the greats.
I'm sure I'll think of a couple of more, unfortunately I couldn't write down any of my thoughts while I was at the barn so I've forgotten half of what I had hoped to say.
Jocelyn

[VirginiaBred]

Shenandoah Opal is one for this group.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/shenandoah+opal

Shenandoah Opal, many times, AHSA pony of the year. Shenandoah Opal is the grand dam of the highest selling pony, $50k, at the 1999 Pony Finals Auction.

[Hi Jump]

I am admiring all your pony mares and just wanted to add, it use to be that you could input a picture on allbreedpedigreequery. If you can still, I implore all mare owners to do so. It is a great resource and mares tend to be forgotten, but they are all important.

Best wishes for successful foalings and breedings!
Synergy Sport Horses
Home to stallions Cotopaxi (Holsteiner) and Raffaello (Hanoverian)
http://www.hunterjumperstallions.com

[VirginiaBred]

[quote=finelyfound] DOLRHEDYN ROSE* is the grand dam of both Alra Blue Radiance and Cloe Olympian. VB- I think she's also in Otteridge Foxtrot's pedigree? [quote]

Yes, she is his grandmother! :)

[VirginiaBred]

Honestly, pwynnn is looking for the proven broodmares, so I'm trying to list only those that produced something spectacular (as in famous stallion dams) or produced multiple pony hunter performance winners.

I'm sure everyone has broodmares that they consider "Great" but that isn't the basis of this thread (I have some that I would put on here, but they don't fall in that category..................yet).

[finelyfound]

Just Remembered another- *Coed Coch Prydyddes
Dam of Glannant Epic sire of many top pony hunters, also dam of Glannant Ballad who sired Glannant Bard.

[pwynnnorman]

You're right, VABred. That's what I had in mind.

Hey, where is Thalia these days. I hear a GREAT article in here somewhere--Paisley or COTH's pony breeding issue?

That said though, there are a lot of great stories here. I mean, really, THIS mare needs to be profiled:

Still clocking the small ponies at 29 and I don't think she's looking forward to quitting any time soon.

What a grand old lady she must be!

[hluing]

There is a German Riding Pony mare in the US that meets the requirments of being a super producing broodmare and she is still producing. This is the States Premium Mare Crown Iowa. Iowa is the dam to two approved stallions: Crown Heartbreaker (imported to US) and Crown High Society. These stallions won or were reserve of thier stallion inspections. Iowa has had three other foals: 2005, 2006 models were named stallion prospects and premium foals. 2006(Weser-Ems) also won his inspection over all the full sized Oldenburg foals. Her latest 2007 colt is just as promising. This mare truly is proving to be a stallion maker!

[goodpony]

Finola of Leam is among the most influential Connemara mares through her sons Coosheen Fin, Leam Bobby Fin, and Abbeyliex Finbar as well as her daughter Fionuala. The family is huge with too many successful individuals to name just one. One that stands out in my mind is Grange Finn Sparrow...in the past listed among top ten leading sires for eventing.

Another top producer is undoubtedly Ardnisillagh Treasure with 16 progeny...an achievement in itself. Treasure is the dam of five stallion sons who have competed at Eventing, Showjumping and Dressage at the Championship level in Europe.

Our foundation Mare *Glenormiston Amelia is proving worth her wieght in gold. She has competed very well for us having qualified in her first show ever for our regional USDF/USEF Championships in Dressage, Sport Horse Breeding (competing against horses). She was Supreeme Champion Connemara (19 entries) under international Judge Simon Bigley. She was also featured in "Animals of the Celtic Lands" at our Celtic Fair :) In 2006 Amelia earned her Premium Model Mare title and was the first Purebred Mare in the US to do so. She was also the top scoring filly at her three year old inspection in Australia.

Her eldest daughter is currently on lease with the chairman of our inspections committee. Her three year old daughter recently passed her breed inspection, and now resides in Canada. Her two year old son is the apple of my eye and we are watching him closely as a second stallion for our farm. Her 2007 filly is definitely worth watching...very exciting things are expected from this one.

[crystalacresponies]

By Al Marah Lord Elope. Crystal was 1986 Medium Pony Hunter Reserve Champion at Devon. When bred to Cymraeg Rainbeau she produced Snow White. Snow White was Green Pony Champion at Pony Finals in 2002. When Crystal was bred to Roberts Rules she produced Grace 'N Favor. Grace is the dam of Carolinas Foxen. Foxen(By Carolinas Red Fox) was Zone 4 Res. Champion Medium and won the model at Pony Finals in 2002. Her other foal, Blu Venture Rainbeau(By Islander) is a consistent AA winner in the mediums. It was a great thrill for me to see Rainbeau win the Medium Pony Res. Champion at Devon last year. It was exactly 20 years after Clear As Crystal won the same

[Sassenach]

To add to the Connies:

Silver Fort - arguably the most influential broodmare still alive. She's the foundation mare for the world-renowned Kingstown Stud and was a prize winner at Clifden. On the same day she was the dam of the Clifden Supreme Champion *Rocky and Champion Foal *Kingstown Joe. Both who were later imported to the US.

Her sons and grandsons and daughters and granddaughters are all prize-winners and fantastic producers with too many accomplishments to name. Her get and descendants have been exported to England, the US and France. A son of hers Oisin stands very close to where we live in Ireland and he is fantastic. Already the sire of several approved sons and very much so a 'stamping' sire. I have him on the short-list for my Great Grey Broodmare Jenny.

Another fantastic recent broodmare is Castle Dame. Her matings with Abbeyleix Owen all produced amazing ponies: Castle Countess and Castle Dame who were Supreme Champions at Clifden 2001 & 2002. Castle Baron who was exported to Australia and is 4 time Supreme Champion there. Castle Comet who was HOTY in England.

And then of course you have Abbeyleix Bluebird who almost single handedly revived the fading Mountain Lad line. Her breeder putting her to the aging Tully Grey - having faith that what he needed was a good mare before he was lost forever the line stallion-less and extinct. She was the dam of Dale Haze who was the sire of Hazy Dawn. Both sired very little in Ireland before being exported to Sweden and Denmark. Though Hazy Dawn did leave behind Moy Hazy Cove (sire of my own *The Quietman).

Those two stallions alone combined with Moy Hazy Cove have produced more stallions than I can count and several Dale Haze and Hazy Dawn sons have been exported back to Ireland including - Laerkens Cascade Dawn, Frederiksminde Hazy Match and F Hazy Marvel and where once the Mountain Lad line was holding on by a thin trickle it is now flourishing.

Abbeyleix Bluebird was then imported to America where she bred only 2 more foals, stallions Bob White - who sired a few ponies before being gelded and Maplehurst Michael MacDaire who is a noted performance pony.

[Windswept Stable]

Her name is Champlain Haberdash, and she isn't quite ledgendary enough (IMO) to put her in with the "great" mares whose information you are seeking.

Here is her pedigree:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/champlain+haberdash

Now, an interesting fact is that both Dolly Bostwick and Rosevean Fish Eagle were both imported by Barbaro Camp, (of the original Glenmore Ponies) along with Coed Coch Grey Cloud.

I would differ with that opinion. Meadowbrook Special Edition has certainly made his mark as a nice sire and will also go down in the books. He has sired line winners and his get are getting it in the performance ring too. Champlain Haberdash certainly deserves some recognition. Anyone know the folks at Champlain Isle? Maybe this mare has had others that we are forgetting?

[Windswept Stable]

Since this broodmare has contributed to current pony breeding, she should be considered here-
THRIANTAS NATHALIE a 1988 Riding Pony from Holland. The mare has lines back to BWLCH and TWYFORD. She is the dam of VERONA'S BO-GI - a highly sought after pony sire in Holland. She is also the dam of
EMERSON - USEF performance pony who was 2006 large green pony reserve champion at pony finals--winning both the model and the hack.

VERONA'S BO-GI is the sire of SUNLIGHT- who was Reserve Champion at pony finals in larges in 2004.

VERONA'S BO-GI is also the sire of my boy Empire's Power who last year (2006)at the age of 7 had the Devon Filly Champion on the pony breeding line- as well as other 2nd and 3rd place winners at the same show.

[VirginiaBred]

I would differ with that opinion. Meadowbrook Special Edition has certainly made his mark as a nice sire and will also go down in the books. He has sired line winners and his get are getting it in the performance ring too. Champlain Haberdash certainly deserves some recognition. Anyone know the folks at Champlain Isle? Maybe this mare has had others that we are forgetting?


No one is doubting Meadow Brook's Special Edition is a nice stallion, but the fact he has made his mark is yet to be determined. His get have won some in hand awards, but his legacy has yet to be determined. It should, however since he is now in the hands of someone who will promote him.

As Pwynnn indicated, this is a thread for Great, Proven Broodmares.
I am waiting for a reply from the McCoys regarding Champlain Haberdash, and will post it here.

[Sugarbrook]

Yes, where is Thalia??????? She would be a world of information on this thread.

[VirginiaBred]

I hope George is doing alright.............
I'll e-mail her. She was having computer issues for a bit.

[Sugarbrook]

VB.......a question on Shenandoah Opal. Its my understanding that she had just one foal (or was it one filly) named Hip Pocket. Am i confused? We just shipped semen from our "Traveller" to Hip Pocket.

[VirginiaBred]

VB.......a question on Shenandoah Opal. Its my understanding that she had just one foal (or was it one filly) named Hip Pocket. Am i confused? We just shipped semen from our "Traveller" to Hip Pocket.

Hip Pocket was born in 1985!!! She had a foal this year. Here is some interestinghistory on her:

The partbred mare, Hippocket, was bred by Marienne Taylor of Virginia. She is by Cymraeg Rain Beau out of the phenomenal hunter pony mare Shenandoah Opal. Hippocket is the only offspring off this very well known amazing hunter pony mare, which made her acquisition so much more prized. Hippocket is still producing foals in her twenties for the stud, some of which have commanded huge prices, such as Lakeview Pocketbook, who commanded the Top sales price of $50,000 as a 4 year old. Hippocket's daughters, Silver Pockets by Rhoson Agano and Brookside Pretty Polly Pockets by Telynau Elgar, are retained by the stud as broodmares.

[Sugarbrook]

Sounds like the information I had. We were thrilled to have this mare, HipPocket, be bred to our stallion.

[Windswept Stable]

Refresh my memory -- what legacy foals did Prelude sire? I know there are lots..but would love a listing of them and what they accomplished. My daughter had the pleasure to ride a few for folks along the way.

[Windswept Stable]

Sugarbook -- Wow! What a great foal that will yield!! Your boy and Hip Pocket! I just saw Hip Pocket a couple weeks ago at Karens. Lovely mare.
Karen has some absolultely BEAUTIFUL babies on the ground!!! She is great at putting winning combinations together!

[VirginiaBred]

Refresh my memory -- what legacy foals did Prelude sire? I know there are lots..but would love a listing of them and what they accomplished. My daughter had the pleasure to ride a few for folks along the way.

Let me call Hetty and get her to go through the list. Too many for me to remember.
Your daughter is lucky. I wish mine had ridden some.

[VirginiaBred]

No one is doubting Meadow Brook's Special Edition is a nice stallion, but the fact he has made his mark is yet to be determined. His get have won some in hand awards, but his legacy has yet to be determined. It should, however since he is now in the hands of someone who will promote him.

As Pwynnn indicated, this is a thread for Great, Proven Broodmares.
I am waiting for a reply from the McCoys regarding Champlain Haberdash, and will post it here.

Just heard from Randy McCoy:

"Champlain Haberdash is out of Showtime, one of the last crop of Virginia bred Glenmore Ponies, and who is still producing wonderful babies for us. She is by our TB stallion Larrys Hat and is half sister to our Devon Grand Champion stallion Tustins Bandoleer. We bred her as a two year old to our stallion Hidden Creeks Rain Fox to produce Special Edition (who should have had a "Champlain" prefix). After she went to Meadow Brook we lost all contact with her until your e-mail, so I dont know anything about what she has done in the meantime. I would love to see photos or know more about her.
Just last fall we found out about another of our babies that was sold to Meadow Brook, (Champlain Lightening), is now called Meadowbrooks Won to Love and is a VPBA champion broodmare (bred and born in Vermont)

In other words, the broodmare Meadowbrooks Won to Love is not a Virginia bred pony, but a Vermont bred whose name was changed.

:confused:

[VirginiaBred]

I do have a call in to Hetty Ables to give me a listing of Prelude's stars.

In reality, unless connected to Farnley, attempting to list any of the Lustre stallion son's get could make one crazy.

Every son was a super star in his own right.

(but that's another thread all together!!!) :) :) :)

[pwynnnorman]

That response from Champlain makes me think we need a "great breeders" thread next! [I always wanted a Larry's Hat baby. Lived on an hour or so south, never got to see him in person. Spent a mint unsuccessfully shipping in semen with him just up the way. One of my biggest regrets.]

[vapnys]

I would like to nominate my good friend's broodmare Findeln Siren. She has had 16 pony foals and her most famous is Pony Dot Com. She THE BEST mom and she just had a beautiful colt by Otteridge Foxtrot. I can't even name a pony broodmare that has had this many babies! And she looks like she is a teenager. When I heard Siren was for sale I made my friend take her trailer. As soon as we got there I had the mare loaded even before she had gotten a price from the owner. I told her it will be a great start to her breeding program and she will thank me later.....SHE IS thanking me now for such a sweet mare.

[VirginiaBred]

I would like to nominate my good friend's broodmare Findeln Siren. She has had 16 pony foals and her most famous is Pony Dot Com. She THE BEST mom and she just had a beautiful colt by Otteridge Foxtrot. I can't even name a pony broodmare that has had this many babies! And she looks like she is a teenager. When I heard Siren was for sale I made my friend take her trailer. As soon as we got there I had the mare loaded even before she had gotten a price from the owner. I told her it will be a great start to her breeding program and she will thank me later.....SHE IS thanking me now for such a sweet mare.


Oh yeah! Good call on Siren. She is a grand mare! :yes:

[VirginiaBred]

Refresh my memory -- what legacy foals did Prelude sire? I know there are lots..but would love a listing of them and what they accomplished. My daughter had the pleasure to ride a few for folks along the way.

Still waiting for Hetty to get back with me, but here is a short list so far:

Farnley Prelude Children:

Where's Waldo (aka Primrose Amazin Raisin)
Picatrix
Farnley Beachcomber
Double Eagle
Farnley Prelate
Shenandoah Etching
Shenandoah Golden Bear
Shenandoah Goodnight
Shenandoah Greenspring
Shenandoah Silkscreen
Shenandoah Watercolor
Windfall Lilac
Windfall Firefly
Loafer's Lodge Ariel
Farnley Warbonnet
Farnley Spinnet
Shenandoah Footlight
Shenandoah Spotlight
ShenandoahTwilight
Primrose Raisin a Ruckus
Farnley Snood
Shenandoah Supernova
Remington Steele (now gelded)
Otteridge Foxtrot

[Windswept Stable]

Still waiting for Hetty to get back with me, but here is a short list so far:

Farnley Prelude Children:

Where's Waldo (aka Primrose Amazin Raisin)
Picatrix
Farnley Beachcomber
Double Eagle
Farnley Prelate
Shenandoah Etching
Shenandoah Golden Bear
Shenandoah Goodnight
Shenandoah Greenspring
Shenandoah Silkscreen
Shenandoah Watercolor
Windfall Lilac
Windfall Firefly
Loafer's Lodge Ariel
Farnley Warbonnet
Farnley Spinnet
Shenandoah Footlight
Shenandoah Spotlight
ShenandoahTwilight
Primrose Raisin a Ruckus
Farnley Snood
Shenandoah Supernova
Remington Steele (now gelded)
Otteridge Foxtrot


What A circuit legendary awards have they won? Most of these must have been before my time at the rings-- I only recognize the last 2 names on list and Greenspring.OF course, names change sometimes too. I know Remmington Steele is now showing in SWVHJA under a new name -- I know because I nearly bought him in December, not because he was incredibly fancy, but because he was fancy enough-- and moreso because he had a good mind.
Now Foxy on the otherhand-- is in the very fancy category!! I am sure he would come into some legendary awards in the performance ring. As he will come into them in the stallion awards soon as well!

[stoneypony]

Helikon Halo (Farnley Sparkler x Ballad's Angel x Glannant Ballad)

I'm getting this in for Thalia, who bred her. The old girl is 26 this year, had a lovely filly for us last summer, but did not take this year. She is the dam of Hillcrest Dancing Bear, Hillcrest Silver Lining, Hillcrest Hightops, Hillcrest Mardi Gras and Little Cloud (all by Gayfield's Vida Blue), Helicon Headliner, a previous pony finals ribbon winner, now doing the short stirrup with his umpteenth little rider (He also was my first "Real" pony hunter in the early 90's and took me to Devon and Indoors), and I am pretty darn sure she's the dam of Blackberry (Hillcrest Sugar Plum by Hillcrest Snow Fox, I think... became Sugar on Top became Blackberry) She's had 5 foals for us in the last 7 years....all fabulous movers, great jumpers and the best lead changers around. She was a tough cookie in her younger days, from what I'm told, but I think thats what's kept her going for so long....She's had at least 15 foals, come back from a fractured jaw (wired back together at age 21!) still trots around amazingly, and beats up the horse broodmares for her dinner. We stand her son Hillcrest Top Hat (also by Vida Blue) and are getting some very nice crosses on horse mares...aiming for the large ponies! They all have grandma Halo's canter and balance! Can you tell I love the old girl????

[pwynnnorman]

She sounds like a classic all right, stoneypony.

Hey, y'know what all these grand ol' dams has made me think? VPBA (or some other group) needs to have a Hall of Fame with a category for broodmares. Is there anything like that out there for ponies?

Y'know, y'know...that's be a great way to promote them, too. Someone once said told me about this saying, "Blood that's blue, always breeds true." These old welsh mares are great examples of that. WPSCA has the LOM, right? Is that for mares and stallions, or just the latter.

Anyway, I think a Hall of Fame (words which make a lot more sense than Legion of Merit to the ordinary person) is needed in the pony hunters. Who of you gals out there have some dough sitting around to sponsor it now? Get the names of the greats out there and bolster the programs that are based on them?

[VirginiaBred]

She sounds like a classic all right, stoneypony.

Hey, y'know what all these grand ol' dams has made me think? VPBA (or some other group) needs to have a Hall of Fame with a category for broodmares. Do they have anything like that?

No, and probably because there have been quite a few outstanding ones in like years.
Off to Devon! :)

[Trevelyan]

I have to give a couple of my girls a mention...

Zauberelle who came to us after a career in dressage where she competed to Grand Prix and I undestand was the musical freestyle queen under rider and then owner Heather Mason. Zauberelle managed to reach the top in dressage and stoped on the way to have two foals. She has since had five foals with us; Wicked Z, Waverly, Winslette, Fleurie, Zenith and has another one on the way for 2008. I would say that is a pretty productive life.

Hoppenhof's Silvia a New Forest Pony mare who we imported as a weaning from Holland. She has had four foals so far and all have gone Premium with the ISR/Oldenburg Registry earning her a star in their awards program. Last year's filly Fedora score 8.6 and (I believe was the second highest score in the country). In 2004 Forrest Nymph scored 8.7, Foster 8.0 and Webster 8.4 and will be presented for the stallion approvals this summer.

Gotta love those mares...

[BeastieSlave]

Okay, I have to mention my Farnley mare's mom. Farnley Lorgnette http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/farnley+lorgnette was one producing pony!! Check out the 24 babies listed under 'progeny' :eek: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?h=farnley+lorgnette&g=5&query_type=progeny&search_bar=progeny&done=y&inbred=Standard&x2=n&username=&password=&x=0&y=0

[stoneypony]

Another mare line I loved...at Marilyn Checki's Hillcrest Acres, Geneva's Winner had Hillcrest Blue Winsome (by Vida Blue) also the broodmare Copper Snow (by Meadowlawn Squire). Copper Snow is the dam of all of the Hillcrest "Snow" Babies, including Snow Shoes, Snow Prince, Snow Dancer (dam of Mapleside magic Dancer and Beau Rivage) Kar-a-Mel (dam of Hillcrest Leading Lady and Sapphire), and Farnley Gayfield (Hillcrest Executive). Copper Snow is also the dam of Hillcrest Snow Treasure (by Downland Drummer Boy) who in turn produced Hillcrest Blue Gemstone, Hillcrest Blue Sapphire, Hillcrest Treasure Chest (all by Vida Blue), Mr. McGregor, and many others. There are some very good stallions in these equations, but it amazes me how these good mares produce such good performace babies, as well as future good broodmares.

[Tarheel Eventer]

I'm no pony breeder, but I've always admired the mare Broadaxe Chablis. Would she count as a great pony broodmare? She was mother to Blue Nun, Triple Hill, Beajolais, Autumn Hill (aka Steel City Blues) and others. According to Heatherlea's website, Blue Nun was the 2001-2003 MHSA Pony Broodmare Champion; Beajolais was the 1996 Chronicle Pony of the Year and 2x Devon model winner; Autumn Hill was the 1993 Grand Champion Crossbred Pony at Devon; and Triple Hill himself won a lot on the line and has sired some talented ponies. (I was just admiring a fellow COTHer's Derby Hill over in the H/J forum, which got me thinking about Broadaxe Chablis.) I don't know what all the criteria for "great pony broodmare" are, but I've stopped to admire her picture on Heatherlea's site more than a couple times.

Edited to add: a quick google search yielded me another find...Chablis is listed as the dam of Jo'Ann D'Arc who was the dam of Tippy Hedron, All About Me, Land's End Huckleberry, Land's End Lingonberry, etc. What a blue hen Chablis proved to be.

[VirginiaBred]

What A circuit legendary awards have they won? Most of these must have been before my time at the rings-- I only recognize the last 2 names on list and Greenspring.

Now Foxy on the otherhand-- is in the very fancy category!! I am sure he would come into some legendary awards in the performance ring. As he will come into them in the stallion awards soon as well!

You definitely need to do lots of pedigree studying. All of the listed ponies are legacy. Per the many, many folks that came up to me at Devon the past several days, they were bombarding me with Farnley pony stories and information. Farnley was the leader for so many years in breeding the performance and in hand ponies. All of the ponies I listed are legacy due to their pedigree alone. The old Farnley bloodlines guarenteed performance, but unless you knew the pedigrees, you wouldn't know that.

Legacy means to hand down. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legacy

If you were a Lustre son or daughter, you inheirated those shoes to wear. And just as an aside on that, Farnley bloodlines were in virtually every pony that was winning. The proof is in the pudding. From those bloodlines came the crossing with other sires to create other winning combinations, but more often than not, you'll find Farnley. :)

And no need to single out Otteridge Foxtrot specifically. He was bred out the wazoo on pedigree, (triple Lustre as well as Dolrhedyn Rambler: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/otteridge+foxtrot) and performance every way you look at it.
Don't just take my word for it, ask any of my fellow horsepeople. "Pedigree Breeds Performance" to quote Denny Emerson.

[Windswept Stable]

You definitely need to do lots of pedigree studying. All of the listed ponies are legacy. Per the many, many folks that came up to me at Devon the past several days, they were bombarding me with Farnley pony stories and information. Farnley was the leader for so many years in breeding the performance and in hand ponies. All of the ponies I listed are legacy due to their pedigree alone. The old Farnley bloodlines guarenteed performance, but unless you knew the pedigrees, you wouldn't know that.

Legacy means to hand down. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legacy

If you were a Lustre son or daughter, you inheirated those shoes to wear. And just as an aside on that, Farnley bloodlines was in virtually every pony that was winning. The proof is in the pudding. From those bloodlines came the crossing with other sires to create other winning combinations, but more often than not, you'll find Farnley. :)

And no need to single out Otteridge Foxtrot specifically. He was bred out the wazoo on pedigree, (triple Lustre as well as Dolrhedyn Rambler:http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/otteridge+foxtrot) and performance every way you look at it.
Don't just take my word for it, as any of my fellow horsepeople. "Pedigree Breeds Performance" to quote Denny Emerson.

Ummmm...was there need to be rude? I was just asking to learn ---which is what I thought we came here to do? If they are true legacy-- they have some ribbons to back it up. What did they do???? Just because they have a pedigree does not mean they are a LEGEND. Sorry but no.
I did not come here to say anything negative about Farnley. I totally agree that the Farnley ponies are wonderful. I LOVE them and I appreciate what they have and ARE still today doing for ponies in our country. For you to indicate that I feel differently is just wrong. You are singing the LEGENDARY status of a whole list of ponies but you do not have a performance history to back it up--which is what I asked to LEARN. So do not slap me in the face because I come here to learn. Show me the ribbons. A pedigree is great...but back it up with the performance history.
And I do happen to know a couple of the ponies on your list and I will NOT single them out but are they nice ponies?? yes... Are they legends.. absolutely NOT. Have they done anything in the show ring--NO. I thought this list here was to honor legendary ponies of great broodmares.

And while pedigree generally breeds performance---it is NOT always the case. Pretty is as pretty does and there are enough top world beater performance ponies out there with UNKNOWN breeding to back it up. You yourself said last week that one of your mother's own best broodmares --the painted one-- was UNKNOWN breeding. So --what's up with the attitude? Lighten up and be nice. Being nice to other COTH'ers would certainly be better than bashing and putting down.

[VirginiaBred]

Not at all intending to be rude.
Not at all. That's not my stye.

Just posting for education. :)

Encouraging any and all to learn the history of pedigrees is what I always preach. Just do a search/research and you'll see that.

[Fenway]

I'm at work, but here's what I know offhand.
Where's Waldo (it's been a while, these years may be off by a year or two) --1997 VHSA Reserve Champion Small/Med Green Pony
1998 VHSA Reserve Champion Small Pony
Windfall Lilac --2003 MPB Champion Section B foal
Windfall Firefly --2004 MBP Champion Section B foal
Shenandoah Spotlight--on of the top Small Greens in Zone 3 (2005?)
Farnley Prelate--High seller at the last Farnley auction
Shenandoah Golden Bear and Supernova are standing at stud.--same pony?

[Fenway]

Shenandoah Silkscreen is the dam of Silk Hat (who was a Welsh Section B nat'l champion)

[Fenway]

Picatrix--2004 PHSA Best PA bred pony. Ribbons at Devon, Upperville, Warrenton, etc. and Zone 2 2nd place 3 year old pony in 2005. Now is doing Children's Pony

I hope some of this helps some...now maybe back to broodmares?

[Tarheel Eventer]

Well, what of Broadaxe Chablis (see: about 7 posts back)? I admitted up front I'm no pony breeding expert, but I am curious what you all think about her. Does she make the grade as great or not? Is it too early to tell?

[VirginiaBred]

Well, what of Broadaxe Chablis (see: about 7 posts back)? I admitted up front I'm no pony breeding expert, but I am curious what you all think about her. Does she make the grade as great or not? Is it too early to tell?

I think she is a great choice for this thread! :)

Here is some information on Chablis~

Broadaxe Chablis has a history that speaks for itself. Chablis qualified for indoors every time she was campaigned. She was ridden by Susie Slacum, who was one of the best on a pony. As a broodmare, she won 23 consecutive breeding classes and many Championships including Breeding Champion at Devon. Very seldom a broodmare defeats the younger ponies. She had 8 foals. Three of them were Devon Champions, two being Champion back to back!

[Windswept Stable]

Not at all intending to be rude.
Not at all. That's not my stye.

Just posting for education. :)

Encouraging any and all to learn the history of pedigrees is what I always preach. Just do a search/research and you'll see that.

Thank you then for the education. Sorry to have mis-understood the tone of the post. I do look to you for help with educating myself with the pony breeding pedigrees which is why I asked. Thanks.

Thank you Fenway. I knew those ribbons were there!! I just did not know what they were. Searches can be hard as names change along the way.

And yes-- back to the broodmares.

[rideagoldenpony]

Though not hunter pony related, I think that the Section B Welsh mare Weston Twiggy and her daughters, Eyarth Zsa Zsa and Arabella (full sisters) are worth mentioning as two of the greatest of all time.

Twiggy was one of the foundation mares for the Eyarth Stud in Wales. I have heard her called a cremello, but as she produced two colts that were buckskin from a chestnut stallion, I think it is a safe assumption that she was actually a perlino.

I don't believe that Twiggy herself was ever shown, but her offspring certainly have made up for it, and have gone on to be tremendous producers themselves. She was the dam of 16 foals and of the stallions Troy (stud stallion for the Cadlan Valley Stud on the coast of Wales) and Tacoma (Tacoma was her last foal) and Harlequin, (deceased) who first made a big mark in the UK, before he was exported to the Netherlands. He sired many winners in his time. I have seen both Troy and Tacoma in person, and they are truly outstanding individuals. Neither have been campaigned a great deal, but both have championships to their credit, and more importantly are producing exceptional foals.

Twiggy's most remarkable offspring, in my opinion, were her daughters, who included Eyarth Arabella, Zsa Zsa, Twiglet, Rebecca, Isabella, Gigi and Athene. Most of which have notable UK show records. Arabella, Isabella, Zsa Zsa and Gigi are all full sisters by Eyarth Celebration.

Arabella is the dam of noted UK champions Sama, Tayma, Syena, Antonia and more. Sama was exported to Australia, where he is producing many champions for the Weston Park Stud. His offspring are truly outstanding (I'd LOVE to bring something over from him). Tayma is one of the stud stallions for the Hilin Stud in Wales, where he is retired from the show ring after winning many championships. His sons and daughters are proving themselves to be quite competitive in the show rings of the UK also. Arabella's most notable progeny is the mare Eyarth Windflower, SIX time winner at the Royal Welsh (the largest Welsh Pony show in the world -- there are often upwards of a thousand Welsh of all Sections entered), winning Royal Welsh Supreme Champion in 2002, and Mountain & Moorland champion at the Royal of England Show in 2003 as well as several other very prestigious championships too numerous to list here.

Zsa Zsa is the mare that I hold all other mares up to in comparison. She is a dynasty maker, IMO. Herself a Royal Welsh prizewinner, she has been a most incredible producer. She is the dam of Eyarth Tomahawk (UK champion and champion producer), Eyarth Rio (Royal Welsh Champion, top of the UK sire ratings 3 times, producer of Royal Welsh Champions, sire of *Telynau Royal Charter, Royal Anthem, Elgar, Diadem, Gala etc.), Eyarth Beau Geste (Royal Welsh Champion, producer of many Royal Welsh Champions, including *Wedderlie Mardi Gras, Mynach Oceana, Mynach Oriana, Mynach Miss Prim -- Reserve Supreme Royal Welsh Champion in 2006 and more). She is also the dam of stallions Eyarth Thowra and Mowgli, who both stand at small studs in Scotland, where they are quietly making their mark on the breed and producing champions.

There are quite a number of other offspring of both Zsa Zsa and her dam, however, these are the ones I am most familiar with and can comment on. IMO, her offspring exemplify perfection in Welsh type and movement. I have not seen many others that compare. As I believe so strongly in these bloodlines, they are WELL represented within my breeding stock. We have 7 imported mares that go back to Zsa Zsa through Eyarth Rio or Beau Geste, and 9 home bred fillies (not all of which will be retained, but most of them will). This blood is also represented in both of our imported stallions, and in a colt which we are considering keeping as a future herd sire.

[pwynnnorman]

"Pedigree Breeds Performance"...in subjectively judged sports especially (but, no, not "exclusively").

Which is why I find GREAT value in learning about these (mainly) hunter pony broodmares.

BUT I also like to remind folks at every opportunity that subjectivity in judging is basically how "great" got defined. It was good to hear of one sportpony broodmare, but, even there, alas, her "evidence" was subjective, too.

Anyway, here's a bit to ponder when it comes to PBP theory in hunters:
Given that hunters are a type, not a breed, how come there's never been a "great" pinto, palomino or Appaloosa pony hunter sire or broodmare? Kinda shoots holes in the PBP theory, if you take it literally. Fact is, if it isn't a level playing field, some pedigrees don't stand a chance. Nevertheless, if you're in business, you really have no choice but to learn about and respect the most respected and talked about pedigrees!

Y'know, I wish some old hunter judge would write a book. I'd love to hear about the evolution of the sport from someone who can really talk the talk of performance, training and style. ("Evolution" is on my mind because of a thread on the eventers BB which is questioning where the sport is going. HERE, I think it is wise to remember where the sport came from--what it is now and how it became that way. Gosh, that'd be a fascinating discussion, too!)

[danosaur]

She was bred to *Forge Nimbus and produced:

Otteridge Pow Wow
Otteridge Black Hawk



pow wow is a GREAT pony. he was at my barn a while back. did you breed him? if so, major props for that accomplishment. :D

[tntpony]

I agree that pedigree is the place to start. But...performance and the remarkable ability to tote a kid around a course of fences in a athletic and safe manner is what we are all (hopefully) breeding for in the pony hunter world and can not be overlooked IMHO!!! I have seen all too often "fruit loop" ponies crawling all over adults, hot as tamales, and in no way shape or form what I would want to see bred.....to ANYTHING!!! I sat today at a local show here in Virginia and watched all the kids warming up, Super fancy ponies, common ponies and absolute nut cases. There is something to be said for that good citizen that does its' job and takes care of its' fragile kid cargo (all air between saddle and seat over an 18" jump, reigns on the buckle and still jumping whatever the kid points the pony to, ponies that see the "spot" regardless of being pulled in the mouth, you name it, it was all there). Well known ponies as well as those common looking fellows.
Anyway, I guess my point is that the best pedigreed ponies will always have homes, (as long as they are sane and can get the job done). But there is tremedous value in that sweet, less than perfect looking , saint of a pony. Pedigree, sanity, and performance is what I look for in my ponies, and what I am trying to breed, but I think about those precious ponies today, and nothing but sanity and kid safe come to mind (anything else...looks, pedigree, etc...is pure luxury in my book!)

[VirginiaBred]

pow wow is a GREAT pony. he was at my barn a while back. did you breed him? if so, major props for that accomplishment. :D

Yes, he is ours. My mother is the proud breeder. Thank you! :) :)