Drunk college students murder horse in College Station [Archive]

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:20 AM

Someone in the area - please let us know sdetails of prosecutinga ttorney, etc so that we can mount a mail/phone/fax campaign.

Frankly, 4 years in jail, in my opinion, isn't enough. So the horse "chased him in the pasture" - when he must have been TRESPASSING in teh first place.

Since we can't harvest their organs for research/donation as would be my preference, I think they should do a minimum of some years community service at an equine rescue. And they be expelled from college, and denied any scholarships/fellowships from now on in, and it goes on their pemanent record for jobs, etc. Of course, if, while doing service, they srew up, then their organs should be harvested.

Sonesta

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:27 AM

Information about the District Attorney's office in Brazos County can be found at http://www.co.brazos.tx.us/departments/districtattorney/

This is a dispicable crime and A&M is a very horse-friendly place. The town of College Station is made up entirely of A&M loving folks. I think these boys will go down hard, but there is no harm in letting the DA know how you feel about it.

Appassionato

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:30 AM

2DogsFarm

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:31 AM

What on EARTH could they be majoring in?
As well as being prosecuted I sincerely hope the college expels both.

La Gringa

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:33 AM

That is just plain horrible. Why would someone do something like this? The horses are beautiful. What sickos.

The poor horse owner..

moonriverfarm

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:37 AM

cowgirljenn

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:38 AM

Someone in the area - please let us know sdetails of prosecutinga ttorney, etc so that we can mount a mail/phone/fax campaign.

I was looking for that info - it is Bill Turner, 300 E. 26th St., Suite 310, Bryan, Texas 77803, (979) 361-4320

I think they should do a minimum of some years community service at an equine rescue.

I wouldn't want them at our rescue or anywhere near a horse. Heck, I wouldn't even want them near our horses' poop! :)

cowgirljenn

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:38 AM

What on EARTH could they be majoring in?
As well as being prosecuted I sincerely hope the college expels both.

You know, I tried to look them up to see, but neither are in the A&M Directory..

Regalmeans

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:41 AM

That is disgusting and horrible - I hope they are locked away for a long long time.

MSP

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:41 AM

Do college students walk into this pasture often? I find it bizarre that students have been trespassing in a pasture in the first place. Let’s hope his cell mate is a horse lover!

Premeditated, this makes it far worse IMO; I hope they throw the book at them and hard. :mad:

fullmoon fever

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:44 AM

FairWeather

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:45 AM

Absolutely sick to my stomach that someone could do something like this.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:51 AM

I called the DA's office...the receptionist was surprised that someone from ST Louis MO had heard of what happened in College Station TX...so I said I hoped that the widespread puplic horror at the actions of the guilty parties would encourage the judge to levy the worst possible punishment on the books.

I agree, I wouldn't want these kids near my horses either. And in addition - if they were to make any money from A book, interview, whatever - that money goes back as restitution to the owner.

Seahorsefarmtobe

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:53 AM

No way in hell I'd let them near a rescue! They wouldn't "get it" anyway.

Moesha

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:55 AM

That is absolutely horrific and heartbreaking. They should be expelled and not allowed to have or be near animals...ever!

Regalmeans

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:57 AM

I hope the horse's owner is sueing them in addition to the criminal charges. I mean her horse is dead plus if she found the horse beaten like that? I know I'd need therapy or something to get over that trauma - what horrible thing to see.

17handtb

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:00 AM

These two little sniveling WASTES should be grateful I'm not in charge of the justice system. :mad:

God, I hope that poor horse went quickly. And we're the "superior" species?

Lori B

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:00 AM

The only appropriate penalty is to do to them what they did to the horse. Blow for blow. Barring that, max out whatever the law will give them.

Aggie4Bar

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:12 AM

You know, I tried to look them up to see, but neither are in the A&M Directory..Ditto. You'd probably need access to bonfire to look them up. Then again, as early in the academic year as it is and as long as it always took to update information, bonfire might not list them either.

War Admiral

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:15 AM

Wonder if it's worth trying to come up with a contact at A&M to call and ask for their expulsion?

Murphy's Mom

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:15 AM

You know out here they would probably get little more than a slap on the wrist. Unfortunately it seems that in today's society, being drunk at the time you commit a crime let's you get away with murder. :mad: I sure hope it's different in Texas. I think I'll write a letter to them. DressageGeek - did you call that Bill Turner guy whose information was listed by Cowgirljenn?

cowgirljenn

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:22 AM

Ditto. You'd probably need access to bonfire to look them up. Then again, as early in the academic year as it is and as long as it always took to update information, bonfire might not list them either.

Could be.. Hmm, who do I still know at A&M...

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:22 AM

The DA called back - Shane Phelps (I called the number listed in the first URL posted). He was fabulous. He's also on the board of directors of the local animal protection society. :D And he thanked me for calling - he's already had numerous calls basically saying to do the worst possible to the guilty parties.

He also said the poor owner was absolutely distraught. If someone is in the area who knows her, please pass on our sincere condolences.

Lori B

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:23 AM

This is the letter I am about to mail to the DA:

Mr. Bill Turner, District Attorney
300 E. 26th Street, Suite 310
Bryan, Texas 77803

Dear Sir:

I learned today of a terrible crime that occurred in your jurisdiction, involving the cruel and unwarranted killing of a horse by two students, Kenneth Ryan Peterson, and Walter Ray Williams. It was described in full in an article in The Bryan-College Station Eagle, here: http://www.theeagle.com/stories/102006/local_20061020007.php. I found this crime shocking in its brutality and senselessness, particularly since one of the perpetrators had apparently trespassed on the same property recently, and, having been chased by one of the horses, intended to harm it. This makes the crime a pre-meditated act which should therefore be subject to more severe penalties.

I take time to write to you today to urge you to prosecute this heinous crime to the fullest extent of available legal charges and punishments. Do not hesitate, do not plea bargain, and do not exhibit the slightest leniency against these two miscreants, regardless of their youth or apparent drunkenness. Their depraved indifference to the welfare of a fellow creature must be punished in the clearest and most unmistakable terms. Please see that they serve jail time if they are in fact guilty of the actions described in this article. Also make sure they pay full restitution for the replacement value of the horse they killed to the poor woman who owned it.

Many jurisdictions are unable, because of scarce resources, to aggressively prosecute crimes of cruelty against animals. But it has been demonstrated repeatedly that those who are systematically cruel and violent against animals very frequently go on to commit violent crimes against people. Aggressive prosecution of crimes of cruelty against animals contributes to public safety more generally.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. I will follow the progress of this case in the press, and hope to read that your office is resolute and unyielding in this tragic case.

Sincerely,

J Swan

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:23 AM

I hope they get gang raped in prison. Often.

millwrightmomma

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:26 AM

I phoned, not that a Canadian's input would have much value in the grand scheme of things.
The attorney's office was very surprised to hear of the extent of people that are PO'D.
The more people that call, email, and snail mail, the stronger the case for the prosecuters.
The boys are being held without bail. I suggested stocks and pillory, or public flogging in addition to the sentence, good fund raiser :D

Jingles for Darla, she must be going thru terrible times.

Lori B

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:27 AM

We have to get them there first. So let's all write as many grownup sounding, quiet, serious letters as we can to the DA. Please, Texas COTHers, I think you will have more sway than us dubious northerners, so get out your pens and fire away and let's show this DA that we are watching.

LuvLongEars

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:39 AM

Wonder if it's worth trying to come up with a contact at A&M to call and ask for their expulsion?

Absolutely can't hurt! In fact, I'm in the process of writing an email to the univ president, Dr. Robert M Gates - president@tamu.edu

Any "human" that could do these things to an innocent defenseless animal proves beyond doubt that they have dangerous psychotic tendencies, are a danger to society and they MUST be dealt with immediately, beginning with removing them from society and placing them into mandatory lock up in a mental institution. These monsters are lucky I’m no where near the state of Texas.

RiverBendPol

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:41 AM

I am thunderstruck. There are not words......
LoriB, that is one beautiful letter. Good job.
Come on folks, more letters like Lori's to Bill Turner.
vpsa@tamu.edu
This is an email address for the Vice President of Student Affairs at A&M....might be worth a shot.

cowgirljenn

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:41 AM

I called, too - I HATE making phone calls - it just makes me too nervous. BUT that's one I cannot just let go..

I talked to Shane Phelps who was supernice and said they're going to do everything they can. They're moved by the responses they've gotten, too.

Aggie4Bar

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:43 AM

Could be.. Hmm, who do I still know at A&M...
Scratch that idea. I just got a response from a friend in grad school saying they don't use bonfire anymore. I guess the website directory is all there is.

3Day-Eventer

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:55 AM

I just printed off, and mailed my letter!

RioTex

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:00 PM

How drunk do you have to be to leave large amounts of blood all over your apartment?

Moesha

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:02 PM

I wonder if they will try to use the drunk part for some pathetic excuse...I mean personally as someone who can party like a rock star with the best of them...this has nothing to do with drinking or whatever and is something inherently wrong with these people.

elektra949

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:04 PM

They should be forced to spend much more time in jail than 4 years. That's horrid. Absolutely terrible. ANd I hope the horse owner sues the ass off of both of them. And they get expelled from the college, and aren't allowed to own animals for the rest of their lives, and are shipped off to a foreign country's dungeon to rot. I hear prisons in other countries aren't nearly as cushy as prisons here in the US. They should be punished by a horse lover. Absolutely horrid. I don't even know what else to say. Sorry about the little rant. :)

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:13 PM

The DA called back - Shane Phelps (I called the number listed in the first URL posted). He was fabulous. He's also on the board of directors of the local animal protection society. :D And he thanked me for calling - he's already had numerous calls basically saying to do the worst possible to the guilty parties.

PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE TELEPHONE PEOPLE!

They are going to (hopefully) get jail time. I told him that people would be watching this case carefully.

SLW

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:23 PM

What sick and twisted students. They must be kept away from people, in addition to animals.

My complete condolences to the horse owner.

Nauset

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:30 PM

Has anyone emailed A&M? I'm not good at putting things like that together but I would love to send them an email....

Lori B

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:35 PM

Moesha

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:40 PM

Links to contacts.

http://www.tamu.edu/home/aboutam/adminam/

ImJumpin

Oct. 20, 2006, 12:55 PM

Please focus on letters and phone calls to the DA! If they are in jail, it will be extremely difficult for them to go to class, which somewhat solves the problem of their academic status.

After we get them convicted for everything applicable, then we can get them expelled. (IMHO)

Not so, if they get out on bail and then later if given a suspended sentence they could still be let back in to take classes. It is important to contact both the DA and TX A & M.

Moesha

Oct. 20, 2006, 01:18 PM

Jude

Oct. 20, 2006, 01:19 PM

The only amendment to the letter I would make is, instead of publishing the URL, put the reference to the news article: Watkins, Matthew, "Two charged in horse slaying," The Bryan-College Station Eagle, October 20, 2006, Local News Section. That way, it is more printer-friendly (who's gonna type in that huge URL?), plus it is permanent, while the URL might not be.

I know this is purely sentimental, but the mare had just won her first blue ribbon. :( :cry: :(

I think it would also be beneficial to write an editorial and send it to the major TX newspapers in the area. Perhaps from all of us, signed simply, "Members of The Chronicles of the Horse Bulletin Board." Or, if that's not cool with Erin, just, "Many concerned animal lovers" or something.

caffeinated

Oct. 20, 2006, 01:26 PM

These two are mosnters, there are far more deserving potential students out there.

It would be nice to see a scholarship started in this horses's memory by TEXAS A&M, for two needy students who have displayed kindness, sportsmanship, generosity, compassion, and dedication to animals and animal welfare.

That's a really nice idea.

If my google-stalking skills are up to par, it also appears that the owner works for Texas A&M as well.

RoyalTRider

Oct. 20, 2006, 01:44 PM

I have seen so many times people in the horse business who have drinking parties right there on their farms with the horses, and many people are drunk by the time the party even approaches it's mid-point. And this is why it upsets me terribly to see that. Because horses and alcohol do NOT mix. Things can get out of hand.

Also, that they knocked the horse over with a polo mallet is amazing. :no: Even sober I didn't think that would be possible.

Moesha

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:00 PM

The poor horse :( and her owner :(

If I had children at Texas A&M I would be both terrified and enraged that monsters likes these were on campus with them.

Drinking makes people do some pretty stupid things, but this barbaric act is from something souless...there is something psychotic in these two things, that they would even think about something like this.

Aggie4Bar

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:04 PM

Has anyone emailed A&M? I'm not good at putting things like that together but I would love to send them an email....They got an email from me. I requested permanent expulsion, and I suspect that's what they'll get based on my experience with the unversity and the high integrity expected from the students as defined in the rules governing student life.

Honestly, I'm more concerned about the profile of an individual who gets drunk and generates enough rage from trivial event in the past to go attack and kill the animal that made him feel inferior. This was a crime of control. Rather than the horse chasing these two guys from a pasture, they conquered the horse. That same mentality drives criminals to murder people with whom they've had petty arguments, rape women who've rejected them, vandalise goods they can't have, etc., etc. The death of the horse is tragic, but I believe in this case, it's a warning of something worse in the psychology of the two guys involved.

philosoraptor

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:14 PM

That guy is SICK. He also needs psychiatric counseling. They need to charge him for anything and everything: tresspass, animal cruelty, destruction of property (the horse), weapons charges, public drunkeness, everything!

Man I really hate people sometimes. The stuff they do to animals for fun. :no:

Jumphigh83

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:16 PM

Jumphigh83

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:17 PM

PS how can we send a link of this thread to the school and the DAs office? (computer illiterate here!)

chai

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:19 PM

Monsters. Wouldn't it be great if the judge handed over those two 'students' to be tried by a jury of horsewomen?

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:20 PM

Wow...what sick f**ks!! Maybe a lifetime in a mental institution would be in order...I am amazed. Cant wait to hear what tragic tales their attorneys whip up to explain thier transgression! They should just be put out of their misery....they are human debris.

After my phone call to the DA's office earlier this morning, he said that even the defense was at a loss. You don't go to someone's pasture with a polo mallet and knife in hand and then claim you're just wandering by.

Sdhaurmsmom

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:34 PM

They're saying on the local TV station that Peterson is a student at Blinn College, not TX A&M.
http://http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/4440641.html (http://http//www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/4440641.html):cry:

Moesha

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:38 PM

Oh sure, I remember in college we always went to Delta Chi's happy hours with polo mallets and knifes and then walked by horse farms on the way home.....sociopathic twisted little freaks...

Pinerose

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:41 PM

I just emailed how I felt about those two to Dean Watson at Texas A&M. I told her everyone would be watching to see how the University handles this. I told her those animals should not be allowed to continue their education there when they are convicted of their crimes. How could anyone contribute money to Texas A&M if they allow the murderers to continue their studies there??

wlrottge

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:58 PM

One thought that I had that nobody else mentioned was the college newspapers. Get them convicted in the court of public opinon ON CAMPUS.

At Ole Miss, EVERYBODY read the Daily Mistaker... errr.. Mississippian. You get that in the school paper. game, set, match.

I for one will be sending letters to the DA, A&M and the college papers.

Pinerose

Oct. 20, 2006, 02:59 PM

I just called Texas and spoke with Mr. Bill Turner personally. He said they are going to trial on this one and asking for maximum sentencing. He says it will help the prosecution if we keep the heat on and focus on these two. Let's forward this information to others,write, call and get others involved. He was also aware of the relationship of animal abuse to sociopathic tendencies, murderers, spousal and child abusers. He said it is a 4th class felony in Texas to abuse an animal in such a way, hopefully they will get what is coming to both of them.

luvmytbs

Oct. 20, 2006, 03:09 PM

I am horrified!!!!!

We as COTHERs should also find a contact info for the poor horse owner and send her lots of supportive cards.

I bet it would make her days a little easier, if she could receive some postal hugs from us.

texang73

Oct. 20, 2006, 03:10 PM

I have sent my letter to Mr Turner, plus e-mails to the pres of A&M and the Student Affairs Office.

I wish there was more to do to help...

Wild Oaks Farm

Oct. 20, 2006, 03:19 PM

I am disgusted by this. :no: :no: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I will be sending a letter and making a phone call.

If anyone can find the owner's address, I would also like to send a card.

Phaxxton

Oct. 20, 2006, 03:22 PM

Animal cruelty / killing needs to be taken soooooooo much more seriously. It's WELL DOCUMENTED that people who are cruel to animals often become abusive / dangerous to humans as well.

Two years max sentence is not enough for what those jerks did.

At least they were caught. They need SERIOUS therapy.

Lori B

Oct. 20, 2006, 03:24 PM

I would happily give them a little therapy with a polo mallet.

snaffle635

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:24 PM

The fact that they used a polo mallet to hit the horse on the head would lead one to believe that one of the bass turds had some knowledge of horses and/or perhaps played polo. At least where I live, a polo mallet is not something the average person happens to have. Sickening.

I had the same thought. Who just happens to have polo mallets sitting around their house?

I log onto COTH to take a break from my stressful day. Now I just feel sick. And my heart breaks for the horse's owner. This is just so disturbing.

MSP

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:26 PM

physical.energy

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:26 PM

Unfortunate public hanging is not an option...... :mad:

flshgordon

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:34 PM

It blows my mind that something like this is only a 4th class felony.....what the hell is a first class felony, blowing up the white house? I would say anyone willing to commit the planned murder of any fellow creature in a manner such as this is way beyond the piddly little drunken mischief stage. :mad: :mad: :mad:

cowgirljenn

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:42 PM

I just wrote the Battalion, A&M's newspaper, as well as the Eagle. Below is my letter -

Howdy, October 20, 2006

I’m writing you in regards to an article I saw in the BCS Eagle this morning about a horse brutally murdered by two Texas A&M students.

As both an Aggie and a horse lover, I’m horrified. I’m appalled that someone from Texas A&M, a school I truly love, could be as evil as to viciously slaughter a defenseless animal. What was the horse’s crime? According to the Eagle’s article, apparently it was chasing Kenneth Peterson, who apparently had trespassed into the horse’s field. In what world should such a behavior condemn an animal to death?

And as a horse lover, I can only imagine the anguish of Ms McCrady when she discovered her beloved filly dead in the field. Imagine the hopes and dreams Ms McCrady surely had for her horse especially after her recent show debut – and those dreams are shattered thanks to two drunken boys who show no respect for life. To her I can only offer my heart-felt sympathies.

Bryan/College Station is such a tranquil town – although my husband and I have been gone just three years, we long to return to BCS. But now BCS doesn’t seem like such a save haven – not with boys like Mr. Peterson and Mr. Williams.

Non-animal loves may say “It was just a horse”, but the frightening facts are that violence towards animals is linked to violence towards humans. Many serial killers and sociopaths first honed their skills at killing others by experimenting with animals – I hope everyone involved takes this link seriously.

I am strongly urging the District Attorneys office to press for the maximum sentence for these two boys, and I hope our state legislators will seriously consider increasing the maximum possible sentences for such senseless and disturbing acts of violence.

Jennifer Williams, Ph.D.
Aggie Class of ’01 (MS) and ’02 (PhD)
President, Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society

luvmytbs

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:43 PM

I found the horse owners address in the phone book if anyone would like to write her. I am not sure it is a good idea to post it even though any one can find it on the internet. So, if you want it let me know and I will PM it to you or just look it up on the internet.

Yes please PM address to me. She really needs a LOT of support. I can't even imagine being in her shoes right now.:cry:

2DogsFarm

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:54 PM

I am not a Letters To The Editor kind of person, but this story was so mindlessly brutal I have taken the time to email the President of Texas A&M.
Hopefully my email will be just one of a flood to his office, and the university will not allow these two sociopaths to return to school.

MSP:
please PM the owner's address to me
I would like to send her a sympathy card

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:55 PM

I'm starting my grassroots letter writing campaign here in north Texas. This is just SICK SICK SICK.

allanglos

Oct. 20, 2006, 04:58 PM

Frankly, 4 years in jail, in my opinion, isn't enough. So the horse "chased him in the pasture" - when he must have been TRESPASSING in teh first place.

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And to think the horses were probably just running up for treats, not "chasing". But he is such a dumbass, he didn't know the difference.

Brazos County DA

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:03 PM

Sonesta

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:03 PM

I've contacted all those A&M grads I know. Pressure from Alumni will be taken VERY seriously in College Station.

If you know folks who actually LIVE in Brazos County, please contact them. Remember that the DA is an ELECTED official and pressure from his constituents carries the most weight of all.

And I have notified the Texas Horse Talk magazine who says they will do a full feature story on this.

Sonesta

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:06 PM

Just saw the DA's post above. GOOD ON YA! If these boys did this, the full weight of the Texas Criminal Justice System needs to come slamming down on their heads. No plea bargains. Let the jury decide and then, if found guilty, we need to make sure the sentencing judge (who is also an elected official in Texas) knows EXACTLY how we feel about it.

Moesha

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:08 PM

The guillotine would be very appropriate...and not for their heads!

Jumphigh83

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:10 PM

Not the big one anyway....:lol: :winkgrin:

snaffle635

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:22 PM

OK, I just printed my letter and am about to send to Mr. Turner. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, horrifying as it is.

YoungFilly

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:32 PM

Thank you for taking the time to inform us on the progress of the case. We look forward to seeing justice served. Thank you very much for taking this case on!

We appreciate your comments and want you to know our position in this case:

1. We are in the early stages of the investigation.
2. We anticipate the case will be presented to a grand jury in about one month.
3. We are committed to making sure justice is served in this case.
4. At this point, we believe this case should be decided by a jury trial.
5. The charges in this case are state jail felonies which carry a punishment range of not more than two (2) years in a Texas State Jail Facility and a fine not to exceed $10,000.
6. In all criminal cases, the defendant is presumed innocent and that presumption remains until guilt is established beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

Shane Phelps is the prosecutor currently assigned to the case. If you have comments or concerns, please feel free to contact our office at (979) 361-4320 or fax them to (979) 361-4368.

The Brazos County District Attorney’s Office - Bryan, Texas

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 20, 2006, 05:55 PM

PM me as well, but only if there's sufficient feedback that you think the owner would feel comforted by it.

jilltx

Oct. 20, 2006, 06:03 PM

I just forwarded the link on to the TV news agencies here in Houston. Hopefully one of them will pick it up and do some investigating.

I am now going to forward it on to my e-mail horse buddies.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 20, 2006, 06:50 PM

Wow. Bet the punks who did this never thought they'd get people all over so mobilized into getting their sorry a$$e$ behind bars.

Aggie4Bar

Oct. 20, 2006, 07:48 PM

How could anyone contribute money to Texas A&M if they allow the murderers to continue their studies there??Killing a horse is not murder. Killing an animal is not murder. This animal was ruthlessly slain, and that is tragic. It is NOT, however, murder. :rolleyes:

wlrottge

Oct. 20, 2006, 07:57 PM

Actually... I'm not usually a stickler for grammar, however.....

I thought the same thing a/b the use of the word to describe this act, however, from Random House;

-verb
5. to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

The noun is considered to specifically apply to humans.

Regardless, it was a senseless act and they should be punished.

mst

Oct. 20, 2006, 08:03 PM

that is so horrible.

As much as it makes me ill to think about it, how do you hit a horse on the head while standing on the ground in the right spot to knock it down? Picture walking up to even the quietest horse and swinging a mallet at its head. Sounds nearly impossible UNLESS he was on the horse. Its a straight shot between the ears. Somebody had polo mallets and had most likely ridden before. Ok, this is a wierd angle for an additional crime but in a lot of states riding a horse while intoxicated is against the law.

AHorseSomeDay

Oct. 20, 2006, 08:49 PM

That's beyond sick. :mad: What is it with people! They deserve to get life in jail. Four years isn't enough.

maf

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:06 PM

my cousin lives in College Station and his children went to A & M. He is a huge supporter of the university and the town. An email will be on it's way to ask his help and support. I can only imagine how heartbreaking this must be for her owner. Prayers and best wishes to her.

YoungFilly

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:07 PM

If you killed my horses, that would be murder in my eyes. I don't care what a dictionary says.

Killing a horse is not murder. Killing an animal is not murder. This animal was ruthlessly slain, and that is tragic. It is NOT, however, murder. :rolleyes:

DMK

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:27 PM

He was also aware of the relationship of animal abuse to sociopathic tendencies, murderers, spousal and child abusers. He said it is a 4th class felony in Texas to abuse an animal in such a way, hopefully they will get what is coming to both of them.

That's the ticket. Even if you don't particularly care about animal welfare, presumably such sociopaths could be free to get married, have children and oops, get pissed off at them some day...

Sick bastards. Here's hoping they inspire new and more rigorous laws in Texas and elsewhere.

DMK

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:32 PM

If you killed my horses, that would be murder in my eyes. I don't care what a dictionary says.

And you can be free to do as you choose, just as I can use the word "red" to describe what the rest of you all think of as the color pink. But that doesn't mean it is so. Murder is a word with an accepted definition that enables us to communicate precisely. Using a more appropriate word to describe what happened in that pasture doesn't lessen the horror of the act, so what's the big deal? "Slaying" isn't exactly all sunshine and roses, now is it?

amastrike

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:34 PM

Four years in jail? You have GOT to be kidding me. I say we round up a posse and lynch them. Anyone who would so brutally an innocent animal is a danger to society as a whole and should be killed. Personally, I think hitting him with a polo mallet and cutting his through sounds good. Evil people don't deserve to live.

county

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:46 PM

While I think its a horrable and unexcusable deal IMO anyone that would lynch someone or catch them and slit their throat is even more of a danger to society. We have a legal system for a reason it puts us just a tad higher then that type. I do agree though evil people don't deserve to live. But I have a feeling not everyones idea of evil people is the same.

TKR

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:47 PM

I agree Amastrike -- my choice punishment would be to draw and quarter, using 4 horses -- tie the a$$holes to the four horses divided by arms and legs and then drive the horses apart -- VOILA! The end of these poor excuses for anything and the horses get to take part! I think they should suffer in every way possible. Yes, if my horse was involved, I'd be serving time for killing these worthless pieces of crap!
PennyG

chai

Oct. 20, 2006, 09:54 PM

Brazos County DA, thank you so much for taking the time to update all of us about the case. It must be very difficult to be the one who has to handle such a horrific case, but please know, if you haven't felt the power of COTH before, it's pretty amazing what this group of horsewomen can do when they band together for a cause.
Please keep us posted so we can write letters, send emails...whatever we can do to make sure justice is served.

nettiemaria2

Oct. 20, 2006, 10:02 PM

If someone did that to my horse and I knew who it was or could find out - I would not call the police. That is sickening.

millwrightmomma

Oct. 20, 2006, 11:12 PM

While we all have to think about this insane act in a sane manner to make the laws work for the victims (horse and owner).; I am afraid the safest place for someone that did that to my horse would be in jail.
It wouldn't be too darn safe if I could get to them angry

I found 2 people of Asian descent on my property, one was tied up and guarded by a 170 lbs racist rottie, :cool: the other I hung in a tree upside down.
He was tied up, also.
Amazing how fast the police come :D. and the guys that suddenly couldn't speak any english when the cops showed, had great command of the english language when the dog was told to "pee" on an unwanted visitor. :)
He always was hard to get him to stop once he started :D

It was much safer for those 2 guys in police custody :D

Big jingles to the filly's owner

RoseBud143

Oct. 21, 2006, 12:44 AM

these things are beyond sick, it really maes you wonder how they were raised and why the HELL they were not taught right and wrong! i Just wish parents can still disipline their kids b/c it could potentially stop things like this before the kids ever get this sick...!!!:mad:

RoseBud143

Oct. 21, 2006, 12:46 AM

Parysa

Oct. 21, 2006, 12:52 AM

We appreciate your comments and want you to know our position in this case:

1. We are in the early stages of the investigation.
2. We anticipate the case will be presented to a grand jury in about one month.
3. We are committed to making sure justice is served in this case.
4. At this point, we believe this case should be decided by a jury trial.
5. The charges in this case are state jail felonies which carry a punishment range of not more than two (2) years in a Texas State Jail Facility and a fine not to exceed $10,000.
6. In all criminal cases, the defendant is presumed innocent and that presumption remains until guilt is established beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

Shane Phelps is the prosecutor currently assigned to the case. If you have comments or concerns, please feel free to contact our office at (979) 361-4320 or fax them to (979) 361-4368.

The Brazos County District Attorney’s Office - Bryan, Texas
Thank you very, very much for taking the time to join the forum and update us. It is wonderful to see a DA's office that truly cares about matters such as this. I know so many of us here at COTH have seen so many who really just don't have the time or the manpower or the simple understanding to care. You guys work so hard and we really appreciate your contribution.

That's beyond sick. :mad: What is it with people! They deserve to get life in jail. Four years isn't enough.
It's not enough (and I don't know where the four years came from, since it's clearly been stated that it's two, not four), but when the law puts a limit, then we should just be thankful for those who try to get the extent of that time put on the perps and then we need to go out and push for stronger penalties.
While I think its a horrable and unexcusable deal IMO anyone that would lynch someone or catch them and slit their throat is even more of a danger to society. We have a legal system for a reason it puts us just a tad higher then that type. I do agree though evil people don't deserve to live. But I have a feeling not everyones idea of evil people is the same.
I totally agree with you county. I think that this is horrible and sick, but I don't see it as evil. I see it as sick and twisted. I've seen too many evil things to view this as one of them, and I think that word gets tossed around too easily. But whether it's evil or sick, it's still terrible and wrong and just b/c someone doesn't see it as evil doesn't mean that person thinks it's any less wrong.

millwrightmomma

Oct. 21, 2006, 01:19 AM

Hi Rosebud 143
I believe they were going for the gallbladders of the horses.
It has happened at other places in Southern ontario, around the Toronto area, big asian population........ some of them use gallbladers for medicine.
From the knives they were carrying, that is what the police and I thought.
At anyrate they were crooks, wanted by the police and Immigration :D
Not in this country anymore :D cheers for Roscoe the Rottie :D

Don't let this frivolous moment detract from the real reason of the thread.
Let's put those guys behind bars.
Do any of you (american cothers) think that a letter writing/email/phone calls
barrage from Canada would do much good????
They were rather shocked that I called, and I very plainly identified myself, leaving address. phone # and website.
So what do you think?

MoonBallad

Oct. 21, 2006, 03:50 AM

Hi Rosebud 143
Do any of you (american cothers) think that a letter writing/email/phone calls
barrage from Canada would do much good????
They were rather shocked that I called, and I very plainly identified myself, leaving address. phone # and website.
So what do you think?

Absolutely! Write to everyone you can find that's involved; the DA, the school, the media. Let them know that people from as far away as Canada have heard about this and are outraged by it. Let them know ALOT of people think this is a very big deal.
I had a very nice conversation with the DA this afternoon and he seems very determined to see these guys get the absolute maximum penalty possible. Apparently there were three guys involved the guy that killed the mare, his buddy that was egging him on and a third guy who just stood by the fence and watched. The third guy can't be charged with anything because he didn't actively participate - even though he didn't try to stop it either. The second guy was charged because he actively encouraged Williams to do it.
One thing the DA (Bill Turner) did tell me that I thought was very cool on his part; he wants to start a program for people like the horse's owner who are victim's of violent crimes involving their animals. The new program would make counseling available to these victims. As of now conseling is only available to people where a human was the victim of the crime. Even if he can't get the program approved it does show that he is very sensitive to the issue of losing a beloved animal like this and is very sensitive to the mare owner's grief.
He was a very nice and interesting man to talk with and he was very interested in talking with all of us callers. When I called he was already on the phone with someone else who called about this (probably one of you guys!) but his assistant took my name and number and a short while later he called me back. I also told him about this forum, gave him the address and told him where to find this thread (as I'm sure everyone here also did!Lol!) and told him if there's anything the public can do to add their support for his case to let us all know through this board and he'd get tons of support!
I think these monsters are going to be stunned at the public reaction to their crime. Hopefully it will make the next person that even thinks of doing something this sick think twice and just not do it.

AstonMartin

Oct. 21, 2006, 05:59 AM

really - WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE????????????????????????
We have a lot of future Ted Bundys on our hands if the legal system doesn't step up to the plate in cases of animal cruelty.
I just want to take some big backwoods bubbas and some baseball bats and head west. Oh and one of the bubbas is a flaming homosexual and....needy.

Seriously, ...i just read the article, and agree with everything you've said.

It just shows cruelty. plain cruelty. I dont love bugs, and YES i kill them, but i get no joy out of 1/2 smushing one and watching it suffer. I just cannot understand how someone could be so malicious and cold hearted as to leave something living fighting for its life after inflicting such terror on the poor thing. God speed. ...

luvmytbs

Oct. 21, 2006, 08:36 AM

I just sent my condolences card to Darla, the horse's owner. I hope she will find some comfort knowing that complete strangers are praying for her at this time of loss.

Moesha

Oct. 21, 2006, 09:27 AM

Hi Guys,
I found some stuff we can send down to Texas! ;)

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ESG

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:37 AM

Also, that they knocked the horse over with a polo mallet is amazing. :no: Even sober I didn't think that would be possible.

I'm not sure I believe they did. Have you ever watched a polo game? Horses get hit with sticks all the time. Never seen one knocked out, though.

What I think happened is that these walking dungheaps walked up to this horse in a drunken rage and slashed its throat, then beat it.

Erin, can we do what someone suggested and send a group letter/e-mail from "Readers of COTH", or something like that? I will write, call, and e-mail both the DA and the TAMU president, but there's power in numbers. ;)

ESG

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:39 AM

I would happily give them a little therapy with a polo mallet.

Ditto. :yes:

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:42 AM

I already called and spoke with Shane Phelps but I would certainly join in on a group e mail!

archieflies

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:56 AM

I hope they get gang raped in prison. Often.

Wow, I think that a bit rude and excessive.

fullmoon fever

Oct. 21, 2006, 11:37 AM

3eme

Oct. 21, 2006, 11:49 AM

I was reading one of the Canadian boards and came across a thread where the owner of the slain horse had posted that this had happened. There were a couple of people who didn't believe her and pointed out that she was likely just "attention seeking". :eek: (Another fine example of why I don't post there.)

How sad that when someone posts such a tragic loss they are met with ridicule. Just because the event didn't make YOUR local news doesn't mean it didn't happen!

My very sincere condolences to the horse's owner and apologies for the rude responses of some fellow Canadians. :no:

How awful for her.

I'd like to say to the owner of the poor mare in case she happens upon our little bb ---- you are welcome to come and talk to us, we'd love to help you. If the incident itself is too painful to talk about, you can tell us about your little mare, what she was like, about that first blue ribbon she won, whatever......I promise you that you would have a captive, interested, and caring audience!

Denali

Oct. 21, 2006, 11:54 AM

This makes me physically ill. My deepest sorrows for the owner of this poor horse. Any act like this makes me sick, but as an Aggie I am even more horrified.

I have sent an email to Texas A&M President, Dr. Gates. I feel confident that these two will be expelled from the University. They are certainly not Aggies. It takes more than just attending classes to be an Aggie.

perpetual_novice

Oct. 21, 2006, 12:25 PM

I was reading one of the Canadian boards and came across a thread where the owner of the slain horse had posted that this had happened. There were a couple of people who didn't believe her and pointed out that she was likely just "attention seeking". :eek: (Another fine example of why I don't post there.)

How sad that when someone posts such a tragic loss they are met with ridicule. Just because the event didn't make YOUR local news doesn't mean it didn't happen!

My very sincere condolences to the horse's owner and apologies for the rude responses of some fellow Canadians. :no:

The details of this crime are horrifying and it was unfortunate that the horse owner was met with unsympathetic posts on the Canadian BB. However there was a bit of a history on that board with this poster and certainly I have seen similar reactions to some comparable posters here on COTH. There is a thread in the dressage forum right now where the original poster of a thread is being met with a rough ride; I make no comment as to whether she deserves it or not -- merely an observation.

As for the Canadian bulletin board, the thread to which Fullmoon Fever refers was closed by Board moderators pretty promptly. And it was followed by an apology thread which can be accessed here:

http://www.equiman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/Forum8/HTML/020841.html

Please note the post by the owner, dkmccrady.

ESG

Oct. 21, 2006, 12:53 PM

Wow, I think that a bit rude and excessive.

Oh, and slashing a horse's throat isn't? :rolleyes:

ESG

Oct. 21, 2006, 12:57 PM

Another thought - if these two aren't horse savvy, what are they doing with a polo mallet in the first place? The golf club I can understand, but a polo mallet? Yet another very questionable facet of their story.................:no:

archieflies

Oct. 21, 2006, 02:32 PM

They are certainly not Aggies. It takes more than just attending classes to be an Aggie.

Amen! There's nothing that makes me sicker than the constant dumb things people keep doing to put A&M in the news. But it's not A&M in the news, its just a couple of dumb kids. I want to make sure everyone on here realizes this. We get a bad rap because of some of the dumb students, and its the stupid things that hit the news... But just keep in mind- EVERYONE should be blessed enough to be a true Aggie... :) There are dumb, stupid, criminal people in every university in the world. But an Aggie can only be found in one place, and I'd take an Aggie any day over the best student from ANYWHERE else.

archieflies

Oct. 21, 2006, 02:37 PM

Oh, and slashing a horse's throat isn't? :rolleyes:

Yes, but why would a poster on this board want to sink to their level anyways? Come on, you think wishing RAPE on a HUMAN, even a very bad one, is a better thought than killing a horse? Personally, I see it as just as sick a sentiment as what the boys did. Come on, ESG, I thought you were a more sensible person than to defend that. Gang rape isn't even something to joke about. I agree they need to be punished, but wishing them to be repeatedly gang raped IS RUDE and EXCESSIVE, and a very sick thing to say about anyone.

equusus

Oct. 21, 2006, 03:30 PM

I think they should tie his hands behind his back and let the poor horse's owner have at him with a golf club, polo mallet and knife. He needs to be taken out of the gene pool.

april

Pinerose

Oct. 21, 2006, 04:41 PM

and then gang raped repeatedly.......

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 21, 2006, 04:46 PM

I literally cannot read the details...I already can't get this out of my mind (ptsd leftovers.)

But I would like to see this become a CoTH 'cause celebre'; Does someone have the horse's name? And the owner? If someone could PM me these details, I'd like to do something constructive.

USERL could probably use donations in their names...that's where I'm going to start.

luvmytbs

Oct. 21, 2006, 04:59 PM

Oldenburg Mom you have a PM

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 21, 2006, 05:14 PM

Thanks! :-)

luvmytbs

Oct. 21, 2006, 06:25 PM

I don't think the horse's name has been mentioned anywhere?

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 21, 2006, 06:41 PM

Here ... taken from the internet so this is public information, not private ... are the two charged. Hope everyone remembers what they look like.

I'm sure their families will be REALLY PROUD of them.

ESG

Oct. 21, 2006, 07:01 PM

Yes, but why would a poster on this board want to sink to their level anyways? Come on, you think wishing RAPE on a HUMAN, even a very bad one, is a better thought than killing a horse? Personally, I see it as just as sick a sentiment as what the boys did. Come on, ESG, I thought you were a more sensible person than to defend that. Gang rape isn't even something to joke about. I agree they need to be punished, but wishing them to be repeatedly gang raped IS RUDE and EXCESSIVE, and a very sick thing to say about anyone.

No more rude or excessive than what they did to that horse. At least, they'd still be alive, which is more than one can say for their victim.

And no - I don't think that anyone that can commit this type of unprovoked brutality can be considered "human" in any but the most literal sense of the word. What happens when they get POed at an ex-girlfriend, or even someone that cuts them off on the highway? What's to stop them killing again?

I'm pretty much "an eye for an eye" type person. IMO, these two walking dungheaps (and the third one that watched :eek: :dead: ) deserve much more than a prison sentence. But I'm mean like that. :D

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 21, 2006, 07:05 PM

...and the third one that watched ...

There is no law that says you have to interceed to stop a crime...as opposed to enabling.

I'd like to know this scum's name as well ... he's almost worse than the other two.

I keep saying to myself that what goes around comes around. I hope these two are looked at, pointed at and shunned wherever they go.

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE HORSE'S NAME?

physical.energy

Oct. 21, 2006, 07:56 PM

I thought I read on the other thread her name was Chic but I'm sure that isn't her full name.

millwrightmomma

Oct. 21, 2006, 08:21 PM

The owner of the horse is Darla McCrady a long time resident of Bryan.
The 14 mo old palimino filly was called "chic", but she has a registered name.

The boys in question are plenty old enough to be called adults.
The apparent confusion in potential sentencing,.....2 yrs or 4 yrs..... is because each felony charge in Texas of this type carries a max 2 yr sentencing.

Keep up the letter writing, etc.
Unlike us, Americans elect there sheriffs and District attorney's. :D
In election years some people have long memories

Meredith Clark

Oct. 21, 2006, 08:47 PM

Meredith Clark

Oct. 21, 2006, 08:50 PM

I sent him a message! not rude, i promise

ESG

Oct. 21, 2006, 09:07 PM

There is no law that says you have to interceed to stop a crime...as opposed to enabling.

Well, in my book, not interceding is enabling. Really - what kind of person can just stand by and watch something like that happen?!?!? :eek: To my mind, he's just as scary as the other two; just more chicken$h!t about it. Makes my skin crawl. Bleccchhh. :dead: :dead: :dead:

yaya

Oct. 21, 2006, 09:44 PM

I believe they were going for the gallbladders of the horses.
It has happened at other places in Southern ontario, around the Toronto area, big asian population........ some of them use gallbladers for medicine.
From the knives they were carrying, that is what the police and I thought.
At anyrate they were crooks, wanted by the police and Immigration :D
Not in this country anymore :D cheers for Roscoe the Rottie :D

Um, horses don't have gallbladders!

oleary157

Oct. 21, 2006, 09:47 PM

I am SICK:no: :no: :no: . They better be convicted and charged,:mad: :mad: :mad:

Trakehner

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:39 PM

Just remember:

These are adults, not children.

They are evil, not sick.

If you watch evil and don't stop it, you are evil.

I would like them to meet their new wives in prison...Bubba and Tyrone.

archieflies

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:41 PM

I'm pretty much "an eye for an eye" type person.

Well, I guess that's just where we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I, for one, believe that sinking as low as the original crime (i.e, eye for an eye) does not show one to be the better person. Like I said before, I'm all for punishing these guys to the maximum extent of the law. I just think that comments about rape shouldn't be thrown around so lightly. But then, I also believe in souls and the possibilities of forgiveness and redemption, and many other "silly" little things that you may laugh at.

I'm also dancing on clouds at the moment because A&M just won another last second nail-biter in over time, taking us to 7-1, and I can't wait to see tomorrow's BCS rankings. :) WHOOP!

archieflies

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:43 PM

But I found the guys on Facebook... does anyone else use it? Its a network for college students, sort of like "MySpace". You can send the people messages and look at their pictures and information. I'm tempted to send my thoughts, but I want to maintain my tact.

For real? I searched and couldn't find them. Are they using their real names? Do send a link. (I found guys with similar names @ A&M, but the ages didn't match up).

Shay Darra

Oct. 21, 2006, 10:54 PM

HEY!!!

Has anyone determined that these two deviants are indeed students at A&M? I know the article said they were, but the press has been wrong before. There was one post buried in this thread that said they were actually students at Blinn Jr. College - same town, different school. Would be nice to know the facts. Perhaps the Aggie criticism is not warranted.

Reemphasizing a previous post that says statistics support that animal abusers are much more likely to become people abusers than those who do not abuse animals. These guys are sick indeed and deserve the maximum sentence possible under the law.

SD

archieflies

Oct. 21, 2006, 11:24 PM

Good call, Shay. This article: http://www.kbtx.com/news/headlines/4448392.html says that Peterson was a Blinn student but Williams was an A&M student. I've dealt with College Station media enough to doubt almost anything they say. :) Especially when the Batt (A&M student newspaper) articles come out on Monday. I bet they don't even get the names right, and by the time the Batt gets to it, it will probably be a cow that was killed. :) I still want links to their facebooks, as I couldn't find either listed, at A&M at least.

siseley

Oct. 21, 2006, 11:25 PM

:( :(

Sending my 2'C's from California as well!! If we don't punish these two to the fullest extent, and then make pariahs of them, they will be free to continue their evil. Hey, any horse clubs or trail rider clubs want to send a group letter?:yes: I will talk to my trail club and see what we need to do. Just an aside, I noticed that you folks refer to yourselves as "Horse Women", what about those of us of the other gender? Do you think we don't feel just as outraged? Hmmmm?;)

Ok, off MY soapy place....

Steve; on the cute grey Arab

millwrightmomma

Oct. 22, 2006, 12:55 AM

Hi YAYA

Yes, you might be right at that, but these guys were definitely going for the horses, and earlier in the same month, 3 horses had been killed near King City.
So what would they be going for???, something in the gut area that they use for medicinal purposes, I have no idea.
But I do know 2 guys ended tied up, one hanging from a tree, the other got wet :D
Both had plenty of knives, razor sharp

Next time i see my phamacist, I will ask him.
He is Chinese descent Canadian, born here, so he might not know.

We also had a guy in the area, 1/2 hr drive in 2002, fornicating with horses and cows and the slicing them up along the sides and at the back ends.
Sick.
Someone found him in their barn one night, what was left was arrested :D

physical.energy

Oct. 22, 2006, 01:32 AM

UM..... A. Horses do not have gall bladders and two, we do not use horse, cow, sheep ,pig or any other animal organs in chinese medicine anymore. Well, that's not exactly true....snake gall bladder but thats prepared in china.:winkgrin: Tastes yummy!

I'd be more inclined to think there are some freaky cult following using organs for rituals of some sort.

AlexMakowski

Oct. 22, 2006, 02:05 AM

This is heart wrenching and disgusting. My condolences to the owner. May God help her deal with this tragedy. None of us can even imagine....

I tried looking the kids up on facebook, a big college network, but they have closed profiles.

Shodan VIII

Oct. 22, 2006, 08:41 AM

If I ever catch them something VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY,VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY bad is going to happen. (involves 4 high- torque diesel pickup trucks, and chain.)

Or we can inject them with xylazine.

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 22, 2006, 08:48 AM

Just remember:

These are adults, not children.

They are evil, not sick.

If you watch evil and don't stop it, you are evil.

I would like them to meet their new wives in prison...Bubba and Tyrone.

Trakehner, there are many time I do not agree with you. Many many many. :D ;)

But on this one, I agree wholeheartedly, 100%, I wouldn't change a word, comma or wish for their future "happiness" with Bubba AND Tyrone. Let's throw in a very nasty, horse loving guard or two, shall we?

BTW, I called USERL yesterday and left a message. I'd like to contribute to a fund, the the horse's name, specifically earmarked for criminal prosecution of abusers. I don't know if it's practicable, ... but it disturbs me when everyone gets "het" up for two weeks or so, then goes back to the status quo. And I'm just as guilty as anyone else. Is this a dumb idea? There are so many threads about abuse I'd like to DO something constructive.

Albion

Oct. 22, 2006, 09:03 AM

This is beyond awful. :( I'm often appalled by the treatment of animals in Asia, but have to remind myself that terrible things like this happen back at home, too - makes the poor dogs that live on my alley & their terrible case of mange look downright lucky. Makes me wonder what in the hell is WRONG with people.

As for two, we do not use horse, cow, sheep ,pig or any other animal organs in chinese medicine anymore. Well, that's not exactly true....snake gall bladder but thats prepared in china. - I've been in stores on the Mainland that make short work of THAT theory (maybe not in the States, but there's plenty of ... interesting stuff used here in Taiwan & on the Mainland). :eek: Never heard of horse anything being used, though ... but then, traditional medicine ain't my thing. ;)

ESG

Oct. 22, 2006, 09:14 AM

Well, I guess that's just where we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I, for one, believe that sinking as low as the original crime (i.e, eye for an eye) does not show one to be the better person. Like I said before, I'm all for punishing these guys to the maximum extent of the law. I just think that comments about rape shouldn't be thrown around so lightly. But then, I also believe in souls and the possibilities of forgiveness and redemption, and many other "silly" little things that you may laugh at.

Well, I'd agree with you if I actually went out and took "an eye for an eye", every time I thought it was warranted. But therein lies the difference between me and these animals; they act on impulse and whim - I have better control. :p So, no - I'm definitely not on the same level as they, because I speak about bad things I wish to happen to them, rather than perpetrating them. :winkgrin:

Actually, I don't think believing in souls and redemption is silly at all. I think everyone has a soul........but some are tainted, as with these three. I do not, however, believe that redemption for someone like this is possible. And I think the recidivism rate of criminals bears me out. As has been mentioned before, criminals like this tend to escalate in their atrocities. Many serial killers start out torturing dogs and cats. This one started with a horse. Want to take a chance on him being out in society, dating one of your friends? :eek:

Meredith Clark

Oct. 22, 2006, 12:38 PM

If you're not a member you most likely won't be able to open it.

http://tamu.facebook.com/s.php?k=10080&id=8314462

Its the Williams guy profile

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 22, 2006, 06:07 PM

Not a member, Meredith. What does it say...?

cowgirljenn

Oct. 23, 2006, 10:40 AM

Who had the owner's address or email? Could you PM me or email me at jenn @ bluebonnetequine dot org ?

I'm going to make a donation to our rescue (www.bluebonnetequine.org) in the memory of her horse, and the rescue would like to send her a card letting her know..

Aggie4Bar

Oct. 23, 2006, 10:55 AM

FYI, I did receive a response back from the dept of student affairs. Methinks these two will not be returning to class.... not on the A&M campus anyway. ;)

summerhorse

Oct. 23, 2006, 11:06 AM

luvmytbs

Oct. 23, 2006, 11:11 AM

You have a PM with address

Who had the owner's address or email? Could you PM me or email me at jenn @ bluebonnetequine dot org ?

I'm going to make a donation to our rescue (www.bluebonnetequine.org (http://www.bluebonnetequine.org)) in the memory of her horse, and the rescue would like to send her a card letting her know..

Merry

Oct. 23, 2006, 11:12 AM

This has so upset me! Like everyone else here, horses are so special in my life. When I saw the photo of the lady with her two horses-- one being a palomino-- I thought of my dear palomino mares Penny and Lexi. If anyone did such an evil thing to either of them, I'm not sure I could control my actions.

Hmmm.... Me thinks I must make sure this news item gets a lot of press coverage. And I can do that. ;)

knowonder

Oct. 23, 2006, 11:50 AM

luvmytbs--I sent you a pm asking for her address, but thought I would post here as well. I would like to send her a card :)

Thanks!

wlrottge

Oct. 23, 2006, 12:20 PM

Has anyone determined that these two deviants are indeed students at A&M?

Well, that facebook profile says, " Texas A&M '08"

Little_Brown_Horse

Oct. 23, 2006, 12:27 PM

I am at a loss for words. Just disgusting and so sad. Jingles and prayers for the owner.

I wish Texas' death row express lane could be used for this crime.

luvmytbs

Oct. 23, 2006, 12:31 PM

luvmytbs--I sent you a pm asking for her address, but thought I would post here as well. I would like to send her a card :)

Thanks!

sent you address

MSP

Oct. 23, 2006, 02:36 PM

Darla has asked me to post these pictures of Chic, the victim of this terrible attack.

http://rhemaranchphotography.com/-/rhemaranchphotography/galleryindex.asp?c=6408

I believe Darla is waiting for her COTH login to post for herself.

She was a pretty girl Darla, I am so sorry. :sadsmile:

Manes&Tails

Oct. 23, 2006, 02:44 PM

From the Bryan-College Station Eagle. Article at
http://www.theeagle.com/stories/102006/local_20061020007.php

It just makes me cry - anyone who has such a blatant disregard for life needs to be in prison. For a long, long, long time.

Hello, I am the owner of Cowgirl Chic. Here is a web shot page of her if you would like to see her 4 days before her murder.

http://rhemaranchphotography.com/-/rhemaranchphotography/galleryindex.asp?c=6408

Thank you for your caring and kind words, yes everyone call Texas A&M and the DA in Bryan, Texas. I will get information for you if needed.

One email for DA is mmobley@co.brazos.tx.us

my email is dkmcc123@hotmail.com

I loved Chic very much and she was very kind hearted and would never hurt anyone. The vet always commented on how well behaved she was and how they could just walk up an catch her in the pasture.

Thank you for helping bring Justice for Chic!!! I loved her and I miss her!!

2DogsFarm

Oct. 23, 2006, 03:06 PM

Darla;
So sorry to hear of the loss of your lovely mare.
I have emailed the president of Texas A&M and hope mine is just one of a flood of emails he receives.
This board has many members whose hearts have been hurt by the loss of a horse and many caring people to help you get through this.
I hope you can find justice and some peace - come here to post, COTH people understand your pain and can offer support.

3eme

Oct. 23, 2006, 03:07 PM

Hi Darla -- welcome to the bb. I am going to be really unoriginal and say how sorry I am for your loss. This is a totally unimaginable situation, and I can't even begin to think what you are going through. I think Chic was lovely (what a sweet face).

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 23, 2006, 03:09 PM

And welcome aboard - I feel weird writing that.

But hopefully the huge surge of support will give you some solace. People have been calling/emailing/faxing since we found out. And the DA seems highly supportive, as you must know.

Please let us know if there is anything else that can be done.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 23, 2006, 03:28 PM

As a faculty - not at A&M but elsewhere - that is APPALLING.

Guess there's more phone calls to be making....

2DogsFarm

Oct. 23, 2006, 03:49 PM

Darla
How awful of your employers to not even offer sympathy.
When I worked for an A** of a man and my horse coliced so badly he needed surgery, I called in sick the day after that surgery because I had gotten home at 4AM after attending the colic surgery at 1AM.
The buttwipe refused to sign off on my time as sicktime because "only your horse was sick". I fought him and won, HR approved the time for me.
Hold your head up and fight for your paid time off. The last thing you need now is to be worrying about being short paid!

I am also single (widowed) w/o children and know how our 1000# babies hold a place in our hearts forever.
Your beautiful Chic is now running free over the Rainbow Bridge. And I know of a least one Strawberry Roan gelding who will be showing her how good things are there.

Aggie4Bar

Oct. 23, 2006, 04:13 PM

I hope you will also call the Departement of ag and tell them off. Absolutely not. It is unfortunate that your co-workers and fellow staff have not offered you any emotional support through this time. However, if you are having a problem with your benefits, that is something that you need to personally discuss with human resources. Letters of complaint from CoTH members regarding your personal dissatisfaction with the university will likely do you more harm than good, and I certainly hope my fellow CoTHers here are wise enough to realise that. Again, I am terribly sorry for your loss.

inca

Oct. 23, 2006, 04:36 PM

I am so sorry for your loss, Darla. I was horrified when I read about this in The Eagle. As a resident of College Station, I couldn't believe something so horrible could happen here. I can only imagine how awful all of this has been for you. I certainly hope time will help to heal your heart.

I am also sorry that none of your co-workers have expressed their sympathy to you. However, having people call and harass your employer is definitely NOT a good idea. That will make things worse, not better. I second Aggie4Bar's suggestion of calling the human resources dept. at A&M and calmly discuss the situation with them.

knowonder

Oct. 23, 2006, 04:39 PM

My deepest condolences--I can't even imagine the horror you have through! You are in my prayers!

Fred

Oct. 23, 2006, 04:42 PM

I am so sorry for your loss of your beautiful Chic, Darla. I hope those young men get the fullest punishment possible, and more.

flshgordon

Oct. 23, 2006, 04:48 PM

What a beautiful girl she was. I can see why you are so proud. I had no idea she was so young. I'm terribly sorry for your loss

I also agree that we shouldn't bombard your supervisors with direction about how to do their job, butas an Aggie, I will definitely be sending an email to Dr Gates to voice my opinion on any student remaining there that was involved in this horrible act.

These idiots belong in jail at least as long as Jeff Skilling and he just got 24 years! :no:

MSP

Oct. 23, 2006, 04:52 PM

My father is a Vet at A&M and we have devoted our whole lives to helping animals.

Can you beleive that I work for the department of Ag. and not the Dean of Ag, the Department Head of Ag nor the Coordinator of Ag has called or sent a card. Plus they are making me use my vacation time for the time I am off ill from work over this, not counting the time spent with the press and the DA. They should be ashamed of themselves. I am single and have no children and Chic was my child and they wont let me have time off for the death of a family memeber. She was murdered in my back yard where I have lived for over 46 years. I hope you will also call the Departement of ag and tell them off. I lost the love of my life and am very ill over this murder and they wont even give me a break. I will hardly be able to look them in the face when I return to work!!!!!

I am afraid most places I have worked give three days for bereavement if it is a close family member and only one day for distant family members. So, I am not surprised you are not getting any time off. I have had to use vacation time for animals.

Every one is different but I have experienced the loss of a friend by murder and a violent death of a Tb filly (accident) so I can tell you it will take time to get through this. I find it easier to work and keep my mind off of it but in the long haul it may help if you find some one to help you through this loss. I had nightmares for a year after my friend was murdered before I figured out it was her death that was causing them; they went away after that. And, the loss of my filly took a long time to get over as well. I lost interest in horses and became distant with my remanding horse. I just didn’t want to go to the barn any more.

Darla, I hope peace comes to you quickly. I know how bad it hurts.

Manes&Tails

Oct. 23, 2006, 05:03 PM

Absolutely not. It is unfortunate that your co-workers and fellow staff have not offered you any emotional support through this time. However, if you are having a problem with your benefits, that is something that you need to personally discuss with human resources. Letters of complaint from CoTH members regarding your personal dissatisfaction with the university will likely do you more harm than good, and I certainly hope my fellow CoTHers here are wise enough to realise that. Again, I am terribly sorry for your loss.

I agree with you, I am just so sick, hurt and angry. I just heard that Peterson's mother just brought him back to his dorm to live. His locks had been changed, but they let him back in. He doesn't even go to A&M and lives in Traditions. It is just down the street from my house and he is back!

The other guy Williams stated on his face page he does not believe in our government, why is he here? I heard they had to be sperated in jail, because the other prisoners wanted at them!

inca

Oct. 23, 2006, 05:11 PM

Just to clarify, Traditions is a PRIVATE dorm and the univeristy has no control over who does or does not live there. It is NOT owned, run or controlled by Texas A&M. It is not on university owned property either. It is basically an apartment complex that is called a private dorm.

I certainly would prefer these guys not be loose on the streets either. But, we do have to give the justice system a chance to work. I know it works too slowly from the victim's perspective but we have to let it work. I do hope the DA's office is sincere in their statements about being committed to seeking the maximum penalty for the accused.

Again, I am so sorry for your loss. I'm sure it is all overwhelming at this point.

bornfreenowexpensive

Oct. 23, 2006, 05:14 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss. She was a beautiful girl. Losing horses is part of having horses but you never expect to lose one in such a violent and senseless manner. I truly hope that they throw the book at those boys...and it sounds like they are dangerous not just to other horses but to people as well. Stay strong.

MSP

Oct. 23, 2006, 05:30 PM

Ok, I don’t get how they can let them out and allow one of them to live down the road from the victim.

That is just crazy!
:no:

inca

Oct. 23, 2006, 05:38 PM

I am NOT at all sticking up for the boys. However, in this country, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. There is a hearing to set bail after an arrest is made. If they make bail, then they get out of jail until their trial. I would be VERY upset about them living near me but I don't see how the police, DA or courts can do anything about that until they are tried and convicted.

archieflies

Oct. 23, 2006, 05:45 PM

(deleted because it had already been said!)

Just wanted to add, the people who run the Ag department at A&M are wonderful people, I'm sure they'll do for you what they can, within reason. :)

Also, just out of curiosity, how are some of you able to see the facebook profile? I'm in his "network," but can still just see the basic info- I take it that he made his profile private so only friends could see it.

goeslikestink

Oct. 24, 2006, 03:39 AM

print it off and give it to your attourney let him see how peole are disgusted might help your plight

life is a life regardles of form animal or human

they say that when i dog bites abd blleds blood the dog is dangerous and has to be pts in most cases they do-

these people are pertentional murderers -- if one can kill with a knife an animal which was docile and palcid and innocent like as with a child--

then 4yrs is not enough-- these people after four years might harm a human have potential and killer instinct to enflict power over the weak and use it.

let them out and something some one will suffer -- durnkeness is an excuse
they knew what they were doing as its descibe in detail

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 24, 2006, 07:26 AM

Darla;

I have emailed the president of Texas A&M and hope mine is just one of a flood of emails he receives.

Please share the e-mail information.

Hello, I am the owner of Cowgirl Chic.

Dear Darla,

I am so glad you found your way here ... CoTH is a warm and caring board (well, MOST of the time) and this is a very distressing situation. Personally, I am just heartsick for you...and I cannot imagine having to go through this. Please please please, so many people share their losses here for the support through difficult times.

I don't know how you would feel about this, nor how the rest of the BB feels, but I think this MAY be an opportunity to turn a tragedy into a positive. I spoke to the USERL last night, specifically the investigation area. I suggested starting a Fund in the horse's name to assist in prosecutions of abuse. HOWEVER, a friend who has worked in the legal field for a number of years correctly pointed out that prosecutions are funded by the state (well, that's a big DUHHHHH!) so raising $$$s would be pointless.

Does anyone else out there have a suggestion what we could do? I just hate to think of this girl forgotten as another abuse case. :cry:

Denali

Oct. 24, 2006, 08:47 AM

I recieved a response (to my heated email) from the A&M Vice President of Student Affairs. The Dean assured me that they share my disgust and outrage over the situation and that the situation will be delt with accordingly.

Again, my deepest sympathies to you Darla. This is just heartbreaking.

cowgirljenn

Oct. 24, 2006, 08:56 AM

Does anyone else out there have a suggestion what we could do? I just hate to think of this girl forgotten as another abuse case. :cry:

I was going to start a fund (just not sure what type yet.. :)) with Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society in Chic's honor - we work in B/CS where Darla and Chic live (and throughout her home state of Texas) so I thought that might be fitting....

2DogsFarm

Oct. 24, 2006, 09:25 AM

Please share the e-mail information.

Got it off P.2 of this thread:

president@tamu.edu

Manes&Tails

Oct. 24, 2006, 10:56 AM

I was going to start a fund (just not sure what type yet.. :)) with Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society in Chic's honor - we work in B/CS where Darla and Chic live (and throughout her home state of Texas) so I thought that might be fitting....

I would love to have a fund started in Chic's name, Maybe she can help other horses in need in her name. Thank you everyone, Darla

Please keep me posted if a fund gets started. I would love to see it.

wlrottge

Oct. 24, 2006, 11:37 AM

I just got this last night from an editor at the Battilion (T A&M school paper)

"Thank you so much for your tip. We are following the story, and hope
to have an in depth feature on it later this week. For what we've been
told, there has been a major outrage, especially from local animal
rights activists."

I told her that if she thinks the local community is upset, she should see the internet!

I'll be watching their website to see if/when the story hits.

archieflies

Oct. 24, 2006, 12:03 PM

I just got this last night from an editor at the Battilion (T A&M school paper)

I'll be watching their website to see if/when the story hits.

A short article's already up... I wouldn't expect anything great from the Batt, even if they follow up
http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2006/10/24/News/Horse.Dies.After.Torture-2384364.shtml?sourcedomain=www.thebatt.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

stegall

Oct. 24, 2006, 12:50 PM

Well the Connecticut Horse Council has zipped off a letter from our Board of Directors expressing outrage over this incident.

That being said, I too am working on something but all the pieces have not fallen into place just yet.

I'll give a shout when I have useful info to share.

archieflies

Oct. 24, 2006, 05:51 PM

Well the Connecticut Horse Council has zipped off a letter from our Board of Directors expressing outrage over this incident.

Guys, I know everyone is upset about this, but I don't think A&M is the right outlet for your rage. As was posted above:

I recieved a response (to my heated email) from the A&M Vice President of Student Affairs. The Dean assured me that they share my disgust and outrage over the situation and that the situation will be delt with accordingly.

...A&M has heard from many, many already... the only thing they have ANY power to do is expell the students, and as they told Denali, the situation will be dealt with. A&M had no control over what happened and has very little control over what is to come. I know you want somewhere to direct your anger, but A&M, be it the Dean of Ag, the President, the Vice President, the Board or Regents, can't make the problem go away. They're not the bad guys. Please, if you want to send letters, send them to the legal authorities that DO have control over the situation. Besides, I find it pretty amazing that all the letters are going to A&M, but nobody's even mentioned contacting Blinn College, which is where one of the two attended. Sorry if I seem jumpy, but A&M is a good place full of good people, and it kills me to see the school getting the bad rap for something done by two individuals, one of whom had no association with the university. Send your letters to the court system.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 24, 2006, 07:06 PM

No one's mad at A&M - just that if found guilty, people want the college or university to expell them.

mairzeadoats

Oct. 24, 2006, 08:04 PM

Darla,
I'm so, so sorry for what your beautiful, sweet filly suffered, and what you now suffer. My letter to the DA is ready to go and will be posted tomorrow. I will be writing to the schools next.

Maybe the fund could be to help the survivors in any way possible. Veterinary and burial expenses. Compensation for lost time from work.

Like you, I'm a single woman with critters as my children. FWIW, I've always had to use my personal time/sick time or go w/out pay for my animals. Until now I've never even had sympathy offered when one died.

But you'd think in your situation they'd do something...

Denali

Oct. 24, 2006, 08:26 PM

I am CERTAIN that this will be dealt with appropriately by Texas A&M. Remember: The students are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law... therefore I am sure the school's hands are tied regarding public announcement of actions taken.

I was involved in Resident Life and Student Government while in school at A&M. I know these students will be punished as severely as possible. Plus, I seem to remember that any student convicted of a felony is expelled.

Aggies take true, deep, honest pride in being Aggies. It's an amazing school, rich with tradition and honor. Behavior like this is not tolerated in the Aggie community. Don't lump A&M in with all other Universities... The culture there is incredibly unique. Don't jump to assume they are going to give a few slaps on the wrist and forget about it.

I emailed Dr. Gates because as an Aggie, I wanted to express my opinion to him. I was not blaming, demanding or even angry. I shared my feelings, and alerted them that the equestrian community is watching and waiting for justice.

PLEASE don't let these boys mar your opinion of a wonderful school. There are bad people everywhere...
As I said before, it takes more than attending classes to be an Aggie; these were not Aggies.

We are all concerned and disturbed by this event. Focus your attention to making sure the legal system holds up it's end of the deal here and helping Darla get through this.

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 24, 2006, 09:19 PM

A couple of observations ...

A Texas group would be wonderful and very appropriate, IMHO. Cowgirljenn, can you tell the board more about the rescue group? Who are they? How long have they been around ... etc. etc. Would they create a fund for Chic? What would the funds be earmarked for ... ? What are you thinking? I'm not trying to put you on the spot, so please don't get defensive about these questions ... they're just ones that occur off the top of my head!

Denali, ... I don't really believe anyone thinks badly about Texas A&M as a university. Nononono... it's just--at least for me--I want these two losers to PAY for what they did. Emotionally. The more inconvenient their lives can be made, the better. I have no idea if any of this will make any difference. I suspect not. I suspect that either or both are sociopaths, e.g., they have no conscience.

And, people also need to understand that animals ARE surrogate children to many many people. I count myself in the same boat as mairzeadoats...and I'm also sure we're not the only ones. Luckily, my new job understands they are family members ...

Anyway, just a few random thoughts as I read the posts. And I'm sorry to say it ... I'm glad the jail inmates wanted to pound the cr@p out of them. I just keep thinking about how I'd feel to walk out into the field and find my beloved mare.

Darla,... there are a lot of people behind you. I don't suppose that anyone would consider a website ... like Megan's Law but for animal abusers?

archieflies

Oct. 24, 2006, 09:22 PM

I was involved in Resident Life and Student Government while in school at A&M. I know these students will be punished as severely as possible. Plus, I seem to remember that any student convicted of a felony is expelled.

Very true... I was involved in Res Life as well. A "friend" of mine was once expelled for climbing the outside of his dorm with rock climbing gear... if such silly college stunts get one kicked out of A&M, I would not want to be the recipient of the wrath in this case... And, the appeals process includes a jury of students, who have never (from what I've heard) been very sympathetic, even on parking tickets.

I think we can safely say this boy will be gone... this is a "military" school deeply rooted in tradition, pride, patriotism, and all that is good. Childish pranks may often be looked over in the name of camaraderie and fun. But when anyone, especially an "Aggie" crosses the line and steps on Aggie pride... well, lets just say this is a student body that can unite for a cause faster and stronger than any other school. It's just that kind of place. The Aggie Code of Honor states, "An Aggie does not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do." At many schools, an honor code is just an inscription on a wall, but nothing, no NOTHING, is burned into the hearts of Aggies more. It's a matter of carrying on the pride. The administration may not always be so strong, but where they fail, the students more than compensate. :)

Manes&Tails

Oct. 24, 2006, 09:29 PM

I just received a beautiful card from Annie in KY, I wish I could sit with all of you in one room and thank each and everyone for caring about Chic and praying for Justice!!

At least Chic's death has taught me there are still many, many kind and caring people left in the world!!!

Again I wish I could meet each one of you and thank you in person!

We must also pray for the 3 or 4 boys that were involved and for their families, none of our lives will ever be the same, as well as everyone that will remember for days to come, how Chic suffered till the end. I know it will haunt me for the rest of my life! Chic was always full of life and loved each day, I want to try and be more like her!

Just to share something about Chic, she loved it when I would put out fresh water, she would drink and drink, and loved to slurp while the water would run down her face.

She loved to run through the herd of cows and calves while trail riding, also while trail riding she loved to run up and down the gullies, then go to the lake for a big drink.

Thanks for letting me share. Darla

moonstrider

Oct. 25, 2006, 04:56 AM

They should be locked away for LIFE. Period. No, I don't think that's harsh. They don't deserve to be in society anymore than a murderer of humans does.

cowgirljenn

Oct. 25, 2006, 11:20 AM

A Texas group would be wonderful and very appropriate, IMHO. I'm not trying to put you on the spot, so please don't get defensive about these questions ... they're just ones that occur off the top of my head!

Don't worry, I am not defensive - you've got good questions! ;) Lemme see if I can answer them and you all can help me brainstorm. I was actually out thinking about this as I was cleaning stalls - lately that's my only time to think!

Cowgirljenn, can you tell the board more about the rescue group? Who are they? How long have they been around ... etc. etc. Would they create a fund for Chic? What would the funds be earmarked for ... ? What are you thinking?

To start - we're Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society and we're at www.bluebonnetequine.org - We've got members throughout Texas and Arkansas - including a few in College Station. We focus our efforts on investigating abuse and neglect, working to educate owners so that they can improve the care of their horses, removing horses when necessary, and rehabbing and rehoming them.

We were founded in March 2005 - so I know we're young. However all of our board are experienced horse rescuers. I myself founded another rescue before BEHS, and my degrees (MS and PhD) from A&M are in Animal Science, with an emphasis on equine, behavior and learning. When I wanted to quit (EVERYONE wants to quit grad. school at one point or another.. :)), the reason I kept going was that I knew I could put these degrees to good use for horses everywhere. Other directors and volunteers have fostered horses for several years, are trained investigators, etc. I'm bragging, I know, but we have a fabulous group of people - they're often more like an extended family than an organization.

Ok - as to a fund, that's what I was thinking about. I like someone's idea to have a fund to help owners when their animals suffer acts of violence. Unfortunately, I don't know that we can do that - it doesn't fall under our mission statement/purpose. I also think a fund like that could be a full-time deal to operate - you need to do some heavy fundraising and have a full-time administrator. I LIKE the idea, though, and I'm going to keep thinking on how that might work for a future project (independent of the rescue).

So - if that won't work, I had two thoughts -
1) rename our "training fund" to "The Chic Training Fund for Rescue Horses" - the purpose of the fund is to get professional training for the rescue horses to make them more adoptable. In some ways I thought this was appropriate since Chic was a youngster probably getting ready for some serious training in her near future.
2) Create 'The Chic Special Care for Rescue Equines" Fund - money in this fund would be used to provide veterinary care "above and beyond" what we might normally be able to give a horse (or mule or donkey!) who came into the rescue ill, injured, etc.

I'm still brainstorming - so thoughts/comments/ideas are welcome.

Darla, if you are reading, I would like to offer you a free year membership in the rescue. I know you probably don't want to foster or adopt another horse at this time, but I thought you might enjoy the friendship and emotional support from the other members. If that's something you would be interested in, you can email me at jenn@bluebonnetequine.org and I'll get you set up.

stegall

Oct. 25, 2006, 12:08 PM

Jenn & Darla, I am working on something and need to speak with you both.

Could you please email me? Stegall@ snet.net

Thanks
Stegall

stegall

Oct. 25, 2006, 12:13 PM

>>>QUOTE:

Quote:
Originally Posted by stegall
Well the Connecticut Horse Council has zipped off a letter from our Board of Directors expressing outrage over this incident.

Guys, I know everyone is upset about this, but I don't think A&M is the right outlet for your rage. As was posted above:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Denali
I recieved a response (to my heated email) from the A&M Vice President of Student Affairs. The Dean assured me that they share my disgust and outrage over the situation and that the situation will be delt with accordingly.

...A&M has heard from many, many already... the only thing they have ANY power to do is expell the students, and as they told Denali, the situation will be dealt with. A&M had no control over what happened and has very little control over what is to come. I know you want somewhere to direct your anger, but A&M, be it the Dean of Ag, the President, the Vice President, the Board or Regents, can't make the problem go away. They're not the bad guys. Please, if you want to send letters, send them to the legal authorities that DO have control over the situation. Besides, I find it pretty amazing that all the letters are going to A&M, but nobody's even mentioned contacting Blinn College, which is where one of the two attended. Sorry if I seem jumpy, but A&M is a good place full of good people, and it kills me to see the school getting the bad rap for something done by two individuals, one of whom had no association with the university. Send your letters to the court system.<<< end quote

Just to be clear, the CHC letter went to the DA, and not the university. And, it was specific to condemning the acts commited by these two students, and nothing else.

We realize that it is not the fault of the university, and would never consider being aggressive towards those who are either investigating or who have the misfortune to be associated with these folks.

I actually feel very bad for their families. Its must be difficult for them.....

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 25, 2006, 12:44 PM

I am happy to support whatever fund...it would be too early for anything to be 5013c, but if it was under the umbrella of an organization that is, like Bluebonnet, then it could be a separate category under their heading in HorseCARE.

Manes&Tails

Oct. 25, 2006, 12:55 PM

Lori B

Oct. 25, 2006, 01:13 PM

MSP

Oct. 25, 2006, 01:18 PM

Don't worry, I am not defensive - you've got good questions! ;) Lemme see if I can answer them and you all can help me brainstorm. I was actually out thinking about this as I was cleaning stalls - lately that's my only time to think!

To start - we're Bluebonnet Equine Humane Society and we're at www.bluebonnetequine.org - We've got members throughout Texas and Arkansas - including a few in College Station. We focus our efforts on investigating abuse and neglect, working to educate owners so that they can improve the care of their horses, removing horses when necessary, and rehabbing and rehoming them.

We were founded in March 2005 - so I know we're young. However all of our board are experienced horse rescuers. I myself founded another rescue before BEHS, and my degrees (MS and PhD) from A&M are in Animal Science, with an emphasis on equine, behavior and learning. When I wanted to quit (EVERYONE wants to quit grad. school at one point or another.. :)), the reason I kept going was that I knew I could put these degrees to good use for horses everywhere. Other directors and volunteers have fostered horses for several years, are trained investigators, etc. I'm bragging, I know, but we have a fabulous group of people - they're often more like an extended family than an organization.

Ok - as to a fund, that's what I was thinking about. I like someone's idea to have a fund to help owners when their animals suffer acts of violence. Unfortunately, I don't know that we can do that - it doesn't fall under our mission statement/purpose. I also think a fund like that could be a full-time deal to operate - you need to do some heavy fundraising and have a full-time administrator. I LIKE the idea, though, and I'm going to keep thinking on how that might work for a future project (independent of the rescue).

So - if that won't work, I had two thoughts -
1) rename our "training fund" to "The Chic Training Fund for Rescue Horses" - the purpose of the fund is to get professional training for the rescue horses to make them more adoptable. In some ways I thought this was appropriate since Chic was a youngster probably getting ready for some serious training in her near future.
2) Create 'The Chic Special Care for Rescue Equines" Fund - money in this fund would be used to provide veterinary care "above and beyond" what we might normally be able to give a horse (or mule or donkey!) who came into the rescue ill, injured, etc.

I'm still brainstorming - so thoughts/comments/ideas are welcome.

Darla, if you are reading, I would like to offer you a free year membership in the rescue. I know you probably don't want to foster or adopt another horse at this time, but I thought you might enjoy the friendship and emotional support from the other members. If that's something you would be interested in, you can email me at jenn@bluebonnetequine.org and I'll get you set up.

How about a fund for education against abuse and violence; make the general public aware of the abuse and push for harsher punishment.

How about getting the AQHA to help fund something in Chic’s name?

Darla, Chic looks QH, is she a registered with the AQHA? I would be happy to send an email to the AQHA to get them aware of this case.

millwrightmomma

Oct. 25, 2006, 01:19 PM

althugh the legal systems are different in our two countries, the 2 scumbags might get a hefty fine and jail time because of the public's outcry.
In addition, hopefully the conditions of paroll (sp) should hopefully contain something about lifetime ban on animal ownership, monetary compensation for Darla, although I'm sure there isn't enough money to cover something as horrendous as this, and if a fund is set up by Blue Bonnet for extra help for rescued horses, then maybe they should pay for the next ten years 25 % of their gross pay into the fund, no pay, back to jail. And they must be gainfully employed, not underemployed for the ten years to make a significant contribution to the fund. No payment, back you go to jail.

I know the DA's office is watching this thread, maybe they can come up with the proper way to present this to the judge and the little scumbags lawyers.

slightlu O/T, my stepson was assaulted at his public school in gr 8 last june, and the kid was going to get a slapped wrist until I stepped in and requested stiff conditions until his trail.
At the trial they wanted the 2 boys to sit down and make up....BULLSHIT.
I forced the crown (da office) and their lawyers to give very stiff conditions and monitoring, as well as pychiatric help for the kid.
It is possible , it just takes alot of pushing.

Manes&Tails

Oct. 25, 2006, 01:40 PM

How about a fund for education against abuse and violence; make the general public aware of the abuse and push for harsher punishment.

How about getting the AQHA to help fund something in Chic’s name?

Darla, Chic looks QH, is she a registered with the AQHA? I would be happy to send an email to the AQHA to get them aware of this case.

Chic was not reg. in AQHA because owner of the dam never had her dam reg.

She is QH though, her sire and grandsire are reg. with the AQHA and have produced other very nice AQHA foals.

Chic was double reg. Mr. San Peppy and Colonel Freckles.

Her grand sire is Mr. San P Freckles, he is deceased.

Her sire is One Hot Freckle?

Manes&Tails

Oct. 25, 2006, 01:57 PM

We don't need more big brother, Darla. I sympathize with your loss, but I don't think that more supervision of that kind will catch every miscreant. Checking for violent criminal history, but not digging up every detail of every applicants life. We are already well on our way to a police state in that regard.

Sorry, I have never gone through anything like this before and I still don't believe it really happened, it all seems like a bad dream!!!

I also can't believe that these boys did what they did and I have never talked to the boys nor seen them up close and in person! I want to pick up the phone and call them and/or go see them, but I know I can't. I went to the jail 3 times to see them and I was not allowed to do so. It's like they have more rights then I do? I waited 4 or 5 days to even hear anything about the boys and what they did while they were already seeking legal assistance, etc.

How could something like this happen? I am just sick? I will never get over it? I still don't believe it happened! My life will never be the same! I can not wait to see these boys in court face to face! I have asked everyone to be at the court house when the court day comes. This must never happen to another animal or person! I am afriad to even own pets/horses now! How can I protect 24/7. It just makes me sick!!!

I have my own house and property for my horses and can not even let them live here because of people like these boys. I have lived her for over 40 years and have never had any trouble.

Hidden

Oct. 25, 2006, 03:48 PM

Darla.. I'm sooo sorry for your loss. Both of your loving and beautiful Chic and your innocence and feeling of safety in your own home. I have written the DA (in the mail right now) and to A&M (email response already) . As a Texas-Ex with a nephew in his first semester at Baylor I'm shocked and appalled that such a thing can happen and that the perps have not been put under the jail (just to keep them safe from the public till their trial). Nothing can be done to restore your faith in humanity, but we have to move beyond our anger. Love to you and yours..

cowgirljenn

Oct. 25, 2006, 04:12 PM

In addition, hopefully the conditions of paroll (sp) should hopefully contain something about lifetime ban on animal ownership

I had a DA in another Texas county tell us that they cannot do lifetime bans on owning animals, that the ban can only last for the duration of the offenders parol. I don't know if that's county by county, state by state or what.. Just 2 cents for this afternoon.

archieflies

Oct. 25, 2006, 05:27 PM

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 25, 2006, 07:10 PM

Darla,

I have imagined what you are going through ... and can't even begin to really comprehend. I have tried to imagine how I would feel going out and finding what you must have found. I do not know what I would do...

But I don't think anyone can understand, unless they've been through it. I'm sorry and I wish there was something I could do.

I can tell you (without going into detail) I do understand that you no longer feel safe in your home. May I suggest some profesionnal help. I know that may seem a bit over the top, but really, it's not. I am not a medical doctor but I believe what you've gone through qualifies you for post traumatic stress syndrome. It is very real... not a joke... and needs to be addressed. Again, JMHO.

-----------------------

Without going back over posts, I believe the horse's name is Cowgirl Chic? Is that correct?

I will gladly support the consensus as far as a special fund. I believe, however, that perhaps education AND I think a websit for CONVICTED EQUINE abusers would be very appropriate, especially for people trying to sell horses.

BarbB

Oct. 25, 2006, 07:24 PM

I was glad to see "held without bail"
which means that someone thinks that this is serious enough that these two lunatics shouldn't be out walking around in public.
Kudos to the judge who did that!

mairzeadoats

Oct. 25, 2006, 07:27 PM

Just thought I'd post this from the Batt, for no real reason: :)
http://media.www.thebatt.com/media/storage/paper657/news/2006/10/25/News/Riding.In.Style-2399744.shtml?sourcedomain=www.thebatt.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

Horsey demonstrations on the A&M campus. Thought it might make some people smile. :)

I expected to see something about a demonstration regarding this horrible event. What you posted did NOT make me smile. In fact, I find it insufferably rude and insensitive that you would pick this thread to promote A&M. Nobody here has condemned or blamed A&M for this viscious killing, although quite frankly I find their treatment of their employee, Darla, to be reprehensible.

If you want to promote this university, why don't you take it to its own thread. This thread is about the torture and brutal killing of a defenseless yearling filly. It's about what we can do to ensure justice for Chic. And it's about what we can do to help Darla.

Darla could be any one of us. That is what this thread is about.

mairzeadoats

Oct. 25, 2006, 07:56 PM

I was glad to see "held without bail"
which means that someone thinks that this is serious enough that these two lunatics shouldn't be out walking around in public.
Kudos to the judge who did that!

BarbB, a later article says they were released, one on $60K bail and the other on $63K bail. Even worse, the charges in that article are only misdemeanors with 1 year jail and $4K fine maximum. I'm just hoping that article is wrong...

mairzeadoats

Oct. 25, 2006, 08:04 PM

A&M and Blinn do much good for the students, research and the community. I feel they should not be blamed for Chic‘s death.

But, maybe they could start doing background checks and drug testing on students before they can enroll into the universities.

I agree wholeheartedly. They check academic and personal achievements; they should also check criminal history. Although unfortunately juvenile records tend to be sealed, so that may not be possible...

Unfortunately, I too can understand all too well your not feeling safe in your own home, or feeling you can keep your animals safe. Do you have any friends or family you could stay with for a while?

archieflies

Oct. 25, 2006, 08:09 PM

I expected to see something about a demonstration regarding this horrible event. What you posted did NOT make me smile. In fact, I find it insufferably rude and insensitive that you would pick this thread to promote A&M. Nobody here has condemned or blamed A&M for this viscious killing, although quite frankly I find their treatment of their employee, Darla, to be reprehensible.

If you want to promote this university, why don't you take it to its own thread. This thread is about the torture and brutal killing of a defenseless yearling filly. It's about what we can do to ensure justice for Chic. And it's about what we can do to help Darla.

Darla could be any one of us. That is what this thread is about.

Oh whoah, step back. I was just looking through the Batt to see if there were any more articles on the subject at hand. I came across a picture I thought I'd share, because it made ME smile, and I thought it might make Darla smile as well. I'm sorry you choose not to smile. I don't think, however, that it was the least bit "rude or insensitive," especially following Darla's own post where she states "A&M and Blinn do much good for the students, research and the community." Apparently, she isn't as quick to be upset as you.

I'm sorry, I guess I shouldn't be trying to cheer up the victim by showing her good things going on in her community. I'm only supposed to make posts about what an awful, terrible world this is, and how she's living in a community that has no respect for animals, and how staying in depression is the best way to be. Right? Because personally, if I was feeling unsafe in my home, worried about my horses, and feeling as if nobody around me cared, it WOULD make me feel better to see the positive side of my community and to see that there were others around me celebrating the horse, rather than killing them. It may be a thread to talk about preventing this in the future, but its also a thread about reassuring Darla that those boys were not representative of her community, and as long as the community involved is Texas A&M, then I WILL promote every good thing about A&M that I can. Because maybe then she won't have to feel unsafe. I know I would feel safer in the presense of the Aggie spirit than I would anywhere else. I guess I just try to live in a happier world than you do, and I just wanted to bring some of that to yall. Sorry for trying to help.

mairzeadoats

Oct. 25, 2006, 08:50 PM

archieflies

Oct. 25, 2006, 08:56 PM

The vast majority of posts on this thread are vents of outrage, suggestions for positive action, and expression of condolence and support. Hardly indicative of a lack of caring.

The only uncaring posts I can find have been attempts to derail/hijack the thread by...the grammar police, the moral police and the defenders of A&M from non-attack.

There is something called timing, Archieflies. Something which you clearly lack. If you stopped spending all your time defending A&M from non-existant blame and attacking people who were venting their outrage and horror -- which is all you have written up until now -- you might get that this is not exactly the time or place to promote A&M equine exhibitions.

Try real hard to imagine how you'd feel just 10 days after getting up in the morning and finding, say, your child murdered, drenched in blood. Ready for some cheering up? If so then you really have a problem.

Wait, I still don't get where the problem is... How is my timing "bad?" Really, really, really, how is trying to make someone see the positive in their community a BAD thing? I don't think its EVER too early to encourage healing, but if you disagree, that's your choice. It wasn't you I was trying to cheer up. OK, I guess I'll "take back" what I said when Darla says she's offended by it, but I personally don't care if you were offended. You're not who I was talking to.. And who said anything about a lack of caring? I don't believe I was the one accusing anyone of a lack of caring. I don't understand a thing you're saying, I don't think you're reading what I'm saying AT ALL... whatever.

Besides that, I would hardly say I spend "all my time defending A&M." Today, actually, I spent 8 hours in a classroom of seventh graders teaching math, a few hours cooking and cleaning for my husband... and 10 minute son CoTH offering what I thought would be a cheerful note in a time when cheer was needed. ALL my time? Ha! Believe me, I have much more to care about that this.

And, since you tell me to imagine myself with a slaughtered child... yes, cheering up is EXACTLY what I would be needing! Call me crazy, I guess I have a serious problem by your standards. I don't like to be upset. Judge me as you will.

If Darla was offended by the link I posted, then here are my apologies to her: I wish you a swift return of happiness in your life, and I truly, truly believe you live in a good place with good people who will help you in your time of trouble. I won't, however, apologize for calling it a good place. Bad things can happen in good places, yes, and grief is entirely natural. Healing, also, is natural, it just sometimes needs the aide of friends and happy moments to help it along.

And so, mairzeadoats, I am done. Have at me as you wish, but know that my statements will not change and I no longer feel it necessary to worry about how they make you feel.

ESG

Oct. 25, 2006, 09:41 PM

BarbB, a later article says they were released, one on $60K bail and the other on $63K bail. Even worse, the charges in that article are only misdemeanors with 1 year jail and $4K fine maximum. I'm just hoping that article is wrong...

The article is wrong. I spoke to Shane Phelps, the DA prosecuting this case, yesterday, at some length. He states that one of the pending charges (criminal mischief ) is a felony that carries up to a 2 year (?) sentence, and $10K in fines. I think the cruelty to animals charge is a misdemeanor, but when coupled with the CM charge, will probably carry more weight.

Y'all feel free to call Mr. Phelps. He said that the more fuss is raised about this horrific incident, the more likely the miscreants will be held to the higher fines/stiffer punishments. Nice man. His sister is a dressage trainer.

millwrightmomma

Oct. 26, 2006, 02:24 AM

It appears as if some people are taking this matter seriously, ie the police and DA's office.
The 2 asshats were released from jail, one apparently has been tossed from his residence, while the knife wheeling 'petterson' has been allowed back, although the locks had been changed. Apparently his parents don't want him around either. The police however, had an interest in his room, the amount of blood in his room raised concerns with them. He cut his leg during the incident, too bad he didn't cut it deeper. His room was looked at by the police, and it is thought that the self proclaimed "drug-lord" with the big ego, will soon be re-arrested and charged with other offenses.
Hope they hang the SOB.
There were 4 boys involved, 2 watchers..........WTF I hope they have some really 'sweet' dreams about all this, what kind of cretins are they to allow their drinking buddy to slice the throat of a horse, a kind and loving animal.
They , too, have been tossed from their dorm rooms.
I bet their parents are proud... NOT .

It has been shown that animal abusers go onto high levels of abusivness.
What kind of men will these people turn into, child molesters, wife beaters, murderers...........I hope the DA's office jumps on this hard, and quickly before the public hue and cry dies down.
They should be charged with every possible charge, tresspassing, weapons offenses, cruelty to an animal, abuse to an animal, mischief, public drunkeness, and anything else they can dream up.
Is there a curfew in the town?? How about peeing on the bushes????
Everything and anything should be used to take these people off the streets.
School expulsion should be coming soon, it has been almost 2 weeks since this horrific act, the 4 broke the moral conduct code of the school.
A&M has a terrific reputation, has done alot of good work, and produced fantastic grads working in many segments of society, obviously these 4 will never fit the mold of an 'aggie'. The faster they are tossed, the safer many of its students will feel.
I for one, would not want to be sitting beside an alledged drug dealer that likes weapons, and freely uses them on animals. Nor would I wish to be in the room with someone that condones that behavior, ie the 2 watchers,or be around a person that thinks using a golf club to spear the dieing animal though its chest is OK.
I am sick and tired of hearing about and seeing the results of animal abuse.
As soon as the courts and the public make these offenses more than just a passing hand slap, the sooner some idiots will start thinking of the consequences.............maybe.
Not just in The US but in Canada , too.

Sorry for the rant, I am truely fed up with child and animal abuse.
Condolences to Darla, I hope she is strong enough to start living her life again.

archieflies

Oct. 26, 2006, 08:57 AM

Your comment about weapons made me think, did anyone ever determine where they had a polo mallet from? I'd hate to think a member of the polo club was involved. Does anyone know?

asb_own_me

Oct. 26, 2006, 11:00 AM

I just got off the phone with Mr. Phelps. He was incredibly nice and was more than happy to take the time to talk to me.....an Iowa resident who read about this case on the internet. He did say that the process will be expedited and plans are to take the case to the Grand Jury next Thursday, 11/2.

We also spoke about the links between animal cruelty/abuse and child abuse, murderers and rapists. He said they may explore that further by bringing in a psychologist during the punishment phase of the trial, in hopes of getting stiffer sentencing.

I can only hope that if these two slimeballs do go to prison, they get what they deserve from someone large and "needy", as another poster put it! Better yet, they could be slashed and stabbed in a prison brawl and left to bleed out. Preferably after numerous "encounters" with "Bubba".

Aggie4Bar

Oct. 26, 2006, 11:13 AM

Great news, asb. Thanks for sharing it.

I really don't think they can emphasize enough that this particular crime was one of control. I stated earlier (page 3? 4?) about that. The horse "chased" him once, so in retaliation, he conquered the horse. He went back to exert control. Had the horse not been accessible and had he run into some girl who rejected him at some point, what then may have happened? Had the horse not been accessible and he'd encountered a guy with whom he'd previously had an argument, what may have happened? I really think, based on the excuses (drunk, angry, previously "chased"), that these two have every capability to rape or commit murder. They just haven't done it yet. And I really hope the weaklings that watched get charged as accomplices so that perhaps in the future, they'll think twice about not stepping in to stop an act of violence.

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 26, 2006, 12:03 PM

MSP

Oct. 26, 2006, 12:31 PM

What the heck was he doing in the field ... ? It is a private home, private field, etc. That sounds like another trespassing charge to me. Why was the horse "chasing" him in the first place?

BTW, who the heck were the other two? Does the DA know? They had better be hiding hoping no one figures out who they are.

The trespassing issue was my initial reaction also.

As far as the chasing goes; if Chic was anything like my filly (cow bred) she would chase anything that happened into the pasture with her.

allanglos

Oct. 26, 2006, 02:32 PM

Ok, I don’t get how they can let them out and allow one of them to live down the road from the victim.

That is just crazy!
:no:

If I were you, I'd...

1. File a restraining order.

2. File a civil lawsuit...loss of wages, mental distress, etc.

Manes&Tails

Oct. 26, 2006, 02:59 PM

The trespassing issue was my initial reaction also.

As far as the chasing goes; if Chic was anything like my filly (cow bred) she would chase anything that happened into the pasture with her.

Chic and Hoot were trained to run up to me and they did so anyway, they knew I would give them a treat, rubbing and/or a ride in the trailer. They were both cow bred and tracked everything in sight.

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 26, 2006, 06:24 PM

If I were you, I'd...

2. File a civil lawsuit...loss of wages, mental distress, etc.

HEY! Maybe that is what a Chic fund could be used for? The board of directors of the umbrella rescue could decide on which cases ... (is THAT just asking for trouble???) The fund could help not with attorney's fees, but with FILING charges. Presumably the attorney could work on a contingency?

Does that make sense?

Oh, and even if he doesn't have any money, specifically, to latch onto... a summary judgement lasts for 20 years. And accrues interest.

mairzeadoats

Oct. 26, 2006, 08:20 PM

Canadians and others from around the world, according to A&M's website they are committed to diversity, defined to include other countries and cultures. So I think you should feel free to send letters too. I imagine in a school that big there are students from other countries.

In the meantime, I've just sent this email to Dr. Gates. The president of Blinn will be next.

Dear Dr. Gates,

It was with horror that I read of the brutal torture and killing of a yearling filly by two men, Kenneth Ryan Peterson and Walter Ray Williams, and witnessed by two other unnamed men. At least one of these men is a student at your university. If the articles published to date are true, then I certainly hope that all Texas A&M students implicated in this vicious crime have been suspended pending the outcome of the trial and will be expelled upon being found guilty. I can't imagine that any parent would want their children attending school with known killers. Heaven help the fellow student who may inadvertently offend one of them.

This event ranks among horsemen's worst nightmares, and the horse community is watching this case closely. We recognize that your university isn't responsible for these young men's actions, but any crime they commit now will reflect back on your school if you do not take prompt action.

Manes&Tails

Oct. 26, 2006, 09:20 PM

Manes&Tails

Oct. 26, 2006, 09:31 PM

A friend of mine that works at Blinn where Peterson goes to school, told me he was at class today laughing, joking and hanging out in the hallway with his friends like nothing happened!!!

It just makes me sick, I miss my filly so much; and hurt so much for her pain and suffering, not counting all the hard work from training, money for vet bills, its just all down the drain now!! My life has stopped, I have used all my vacation time and will not get paid for the rest of the days I am off from work, so my pay check will be short, not counting all the money I have spent on medicine, and doctors visits!!! I am now having to pay to board my other horse out and pay for gas to drive out to see her everyday, when she was living just out my back door! She misses her friend and misses her home, she does not know why I have moved her, and she does not know where her friend is! I know she saw and heard everything!!! I only make $10.00 an hour and live in an old run down house, while Peterson lives down the street in the nicest dorm in town, I bet he has a nice car, and everything he wants? My two horses, truck and trailer are all I had to show for 46 years of hard work. I was satisfied with only having them, they were all I wanted out life and for the rest of my life!! I was barely hanging on now this!! I just pray I don't lose my job. I am still not well enough to go to work!

Manes&Tails

Oct. 26, 2006, 09:42 PM

ALLEGED HORSE KILLERS in our area.......KBTX Story, Now on
Website Pass it on to all you know !!!!! Here are their faces.

Manes&Tails

Oct. 26, 2006, 10:40 PM

The following are just some of the things he had on his page:

its a video of josh f****** a horse

You scored as Drug Lord. You're a druglord. Quit that job and start slinging the Ye-yo you Scarface kingpin!! Say 'HELLO' to my li'l friend!!

Drug Lord

80%
Ninja Assassin

70%
Mafia Boss

70%
Cowboy Outlaw

65%
Pirate Captain

65%
An Old Prospector

63%
Pretty Princess

43%
Break-dancing Machine

28%

The greatest man to ever live, Jesus. I would then like to see the meeting of Jesus and Maynard James Keenan, now THAT would be interesting.

Kenneth's Blurbs
About me:
I'm starting my third year here in College Station, Texas and I must say, it is the most bad ass place in the world. I love to drink beer and to meet new people, it's what I do. Hunting, fishing, and watchin college football are probably my three biggest hobbies, and I love to do the latter two with a cold one. (Guns and alcohol are not an intelligent mix). So if you are in to any of that stuff or not, I'm sure we can still get along, there are few people I can't understand or get along with so don't be shy because I won't be!

I edited my profile at Freeweblayouts.net, check out these Myspace Layouts!

""Carpe Noctum - Seize the night" "Dude...what the hell happened last night?""

Male
21 years old
Pearland, TEXAS
United States

luvmytbs

Oct. 27, 2006, 08:11 AM

mst

Oct. 27, 2006, 08:45 AM

Darla- when you posted the guys myspace thing. did you put horses for life at the bottom?

Manes&Tails

Oct. 27, 2006, 09:21 AM

Darla- when you posted the guys myspace thing. did you put horses for life at the bottom?

No, I don't see that anywhere? I don't think so?

Manes&Tails

Oct. 27, 2006, 09:22 AM

That just shows that the Peterson kid is a real sick individual. I hope the DA got a look at that one.

Darla, we are here for you. Big big hugs to you.

Are you considering taken them to a civil court? You should!

Yes, we are going to civil court,but it could take up to a year?

But, I will see it through!

harvestmoon

Oct. 27, 2006, 09:31 AM

Take screencaps of their Myspace pages. That way, if they change it, you still have proof on file.

flshgordon

Oct. 27, 2006, 10:22 AM

The vast majority of posts on this thread are vents of outrage, suggestions for positive action, and expression of condolence and support. Hardly indicative of a lack of caring.

The only uncaring posts I can find have been attempts to derail/hijack the thread by...the grammar police, the moral police and the defenders of A&M from non-attack.

There is something called timing, Archieflies. Something which you clearly lack. If you stopped spending all your time defending A&M from non-existant blame and attacking people who were venting their outrage and horror -- which is all you have written up until now -- you might get that this is not exactly the time or place to promote A&M equine exhibitions.

Try real hard to imagine how you'd feel just 10 days after getting up in the morning and finding, say, your child murdered, drenched in blood. Ready for some cheering up? If so then you really have a problem.

OK really....did you fall and hit your head on the fencepost mairzeadoats?

Nothing was nasty or out of line in this thread until you started slinging this BS. EVERYONE on this board feels horrible about this and would like to help Darla any way we know how. If I thought there was something other than write or call, I would do it and I'm sure anyone else would. Everyone deals with things like this in their own way, I can't even imagine how I would, but your random nastiness because someone tried to cheer her up is the only rude thing I've seen here. So take a deep breath and see if maybe you can continue to contribute without any more unnecessary drivel like this.

As far as expelling them from school, Blinn, A&M or anyone else involved....I am not a lawyer but I would think their hands are tied until a trial. As much as we all HATE that these sickos aren't 'under the jail' by now, by law I don't think there is anything they can do. I'm sure the lawyers of both schools are telling them everything they can get away with re: suspension or expulsion but unfortunately that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' gets in the way in a case like this until they are tried and convicted. (and they WILL be) Personally I would like to know what idiot put up the money to bail them out......if that were my child, no way

Darla, I will continue to pray for you and your other horse.....I can't imagine he/she is not traumatized as well but I would think right now it might be good for her to be away from the scene of the crime for just a little while. Hopefully you can have her home soon.

DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"

Oct. 27, 2006, 11:20 AM

Just hoping that as each day passes, you are that much closer to resolution, and peace. Hugs to you.

Manes&Tails

Oct. 27, 2006, 06:09 PM

We must keep it going strong! We must see that acts of cruelty never happen again!!

And if it does there will be a very high price to pay!!!

Oldenburg Mom

Oct. 27, 2006, 07:43 PM

Awww Hon.

{{{{{HUGS}}}}

This thread will eventually fade away. And the pain will go too...but nobody will ever be able to take away the good memories you have of your beloved girl.

I'm sorry. I'm so terribly sorry ... more than anything I wish we could ease your pain.

mairzeadoats

Oct. 27, 2006, 08:23 PM

OK really....did you fall and hit your head on the fencepost mairzeadoats?

Nothing was nasty or out of line in this thread until you started slinging this BS. ...
As far as expelling them from school, Blinn, A&M or anyone else involved....I am not a lawyer but I would think their hands are tied until a trial.

Um, excuse me? I think you need to learn to read. In my letter I suggested that IF THE ARTICLES ARE TRUE they be SUSPENDED pending the trial, and only expelled after. One of the two has confessed. Good thing you're not a lawyer. You'd be going hungry, lol.

Darla, I will continue to pray for you and your other horse.....I can't imagine he/she is not traumatized as well but I would think right now it might be good for her to be away from the scene of the crime for just a little while. Hopefully you can have her home soon.

Darla already posted that her horse is no longer kept at home.

mairzeadoats

Oct. 27, 2006, 08:39 PM

We must keep it going strong! We must see that acts of cruelty never happen again!!

And if it does there will be a very high price to pay!!!

Darla, hopefully a lot of people are quietly writing letters and calling the DA, the university and college, and writing to their friends to do the same. I posted my email with the same hope that another poster shared her email to the DA -- to encourage others to do the same.

I will send the contact info from here and a link to a couple of the articles to the same friend who sent me the article about the recently killed collie/lab in Canada. She will write emails herself, and will forward it to her friends and family to do the same.

As OMom said above, this thread will eventually die down, but hopefully the seeds of action have been planted.

In the meantime, please feel free to post in here any time. you need support or an ear. We'll be pulling and praying for you.