Canter Horse At Risk [Archive]

AHorseSomeDay

Nov. 6, 2006, 08:14 PM

Here is another Canter horse in danger. :( I hope they can find her a home. I don't know much about racing but it looks like she has some nice bloodlines. It doesn't say what type of fracture she sustained.

http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/LouLousAGamer.jpg

Here's her pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/lou+lous+a+gamer

EXTREMELY URGENT: Lou Lou is in Danger!
T06-2166-10. TRAINER-OWNED MARE, Bay, 15.3 hands, 4 years old
Fans of Alydar and Affirmed should check out "Lou Lou's a Gamer": Alydar is her grandfather on her dad's side, and Affirmed is her great-granddad on her dam's side! Though she arrived at the track very thin and in need of TLC, look underneath the shaggy coat and lanky frame and you'll see a very special horse. Lou Lou is very cute and friendly - some young children (all under age 9) came to visit the shedrow, and Lou Lou quietly and gently lowered her head to nuzzle the little ones; she seems to love kids. **Lou Lou has just sustained a fracture in one leg and is at risk; she MUST GO - $700 OBO.** Call Carlos at 603-275-2640. (trainer can be hard to understand on the phone - please contact CANTER if you need assistance:

AHorseSomeDay

Nov. 6, 2006, 08:50 PM

Bump

chai

Nov. 6, 2006, 09:39 PM

Count me in for $100 toward her purchase price if we can find someone to take her and keep her. I wish we had more room. :-( I saw her at the track yesterday and though she is scruffy, she has a kind eye and with time and tlc, she'll be lovely.

EqTrainer

Nov. 6, 2006, 09:51 PM

I usually don't have much to say other than that they can come stay here but I am appalled at the condition this horse is in... and ***$700*** for a horse with a fracture?!!

She looks like she has already BEEN thru a meatgrinder.

Can we get more info on the fracture? Sorry, I just cannot make the call, I could not be civil.

vxf111

Nov. 6, 2006, 10:01 PM

This poor girl. What happened??? Is this a racing injury? Was she racing looking like that?

Prieta

Nov. 6, 2006, 10:04 PM

That poor girl needs a good home...where is she located at now? Her eyes say I am kind..... I wish that someone could give them a call about her and get the price down to $200 for what they did to her.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 6, 2006, 10:11 PM

She's located at Suffock Downs. But I'm not sure what's going to happen if she isn't placed by the end of the week... The track closes on Saturday.
I'm slightly taken back by the pricetag... she looks to be a sweet mare, but there are sound, fat horses coming off the track for less money..
:no: I wish I could put her on my trailer when I go down tomorrow morning!!

EqTrainer

Nov. 6, 2006, 10:13 PM

AppJumpr08

Nov. 6, 2006, 10:16 PM

17handtb Posted on the Canter Cuties Thread that the vet's feeling was that after 6 months of stall rest, the fracture should be healed and she'll be good to go. It's very fresh - could've happened this morning.
That's all I know at the moment...
Edited to add a piece of 17handtb's post in the other thread: "The scoop is that Lou Lou has a very new - possibly as recent as this morning, when she worked out on the track - cannon bone fracture. The vet stated she will need 6 months of stall rest, but he believes she will be "absolutely fine" for pleasure and flatwork after she recuperates."

vxf111

Nov. 6, 2006, 10:16 PM

EqTrainer

Nov. 6, 2006, 10:20 PM

I can contribute to her bail, she looks so sweet. But frankly, I am kind of disgusted at the thought of handing $700 for her over to someone who ran her in iffy shape, broke her, and now is threatening to send her to the meatman unless someone else pays double meat price. I know, I know... it's the owner-- not CANTER setting the price, but this mare is a giveaway at this time of year, in that shape, where she's located.

My thoughts exactly...

and I would be willing to take her and rehab her if we could get her here. But w/a coffin bone fracture.. sheesh. That's a long ride on a broken bone.

17handtb

Nov. 6, 2006, 11:02 PM

Believe me, I hear what you guys are saying and am in total agreement on the price. I am going to try to call the trainer tomorrow and do what I can to get him to come down. But...without going into a lot of detail...it will NOT be easy.

Poor Lou Lou is in the absolute wrong barn to end up with this kind of injury. :(

Several kind souls have PT'd with offers of $ toward her bail money, but she still needs a permanent home; if anyone can give her one, assuming her purchase price is covered, could you please PT me? Thank you!

MGA828

Nov. 7, 2006, 12:36 AM

I feel so bad for this mare and wish I could do something for her, but I don't have my own farm and board the 2 horses that I have and most def cannot afford another board. I would be more then able and happy to also contribute some to her purchase price.

I also by far agree that the price is very questioning with the problems that she currently has. To me that is saying that the owner just wants as much money for her as possible and doesn't give a hoot where she goes and what happens to her.

After taking sometime and really looking at her picture, I can say that with some time, TLC, grooming, and weight she would be a very nice looking her. Also, I have come to the conclusion that her eyes are very experessive and to me she is saying "I'm really sweet and a kind soul, but please help me". I see a very gentle and kind eye, but also to me there is an experession that is trying to reach out and ask for help.

I really hope this mare can be saved by someone and have a life long home. Like I stated before I will help any way I can and will be more then heppy to contribute some to her purchase price if someone can take her home with them.

Please PT me if I can help out in any way.

eks

Nov. 7, 2006, 12:41 AM

I can contribute $75 towards her bail. If you look beyond her nasty coat, I don't think she looks as bad as some are saying. She seems to have good bone and a very nice eye. Looks like she has a lot of growing and filling out to do. Her breeding looks good as well. Poor girl...I hope someone can give her a home.

Thanks to everyone at Suffolk for all they are doing to help these horses find homes!

chism

Nov. 7, 2006, 06:38 AM

I saw her in person on Sunday, and she is a lovely little mare. Very sweet and much more attractive than her picture shows. My heart goes out to the poor young girl who vetted her planning to bring her home. I brought my own Canter cutie home Sunday and don't have a stall for her to rehab in. From the information I've heard...this trainer isn't one that will decide to winter her or give her away, he'll cut his losses however he can. If anyone has a stall and the ability to rehab her, I'm sure she'll pay you back in spades.

FairWeather

Nov. 7, 2006, 06:48 AM

Could she Travel on it though?
Find out more about the fracture if you can--sounds like a hairline or some such for her to still be standing.

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 07:35 AM

I will take her and rehab her if we can figure out how to get her bought and down here - IF she can travel on the leg. Mr. EqT saw her pic last night and said it made him sick to think she might "get sold on" and that he would build her a run-in with a gate that closes it off but that she could still see the other horses. Otherwise we are full up for winter.

I hope COTH can pull this one off. He calls our daughter Lou Lou.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 7, 2006, 07:37 AM

EqTrainer - where do you live? If she needed a month or 2 before she could make the trip if you're really far away, she can always stay at my place.

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 07:41 AM

EqTrainer - where do you live? If she needed a month or 2 before she could make the trip if you're really far away, she can always stay at my place.

I am in Northern NC.

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 07:42 AM

luvmytbs

Nov. 7, 2006, 07:43 AM

Money Talks and BS Walks!

Hand the man a few hundred bucks (more than the meatman would) and see what he does.

Now of course we'd need to find a home for her. Anybody?

We had a hairline fracture horse at the track a few months back and the horse recovered wonderfully for flatwork and more. The trainer even trailered the horse to its new home.

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 07:46 AM

luvmytbs

Nov. 7, 2006, 08:00 AM

AGAIN... I WILL TAKE HER. We just have to get her down here.

So cool.

If she can travel, AppJumpr08 might as well just stick another TB mare into her trailer and take her to safety. :D

AJ08, how sweet of you to offer temporary refuge!

You guys are all just absolutely amazing!

chism

Nov. 7, 2006, 08:17 AM

Who vetted her? Can we get a hold of her and find out what the vet report said?

On that I would follow up with 17handtb. I'm not sure if she can get that information or not.

vxf111

Nov. 7, 2006, 08:24 AM

I have money to contribute to her bail-- where can I send it?

AppJumpr08

Nov. 7, 2006, 09:32 AM

I'll pick her up if the bail is raised!
I personally don't have $700 on me to get her today while I'm at the track - but I'd be more then happy to go back this week to get her (Suffock is less then 2 hours from me). And I do have a stall until she could get to NC.
Now my wheels are turning on the best way to get her to NC... There is a chance I could make the drive myself...

Lets just focus on getting the bail money raised..I would stop in to see her while I'm at Suffock this morning, but I think it would be too depressing to not be able to take her with me right this minute!!

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 09:41 AM

Ok.. here is what I have.

Mapleshade has horses coming down from Suffolk TOMORROW. If there is room on the trailer, it would be a straight shot down to me, which of course is best. So...

This is what we need to know.

1) What is the bottom line we can get her bailed out for? Again, I cannot talk to this guy, I just cannot. Who can do this?

2) We need to determine can she travel tomorrow. Is there anyway to find out what vet saw her and and least get an idea of what condition she is in?

EqT

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 7, 2006, 10:23 AM

Late to this - I've been out of town. Do we need some more bail money? Or transport funds?

summerhorse

Nov. 7, 2006, 10:31 AM

I can contribute to her bail, she looks so sweet. But frankly, I am kind of disgusted at the thought of handing $700 for her over to someone who ran her in iffy shape, broke her, and now is threatening to send her to the meatman unless someone else pays double meat price. I know, I know... it's the owner-- not CANTER setting the price, but this mare is a giveaway at this time of year, in that shape, where she's located.

Me too. $700 for a horse with a broken leg that will need 6 months of stall rest (read 6 months of eating up money in feed and vet bills and cleaning with NO guarantee she'll ever be sound and what about the laminitis spector??)

Are these people CRAZY? Never mind it was a rhetorical question. if they are that desperate to let her go I'd offer the meat price ($400 tops) in cash.

17handtb

Nov. 7, 2006, 10:41 AM

Guys, we have a GREAT local home that will come pick Lou Lou up today if the trainer will take $500. I am desperately trying to work on him...will keep you posted; EqTrainer, would this be OK with you? You were so generous to offer her a home - just thought the shorter trip might be better for her leg.

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 10:43 AM

Tikigator

Nov. 7, 2006, 10:55 AM

Me too. $700 for a horse with a broken leg that will need 6 months of stall rest (read 6 months of eating up money in feed and vet bills and cleaning with NO guarantee she'll ever be sound and what about the laminitis spector??)

Are these people CRAZY? Never mind it was a rhetorical question. if they are that desperate to let her go I'd offer the meat price ($400 tops) in cash.

That's kind of the way I would look at it. $400 for the horse, by the time you spend $500 to ship her (if she's going far) and $$ for a heath certificate you just paid almost $1000.

There was another horse (still on CANTER Mid-A I think) that is in pink "needs to go ASAP" and I called and left FOUR messages for the trainer and she's yet to call me back. so I have a hard time having sympathy for some of these trainers, although I feel aweful for the horses. :( I'm really glad there are so many great people on COTH willing to donate money or service to get an at-risk horse out of the track.

IMHO I think those trainers who don't want the horse (injured, unridable, needs rehab) should give them away to a good home. BUT....I know that "why GIVE them away when they can make $300 from the meat man" I don't get it :confused:

17handtb

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:30 AM

OK, ANOTHER update...! I'm out of breath!

The 16-year-old girl who came with her mom to vet Lou Lou yesterday (when the fracture was discovered) just called me. She is back at the track with Mom and they just bought Lou Lou to save her life! :sadsmile: They may even be able to keep her - they will know tonight if their layup boarding situation is going to come through. (this is a different person from the other local home who volunteered to come get her)

I am just bowled over that someone so young did something so noble. She said her father and mother were reduced to tears hearing Lou Lou's predicament and said, "We have to save that mare." They even let the daughter take the day off from school so they could rush to the track. :D

EqTrainer...will definitely keep you posted if something changes....thank you so much for wanting to help her. Lou Lou's luck just may be changing, finally!

Chester's Mom

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:33 AM

What excellent news! Part of my PM to you, 17handtb is now moot....

What a wonderful family! You'll let us know if they need anything?

EqTrainer....still got room? Maybe you were drawn to Lou Lou to be there for ANOTHER Suffolk horse that doesn't have a family to save them? Maybe we can raise the funds and send you one yet.

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:37 AM

Oh well.

Chester's Mom

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:42 AM

Oh well.

No, no, don't stop now! How about this one? Can she get on the shipment headed your way? If she comes to NC maybe I can visit!

http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/LineofDutyNEW.jpg

T06-2186-10. TRAINER-OWNED MARE, Bay, 16 hands, 8 years old
"Line of Duty" is a very special mare whose connections really love her, and for good reason! This beautiful girl has a fantastic disposition, and is so intelligent that her owner says she recognizes the sound of his car and will come bounding to the front of her stall to greet him. Owner absolutely hates to part with her but is forced to after being seriously injured in an accident. Line of Duty has a big, most impressive build - people have mistaken her for a colt! - with a powerful rear end and distinctively Warmblood looks. She has been a turf horse throughout her career, so has minimal mileage on her legal bowed a tendon 3 years ago but it healed fine and hasn't bothered her since. Owner says she's "a cream puff" to ride - even goes in a D bit! She is a cribber, but controlled with a collar. This is a horse who will make a lifetime riding partner or premier sporthorse mama (she's a granddaughter of Danzig, out of a Bucksplasher mare) - don't miss out. Price Reduced: $700 negotiable, excellent home a must. Call Frank Foley at 617-283-0146.

Edited to add the NE CANTER info, hope that is ok with CANTER and with COTH.... If not, I will delete. Let me know!

Chester's Mom

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:46 AM

EqTrainer, does it have to be a mare? How about Raw General? Apparently his deal fell through and he is from the same trainer (so probably needs the same TLC Lou Lou does!)

17handtb

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:47 AM

Of course it's ok! And yes, that's a nice mare who really needs a home. Her owner is the polar opposite of Lou Lou's trainer when it comes to giving a damn, but the poor guy was badly hurt in a terrible racetrack accident and just cannot afford to keep his beloved girl.

No, no, don't stop now! How about this one? Can she get on the shipment headed your way? If she comes to NC maybe I can visit!

http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/LineofDutyNEW.jpg

T06-2186-10. TRAINER-OWNED MARE, Bay, 16 hands, 8 years old
"Line of Duty" is a very special mare whose connections really love her, and for good reason! This beautiful girl has a fantastic disposition, and is so intelligent that her owner says she recognizes the sound of his car and will come bounding to the front of her stall to greet him. Owner absolutely hates to part with her but is forced to after being seriously injured in an accident. Line of Duty has a big, most impressive build - people have mistaken her for a colt! - with a powerful rear end and distinctively Warmblood looks. She has been a turf horse throughout her career, so has minimal mileage on her legal bowed a tendon 3 years ago but it healed fine and hasn't bothered her since. Owner says she's "a cream puff" to ride - even goes in a D bit! She is a cribber, but controlled with a collar. This is a horse who will make a lifetime riding partner or premier sporthorse mama (she's a granddaughter of Danzig, out of a Bucksplasher mare) - don't miss out. Price Reduced: $700 negotiable, excellent home a must. Call Frank Foley at 617-283-0146.

Edited to add the NE CANTER info, hope that is ok with CANTER and with COTH.... If not, I will delete. Let me know!

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 7, 2006, 12:04 PM

let us know what's needed - my head is whirling!

Leah A

Nov. 7, 2006, 12:29 PM

17handTB, if you see Lou Lou's new girl please give her a huge pat on the back from all of us here! What a wonderful thing she did.

FairWeather

Nov. 7, 2006, 12:36 PM

There was another horse (still on CANTER Mid-A I think) that is in pink "needs to go ASAP" and I called and left FOUR messages for the trainer and she's yet to call me back. so I have a hard time having sympathy for some of these trainers, although I feel aweful for the horses. :(

Maybe the horse is sold.

vineyridge

Nov. 7, 2006, 01:30 PM

Does she have a stall anywhere yet? The new folks were looking for a place to keep her.

Please 17hTB, keep us up to date on her. This is the kind of story that, if I didn't already have too many horses, would make me check my bank account.

Norcrest

Nov. 7, 2006, 01:32 PM

I love Lou Lou (17h ignore my email) and am so glad she has a good home. There is another mare at Suffolk that needs a home named Witto Road..I dont know much about her but my trainer is trying to talk me into her. She is free for the asking...please PM me if you are interested and I will get you my trainers phone#.

17handtb

Nov. 7, 2006, 01:39 PM

I will definitely keep everyone up to date on Lou Lou if she ends up needing a permanent home. She really is a special horse...I wish you could all meet her in person, but your support has already done a lot to help her!

Norcrest: COTH's very own AppJumpr is picking up Witto Road today. :)

Emerson121

Nov. 7, 2006, 01:57 PM

Glad to hear that the mare will have a good home. I have an OTTB and know what wonderful horses they make after the track. :yes:

AppJumpr08

Nov. 7, 2006, 02:08 PM

Yay!! How fantastic that she has a home!! Very Glad to hear about it :)

Witto Road is indeed home and safe in my barn - she's a nice mare who needs a few groceries and LOTS of muscle work (the few muscles she has are very sore) but I think she'll be worth it ;)

luvmytbs

Nov. 7, 2006, 02:28 PM

Chester's Mom

Nov. 7, 2006, 04:14 PM

I just heard:

"You're not gonna believe this! The stall fell through for the 16-year-old girl, and Carlos made her take her money back."

So, we have a home with EqTrainer and she is securing transportation. I have volunteered to pay the balance of Lou Lou's purchase price over and above what we have here. Are our pledgee's still in? Let me know here or by PM and we'll get this poor girl to her new digs!

17handtb

Nov. 7, 2006, 04:17 PM

Thanks, Chester's Mom! What a whirlwind turn of events...I feel so sorry for the young girl, who felt so badly that she couldn't keep Lou Lou, but I assured her she'd still end up in a good spot.

If people are still willing to pledge $ toward Lou Lou's purchase price ($500) so that EqTrainer can bring her home, please let Chester's Mom know - if you're ok with everything going directly through you, CM, to keep things orderly?

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 7, 2006, 04:43 PM

I can send a dribble...where to? Sorry, catching up after being gone for a few days and I'm clueless.

Chester's Mom

Nov. 7, 2006, 04:44 PM

Dribble my way...I'm going to front funds first thing tomorrow!

PM me if you need to find out how to make that dribble get here.

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 04:46 PM

Ok.. Chesters Mom is in control of the cash flow... if you would like to help out please contact her ASAP as we need to get this little girl paid for first thing in the AM so AppyJmpr can pick her up right away. Clearly it is a priority to get her out of the barn she is in right now.

THEN she will come to me on the first "straight-thru" transport we can get arranged. Obviously she cannot travel commercial, as she needs to not be on the trailer for any longer than necessary.

Of course as soon as she gets here I'll be posting pics!

Edited to add: I am heading out now to feed the beasties, will be back to check messages around 5:30. Hang in there, Lou Lou!

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 7, 2006, 06:01 PM

Chester'sMom, I PM'd you.

Maple Shade

Nov. 7, 2006, 07:42 PM

If anyone is considering a last minute purchase at Suffolk and needs a ride south please call or email me asap 706-714-5666 mapleshadefarm@gmail.com . I know 2 shippers who'd consider a private run if we can fill a truck. This would make getting Lou Lou home very simple and she'd be extremly well cared for!

AppJumpr08

Nov. 7, 2006, 08:41 PM

Ok so here's the scoop: The wonderful EqTrainer has dug into her purse and come up with the money for Lou Lou's purchase, and providing the wire transfer isn't messed up, I'll be picking up Lou Lou at a bit after nine am tomorrow! She'll stay with me until she can catch a ride down South.
Are people still interested in making donations to help with her transport from New Hampshire to NC? I have no problem with picking her up, but it would be nice to help get her down to NC :yes:

Thank you to everyone who's made a contribution to this - I'm just LOFFING everyone on this board right now!! COTH Rules!!!!
:D

AHorseSomeDay

Nov. 7, 2006, 08:58 PM

That's Great!! I am so happy to hear that she will be saved. :D She looks like a really sweet mare in the picture.

AppJumper-Are you fostering her or just providing a temporary place?

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 09:05 PM

As usual, it's crazy..

I fronted the cash. Chesters Mom is in charge of collecting donations and will pick up the difference if there is one, if there is a surplus it will be applied to her shipping costs. Someone else entirely is actually paying the trainer tomorrow, and then AppyJmpr will pick her up and keep her for me until we can find her a straight ride down to NC.

Apparently it takes a village to raise one four year old OTTB. Thank you, COTH village!

jilltx

Nov. 7, 2006, 09:07 PM

EqTrainer

Nov. 7, 2006, 09:35 PM

...but the look on your face (and hers) when she finally steps off of the trailer at your barn...PRICELESS

Jilltx... that is so sweet! Maybe I can get Mr. EqT to take pics when she gets here.

I feel like I'm counting down the days to Christmas.

MGA828

Nov. 7, 2006, 10:34 PM

EQTrainer: You are such a wonderful person to take on this mare like this. I am so pleased to see that she will be saved and have a perfectly happy and safe home with you. I am going to help you out with the cash flow, you are doing such a good thing and I feel I have to help you out.

Chesters Mom: Check your PM

FalseImpression

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:28 PM

Merci....
She is a lucky girl.. now what can we do about her stablemate RG? It breaks my heart...

vxf111

Nov. 7, 2006, 11:30 PM

I have a contribution, I just need to know where to send it. Chester's Mom, you have a PT.

chai

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:49 AM

Chester's Mom, I sent you a pm. I'm still on board with my offer...just let me know when and how this will work.

EqTrainer

Nov. 8, 2006, 07:29 AM

I think Chesters Mom might be off line until Thursday AM.. so hold tight if you don't hear from her.

THANK YOU to everyone who is helping out this filly.. you don't have to know much to realize how much her rehabilitation is going to cost, so not having to absorb her (IMO outrageous!) price tag makes a big difference. But in the end, as Jilltx pointed out, I suspect we will feel she is Priceless :)

Quinn

Nov. 8, 2006, 09:05 AM

Bless your heart EqTrainer. You and all involved are wonderful.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

17handtb

Nov. 8, 2006, 10:26 AM

I did a little 'happy, happy, joy joy' (TM Ren and Stimpy) dance upon getting the message that Lou Lou was paid for and SAFE! THANK YOU to everyone - Chester's Mom, EqTrainer, AppJumpr08, MapleShade, and Doublete (who was the miracle worker of negotiations with Lou Lou's trainer) - involved in getting this courageous, kind-natured mare out of the rags and into the riches of life.

Can't wait to see photos of Lou Lou in her new element.

Barnfairy

Nov. 8, 2006, 11:30 AM

You guys are AWESOME!!!! Isn't this board amazing?

eks

Nov. 8, 2006, 04:33 PM

Chester's Mom...I sent you a PM

EqTrainer

Nov. 8, 2006, 05:27 PM

Bless your heart EqTrainer. You and all involved are wonderful.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

Now Quinn, you know that down South, "bless your heart" is not always a benign thing to say to someone.. but since it's you, I'll take as meant kindly :lol:

Yes, Lou Lou is safe at AppyJmpr's barn and we are hoping she will be able to ship late this week or early next week. AppyJmpr says she is a beautiful girl and walked right on the trailer. We cannot wait to meet her!

jilltx

Nov. 8, 2006, 05:29 PM

Oh man. You guys make me so happy. :sadsmile:

FalseImpression

Nov. 8, 2006, 05:35 PM

I feel so bad for Raw General.. How can we get him out of this trainer's barn? Can we help Canter get him?

EqTrainer

Nov. 8, 2006, 05:36 PM

I feel so bad for Raw General.. How can we get him out of this trainer's barn? Can we help Canter get him?

I *think* I heard that he has been spoken for. AppyJmpr, can you confirm?

17handtb

Nov. 8, 2006, 05:47 PM

luvmytbs

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:08 PM

For crying out loud!

But we have to stay nice - for Raw General's sake.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:30 PM

Yes, we'll be nice. In this case, the end justifies the means, no?

akrogirl

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:32 PM

I am willing to contribute to whichever horse needs the cash - Lou Lou or Raw General. I hate situations like this - grrrr.

ETA - I will be leaving tomorrow morning for a show in Tucson, but will donate when I get back if I don't hear from Chester's Mom in time. Count me in for $50.

nightsong

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:41 PM

That trainer seems to have a LOT of the "desperation" horses :mad: .

17handtb

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:45 PM

Yes, he does. :( Thank you guys for all the support and good will for the horses who most need it.

There is no reason the trainer SHOULDN'T accept the $500 for Raw General - let's just pray that, after the meet ends and the poor horse is still sitting there, he finally will. Rest assured we'll be keeping a close eye on the situation. Sometimes, though, it's a waiting game (which is so frustrating).

That trainer seems to have a LOT of the "desperation" horses :mad: .

shawneeAcres

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:47 PM

CAn anyone up there tell me about the horse Hollywood Jam?? Same trainer has him, what would his bottom dollar be (don't want to call someone I cannot understand)

17handtb

Nov. 8, 2006, 06:49 PM

Shawnee, check your PMs. I will tell you that with this trainer it's not really possible to tell what his bottom dollar will be. It all depends on his mood at the time.

CAn anyone up there tell me about the horse Hollywood Jam?? Same trainer has him, what would his bottom dollar be (don't want to call someone I cannot understand)

FalseImpression

Nov. 8, 2006, 07:00 PM

I ll keep checking here too and will send something if help is needed. Keeping fingers crossed for this good boy!

eks

Nov. 8, 2006, 07:08 PM

Shawnee, I sent you a PM...

kenbiki

Nov. 8, 2006, 07:14 PM

I think that you all are restoring my faith in humanity!

chism

Nov. 8, 2006, 07:34 PM

We had a generous person willing to purchase Raw General to save him today. He had $500 cash in hand. Carlos said he now "wants $800" and refused to even consider it...:mad:

We will try again next weekend, after the racing meet is done, in hopes things will be different.

He seems to be well versed in the art of extortion. :mad: One can only hope that karma bites him in the a** at some point.

equusrocks

Nov. 8, 2006, 07:36 PM

AppJumpr08 I sent you a PM!! ;)

Casper W. W.

Nov. 8, 2006, 07:45 PM

Having just lost my beloved Appaloosa who never showed any symptoms until he was rushed to surgery -- CANCER diagnosised by College Point, TX lab that reviewed the slides after 6 hours of surgery -- I wish I was in shape to help. He crossed the Rainbow Bridge. I loved my Appy partner so much I didn't care if he would have been rideable or not -- Surgeon said he was a medical miracle - that if 5 horses had what he did the other 4 would have been long, long gone. He looked to be in the peak of health: a bit too fat, well muscled because it was a mild winter and he arrived at the surgery and went "Oh trailer ramps don't do those and jumped from a standstill on the trailer 5 foot broad jump to the driveway. He was always a tough, strong-minded, stoic, courageous, wonderful partner.

Having said that -- I hope Lou-Lou can find a loving and caring place to rehab. How people can earn money off the backs of a horse who has a kind and willing heart, and then not do right by them boggles my mind. I never understand how people can race some of the Tbreds into the ground and then not do right by them. Lou-Lou has a kind eye, but it also looks a bit sad.

I may be able to send a small check to help Lou-Lou. I will keep reading the thread.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 8, 2006, 08:33 PM

That makes me SO MAD about the $800 for Raw General! When I was there this morning, Carlos was trying to put him on my trailer for $600. (at the time we thought he had a place to go, so I didn't take the bait). :no:
I'll tell you: of all the shed rows I've visited at Suffock in the past couple weeks, Carlos's horses were the most misreble I've seen... Most were weaving, almost all had their ears pinned and snapped at whoever walked by... and not a scrap of hay in sight. Really just heartbreaking.

Lou Lou was an absolute star today! When I was introduced to her, she put her head down and waited to be loved on. She loaded right up on my trailer, and shipped home very well - walked right into her stall, and took in her new surroundings :) She has almost no idea what to do with hay - started eating the wood shavings instead. But I think she's starting to figure out what it's for :)
I set up her fractured leg with poultice this afternoon, and the whole time I was tending to her, she just rested her muzzle on my head :sadsmile: She is such a love! I can't wait to hear how she settles in to her new, warmer home!

I'll try to take some pictures tomorrow (it's pouring rain today) - she is just lovely, and will be breathtaking once she puts on some much needed weight!!! :)

EqTrainer

Nov. 8, 2006, 08:54 PM

Having said that -- I hope Lou-Lou can find a loving and caring place to rehab. How people can earn money off the backs of a horse who has a kind and willing heart, and then not do right by them boggles my mind. I never understand how people can race some of the Tbreds into the ground and then not do right by them. Lou-Lou has a kind eye, but it also looks a bit sad.

I may be able to send a small check to help Lou-Lou. I will keep reading the thread.

Casper, I am very sorry to hear about your horse. I am, however, happy to tell you that Lou Lou will be coming to my farm just as soon as we can find a straight-thru ride for her... she is now my baby - with a lot of COTH aunties and uncles!

EqTrainer

Nov. 8, 2006, 08:56 PM

Thank you again, AppyJmpr, for taking such good care of our baby Lou Lou...

after reading what happened with Raw General I realize how lucky we are that Lou walked on that $500.00. Thank God she is with you.

What do we do now for Raw General?

nightsong

Nov. 8, 2006, 11:11 PM

Wait, and see what mood Carlos is in next? Remember, he was $600 this morning and $800 later in the day.

FalseImpression

Nov. 8, 2006, 11:13 PM

how at the same racetrack there can be wonderful trainers who care about their horses (ie Noboxwine's) and some like Lou Lou's and RG's who obviously do not care at all about them, except to make money off of them. Obviously, some owners do not care or do not supervise at all. Isn't there anything like peer pressure between trainers or just "if your horses are not well cared for, they won't win" type of attitude?
I have never been at a racetrack and absolutely do not know the ins and outs, but I am appalled at RG's situation. Please tell me that it is scarce nowadays, that most trainers at the big tracks really want the best for the horses in their care?

millwrightmomma

Nov. 8, 2006, 11:52 PM

OK, I gotta plan. :D
Go see the scumbag trainer that is holding General for more ransom with a bottle of booze or a 12 of beer.
Keep cash in hand out of sight, until said beverage is guzzled.
Produce cash, walk with horse :D

Will it work?

Wish I had more cash on hand to help out, I'm getting 3 in here, in the few days.

I'm Broke :(

Loo Lou's new owner : I have an OTTB from Fort Erie that broke her knee.
Stall rest, then moving around at her leisure . 8 months later we we riding her, she has been retrained and does w/t/c/ just fine.
Time, give her time :)

MoonBallad

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:16 AM

EqTrainer;
Where are you in NC? I'll make some calls and see if I can help to find her ride.

mroades

Nov. 9, 2006, 07:32 AM

App....thats funny...just what Te Amo did when he got in the stall. he ate the walls and the shavings instead of the lush timothy in the hayrack....lol

He is coming home monday...I am so excited...now that he is only half a man he can live with me!

EqTrainer

Nov. 9, 2006, 07:41 AM

EqTrainer;
Where are you in NC? I'll make some calls and see if I can help to find her ride.

Thank you :) but Margaret has arranged for her to get a "straight shot" down here on a full trailer, thank you, Margaret! Now to pay for it, it's going to be about $500.00.. but she needs to come straight down, and that's a really good price (more kind and generous people, thank you, thank you!) so we will "get 'er done"!

LessonLearned

Nov. 9, 2006, 08:21 AM

Does RG need money? If so where can we send some?

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 08:51 AM

Thanks to all who have PM'd me about helping; I have replied to everyone (I hope) with info on where to send donations. If its ok with all, once we finish covering Lou Lou's price & travel I think the rest should go into a fund for Raw General....what do you think?

Also, if he is paid for does he have somewhere to go?

akrogirl

Nov. 9, 2006, 09:05 AM

I am all in favor of any surplus going to RG.

vxf111

Nov. 9, 2006, 09:06 AM

Chester's Mom, I sent my donation in via paypal. I didn't put it in the message, but if we cover Lou Lou's purchase and transportation I have no problem with the money gonig towards RG.

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 09:10 AM

thank you Veronica! i got the donation and you can now ignore my PM!

akrogirl

Nov. 9, 2006, 09:27 AM

Chester's Mom: my donation should be in your paypal account :-)

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 09:37 AM

Chester's Mom: my donation should be in your paypal account :-)

got it! thanks very much! I'll total everything at end of day and post here where we stand....

17handtb

Nov. 9, 2006, 12:14 PM

Thanks again to everyone on COTH. What a dedicated and caring group here...

Re: Raw General: It's a delicate situation. He is not going to let him go for under $800 at the moment, because he thinks there will be a crowd of buyers coming this weekend waving wads of cash at him; I think he also knows people are worried about the horse, and is taking advantage of that as much as possible. :sigh:

If we wait until after the weekend and then re-offer the $500....he will need to ship out soon...hoping the Light of Reason will shine and we can get Raw General out of there into the safe placement awaiting him.

equusrocks

Nov. 9, 2006, 12:17 PM

:mad: If I were closer, I'd make a visit just to kick him square in the, well...shins. Then I'd tell him to quit whining and let some happiness into his life. I feel badly for this owner (how can you be that selfish and uncaring?), but I still think he's a royal turd...To say it politely. All at the same time.

I feel even worse for his horses though. :(

Louise

Nov. 9, 2006, 12:21 PM

Unfortunately, its a fact of life at most of these tracks. 17handtb, I sincerely hope that this trainer comes to his senses and lets Raw General go to a new home.

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:16 PM

Be prepared to pay just over meat price the first of next week and have a place ready to whisk him away to??

17handtb: will the buyer who tried with $500 still be available later?

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:19 PM

What a pig. Makes me wish I'd had the $600 to take him yesterday morning!!
Ok. So. After this weekend, let me know if the little dear needs a ride. If the buyer who showed up yesterday can't take him, he has a place here (either at my barn, or at my friend's place) until we can find him a lifetime home :)

EqTrainer

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:23 PM

As of right now, Lou Lou's pick up will be on Wednesday.

Check this out! She is the star of this three ring circus - they are going to load her LAST, and she has her own private ramp to her own private slot at the front of the trailer .. and then they are going to get here just as fast as they can and unload her first.

Thank you Margaret/Mapleshade for coordinating this!

Jessica, how is the girl doing today? Figured out that hay tastes better than shavings?!!!!

FalseImpression

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:31 PM

for LouLou!!! She is one lucky girl!
Let's jingle that RG gets the same kind of lucky break!! should we start pledging/sending $$ for him so that we are ready to grab him and run?

This story really really tugs at my heart!! and I know you really like him 17hands...

chai

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:39 PM

I just came back from my walk...it's sooo humid in MA today...gross! The good news is I stopped by the Post Office to send you a priority letter with my donation to a very noble cause. Watch the mail and please keep us posted on the little cutie.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:43 PM

EqTrainer - she is wonderful! She figured out that if she pushed her hay into the aisle of the barn she could hang out with the other girls (Chunk of Coal and Witto Road who have stalls across the aisle) and watch the world go by :lol::D I'm about to go down to the barn and change her poultice, and perhaps let her graze a bit if she'll do it quietly :)
How fantastic about her transport - she'll be treated like the princess she is!! :)

eks

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:46 PM

Chester's Mom,

I just paypaled my $ to your account. Let's hope we can all help to rescue RG too! Thanks!

Norcrest

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:50 PM

I have gotten quite a few of Carlo's mares over the past few years and also mares from other tracks who didnt know what hay was and wanted to eat anything (including their stalls) instead of hay. I just wanted to pass along what I have done and what has worked....a haynet seems to work well...some of these horses are only used to eating hay when its off the ground..even though they have no problem eating their bedding, I have also fed hay in the feed tub with grain on it and finally a section of hay on the ground with grain sprinkled on it. The haynet seemed to work the best and I would lower it over time until it was nearly on the ground, then I put the hay in the same corner where the haynet was. Some of these horses also dont know what grass is...they will stand for hours outside with cushy grass under their feet and never take a bite..but if you handgraze them they eat?

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:53 PM

Norcrest -
Thanks!! Lou Lou seems to have figured it out, but it's good information to have for anyone taking a horse from someone like Carlos :) It was so sad - both Lou Lou and Abby (Witto Road) had such a small amount of food in their systems when I picked them up that there was no manure in the trailer when they arrived home...and none in their stalls until a good 5 hours after they arrived and ate their first flake of hay. It's just not right for a horse's bowel to be that empty!!

jilltx

Nov. 9, 2006, 01:58 PM

I won't even get started on how people can be allowed to treat animals like that...

Anyway, good to hear about Lou Lou. :) I certainly hope COTH can work it's magic for RG. :sadsmile:

I am in LOVE with Line Of Duty. I wishes were horses...!

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:04 PM

Chester's Mom,

I just paypaled my $ to your account. Let's hope we can all help to rescue RG too! Thanks!

Thanks, got it! Reminder...I'll be updating our totals before I leave work today (I only have a computer at work) and we'll see how we're doing....

Thanks to all for your support, monetary and otherwise!!

SueCoo2

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:10 PM

Does anyone know what the status of this mare is? I think she is just the cutest mare I've seen in a while. Where is she?

jilltx

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:13 PM

I agree Suecoo. What a nice mare. :yes: She just has "something" that translates even on film.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:26 PM

You guys are just awesome!

17handtb

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:36 PM

The buyer who was there yesterday has committed to the $500 for RG at any time. And there is a safe spot waiting for him (though logistics to get him there are still being worked out).

We'll be coming to the track this weekend ready to do battle!

It's really hard because as much as we all want to save RG (who I admit has my heart...he truly WOULD be home with me if I had the stall/$ for another horse)...we can't set a dangerous precedent with this trainer. If he thinks he can extort well-meaning people into giving him outrageous amounts of money for injured horses, it will open Pandora's Box for all future horses needing to get out of his barn.

Be prepared to pay just over meat price the first of next week and have a place ready to whisk him away to??

17handtb: will the buyer who tried with $500 still be available later?

17handtb

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:38 PM

She is LOVELY and she is also a tremendous athlete. She comes out of her stall head up, eyes bright, looking around like, "Where are we going? What do you need me to do?"

She is in very good shape and has an owner who really loves her. It's hard for him to sell her but he is forced to by his situation (he was badly hurt in an accident - a loose horse collided with him at the track, yikes! - and has been out of work).

She is still at Suffolk but needs to leave soon as the track is closing. Give her owner a call. He loves to talk about her and I'm sure he can tell you all you need to know about her.

Does anyone know what the status of this mare is? I think she is just the cutest mare I've seen in a while. Where is she?

Sabovee

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:49 PM

EqTrainer- Just wanted to say - I had a boy with a slab fracture, he's rehabbed great and is now schooling 4th level dressage. NO adverse affects from his - he did require surgery and a nice long layup but it was well worth the wait ;)

17handtb

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:53 PM

FI, I think you will find this, as Louise alluded to, at most tracks. There's a huge gap between the excellent care many trainers provide their racehorses, and the lacking care a small but unfortunately present minority give (or don't give).

I will say that the good trainers at the track (which are most of those we deal with) are well aware of who is not so good. And they don't approve, either...but in general, hands are tied.

how at the same racetrack there can be wonderful trainers who care about their horses (ie Noboxwine's) and some like Lou Lou's and RG's who obviously do not care at all about them, except to make money off of them. Obviously, some owners do not care or do not supervise at all. Isn't there anything like peer pressure between trainers or just "if your horses are not well cared for, they won't win" type of attitude?
I have never been at a racetrack and absolutely do not know the ins and outs, but I am appalled at RG's situation. Please tell me that it is scarce nowadays, that most trainers at the big tracks really want the best for the horses in their care?

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:55 PM

What a cute little mare!

http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/LittleMissMary.jpg

sounds like her trainer will take care of her till a new owner comes?

halla

Nov. 9, 2006, 02:59 PM

Must.. stop....reading this thread.... Little Miss Mary is adorable, I *want* her :) And a horse right now would be so stupid of me, let alone a project horse... gah! You will all incite me into doing something rash, lol

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 03:19 PM

halla

Nov. 9, 2006, 03:24 PM

I am currently trying to rationalize this... which is bad, very very bad! If I could drive, and consequently had a choice of more than maybe 5 barns that are no doubt all full (and/or very lacking in turnout), I think I'd be in big trouble here....

Barnfairy

Nov. 9, 2006, 03:29 PM

You guys are my heros.

17handtb is absolutely right -- we must be patient and shrewd, and not let our hearts get in the way. Carlos is just doing what any cunning business man would do, trying to make as much $$ as he can (we just all wish it wasn't ultimately at the horses' expense!!!)

It's also very important that we don't publically bash trainers like this, even though our views are so different:

Remember, if trainers catch wind of derogatory and slanderous remarks being made about them on the internet, they very well may refuse to do any business at all with the Little Girl Brigade and instead opt for the knacker man, who passes no negative judgment.

I just found out very unexpectedly that I have tomorrow and Saturday off -- if anybody needs trailering in the NH/northern MA area, I will be available...

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 04:00 PM

Its the same way in the bird business too; you shop the first day of the sale for selection and the last day for price. Probably that way in any business. It would be nice to think that every trainer could see an offer as "fair" and go for it, but, as they say, if wishes were horses.....

Chester's Mom

Nov. 9, 2006, 04:13 PM

I'm headed out of here to pick up my cairn terrier from surgery, and then to the doctor myself for this cough that won't go away.

We have PayPal receipts totaling $275 from today, plus over $100 pledged thru snail mail.

We are getting there!

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 04:22 PM

Chesters mom - yay! Great news!

And here's a link to some pictures of Lou Lou: http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2946737720047997541nAHxUH?vhost=pets

She really is a lovely girl :)

17handtb

Nov. 9, 2006, 04:30 PM

Awww, LOU LOU. :sadsmile: Great shots. Look how happy she is...and that eye! I realize I sound a bit "Pretty Pony-ized" here...;) - but how kind is her eye? Isn't it remarkable?

Bless you - AppJumpr, for your tireless trips and generous willingness to help so many of these horses; Chester's Mom for stepping up to the plate and helping raise the necessary funds; EqTrainer for giving this thin and sad little mare the wonderful home she deserves (I can't wait to see what she looks like in 6 months!); MapleShade and Doublete for setting up the transport to get her home safely; and the awesome COTHers who never get tired of these pleas for help, and never turn away from a horse in need.

I'm getting very Mike Myers verklempt, so I'll stop...but...you all deserve a standing ovation!

P.S. Chester's Mom...hope you and doggie soon feel better!

P.P.S. EqTrainer...would Lou Lou like a Jolly Snack Ball to help her stay occupied during her stall rest? I had bought one for my mare when she had surgery over the summer, but she ended up not needing stall rest, so it's still brand new and waiting for a recipient. :)

Chesters mom - yay! Great news!

And here's a link to some pictures of Lou Lou: http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2946737720047997541nAHxUH?vhost=pets

She really is a lovely girl :)

EqTrainer

Nov. 9, 2006, 04:31 PM

OMG! There she is! And she is so lovely! Thank you Jessica, you are so wonderful to take the time to poultice her and handgraze her and let her get out in the sunshine...

I am overwhelmed with gratitude to everyone.

FalseImpression

Nov. 9, 2006, 05:16 PM

She is beautiful.. and so lucky!! Good job!

kirstuva

Nov. 9, 2006, 05:21 PM

Bump Bump, there's another mare with this same awful-sounding trainer who, from a second-hand description from assistant trainer needs a new job. Has an osselet, but she's gorgeous and just needs a rest! Sounds like she hates racing and hurts all over. Take a look--she's even grey!!
http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale...urDestiny2.jpg

17handtb

Nov. 9, 2006, 05:31 PM

Raw General update: Word on the street now is, trainer may be getting antsy about all the horses he has left, upon seeing several other trainers sell theirs today (hmmmmm)...and may be willing to be a wee bit more reasonable.

So, since AppJumpr08 and her friend are planning to be at the track tomorrow - we're going to dive in and try to launch "OGRG" (Operation Get Raw General). App and I are meeting up tomorrow morning, armed with $600 ($500 from the thwarted donor who came yesterday, plus a little extra) and App's trailer. She and her friend have generously offered RG a place to stay until he can go to his eventual rescue destination (travel arrangements still TBD).

Please jingle that things will go smoothly so he can get out safe and sound!

And yes, all of the other horses from RG and Lou Lou's trainer still need homes (there has been some interest in Guerdon and If It's Our Destiny, so keep your fingers crossed for them)...supposedly he wants to cut deals now, and he especially likes package deals, if anyone is eyeing a duo or trio!

jilltx

Nov. 9, 2006, 05:32 PM

*sniff* she's sooooooooooo pretty! :sadsmile: THanks for posting them Appjumr.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 05:39 PM

I'm only to happy to pass along how cheerful she is :) If she only knew how many people have chipped in to help her to her new life! :sadsmile:

Wish us luck for tomorrow morning!!

kirstuva

Nov. 9, 2006, 05:53 PM

Good Luck tomorrow, I'll have everything crossed! We're getting one next week, she's coming on the "Southern Express" with Lou Lou (I guess it would more appropriately be named the "Lou Lou Express" since she's the princess;)), so excited!

17handtb

Nov. 9, 2006, 05:58 PM

Ooooh! Who are ya gettin', Kirstuva?

AppJumpr, thanks for making yet another ride tomorrow...do they have frequent flyer miles for Suffolk Downs rescue trips? :)

Good Luck tomorrow, I'll have everything crossed! We're getting one next week, she's coming on the "Southern Express" with Lou Lou (I guess it would more appropriately be named the "Lou Lou Express" since she's the princess;)), so excited!

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 06:03 PM

Ooooh! Who are ya gettin', Kirstuva?

AppJumpr, thanks for making yet another ride tomorrow...do they have frequent flyer miles for Suffolk Downs rescue trips? :)

LOL well it's actually kinda cool... even my truck knows the way to Suffock by heart at this point, so I just point it down 93, and away we go!! :lol::lol:

Yeah Kirstuva, I want to know too!! hehe Share share! :)

JMK

Nov. 9, 2006, 06:24 PM

Hey Kirstuva - I know you! I should be driving to the farm to load up for the show tomorrow, and instead just had to check the boards one last time:)
Pasteur won't enjoy working at midnight, but then neither will I!

So to answer 17handTB & AppJumpr, we're bringing the mare Double Torsion to our farm - she wasn't listed but lovely Katie pointed me in her direction. Anyone seen her in person? Always scary buying one off a little camera phone pic :winkgrin:

Of course Destiny is still calling to me - so please someone take her! I have too many as it is, but am such a sucker for a sad eye!

kirstuva

Nov. 9, 2006, 06:29 PM

Her name is Double Torsion (I think?). She wasn't listed. She's a pretty grey mare, 16H 5yo and that's all I know ;) I am not actually buying her, but she's coming to my barn. We have a bunch of OTTB's of all ages that are now show Hunters and the BO just can't seem to get enough! I can't blame her, they are pretty darn cute.
AppJumpr, maybe you'll see her since she'll already be loaded when they come to you to get Lou Lou (she's getting picked up from you last, right?). Then you'll see her before we do!! Give her some kisses for us, we can't wait until she gets here. I can't imagine what we'll call her, what a name! Doto? JK, that doesn't sound very nice ;)

kirstuva

Nov. 9, 2006, 06:31 PM

Yes! Everyone help convince JMK that Destiny should come to us too! I LOVE her, and what's one more?! ;)

JMK--Pasteur will love a midnight ride, of course.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 06:35 PM

Oh Cool :) Katie mentioned her to me when I called her this morning :) I'll certainly try to catch a glimpse when Lou Lou loads up! I'm sure she's lovely... and you must make it a matched pair and take Destiny too!!! :yes::D

vxf111

Nov. 9, 2006, 06:50 PM

<<Double Torsion>>

Call her "Twist."

:)

JMK

Nov. 9, 2006, 07:00 PM

Twist is so cute!
As long as she doesn't turn out to be a "twisted sister" ;)

luvmytbs

Nov. 9, 2006, 07:14 PM

Good luck tomorrow morning for you and Raw General. I will be sending lots of positive vibed from KY.

We should get a list together of all the TB's that were adopted by COTHERS in just the past few weeks.

You guys all rock. And I vote they should give AppJumper a permanent pass for the backside! :yes:

Ted the Peep 'Ho

Nov. 9, 2006, 07:22 PM

I think all of you are terrific. You never regret adopting an OTTB. We are the best.

Maple Shade

Nov. 9, 2006, 07:59 PM

Quick update-
The Lou Lou Express is getting much interest from us Southern COTHERS :) It appears we may need a second truck ! So, I know someone who may be able to do it. PLease email or call asap if you want a ride! 706-714-5666 mapleshadefarm@gmail.com
Also, the mare with the little crooked face was adopted by our own Doublete/Katie. She will be on her way to broodmare heaven in the next week or so.
Katie has been working TIRELESSLY to help anyone who needs it . She will house horses waiting on trucks and has the time to do it. If you need help just email or call me and I'll hook you up with Katie (she has no computer access).

eks

Nov. 9, 2006, 07:59 PM

It is awesome to see so many people coming together to help these horses.

AppJumpr you are awesome for all that you are doing and have offered to do to help people get these horses into good homes. Lou Lou looks like such a sweetheart...Best of luck tomorrow with RG..I'll be crossing my fingers for you...I hope someone takes Destiny. What a beauty she is.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 9, 2006, 08:21 PM

Margaret - that is GREAT news!!! And I second the kudos to Katie - when I showed up yesterday to pick up Lou Lou, she was running around in the rain taking pictures and looking at horses for everyone that called. :)

Thank you all for your nice comments, but it's really just so easy to do knowing that the horses are going to live long and healthy lives!! :)

luvmytbs

Nov. 9, 2006, 08:28 PM

Margaret,

wasn't your boy supposed to be coming in today?

Norcrest

Nov. 9, 2006, 08:40 PM

AppJumpr...awesome job! I wish I was closer to help even more.

Mapleshade..If Katie hasnt already given you my phone# please PM me and I will get it right over to you.

I am so excited for LouLou and Double Torsion...my filly raced against them both and they are such pretty girls.

I am running to Suffolk early next week to pick up Secret Fantasy and bring her to meet her "man" for next year..if anyone needs a ride from Suffolk into NY please let me know.

KUDOS to everyone for all the last minute negotiations, planning ect to get these horses to safe landing spots!!

Finally..if you call Katie in the morning and she doesnt answer she is training until about 10am and will be busy but she will call you back so leave a message.

17hTB I shouldnt ask you this but what can you tell me about Pop Tucker? (I'd ask Katie but she'd kill me)

Maple Shade

Nov. 9, 2006, 09:34 PM

Norcrest- BUY HIM! You know you want to :lol:
LMTB- We are in shipping trauma. The kill Pen big boy got royally screwed. He left Christie's at 6:30 last night and is current on a truck on Long Island. My supposedly direct haul got rearranged without my permission or any notice. Poor horse is going to take 48 hours to get from PA to GA! My Suffolk boys left around 12:30 and will be here tomorrow. I can't wait to meet them all!

luvmytbs

Nov. 9, 2006, 09:47 PM

Man that sucks, MS.
At least he is young and healthy.
You might want to get the video camera ready for when he gets to freedom, :D

I so can't wait to see all the pix of your new babies!!!!!

Maple Shade

Nov. 9, 2006, 10:00 PM

LMTB- Me too :D

FalseImpression

Nov. 9, 2006, 11:30 PM

Jingles, jingles to get RG!! I am glad the trainer is finally seeing the light!!! Let's hope he gets blinded!! Good luck to all of you and thank you so much AppJumpr, MS and all the others!! Wow! What a team effort, but I guess you are so pumped up to help those horses.. it must feel so good! I feel good and I don't to anything, just read and post!!

jolise

Nov. 10, 2006, 12:08 AM

Does anyone know if Catch a Rabbit and Ivyrun found new homes?

equusrocks

Nov. 10, 2006, 12:53 AM

Catch a Rabbit did, don't know about the other, I *loffed* Catch a Rabbit. I sooo wanted to take her home, but I"m glad she found one anyway. :yes:

AppJumpr08

Nov. 10, 2006, 05:45 AM

I don't believe Ivyrun is on the website anymore.. Loffed the look of that boy! ;) He actually looks very much like my first OTTB who I've had for 4 1/2 years :)

Maple Shade

Nov. 10, 2006, 06:35 AM

Ivy Run is going to Columbia , SC to the Pony Club world :) Trying to get him a ride too ! :lol:

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 10, 2006, 10:17 AM

I sent my dribble this AM!

17handtb

Nov. 10, 2006, 10:37 AM

:cool: Raw General is paid for and will leave Suffolk Downs later this morning on the AppJumpr08 Express (escorted by Barnfairy and their other OTTB-loving friend, Elizabeth). I got to meet everyone this morning and they are just as nice in person as they are on COTH!

RG's trainer took $600 and wasn't too bad about it...all things considered.

Unfortunately, he listed a new horse who is in some peril, and to make it even harder, is an absolute darling (AppJumpr and Barnfairy can attest):

His name is Consequential and he is an 8-year-old gelding, 16 hands, chestnut with a blaze and tall stockings. He has BIG front ankles, with yucky scabs on them, but they appear cold and set. He would make a really sweet trail/husband horse. Price is $700 now - likely to be $500 within a day or two. PT me if you'd like details. Mr. 17handtb graciously escorted me to the track this AM, possibly to ensure *I* was not buying Raw General for myself :lol: and took some photos that he'll send me in a little bit, so I'll post Consequential's pic when I have it.

Other updates:

-Carlos also listed 2 new horses that seem quite nice; a handsome liver chestnut gelding who is over at the knee but doesn't appear unsound ($1000), and a big, beautiful near-black mare ($2500) whose legs look clean. Will have pics in a bit.

-Hollywood Jam is now $1000. He has some swelling in one front ankle and is stocked up, so he will need some time off ... but he is a beaut!

-Pop Tucker is $500 to a good home (not to tempt you, Norcrest ;))

FalseImpression

Nov. 10, 2006, 10:56 AM

Thank you, thank you!!
But more from same trainer!! Argh...
You are all so great!

luvmytbs

Nov. 10, 2006, 11:55 AM

yippee, yippee happy dance and happy tears!

You guys are just the best!!!!!!!

AppJumpr, thanks for all those trips!!!!!

Norcrest

Nov. 10, 2006, 01:16 PM

17hTB I was on the phone with Katie when you were discussing RG with Carlos...wow you have the patience of a saint...sorry but I will admit I was laughing!

No I do not need Pop Tucker..but dang it..he is welllll bred.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 10, 2006, 02:34 PM

RG is all settled in at Elizabeth's place, along with Jazzbit whom Elizabeth fell in love with :)
I'm off to rewrap Lou Lou before I go to work, but had to drop in and post :)

Thank you Catherine - it was great to finally MEET you!!! :D

Barnfairy

Nov. 10, 2006, 02:51 PM

Good news: it's official, Raw General has left the track!!! And not a moment to soon. :)

He was a little hesitant to get on the trailer until he saw that there was HAY in there (remember hay, big fella?) and then he was instantly happy. 'Not a peep out of him for the rest of the trip.

I sure do hope that someone picks up Consequential this weekend. He'll need some TLC for those fresh cuts on his ankles, but his 10+++ temperament will make it well worth it. 'Easily husband- or children's horse material after a break & time away from the track.

Kudos to 17handtb and Doublete for their continued efforts to negotiate with this trainer, who found it pertinent to inquire of me as to whether or not my "chompers" (aka TEETH) are "real"...:rolleyes:

Barnfairy

Nov. 10, 2006, 09:59 PM

*bumping* for Consequential

16 hands, 5 years old, and look how cute!:

http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/Consequential.jpg

tbtrailrider

Nov. 10, 2006, 10:09 PM

*bumping* for Consequential

16 hands, 5 years old, and look how cute!:

http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/Consequential.jpg

I looked this guy up on the pedigree database, he is by Charasmatic:eek:

Bred by Will Farrish (Lane's End Farm) HUGE farm here in Ky...

tbtrailrider

Nov. 10, 2006, 10:40 PM

About Consequential....

Bob Baffert was the agent for the buyer...

Keeneland September 2002 Yearling Sale

1202 CH .C. Charismatic -- Color of Gold Bob Baffert, Agent $180,000.00

I sent an email to Lane's End...I may send one to Mr. Baffert as well!

drew

Nov. 11, 2006, 12:06 AM

Consequential has the most impressive dam side that I've seen from a Suffolk horse.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 11, 2006, 12:42 AM

Someone HAS to go and get Consequential! He literally pushed his head between my arm and body today to cuddle... he is a DOLL who really deserves a chance!!! Elizabeth has been talking about him non stop since we got home, but her daughter (and business partner) is already upset enough about Jazzbit... :D;) He really is a steal for someone looking for a quiet and sweet buddy!!!

Norcrest

Nov. 11, 2006, 12:08 PM

tbtrailrider

Nov. 11, 2006, 12:20 PM

someone must get Pop Tucker! thanks to 17hTB I am now also pickingup Act Natural and I dont think 2 fillies on a trailer with a colt is a good idea for 8 hours!!! but then again I have done stranger things in my younger days

Put vicks in his nose (nostrils). He won't be able to smell her.
It's gonna be "off the hook" when I get more room, there will OTTB's coming out of the walls.

ctjumpers

Nov. 11, 2006, 02:11 PM

anyone for pop tucker, i would really love to find a way myself! TRUST ME I AM WORKING ON IT! but any updates on him????

i already have a boston canter baby from a few years back and he is the greatest thing on four legs, you would never know he was a race horse!

ctjumpers

Nov. 11, 2006, 03:26 PM

ANY WORD!!!!

17handtb

Nov. 11, 2006, 03:47 PM

Guys...Ellen and I just got back from the track.

Very good news:
-Consequential and Hollywood Jam both went home with a big-hearted woman
-Little Miss Mary, Skipping My Trial, and Winchendon Prince all found homes

Also, Pop Tucker's trainer is taking him home to his farm in RI. He's still for sale but not in any danger. (owner admitted he "has a soft spot for him")

VERY BAD NEWS:

-Banker's Red (http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/BankersRed.JPG), Tactical Al, (http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/TacticalAl.JPG) Puddle Time (http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/PuddleTime.jpg), and a third filly - not on the web site, a sweet 2-year-old with knee chips named Nudge Naomi - are all in immediate jeopardy. (Banker's Red and Tactical Al are both on the owner's farm in Swansea, MA; Nudge Naomi and Puddle Time are still at the track.)

Banker's Red, Tactical Al, and the 2-year-old are due to be picked up by the meat dealer in a couple of days (the trainer agreed to give us 2 days to place them, but has already given Naomi's papers to the dealer, who offered $500 for all 3 horses, total...trainer confirmed dealer will be taking them to auction.)

Puddle Time has not been sold to the dealer yet, but must move ASAP.

If anyone can help, please call the trainer ASAP....if you need assistance, call Ellen at 781-354-6291; I have to hop a flight for a business trip tonight though I will be on e-mail later so you can PT any time after 8 PM, but best to call Ellen in a jam, as time is limited.

TACTICAL AL (http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/TacticalAl.JPG):
TRAINER-OWNED STALLION, Gray, 16.1 hands, 10 years old
"Tactical Al" is an attractive, classic-looking TB stallion who could make a very nice sporthorse sire crossed with draft, QH, or Appy mares! Was a very good racehorse and has much quality to pass along. Does have old osselets (ankle calcification). Price: $200 OBO, may be a giveaway. On the farm in Swansea, MA. Call Lori Lockhart, 508-951-2385; if you don't reach her, call Lloyd Lockhart at 617-852-4166 and tell him you must speak to Lori ASAP about Tactical Al
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/tactical+al

PUDDLE TIME (http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/PuddleTime.jpg):
TRAINER-OWNED STALLION, Chestnut, 15.1 hands, 8 years old
"Puddle Time" would make a fantastic sport pony sire; he's awfully cute and very nicely put together. Sweet and cuddly...loves to be hugged and to get kisses! This boy is athletic and attractive; will make a great sire for someone, or geld him and show him on the flat (he does have an old ankle, so no jumping). Price: $200 OBO, may be a giveaway. At Suffolk Downs. Call Lori at 508-951-2385; if you don't reach her, call Lloyd Lockhart at 617-852-4166 and tell him you must speak to Lori ASAP about Puddle Time
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/puddle+time

BANKER'S RED: (http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/BankersRed.JPG)
TRAINER-OWNED FILLY, Liver chestnut, 15.3 hands, 3 years old
"Banker's Red" is a very nicely proportioned youngster with some classy breeding: granddaughter of both the legendary Forty Niner and the champion handicapper Explosive Red! She does have screws in her right cannon bone, so may not be suited to strenuous work such as jumping or eventing. She should be fine as a light riding horse on the flat, and what a NICE sporthorse mom she'll be with her coloring, conformation, and pedigree! Price: $200 OBO, may be a giveaway. On the farm in Swansea, MA. Call Lori at 508-951-2385; if you don't reach her, call Lloyd Lockhart at 617-852-4166 and tell him you must speak to Lori ASAP about Banker's Red
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/bankers+red

NUDGE NAOMI: 15.3 hand bay filly, 2 years old, really sweet - chips in knee, likely to only be a broodmare/companion prospect. Price: $200 OBO, may be a giveaway. Call Lori at 508-951-2385; if you don't reach her, call Lloyd Lockhart at 617-852-4166 and tell him you must speak to Lori ASAP about Nudge Naomi
Pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/nudge+naomi

hunt_jumpfl

Nov. 11, 2006, 04:42 PM

I hope that this is not inappropriate to ask (given the danger these horses are in), but do you know anything about Tactical Al's soundness? I know it says he has osselets (I don't know much about these).

HobbyHorseLabradors

Nov. 11, 2006, 04:42 PM

"Jade Dancer", is in desperate need of a home ASAP!
"cute little mare who has a brand new flesh wound on her pastern, but was going sound before she clipped herself racing the other day"
This horse has a beautiful pedigree, check it out!
http://www.pedigreequery.com/jade+dancer2
Has to move by Weds. this week, or will go to auction!!
May be a giveaway, call Monica at 617 913 6872

17handtb

Nov. 11, 2006, 04:45 PM

Hi Hunt_Jump,

We have not seen him since last year, but his ankles are quite large. He may be OK for flatwork but is not a jumping candidate.

I hope that this is not inappropriate to ask (given the danger these horses are in), but do you know anything about Tactical Al's soundness? I know it says he has osselets (I don't know much about these).

HobbyHorseLabradors

Nov. 11, 2006, 04:51 PM

I just got off the phone with Lori about Al.
He has large ankles and will most likely only be pasture sound.
He is GELDED, not a stallion anymore!!
Does that help? Anyone want a SWEET, beautiful boy for a companion?
Trainer said would be okay to sit on and MAYBE light trail riding and sweet enough to be nice pet!!
He needs to move NOW, word from other sources is the killer buyer is picking him tomorrow, along with the other 3 listed above, if no one wants him!!
Lori is willing to ship him to the track tomorrow morning if someone wants him!!!!

Bogie

Nov. 11, 2006, 05:43 PM

Bump

Wish I had a place to put one of them!

AppJumpr08

Nov. 11, 2006, 05:49 PM

Oh how awful! Please someone help them!! I don't have any open stalls right now, otherwise I'd be doing something about it myself!

Alagirl

Nov. 11, 2006, 05:51 PM

She has no ears!

Just KIDDING!!!!:cool:

Bump

chai

Nov. 11, 2006, 05:57 PM

17HTB, sent you a pm...important

Chester's Mom, I sent it Priority on Friday morning so it should be there Monday. Will you let me know if it arrived safe and sound?

17handtb

Nov. 11, 2006, 06:05 PM

Chai, PM received and responded to, thank you!

Unfortunately what these horses really need are places to go. Even if we had $ to buy them, we have nowhere to put them...:( I also think the trainer(s) will give the horses away if they move soon.

It LOOKS like we have placement for Tactical Al. Working on possibilities for Nudge Naomi and Banker's Red.

Jade Dancer and Puddle Time still are in need.

Leah A

Nov. 11, 2006, 06:15 PM

Well, I can offer purchase price and a home but its the shipping all the way to Alberta....

So frustrating to see all these horses in need but not able to DO anything due to distance!

17handtb

Nov. 11, 2006, 06:21 PM

MORE COTH MAGIC!

Wonderful COTHer Horsea is giving a home to Nudge Naomi (as well as Guerdon) :sadsmile:

Tactical Al is safe

That leaves Puddle Time, Jade Dancer, and Banker's Red.

tbtrailrider

Nov. 11, 2006, 06:27 PM

I have one horse, in a 100 by 60 dry lot (which is mud right now) no stalls, and the lot is one strand of electric tape. No shelter until the first of December. I am getting a Shelter Logic run in then. This is probably not good enough for one of these guys, huh? Not to mention the fact that I am in Kentucky.I have no funds to buy one of these guys, but I am gonna stick my neck out here and say that if you guys think one of these horses would be ok in that situation, and you can get them down here...I will take one. Banjo needs a buddy.A gelding or a filly.

17handtb

Nov. 11, 2006, 06:40 PM

That is very kind of you, Tbtrailrider! Unfortunately, even if we had the funds for shipping to KY, time is ticking so fast...these guys need to move in the next 24 hours.

But thank you for being so generous. It's very nice of you.

tbtrailrider

Nov. 11, 2006, 06:43 PM

AHorseSomeDay

Nov. 11, 2006, 08:47 PM

I wish I had the money to keep a horse. I can afford to buy an OTTB but it's the upkeep that is really expensive. It really stinks. :( I hope they find a home soon. I will be keeping my fingers crossed for those poor horses. :(

smilton

Nov. 11, 2006, 08:57 PM

I have three open stalls but I am in Virginia.

luvmytbs

Nov. 12, 2006, 07:28 AM

bump

Tikigator

Nov. 12, 2006, 08:00 AM

I'm in the same boat as alot of others...willing to offer a home, but I live waaaay down in FL. the cost of shipping would be more than what they would let the horse sell for. :sigh:

I think the other problem too, as far as other people purchasing out of state buying an "at risk horse" is that even if they take $400 for the horse, you pay $500-600 to ship it down and then someone just spent $1000 on an unsound horse...where they could've spent a little more and gotten one that is sound. you know?

its tough. if I had all the money in the world I'd go out and buy one of those 30,000 acre parcels in Ocala...split it up into 300 pastures and just have ya'll drop off all the CANTER rescues! *reality check* I live in 5 acres....sorry :(

EqTrainer

Nov. 12, 2006, 08:39 AM

Why YES, Tikigator, that is exactly how it works. Look at Lou Lou. I think there was about $400.00 donated and Chesters Mom picked up the difference. But shipping her is still $500.00. And she has a broken cannon bone and will be on stall rest for 6 months.. and then I'm sure just turned out for 6 more months. THEN I might, just might, have a horse sound enough to do flatwork or trail ride.

So why did I do it? Because it needs to be done. NOT so that I could get a sound riding horse, but because Lou Lou needed someone to want her. Otherwise chances are, she would be dangling off a meat hook next week.

You don't do this for you... you do it for them. But the great thing is, that these horses touch your heart like no other can. Instead of feeling like I am getting a broken, useless money pit, I feel like it's perpetually Christmas eve here, and her arrival will be Christmas morning. Getting Lou Lou *allows us to give*. It's an opportunity that we are grateful for.

Maple Shade

Nov. 12, 2006, 09:10 AM

EQTrainer- well said!!!!!!!!!!! I always say the secret to the rescues is they give you MORE than you give them! If more people did it they'd see this for themselves. Also, You just never know when you'll have a horse that'll defeat the odds. My last years suffolk money pit was Ninety Second KO. Some may remember him from this board with a similar thread last year. Here's the list of woes for the poor guy...easy to see why no one wanted him:

15.2h chestnut
narrow as a post (they took his beeding away because he was eating it)
whicked crooked leg and foot
2 swollen knees
cribbed like a fiend
huge open sores from a bad cribbing
collar
cryptorchid
back feet were teeny nubbins (they were racing him with no back shoes)
skanky wormy mess
super depressed and withdrawn
grumpy
so little bone he looked like he'd break just walking across the barnyard
weird looking swollen shin
lame as a duck
Not much to redeem him except a kind worried eye and some amazing CANTER people who believed in him
He sold Friday ...ironically 1 year to the day after arriving here. Here's how he turned out.
http://mapleshadefarm.net/phoenix65.JPG
http://mapleshadefarm.net/phoenix39.JPG
http://mapleshadefarm.net/phoenixhead.JPG
He is headed off to the Hunter ring and will be adored as a Children's Hunter mount for the rest of his days. His prepurchase was excellent including a full set of films! This horse has touched many people 's lives in a way that would sound goofy to go into. Did I make any money on him...nope. Did I LOOSE money? Yep. Was he worth every penny and every minute? Yep :winkgrin:

horsea

Nov. 12, 2006, 10:09 AM

Beautiful pictures Mapleshade!!!! I remember last year reading about him. He should be the poster child for rescue horses. We should publish a book on rescued horses and their pictures like they do dogs. Just get some really good photographs and a small blurb about where each one came from. I don't know, maybe it would be a way to raise money for more rescues....

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 10:21 AM

Thank you, EqTrainer and Mapleshade, for summing up the "beautiful madness" of taking on a rescue horse so well. :) There's really nothing more rewarding...

I love that idea, Horsea. You have 2 coming from Suffolk that definitely deserve a mention. The stories are a little different...a game 9-year-old gelding who is now running on pure heart to stave off an injured body, and a sweet 2-year-old filly who never really had a chance. But both would be doomed if you hadn't stepped up and saved them, just like Lou Lou and Phoenix, and so many others.

eks

Nov. 12, 2006, 10:41 AM

Wow Mapleshade..what an amazing story about Phoenix. I had admired him on your website..what a transformation.

luvmytbs

Nov. 12, 2006, 10:46 AM

Holy Moly Margaret. Phoenix looks like a million dollar horse in that head shot. You are just amazing.

It's all about what these guys give back to us. That soft eye that greets you in the morning. That nicker that says Thank You every day.

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 10:53 AM

Phoenix at the track, 2 weeks before MS saved him:

Ninety Second KO (http://canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/Ninety%20Second%20KONew.jpg)

EQTrainer- well said!!!!!!!!!!! I always say the secret to the rescues is they give you MORE than you give them! If more people did it they'd see this for themselves. Also, You just never know when you'll have a horse that'll defeat the odds. My last years suffolk money pit was Ninety Second KO. Some may remember him from this board with a similar thread last year. Here's the list of woes for the poor guy...easy to see why no one wanted him:

15.2h chestnut
narrow as a post (they took his beeding away because he was eating it)
whicked crooked leg and foot
2 swollen knees
cribbed like a fiend
huge open sores from a bad cribbing
collar
cryptorchid
back feet were teeny nubbins (they were racing him with no back shoes)
skanky wormy mess
super depressed and withdrawn
grumpy
so little bone he looked like he'd break just walking across the barnyard
weird looking swollen shin
lame as a duck
Not much to redeem him except a kind worried eye and some amazing CANTER people who believed in him
He sold Friday ...ironically 1 year to the day after arriving here. Here's how he turned out.
http://mapleshadefarm.net/phoenix65.JPG
http://mapleshadefarm.net/phoenix39.JPG
http://mapleshadefarm.net/phoenixhead.JPG
He is headed off to the Hunter ring and will be adored as a Children's Hunter mount for the rest of his days. His prepurchase was excellent including a full set of films! This horse has touched many people 's lives in a way that would sound goofy to go into. Did I make any money on him...nope. Did I LOOSE money? Yep. Was he worth every penny and every minute? Yep :winkgrin:

equusrocks

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:03 AM

Ok, I emailed Norcrest and she said she can get Bankers Red to me for an extremely reasonable price. :eek: I just need to know what I have to do next...??? She'll have to stay in the lean to, so hopefully she'll be ok with a blankie. What about a health cert/etc?? I guess someone named Kate has my number and may call?

Help?

I haven't called the trainer, I guess I'll do that now.

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:14 AM

Congrats, Equus! You know she has the screws in the cannon bone, though, and is on and off lame? It's not clear whether she will ever be able to do more than light trail riding, though she is one of those correct, well-bred mares who could be a great sporthorse mom. I just want to make sure you're clear on her issues. She has a lovely disposition and is stunning-looking.

I will PT you Katie's #. Banker's Red's trainer is very hard to get on the phone, but if you can't get her, you can try Lloyd Lockhart (another trainer at the track and dad to Banker's trainer): 617-852-4166

Once you reach Lori or Mr. Lockhart, tell them they need to bring the horse's Jockey Club papers with her to the track. (My understanding is that they are supposed to be bringing Red to the track first thing tomorrow morning, from Lori's farm, where she is now.) The papers will be needed for the health cert.

Once you have the papers Katie can help you get the health cert.

FurryPony

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:14 AM

Does anyone have anymore information on Jade Dancer?

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:16 AM

Equusrocks - you're going to get him? That's FABULOUS!!!

Should I send the new arrival some peeps as a welcome? From Ted, another OTTB?

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:16 AM

She skinned her pastern coming out of her last race, FurryPony, and needs some bandaging and care to the leg while it heals. But it seems to be only superficial. I am told she is very cute, friendly, and has no other issues.

Her trainer can tell you more about her; Monica is a nice person who really wants to help this horse. Her # is 617-913-6872.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:18 AM

You guys are simply...incredible.

equusrocks

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:22 AM

Ah well, that's fine. I guess maybe someday I might get a nice TB cross baby then. My parents are going to kill me, my stepmother wanted a sound trail riding and driving prospect, but maybe I'll just tell her it's a temporary addition. :lol: Yeah, right. I hope she's at least sweet. :sigh:

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:24 AM

She is sweet, I can promise you that! :) And she could be just fine for light trails and driving, with some time...she was racing with the screws and that could have aggravated the leg, so it could just be a question of time. (definitely have your vet take a look at her, if you get her, to prescribe the best treatment. She should also be confined to a small turnout space while she heals.) She really is a beautiful young mare and she will throw some NICE foals.

I PT'd you with some suggestions on completing the transaction.

Ted/DressageGeek, how kind you are to offer peeps! I bet those would be very warmly received! :)

Chester's Mom

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:27 AM

Had to come in to the office today and look what I find! 17handtb, what can I do from here? Is everyone accounted for?

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:28 AM

We're working on it....! Should know more by tonight.

Chester's Mom

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:29 AM

OK, call me if you need me. I'll PM you my home #

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 12:01 PM

Just got a call from Ellen at the track: Puddle Time found a home with a "nice young man" who came to see him today and fell in love. Equusrocks may be taking Banker's Red...so that just leaves Jade Dancer in need.

cbv

Nov. 12, 2006, 12:13 PM

Is she still available?

AppJumpr08

Nov. 12, 2006, 12:17 PM

Wow Mapleshade and EqTrainer - what great posts!
I'm so glad to hear that almost all the horses in need are placed!! Jade Dancer sounds adorable - someone needs to go and get her!

Banker's Red is a lovely looking mare - if I had room for another broodmare, she'd probably be on the way back to my place ;)

equusrocks

Nov. 12, 2006, 12:37 PM

Well, with any luck everything will fall into place AppJumpr. I'm waiting on a couple things, hopefully it will be fine.

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 01:03 PM

Yes, I believe she is. Her owner really needs to move her (though he'd never let her go "down the river"). Anyone interested should give him a call to chat.

Is she still available?

AppJumpr08

Nov. 12, 2006, 01:56 PM

Equus - keep us posted! Your family will love her - she's too beautiful for them to be mad ;)

equusrocks

Nov. 12, 2006, 03:00 PM

Well, it's not going to work. We called the trainer and apologized, but I just can't get everything set. Someone PLEASE take that poor girl. She's absolutely beautiful. My work schedule, my distance away, and the timing just won't let it happen. I'm so sorry, I wish I could have done more. :cry:

drgfly75

Nov. 12, 2006, 03:05 PM

I'm so glad to hear that almost all the horses in need are placed!! Jade Dancer sounds adorable - someone needs to go and get her!

I would, but I live in North Carolina....it's so hard watching all of this go on while you're so far away. I have two extra pastures(1 1/2 acres ea.), with two stall shed rows in ea. pasture too. UUUGGGHHHH!!! I'll have to find another way to help/ Maybe I can foster....just wish I could help Jade.

jluvant

Nov. 12, 2006, 03:27 PM

Someone from New Hampshire is suppose to come and get Jade on Tuesday. :) The trainer (Monica - super nice) is heading down to Flordia, but said she'd have her mother call if Jade is still there on Wednesday.

Hmmm...didn't mapleshade mention that she knew of a horse being shipped to Columbia, SC? I wonder if there would be room for another horse? :cool: Assuming the logistics with shipping to SC could be worked out, I would love to give myself one of these horses as an early Christmas present!

FurryPony

Nov. 12, 2006, 03:45 PM

Phew! So glad she found a home! I was trying to figure out how I could make it work. I can feed another one and fit another one (in a run-in), but am strapped for shipping $ right now. We are hopefully closing on land (a farm to be) in a week or so, and finances will be tight for another month! Thank you to whomever took her and all the others! You are all SO wonderful!

drgfly75

Nov. 12, 2006, 03:58 PM

OH...I hope everything works out....if there is an empty stall on any of these trailers going south and still horses in need......don't forget about me in NC. I have the room. I just feel so badly for these guys!:cry: Good luck to everyone in the process of getting your CUTIE.

Norcrest

Nov. 12, 2006, 04:02 PM

I *think* everything is set for both Bankers Red and Jade Dancer but if not, after alittle armtwisting, some stall building (what an awesome boyfriend I have) I have room for them both altho it will mean another 16hr drive for me if I were to take them both..but the rewards are so worth it in the longrun.

JumpingPaints

Nov. 12, 2006, 04:23 PM

You guys are truly amazing!!

If transportation is an issue for any potential adopters, can we try the COTH network that was set up by shawneeacres? I have a 2H and can help if any of them need a ride through Western MA/NE CT/Eastern NY.

cbv

Nov. 12, 2006, 05:15 PM

for instance to Virginia? I probably could find it in one of these threads but if anyone can tell me it would save me rereading and my phone line keeps going down with this rainstorm we are having...

Also question about how folks receiving these horses deal with quarantine? Do you or don't you? The only space I have to really keep a horse away from my others is a pasture with run-in. I am assuming if these guys are coming from the track that they would need to be slowly introduced to pasture (ours is still quite lush for November).

AHorseSomeDay

Nov. 12, 2006, 07:30 PM

17HandTB-How is Xcape doing? Has someone adopted him?

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 07:54 PM

CBV: it depends on the shipper and the number of horses on the load, but I know Lorraine Horse Transport is charging $650 per horse to go from Suffolk Downs to Ocala, FL - so you'd probably be looking at around $400ish to go to Virginia.

When bringing a horse home off the track, it's usually a safe rule of thumb to assume the horse needs full vaccinations and deworming, as well as a slow introduction to grass. We usually recommend starting out by hand-grazing the horse on grass for 15 minutes a day, then working up full turnout slowly from there.

AHorseSomeDay: Xcape was going pretty lame at his foster home, so we had new (digital) X-rays taken that showed his ankle fracture was not fully closed, poor guy. He is feeling better now, and the vet thinks he has a very good prognosis to be sound for flatwork after another 3 months' stall rest.

17handtb

Nov. 12, 2006, 07:58 PM

OK guys, I'm off for the night - I have to do conference stuff tomorrow morning but am hoping I can sneak my laptop in with me! If you have any emergency questions/concerns about a horse on the site, please e-mail adoptne@canterusa.org. Otherwise I'll check PTs and messages as soon as I'm able to.

Thank you all for continuing to rally for these great horses. They truly are worth it - when you meet them, you see how special they are!

Barnfairy

Nov. 12, 2006, 11:44 PM

Also question about how folks receiving these horses deal with quarantine? Do you or don't you? The only space I have to really keep a horse away from my others is a pasture with run-in. I am assuming if these guys are coming from the track that they would need to be slowly introduced to pasture (ours is still quite lush for November).

I took a risk and did not quarantine Manny when I brought him home. It just wouldn't have been practical for my situation. I know you can't always tell by looking, but at least I did have the luxury of visiting him and his former stablemates several times before buying him, and was fairly confident that he was healthy before bringing him home. However, I have a small "closed" herd and have made a conscious decision to not ship any of my horses out anywhere to ride for the next few weeks -- so if for some reason my vaccinated horses do get sick, at least I won't be spreading it to other farms.

Manny is on grass for no more than about an hour & a half a day right now. I did hand graze him for about 15 minutes his first couple days home. I don't think he was even able to hand graze while he was at Suffolk. :no:

GansMyMan

Nov. 13, 2006, 09:37 AM

If anyone in MA was thinking of getting one of these horses, the place I'm bringing my guy has 3 more stalls. It's about 15 miles north of Boston, Middleton, easy to get to off 95... cover-all, pasture, trails. It is VERY reasonably priced and *bonus* I'll be there rehabbing my guy. Which means I'll be there to help (if you need/want it) at 7 am and then again at 6 pm. Just PM me if you're interested. I know that Lorita (the woman who's taking care of my guy) has been grabbing rescues for 2 days!

17handtb

Nov. 13, 2006, 10:23 AM

Very very happy to report:

-Norcrest is picking up Banker's Red today (yay Norcrest)

-Jade Dancer has a home AND a backup home if for any reason the first home doesn't pick her up tomorrow

-The Thoroughbred Retirement Foundation (http://www.trfinc.org), despite being filled with horses, generously made an emergency accommodation for Tactical Al - Al is safely in Lorita's barn (the wonderful trainer Gans referenced) and will go to the TRF shortly

:D :D :D

OnThinIce

Nov. 13, 2006, 10:31 AM

Wahoo! That's great news. (I knew there was a reason I bought a wardrobe at their booth at the EA. Wearing their t-shirt as I type. *s*)

17handtb

Nov. 13, 2006, 11:15 AM

Thank you for buying the wardrobe, OnThinIce :) And yes, the TRF is a fantastic organization that helps many horses across the country and works with other rescues to save at-risk TBs.

Of course just as I posted the good news about the at-risk horses, I received a call from Doublete (Katie). She is at the track and said trainer Jack Halloran - who has Banker's Heiress (http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/BankersHeiress.jpg), Cole's a Champ (http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/ColesaChamp.jpg), Steel Butterfly (http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/IronButterfly.jpg), Commander Zack (http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/CommanderZack.jpg), and the handsome and well-bred stallion Illusionary Magic (http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/IllusionaryMagic.jpg)listed - told her he CANNOT take his horses with him when he leaves Suffolk, and is frantic. Any and all offers are welcome.

Jack's cell phone doesn't seem to be working, so anyone interested can call the Suffolk Downs main number - 617-567-3900 - ask for the stable gate, and ask to have trainer Jack Halloran paged (or leave a message with your number).

Ted the Peep 'Ho

Nov. 13, 2006, 11:45 AM

I loff you guys. What you do for OTTBs really makes me very, very happy.

Chester's Mom

Nov. 13, 2006, 12:16 PM

Wow! Iron Butterfly certainly seems to have a "presence" about her!

http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/IronButterfly.jpg

17handtb

Nov. 13, 2006, 12:32 PM

She does. A majestic mare.

Her name is actually Steel Butterfly...trainer listed her as Iron Butterfly but we looked her up and she is indeed made of "Steel," not "Iron." Close enough!

Wow! Iron Butterfly certainly seems to have a "presence" about her!

http://www.canterusa.org/newengland/sale/images-salehorses/IronButterfly.jpg

Chester's Mom

Nov. 13, 2006, 12:34 PM

BeastieSlave

Nov. 13, 2006, 12:43 PM

Commander Zack has a nice look about him :yes:

EqTrainer

Nov. 13, 2006, 01:22 PM

I do know that the truck Lou Lou is coming home on is full...

DKL

Nov. 13, 2006, 02:35 PM

jluvant

Nov. 13, 2006, 02:57 PM

Hmmm... I am at work and have a meeting in 5 minutes.

For those who have done this, how hard is it to line up shipping and get the required health certificate, coggins, and any other immunizations in a time crunch like this? I like both Halloran's mares (especially Banker's Heiress).

Gotta run, will check back in after the meeting.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Nov. 13, 2006, 03:00 PM

Crossing fingers we can get them all forever homes.

AppJumpr08

Nov. 13, 2006, 03:49 PM

Just wanted to post a quick update about all my kids :)
Chunk of Coal's stitches came out this morning, and her knees look awesome! And she stood like a champ for me to pull out the sutures :)

Witto Road had her first massage today... and Amy (my massage woman) was SHOCKED by how muscle sore she was... every part of her body was reactive.. poor baby. She's getting another massage in just over 2 weeks, and I'll be setting up a chiro appointment for her soon as Amy feels that much of her hind end issues are because her skeleton is very out of wack.. but that she'll be a lovely girl once it's all fixed :D

Lou Lou is still being wonderful - she's figured out how to eat hay, and continues to just be a sweetheart!

Purple Pirate, Raw General, and Jazzbit are all doing well also - RG had to learn how to graze, but he's finally figured it out.

Glad to hear that all the Lockhart horses found homes - now lets find people for the latest bunch! :yes:

17handtb

Nov. 13, 2006, 03:50 PM

Jluvant:

Call Jim from Lorraine Horse Transport - 781-858-8572 - and see if Lorraine has any loads leaving Suffolk for Ocala in the next week. You might be able to hop on if so.

Health cert/shots are the tricky part. There are 2 vets left at the track but both are planning to leave very soon. (only one will do pre-purchases, so you'll have to set one up very fast if you come to an agreement on either or both horses).

I don't mean to pressure you, but if you're seriously interested and can work something out with the trainer, you'll want to get the health cert and vaccinations done immediately. PT me if you finalize things and I can get you the phone #s of both vets.

All horses at the track are supposed to have current Coggins. That said...be sure to confirm w/the trainer that the Coggins are in order.

PT if you have any questions!

Hmmm... I am at work and have a meeting in 5 minutes.

For those who have done this, how hard is it to line up shipping and get the required health certificate, coggins, and any other immunizations in a time crunch like this? I like both Halloran's mares (especially Banker's Heiress).

Gotta run, will check back in after the meeting.

17handtb

Nov. 13, 2006, 03:52 PM

Thank you for the great update, App! Lucky group over at your beautiful farm.

Please give them all a pat from their CANTER friends. And a special pat for my favorite little guy, Raw General. I am very glad the TRF has offered him a spot (his knee looks bad enough that it appears he is not going to be a riding horse, so thank goodness he will be able to enjoy a safe retirement as a pasture ornament with the TRF) because if not...I might suddenly be single and totally broke! :D

Just wanted to post a quick update about all my kids :)
Chunk of Coal's stitches came out this morning, and her knees look awesome! And she stood like a champ for me to pull out the sutures :)

Witto Road had her first massage today... and Amy (my massage woman) was SHOCKED by how muscle sore she was... every part of her body was reactive.. poor baby. She's getting another massage in just over 2 weeks, and I'll be setting up a chiro appointment for her soon as Amy feels that much of her hind end issues are because her skeleton is very out of wack.. but that she'll be a lovely girl once it's all fixed :D

Lou Lou is still being wonderful - she's figured out how to eat hay, and continues to just be a sweetheart!

Purple Pirate, Raw General, and Jazzbit are all doing well also - RG had to learn how to graze, but he's finally figured it out.

Glad to hear that all the Lockhart horses found homes - now lets find people for the latest bunch! :yes:

AppJumpr08

Nov. 13, 2006, 03:59 PM

And a special pat for my favorite little guy, Raw General. I am very glad the TRF has offered him a spot (his knee looks bad enough that it appears he is not going to be a riding horse, so thank goodness he will be able to enjoy a safe retirement as a pasture ornament with the TRF) because if not...I might suddenly be single and totally broke! :D

I'm very glad as well! If I had a stall for him, I'd keep him here! :yes: Elizabeth pulled his mane today, and apparently he didn't even turn a hair (most of the top part came out with his braids, so she decided to even it up). We have discovered Cooper's downfall though.. he's terrified of clippers! It took all he could muster to deal with having them run over his neck while turned off yesterday.. but he's a smart boy and I'm sure he'll catch on quickly ;):D