DVCTA - DaD Parting Ways?

[saddlesurfer]

First off, I wasn't sure you had serious exposure to the child I used to refer to as "spawn of satan", until now. Obviously, y'all have more than a passing acquaintance with the fellow. :yes:

On a more somber note...

I was watching an interview with Oprah, where the interviewer asked what the most important thing that Maya Angelou had told her, was.

Oprah looked right at the interviewer, and said, "when someone shows you who they are, believe them."

How simple. How eloquent. How true. :yes:

We've seen who they are- do they not look at one another? Does it just not matter when people are morally and ethically bankrupt, anymore? Or isit just that old feeling of, "well, they did it to (your name here), but they would NEVER do it to me." :eek:

Uh huh... :uhoh:


....or in other words, ya just can't pick up a turd by the clean end.

[ASB Stars]

Allright, so you have a problem with me taking the high road- I get it! :rolleyes: ROTFLMAO...

And, OK, so someone thinks I need to get a buck for a clue... :rolleyes:

Do we have anything to signify "barfing now?" :winkgrin:

[saddlesurfer]

Allright, so you have a problem with me taking the high road- I get it! :rolleyes: ROTFLMAO...

And, OK, so someone thinks I need to get a buck for a clue... :rolleyes:

Do we have anything to signify "barfing now?" :winkgrin:

Sorry ASB...I get a little cheeky when it snows. Keep taking the high road.

[MagicRoseFarm]

OMG i dont come on the dressage forum in MONTHS and this is still at the top...

Don't you guys know that the whip you are beating this VERY dead horse with is no longer regulation?

[ASB Stars]

If anyone else has a GMO that is more worthy of soap opera status, let's have 'em step right up. Until then, we have reams- er pages- of material that have not been used yet. All of it entertaining, and yes, as advertised, ALL of it TRUE :yes:

"DAYS (and nights) of our GMO"... "AS the GMO turns" (being as it is it's own little world) and more! :winkgrin:

[centsohuma]

OMG i dont come on the dressage forum in MONTHS and this is still at the top...

Don't you guys know that the whip you are beating this VERY dead horse with is no longer regulation?

Because you are behind the curve or under the pile is no reason for the rest of us to go our separate ways. And who exactly are you to determine when the horse has flatlined?

Since I'm big on handing out clues - try this one:

The players who did the dasterdly deeds never used anything during the "game" that came close to regulation.

Instead of being amazed, "OMG", that this thread is still "at the top" try putting on some indignation that the horse had to die at all.

Now say something of relevance or go back to the barn.

All the Pollyannas out there will forgive me I'm sure if I'm coming off as abrupt but I lose patience with the wide-eyed and useless.

[Old War Horse]

OH, SS WHERE did that come from???
I'm cryin' I'm laughin' so hard!!!

We'll keep this thread alive as long as we want! After all, there is no statue of limitations on fact -finding, is there?? Didn't the Warren Commission publish a book about 4 inches thick after how many years??

Yes, soap opera writers would love this group; As the Stomach Turns, General Horse-Show, Desperate Horsewives, The Old and The Inebriated (can't spell, but it means drunk)... etc, etc.

I think we're providing a great service; the most amusing thread out there!
:lol:

[centsohuma]

OH, SS WHERE did that come from???
I'm cryin' I'm laughin' so hard!!!

We'll keep this thread alive as long as we want! After all, there is no statue of limitations on fact -finding, is there?? Didn't the Warren Commission publish a book about 4 inches thick after how many years??

Yes, soap opera writers would love this group; As the Stomach Turns, General Horse-Show, Desperate Horsewives, The Old and The Inebriated (can't spell, but it means drunk)... etc, etc.

I think we're providing a great service; the most amusing thread out there!
:lol:

You forgot The Young and the Useless and The Daze of Our Lies :rolleyes:

[wineberrywillie]

You forgot The Young and the Useless and The Daze of Our Lies :rolleyes:

All My Hemmoroids, Knuts Landing, GMO Hospital, The Bold & the Brazen, (Lack of) Guiding Light, Secret Storm (no need to alter the name).

[saddlesurfer]

OMG i dont come on the dressage forum in MONTHS and this is still at the top...

Don't you guys know that the whip you are beating this VERY dead horse with is no longer regulation?

Why would you be interested in this thread anyway...other than to support your association with the DAD Breed Show people? As far as "very dead", look at the views this thread has generated. Don't let your "friends" fool you into believing, this is not a hot topic.

[workinprogress]

Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, however, no vet has pronounced this horse dead. Someone did open the gate, beat it with a non-regulation whip, and let it run out the open barn door - but that wasn't us. My whip is regulation and carried because I must - does not beat any one or any thing. We are the ones screaming LOOSE HORSE, while everyone else is picking themselves up, dusting themselves off and saying "What Horse?????"

[ASB Stars]

And there are those saying "horse? WHAT horse?" :winkgrin:

[Canterznomore]

Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, however, no vet has pronounced this horse dead. Someone did open the gate, beat it with a non-regulation whip, and let it run out the open barn door - but that wasn't us. My whip is regulation and carried because I must - does not beat any one or any thing. We are the ones screaming LOOSE HORSE, while everyone else is picking themselves up, dusting themselves off and saying "What Horse?????"

OK, WIP, I just finished laughing and my sides hurt. Boy, do you have it right:yes:

Why am I continually surprised to find the occasional poster showing up wide-eyed and wondrous? They're wearing hoofprints up their back and can't figure why they have a headache.:eek:

I once saw a sign that read "Lead, Follow, or get out of the way".

Few are leaders, many are followers, and the rest, well, they can't be trusted to find their hindparts with a flashlight, two hands, and a map. :rolleyes:

[Canterznomore]

On a more somber note...

I was watching an interview with Oprah, where the interviewer asked what the most important thing that Maya Angelou had told her, was.

Oprah looked right at the interviewer, and said, "when someone shows you who they are, believe them."

How simple. How eloquent. How true. :yes:

Where was Maya when I needed her? One of the main players in this drama was known to me many years prior. I had the opportunity to witness firsthand just how low they could and did sink. Not just with me on occasion but with many others. Time heals all and sometimes we forget or at least let "bygones be bygones". After all, we grow, we mature, we change for the better, right? It's only fair to give someone another chance.

Well, I did. I put the past in the past and befriended this person as they appeared to befriend me.

Then, when I committed the very first cardinal "sin" of thinking for myself, acting on behalf of the betterment of the organization, and standing up for basic principles, the smoke from this person's tiremarks leaving the parking lot on their way to "bubble bubble toil and trouble" could be seen miles away. The one-eighty done by this individual should have left them with permanent whiplash. And they should not be so nieve as to think I'm not aware of the extent of their misdeeds. They are repugnant.

My cautionary tale ends like this - This person showed me, time and again, who they were. I should have believed it.

[ASB Stars]

I applaud your kindness with the consideration that people change and evolve. They grow, and should be allowed their mistakes- as long as they both grow from them, and are careful to ackowledge, and apologize to, those that they might bruise along the way.

I think that there is some kind of default in the human psyche that rewinds to the "they'd NEVER do it to ME!" setting. Which is why I thought so much of the Maya Angelou quote. When I first heard it, thought, "well, isn't THAT interesting?" Then, I took it to heart.

The issue that I believe has left so many people, close to, and at arms length from, this issue, is pretty simple. It isn't just about the heinous behaviour of the principles. It isn't just about their morally and ethically bankrupt activities. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. While this is certainly not power on an unlimited scale, power is a deceptive beast. It is defined by those who seek it.

I think it comes down to betrayal of trust. The people who are most incensed by this ill begotten chapter in an otherwise non-noteworthy microcosm, had their beliefs challenged and the investment of their time and commitment marginalized. I always view someone's time as being the greatest gift they can give- because it is the least replaceable. These people were completely violated, when it comes to that.

And yet, others have lined up to wait their turn to experience the treatment meted out to their predecessors. All of the cliches, from tigers not changing their stripes, on down, still apply.

They stand silent, scoffing at the thoughts that have been shared throughout this "long and ugly" missive.

Because, of course, things are different now, aren't they?

They always are....

[centsohuma]

This split was just finallized in early September. I'm sure the members will read about this in the next newsletter.

Quoting from the November '06 minutes:

"Susan Nicholas, Rita Lowry and Mollie Cameron met with the
attorneys on Friday, October 27 and the separation between DVTCA and DAD is basically complete. DAD still needs approval for their 501(c)(3) status—it has been filed but not yet approved. This is the only outstanding issue for the
separation to be completed."

Am I just splitting hairs or was the above quote erroneous? And as it came from a board member serving on BOTH organizations should we wonder how that came about? Clarification anyone???

[ASB Stars]

The 501 (c)(3) application has to be approved by the IRS. Until such time as it is, they can function as a non-profit, and any donations are tax deductable- UNTIL or UNLESS the application is denied.

So, in that sense, it is a done deal.

[centsohuma]

Thanks ASB for the clarification - also their minutes are the legal "gospel" vs. a bb on a website no matter the poster! :) LOL

[Canterznomore]

Noticed the sad passing of Radnor 3-Day on the eventing web. I've included the link below.

http://www.useventing.com/competitions.php?id=713

Should other shows that view themselves as immortal beware?:eek: Radnor's problems are common to all disciplines and sponsor dollars grow more scarce by the year.

Only time will tell. :rolleyes:

The next sound you hear just may be corks popping on domestic champagne.:D

[ASB Stars]

Well, that leaves a big hole in the Q of F's dance card- she and the Wiz, and some of the court were big time volunteers there. Geez, I suppose they could volunteer at a Soup Kitchen, or something else equally caring! :winkgrin:

[Canterznomore]

The dynamic duo at a soup kitchen - don't see that happening in this or any other lifetime but then anything's possible when ones quest is for recognition.

Though it's always good to have a fallback plan in life - Salvation Army bell ringers? Door knockers for Jehovah's Witness's? Meals on Wheels volunteers? Roadside collection of aluminum cans? (I hear they make big bucks:lol: ) Car wash attendants? WalMart Greeters? Character figures at Walt Disney World? (hear they have an opening for Goofy and Bear Necessities, though not sure about the dance ability for that one).

All admirable vocations though some applicants might not be sufficiently qualified.

Ya just gotta have a plan for lifes potential adversities :mad:

[ASB Stars]

Canterz-

It was meant to be tongue in cheek- It is SO tough to wear a Tux at the soup kitchen, or any of the vocations you suggested- and, the masks at Disney might be entertaining for us- but NOT for those who need to SEE and BE seen! :winkgrin:

Back a ways, someone pointed out that there are nice folks working to get volunteers for DAD, so, as long as they are arms length from Wiz and Fluff (assuming that Wiz is still easing on UP the road come Fall), it sounds like they will be able to go on, for the time being...

[saddlesurfer]

Back a ways, someone pointed out that there are nice folks working to get volunteers for DAD, so, as long as they are arms length from Wiz and Fluff (assuming that Wiz is still easing on UP the road come Fall), it sounds like they will be able to go on, for the time being...

The nice folks will be safe as long as they don't have an opinion that clashes with the agenda of the e-comm. Ditto for the paid personnel. Any word on whether or not the previous Wiz is returning? If he's as smart as his PH.d claims he is, he'll stay in Gatorland, counting manatees.

[ASB Stars]

I think his Piled Higher and Deeper is in Mathmatics- but I could be incorrect... ;)

You know, I wonder that no one has stepped up to take the part of those who we have discussed in such detail. Not one person- and this thing has been read by the multitudes- has attempted to show another side. Are there no FACTS to support a defense? Doesn't that make you wonder-- I mean, doncha kinda figure that they'd speak up for the fearless (OK, and feckless) leaders? :confused:

The folks who have shared their thoughtful opinions on here have done so in the wide open- where reprisal could be easily attempted. :eek:

Or is it just impossible to defend the indefensible? :winkgrin:

[Old War Horse]

:confused: Just browsing the FEI Calendar, and DAD is listed as a CDI-W, but the usual 3*** (stars) are missing?? Did they lose them? This was a threat a few years ago, due to the lousy footing in the warm-up.
And why bother being a World Cup qualifier in late 2007, when the World Cup won't come around again until 2009???
Did someone "forget" to do the paperwork???? Aren't there minions to do that sort of thing???
:confused:

[wineberrywillie]

:confused: Just browsing the FEI Calendar, and DAD is listed as a CDI-W, but the usual 3*** (stars) are missing?? Did they lose them? This was a threat a few years ago, due to the lousy footing in the warm-up.
And why bother being a World Cup qualifier in late 2007, when the World Cup won't come around again until 2009???
Did someone "forget" to do the paperwork???? Aren't there minions to do that sort of thing???
:confused:

WOW! The show is listed as CDI-W & not CDI3*? Geez.:confused: Wonder what happened there?:eek:

[centsohuma]

Hmmmm....well, a "W" is a world cup q'er; that went missing a few years ago and the 3 stars stayed put. I remember some mumbled reasons for why the "W" went missing but can't recall the "talking points" handed out at the time.

3 stars gone missing? :uhoh: Now that's a far different thing - quite a big deal. :eek:

Heck of a thing to exclude if it's just a typo. :sigh:

A crown without a star - now that's just sad....tsk, tsk,tsk....:winkgrin:

[centsohuma]

The nice folks will be safe as long as they don't have an opinion that clashes with the agenda of the e-comm. Ditto for the paid personnel. Any word on whether or not the previous Wiz is returning? If he's as smart as his PH.d claims he is, he'll stay in Gatorland, counting manatees.

Rumor has it the Queen Manatee was left locally landlocked :D

"Thar she BLOWS" :cool:

[centsohuma]

Let's all put on our best polyester duds, dab on the eau de cologne, and head on down to the annual "I Love You, You Love Me, Who Do We Love" fest, also known as "Pickin' the Pope Party" tomorrow night.

Always good eats - gummy chicken, hard cheese, warm beer, and cold shoulders.

I mean it has to be a class act :cool: - the local Beauty Queen of West Virginnie 1964 plans it every year.

C'mon down now, y'hea? :o

[centsohuma]

Something ASB said one "post" ago got me thinking and I'm offering a challenge.

ASB is quite correct - if this thread is "long and ugly" (by the way, that quote is in their november minutes - finally posted on their website) then please, someone with an opposing view, please jump into this forum and tell us where we've got it wrong. We're all ears and eyes :D

HEllloooooooooooooo? Anybody out there? :confused:

It's not like them to be silent - er, doh, that's right...:sigh: This would be an OPEN forum. They don't do open....nope, don't think so....:uhoh:

[saddlesurfer]

Damn Cents...you're on a roll tonight! LMAO!

I'd rather be dead than go to that freakin Elk's Lodge, eat rubber chicken & be entertained by the Queen of W.Va's slide shows. Yawnnnn. Ya need the cheap wine to get through the night!

[Erin]

Howzabout you all try to keep this discussion on an adult level, without the namecalling, hmm?

[saddlesurfer]

I deserve the smack on the wrist...Sorry.

[saddlesurfer]

Damn Cents...you're on a roll tonight! LMAO!

I'd rather be dead than go to that freakin Elk's Lodge, eat rubber chicken & be entertained by the boring slide shows. Yawnnnn. Ya need the cheap wine to get through the night!

[ASB Stars]

Rumor has it the Queen Manatee was left locally landlocked :D

"Thar she BLOWS" :cool:


OK, now that is downright hysterical. :yes:

I think that these are pseudonyms- not to be confused with childish behaviour, and name calling. These protect someone- possibly the innocent, which would be US! :yes:

But the menu at the awards banquet does sound more like what they are serving at the Chester County SPCA- God help those poor animals!

How do we find out of the the theft of the stars? As I am particularly partial to stars... :winkgrin:

[Old War Horse]

Oh no, everytime they have one of those things, it snows or something. Kinda like someone upstairs doesn't like the goings on.
Well, after they sing Kum-by-ya, and pat each other on the back, after re-electing the same person again, all will be well for a while, and then back to mediocrity (I'm havin' a time with the spellin' today)........
This club needs a real wake up call: it should go back to the good strong CTA it used to be, before the DAD tail started wagging the dog. Clean sweep on the leaders, new ideas, fresh faces, and get moving again. It's so obvious with the lack of members, that there is not much to attract people to it. The old founders are turning in their graves.....
And, centso, you WERE on a roll..... I didn't remember seeing any names mentioned (?)

[centsohuma]

And, centso, you WERE on a roll..... I didn't remember seeing any names mentioned (?)

OWH,

The moderator was absolutely correct in admonishing the name calling.

I owe a profound apology to manatees everywhere. Won't happen again.

[Canterznomore]

:confused: Just browsing the FEI Calendar, and DAD is listed as a CDI-W, but the usual 3*** (stars) are missing?? Did they lose them? This was a threat a few years ago, due to the lousy footing in the warm-up.
And why bother being a World Cup qualifier in late 2007, when the World Cup won't come around again until 2009???
Did someone "forget" to do the paperwork???? Aren't there minions to do that sort of thing???
:confused:

Checked out their web page to see if maybe the fei calendar was wrong - hummmph, they have themselves listed as CDI-W/Y/J :confused: - not a star in sight.

Ve haf vays of vinding out vut dis meansh...ve vill make dem talk if ve haf to grrrrill dem like ze furter on de griiiidle....jes, ve vill!! :winkgrin:

[Old War Horse]

Well, Canterz, I would tend to believe the FEI about these things; after all, it's THEIR rules you're trying to follow!
I'm not sure of the significance of using 2 or 3 stars on your prize list. Actually, it may just have something to do with the number and designation (I, O, R) of your judges.
DAD always said the reason they needed to be this 3* event, was to give the riders an opportunity to qualify for other levels. The World Cup points are an entirely different thing from other "points" or qualifiers.
Does anyone know if a score at a 3* can be used to qualify for the Olympics??
Just recently, there are new designations for 4* and 5* events; it all has to do with the judges, or whether the organizing committee pays for meals and accomodations for the riders, and the amount of prize money offered must be within certain levels (like, ALOT!).

[ASB Stars]

Well, I walked into Ye Olde Tack Shoppe today, to have someone tell me, actually volunteer to me, that the DVCTA shindig was as full as full could be! Apparently, not one seat was available, according to this report. This from a VERY nice lady, who I know only in passing.

So, in spite of the weather, the partee went on as usual. :sleepy:

Good for you, says I- and how many people DO fit into that hall? Ionly ask, because, although I honestly don't give a S*&^ about DVCTA, someone said, awhile back, that only 70 some odd had re-upped- right? :confused:

Well, here is hoping they all got home safe on the slippery roads :yes:

Now, back to DAD, please tell me again- what happened to the stars? :confused:

[wineberrywillie]

Well, I walked into Ye Olde Tack Shoppe today, to have someone tell me, actually volunteer to me, that the DVCTA shindig was as full as full could be! Apparently, not one seat was available, according to this report. This from a VERY nice lady, who I know only in passing.

So, in spite of the weather, the partee went on as usual. :sleepy:

Good for you, says I- and how many people DO fit into that hall? Ionly ask, because, although I honestly don't give a S*&^ about DVCTA, someone said, awhile back, that only 70 some odd had re-upped- right? :confused:

Well, here is hoping they all got home safe on the slippery roads :yes:

Now, back to DAD, please tell me again- what happened to the stars? :confused:


The stars be a-missing. No info why. Maybe Old War Horse has information. She seems to understand the system of designations.

[centsohuma]

Well, I walked into Ye Olde Tack Shoppe today, to have someone tell me, actually volunteer to me, that the DVCTA shindig was as full as full could be! Apparently, not one seat was available, according to this report. This from a VERY nice lady, who I know only in passing.

So, in spite of the weather, the partee went on as usual. :sleepy:

Good for you, says I- and how many people DO fit into that hall? Ionly ask, because, although I honestly don't give a S*&^ about DVCTA, someone said, awhile back, that only 70 some odd had re-upped- right? :confused:

Well, here is hoping they all got home safe on the slippery roads :yes:

Now, back to DAD, please tell me again- what happened to the stars? :confused:

I'd place good money to guess who it was that beat feet to tell you about the annual chicken-fest, and I'd win! No doubt a "reader only" of this thread as well :yes:

SRO - let's not get too excited; we're not talking DuP CC ballroom here. It's the ELKS LODGE after all. (no disrespect to any Elk C. members). Though I will admit it's QUITE a relief to know they had a great turnout and no Ritz crackers went uneaten.

Gee - I wonder who got elected as their "new" president?? ROFL LMAO :D Oh well, while they lose points for originality they get a few for consistency. :)

Oh wow, :eek:, just realized - does this mean we'll actually get to view the December '06 minutes now that they've been approved? :confused: My palms are all sweaty with anticipation! :D

Curiosity did get the best of me and I checked in on the USDF web - member roster lists the current number at about 117 if memory serves. Should rise as spring approaches; for their sake it had better.

I share your total lack of concern and/or enthusiasm regarding the org. :sleepy: Another year is upon them and what it brings is up to them.

DAD minus stars? :confused: Wow, now that's a morsel to chew on for awhile.

[wineberrywillie]

Hey, DVCTA has set their webpage to music! :eek: Surely the first of many improvements in 07. :D

Now they have to figure out how to dig the adult team out of the red...maybe they could do a carwash, naaa, that's for soccer moms & the high school band. How bout instead of a car wash they can do a sheath wash :eek: ? Just crunching ideas.:D

[centsohuma]

Hey, DVCTA has set their webpage to music! :eek: Surely the first of many improvements in 07. :D

Now they have to figure out how to dig the adult team out of the red...maybe they could do a carwash, naaa, that's for soccer moms & the high school band. How bout instead of a car wash they can do a sheath wash :eek: ? Just crunching ideas.:D


A "sheath wash"?????????????

ROFL LMAO

There are so MANY POSSIBLE REPLIES to that suggestion, ahem, I'm blowing a mental fuse; :eek: any of which would get me booted off the bb's :rolleyes:

.....nope, not gonna say it....nope, nope, nope :o

P.S. What's the music on the site? - no wait, let me guess, ummm, Theme from Titanic?

[ASB Stars]

Anyone see the letter to the Editor in it? :winkgrin:

About Hats? :yes:

[Old War Horse]

ASB; don't have a subscription, can't see it! What's it about?? Who wrote it???

[ASB Stars]

I'm sorry was so slow getting this out here- I have been having too much fun outside in this delightful weather... :winkgrin:


Under the above caption, the following leter appears on page 170 of the 2.2.07 Chronicle:

My husband and I had a memorable time showing our yearling filly in-hand at Dressage At Devon (Oct.13,p.92). It was something we had never tried before, and we were awed by the magnitude of this amazing show.

To commemorate this occasion, I purchased a cap that I subsequently lost! With litle hope, I e-mailed an appeal for a replacement to the Dressage at Devon Committee. Within 72 hours, Sharon Klotz, the treasurer, and Melanie Sloyer, the breed show chairman, had conspired to arrange a replacement for me.

That such busy people could find this time humbles me, and I thank them, and everyone like them, for making the horse world so special.
Jane Rodd
Anacramdale, NY

[Old War Horse]

Yeah, the word "conspired" is the right word! Gee, do you think they aren't busy??? With the Wiz not around, lots of time on lots of hands....
"awed with the magnitude of this amazing show" means that she doesn't get out much...
:winkgrin:

[sporthorsefilly]

Interesting, "awed with the magnitude of this amazing show" means that she doesn't get out much...

My thoughts too.

I took my filly there in '04 thinking, wow, this will be great! Ugh, no...first trailering in isn't provided for, there was a state of confusion in the check in area, more confusion getting back score sheets, not to mention the other distressed exhibitors who couldn't get info.
For all this (and rain) we drove 3.5 hours in each direction???
OK been there, done that.

Must have been a really nice show once upon a time.

My sympathies on the coupe...

[Old War Horse]

Yeah, it's amazing it gets off the ground at all, knowing who's in charge!!
Wonder if that thread about the awful stalls is still alive?? There was a movement around to try and get the DHS to fix the old stalls, but it will take eons before it's all done. Check back next century.
:no: :lol:

[Old War Horse]

Hey centso, you out there??

[saddlesurfer]

The show was run well, years before the present administration. Everyone worked well together, jobs were delegated appropriately & most important...people were trusted & there was no back-biting when a person walked out of the room. I stood many times, in conversations where I was shocked at the gossip leveled against people that, on the surface, were good friends. Not a very loyal or honest bunch.

Stalls? Stalls will never change. It will always be a sticking point. The neccessary capital needed to renovate is not there during these economical times. They may do a few here & there that are really deplorable & but it is such a massive, costly project.

[Xcuzme]

Interesting, "awed with the magnitude of this amazing show" means that she doesn't get out much...

My thoughts too.

I took my filly there in '04 thinking, wow, this will be great! Ugh, no...first trailering in isn't provided for, there was a state of confusion in the check in area,


This thread is a long time running with no end in sight. IMHO that's neither bad nor good. I have read and refrained from posting until the above quote appeared.

I'm in a position to know that several years back, the idea of a basic stabling chart to be made available to and for arriving exhibitors was a unique and heretofore unthought of concept, when presented to some who you would think should know better :eek:

Sad but true -after all, ya can't make this stuff up :no:

[Xcuzme]

That such busy people could find this time humbles me, and I thank them, and everyone like them, for making the horse world so special.
Jane Rodd
Anacramdale, NY

Lovely gesture, really, for a lady who obviously loved her hat!:D Life is filled with random acts of kindness.

As far as the rest of the statement - I'm in possession of a few nuggets of info. that if shared would blow said hat off her head. :sadsmile:

As I'm not into disillusioning people for sport I'll stay mum.:yes:

[ASB Stars]

Well, here is a thought, on the heels of our new posters enigmatic statements. We can play "can you top this?" Each person gets to tell a story about "the biggest and best Dressage Show in the USA- just ask us" :rolleyes: , and the next person can try to come up with a story that is even MORE entertaining? :yes:

Who would like to start? :winkgrin:

This all begs the question- is this thread getting "longer and uglier"? :cool:

[wineberrywillie]

Well, here is a thought, on the heels of our new posters enigmatic statements. We can play "can you top this?" Each person gets to tell a story about "the biggest and best Dressage Show in the USA- just ask us" :rolleyes: , and the next person can try to come up with a story that is even MORE entertaining? :yes:

Who would like to start? :winkgrin:

This all begs the question- is this thread getting "longer and uglier"? :cool:

The stories I can tell are long & interesting & read like the National "Horse-Show" Enquirer but I will keep them to myself. For me to gossip about them only shows I am the same as they are.

If nothing else, I've learned to drink upstream from the swine.

[centsohuma]

The stories I can tell are long & interesting & read like the National "Horse-Show" Enquirer but I will keep them to myself. For me to gossip about them only shows I am the same as they are.

If nothing else, I've learned to drink upstream from the swine.

Thank you and large :D to all who missed me. Every now and then life takes over and the bb's are relegated to their proper place in it. Unlike the grateful and humbled hat lady I do get out and about. After all, bb's will never replace a relaxing day at the spa.

WBW, gossip as I see it is spreading tales that may or may not be true or even accurate. I think ASB has more in mind a "truth or dare" event.

Dare we tell the truth about our life experiences in the hallowed hamlet? Tis indeed tempting....:D Collectively I'm sure we have enough material to make the herd of the hamlet nervous.

And for those of you out there "tsk tsking" this "long and ugly" epistle may I direct you to the number of views its racked up - over 9000 and climbing. Seems there are more than a few voyeurs out there. :winkgrin:

Vote early - vote often! LMAO :rolleyes:

[centsohuma]

The show was run well, years before the present administration. Everyone worked well together, jobs were delegated appropriately & most important...people were trusted & there was no back-biting when a person walked out of the room. I stood many times, in conversations where I was shocked at the gossip leveled against people that, on the surface, were good friends. Not a very loyal or honest bunch.

SS,

I'd love to agree with you completely but I can't rewrite or ignore history. The show has always run well (not to say it couldn't run exceedingly better) considering the magnitude of the endeavor regardless of the leadership. It has always been the behind the scenes drama that defines ones perspective.

Spectators see beautiful horses - they're blissfully unaware that there may be horses-*ss's nearby. They don't have to deal with them.

Volunteers are happy as hogs in high mud if they've been fortunate enough to arrive, do their jobs uneventfully, and go home with a trinket and fond memories of all the pretty horses.

Competitors think the world revolves around the show logo if they scored well and brought home a ribbon with said logo at its center. Stabling issues are more easily forgotten or forgiven. Evidence of this is they keep on comin' year after year.

Boxholders may scream about the price, the parking (or lack of) or even their boxy neighbors - it all vanishes after the first bottle of vino is uncorked and the musical rides take centerline. And they stand in line, boxholder nazi's or not, and clamor for the same highly-priced and highly-valued piece of real estate for the following year.

In the face of this, a bb thread seems trivial or petty to some; a place where the disgruntled people who just "don't get it" come to vent their angst and grind their individual and personal axes.

What I'm trying to say is that it is not and never has been about "the show". The show is inanimate - it is the people who bring it to life and give it a particular tone or flavor. This thread is about some of those people. I say some - certainly not all. Do I have to recite the "few bad apples" ditty? And even THAT is relative - if you've been fortunate to have never run afoul of the worm-laden fruit you won't "get it" either. And thank your lucky stars for it!

The event has, in my experience, never been a eutopia. Lots of people do lots of work in a short time and under the best of circumstances get on each others last nerve. Grace under pressure isn't always plentiful. And sad to say, there has always been a certain degree of backbiting - the difference as I see it is that the bites were usually superficial. No one went for anyone's jugular. There seemed to be an invisible line that people of old weren't willing to cross. That line got erased, the gloves came off, no threshold was too low, and stooping to meet it became a daily occurance. Some brought with them a whole new standard of behavior.

Their momma's would be proud :no:

[saddlesurfer]

Welcome back from the spa Cents!
Guess I should have clarified "run well". The show hasn't been run well & after a decade of performing the job, you'd think the kinks would be ironed out...As another poster pointed out, when the suggestion of a stabling chart at the gate was mentioned, you could see the 25 watt light bulbs going off above the dull heads.
"Run well", was to mean, cohesive, cooperative committee. Not catty, disruptive & totalitarian.

[Canterznomore]

MINUTES OF DVCTA BOARD OF DIRECTORS
December 6, 2006
Call To Order: A meeting of the Board Of Directors of DVCTA was held in the cafeteria at New Bolton Center in Unionville, PA on December 6, 2006. The meeting was called to order at 7:43pm, with President Susan Nicholas presiding.
Margo Marano recorded the Minutes.
Susan Nicholas, Mary Grace, Margo Marano, Mary deLesdernier, Danni Toscano, Mollie Cameron, Rebecca Cord, Anecia Delduco, Eileen Johnston,
Lori Kaminski, Cara Klothe, and Rita Lowry, were in attendance. Patsy Albers, Cindy Buckland, Anne Moss, Melanie Sloyer and Carol Swetlin were excused. " ....with me so far?:yes: Ok, now pay close attention ~

excerpted from minutes, and I copy and paste the following:


"Dressage At Devon: Melanie Sloyer said plans for the 2007 show are moving forward." :eek:

Team Competition: ...."Melanie Sloyer said that the Team Competition was discussed at the USDF Convention, with the idea of moving the show into the summer months and possibly hosting it at Devon. There are 400 stalls available, and Devon would be a draw for riders...." :eek:

"Mollie Cameron moved that in cases of emergency or urgency DVCTA could conduct a Board vote via email, providing that there was a quorum. Melanie Sloyer seconded her motion." :eek:

These minutes were approved:confused: were they not:confused: at the annual meeting:confused:


Ummm....Unless I'm missing something, how could Melanie Sloyer be excused from Dec. mtg but still comment on DAD progress, the team championships & even make a motion?

Possible options are listed below - please vote for your favorite one :lol:

1. Member attendance by phone?

2. Melanie has a twin?

3. An alien Melanie attended the meeting?

4. As it was December she was in costume? Ho-Ho-Ho

5. A ventriloquist bod member brought a look-alike puppet in her absence?

6. She was channeled through bod member via spirit guide?

7. ESP?

8. Relay homing pidgeons ready and waiting to take flight with itty-bitty post-its?

9. DVCTA is now is possession of state-of-the-art holographic equipment on loan from the CIA?

10. Lights were dimmed in the cafeteria, a crystal ball produced, and POOF! she reports, comments, and motions. (ball on loan from Dion Warwick)

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE - RESULTS TO BE TABULATED DURING THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. :rolleyes:

[ASB Stars]

MINUTES OF DVCTA BOARD OF DIRECTORS
December 6, 2006
Call To Order: A meeting of the Board Of Directors of DVCTA was held in the cafeteria at New Bolton Center in Unionville, PA on December 6, 2006. The meeting was called to order at 7:43pm, with President Susan Nicholas presiding.
Margo Marano recorded the Minutes.
Susan Nicholas, Mary Grace, Margo Marano, Mary deLesdernier, Danni Toscano, Mollie Cameron, Rebecca Cord, Anecia Delduco, Eileen Johnston,
Lori Kaminski, Cara Klothe, and Rita Lowry, were in attendance. Patsy Albers, Cindy Buckland, Anne Moss, Melanie Sloyer and Carol Swetlin were excused. " ....with me so far?:yes: Ok, now pay close attention ~

excerpted from minutes, and I copy and paste the following:


"Dressage At Devon: Melanie Sloyer said plans for the 2007 show are moving forward." :eek:

Team Competition: ...."Melanie Sloyer said that the Team Competition was discussed at the USDF Convention, with the idea of moving the show into the summer months and possibly hosting it at Devon. There are 400 stalls available, and Devon would be a draw for riders...." :eek:

"Mollie Cameron moved that in cases of emergency or urgency DVCTA could conduct a Board vote via email, providing that there was a quorum. Melanie Sloyer seconded her motion." :eek:

These minutes were approved:confused: were they not:confused: at the annual meeting:confused:


Ummm....Unless I'm missing something, how could Melanie Sloyer be excused from Dec. mtg but still comment on DAD progress, the team championships & even make a motion?

Possible options are listed below - please vote for your favorite one :lol:

1. Member attendance by phone?

2. Melanie has a twin?

3. An alien Melanie attended the meeting?

4. As it was December she was in costume? Ho-Ho-Ho

5. A ventriloquist bod member brought a look-alike puppet in her absence?

6. She was channeled through bod member via spirit guide?

7. ESP?

8. Relay homing pidgeons ready and waiting to take flight with itty-bitty post-its?

9. DVCTA is now is possession of state-of-the-art holographic equipment on loan from the CIA?

10. Lights were dimmed in the cafeteria, a crystal ball produced, and POOF! she reports, comments, and motions. (ball on loan from Dion Warwick)

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE - RESULTS TO BE TABULATED DURING THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. :rolleyes:

Well, this is interesting, and since, as of this post, there have been 9,301 reads on this thread, I am thinking that we- the folks contributing to this- aren't the only ones reading. However, they may feel that they do not need to dignify this, or they may have circled the wagons, and decided not to play- let's face it "Toto Times Two" wasn't exactly Mata Hari...and her statement about DAD 2007 sounds an awful lot like...MELANIE!

In any event it would be delightful to hear from them, but, since they don't seem want to answer the easy questions- let alone deal with the harder ones, we'll just have to keep on looking for those answers on our own, super sleuths that we are!

MS used to tell everyone that "her crystal ball is in the shop", so I think that one is out. Twins and aliens- Ok, that is just scary, but a surplus Santa suit, thats a lotta red, but maybe! :winkgrin:

Next- I wanna SEE that puppet... :eek: and the channeling, what if she decided NOT to leave the body- volunteers anyone? :uhoh: esp, nah, and the pidgeons...you are going to get them on board how? :LOL:

Any affiliation the DVCTA has to the CIA is probably only comparable in the era of W.... :yes:

I think she phoned it in, myself. Does this prove she gives good phone? :rolleyes:

[Xcuzme]

... but, since they don't seem want to answer the easy questions- let alone deal with the harder ones, we'll just have to keep on looking for those answers on our own, super sleuths that we are!

I think she phoned it in, myself. Does this prove she gives good phone? :rolleyes:

The example of a hard question being - who actually attended their meeting???:confused: :lol: Okie dokey then, moving right along...:rolleyes:

"gives good phone"????? ROFL LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

ASB, I think there's a job for you on SNL if you want it! :yes:

[Xcuzme]

I cast my vote for number 5.

I always loved Whalen and Madame :D

[ASB Stars]

101 more views since yesterday, this time... :yes:

I am thinking I'll keep my day job-it pays the bills, but Thanks! :winkgrin:

Any word on he loss of stars? :uhoh:

[centsohuma]

It appears not a star in sight :confused:

Get out your 'ummm-brellas ;)

[centsohuma]

Ummm....Unless I'm missing something, how could Melanie Sloyer be excused from Dec. mtg but still comment on DAD progress, the team championships & even make a motion?

Possible options are listed below - please vote for your favorite one :lol:

1. Member attendance by phone?

2. Melanie has a twin?

3. An alien Melanie attended the meeting?

4. As it was December she was in costume? Ho-Ho-Ho

5. A ventriloquist bod member brought a look-alike puppet in her absence?

6. She was channeled through bod member via spirit guide?

7. ESP?

8. Relay homing pidgeons ready and waiting to take flight with itty-bitty post-its?

9. DVCTA is now is possession of state-of-the-art holographic equipment on loan from the CIA?

10. Lights were dimmed in the cafeteria, a crystal ball produced, and POOF! she reports, comments, and motions. (ball on loan from Dion Warwick)

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE - RESULTS TO BE TABULATED DURING THE NEXT BOARD MEETING. :rolleyes:

Casting my vote for lucky number 1 - it's been rumored that she do like to chat on Mr. Bell's invention.

By the way Canterz, don't you think number 3 might lean toward redundancy? :rolleyes:

[Old War Horse]

I think those that "know" have circled the wagons, as ASB has mentioned, and we may never know.... another case of not letting the public know what's going on - typical! Stars or no stars..:no:
I think we'll find that the minute-taker at the meeting just didn't notice the late arrival of some meeting attendees, and didn't correct the minutes before posting them. Or, as it was said, they're allowing phone-in board meeting attendance! Telephone meetings are now allowed. What's next? Meetings by ESP? Shows how much they really WANT to attend the "bored" meetings!
Back in the day, it was actually FUN and interesting to attend those meetings - you saw your friends, made new ones, found out what was going on and actually felt like you were a part of the dressage community in the local area. Now the meeting is just a minor inconvenience. Oh for the good ole days!
:no:

[centsohuma]

101 more views since yesterday, this time... :yes:

They may tsk tsk but read they do - voyeurs the LOT of them :D OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! :)


No longer begs the question "is the thread growing longer..." I will always take umbrage with the "ugly" - we simply have never owned rose-colored specs. :cool:

I prefer D&G's in a tasteful tortoiseshell. :)

[ASB Stars]

OK, so who at USDF do we email to find out where the stars got to? :confused:

Suggestions? :winkgrin:

[Canterznomore]

OK, so who at USDF do we email to find out where the stars got to? :confused:

Suggestions? :winkgrin:

That's an easy one - start w/USDF's Krystina Firth, Sr. Competitions Director at

kfirth@usdf.org ;)

She's quite a lovely and capable lady.

[angeloflite]

Helloo y'all :)

Logged on and this thread is still racking up views :eek:

Admittedly, I enjoyed the read though the content has shifted kinda from the original thread title :yes:

Maybe a new thread just called "DVCTA's Ways"? :lol:

I read the club minutes and have a suggestion for how to raise funds - why not sell the minutes to hospitals, dentists, etc. They'd save millions on the cost of anesthesia...:sleepy:

Have a good nite all and I'll check back with ya later :D

[ASB Stars]

OK, so DID contact her...here is what happened...remember, this is backwards chronologically...




I do not know what you are talking about when you say 'stars', but the show titled 'Dressage at Devon' is USDF recognized and you may find at the link below.


Thank you!
Krystina Firth
Senior Coordinator, Competitions
United States Dressage Federation
4051 Iron Works Parkway
Lexington, KY 40511
Phone: 859-271-7895
Fax: 859-971-7722

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:bryndewinesfarm@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:46 PM
To: Krystina Firth
Subject: RE: Dressage at Devon


Sadly, the link did not work- however, I did go to the site, and looked again, and I do not see any stars.

Do other shows in the country have designations as three star? Is Dressage at Devon a three star?

Thanks!



-------Original Message-------

From: Krystina Firth
Date: 02/14/07 14:54:11
Subject: RE: Dressage at Devon

Hi , I just checked and Dressage at Devon is listed on our website? I am not sure why you cannot see it, please see link below.


http://www.usdf.org/CalendarEvents/Competitions/2007/competitions.asp?Regionpass=1


Thank you!
Krystina Firth
Senior Coordinator, Competitions
United States Dressage Federation
4051 Iron Works Parkway
Lexington, KY 40511
Phone: 859-271-7895
Fax: 859-971-7722

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:bryndewinesfarm@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Krystina Firth
Subject: Dressage at Devon



Ms. Firth:

I recently noticed that DAD no longer seemed to be ranked as a three star competition, according to the USDF site. Could you please let me know if this is correct? If not, what is the current ranking? How is this determined each year, as it seems to have changed?

I have inquired of the DAD committee, and have not had a response.

Thanks for your time!

[yaya]

USDF has nothing to do with the stars of a CDI, that is under the jurisdiction of the FEI.

According to the FEI rules, a show that is designated a CDI-W doesn't need stars. It is ranked above a starred show. So Devon didn't lose anything. It actually bumped up a notch.

http://www.horsesport.org/d/PDFS/DressageRules2006_w_corr_07_000.pdf

Article 420 CATEGORIES OF INTERNATIONAL DRESSAGE EVENTS
1. In conformity with the General Regulations, the International Dressage Events are divided into CDIs 1*, CDIs 2* (CIMs see Gen Reg. Appendix D), CDls 3*, CDIs4*, CDIs5*, CDI-Ws, CDIOs, Championships, Regional and Olympic Games which must be held according to the Rules given in the following articles, unless otherwise stated in special Rules for any of these events

4.CDI-Ws. Events, where a World Cup competition is held are indicated by the addition of the letter “W”. Also refer to World Cup Rules for Dressage.

[ASB Stars]

But USDF folks don't know anything about it, at all? :confused:

Gee willikers!

At least, now we know (being as no one else wanted to share) :lol:

[yaya]

And why bother being a World Cup qualifier in late 2007, when the World Cup won't come around again until 2009???


The World Cup is held every year.

It's things like the World Equestrian Games, Pan Am Games, and Olympics that are held every 4 years. WEGs are 2 years after each Olympics, and Pan Ams are 3 years after each Olympics (or 1 year before, whichever way you want to look at it).

[Canterznomore]

USDF has nothing to do with the stars of a CDI, that is under the jurisdiction of the FEI.

According to the FEI rules, a show that is designated a CDI-W doesn't need stars. It is ranked above a starred show. So Devon didn't lose anything. It actually bumped up a notch.

Yaya,

I'm someone who has been around and spent years on the block, so to speak. I know for a fact that DAD has been designated as a "W" in years past. (and yes, I know W stands for World Cup Q). With that ranking was also 3 *'s - front of program and all advertising material stated it was a ***W.
I also realize no one changes rules more than these horse org's. so if they've decided that once a "W" the three stars are superfluous, then so be it.
I also recall when the "W" was gone for a bit and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth by those associated w/the show. Yes, the "W" was a big deal and while they tried to downplay it, its absence caused angst. So for those years the show was simply a 3 star.

So - you see the poster's confusion with this. In past years, the stars and/or the W ranking(s) seemed to be entirely different designations with the show being desirous of both.

As for the contact from USDF - for someone who has been around the dressage world for a long time, the fact that she apparently didn't understand what was meant by "stars" is somewhat surprising.:eek: Regardless of what jurisdiction is held by FEI they're not in a different solar system than USDF, if you see my point.:sadsmile:

[Xcuzme]

USDF has nothing to do with the stars of a CDI, that is under the jurisdiction of the FEI.

According to the FEI rules, a show that is designated a CDI-W doesn't need stars. It is ranked above a starred show. So Devon didn't lose anything. It actually bumped up a notch.

4.CDI-Ws. Events, where a World Cup competition is held are indicated by the addition of the letter “W”. Also refer to World Cup Rules for Dressage.


All due respect I tend to disagree with your conclusion.

In #4 it states "Events, where a World Cup competition is held are indicated by the ADDITION of the letter "W"... this to me says there has to be a "star" ranking in the first place - the "W" may be ADDED. This would also make more sense in light of the previous post from Canterz.

So, begs the question - why no stars????????????????:confused:

[ASB Stars]

I would simply point out that if Ms. Firth wishes to convince us that she knows nothing of stars, she needs to carefully consider whether she is emplyed by the USDF, and therefore should certainly be able to answer the question directly, or whether she wants to be coy, due to any possible communiques she has received from the Wiz, and/or his devotees.

I posted the emails so that all an sundry could see what type of a response was received.

Not too terribly professional down there at the Horse Park, are they?

[yaya]

Well, take a look at the FEI calendar:
http://www.horsesport.org/d/calendar/calendar.htm

Nowhere in that calendar does a CDI-W also list stars. I think they mean the W is added to the CDI designation, not in addition to whatever stars may have been there before.

Oops - it's in two places. One in the Netherlands, and a 3-star in Poland that is also a World Cup League Final. All others just list as CDI-W.

[wineberrywillie]

"Oops - it's in two places. One in the Netherlands, and a 3-star in Poland that is also a World Cup League Final. All others just list as CDI-W."

There in lies what is being questioned by past posters. Historically, DAD has had the designation of CDI***. THe "W" comes & goes. So what happened to the stars? If you go back a decade or so, their designations flip from a CDI-W to CDI***W to CDI***. Obviously, there must be some method to the madness. :confused:

[Xcuzme]

"Oops - it's in two places. One in the Netherlands, and a 3-star in Poland that is also a World Cup League Final. All others just list as CDI-W."

There in lies what is being questioned by past posters. Historically, DAD has had the designation of CDI***. THe "W" comes & goes. So what happened to the stars? If you go back a decade or so, their designations flip from a CDI-W to CDI***W to CDI***. Obviously, there must be some method to the madness. :confused:

My point exactly. :o

[yaya]

I think y'all are making too big a deal out of why the stars are there or not, and too eager to jump to the conclusion that somone has done something wrong.

If you take a look at the FEI requirements for each level, DAD can be no lower than a 3*, or else they would not be able to offer the Grand Prix Special or Grand Prix Freestyle.

http://www.horsesport.org/fei_documents/PDFS/CI_Categories_2007_updateOCT.pdf

Basically, to be a CDI-W you have to be at least a 3* in order to include the GP levels (which is what is competed in the World Cup!)

I think it is just easier to put CDI-W without the stars. It may be something as simple as fashion as to whether the stars are put with the W designation or not.

I'll keep looking for the rules on that since no one else seems to be able to research before accusing.

[Canterznomore]

If I was intimately involved w/a show of any sort and read LEGITIMATE questions of its ranking and knew the answer I'd beat feet to my keyboard and reply - after all, it's the courteous thing to do is it not??? :yes:

Giving all the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they're busy compiling new and timely information regarding the show for their website, which if you look, is sadly outdated:(

I mean, there ought to be new and exciting information:yes: - the person that may or may not have been at their 12/06 meeting said "plans for the 2007 show are moving forward..." :lol: ....just sayin'.....:winkgrin:

[yaya]

Here's a chart that may be easier to read (Annex XII, pg 71 of the pdf):

http://www.horsesport.org/d/PDFS/DressageRules2006_w_corr_07_000.pdf

You can see here that a CDI3* and CDI-W are the same level (they are in the same column). But not all 3* are World Cup qualifiers, hence the CDI-W designation.

[ASB Stars]

For me, there are now TWO issues:

1. What the status of the show is in re: STARS :rolleyes:

2. Why the coy answer from USDF? This was a simple question. All it required was a straight forward answer. If Ms. Thang believes that her answer was user friendly in the "we here at the USDF are here to serve" kind of way, I beg to differ. :uhoh:

Yaya's reply shows-- gasp-- THREE stars, but the site, alas, does not. :no:

And we are simply saying, "Why?" In the past, they flew the three big *** high. We were simply asking "why not now?" :confused:

Now, that isn't so hard, is it? :winkgrin:

[yaya]

According to the 2006 prize list, they were not a World Cup Qualifier last year, so all they had "to fly" were the stars.

This year, they are a World Cup Qualifier, the stars are implied.

And in the FEI priority list, a CDI-W has priority over a CDI3*, so I would think it was better to be known as a CDI-W rather than the lower-priority CDI3*.

WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL WITH YOU?

As for the answer from USDF, she is human. Your question was not all that clear. You just mentioned stars, not the context (you might have had a better response if you had said CDI3*). And like I said, USDF has nothing to do with the FEI ranking system. (California also has its own very confusing star ranking system, so that may have further confused things.) You should have asked your question of the FEI.

[wineberrywillie]

I'll keep looking for the rules on that since no one else seems to be able to research before accusing.

Personally, I'm not being accusatory & honestly, I could give a fat, rat's hairy u-know-what if DAD has stars or not....I just buried my mother today. That sort of thing puts this in perspective, for me. I was only assisting to clarify what other's were saying. Stars or no stars, my life goes on.

[Canterznomore]

According to the 2006 prize list, they were not a World Cup Qualifier last year, so all they had "to fly" were the stars.

This year, they are a World Cup Qualifier, the stars are implied.

WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL WITH YOU?

You should have asked your question of the FEI.

Why does it seem that whenever someone asks an honest question in a straightforward fashion about this show or its former parent org. there is no end to the people who will jump out of the woodwork and down your throat to defend it, excuse it, rationalize it, but never ever try to take the straight route to a straightforward answer?

The "stars" have never been "implied" in past years - it's either a cdi 3* or cdi 3*W - never just a "w". And since when do show rankings follow "fashion"?

The original question was simply about that - nothing accusatory and whoever said anything about anyone doing anything wrong? We're asking about a show ranking and how it is designated via the printed word.

My word, don't defend USDF either. If you are in the dressage world for a living when someone asks about a prominent cdi and links it with the word "stars" then its a cinch they're not speaking about the Hail Bop Comet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad: CONNECT THE DOTS - THREE OR OTHERWISE!

Good Grief :eek:

[ASB Stars]

By jove, I think she's got it! :eek:

Remember the cult that was waiting for it to come around?

Maybe they are STILL waiting! :yes:

Nah, I like the Oz analogy better...

"The Wiz has eased on down the road
Once thought a prince...
Now, alas, found a toad...." :rolleyes:

Back to our regularly scheduled programming! :winkgrin:

Where are the D@#$ stars? Gone? Erased? Changed?

[centsohuma]

....and the dish ran away with the, er, stars? :D

[ASB Stars]

OK, who is the most "dishy" :rolleyes:

Over 700 views in a week. How many members did you say the DVCTA has?

And still, as we ponder the stars- no answers in sight... :no:

[siegi b.]

You guys,

to an outsider this thread is not funny anymore... You have obviously run out of material and are now trying to keep the "star" issue alive even though you've received a VERY clear answer on it.

Getting as many views as possible should not be the goal of any thread unless it pertains to world hunger. :-) (and Erin wouldn't put up with that for very long). :-)

You have made your point loud and clear.... So maybe you can give it a rest now? Pretty please...

[oldbrownmare]

[QUOTE=Canterznomore;2225463

The "stars" have never been "implied" in past years - it's either a cdi 3* or cdi 3*W - never just a "w". And since when do show rankings follow "fashion"?

According to my stash of old and dusty show programs:
1996 - CDI-W
1997 - CDI-W
1998 - CDI***W
1999 - CDI***W
2000 - CDI***W
2001 - CDI***
2002 - CDI***
2003 - CDI***
2004 - CDI***/CDIY
2005 - CDI***/CDIY
2006 - CDI***/CDIY

[Old War Horse]

Since I was the one to ask the original question, out of pure curiosity, about the stars, I hereby abandon that line of questioning!

More importantly, why is the website so long being up dated?

If there is any new information this year, it should be available on the web.

And, who is doing all the heavy lifting now that the Wiz has eased on down the road?

In the interest of putting the best foot forward with the public, I ask:

Will the boxholder committee have a polite person to talk to on the phone??

Will the pre-purchase tickets have someone who is available to answer questions in a timely manner?

Stars aside, these are very real concerns that should be addressed.

:yes:

[wineberrywillie]

OWH, you bring up valid areas of concern, especially the boxholders. The boxholder person needs to be polite, personable & flexable. In the past, the grand old dame who did it in years ago was just that. She was a great p.r. person for the show as well as a loyal committee person.
We all know there is a wait line forming to the left for box seats however, all good things come to an end. In light of the demise of 3-Day,:no: every critical area must be properly covered & maintained. I've had 2 calls so far this year, by people complaining about the person who now holds my old position & more calls will come before September. Without going into further detail, the show must close the holes & staff accordingly. I understand there's a great deficit of volunteers everywhere so this is a daunting task however in order to continue on into the future, there must be necessary adjustments made to important areas of operation.

[centsohuma]

[QUOTE=Canterznomore;2225463

The "stars" have never been "implied" in past years - it's either a cdi 3* or cdi 3*W - never just a "w". And since when do show rankings follow "fashion"?

According to my stash of old and dusty show programs:
1996 - CDI-W
1997 - CDI-W
1998 - CDI***W
1999 - CDI***W
2000 - CDI***W
2001 - CDI***
2002 - CDI***
2003 - CDI***
2004 - CDI***/CDIY
2005 - CDI***/CDIY
2006 - CDI***/CDIY

Thank you thank you thank you! I knew I wasn't imagining the stars, w's, and the order in which they've appeared.

Again, THANK YOU ;)

[centsohuma]

You guys,

to an outsider this thread is not funny anymore... You have obviously run out of material and are now trying to keep the "star" issue alive even though you've received a VERY clear answer on it.

Getting as many views as possible should not be the goal of any thread unless it pertains to world hunger. :-) (and Erin wouldn't put up with that for very long). :-)

You have made your point loud and clear.... So maybe you can give it a rest now? Pretty please...

Dear Siegi B,

This thread was never meant to be funny though I'm sure at times the content has made some smile. Sorry you're no longer amused. Again, we never meant to entertain but rather enlighten. Guess you missed the point.

The debate over the stars is just that - having a problem with free speech are we?

The number of views simply tells me that many people have been/are being enlightened.

An outsider? - somehow I don't think an outsider cares if this thread ends tomorrow or runs another year - but an insider would.

If you need a rest try not clicking your mouse on this thread - it works rest assured. That's what's great about the good ol USA - no end to our freedoms.

Have a nice day, pretty please? :rolleyes:

[oldbrownmare]

The stars, or lack of stars, seemed to be explained rather well in Yaya's posts. I was hoping to just give a bit of history.
On another note, as the 'reasonable and observant" person I am :yes: I really must take umbrage with a previous poster's statement regarding Ms. Firth of USDF. I have had the pleasure of dealing with Ms. Firth and have found her to be competant, professional and pleasant. To imply that she might be in colusion with show organizers is a great disservice to Ms. Firth, USDF and the dressage world in general. :sadsmile:

[Canterznomore]

That's an easy one - start w/USDF's Krystina Firth, Sr. Competitions Director at

kfirth@usdf.org ;)

She's quite a lovely and capable lady.

OldBrownMare,

Please note my above comment regarding USDF's Ms. Firth. I don't think that anyone on these bb's would disagree with your assessment or mine. My experience's with her were always positive which is why I offered her name as a contact to solve the case of the missing stars.:eek:

It is odd though that the question regarding a CDI and "stars" in the same sentence caused her to draw a blank - no disrespect intended, just seems odd.

Those conspiracy theorists out there may draw conclusions :winkgrin: which they are free to do. We don't have to agree however :sadsmile:

[oldbrownmare]

With all due respect, Ms. Firth of USDF , was put in an untenable position. USDF does not sanction CDI competitions. USEF, through the FEI does. It would have been more appropriate to address this question to Jennifer Keeler of USEF. Her e-mail is: jkeeler@usef.org. Any volunteers???:D

[Canterznomore]

With all due respect, Ms. Firth of USDF , was put in an untenable position. USDF does not sanction CDI competitions. USEF, through the FEI does. It would have been more appropriate to address this question to Jennifer Keeler of USEF. Her e-mail is: jkeeler@usef.org. Any volunteers???:D

No doubt they'll line up to send Jennifer an email :lol: This is not a shy group!

Thank you for your new contact name in our Star Search:D I'm sure it's appreciated by all.

Agreed, USDF is not the sanctioning body for CDI's; but if you can come up with a more appropriate contact person, and another poster suggested contacting the FEI then why did USDF'S reply to ASB seem so vague and, yes I'll say it, unhelpful? It's not hard to redirect someone to a more appropriate source if you know it; that's not an unreasonable expectation of someone who eats, breathes, and sleeps dressage - I'm hard-pressed to believe USDF employees are unaware of who's who in the world of CDI's. I think that's the entire and only point ASB was trying to make.

To put it another way, perhaps more clearly:

If USDF's reply was as clear and concise and HELPFUL as your comment above we'd have a few less posts on this subject.:yes:

[ASB Stars]

My question was simple- and I posted her response so that others could see it, rather than try to explain what I felt was...no explanation at all. :no:

So many threads, so little time. No reason for anyone to waste time with our little thread, unless they, well, WANTED to! :winkgrin:

[wineberrywillie]

With all due respect, Ms. Firth of USDF , was put in an untenable position. USDF does not sanction CDI competitions. USEF, through the FEI does. It would have been more appropriate to address this question to Jennifer Keeler of USEF. Her e-mail is: jkeeler@usef.org. Any volunteers???:D

:sleepy: :sleepy: I think the riddle has been solved. :sleepy: :sleepy:

[Canterznomore]

:sleepy: :sleepy: I think the riddle has been solved. :sleepy: :sleepy:

:lol: AND IT ONLY TOOK TWO PAGES OF POSTS :lol: :lol:

Good Night John Boy....

Good Night Mary Ellen...

Good Night Jason....

Good Night Elizabeth....

Good Night Grandpa....

GOOOD NNNNNNNNNNNNNNIGHT Everybody :sleepy: :sleepy:

[Warmblooded707]

OK, so DID contact her...here is what happened...remember, this is backwards chronologically...

I do not know what you are talking about when you say 'stars', but the show titled 'Dressage at Devon' is USDF recognized and you may find at the link below.

Thank you!
Krystina Firth
Senior Coordinator, Competitions
United States Dressage Federation
4051 Iron Works Parkway
Lexington, KY 40511
Phone: 859-271-7895
Fax: 859-971-7722

:winkgrin: Maybe she should have used her "phone a friend"? :lol:

[ASB Stars]

:winkgrin: Maybe she should have used her "phone a friend"? :lol:


Heck, I was just hoping to poll the audience... :winkgrin:

[Warmblooded707]

Heck, I was just hoping to poll the audience... :winkgrin:

If you poll enough of these people before too long they'll inevitably switch the question - last lifeline but it's worked in the past :sadsmile:

[Old War Horse]

I don't know the person at USDF, nor have I had any dealings with her, but if they are anything like the confusing info you get from USEF, I'm not at all surprised! But how could she NOT know about the stars???? Even USDF has to be aware of the FEI!!!
Dealing with USEF always makes my blood pressure go up about 10 points!
Mis-information or partial information is the name of the game!
I have heard the problem may be caused by the low pay at the organizations, hence the rapid turn-over of staff, and the loss of knowledge that is the result. It also seems that people hop from one organization to another, thinking the grass is greener, I guess..... USEF, USDF, Pony Club, etc....
:no:

[ASB Stars]

I will admit that my issue is simply that she should have answered the question, or, if she was unclear, asked me further questions to understand what I was looking for. IN the absence of an understanding of the question, she could also have refered me to somene else.

My "conspiracy theory" bent was simply due to a better than passing understanding of how these things can go. I made the emails public, so that there would be no question as to how this was addressed. :uhoh:

If, by some chance, she was influenced by anyone giving her the "heads up", the joke is on her. :yes:

At the end of the day, as has been mentioned, we all have better things to do- these issues are a side show, at best. However, for her, this is her JOB, it's what she does for a living, it's a membership organization, and here is how is goes... :sadsmile:

[Warmblooded707]

Forecast for tomorrow is snow in the Great Northeast - and here I sit at the pc with nothing to do but wait, somewhat impatiently, for the next installment of the DVCTA minutes for March - which of course won't be posted until April after they're approved. Sort of like waiting for reruns of the Sopranos to start absent the new season. :winkgrin:

Cocoa anyone?

[Erin]

You know, I reeeeally think it's high time you all got some new material. Enough already.