Need advice on horse neglect (I rode him today(p16)

[bird4416]

My across the street neighbor has a dog boarding and grooming business. They have two horses that live in their front yard with acccess to an old barn to get out of the weather. Last winter, one of the horses got pretty skinny. You could see prominent hip bones and ribs. The other horse stayed in good flesh. Over the summer the skinny horse put on weight and got a nice shiny coat and looked pretty good.

Yesterday, I noticed the one horse has lost a bunch of weight again and looks as bad now as he did at the end of the winter last year. I'm afraid he will have a hard time this winter if he has already lost this much weight this early. The other horse again, looks just fine. Obviously, the one horse must be older or have some other problem that causes him to lose weight while the other horse maintains his weight.

How to I approach this problem? Should I call animal control or an equine rescue? Should I approach them myself? I don't want to alienate my neighbors but something needs to be done for this horse. As I said earlier, the horses live in the front yard on a road that gets a good bit of traffic so I know other people have seen this also.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[CHorseFarm]

Hey Bird (seahorse here),
I can ask Cheryl how she handles things like this - and if "someone" needs to report these heese to AC, I'll happily do it - I'll even actually ride by there so it will be legit from me ;) Will email Cheryl now and get back to ya.

[LearnToFly]

I think if it was a real case of neglect, BOTH horses would be losing weight.
However, you may have good reason to worry, so I would go have a civil conversation with your neighbor and see if he or she offers some reasonable explanation for the horses weight loss. If things sound sketchy or they don't realize what you are talking about, I would call the humane association and get them to investigate.

[CHorseFarm]

BTW, have you ever met / spoken to these neighbors? If not, you could always pull the old "just coming to introduce myself...am horse person, too, etc" and then inquire about the heese? That may a way not to be accusatory, yet get the info on if horse is sick, whatever? (Still waiting to hear from Cheryl.)
BTW, I remember your thread last year (?) about the lonely goat next door...how's he doin'?

[millwrightmomma]

If they have hay and water the spca won't likely do too much.
But, If it were me, I'd go over and introduce myself, maybe take dome carrots for the horses and christmas cookies for the owner.
Ask to feed the horses, and question the owner about the skinny one.
Some peole do not know that horses need their teeth checked and filed, and it may be that easy.
I'd be going soon.
My $.02

[CHorseFarm]

millwrightmomma, don't worry - Bird4416 is the type of person who will get to the bottom of this pronto - she's not the type to just sit around and watch them go downhill. The carrots/cookies idea is good - "Oh, just stopping by to spread some holiday cheer"...

[bird4416]

The cookie idea sounds like a good one. I guess I'll have to bake something edible.:lol:

[CHorseFarm]

LOL!:lol:

[nightsong]

I guess I'll have to bake something edible.:lol:

that's harder for some people than for others...

[goeslikestink]

but watch you dont get cuaght in something like having the care of neds or they might be nasty just watch out for yourself i go over with another --

[EqTrainer]

I think if it was a real case of neglect, BOTH horses would be losing weight.



Not necessarily. I bought a horse from a woman once who had two - she "fed" them both by throwing out a flake of hay and pouring some grain in a bucket. The dominant horse was fat. The one I bought was a body score of 2.

[drifter05]

EqTrainer has a good point. In the summer, the skinny horse can graze but now it relies on hay. And if the owner isn't putting out 2 or 3 piles of hay, it might be getting chased away from it. Or, it may just not thrive well in the winter on hay....need teeth done or whatever. I hope you are able to somehow make life better for this horse.

[CHorseFarm]

Bird4416: Just heard back from Cheryl and her advice is the "go on a neighborly visit" and get the story - since it doesn't seem as though it would be a confrontational type of thing. She also offered help if the situation was indeed dire. And get this: With all of the heese that she is supporting at the rescue, she even offered to give those heese feed if needed. Man, that woman has the biggest heart of anyone I know!

[nightsong]

I bet it's a teeth or age problem. I would try to get someone in authority involved, given the payback an AWFUL LOT of neighbors seem to think is necessary.

[saje]

It's probably either:

1- dominant horse grabbing most of the food

2-Older horse w/ poor teeth

3- Older horse who's having a hard time staying warm


Or any combination of those. When you go over, you might suggest a blanket so the skinny horse can put more of it's feed into weight gain/maintenance rather than staying warm.

I have a 27 yo TB who looks like a boneyard. He gets an immense amount of food, including senior feed, beet pulp, alfalfa pellets, probios, free choice hay, and he's blanketed if the weather is wet and/or 40 deg or less. He's had bloodwork done, teeth done, wormings done, you name it we've done it. He looks ok in the summer, but he's just old and can't maintain fat stores. He's happy, he just looks like hell. All my other horses are nice and round, and it makes me think that your neighbor may have something similar going on.

Good luck meeting the neighbors!

[minnie]

"have a 27 yo TB who looks like a boneyard. He gets an immense amount of food, including senior feed, beet pulp, alfalfa pellets, probios, free choice hay, and he's blanketed if the weather is wet and/or 40 deg or less. He's had bloodwork done, teeth done, wormings done, you name it we've done it. He looks ok in the summer, but he's just old and can't maintain fat stores. He's happy, he just looks like hell. All my other horses are nice and round, and it makes me think that your neighbor may have something similar going on"

Ditto - only the 'ole girl' is only 14, but does have very advanced arthritis in her stifles. Not sure if I keep the blanket on to keep her warm or to keep the neighbors from seeing all her ribs! LOL She's totally worthless and costs me a bloody fortune (to the above add flax seed, vitamins, joint compounds and msm) but she's got fire in her soul and I love her to death, even if she costs me as much to feed as 4 other horses.

[ptownevt]

I had just this situation with a neighbor of mine. I didn't call the authorities but started feeding the horse myself. They were greatful they didn't have to worry about getting home on time to feed???? Anyway, the thin mare died about 5 months after I started feeding her. The temperature dropped close to 50 degrees in one day. She coliced and died. Since then the other mare has gotten very thin and sick. I called the authorities and stayed on them (the authorities). This mare is being taken care of now. I wish I had called for help on the other but I doubt the outcome would have been any different.
Pam

[SuperSTB]

We had a neighbor with 2 horses- I actually gave them the younger horse. The older horse (mid to late 20's) always dropped weight in the winter although we kept an eye on him and on occasion 'supplemented' his feed with throwing hay over the fence. The owners are good people but limited in horse care experience (in which I mean unable to handle a moderate to difficult health issue...) Anyhow the older horse started to decline again and wasn't recovering- his weight loss was too extreme for my tastes so I called around to find someone who might be interested in taking him *if* I could convince owners to give him up. Found a nice family who does occasional rescues. I then had the hard part of convincing owners. They felt really really bad about his condition but just could not handle the situation so they gave him up. We moved horse and he got the extensive vet exam needed... cancer.

I guess point is- some people mean well but are limited in capacity and if you can work with them and they are receptive to the help you could make a good difference for the horse's sake.

[VivaBaby]

"have a 27 yo TB who looks like a boneyard. He gets an immense amount of food, including senior feed, beet pulp, alfalfa pellets, probios, free choice hay, and he's blanketed if the weather is wet and/or 40 deg or less. He's had bloodwork done, teeth done, wormings done, you name it we've done it. He looks ok in the summer, but he's just old and can't maintain fat stores. He's happy, he just looks like hell. All my other horses are nice and round, and it makes me think that your neighbor may have something similar going on"

Ditto - only the 'ole girl' is only 14, but does have very advanced arthritis in her stifles. Not sure if I keep the blanket on to keep her warm or to keep the neighbors from seeing all her ribs! LOL She's totally worthless and costs me a bloody fortune (to the above add flax seed, vitamins, joint compounds and msm) but she's got fire in her soul and I love her to death, even if she costs me as much to feed as 4 other horses.

Me three. My 23 year old, who I just bought in Sept, ended up with four stitches in her face three weeks ago. She must have given herself one heck of a headache as she barely ate for a week afterward. She's feeling better now and is eating her full ration of feed with rice bran added and 24/7 access to very good hay. She's been in a blanket since it started getting down to 40 degrees at night regularly because she started shivering and dropping a little weight. If anyone saw her without her blanket, they'd start asking questions too. :( Her injury was a lesson to me that there can be a good reason for a horse to be having a tough time...no matter how well cared for they are.

That being said...I would not be offended if someone cared enough to ask politely what was going on with my mare.

[Valentina_32926]

When you go talk to them take the phone number of a good equine dentist and explain to them about regular "vets" missing some of the issues a dentist would not.

Also - take a typed list of what horses issues could be and solutions for those issues - then be sure to leave it with them. Include you first name and a phone number in case they want to call for advice.

Act friendly and maybe it'll work out - it's worth the effort.

[CHorseFarm]

I hatched a coy plan - it's also a dog grooming & boarding place - I may just happen by to inquire for my smelly dog and then causally work into the heese - owner won't know me from Adam (or that I know Bird4416, for that matter...in case neighbor gets offended-better safe than sorry!) Of course, I'll be in my barn clothes on my way to the barn (legit;0).

[bird4416]

I'm anxiously awaiting a report from Chorse. After I get her info and opinion we can decide what to do next. I just hate driving by this place every day and seeing this horse looking so bad.

[philosoraptor]

One thing you may not have considered is the age of the horse. I am not making excuses for people who let their horses starve, but really old horses do sometimes drop weight in the winter. Considering this is only happening in winter and only happening to one horse, I'd suspect that first.

Why not go over and just make friends with them? It won't make them defensive if you just ask the age of the horses. And if the horses are both under 10, then you can be concerned. :)

And since the horses are right along the road, you can look to see if hay is being put out and how often.

If you can't get your questions answered, then you can contact AC and ask them to investigate. But you're better off meeting your neighbors & learning more first.

[bird4416]

Well, Chorse stopped by and gave me a report on her findings. The horse is in bad shape. She is going to talk to her friend at the horse rescue and they will make sure he gets what he needs. I'm sure she will post a report when she gets home. I'm just thankful that she is basically taking over the case as I really don't want upset neighbors. Apparently there is a divorce going on and noone really cares anything about the horses. Since this is a dog boarding business, I'm now concerned if they are taking proper care of the dogs. They are out of site in a building.

[CHorseFarm]

Quick update; Yup - horse is in deplorable condition - caretaker said he grains 2 x day (look slike dog kibble he said) and waters, but he didn't even know what hay WAS! Thank goodness this boy has Bird4416 to notice him - and I'm getting on the horn to Cheryl at the rescue to see what our next move is. Poor boy has a body score of 2 - AT BEST! Never fear - help will be expedient.
RE: Bird wondering how the inside of the kennels were - seemed clean to me, but then again, all dogs were behind the frosted glass in shower-like "stalls" - didn't get into the k-9's as it was all I could do to focus on the horse. His pasture mate seems in good shape, but this poor guy is not going to last long without help...but help is on the way!
Thank you Bird, for being such a consciencious (sp) neighbor!
Will update later after talk to Cheryl.

[CHorseFarm]

Well, we sicced the Dept of Ag and the County Animal Control on 'em this morning. Hopefully both will visit this poor guy today or tomorrow. At first AC gave the old "if he has food, water & shelter" spiel, but I strongly reiterated that this guy wouldn't make it much longer, and they changed their minds and will send out an investigator. Oh, and I did it using my real name, LOL, no anonymously - figured it had more teeth that way. Overkill, maybe, by calling both, but he needs whatever help he can get. Will update when he's been seen - they're going to call me so I can meet them (AC) and I think the Ag Dept is already scheduling the visit - they've called for better directions already! Please jingle for him!

[bird4416]

Thankfully, CHorse got the ball rolling and one inspector has been out already. Hopefully this horse will get the care he needs very soon. I'm sure she will add to this update soon.

[VivaBaby]

Kudos!! Glad you were able to get him the help he needed!

[nightsong]

Good. See, you CAN call the authorities!!!

[Kate66]

I was wondering if the horse had been removed?

[Coup De Des]

wondering also..

[bird4416]

The horse is still there. The place is located close to county lines and the wrong county was sent out to investigate. The investigator was appalled by the condition of the horse and said she would call the state Dept. of Ag. That is all that has happened so far. I don't know if the Dept. of Ag has been out yet. I'm keeping a close eye on the horse as I drive by it everyday. CHorse was going to talk to her vet last night but I haven't heard from her as to how that went. We thought if a vet saw the horse and also called the Dept. of Ag it would help get someone out there sooner. I will update as soon as I know more.

[Kate66]

Thanks for the update, I am hoping for a happy ending.

[JCS]

Bird, maybe this is a bad idea, but would it be hard to secretly throw some hay over the fence? My uncle's neighbors had a dog tied to a tree in their backyard for years--literally years--and didn't feed it. He fed it. I don't know how they thought it was surviving. When he finally moved out of state, I think he called animal control.

Anyway, not a solution to the problem obviously, but at least horse would have some food in his tummy until a more permanent answer is found.

[equineelders]

At first AC gave the old "if he has food, water & shelter" spiel, but I strongly reiterated that this guy wouldn't make it much longer, and they changed their minds and will send out an investigator.

Don't let AC get away with the "he's thin because he's old" line, either (if he indeed is an older horse.) That shouldn't be the case unless there is an underlying health issue. (Age is not an illness) You may also suggest soaking the "kibble" for this guy so he has an easier time eating it.

[bird4416]

Bird, maybe this is a bad idea, but would it be hard to secretly throw some hay over the fence? My uncle's neighbors had a dog tied to a tree in their backyard for years--literally years--and didn't feed it. He fed it. I don't know how they thought it was surviving. When he finally moved out of state, I think he called animal control


I really would like to do this but I'm afraid if I do the animal control people will see hay and think he is getting it on a regular basis. If nothing is done soon I will throw him some hay. I don't know how old he is but there is no reason for him to look so awful.

[CHorseFarm]

From the info I [I]can [I] get so far, I believe the DOA did go out. This info is from an employee at the property on the QT. The DOA will not tell me if they've been, or what they think. This doesn't seem right to me - I gave full disclosure when reporting the horse...shouldn't they give me an update? I am quite frustrated, but have to believe they will do what is right - and soon. Need to ask Cheryl if this is the "normal" procedure. The good thing is that Bird4416 can keep an eye on the horse. And about dropping the hay in "accidentally falling out of one of our trucks" - heh heh heh, we'd both love to, but I think Bird's point about the state coming back and seeing hay and assuming the owner was feeding it could be detremental. HOWEVER, if this isn't resolved PDQ, hay will be a-fallin'. I just wish I knew the details - has the vet been out yet? what's wrong with the horse? how will it be handled? and when? ARRRGH!
More later. Hopefully good news!

[bird4416]

This appears to be harder than I thought. I can't seem to get anyone to do anything. I guess I'm going to have to go ask these people if they will give up the horse. Hopefully, they will say yes and I can take him to a place that knows how to rehab him. If they say no, I have no idea how to procede. Has anyone else dealt with this kind of situation. This horse is clearly a 2 if not lower on the body condition scale. You can see all his ribs prominently and his hip bones are sticking out like tent poles. Its awful. The other horse is not in very good condition either. You can see his ribs but his hip bones aren't protruding yet. It makes me sick everytime I ride by this place and I go past it about 2-4 times per day.

[King's Ransom]

Please throw some hay and worry about what the authorities will do later. This is making me sick. And I worry if I am a little late feeding my boys in the morning ... I just can't imagine them going hungry hungry hungry like that. PLEASE throw some hay now!

[bird4416]

I know nothing about rehabbing a starving horse. Please reassure me that I won't do any harm if I throw them hay. I have timothy and an alfalfa/timothy mix. I was reading up on rehabbing starving horses last night and they can go into heart and kidney failure if they get too much food too quickly. That's why I would really like to take this horse to a rescue that knows how to treat this kind of horse.

[King's Ransom]

You are probably right to be concerned. Why don't you call a rescue and ask if it would be okay to throw a few flakes over the fence? I bet you could call Lori at Sunkissed Acres -- or send her a PM if her number isn't somewhere on that thread about her barn.

[Appassionato]

Having only lurked on this thread, I thought I'd share my two cents. One, if you throw hay, and there's hay on the ground when an inspector comes, water, etc., they might think the horse has had that the whole time. Just a thought. Two, it may help if bird4416 calls as well. The more people calling, the more something may get done.

Jingling that the horse gets the care it needs, or passes soon (strange as that may sound).

[bird4416]

One, if you throw hay, and there's hay on the ground when an inspector comes, water, etc., they might think the horse has had that the whole time. Just a thought. Two, it may help if bird4416 calls as well. The more people calling, the more something may get done.



That's another thing I was worried about if I throw hay. I called the Dept of Ag on Monday. I told them I knew someone who would take the horse and they took my name and number but I haven't heard back from them yet. I thought I would call again on Thursday to see if anything had been done. They won't usually tell you though but I do plan on bugging them.

[King's Ransom]

How about calling the newspaper if the horse looks as bad as you say? Maybe they will do a story on how hard it is to get help for a starving animal?

I just hate the idea of doing NOTHING while the authorities do NOTHING and the poor horse is starving. I know that when I was a lowly newspaper reporter, I would have jumped all over that story. Photos, phone calls, the whole bit. But then, I really never did care who got their feathers ruffled. Thankfully, I became the managing editor of that newspaper and so I REALLY did not care who got their feathers ruffled.

[Wendy123]

Not necessarily. I bought a horse from a woman once who had two - she "fed" them both by throwing out a flake of hay and pouring some grain in a bucket. The dominant horse was fat. The one I bought was a body score of 2.

That's logical but if in the summer the other one is putting weight on sounds contrary. I personally would just drop by with neighborly cookies and be honest. I see your horse who is fat and beautiful has dropped a lot of weight suddenly. Is everything OK?

Is the vet or farrier used known to you? Or a mutual friend or neighbor who might know? Maybe they can help?

[baylady7]

My horse dropped weight last winter- he is 19- and after $300 in vet bills (blood tests) we determined he was anemic (he is now on Red Cell) and also had maldigestion/malabsorbtion whereas an enzyme level was low- very typical for older horses (he is now on Digest Aid). Most folks may balk at spending that much on tests, so there may be problems they will never see as well compounding the issue.

[archieflies]

I bet the people would accept an offer to give up the horse or buy him cheap- they are a bsuiness that thrives on caring for animals. If animal control is out there too many times, it will be noticed by clients. Also, if horses have to be seized, it makes the news. How many people are gonna drop old Ralph and Blackie to be kenneled over the holidays at a place that just got in the paper for animal neglect.

Be sure and mention that to them. :) Or, you can be sly and drop by one day and say, "Hi, I'm your neighbor. I wouldn't be nosy normally, but I noticed the animal control truck in your driveway the other day, and then the ag people. Is there a problem with the dogs? Something I cna help with? Oh, its the horses you say? I've seen those horses, but I just assumed they weren't yours, since you seem to take such good care of the dogs. I figured someone else was just keeping their horses here. I sure hope none of your clients are scared off by seeing that animal control truck. That could be horrible for business!!! Well, if you need any help wiht the horses, I do know someone that's GREAT at getting the skinny ones well again! Call me if you're interested! Bye!" I bet they cave before you can even turn to walk away!

:)

You just have to put it in a way that they see it as their best interest!

[bird4416]

Archieflies, I'm also concerned about the dogs in their care. If they can't take care of a horse that is in full view of their clientelle, what are they doing or not doing for the dogs that are keep inside a building out of the public view?

[archieflies]

Archieflies, I'm also concerned about the dogs in their care. If they can't take care of a horse that is in full view of their clientelle, what are they doing or not doing for the dogs that are keep inside a building out of the public view?

It really sounds more like an issue of not having a clue about horses and not knowing how to handle a hard-keeper. I wouldn't automatically assume the dogs are in danger- they may know much more about caring for dogs than horses. Most people do! :)

[bird4416]

Well, the saga continues. I just found out from a good friend that the police were there today. I don't know any more details but she said it was because of the horses. She is trying to find out more info. She also told me that lots of people have talked to her vet and he has been telling them to report to the Dept. of Ag. Sounds like several people have reported this to the D of A so I've got my fingers crossed that something will be done soon. I don't think it would be a good idea to go over there now. They might think I was the one that sicced the cops on them.

[Appassionato]

Well, the saga continues. I just found out from a good friend that the police were there today. I don't know any more details but she said it was because of the horses. She is trying to find out more info. She also told me that lots of people have talked to her vet and he has been telling them to report to the Dept. of Ag. Sounds like several people have reported this to the D of A so I've got my fingers crossed that something will be done soon. I don't think it would be a good idea to go over there now. They might think I was the one that sicced the cops on them.

I don't blame you for not wanting to go over there at this point.

This brings up a point. Aren't the vets required to report abuse/neglect? Is this state by state?

[summerhorse]

Sadly I don't think anyone is required to report abuse or neglect of animals.

[glitterless]

I know of people like this. They love animals. They're usually really into dogs or something like these people, so they get a couple of horses..maybe they were given to them and they had the room so they took them.. maybe they just always wanted a couple of horses. Unfortunately they don't know enough to keep the horses healthy. I'm not condoing this neglect, but I would hate to see these people treated a little too harshly by authorities. They could end up losing their business.

We have an older mare that has been ill on and off for a couple of years. During the summer she gets really bad.. definitely not with her hip bones protruding, but as a horse person, I know she's too thin and want to see more weight on her. It would be SO easy for a passing motorist to glance at her and think she looks unhealthy, even though she's fed well and under a vet's care. Yes, I would be grateful if a kindhearted person stopped by to let me know there was a problem with one of my animals, but if a person went to the press or the authorities and wanted legal action taken, I would be really upset.

Even though someone else has already involved the police, you could always go over and introduce yourself and talk horses. Find out what they know, what they're willing to do, and if they want to learn. If they're really rude to you, don't seem to care about the horses, or whatever, by all means, do what you have to do to help the horse.

I just wanted to add that I don't think feeding the horse yourself is a good idea. Imagine if he colicked or developed laminitis? And quite often an older horse can have free choice hay and STILL do poorly if his teeth are bad, he hasn't been dewormed, or has other health issues.

[summerhorse]

I know of people like this. They love animals. They're usually really into dogs or something like these people, so they get a couple of horses..maybe they were given to them and they had the room so they took them.. maybe they just always wanted a couple of horses. Unfortunately they don't know enough to keep the horses healthy. I'm not condoing this neglect, but I would hate to see these people treated a little too harshly by authorities. They could end up losing their business.

We have an older mare that has been ill on and off for a couple of years. During the summer she gets really bad.. definitely not with her hip bones protruding, but as a horse person, I know she's too thin and want to see more weight on her. It would be SO easy for a passing motorist to glance at her and think she looks unhealthy, even though she's fed well and under a vet's care. Yes, I would be grateful if a kindhearted person stopped by to let me know there was a problem with one of my animals, but if a person went to the press or the authorities and wanted legal action taken, I would be really upset.

Even though someone else has already involved the police, you could always go over and introduce yourself and talk horses. Find out what they know, what they're willing to do, and if they want to learn. If they're really rude to you, don't seem to care about the horses, or whatever, by all means, do what you have to do to help the horse.

I just wanted to add that I don't think feeding the horse yourself is a good idea. Imagine if he colicked or developed laminitis? And quite often an older horse can have free choice hay and STILL do poorly if his teeth are bad, he hasn't been dewormed, or has other health issues.


Feeding the horse is not a good idea because legally the law doesn't care WHO is feeding the horse, just that the horse gets fed. So you could prolong the horse actually getting seized. And if the horse has a medical problem you might accidently make it worse. The only way I'd feed him would be if after all this they did nothing. Then just go offer to buy or borrow thehorse, say you (or someone you know) needs a pasture ornament and would they sell/give it whatever.

I had a pony that suddenly went from round to ribby, she had diarrhea, she wouldn't eat, she looked scruffy. BUT I notified the owner (she was leased) and we had the vet out, did her teeth again, ran every blood work possible, checked her from head to toe, wormed her again with different wormers, and NOTHING showed up. She was perfectly normal. And still losing weight and having diarrhea! I switched her to senior feed and some (forget the name probiotic) for awhile) and all the hay she could waste and gradually she got better and gained her weight back and looked really nice when they took her back (thank god!) SOMETHING was causing her to not absorb the nutrients in her food, they were just moving on through the body without being picked up. The senior feed would break down fast enough that she was able to get enough out of it. Of course she was also eating the same amount as my HORSE. all 10 hands of her. What she really needed (and got) was to be out on a grassy place where she could be eating all the time (no grass on the sand dunes!). Probably she is going to be a Cushings horse even though it isn't showing up now, it probably will down the road. Once she got out on grass she went back to being the roly poly thing she was. Yes I did warn them she didn't need to get VERY roly poly because of her feet.

At any rate, long story short, if AC had come by I could have immediately directed them to my vet who would have assured them that everything that could be done was being done. And that it was done immediately not 6 mos. or a year after the horse turned to bones.

[CHorseFarm]

ARGH! This is so frustrating. I, too, wanna know what the cops were doing there. My vet has apparently received lots of calls from concerned customers about the horse, too.
I agree with Bird, may not be to safe to venture over there now with a plate of cookies...since they're apparently getting a lot of "action" from authorities. I'd like to see more "action" in the removal of the horse by the State -preferably today.

[MoonBallad]

ARGH! This is so frustrating. I, too, wanna know what the cops were doing there. My vet has apparently received lots of calls from concerned customers about the horse, too.
I agree with Bird, may not be to safe to venture over there now with a plate of cookies...since they're apparently getting a lot of "action" from authorities. I'd like to see more "action" in the removal of the horse by the State -preferably today.


From what you say in this post it sounds to me as if they are new to horses and just don't know how to care for them properly. Has anyone involved directly in this situation thought to help educate them rather than prosecute???

If he's graining 2x a day with what looks like dog kibble he's feeding pellets. Why hasn't this vet or any of you other horse people explained the need for hay in their diet. As hard as it may be for some of you to believe it is very possible that they really don't know what they're supposed to be feeding and think they're doing it right.

People tend to be very quick to judge without knowing ALL of the facts and that can really hurt the lives of the others involved. IF they are truely neglecting their horses WITH the knowledge of what the horses needs are then by all means prosecute away but if you don't know all the facts then you should be very careful before you make accusations.

From what I have read no one has gone to speak with the owners to see if they in the dark about the dietary needs of these horses. Again why hasn't this vet that's been mentioned done this???

I'm not defending anyone here if they are indeed aware of their needs and not providing them BUT if they are new and have good intentions this story could have a very sad ending. Think of this; these people may actually love these horses, sounds to me that they are animal people since even their business is animal related, they may think they're doing what they're supposed to be doing - especially if even the vet has never told them any differently - and now they have the police at their home/business and animal control trucks in their driveway. Of course that's going to hurt if not destroy their business which they depend on to live and support their family. That does NOT look good for any animal related business even if they are innocent. Look at the way you people are already questioning their dog care. I would love to see a picture of this horse. From the description they may not see it as urgent if they are really not familiar with horse care. You wrote that his ribs are showing but no hip bones protrudung there are many degrees of "ribs showing" and usually when they're getting really thin their hips begin to stick out. They might think this is normal for this particular horse especially if their other horse is doing fine. I'm sorry but it really sounds more to me like lack of knowledge than deliberate neglect and if that's the case then everyone involved is guilty of not trying to help these people learn and to do what they need to.
Depending on who the authorities are and how they handle this this could end in a real nightmare for those people in may ways. They could lose their horses, their business, their home and their reputations in the community if they are accused of neglect and it turns out that they simply didn't know what they were supposed to be doing.
I would never in a million years defend anyoe who is deliberately neglecting or abusing an animal BUT it sounds like no one - not even their vet for god's sake - has take the time to help these people learn about horse care. It just doesn't sound to me as if they are deliberatly neglecting him.

PS - has anyone checked to see if this horse might have ulcers or need his teeth done? There could also be another reason he is so thin if the other horse is doing ok on the same feedings.

[bird4416]

Moonballad, CHorse did go by and she talked to an employee who informed her that the owners didn't care about the horses at all (owners were not there at the time). He was trying to do the best he could but knows nothing about horses. CHorse told him they needed hay. The horses live in paddocks in front of the business/home and the paddocks have never been picked. They are literally full of manure and the fences are in disrepair. The thinnest horse has all ribs sticking out and when viewed from behind looks like a tent; both hips bones poking out and his spine poking up with the skin dipped in between. The other horse dosen't look emaciated but he is not in very good shape either. He is ribby and his coat is rough and dull. I rode my horse down beside their paddock and the two horses were so listless they didn't even acknowlege his presence. When I have ridden by in the summer, they came up to the fence and seemed interested in the horse going by. They were alert and perky. I will try to take pictures and post them. I probably should go over and try to talk to them but a little voice in my head keeps telling me not to. I feel I should trust my instincts. Hopefully something will happen soon to help this situation for the horses.

[bird4416]

Here are pictures that I took today of the horse.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0158.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0162.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0161.jpg

[summerhorse]

Those are pathetic. There is no reason this horse should not have been seized already. He's like a 0 on the scale of 1-5. Is there a vet willing to call the authorities and tell them flat out that the horse will be dead soon if it does not get help?

[Appassionato]

Those are pathetic. There is no reason this horse should not have been seized already. He's like a 0 on the scale of 1-5. Is there a vet willing to call the authorities and tell them flat out that the horse will be dead soon if it does not get help?

Agreed with summerhorse. I hope you guys can help the horse.

[CHorseFarm]

No words. Photos say it all. What a sweet face this poor baby has!

[Oakstable]

Ditto on such a sweet face and kind eye.

I have never seen anything so pitiful. Please stay on top of this and get this horse out of there.

[Weatherford]

OMG!!!

And, yes, he has a sweet face and a lovely eye. Wouldn't a warm barn with two feet of shavings and a nice hot mash make a lovely Christmas present for him??

[bird4416]

When I walked up to take the pics, he was in the barn. He nickered and walked out to see me. I think he was hoping I had some food. He let me pet him and was very sweet. I was glad to see that he was alert and interested in me. He smelled really awful though. His feet look pretty bad too. His stablemate also nickered and walked up but was a bit more reserved. He isn't nearly as thin but definitely could use some weight. His mane was all knotted and his coat is very rough. His feet also were in bad shape. I contacted another rescue and hopefully they will be able to help.

[catknsn]

Holy crap, I just saw the pictures. He is going to die if he doesn't get help soon.

Can you post the phone number we should call to put pressure on the authorities to do something about this? I think they need 500 or so phone calls. This horse needs help NOW.

[Sweetfiddler]

OH MY GOODNESS!!! That poor horse is like a 1 on the Henneke Scale. I can't understand why he has not been seized yet!!! I would take those pictures and start e-mailing them to County Commissioners, Vet Clinics, Dept of Ag, Humane Society's and of course the local Newspapers and TV Stations. I would have done gone over there myself and told those people to give me the horse or there would be HELL to pay. There is NO Excuse for a horse to look like that!!!

[goeslikestink]

that isnt an old horse -- please get help for both of them --bump

[goeslikestink]

get those piccys to a an equine paper and to the centers that resuce horses -- and aspca -you need a policeman for cival rights and a aniaml controller for aniaml rights-- i have doen a removal of a horse

look if the authorites wont remove-- then you can go not birds the other one

go and offer some moemey200$ CASH -- get them both out say this

i can se you having a lot of trouble and in a court of law you will be prosecuted
for animal cruelty now you really dont want that to ruin your bisness--

so please let me have the horses for x amount otherwise i come back with animals rights authority and polce and you will have to give him to me for nothing --

i have done this erveral times in the past when a horse needs urgent help
and the authorires have heaps of red tape and cant do antyhing that horse and the other one need help now not tomaorrow not next week now
tell the fliipping paapers that the authories know and they doing bugger all about it

[onthebit12000]

Bird,

Can you print the photos out and take them to the police station? This horse must be fed immediately, or soon he will go down and will likely be too weak to get up again.

Please, please, I beg of you...take the photos to the police and ask them to accompany you to bring these horses some hay. If they agree(or even if they dont and you want to sneak some hay to the horses), you should bring them a soft grass hay. Do not bring them anything too course as too much roughage at once could cause an impaction. The horses should be fed small amounts of hay, several times per day. No more than a pound or two of hay at a time. Obviously, you should make certain they have access to clean water.

This is just horrific. These people are clearly guilty of animal cruelty.

I will pray that somehow you are able to help get food to these poor creatures.

Gail

[bird4416]

Guys, I'm doing the best I can. Equine rescues, vets, animal control and Dept. of Ag have all been notified by numerous people. Short of stealing the horse, I don't know what else to do. I've thought about notifing the press but this is a suburb of Atlanta. They don't mess with this kind of story often. Now that I have the pictures, I could e-mail them to local TV stations and see if this helps. This horse lives in the front yard of this place so he is very visible. I am appalled that nothing has been done yet.

[bird4416]

Onthe bit, the police have already been there. Noone in authority seems to be able to do anything. Apparently, if there is feed on the property, they can't take the horse.

[King's Ransom]

In post #57 you wrote: I probably should go over and try to talk to them but a little voice in my head keeps telling me not to. I feel I should trust my instincts.

Are you afraid for your own safety? How is that you were able to go and take photos?

This has been going on for quite some time, I don't remember the date on the first post, but now we are going on Christmas day and still the authorities have not moved to seize this horse. I am with the others -- he is going to die if someone does not do something drastic NOW. It's too late to go to the papers, if someone hopped on it this afternoon it would be Tuesday, likely Friday before anything would be in the papers and I doubt this horse will live until Friday if something is not done NOW. I know it's Christmas Eve, but maybe you can use that to your advantage?

Posting photos on CoTH is not going to save this boy. GLS has a good suggestion -- but if you are afraid of these people for some reason ... maybe the best thought is to throw 1 lb of soft hay and KEEP on the authorities.

I also like the idea of posting phone #s here and let CoTHers start calling!

[onthebit12000]

Bird,

That is not generally the case. When a horse looks like this one, and it is clearly evident that it is not being fed, even when food is present on the property, humane authorities as a rule can step in to impound.

Could you send me the phone numbers to the agencies you have contacted and also your local police department? I will also need the physical address where the horses are located.

I know I wont be able to reach anyone til Tuesday, but I promise, I will help get this some attention, first thing Tuesday morning.

In the meantime, is there anyway you can get some hay over to these guys?

[bird4416]

Are you afraid for your own safety? How is that you were able to go and take photos?


This horse is in the front yard. I just walked down the street casually and stood for 5 minutes and snapped pictures. Where I stood was blocked from view of house by the barn.

[west5]

You need to post the address and name of the business where these horses are located.

This is unacceptable on every level.

I live no where near Georgia but I will happily make calls to anybody that I can find on google or in the phone book.

I am sick to my stomach.

I would definitely e-mail those pictures to your local news station with a comment about it being x-mas and someone should be helping these poor animals.

[Appassionato]

Bird,

That is not generally the case. When a horse looks like this one, and it is clearly evident that it is not being fed, even when food is present on the property, humane authorities as a rule can step in to impound.

Could you send me the phone numbers to the agencies you have contacted and also your local police department? I will also need the physical address where the horses are located.

I know I wont be able to reach anyone til Tuesday, but I promise, I will help get this some attention, first thing Tuesday morning.

In the meantime, is there anyway you can get some hay over to these guys?

Just thought I'd mention that in GA it's HELL to get something done about neglected horses. Our Dept. of AG. is the worst. :( Not trying to down the efforts, just trying to be up front about how crappy GA can be about horses.

[goeslikestink]

http://www.horse-protection.org/ they have links so maybe one of these can help- tony curtis saves horses

[goeslikestink]

my point i ring his santury -- hes a celebrity -- might be more of a pull
believe me when i say this bloke wont bite - i have meet long time ago hes anice man and approachable

[Noctis]

Bird, Lori at Sunkissed is not too far from you, I KNOW she could and would do some good, you can PT me for her number, and I'd be willing to come down and talk to the owners, that is NOT an old horse, and he won't be alive too much longer looking like that. Please give Lori and or me a PM or call, and I know we can get something to happen

[SuperSTB]

Can someone offer to buy the horses. Just walk up with CASH in hand. Flashing green is a big motivator.

Walk up and say

"$500 cash right here for both horses in current condition. They'll get a good home and you won't need to worry about feeding them anymore."

Just make sure you right up a quick bill of sale

"Bill of Sale for 2 horses described as...(approx age, sex, color, markings) AS IS Condition, no implied warranty, Today's date, Purchase price and payment in CASH, Buyer name and signature, Seller name and signature"

Take pictures of both on the day of sale on THEIR property first and then in the home of new horses.

EDITED TO ADD:

I've done it before and it works- try it at least.

[YoungFilly]

Oh this poor horse. I can't stand people who do stuff like this. :cry:

[SuperSTB]

A couple other things to point out...

first authorities CAN seize an animal in this condition even if food is on the premises. They don't usually because often times the owners are either rehibilating the animal and have some sort of vet record or whatnot. Important for people who take on poor conditioned animals for rehibilatation to have bill of sales, vet records, and dated photos (lab processed not digital so they have print dates and dates ON the photo which would help document improvement)

Second it's very possible that said owners *know* people and authorities are less apt to do anything because of who they *know*.

[Strana1]

OMG that poor horse! He looks so sweet. I agree with others that you should post phone numbers of the area agencies and an address where the horses are located. I would definately e-mail every news agency, local and bigger. And if you post links I am sure other members of this board would call and e-mail. The squeaky wheel gets the grease so to speak. I'm sure we could make a lot of noise! Any if you can get them some hay I would definately give it to them (in small amounts) At this point the poor guy needs to have something to eat!

[Black Market Radio]

Years ago I saw a horse in much the same body condition tied with a wire around his neck in the middle of August in 100+ degree weather. I was trail riding with a friend, and we couldn't even walk our horses out in the field he was in because the ground had been furrowed and then left to dry and harden. The horse had a gash around it's fetlock where wire had wrapped around him. He was tied out in wild oats that had lost their nutrition, with no water in sight. We weren't far from our barn, so we galloped back and called AC. Our vet happened to be at the barn already, so when AC came out we all went out. She determined his BC to be 1, and when she pulled on his neck skin to see if he was dehydrated, his skin just stuck there and his gums were white. The poor thing was looking at us with a gleam of hope in his eye, it was hard. The damn AC guy said "Well, he has food and his cut is healing, so there's nothing I can do. He got in his truck, and left. :mad:

This is the same AC officer who would come and seize a dog if it so much as broke a toenail. There were so many problems with this guy, and the only time he ever did anything with horses was when practically a whole town called, and they called the TV stations which played all over the Bay Area of San Francisco! Then majikally the horses who were stuck in 3 feet of mud were seized.

The guy got them back a few months later though. :mad: :mad: :mad: :no: :eek:

[Black Market Radio]

Forgot to add that the horse I mentioned above had his feet growing over old rusty shoes, too. The AC guy casually mentioned that since he had shoes on, they must be taking care of his feet! I thought the vet was going to kill him right then and there. She told him "This horse is in severe danger of dying soon, my advice is to seize him"

We called on these people another time, and since some of their horses were well taken care of and there was food and water on the premises, the asshole STILL did nothing. Even with more obviously starved animals than fat ones. These idiots tried to scare my horse once by blaring their music at me while I rode past their place. The lazy lump I was riding just looked at them, snorted and kept going.

I loved that mare.

[JohnDeere]

[QUOTE=Appassionato;2076270]Having only lurked on this thread, I thought I'd share my two cents. One, if you throw hay, and there's hay on the ground when an inspector comes, water, etc., they might think the horse has had that the whole time. Just a thought. [QUOTE]

If AC isnt going to do anything anyway, what would it hurt to feed a starving animal?

[Tiempo]

Have to agree with JD..please feed that poor,poor creature something.


My heart bleeds for him.:cry:

[summerhorse]

For horses in that bad of body condition alfalfa is the recommended feed. Either hay or pellets (as a mash). Since you don't really want hay around although kind of doubtful it would be around long! Maybe you could go over after dark with a couple buckets of some alfalfa pellets mash (just a little bit to start). As he gets used to eating you can increase it and not have to wet it.

In the meantime if you don't have alfalfa pellets regular pellets would do but in low amounts. This horse's system looks like it is closing to shutting down permanently. =( People suck, they really do.

If the authorities are so inept here it sounds like maybe the cash in hand method might be the best method.

[Maple Shade]

For the love of God! How about a trailer and Cash? I'm game.....anyone?

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Agreed with summerhorse. I hope you guys can help the horse.


This is far worse than I thought it sounded originally. :eek:
That horse will be dead soon if he doesn't start getting some quality feed and hay and it will need to be slowly or that could kill him too!
You need to do more to get him help. He doesn't look like he has long left!

[Maple Shade]

Can you go tell them you have a friend (that would be me) who LOVES watching the thin ones get fat. Would they be interested in selling him? :winkgrin: I sure could use a nice Christmas present.

[summerhorse]

For the love of God! How about a trailer and Cash? I'm game.....anyone?

I don't have much but I can throw in a pittance. We'd need a 501 to get/track the money. And of course someone to go there and hopefully convince these people the best thing they could ever do is sell these bone bags and be done with it.

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Bird,

This is just horrific. These people are clearly guilty of animal cruelty.

Gail


And these individuals run a dog business?
I am in dogs, and I don't know any reputable dog person that would think that the condition of this horse is okay!
Animal people are animal people and the decent ones know what a thin animal is!
I would want to see their dogs too because if they think this is an acceptable way to care for any animal, they have a serious problem and do not deserve to have ANY animals! :mad:

[King's Ransom]

I don't know what the OP is willing to do. It sounds to me like she is afraid of these people. She has been posting here about this for long enough and nothing is happening. If someone close enough to her would PM her and just step in, that would be best. I don't think she wants to get "involved." And perhaps she shouldn't. We don't know the whole story.

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Just thought I'd mention that in GA it's HELL to get something done about neglected horses. Our Dept. of AG. is the worst. :( Not trying to down the efforts, just trying to be up front about how crappy GA can be about horses.

Has anyone contacted Mapleshade to see what she was able to do when she rescued the OTTBs from the former COTHER this past summer?
She lives in GA so she knows the laws better than those of us who don't.
I do know she had to PAY a ransom on those guys, but any input she has might be of help anyway!

[Maple Shade]

Summerhorse- I can fund it and buy him/take care of him etc. depending on purchase price amount. No 501c needed (although if someone else wants to fund/take him that'd be just super too and I'll donate). I would just need help on the front end.

[Tiempo]

I would throw in some $$ to get this guy out...can we do anything????

[Maple Shade]

HHL- I was not one of the people involved with the state. Others had a connection there and took care of that. I can call them in the am and see if they have any useful info and can help. My vet may be useful too. I have no idea where this guy is. Can the OP give me a town or county?

[Maple Shade]

SuperSTB- excellent points. Yes, often people "know" the right person. As you point out, sometimes when the situation is dire (this guy is close to if not into internal organ problems) it's best to just buy the poor creature.

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Summerhorse- I can fund it and buy him/take care of him etc. depending on purchase price amount. No 501c needed (although if someone else wants to fund/take him that'd be just super too and I'll donate). I would just need help on the front end.

There you are!!! You rule Margaret!!

[Maple Shade]

Yeah but Hobbyhorse tomorrow is Christmas and my only day off until Fri. EEK! That's why I'd need help with more info. This would have to happen quickly and how the heck would I get Cash on Christmas anyway? It would be awful to think of him there all week. Besides, we suckers need our sleep :winkgrin:

[King's Ransom]

I hope you can get some information and get moving. The original post on this thread was DECEMBER 10th! Like I said before, I do not think the OP feels safe getting "involved." If she WILL at least provide information for someone else to get involved, that is probably what is needed now.

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Yeah but Hobbyhorse tomorrow is Christmas and my only day off until Fri. EEK! That's why I'd need help with more info. This would have to happen quickly and how the heck would I get Cash on Christmas anyway? It would be awful to think of him there all week. Besides, we suckers need our sleep :winkgrin:

The OP???? can we find out where this guy is without her?
There was someone else who knew where too wasn't there?
Cash on Xmas...if everyone sends dribble to a pay pal, or maybe to the rescue close by's account, can you get any from an ATM in the meantime?
I guess the first step is to find out where and how much huh?

[Tiempo]

She may not feel safe "getting involved" and I can understand that,but if she can make an offer to buy him...money talks,no???

I feel wretched sitting here with my glass of good wine and all the food I could need around me when that poor,poor boy is in that condition :cry:

[Maple Shade]

Tiempo- exactly! If anyone who sees this knows where this boy is/ how to get in touch with the owners please pm or email me at mapleshadefarm@gmail.com .
HHL- yeah see for ATM you have to have an ATM card...lol. Long story. Besides- the amout you can take out in one day is very limited. I'm sure I could figure that end out of I could figure out a plan for snagging this cute boy.

[Tiempo]

Paypal?

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Paypal?

Western Union?? :D

[King's Ransom]

Yeah, I am just sick to my stomach, too. Both of my boys have been fed their senior feed plus joint supp plus canola oil plus hay for the night. And they will have a nice bran mash treat tomorrow for Christmas. It's just not right that this one is starving to death.

[Maple Shade]

Well, hopefully someone who knows this boy's whereabouts will chime in. I have enough food, hay, and blankies to make him comfy. Besides my trailer has been sitting in the yard too dang much lately. Off to sleep and dream of fat and happy horses :D

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

listed places for dog boarding/grooming in the area i think the horse is:
http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypResults.py?&&city=Sandy+Springs&state=GA&uzip=30328&country=us&msa=0520&cs=4&ed=Wr99lq1o2TyXg.ssf7kMbcB9.1vqpLYnAGbGcuCQiQZF&stp=y&stx=8120477

Well, hopefully someone who knows this boy's whereabouts will chime in. I have enough food, hay, and blankies to make him comfy. Besides my trailer has been sitting in the yard too dang much lately. Off to sleep and dream of fat and happy horses :D

[summerhorse]

Summerhorse- I can fund it and buy him/take care of him etc. depending on purchase price amount. No 501c needed (although if someone else wants to fund/take him that'd be just super too and I'll donate). I would just need help on the front end.

Super! I wish I weren't so far away. Hopefully you can PM the OP and get the address of these people. I can see her not wanting to get involved but you know somebody just driving by happens to see the horses and they look SO much like the ones you had when you were little... Money usually talks.

[arena run]

I don't like being 'Johnny Come Lately' to a thread... and especially don't like saying the same thing that's been said already...

But...

That horse is so not in good shape. The look in his eyes is very compelling. It seems he's a fighter (or he'd already be dead) and and his face is so sweet.

I'm like, "TELL me where he is - and then get outta my way." But it seems he is too far for me. I WILL send some money though - and that's not something I normally do at all. $10 is about all I can do but it's willingly given.

Tell me a PayPal address and I'll send it. sylvia

[MoonBallad]

I just saw the pictures you posted of the horse and I have to take back anything I wrote that could possibly be in the owner's defense. I thought I had read somewhere that "his ribs were showing but his hip bones were not protruding" so I thought it could be a case of him being slightly underweight. I see now that this is NOT the case at all. There is no excuse for the condition he's in. I think you should send the pictures to the newspapers in the area with a brief history on what action the authorities are or are not taking with a list of all the authorities that were either contacted or have gone out there. I'm sure the paper would be interested and it would be a way to make people pay attention and do something about this guy without getting yourself directly involved with the owners.

[SuperSTB]

Yes- flashing cold cash in front of someone who obviously does not really care about the horses in the first place- can be a very powerful tool.

I'm telling you- someone just needs to knock on their door and say

"look I'll give you $xxx for those 2 horses right now, I can give them a good home and you won't need to worry about PAYING to feed them this winter" SHOW THE CASH- have someone with a trailer maybe a mile down the road. Write up a quick BOS, have 2 halters and 2 leads and walk them off the property.

Do not load up on property either, walk horses OFF. (Liability reasons)

Be sure to stress TO THE OWNERS- about the cost of feeding them through the winter. Do not dabble with words- be concise and direct but pleasant.

[olympicdreams04]

I am based out of NY right now, but getting ready to head to FL and will be visiting some friends in GA this week. I have a truck and trailer and know plenty of people with big fields. If I can go pick these guys up now with any amount of cash in hand, I will do so. Please let me know what I can do.

[onthebit12000]

Well, hopefully someone who knows this boy's whereabouts will chime in. I have enough food, hay, and blankies to make him comfy. Besides my trailer has been sitting in the yard too dang much lately. Off to sleep and dream of fat and happy horses :D

Mapleshade,

You have a PM. The OP sent me the address. Please, everyone..lets figure out a way to help these horses.

[Norcrest]

If anyone needs any $$, or fastrack for this boy, please let me know and it will be in Tuesday's mail! This is so sad and he looks sooo sweet!

[bird4416]

I've sent contact info to all that have PM'd me. I've also e-mailed the pics to all the local news stations. You guys are great. I hope help is on the way for this horse.

[arena run]

What state are these horses in? sylvia

Never mind... just read they are in Georgia.

[Maple Shade]

Got the info about where the horse is! Thanks bird! So, working on it. If anyone in Alpharetta can help please let me know. Mr Maple Shade is on board. :winkgrin:

[philosoraptor]

After seeing the photos, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind this crosses the line and is clearly neglect.

If you're not ok calling Animal Control and/or you haven't gotten too far with them, call EVERY rescue in your state. You will find one or two with lots of experience getting authorities to act on neglect case. They may know how to get the horse siezed. Depending on state law, they may be able to sieze the horse themself with the right paperwork or a sheriff present.

Look up the laws in your state and read them. Find out exactly what is described as neglect to horses. Sadly some places still see horses as livestock (meaning "meat animal") and most places let farmers do *anything* to their meat animals. If there are laws in place to protect horses, tactfully remind Animal Control that State Code xxxx states horses must have _____. Have you shown the photos to Animal Control officers? If they don't act, do you have any police friends? Neglect is a crime, and police can get involved (if they want to).

Look up the Hennke scoring chart and document what he is at. If you can get a vet legally on to the property this would be perfect! It's an objective, skilled observer who can go to court supporting the case.

Keep notes of everything. Dates & times. If the horse can't get up one day, write that down and call animal control immediately. Every time you talk to anyone about it (vet, police, neighbor), write down when and who and what was said. This makes the difference between winning a case and charges dismissed: documentation. Take more (legal) photos in a week or two to show it's an ongoing problem.

Please don't make excuses about not wanting to rock the boat. This isn't a case of someone who doesn't know they're doing wrong... how can anyone looking at that horse know there isn't something wrong? :mad:

I personally am against buying a horse from a situation like that rather than getting the autorities involved. The owner just buys a different pet with the money, and then next week it's a dog or something else starving, and they just made money from the product of their abuse. Ideally the authorities should pursue crimiminal charges, and that might slow them down from getting other animals. Buy him out of there if you really have to, but try every other route first.

PM me and I'll do my best to help. I'll try to put you in touch with the Rescues, and one of them may pick up from here.

Do be careful taking photos. If you're taking them w/o the owner's permission from their property, they're not going to be admissible in court. The same photo taken from the road generally should be admissible. You don't want them to accuse you of tresspassing or anything else. People get really nutty when they're caught doing something so dirty.

[Maple Shade]

Update- I have a WONDERFUL customer who only lives 5 miles from there. She's going to head over there and see what she can do. Cross all body parts! I cannot leave my farm today. My barn is 2/3rds underwater. It's going to take me all day of stripping wet and adding dry to get my babies comfy. This person is convinced she can get them to give her the horses :D

[King's Ransom]

Maple Shade --
Praying for a Christmas Miracle for these boys! Keep us updated!

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

MS - please let us know! Those pics breoke my heart!

[millwrightmomma]

Both horses have to be removed immediately.
Get some cash, offer $400.00 for both, but have an extra hundred still in pocket.
Walk them off immediately, and get a bill of sale.
In another week this horse will be dead, if some one doens't get him Now.
He is close to organ failure, and his feeding will have to be closely monitored.
Get Sun Kissed down there, she will get him out.
Ive done this countless times, Money talks, horsey walks.
Please just do it.
If I was there, he would be gone

[Maple Shade]

Keep the prayers coming! Customer is hopelessly driving around trying to find it. Tracked down Bird who's going to call her and see if she can get her there!

[T.G.I.F.]

***fingers crossed***

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

If you need $$$ let us know.

[Maple Shade]

GOt the scoop- Wonderful customer went and talked to the owner. I called and talked to her. Both horses are in their 20s. Current owner has had them for over 10 years. Owner would be happy to give the horses to a good home today. I think she'd be open to someone bringing hay. Wonderful customer, "Liz", can take them some later. There are all sorts of extenuating circunstances for the owner. I'd rather not air her life in public. Flaming her is NOT useful at this time. She is very open to dealing with me and I'd like to keep it that way. What's needed now.
I can't leave today (flooding barn).
I cannot take a mare (horse #2 is a mare).
Is there anyone local to Alpharetta/Canton that can pick these horses up and house them for a few days? The gelding can come here if there is no rescue available to him. PLease feel free to call me 706-714-5666

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Keep the prayers coming! Customer is hopelessly driving around trying to find it. Tracked down Bird who's going to call her and see if she can get her there!


Fingers are crossed! Did she bring a trailer and cash??

[bird4416]

Just talked to Maple Shade's customer and she negotiated with the owner to give the horses to Maple Shade. Thank God. The details are being worked out and hopefully this guy will have a great home soon and will be on the road to recovery. Thanks to everyone who offered help and special thanks to Maple Shade and customer for coming through in the end.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Great news. And so glad someone can help out what must be very difficult circumstances for the owner.

THANK YOU MS!!!

I can't help directly, but if there is something I can do...

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

YEAH!! See I knew I could have faith in Mapleshade!! :yes:

[King's Ransom]

Wow! That is great news! If there is anything I can do to help, my offer(s) still stand. What a huge relief!

[Maple Shade]

Don't thank me. We still have no solution. I can't get there today. I can't take a mare. Can anyone help???? We need someone who will be kind and talk to the owner with compassion. There's a soon to be ex hubbie involved too so situation feels delicate to me.

[Luckydonkey]

I think if it was me, I would just walk over with a halter and lead and take the horse. Take pics of it being done, take pics of the horse's condition, etc. call animal control and tell them that you are taking the animal sincethey will not do their job. can you as a citizen file neglect charges against the person- any person in law enforcement can see that the animal is obviously in extrme neglect- and it will be easier for you to deal with some minor "theft" charges than them dealing with animal neglect charges- and notify the media if needed...

[SDgumby]

I am sitting here trying to type with tears in my eyes!! I am so glad the horses are saved. I would call that a Christmas miracle. Don't ya just love happy endings???!!

[Maple Shade]

Luckydonkey- there is no need to steal them! She wants to GIVE them to me. Being adversarial will only risk getting them out easily. That is NOT in the best interest of the horses no matter how you feel about the current owners. IMO- the horses come first. Everything else is secondary.

[EqTrainer]

Merry Christmas Baby, let me know if there's anything I can do long distance. My phone is not ringing so email me!

[onthebit12000]

This is great news!

I have just called and left a message for Cheryl Flanagan who runs a rescue in Cumming (not too far from where the horses are located). She may be able to take them, or at least know of someone who might be able to help.

In the event we dont hear back today, can someone PLEASE get hay and water to these two guys?

Gail

[bird4416]

CHorse and I are also trying to get a hold of Cheryl. I wonder if she is out of town.

[goeslikestink]

great news ask sunkiss to

[onthebit12000]

Bird,

Im wondering the same thing???!!! I called the 404-310-1560 number and the mailbox was full. So I left a message at 770-886-5419 and also sent her an email. I guess we will have to sit tight til we hear back from her.

Has anyone managed to get some hay and water to the horses?

[Maple Shade]

Hay will arrive later today. Liz can get them out in the am. However, she needs a place to take them . Can anyone stash them for a few days? 75% of my barn is flooded (as in water running through it...NOT as in damp) so I'm still tied up here.

[millwrightmomma]

Can the OP take them???
As I understand the posts, she lives on the same street or nearby.

Please, someone feed the horses and water them.

[JohnDeere]

It is SO wonderful that things are working. '

Great job all!

[buryinghill2]

You guys are amazing! I had trouble sleeping last night worrying about that horse.

[caffeinated]

Hay will arrive later today. Liz can get them out in the am. However, she needs a place to take them . Can anyone stash them for a few days? 75% of my barn is flooded (as in water running through it...NOT as in damp) so I'm still tied up here.

MS- there are a few people I know who constantly astound me at their willingness to take care of others, whether it's man or beast- and you're definitely one of them. Like some of the rescue workers and CANTER people on here, you're constantly willing to give whatever you have to help, and it's really amazing. I've never met you but think you're a really fantastic person :)

I hope your barn dries out soon and you have a lovely christmas evening. :)

To everybody in the area that is helping with this- you all rock too :)

I didn't read this thread till today, and I'm just amazed and astounded. Hope the situation gets resolved and everybody is rehomed ASAP. I also hope the owner of the horses finds some peace and even footing herself.

[Tiempo]

I'm so glad that this situation is looking up.

Fingers still crossed.

[catknsn]

So glad we are on the right track here...thanks for the updates, please keep them coming!

[Maple Shade]

OK- here's our status. Liz will pick the horses up tomorrow and take them to Bird. She will house them for 2 days. Then our very own larger than life Lori of Sunkissed Acres will pick them up on the 28th! So, pull out those check books folks! Let the Christmas spirit move you to donate as much as you can to Sunkissed. She's in amazingly good spirits and very enthusiastically offered to take them. That makes FIVE new horses THIS WEEK! Good God..no idea how that woman does it :D .

Caff- I haven't done anything but bug people :winkgrin: You are a sweetie. Yes, we are drier. After 6 hours of shoveling and 2 hours of Mr MS digging a trench we have 5 out 6 stalls habitable. :eek: My Christmas has been stinky so thanks to Bird, Liz and Lori for making my Chrstmas! I'll sleep better knowing these horses will be ok and have food in their bellies. Like CAFF I hope the owner's life makes a good turn. Merry Christmas everyone!

[PalominoMorgan]

YAY! :D

[Tiempo]

Excellent..could someone please post the paypal info for Sunkissed?

[summerhorse]

Here's the page from the fire, it gives all the addresses as well as a list of stuff donated in case someone doesn't have money but has supplies you can make sure they don't already have it. Also vender info. for feed and stuff (can always use that I would guess! =)

http://jlhwebdesign.com/sunkissedacres.html

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

This is wonderful news!! :D

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

you guys...overwhelm me. Caffeinated said it better than I could.

This is why so many people respond to you guys, when Lori's barn burned within a week she had UPS boxes covering the lawn.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for what you have done.

[catknsn]

I am so thrilled and will send a donation. Thank you so much, everybody who is going to get these horses out of there. Thanks to the OP for noticing and trying to get something done. They would have been dead for sure without intervention.

[King's Ransom]

Maple Shade--
Are the horses going to Lori's permanently? Will you eventually get the gelding or what? I don't care, just interested. I will send a donation wherever it is most needed to make sure these kids get some groceries and a chance for a better life. Thank you ALL so much for helping them. The gelding does have a look about him that I could not get out of my head. If he survives this ordeal, I bet he will be a great pal for someone.

[EqTrainer]

Maple Shade--
Are the horses going to Lori's permanently? Will you eventually get the gelding or what? I don't care, just interested. I will send a donation wherever it is most needed to make sure these kids get some groceries and a chance for a better life. Thank you ALL so much for helping them. The gelding does have a look about him that I could not get out of my head. If he survives this ordeal, I bet he will be a great pal for someone.

I'm not MS and I don't play her on TV either, but I can safely say that she will not be taking the gelding unless he is a horse that she can rehabilitate and sell. Her role here was to find them a good home and she WOULD have taken them if she had to, but thank goodness she did not have to do that.

I think this is a good time to remind everyone that Margaret is NOT a rescue organization, but an individual who makes her living buying, training and selling OTTB's. IMO she does it better than anyone else, hands down.. if you would like to see her work go to:

www.mapleshadefarm.net

So when Margaret helps out in a rescue like this, she is going ABOVE AND BEYOND what she does for OTTB's on a daily basis. She IS indeed amazing!

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

I'm not MS and I don't play her on TV either, but I can safely say that she will not be taking the gelding unless he is a horse that she can rehabilitate and sell. Her role here was to find them a good home and she WOULD have taken them if she had to, but thank goodness she did not have to do that.

I think this is a good time to remind everyone that Margaret is NOT a rescue organization, but an individual who makes her living buying, training and selling OTTB's. IMO she does it better than anyone else, hands down.. if you would like to see her work go to:

www.mapleshadefarm.net (http://www.mapleshadefarm.net)

So when Margaret helps out in a rescue like this, she is going ABOVE AND BEYOND what she does for OTTB's on a daily basis. She IS indeed amazing!

I'll second that! :D

[JohnDeere]

The true meaning of Christmas lives on...

[maunder]

Thanks all of you for caring about these horses and I've peeked at Mapleshade's website and the number of Thoroughbreds that she has found new careers for is inspiring!:)

Regarding that thin gelding - I am always astonished that even in the most depressing of circumstances the majority of horses will perk their ears and be happy to see people. He can't feel well but there he is looking brightly at the photographer. I hope he is able to recover. Thanks again all of you!

:)

[onthebit12000]

Any updates on the horses?

I spoke with Cheryl Flanagan this morning, and she also stands ready to help if needed. Cheryl is having trouble logging on to COTH, but can be reached by phone should CHorse, Bird, MS, or anyone need to reach her.
770-886-1210

[bird4416]

The horses are at my place now. Liz brought them by around 1:00 and we tucked them into clean stalls and gave them some hay which was much appreciated. The gelding is so thin but he is in good spirits and very sweet. The mare is not nearly as thin and is very cute. I will post pics of them again as soon as I remember to take the camera to the barn. :) So far so good and my fingers are crossed for a speedy recovery to good health. Thanks so much to all involved in this endeavor.

[onthebit12000]

Whew...thank God and thank you Liz, Bird, CHorse, MapleShade and all COTHer's who stepped forward and prayed for these horses to make it to a better place!

Bird, are there any long term plans as to who will take the horses? What can we do in the meantime to help? Can we help out with funds for feed, vet exam, farrier, etc? Im certain that they should be seen by a vet asap.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gail

[17handtb]

Everyone involved in this rescue is a hero...from Bird4416 and CHorse who saw suffering happening and refused to sit silently, to MapleShade, and Sunkissedacres...and all the COTHers who generously pitched in.

I really don't think there is another messageboard that does so much to help so many horses. If there is, I haven't seen it!

[catknsn]

What great news. I'm so happy they're safe.

[YoungFilly]

Wow! Good for you guys for saving these horses! How did it go down? What did the owners say when confronted?

[bird4416]

Bird, are there any long term plans as to who will take the horses?


Sun Kissed Acres has graciously agreed to take the horses. However, I'm sure if someone wanted a really cute arab mare or a super sweet skinny gelding that could be arranged.:) I'm headed back over to the barn to check on them.

[Tiempo]

I'm so thrilled they are out.

Do they have names??

[CHorseFarm]

I really don't think there is another messageboard that does so much to help so many horses. If there is, I haven't seen it!

you said it 17!

Thank you to everyone who has helped these horses! Especially Bird4416 who intiated this rescue and who is now giving these two babies the first warm, well-fed night they've probably ever had! Yup, they are both real love bugs, and the boy won't lift his head from the hay (HAY? WHAT"S THAT???) The girl is very cute and in better flesh, but still needing some groceries and attnetion. Bird4416 and her daughter combed her mane - or shoud i say - un-did the DREADLOCKS she was sporting! She is a very pretty girly-girl!
The boy is even worse up close, and when we put a blankie on him, as Bird aptly put it - it looks like a tent ;( However, the blankies do fit each one and Bird's daughter has made sure they have properly fitting halters and they're both groomed - actually look better than I'd expected (no clumps of mangy hair falling out. They seem to know they are safe and loffed.
They both are whinying and nickering and looking out the window (her, more than him), but seem to know they are safe, finally. And they must know that their journey further will end just as well - thatnk you, Lori! After all you've been through, and to take these guys in - there are no words - except thank you!

[CHorseFarm]

I'm headed back over to the barn to check on them.


Anyone wanna guess how many times she checks on them tonight? :D
And, oh yes, she has FT liive-in barn staff, but I'll bet she just can't keep away from them!
:D :D

[CHorseFarm]

Forgot to add..Bird4416 consulted her vet regarding proper feeding of these guys (just on a general basis) and had covered every possible feed scenario available - from hay to feed - after all, she is not in the biz of saving starving heese (her's are all very, very, well kept;)). Wouldn't we all be afraid of colicing them or choking them or whatever? Luckily, they are munching the Hay like carzy. And, Bird4416 is there with the pitchfork everytime the mare poops ;0

[Buffyblue]

You guys are great! I'm so glad the poor critters are safe now. Much good karma coming your way - all of you who helped make this possible! Happy New Year!

Bonny & Buffy

[CHorseFarm]

Karma? Yessiree! I'm with 'ya! Apparently these heese are only around 20 years old -some love and groceries and they'll be happy and healthy for the rest of their years . 20 isn't old! And yes, they do both have a spark in their eye! Did I mention that I have a soft sPot for chestnuts??

[onthebit12000]

Did I mention that I have a soft sPot for chestnuts??

hmmm... sounds like maybe CHorse has her "wheels" a-churnin! Maybe the gelding could work in a lesson program...light riding of course.

Does anyone have any background on their training? Or what breed the gelding is? He looks like he could be TB, maybe Bird can check for a tatoo once he settles in.

[CHorseFarm]

He look SB to me...she is def Arab;) And both are loveable!

And to think, I dread X-Mas???? Look what X-Mas miracles can do....

[Maple Shade]

BOy am I glad these 2 are safe and sound! I must say I have a pang of jealously and not being able to see their sweet noses stuffed in lovely hay ;) I am, however, very grateful that I'm "off the hook" for these 2 :lol: . Timing was pretty problematic in so many ways. Liz was amazing in dealing with the owner. I think most people would have turned her off. Liz was very compassionate and helpful which surely is why she was so grateful to have help with these 2. Yes they have names! The mare is "Chey" and an Arab. The gelding is "Rocky" and Liz thought the owner said a QH but he sure looks like a TB to me :D . Thank you, thank you, thank you to Liz, Bird and Sunkissed! I am so glad they are eating hay well. Boy that will sure make their recovery easy. So, anyone interested in these lovely horses so Sunkissed can save the spots for others in need?????

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

I am so happy that everything seems to have worked out in the best possible way!
I will of course, continue to worry about Rocky, he won't be out of the woods until he starts to put weight on.
Thank you to all who cared enough to do something to save these poor, helpless kids.
Now...where are the pictures?????? :D

[bird4416]

Well, Rocky the gelding is indeed a t'bred. Here is his tattoo as best as we can tell. V2757. Does that mean anything to anyone? Here are some pics I just took tonight. Here is Rocky
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0167.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0165.jpg

And here is Shay (sp)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0169.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0177.jpg

[catknsn]

V does not make him very old. About 15? I just ran the tat of a mare we are playing polo with who is a V and I seem to recall she was 14 or 15.

He will do just fine with some groceries in him!

[luvmytbs]

Well, Rocky the gelding is indeed a t'bred. Here is his tattoo as best as we can tell. V2757.


You need another number. TB tattoos are one letter followed by five numbers.

I am so thrilled to see those two sweet guys, you can tell in their eyes, that they know a new and happy life has just begun for them.

Thank you everybody.

[bird4416]

When I go back to my last night check, I'll look at his tattoo again and see if I missed a number.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

You guys are wonderful. (insert overwhelmed icon here)

[Coup De Des]

yep! Congrats!

Their feet look good too!

[summerhorse]

Maybe he's an appendix QH? I think they have a letter and 4 numbers but I can't remember if the letter is first or last.

[Patch]

Great save Bird and all involved! I didn't have the guts to look at the pics until I knew the horses were safe. They would haunt me if I knew they were still in danger and I'm too far away to help :( .

The V at the beginning of the tattoo means he was born in 1992 if he is a thoroughbred....

They are both going to be beautiful when they put on some weight.

Once again you guys are wonderful!

[bird4416]

I just rechecked the lip tattoo and there is 5 numbers. The last one is hard to make out. Here it is V27570. I think that the last number is a 0 but it could be another rounded number like 8, 6, or 9 because the 0 was smaller than the other numbers. My daughter seems to think it is an 8 or 9 because the circle is higher and smaller than the rest of the numbers.

[Maple Shade]

he, he....I knew he was a TB :0) Liz guessed him in his mid teens based on teeth. That old owner is on crack. She said she had him 10 years and he was 11 when she bought him. I'm so glad he's ok!!!! Such a cute little face. Maybe I'll spring for a tattoo research tomorrow so we can figure out who he is!

[onthebit12000]

I just emailed a friend at TRPB and asked for a tatoo search. Hopefully he can run all the possibles and come up with an ID! Might not hear back from him til tomorrow.

Something tells me I know this horse. His age would put him on the racetrack around the time I had horses running in Birmingham and elsewhere in the south...wouldnt that be something if it turned out to be a horse I once knew???!!

[Maple Shade]

Dang you OnTheBit...you are gonna make me want him bad! :lol:

[millwrightmomma]

Very good work, bird and all the rest of the Cother's that helped, jingled and prayed.
Lots of hay and water, and a salt block, but watch the salt.
Minimal grain in a few days, and work up, I'm sure your vet will be able to help.
Good pics, they will look much better soon.:)

[Appassionato]

Awesome to hear this story had such a quick turnaround for the horses! :sadsmile:

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Dang you OnTheBit...you are gonna make me want him bad! :lol:


Quick Bird, get him on the trailer and drop him off at Margarets!! :winkgrin:
She has a soft spot for him!!

[RamblinRoseRanch]

Congrats on the rescue, guys. The gelding reminds me of the oldest guy (and newest rescue) Bones.
At arrival:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/anmlfrm/rescues/of50590442-4.jpg

A little over a month later:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/anmlfrm/rescues/of50590442-28.jpg

Which reminds me, I need newer update pics. Here he is in his blanket donated by a great friend in Memphis:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y106/anmlfrm/rescues/newjersey001.jpg

[catknsn]

I'm excited to hear who he is!

[onthebit12000]

Sorry so long in posting...my help is out sick today, so Im flying solo with all 20 horses.

TRPB did not come up with a match when trying tattoo numbers V2757__ using 0 - 9 as a possible last digit. They have asked for a photo of the tattoo.
Bird, do you think you can take a photo?

BTW..How are our two lucky ponies doing today?

[onthebit]

Although I had not posted I have been following this thread. Thank you to ALL who helped these two horses, what a nice Christmas story for these two.

[bird4416]

I will try to get a good pic of the tattoo and post soon. The horses are doing great today. I put them out in my outdoor when it warmed up and we have hand grazed them a couple of times today. Here are some pics of them looking over at my horses.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0189.jpg

My horses looking back at them.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0199.jpg

Rocky enjoying a grooming
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0183.jpg

Lori of Sunkissed Acres is coming in the morning to take them to her place. It will be kind of bitter sweet to see them go. I'm happy they are going to a good home but I will miss them

[bird4416]

We rechecked the tattoo outside in good light and it looks like V27670. The last digit is the most difficult to make out. Here is the best picture of the tattoo. The first letter is definitely a V but it doesn't show up on the pic.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0216.jpg

[onthebit12000]

Thanks Bird, I'll ask them to try V2767- with 0-9 for the last digit again.

Does Rocky have a little bit of white on the right hind coronet? It is difficult to tell from the photo's. Any other white markings other than on his head?

[bt]

Dang I wanna red headed step child

[bird4416]

He has a white star with a little tiny white spot above the star. See pic
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/bird4416/IMG_0167.jpg

The small spot doesn't show in the pic. He does have a white coronet on his right hind.

[Buffyblue]

If you look at the tattoo with a black light you might be able to read it. The two of them look so cute in that picture where they're looking at your horses!

[catknsn]

Boy, that last picture of him just hurts to look at. He makes those last Shiloh Acres TB's look positively chubby by comparison.

I'm just so glad he's safe now.

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Anyone else think that looks like an N??
We are sitting here looking and from this angle, it doesn't look like it goes down far enough to be a V.
If it was an N, he's 22.
Looks like N27670?

[SuperSTB]

Hmmm yes it could be an 'N'.

How about taking a pic of his teeth so we can get a clearer indication of age?

[FatPalomino]

I think it reads 2767


six -try it!

[Appassionato]

I own an "N", and my guy's "N", the lower right part is way lower. Looks like a "Y" to me, if "Y" is used. And I know it's not exacting, but he's teeth angle in the front are that of a younger horse than "N". Just my viewpoint! :winkgrin:

[ram10]

What a good boy to let that tatoo shot be taken. Love the intense look on the lip holder. I love happy endings.

[Applesauce]

What an amazing story. I just love how everyone here has come together to help these horses.

I too am anxiously awaiting information on who this guy is.

[cowboylogic]

How kind they both look...I love the picture of them looking at your horses!
What a great story this time...nice when it is a happy ending :)

Can you keep us posted on how they do in their new home?

Please give them a hug from NJ.

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Lori will fatten them up. The protruding bones just make me want to cry.

[onthebit12000]

Ok we have an ID! Rocky's registered name is ROCKY H. His tattoo number is V27676 and his foal date is July 1, 1992. He was sired by Awd Rock and his dam is Melwin.

I just ran in from the barn real quick to grab lunch and will be tied up with the horse shoer the remainder of the day. So if anyone can pull up his race record and post it, please do. Otherwise I can do it tonight when we get done for the day.

[17handtb]

Here is Rocky's record. Looks like he had a pretty brief (and unspectacular, poor guy :)) racing career.

BIR is Birmingham Turf Club in AL.

_____________________________________________

Rocky H., 1992 chestnut horse, by Awd Rock 77 -- Melwin 86, by Sifounas 76

Breeder: Hackett Bro. TB Inc. (TN)

(SPR=13; CPI=0.0)

RACE RECORD North America/USA
YEAR AGE STARTS 1ST 2ND 3RD USA$
------------------------------------------------------------------
1995 3 3 0 0 0 $99
------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS 3 0 0 0 $99


1995 in North America / USA:

trk dist trk race value of wt wnrs claim #
date race# furl con type race lbs pp fp lngths earned time price rn
---- ----- ----- --- ----- --------- --- -- -- ------ -------- ------- ------ --
0628 BIR 3 6.00 FT 03MCL 3,200 122 11 11 15 3/4 32 1:14.60 5,000 11
1st Chrissys Boy
2nd Deckem Dick 3rd Cat's Little Boy
Owner: Hackett Bros Tbs
Trainer: Randy Nunley Jockey: Ralph J. Dupas

0622 BIR10 6.00 FT 3UMCL 3,500 114 4 11 22 1/2 35 1:13.20 7,500 12
1st Gate Warrior
2nd Keen to Go 3rd Its Tea Time

0615 BIR 2 6.00 FT 3UMCL 3,200 114 6 10 32 1/2 32 1:12.80 5,000 11
1st Exclusive Teddy
2nd Overtime Hank 3rd Cuz Is Cruising

[CHorseFarm]

Bird: I love the photos of them looking at each other - especially your 4 guys all lined up! Rocky looks so relaxed and grateful to be getting groomed! Just look at that stretch!
Did they get off OK this morning?

[summerhorse]

Here is Mom:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/melwin

And here is dad:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/awd+rock

[summerhorse]

Rocky H has his own page in pedigree query now. His great grandsire is Secretariat (sire of Sifounas). I didn't put his owner and when he's healthy again you can add a picture.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/rocky+h

[bird4416]

That's great that y'all got more info on Rocky. He and Shay are still at my place. Lori had a delay and will come for them on Sat. I went by a local arab farm and told them about Shay. The owner came by and looked at her and thinks he can find her a home. He really liked her and Shay did her best to show off for him. My farrier came by this morning and trimmed their feet for a much reduced rate. (Bless him) I put them out on my pasture after a consultation with my vet and they happily munched grass this afternoon. It looks like the mare is not as old as we were lead to believe. She is about the same age as Rocky. I'll post another update tomorrow.

[Chester's Mom]

Rocky H has his own page in pedigree query now. His great grandsire is Secretariat (sire of Sifounas). I didn't put his owner and when he's healthy again you can add a picture.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/rocky+h

Good job summerhorse! Nice to know he is going to be "seen".

[King's Ransom]

Bird -- I am soo glad you ended up with them at your place even for a little while. I know it was a big step, and you worry so about what things they might bring into your barn if they have not had good care. But doesn't it just feel great to have them there and know they are getting good care and plenty to eat. Glad that the vet seemed to think it was okay to put them out on your pasture. They probably think they died and went to heaven ... and heaven right now is YOUR PLACE. That is way cool. My shrink (yes, I have a shrink because I am nuts!) says that there is a gift in each of life's "situations." I am sure that in getting involved with these horses and -- literally saving their lives -- there is a "gift" for you, too. Something that you needed, that only they could deliver. Enjoy! And please keep us updated as to what happens next. Really proud of you for your courage to step in and get these guys to safety!

[bird4416]

Aww, Kings Ransom, your gonna make me tear up. It has been really nice having these guys on the farm. It gave Christmas a lot more meaning this year. Thanks for you kind words.

[millwrightmomma]

Way to go Bird, the horses look better already, and happy too.
A delay of a couple of days is better anyway for the horses, gives them more time to 'pig out' on your groceries :D

King's Ransom..........if you have a shrink, you're not too crazy.
You want Crazy???? live with teenagers, that aren't yours, had an abusive mother(physical, sexual, emotional), are both ADHD & ODD, one is Autistic, both have shrinks.
Now that's being crazy........ Welcome to me :winkgrin:, :lol:, :D

[EqTrainer]

Bird -- I am soo glad you ended up with them at your place even for a little while. I know it was a big step, and you worry so about what things they might bring into your barn if they have not had good care. But doesn't it just feel great to have them there and know they are getting good care and plenty to eat. Glad that the vet seemed to think it was okay to put them out on your pasture. They probably think they died and went to heaven ... and heaven right now is YOUR PLACE. That is way cool. My shrink (yes, I have a shrink because I am nuts!) says that there is a gift in each of life's "situations." I am sure that in getting involved with these horses and -- literally saving their lives -- there is a "gift" for you, too. Something that you needed, that only they could deliver. Enjoy! And please keep us updated as to what happens next. Really proud of you for your courage to step in and get these guys to safety!

:)

And considering that these two horses were all alone, it's unlikely they have anything unsavory to bring to their new home other than a wormload and that is easy enough to deal with.

[onthebit12000]

Bird, I think I speak for all of us here when I say we are all so deeply grateful to you and proud of you for stepping forward to help these horses.

You are a TRUE horsewoman if ever there was one. And in my humble opinion... that is as good a compliment as one can receive. Thank you!!!!!

Please let us know if you or Lori need anything further to help these guys.
I plan to paypal a little something to Lori, but would be glad to help you as well. That is just as soon as I find the deposit my husband lost on the way to the bank this morning...ughhhh...oh well, thats a whole nother story!

[snkstacres]

One more day and I shall pick those kids up. Thanks to the Cothers, warm blankets and good feed will bring them to rights quickly. I just love those old guys.

Thanks to a great bunch of people who got these guys out. Its tough when its your neighbors.

I will send pics so you guys can keep up on the kids.

[CHorseFarm]

It made my Christmas! They're wearing Gambit's old blankies - he was a chestnut rescue OTTB, too - and had an even worse racing record than Rocky, LOL! - and I think he'd like that!

[goeslikestink]

blimey -- what a turn around--- who was it that said it would be funny if it one them came from birmingham--

and boy hes a decentdant of of a famous secretrait - oh forgive spellings you all know who imean shame s hes a gelding if you think about things

wonder how on earth he ended up where he was

as for the mare i say shes welsh x arab not full arab as she thicker set

and doesnt have a full dish in forehead but nice type i told you they werent that old --its becuase they off weight makes them look older
that boy will take a good sixweek-8weeks to get back jj was like him when i got him-- i give equ libra as a balancer in feed stuffs does wonders that or blue chip

lovely photos bird its not hard really to keep on and at it but as lori wiill tell you the same --

ther is nothing like it when you done a good job iits the biggest buzz ever
and when you place that horse in a home and agood one for the rest of it life
or horses in your case-- then you will only do it again as thres nothing in comparason when homework done right -- and maybe this wont be a last one you do---

thank you all so much for being most carinf bunch of individuals i find it an honour to be associated with

we may sometimes have our up and downs and diagreements but freind always do and still be freinds then they are worth gold---

before they go --give them both a carrot from me -- i know i dont beleive in treats -- well its christmas -- hahaha

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

I can't say thanks enough times to you.

[CHorseFarm]

Bird: I just found a sz 78 T/O sheet, if Rocky needs to use it. :)

I rec'd a vm from my "guy on the inside" at the place where these guys came from - he wanted to let me know that someone came and picked up the heese and they were going to a "horse shelter" and that they were in good hands. He was really concerned about them once I told him what dire condition they were in (he has zilch horse experience) and was thrilled they were saved!

[bird4416]

Quick update. After talking things over with the family, we have decided to keep Rocky. We will find the mare a good home and continue with Rocky's rehab. After Rocky is back to a normal weight, we will decide what to do with him at that point. He doesn't appear to have any soundness issues. Something could show up as he gets stronger but hopefully, he can go on to another career. He is only 15 so there should be a lot of good years left for him. I will keep updates on him as he progresses.

[CHorseFarm]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[King's Ransom]

Hip Hip Hooray! I am sooo glad you decided to keep Rocky! Yes, it sounds like he can have another career. 15 is not very old -- and the look on his face from those photos you took, even when he was in such dire straits, there is a big spirit inside there! I am sooo happy to hear this news. Rocky has landed exactly where he was supposed to be! Please do keep us updated on his progress. I am just soooo happy, and yet somehow completely NOT surprised that you are keeping him! :yes:

[caffeinated]

Awwwwwwww!!!!

:D :D :D

[onthebit]

How wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tiempo]

Whoooppee! Can't wait to see how he progresses!

[mayhew]

Here is Rocky's record. Looks like he had a pretty brief (and unspectacular, poor guy :)) racing career.



RACE RECORD North America/USA
YEAR AGE STARTS 1ST 2ND 3RD USA$
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1995 3 3 0 0 0 $99
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TOTALS 3 0 0 0 $99


Does this mean he made all of $99 in his whole career?

[MissBri]

Oh I am so happy for the heese and so very proud of you Bird!!!!!!!

You are an earth bound angel!

Rocky is one very lucky horse.

Doing a happy happy dance......:lol:

[goeslikestink]

couldnt keep them both could you mare so sweet-- could lease her out saves spltting them up as that lok when yours was looking at them is priceeleess


----------- i like the mare to or isnt there someone on here that wants a nice neddy- casue they cant find one iam sure not so long a go ther was someone looking for a nice neddy-- as in kid moving uointo horses can think who it was now-- that mares so sweet-- or mister gut down road -- make sure hes not in for a quick buck with anice horse-- like as in sell her later type thingy would be fair to her for that malarky --
shey nice to folks -- who posted how much do i saving up for horse or how much do i need itwent like that or somehting ---whn it was posted

[King's Ransom]

Quick question, Bird --
Does this mean that Lori will NOT be picking up either of the horses? Are you going to rehab them both and then find a home for the mare, or is she going on to Lori's? Just curious.

[onthebit12000]

Awwwwwwww, Bird...that is as it should be!!
Quick..someone teach me how to use the smiley icon thingies... I havent a clue how to make them work, for if I did, i would post the jumping for joy smiley!

Gail

[Maple Shade]

OH bird I have tears in my eyes now! How wonderful for you and Rocky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so, so happy about this!

[catknsn]

Bird, that's great news. I suspect Rocky is a very nice horse and that when you restore him to good health, you'll be amazed at what he can do!

[Ottopony930]

Quick question, Bird --
Does this mean that Lori will NOT be picking up either of the horses? Are you going to rehab them both and then find a home for the mare, or is she going on to Lori's? Just curious.

This is Birds daughter, and we will be keeping the horses at our place. We are rehabing them both, though a local Arab. barn is searching for a good home for the mare and once they find one she will probably leave and go there as she isnt in bad shape really, and trots up to see me when I call her name and whistle a few times. The guy at the Arab. barn said something like a 4H project would be ideal. We figured that we'd keep them becuase we had become attached and we wanted to go through the proess of rehabilitating a neglected horse and finding him a home once he is ready for one.

[King's Ransom]

Ottopony -- That is great. I kind of figured, in my heart, that once you had them for a few days you would all get attached. Your mom just seems like that sort of person. I think this will be a great experience for all of you, including the "neds" as GLS would say! :lol:

So happy for you. I hope you are planning on keeping a journal of this experience!

[bird4416]

As Ottopony stated, the arab farm around the corner came by to see the mare. The owner is very nice and helped me out about 6 years ago by lending me a blinker for my pony with an eye injury. My vet said they might have one and that they were nice folks and would probably let me borrow one. The tack stores around here don't carry them and I needed it immediatley. He didn't know me at all, and I just walked in, introduced myself and he gave me one. When I went back later to return it, he told me to keep it, he had other ones and I might need it again in the future. I don't think this guy is looking to sell this mare. He said she is the spitting image of a mare he owns and loves. (it wouldn't surprise me if he keeps her himself) He also has an assortment of rescued dogs roaming around the farm. He told me his wife has been trying to do something about these two horses. She drives past them on her way to work everyday and was very upset by there condition. Anyway, my point is, this place has a great reputation and my vet also speaks highly of them. They have been around a long time and I feel comfortable that if he finds someone to give her a home, it will be a good one. She is a really sweet mare and deserves someone to love her. I hate to split them up, but Rocky will have my little herd for companionship. As soon as he is up to it, I will let him meet our gentlest gelding and he will have a new buddy.

[HobbyHorseLabradors]

Quick update. After talking things over with the family, we have decided to keep Rocky. We will find the mare a good home and continue with Rocky's rehab. After Rocky is back to a normal weight, we will decide what to do with him at that point. He doesn't appear to have any soundness issues. Something could show up as he gets stronger but hopefully, he can go on to another career. He is only 15 so there should be a lot of good years left for him. I will keep updates on him as he progresses.


Awwwwww, Bird, looks like you and I both have "big sucker" written on our foreheads!! I get attached too....
Congrats on your new steed, I am sure he will repay you 100 times over!!!! :winkgrin:

[PalominoMorgan]

Awww... I love a happy ending. Yay for both horses. :)

[bird4416]

We waited for a warm sunny day and put the two horses (lovingly known as the skinnies) in the wash stalls for a much needed bath. We have hot water and heat lamps, so I figured today was the day. I am constantly amazed at what good manners they have. They both were great for their baths and let us wash their faces and other tender parts. After much shampoo and scrubbing, they were deemed clean. Of course, this being the South, the weather did a quick change and it became quite breezy. We put irish knits on them with breathable sheets on top and threw them out on the pasture to dry. (Thanks to CHorse, Rocky has a complete set of clothes) Rocky finally went faster than a walk. He actually cantered off and squealed and bucked. It was so cute. He has finally got some energy.

[catknsn]

It's so great to see the nutrition kick in and their energy come back!

Wow, I bet he hasn't seen blankets or coolers since his track days...he must not be able to believe it.