This dark bay racehorse...

[Jessi P]

So last night I was running a horse for a trainer I often do free lance work for to make extra $$. In the paddock were 2 other horses who obviously didn't want to run - the #1 horse was trying to flip repeatedly when they put the saddle on him. The #10 horse was doing the same thing - then wouldn't let them get his blinkers on til they grabbed an ear to hold him still. The horse I was holding was still, but worried. He had some huge pineapples for ankles. I looked at my program - he is a 9 yo who has earned $278K. His last 3 races were bad, with a win 4 starts ago, and a 2nd 6 starts ago. He raced poorly last night, only beating the #10 horse (who was another 9 or 10 yo).

So I am cooling this horse out for the trainer's wife, a very sweet lady. I asked her what would happen to this horse, if he kept running bad. She said apologetically that her husband would probably send him to the killers. I told her to let me know if her hubby was thinking about it and she promised to let me know. I am hoping that I can count on COTH to help if she comes to me and says "My husband will think about selling him to you instead of killers." I can supply a place and keep him for a few days, but I cannot keep him indefinitely. I dont know how politically correct it is to ask to help raise funds for him but I would love it we could buy him and some COTHer could take him and give him some time.

"Max" doesn't deserve that. He wouldn't be sound for jumping, just pleasure or trail riding. Maybe his ankles might be eventually fused enough for jumping, I dont know, doubt it - but it's possible. He is sore on his ankles (BOTH of them) and his back is sore from leaning back to get his weight off the ankles. His hocks are sore from trying to find a comfortable position to travel, and compensating and shifting weight around trying to be comfortable. He is body sore all over. But he is evenly sore left and right so he jogged well in post parade. His back end is causing him to break poorly - so he will keep running worse and worse because he keeps spotting the field a few lengths at the break.

I would say he would probably race him one or two more times - but he is eligible to race here 4 more times (unless he finishes a 4th or better, which earns him another 8 starts). He cooled out well enough last night, but was a bit more sore on his LF than his RF by the time he was done cooling out.

"Max" is approx 16.0-16.1, a lovely dark bay with a star and 2 rear socklets. He has a lovely head, with large jowls, a chiseled face, and big expressive eyes. Trainer's wife admitted that hubby would indeed send him to the killers when he feels the horse is done, and that will be very soon.

Please, I dont want to get into the slaughter debate here. I dont and wont mention names here because I dont want to offend the trainer in advance and insure the horse goes directly to the killers without a chance to buy him. I cannot afford to buy him myself - I have taken on Ace, who was killer bound if he went home after his race. And we are in the process of getting another retiring stakes winner as barn mascot/ stable pony. I just can't afford him, but I can be the go-between to purchase him and put him up until transportation is arranged. I don't know when the trainer will want to dump him. Maybe he will run him 4 more times until he runs out of eligibility. Maybe he will jump up and run a 4th and get re-eligible for another 8 starts. Maybe he gets good again and starts winning again. Maybe the trainer gives him a few months off and brings him back when he is sounder.

I dont want this to turn into a thread bashing this trainer either - he is the way he is and he is very successful. But he doesn't keep horses once they are no longer useful to him. Just the facts. I dont want to berate or insult him, but instead I would like to open this avenue to him and perhaps raise his awareness to a new possibility for lame/used up horses other than the killer truck.

I guess I am saying, what can we do as a group to help this horse? I can't help every single horse on the backside. But I want to help this one. He has earned those big pineapple ankles running out that $278K - he has paid his dues. The only thing standing between him and the killer pen is me, and hopefully the COTH family. I am fairly certain that in the kill pen Max would be passed over as a riding horse prospect based on his ankles. I can't help every single horse. But with the help of the COTH family I can help this one.

I wonder if this might be a good topic for a fundraising auction? I have some sets of shipping boots for miniatures - I could donate as a lot or individually. I can find some tack/sheets to add also - I have an ebay tack addiction and a couple boxes of unused, new stuff upstairs. I dont have the know how to run an auction, and I dont know what time frame because I dont know when he will decide to dump Max. I do need to be prepared to offer him cash on the spot, and it needs to be slightly more than killer price in order for him to have an incentive to go this route. I need to be respectful of this trainer and build a good relationship with him in order to try to pave the way for getting future horses into better homes. I would estimate he finishes off 3-4 a month, plus 2-3/ month of his snap their legs off on the track. Perhaps if he has a better option for them he will be less likely to ground them up getting that last bit of juice out of the lemon. And when the lemon is all squeezed up and dry is when it dries and cracks... just like their legs are more likely to break when they are physically run down and over extended.


Can someone help? ;) Tell me to do, I need some support.

[Laurierace]

Hi Jessi, let me know when or if you get the horse and I will see if I can pull some strings and get him into TRF. They have a four month plus waiting list as well as a $2500 donation fee but have been known to make exceptions to both rules for sob stories. I would be very surprised if I couldn't get them to agree to take the horse for free in a timely manner, but I know they will not buy the horse and they will not pay to have him transported to one of their facilities. We would have to raise the money for that.
Thanks for caring!

[FairWeather]

hobie, where is the horse?

[Linny]

If an auction was a go, I'd donate some racing books and old racing magazines I have. I was going to eBay most of them anyhow.

Poor old Max. He sounds like a sweetie. I lost last night's Form or I'd be doing some snooping right now! With that kind of $$$ in the bank, he likely ran at some big tracks.
I'm wondering if anyone from his past might be willing to help. A friend of mine recently took in an old stakes winning gelding in NY. He fell and sliced himself up in the spit barn after a a $7500 claimer in NY. He'd been trained by a trainer I know and I offered to call him. She feared that the guy who had him when he fell (a decent sort, he's got an old racer for a pony right now) would come under pressure and be treated badly. She took him, had about 40 stitches put in him and is still nursing open wounds on his knees. She's an asst trainer and her BF is a trainer who gave her a stall.
Well, she ran into that trainer friend of mine last week, introduced herself and told him about the old gelding. He'd been in Florida for the winter when this all happened and he immediately offered to help. He was heartbroken about "monty" and wishes he'd been told. I wonder if we could find and gently contact a past trainer or handler for help?

[libgrrl]

NM

[Jessi P]

I am going to keep his name anonymous but will post a synopsis of his race record. If someone snoops around enough and figures out who it is please don't post it on here or mention any names. I don't want to alienate the trainer in any way shape or form, and don't want them to be insulted either. Max is THEIR horse to do with however they choose, but I sure would love the option of getting him out of there if we could.

Max lives in West Virginia, close to Mountaineer Park racetrack, zip code 26050, approx 45 min W of Pittsburgh Pa.

Here is his race record thru 12-31-04, edited to take his name out. He has earned $278,211 to date with 57 starts, 17 wins, 7 seconds, and 7 thirds. Again, please don't mention any names. I don't want to make anyone angry or feel insulted.

He is a Seattle Slew grandson.

1997 B,g, 6 35 13 5 5 241,152 (103) 3.01
North America 2 YO Record 5 3 0 2 39,080 ( 88)
North America Dirt Sprints 35 13 5 5 241,152 (103)
North America Muddy/Sloppy 3 0 1 0 3,450 ( 89)
DP = 6-5-9-0-0 DI = 3.44 CD = 0.85 AWD = 5.73
At 2 3rd Ambernash S. -L (75,000)
At 3 Won Danzig S. (R) (O) (25,575)
At 5 Won John J. Shumaker Handicap (R) (O) (30,500), 2nd Captain My
Captain S. (R) (O) (53,850)
Sold at Hip # Sales Price Sire Avg Rank Stud Fee
FTMOCT 1998 205 $19,000 $6,610 ylg ( 1/10) $3,000

[luvmytbs]

hobie cat.

do you have a CANTER rep in your area who might be able to help. If not, check with the closest CANTER you can find. They might be able to give you some advise or even contacts.

I think you are wonderful for wanting to help Max. I am praying that it all works out for the sweet boy.

[charlieo]

Hobie, am sending you a PM

[jenarby]

I don't have any extra cash to donate right now (just rushed my filly to the clinic today in an emergency) but I do have a pair of closed front leather jumping boots I'd like to offer for the auction. They are buckle closures and have neoprene on the inside (worn once). The were originally $100 new and I got them for $55 at equine affaire. I can either take some pics and send them to you or just outright give them to you at the track. It's up to you. I'll also dig through my tack truck and see what else I might find to donate. Sorry I can't do more right now, hope that helps a little though.

[MoonBallad]

Let me know if you're going to do an auction I would love to donate some things to you. What about listing everything on e-bay? That might get the various auctions out there to more people than here on the BB.
Do you have any idea what his asking price might be?

[Swale01]

hobie cat.

do you have a CANTER rep in your area who might be able to help. If not, check with the closest CANTER you can find. They might be able to give you some advise or even contacts.

I think you are wonderful for wanting to help Max. I am praying that it all works out for the sweet boy.

Yes, yes you do! :yes: I am a volunteer for CANTER MidAtlantic and the person who runs CANTER MidAtlantic is also a poster on this forum...I can't speak for her on the space/availability to take him in, but at a MINIMUM we can go get some pics of him and post him on the site for sale, we go to Charles Town all the time.

Can you find out if the trainer would be willing to go ahead and either list him for a price below $4K or perhaps (fingers crossed) even donate him to CANTER?

[libgrrl]

I think we're talking about Mountaineer.

Didn't there used to be a Canter West Virginia?

[Saskatoonian]

Hey Jessi,
Count me in. I can scare up some $ or things to donate, I'm sure. Kudos for your diplomacy!
CAJ

[TKR]

Count me in on some $ or auction items. These poor horses certainly deserve a decent home.
PennyG

[BoyleHeightsKid]

I know a wonderful lady in Spartansburg, PA. I adopted my guy from her and he raced at Mountaineer Park. Her name is Beverlee Dee and she runs Bright Futures Farm ( www.brightfuturesfarm.org ) . She will help anyway that she can!!

[Jessi P]

Hey everybody and thanks for the support.

I am at my Mothers and unable to log in to my regular Hobie Cat so I created this one. Thanks for bearing with me!


Boyleheights I will check out that website, thank you!

TKR thank you for donating, it means a lot.

Saskatoonian I know I can count on my friends, you are awesome CHris!

Libgirl yes this is MOuntaineer unfortunately there is no canter for us but Nancy does very graciously allow us to post Mnr horses on the canter site if they are close to the Ohio border.

Swale I wish I could get this trainer to put him up for sale on the site but I know there is no way he would deal with phonecalls etc.

Moonballad I am thinking $500 to 600 ought to do it.

Jen I appreciate the donation and you must tell us how Sealy is whathappened?

Charlieo can you copy and paste the PM and send it to Jessi P please? I cant get to my Hobie Cat Pms.... ugh,.

Not used to using a laptop either, typed out the first one and lost it so please forgive the grammar and spelling mistakes.

Luvmytbs thank you for the support.

Linny you are an angel! I dont have his past performances perhaps someone can look that up and we can find out his past trianers? This guy claimed him within the past year or so,. He has WON 2 stakes and had a 2nd and 3rd so perhaps those folks might help out. But I dont know how to look that up. If anyone does, please PM me and I will give you the info.

Laurie that would be SUPER if we can get him and place him with the TRF.. crossing my fingers. Or perhaps a COTHer will want him as a pleasure/trail horse.


Thanks again guys, more later (this puter is making me pull my hair out!).

Jessi

[17handtb]

Count me in! I'm sure I can dig up some items for an auction.

Jessi, how often do you see the trainer or his wife? Would you be able to gently "remind" him of your offer whenever you see him? Maybe he's not like that, but I find a lot of the Suffolk trainers need to literally be reminded EVERY time we see them that we'll help with a particular horse.

Thanks for looking out for him. $278K - that's a true warrior and he deserves a happy retirement.

[eks]

I can't offer him a home, but I can donate some $ to help prevent him from going to the killers...Jessi, that is awesome what you are doing for him...he sure deserves a nice retirement!

[BoyleHeightsKid]

I can also donate some $$$...it won't be a huge sum but anything helps right?

[YoTambien]

If someone can Foster this horse at their place, The Exceller Fund may be able to work out a way to pay the purchase price (will be just above killer price) and also pay for the vet. What we don't have right now is the coin to pay board on another horse at the moment.

If any COTHers would like to auction items on eBay, you can now designate a portion of your auction proceeds to The Exceller Fund through eBay's Giving Works program.

http://givingworks.ebay.com/sell/

The Exceller Fund is listed under "T" (Yes - they filed us under "The")

[Jessi P]

17hdTB The trainer and his wife are in a barn catty-corner to my stalls. I see them every day when I am home - but I am at Moms (4 hours away in Harrisburg) for maybe a week. They are a high volume stable and often ask us for help at night - it's not unusual between them to have 4-5 horses racing in one night.

eks Thank you so much. Every little bit helps, even $5 at a time. I need to compile a list of auction items....

Linny - old racing magazines and racing books

Jenarby closed front jumping boots

Jessi sets of mini sized shipping boots, other misc

17hdTB misc auction items

Moonballad misc auction items

Saskatoonian auction items or $$

TKS auction items or $$

Boyleheightskid $$

eks $$

Laurierace try to arrange for TRF to take Max if we get him bought and shipped

Have I missed anyone?

Finally getting used to this laptop...slowly.

[Jessi P]

YoTambien if the Exceller Fund could buy Max that would be INCREDIBLE!!!! I can keep him until shipping arrangements can be made to take him to his new home (I am hoping someone on here can take him). And I can ask the vet for a discounted rate, if he needs anything done. And we can put our donations and auction profits towards his shipping and perhaps refund any unspent $$ to Exceller, or keep it in the kitty towards the next one that needs rescuing.

This would be FANTASTIC if Exceller could step in and pay for Max - absolutely WONDERFUL. What more do we have to do to get the ball rolling, or do we wait until the wife tells me hubby is ready to sell him?

I am so excited now!

[YoTambien]

We will need help from the COTHers to do this! If everyone who is pledging money can send it to The Exceller Fund, or who would auction something on eBay and designate The Exceller Fund on eBay's Giving Works, we should be able to do this!

We will need a couple of things first:
1. Find out the purchase price from the trainer. We should not pay too much above killer price. If the trainer would consider a tax deductible donation, that would be even better. However, many won't, so don't push too hard on that.
2. We need someone who can foster this horse at their place. We simply do not have the funding to pay board on another horse at the moment. If anyone has a boarding facility and would consider donating board as a tax deduction, we can work that out also.
3. We will need the transport network to find a way to transport to a foster home.

Send me a PM so we can discuss further! Or send an e-mail to mail@excellerfund.org

[summerhorse]

Depending on his attitude and prognosis I could probably give him a retirement home but I can't buy him or vet him (I suspect fromt he description he'd be getting a lot of vetting here!) or ship him. I have a rescue so he does need to be not mean or aggressive to other animals (or well people!) I have pictures of my place on webshots for approval. Can also offer references. It would be better for him if he went someplace closer with lots of pasture but at least it doesn't get very cold here! Could also foster him if a retirement place in FL could take him (without the fee) but didn't have space right off. Kill price right now is between 30 and 40 cents a pound so I would think $500-600 would be ample to ensure the trainer got a better price than the killers. Anyhow its an option!

[certifiedgirl]

I can donate a few $$. Let me know when and where to send it.

[eks]

summerhorse,

That is wonderful that you can give him a retirement home!

[FairWeather]

Hobie/Jessi P--We've taken horses from Mountaineer before, but getting them here is really cost prohibitive. I'd like to donate some money toward either his purchase or his care though!

Summerhorse, please dont take this the wrong way, but if you can take him as a retiree but cannot afford vet care how would that work?

[summerhorse]

I can afford his regular vet care but not expensive tests to see if he has problems that might require surgery or euthanasia or that sort of thing. Since it sounds like he DOES have problems that will probably need continuing vet care here (and probably preclude him from being any kind of real riding horse) I can't really afford to spend money on shipping and whatever they need from the vet TO ship and all that because I have a rescue and other animals to vet and feed. But I DO have space and horse clothing and can feed/maintain him. He can also be a foster for as long as he needs if that is preferred. Then if something major happened (i.e. a severe colic requiring surgery, whatever) the Exceller Fund would have the option of raising money or euthanizing whichever they felt was best. (that's if they didn't want to give him away)

If I just wanted "A" horse I could get one free in Ocala most any day of the week and ship it here for $300 or so. I just can't justify a couple thousand on buying/vetting/shipping a pasture ornament but I CAN give him a good home to save his life if others want to chip in and get him here. When you run a rescue you just have to prioritize the few dollars that come in! Most rescues charge a "donation" fee to take in animals. (Edit: I do not charge a donation fee and I do not sell horses either, if something happened to me he'd go back to the Exceller Fund or whomever they designated to take him).

[YoTambien]

Jessie - Let us know the latest situation. I sent you a PM about a group that has said they can help. I don't want to go into too much detail on the public forum until we can get the details firmed up.

Please feel free to e-mail The Exceller Fund at mail@excellerfund.org

[Jessi P]

You guys are AWESOME!! Yo Tambien has informed me about a rescue who is willing to take Max that sounds very promising - so all of our funds can go towards his purchase price and shipping. Charlieo has also offered to take Max and retire him at her place with 3 other retired OTTBs. Do we have opinions on rescue org vs a COTHer? I would rather see a COTHer have him, but a rescue does have a certain stability (we hope). Heck rescues can run out of funding too tho. Opinions ladies?

Right now he isnt going to need any special vet work - he has big sore ankles, body sore, hocks screwed up, but a normal person would look at him and say he is fine because he can trot well enough to pass a vet BEFORE the race, after the race he gets dinky. That is because he is sore on both sides, and doesnt get sore enough to limp on one side or the other til after the incredible exertion of a race. He needs time and turn out, some grass and sun.



You guys kick a$$!

[summerhorse]

You guys are AWESOME!! Yo Tambien has informed me about a rescue who is willing to take Max that sounds very promising - so all of our funds can go towards his purchase price and shipping. Charlieo has also offered to take Max and retire him at her place with 3 other retired OTTBs. Do we have opinions on rescue org vs a COTHer? I would rather see a COTHer have him, but a rescue does have a certain stability (we hope). Heck rescues can run out of funding too tho. Opinions ladies?

Right now he isnt going to need any special vet work - he has big sore ankles, body sore, hocks screwed up, but a normal person would look at him and say he is fine because he can trot well enough to pass a vet BEFORE the race, after the race he gets dinky. That is because he is sore on both sides, and doesnt get sore enough to limp on one side or the other til after the incredible exertion of a race. He needs time and turn out, some grass and sun.



You guys kick a$$!

I think that would depend entirely on the rescue (and well the COTHers too!). Rescues go under or get overwhelmed, you'd want to go visit it first. Otherwise the decision should be where is the horse going to be happiest?

What vetting does he need to ship? He should have a coggins and vaccinations since he's at a racetrack right? (I hope!) I think he'd need a health certificate within 30 days to go out of state. As long as he is sound to travel that should be it.

I did offer him a retirement home in the FL sun which should be easy on his joints. =)

[charlieo]

Wherever you guys think he should go is fine with me. I can help with the shipping to wherever he goes. Just want him to have a home after the track.

[YoTambien]

Jo Diebel of Angel Acres is the one who let me know they can take in this horse if he needs a place.

Money would still need to be raised for purchase and transportation. If anyone has sent in a donation to The Exceller Fund for this guy, let me know and we can forward the funds to Angel Acres.

Rather than have TEF purchase a horse and turn him over to another group, the paper trail would work better if we simply forward any raised funds and have the purchase go directly from Angel Acres.

You can also go to Angel Acres website at http://www.angelacreshorsehavenrescue.com
and make a donation.

At this point, lets get a little clearer idea if the trainer will sell the horse, or perhaps donate the horse(!), what the price is, and what our options are for transport to Glenville, Pennsylvania so we'll have an idea of the total amount needed.

Way to go COTH!!!!!

[summerhorse]

Wherever you guys think he should go is fine with me. I can help with the shipping to wherever he goes. Just want him to have a home after the track.


yeah the important thing is the horse goes where he will be well cared for and happy and they are able to take care of any issues that might arise (from being run into the ground...) Probably any number of us could provide him with a good home but the less distance he has to ship on those ankles and sore back is probably better.

But yeah first the guy has to sell him!

[summerhorse]

Any thought of contacting his breeder and seeing if they will pitch in? (on the low down of course)

[Jessi P]

Just an update folks, our buddy "Max" is racing tomorrow at Mountaineer, race 10, about 10:45 pm EST. His race will be online for those who want to watch (it's better with broadband/DSL) at the Mnr website - Mtrgaming.com, go to live racing, then click on live audio/video. Then choose dial up or broadband connection speed.

I am going to put his name on here, and assume that no one is going to call his connections and harass them about racing the horse - he belongs to them, he is their property, and the best I can do for him is be kind and available and ask after his race what they plan to do with him. That will depend on how he runs, of course. Maybe he will jump up and run a huge race.

Anyway, I was following someone else's suggestion about contacting the breeder, who I have discovered is Charles J. Reed. I do not have contact info for him yet but haven't researched it yet either. I got caught up looking up infor for our buddy Max first, who is a Seattle Slew grandson named Sleetwood Mac. I found the following:

http://www.thebigm.com/racingNewsDetail.asp?newsid=4183
SPECIAL JUDGE TAKES WEDNESDAY FEATURE IN 1:08 3/5
East Rutherford, N.J. - Runnin Horse Farm's Special Judge sat off fractions set by Rock Island Salami and Sleetwood Mac, before powering past those rivals in mid-stretch and holding off the on-coming Ticket to Freedom to post a length win in the $31,000 claiming feature at the Meadowlands on Wednesday night.

http://www.pennnational.com/headlines/news/1059856163.shtml
Thomas McClay?s Beau?s Surprise, winless in more than 11 months, took advantage of a suicidal pace set by Sleetwood Mac and K Mac to rally for a surprise win in the $30,000 John J. Shumaker Handicap in the seventh race on the Jenny Wade card. Beau?s Surprise, ridden by Robby Alvarado, was far back as Sleetwood Mac and K Mac engaged in a speed duel through a first quarter-mile in :21.1 and opening four furlongs in :44.

Apparently he is the 2nd leading earner for sire Seattle Sleet http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2005/0829/414.pdf#search='sleetwood%20mac'

And here is his dam for sale (didnt look up results) http://www.keeneland.com/sales/Nov04/pdfs/599.pdf#search='sleetwood%20mac'

And I wanted to add that she was bred to notable sire Two Punch several times, then Lemon Drop Kid and sold thru this sale in foal to Fusaichi Pegasus. We also need to note that Sleetwood Mac also equalled the track record of 1:08 4/5 in one of his two stakes wins. Impressive. Poor old boy is running for his life now. This horse was a contender at one time.

http://www.monmouthpark.com/sharedimages/9-1.pdf#search='sleetwood%20mac'
He ran 2nd and was claimed by Michael Gill and Shuman, had been trained by Johnny Zimmerman (RIP Johnny).

http://racing.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=18678

from the phila park press box:

http://www.philadelphiapark.com/pressbox/pressbox.asp?id=506

And finally, the $50,000 Captain My Captain Stakes completes the lineup. The five furlong turf test appears wide open. J.R. Stable's Sleetwood Mac has won all three of his starts this year, including the John Shumaker at Penn National.

And I still have 10 more pages of search results to go thru, but children to lasso and get to bed.

This horse has such a rich history, someone cared about him once. He made someone a chunk of change. I wonder who exactly J R Stables is, when he was trained by Zimmerman. Hmmm...

[Jessi P]

Some more:

Saturday (4/9) [2005]

3RD - SLEETWOOD MAC (Seattle Sleet), an old campaigner with a lot of heart and who knows how to win, picked up his second win of the meet. The impressive aspect of this effort was after leading the first half-mile he fell back by 3 1/2 length in the stretch before battling back to to get a neck in front at the wire.
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/editorial/article.cgi?print=yes&id=1255

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Conceived, though not foaled, in Maryland are three colts - two by Maryland's annual leading sales sire Two Punch and one by Polish Numbers.

Two Punch's first to be offered is Hip No. 49, a Kentucky-bred full brother to Heavyweight Champ, a multiple graded-stakes-placed 2-year-old, and a half-brother to stakes winner Sleetwood Mac. http://www.marylandthoroughbred.com/breeding-news2.php?articleid=191 towards bottom
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Heavyweight Champ retired, will stand in Chile
from http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/todaysnewsarchive/ttodaysnewsviewarchive.asp?ArchiveDate=7/25/2003#35963

Dill C. Stable's Heavyweight Champ, third in the 2001 Champagne Stakes (G1) and second in the Saratoga Special Stakes (G2) as a two-year-old, has been retired to stud and will stand this season in Chile, trainer John Terranova said.

Out of training the last couple of months with a suspensory injury, Terranova said Heavyweight Champ could have returned to racing, but "at the time the offer came along and we looked into the stallion deals, it seemed like the right thing to do."

Sold through an agent for an undisclosed amount, the four-year-old Heavyweight Champ already has entered quarantine in Miami and will be in Chile for the upcoming breeding season, Terranova said.

The son of Two Punch had two wins in 14 starts, and earned $211,668 in two seasons. In addition to his placings in the Champagne, Heavyweight Champ placed third in the 2001 Sanford Stakes (G2). Winless in 2003, he finished eighth in his last start, the Yankee Affair Stakes on April 12 at Gulfstream Park. His last win was on November 3 in a six-furlong allowance race at Aqueduct.

A half brother to stakes winner Sleetwood Mac, Heavyweight Champ is one of six winners from eight starters out of the General Assembly mare Moments Delight.

Bred in Maryland by Charles Reed, Heavyweight Champ was purchased in 2001 by Keith Taylor for $675,000 from the consignment of Eddie Woods, agent, at the Fasig-Tipton February sale of two-year-olds in training.—Warren Alber
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http://www.thebigm.com/raceReviewsT.asp?date=3/01/2006&racedt=Wednesday,+October+6,+2004
Meadowlands handicapping comments

Might be able to out kick Smokieisabandit in the early going. He can go :21 and change for the first quarter, but he'll be hard-pressed all the way. Not expecting him to hold on for a top three finish against these. Playing against.

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VOILA!
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/todaysnewsarchive/ttodaysnewsviewarchive.asp?ArchiveDate=02/13/2002

Thoroughbred owner's dog wins Westminster's Best in Show


Thoroughbred owner Ronald L. Scott's miniature poodle Surrey Spice Girl, won the prestigious Best in Show award at the Westminster Kennel Club's 126th annual show on Tuesday at Madison Square Garden.

Scott, who lives in Silver Springs Township, Pennsylvania, near Penn National Race Course owns the dog with his wife, Barbara. He campaigns his stable, which is headed by trainer Bruce Kravets, at Penn National and Charles Town Races in partnership with his brother Rick. He also has a division with Scott Lake, the nation's leading trainer by number of wins last year, in Maryland and at Philadelphia Park.

One of Scott's best runners was homebred Sleetwood Mac, a Pennsylvania-bred, who won the restricted Danzig Stakes in 2000 at Penn National.

We need to get a hold of this guy and ask him to donate towards Max....

Sorry if this is info overload, but it isnt usual that you can find so much info on a racehorse online.

[saratoga]

I think its great that you are doing this. I'm sure many former owners won't be interested in helping horses they used to own, considering they weren't very concerned when they dropped the horse down to the claiming ranks or sold it, but at the very least the public embarrassment factor may prompt them to act.

[luvmytbs]

and the best I can do for him is be kind and available and ask after his race what they plan to do with him. That will depend on how he runs, of course. Maybe he will jump up and run a huge race.



Jessie P,

thank you for keeping an eye on him.

I am working on a similiar situation here, this horse has been doing lousy as of a year ago (he too is an old campaigner who made big bucks at one time). His frustrated owner had already asked me if I would take him, he just wanted to give him one more race.
Big hearted sweet guy gave all he had and actually won. (Dumb, dumb horse I told him on my visit the following day). So now owner wants to continue to run him. Nothing wrong with that in general, however this horse is older and really worn out, he deserves to retire instead of running in low claiming races, coming back sore and tired every time.

Please keep us posted Jessie P. I hope Max gets his well deserved retirement soon.

[charlieo]

Let us know how he does. I've got the room if he needs to come this way .

[jenarby]

He was actually scratched last night. I had a horse in that race and was eager to have a look at the old man. Don't know why he was scratched.

[Pronzini]

He was actually scratched last night. I had a horse in that race and was eager to have a look at the old man. Don't know why he was scratched.

Possibly purchased before the race or the owners got wind of a claim that was going to be dropped.

[Jessi P]

No, he was scratched because the wife talked the hubby out of running Max on such an awful racetrack. With his legs it would not have been pretty - I was worried about him racing on that surface last night. Apparently so were his connections. Kudos to them. :yes:

Jen congrats on the win with Watch and Wager!

[charlieo]

I checked the results and wondered what had happened. Glad his people thought of him first.

[jenarby]

Thanks Jessi!

I figured it might have to do with the sloppy track. I'm glad they didn't run him.

[texang73]

I missed this post somehow (I was moving from VA to TX at the time of the OP).

How are things going with Max? I'd be willing to donate a few $$ if still needed...

[CiegoStar]

Wow, I really hope this guy finds a great home - he's got lots of good folks rooting for him! My boy is a dark bay Slew grandbaby too, and raced for four years before being sent to auction. I can't offer a home or transportation, but let me know if there is someplace I can donate to help out.

[Laurierace]

I gave them a heads up about this guy at TRF. He can not be placed on the official waiting list until he is owned by someone willing to donate him, but at least they have his info. That should speed things up if it turns out to be the direction that we want to go in.

[Flypony]

Possibly purchased before the race or the owners got wind of a claim that was going to be dropped. I doubt if they would scratch a horse like this because they were going to loose him. Sorry but at this stage of the horses career it isn't the claim box, it is the wish box;) Seriously though I hope he gets a great non racing home.

[Jessi P]

Thank you so much you guys - it is SO nice to know that I am not the only one other than his owner/trainers who care about Max. Mr Hobie, wonderful man that he is, asks "Dont you have ENOUGH to worry about without worrying about someone else's horse?" Well... I made a connection with Max and KNOW for a fact that I am the only thing standing between him and the knackers. But with the COTH family beside me we can do wonderful things.

What I NEED is for someone to shoulder the responsibility of setting up an auction - even if it is only a small auction we still have several things donated to auction off. I am afraid I don't know anything about setting up the forum for an auction and throw myself upon the mercy of my fellow COTHers. If we aim to get the auction up and running within the next few days to a week, and give it 3-5 days for bidding (or whatever the consensus agrees upon), it should be completed in time for me to have cash on hand to offer trainer after Max's next (and hopefully final) race. We don't need to raise ALL of his purchase price - I have a couple donations waiting in the wings. I believe the trainer will take $500 for Max - we bought a filly last week from him for our blacksmith and that is how much $$ he wanted for her. When Mr Hobie went to see for that filly last week the morning after her race the trainer had already pulled her papers to send them along with the killer guy to auction, because "the mares bring more money with papers." We had her out of there within a few hours. Our blacksmith will give her some much needed time off at the farm to heal from the inside out and give her a fresh outlook on life. But I digress.

I would like to raise $800 total, so that I have some wiggle room in the event he wants more than $500 for Max. Any leftovers will be used to feed, bed, and worm him til he moves on to his new home, then applied to shipping as needed. Laurie thank you SO much for talking to the TRF about him - it is a wonderful place for an old stakes winner like Max.

So does anyone want to take on the task of organizing the auction? I have to look back but we have these donations so far (copying and pasting from page 2) :

Linny - old racing magazines and racing books

Jenarby closed front jumping boots

Jessi sets of mini sized shipping boots, other misc

17hdTB misc auction items

Moonballad misc auction items

Saskatoonian auction items or $$

TKS auction items or $$

Boyleheightskid $$

eks $$

More items/donations are welcome, of course. :yes: Anyone who can take on the task of the auction - I would be forever in your debt and could arrange a trip to the backside to visit the horses etc should you ever come by our neck of the woods.

[charlieo]

I can send some $; will look thru the "stuff" at the barn and see if there is anything for the auction.

[certifiedgirl]

I don't have any thing to auction, but can send a $ donation.

[Classic Melody]

While I applaud the idea of the auction, it seems like a time consuming and complicated affair to take on before you've even approached the trainer about the horse. Why don't you ask COTHer's to PM you with a pledge of how much they're willing to donate - since several have said they'll send you $$ rather than an auction item - and then approach the trainer? It seems like you can raise $500 rather easily, and maybe people will be even more willing to donate once you can tell them that the trainer will definitely sell the horse for that amount, or however much he tells you. And there's nothing stopping you from raising further funds by auction at that point, too. Once people know that saving this horse is a reality and not just an idea, I think they'll be super willing to help out even more than now.

It just seems like a huge leap of faith to put up an auction all while keeping your plans secret from the trainer. Why not approach him? You're offering him a simple solution to the end of this horse's career, which is upon him. I don't see why the trainer wouldn't work with you.

I would also suggest posting on Off Course, since a lot more people visit than the racing forum.

[Jessi P]

Hi Classic Melody,

Perhaps you didnt read the whole thread. Actually the trainer's wife is working with me on this one. She doesn't want to see Max snap a leg off either - has been trying to get hubby to give Max time off or sell him, and I am sure she was a big part of the decision to scratch him this past weekend on a horrible track. They have approx 40 horses, this is a numbers game to him and Max has been unproductive for some time and must go.

It is clear to all that Max is soon to go, just matter of after this race or the one after. He is almost out of starts at this racetrack, with just a couple races left. Once the trainer finalizes he has to go, he will go to either the killer guy or whoever hands him cash first. The killer guy goes through the track twice a week (altho he had a stroke last week and I havent heard how he is doing or if someone is doing his runs for him). We bought a filly from this trainer last week the morning after her race - her papers had already pulled from the office to give to Dick the killer guy to get more $ at auction. Max will be back in the next race that he is eligible for, probably next week. So, no one is keeping any secrets from the trainer, not even his wife. BUT ... if the trainer knows we want to get the horse out of there he will probably put a $2500-ish price tag on the horse and would DEMAND an exorbitant amount, or send the horse to the killers and say buy "him from the kill pen if that's all you want to give for him." I have seen him do it before to other people and other horses. It is certainly an option, to wait and buy him from Sugarcreek. But what a shame to put a horse through an auction needlessly if it can be avoided.

If I had the $$ to buy him myself and give him away I would.

[A Splash of Color]

Sleetwood Mac is entered to run on May 11, 2007 at FINGER LAKES
Your comments for this horse were: 1997 b g; Seattle Sleet x Moments Delight (General Assemby); black type; was Loren Cox, now Amalia B. Cox; Mountaineer
Race: 5 Distance: Five And One Half Furlongs Surface: Dirt Age: 10 Sex: Gelding
Race Type: Claiming Purse: $8500
Jockey: Michael A. Davila, Jr.
Trainer: L. Craig Cox (emphasis added)
Race conditions: FOR THREE YEAR OLDS AND UPWARD WHICH HAVE NOT WON THREE RACES IN 2006-2007. Three Year Olds, 118 lbs.; Older, 124 lbs. Non-winners of a race since April 11 Allowed 2 lbs. A race since March 11 Allowed 4 lbs. Claiming Price $4,000.
Last Raced: 04/17/2007 at MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT in Race 4
Finish Position: 8th
Last Reported Workouts:
01/26/2007-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-50:20 Breezing
09/05/2006-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-50:80 Breezing
06/20/2006-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Five Furlongs-Dirt Fast-1.07:00 Breezing

Good Luck, Max! Your fan club will be rooting for you.

Pray tell, which branch of the Cox family is L. Craig?

[Linny]

We have some F'Lakes folks here. Louise? Who else. Old Max needs a new guardian angel.

Splash! How have you been? My yahoo account crashed and I cannot find your email. Drop me a note. El Prado Rob trained yesterday, he's back aere at saratoga after a winter vacation in South Carolina. He looks better than ever.

[Louise]

I'll get right on this. I know L. Craig Cox, and he has listed horses with us in the past. I'll email the head of FLTAP tonight, and I'll give Cox a call.

[summerhorse]

I'll get right on this. I know L. Craig Cox, and he has listed horses with us in the past. I'll email the head of FLTAP tonight, and I'll give Cox a call.

It sure would be nice to finally get this old warrior retired before its too late although Amalia is the wife of the other trainer isn't she? Is this his son? Brother?

[A Splash of Color]

I'll get right on this. I know L. Craig Cox, and he has listed horses with us in the past. I'll email the head of FLTAP tonight, and I'll give Cox a call.


Louise and everyone,

Let's not forget that according to
Update on Max (Aug. 30, 2006) (http://chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=61367&highlight=sleetwood+mac), he has a little trust fund somewhere to help him transition into a new home (and a career that does not include being the Energizer Bunny!):

We have been very successful with our auction, raising over $800!! This will be enough for Max's purchase price and pay for worming/feeding/bedding him til he goes to his new home, and there should be enough left over to pay towards his shipping bill once we decide where he is going to go. Yeay!!

[A Splash of Color]

.... Amalia is the wife of the other trainer isn't she? Is this his son? Brother?

Summerhorse, perhaps Cox is a common name thereabouts?

Consider all the folks named Cox that were involved in the 5th race at Mountaineer back on March 13, 2007:

Second Place: Id'lly Divine - owner, Ryan Cox; trainer, L. Cox
Fourth Place: Sleetwood Mac - owner/trainer Amalia B. Cox
Fifth Place: Deputy Call - owner/trainer Loren G. Cox

[Louise]

I received an email back from the head of our organization stating that we could take Max. So, he has a place to go. Now we just have to get him into the program.

I had some second thoughts last night and decided that, with this particular trainer, I would be better off talking to him face to face, rather than over the phone. So, I will look him up on Saturday, when the volunteers are at the track.

Keep your fingers crossed that we can work this all out.

[Jessi P]

Hey everybody and yes, it's been awhile!

I had no clue that LG sold Max out from under me until I was alerted by a fellow COTHer. Apparently he got more $$ for selling him to go race at Finger Lakes than he was going to get from me and opted to take the bigger $$. He promised me several times that Max was safe and I had nothing to worry about when he was done racing. However he lied to me over and over again throughout the past year... and it turns out he is NOT a man of his word.

I wanted to post here that it is my intention to save another horse from this same trainer in Max's honor because his normal course of action is slaughter, failing that his funds will go to Louise to try to get Max himself off the track at FL.

I am sorry that I have failed Max so far but could only go by what I was told by his connections. They turned out to be nothing but a bunch of liars.... and Max is still racing and now out of my reach. I will see his Mountaineer trainer on Saturday and will talk to him at that time about rescuing another horse.

Again I am sorry that I couldnt keep the trainer from selling Max to someone else.. I tried and he did nothing but lie to me from the beginning, with his "one more race, one more race."

[Louise]

JessiP - you have a PM

[summerhorse]

I received an email back from the head of our organization stating that we could take Max. So, he has a place to go. Now we just have to get him into the program.

I had some second thoughts last night and decided that, with this particular trainer, I would be better off talking to him face to face, rather than over the phone. So, I will look him up on Saturday, when the volunteers are at the track.

Keep your fingers crossed that we can work this all out.

Best of luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[A Splash of Color]

Sometimes those two little words don't seem like enough.

To you and to all the other TB/OTTB guardian angels out there manning the front lines at the race tracks and at the auctions -- my heartfelt thanks!

You are the unsung heroes.

Good luck with Max's trainer.

[A Splash of Color]

Equibase chart says "Sleetwood Mac vied for the lead and tired."

[Louise]

Well, I talked to the trainer. He was happy with the way Max ran yesterday and isn't ready to retire him yet. I did get a commitment from him to contact FLTAP when he is ready to retire Max. He did, however, say that he wasn't going to give him away, he would expect money for him. That means that he will probably list Max on the Trainer Listings.

We check this barn every week. I will not push at the trainer, don't want to get his back up, but I will make sure we are easy to access, when the time is right for Max to retire.

While I would have loved for the trainer to have said "Yeh, he ran a terrible race yesterday. Here, take him right now," I really didn't expect much more than I got. In the dealings I have had with him in the past, he has always done what he said he would do. Hopefully, this time will be no different.

[A Splash of Color]

Sleetwood Mac (http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqpHorseMPPByHorse.cfm?refno=4293935&SAP=HPV&BT=TB) is entered to run on June 4, 2007 at FINGER LAKES
Your comments for this horse were: 1997 bg; Seattle Sleet x Moments Delight (General Assemby); black type; was Loren Cox, then Amalia B. Cox, Mountaineer; now L.Craig Cox, Finger Lakes
Race: 2 Distance: Six Furlongs Surface: Dirt Age: 10 Sex: Gelding
Race Type: Claiming Purse: $8500
Jockey: Michael A. Davila, Jr.
Trainer: L. Craig Cox
Race conditions: FOR THREE YEAR OLDS AND UPWARD WHICH HAVE NOT WON THREE RACES IN 2006-2007. Three Year Olds, 119 lbs.; Older, 124 lbs. Non-winners of a race since May 4 Allowed 2 lbs. A race since April 4 Allowed 4 lbs. Claiming Price $4,000.
Last Raced: 05/11/2007 at FINGER LAKES in Race 5
Finish Position: 5th
Last Reported Workouts:
01/26/2007-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-50:20 Breezing
09/05/2006-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-50:80 Breezing
06/20/2006-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Five Furlongs-Dirt Fast-1.07:00 Breezing

[summerhorse]

Sleetwood Mac (http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqpHorseMPPByHorse.cfm?refno=4293935&SAP=HPV&BT=TB) is entered to run on June 4, 2007 at FINGER LAKES
Your comments for this horse were: 1997 bg; Seattle Sleet x Moments Delight (General Assemby); black type; was Loren Cox, then Amalia B. Cox, Mountaineer; now L.Craig Cox, Finger Lakes
Race: 2 Distance: Six Furlongs Surface: Dirt Age: 10 Sex: Gelding
Race Type: Claiming Purse: $8500
Jockey: Michael A. Davila, Jr.
Trainer: L. Craig Cox
Race conditions: FOR THREE YEAR OLDS AND UPWARD WHICH HAVE NOT WON THREE RACES IN 2006-2007. Three Year Olds, 119 lbs.; Older, 124 lbs. Non-winners of a race since May 4 Allowed 2 lbs. A race since April 4 Allowed 4 lbs. Claiming Price $4,000.
Last Raced: 05/11/2007 at FINGER LAKES in Race 5
Finish Position: 5th
Last Reported Workouts:
01/26/2007-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-50:20 Breezing
09/05/2006-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Four Furlongs-Dirt Fast-50:80 Breezing
06/20/2006-MOUNTAINEER RACE TRACK AND GAMING RESORT-Five Furlongs-Dirt Fast-1.07:00 Breezing


Shoot, anyone have $4,000? I so dread coming on and reading this horse has broken down. =(

[CharingHounds]

I saw the first post here but didn't get the updates til tonight.:eek:

I recognized this guy's name from the Finger Lakes entries. I'll watch him run tomorrow and do some research. I don't have money to buy a horse at the track and I know these folks - no offense but it's all about the bottom line (DOLLARS) to them.
I hate to see a 9 or 10 year old like this who's more than paid his way (or any other horse for that matter), having to eke out what he can for as long as he can. It's SO NOT RIGHT.
Lucky for me when I fell in love with a 7 year old who had "more than paid his way" (and was beginning to struggle), the trainer decided to retire him and gave him to me for free. Good home guaranteed.
I know the track vet at Finger Lakes. She really cares about these guys. She's given her time, blood, sweat, and tears to the horses and to FLTAP (the Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Adoption Program). I'm sure she'll be watching too.
I just don't know about the money,though. You can't tell an owner or trainer what to do with their horse and unless they can make a profit somehow, it's tough to get a horse out. Even a $4,000 claimer at Finger Lakes, can drop to lower races at lower tracks where a failing but game horse might still make money for someone.
Sorry, I'm ranting.:mad:
I'll see what I can find out tomorrow.

[Louise]

CharingHounds, you have a private message.

[CharingHounds]

CharingHounds, you have a private message.

Thanks!

[A Splash of Color]

In the 2nd race today at Finger Lakes on a sloppy track, Sleetwood Mac finished last of 10 horses, some 19 lengths up the track. From the Equibase chart:

SLEETWOOD MAC bumped with ONLINE INTIME at the start, was close up early along the three path and tired.

The six furlongs went in 1:12.6. Max was second at the start, third at the quarter, fifth at the half, tenth at the head of the stretch and tenth at the wire.

[catknsn]

*sigh*

This is so frustrating to read. It's like the horse is either going to take $4000 to save, or he's going to break down and then he'll be available at a price a rescue can afford, but he may or may not survive breaking down.

[summerhorse]

*sigh*

This is so frustrating to read. It's like the horse is either going to take $4000 to save, or he's going to break down and then he'll be available at a price a rescue can afford, but he may or may not survive breaking down.

Exactly. The poor horse is screaming enough and they want to wring one more race out of him. Not that they are the only ones like that. Witness Danthebluegrassman. Or the poor grade 2 SW who broke down in a $4,000 claimer on dirt (this was a TURF horse...) I don't understand why the people who make their money off these animals can't step up and do the right thing. Not even these people so much who are probably not rich but Mike Pegram could easily put up $4,000 and claim Danthebluegrassman and retire him.

[TBCollector]

A friend took Mike Pegram's first million dollar winner when he was done racing. The hard knocking old gelding put Pegram AND Bob Baffert on the map. Do you think either of them has ever gone to visit the gelding, even though he lives a few miles from Santa Anita?
That'd be a big fat NOOOOOOOOOO.

[Graustark]

A friend took Mike Pegram's first million dollar winner when he was done racing. The hard knocking old gelding put Pegram AND Bob Baffert on the map. Do you think either of them has ever gone to visit the gelding, even though he lives a few miles from Santa Anita?
That'd be a big fat NOOOOOOOOOO.

I bet said gelding is really broken up about it, too ;)

What difference does it make if they stop by for a visit or not? Just because a previous owner doesn't visit a horse doesn't mean they didn't care about the horse. God knows they could have always just dropped it down the claiming ranks and let it fall into questionable hands. That horse made it to retirement OK, so be happy for that. We're talking about 2 businessmen here, at the end of the day.

[TBCollector]

No, I'm guessing the gelding doesn't lose a lot of sleep thinking about Pegram or Baffert. I know I don't.
My point was simply that this gelding was the first in a long line of great horses campaigned by these two men. He got the ball rolling for them in thoroughbreds, if you will. The fact that neither has inquired about him nor visited him (never mind chipped in a dime to help feed him) is rather shameful, IMO. It's also the main reason why racing fans are the ones spearheading efforts to rescue these game old horses while the people who made all the money with them move on to the next one.

[Louise]

Just got word that the trainer wants Sleetwood Mac gone -- fast. He wants money, won't donate. I have sent Jessi P an email, but, if anyone knows her, please let her know that I have and that I need to talk to her.

I have to confirm with FLTAP that they can still accept the horse. If they can, I will buy the horse with the money you all have collected (hopefully it will be enough) and then donate him to FLTAP.

Fingers crossed, jingle and pray, if your beliefs permit, it that we can get this horse safely into FLTAP's hands.

[summerhorse]

Just got word that the trainer wants Sleetwood Mac gone -- fast. He wants money, won't donate. I have sent Jessi P an email, but, if anyone knows her, please let her know that I have and that I need to talk to her.

I have to confirm with FLTAP that they can still accept the horse. If they can, I will buy the horse with the money you all have collected (hopefully it will be enough) and then donate him to FLTAP.

Fingers crossed, jingle and pray, if your beliefs permit, it that we can get this horse safely into FLTAP's hands.

Thank god but isn't that typical? One minute they won't sell and next they can't get him out of the barn fast enough, sometimes so fast you can't even buy them! It must mean he got hurt in that race. =( (ETA: if he did the money we collected already should be enough)

[Louise]

That's what I'm thinking also, summerhorse. I just hope we're wrong.

[Louise]

I have definite confirmation from FLTAP that they wil take Max. I will contact the trainer today, after I talk to Jessi P to confirm funding, and make an offer. Hopefully, we can pull this off. If it's OK with you guys, any extra money would be used to pay for board on Max, until we can get him placed. Max apparently has a seranoma on his leg from being kicked that is quite sizable.

Now, the problem. FLTAP gets funding from the track, but it is in the form of a fee per entry, per race. Since it is the beginning of the season, the coffers are very, very low, mainly because we are supporting quite a few horses in boarding situations. We need foster homes, but that is another story. There is another horse that this same trainer wants to move. His name is Le Numerous, and he is a nine year old gelding who has won over $360,000 in his lifetime. The trainer says that he is sound.

I don't know if FLTAP can take him also, money being as tight as it is, but I will ask. Do you guys want to try for him also? Don't donate anything yet, let me find out if FLTAP can even handle taking two of them. But let me know what you think.

And, if there is anyone out there who would be interested in offering either of these guys a non-racing home, that would be appreciated also.

[Louise]

FLTAP has confirmed that they will take Le Numerous also. They are trying to get the trainer to donate them, but so far he definitely wants cash money. I have not yet been able to get in touch with Jessi, so things are still very much up in the air.

I really need to know what you folks who were so good to donate for Max think about the other horse. If you don't want to answer here, please PM me.

I just wanted to add that this trainer is not in any way the bad guy. I have know him for a couple of years, and have always seen that he has tried to get his horses placed in good homes. I am fairly confident that Max isn't in any immediate danger. I just think that, as a businessman, he wants to get him moved along to his new home as quickly as possible.

[A Splash of Color]

Louise,

Although cash is a bit thin on the ground these days, I can scrape together a small amount to help FLTAP retire Le Numerous, too.

Also, if an auction is feasible, I could donate something.

Le Numerous must have joined Max in the trailer for the trip from Mountaineer. Until recently he was racing with Larry Cox. I guess Mr. & Mrs. did some spring cleaning. Thinning the herd or making room for new arrivals, one wonders?

Hey, you've got Funny Cide headed your way for July 4. He should draw a crowd. Is there time to plan a fundraiser to coincide with FC's visit?

[Calamber]

I could offer a non racing home to one of them if they are under 16.2 H and might be sound enough to go trail riding. One hitch is that I am in Tidewater, Va. Conversely, if it cannot work out for the home tell me where to send a donation please.

[Laurierace]

Louise,


Hey, you've got Funny Cide headed your way for July 4. He should draw a crowd. Is there time to plan a fundraiser to coincide with FC's visit?

That is a fantastic idea ala Alex's lemonade stand. I wouldn't be surprised if the FC connections would allow you to use his name somehow if you contacted them ahead of time. You already have a leg up since FL is obviously horse rescue friendly. When I approached Pimlico about putting up a rescue booth for Maryland Million day they all but had me escorted off the grounds and threatened to take my stalls away at the track since they were afraid I was filling them with "worthless rescues." Yes I do have that quote in writing if push came to shove.

[catknsn]

Thank god but isn't that typical? One minute they won't sell and next they can't get him out of the barn fast enough, sometimes so fast you can't even buy them!

People do the same thing with all kinds of sale horses, unfortunately. Witness the proliferation of "Must sell this horse! $800 firm or he goes to the auction!" They will stubbornly not sell him out of their backyard for $300, but then they will get desperate and take him to the auction and let him go for $150. I see it all the time.

[Laurierace]

People do the same thing with all kinds of sale horses, unfortunately. Witness the proliferation of "Must sell this horse! $800 firm or he goes to the auction!" They will stubbornly not sell him out of their backyard for $300, but then they will get desperate and take him to the auction and let him go for $150. I see it all the time.

Yep, and you know what? Those are the horses you have to let go as hard as that is to do. If you don't then the owner is rewarded and plays his blackmail game over and over again. Sorry if that sounds cold hearted, but you have to think about the big picture.

[A Splash of Color]

Louise,
....
Hey, you've got Funny Cide headed your way for July 4. He should draw a crowd. Is there time to plan a fundraiser to coincide with FC's visit?

When I posted earlier, I didn't have all the details. Fingers Lakes is planning an FLTAP fundraiser for Funny Cide's July 4 visit. From the Albany Times Union (http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=595500&category=SPORTS&newsdate=6/6/2007):

For us, this is an opportunity to get him out there where a lot of fans will get a chance to see him run live," said Jack Knowlton, managing partner for Sackatoga Stable, which owns the horse. "It will also give Finger Lakes a chance to do a nice promotion."

It will be a Funny Cide day at the track. Knowlton and several of his Sackatoga buddies will hand out Funny Cide buttons. The horse's trophies will also be on display. Profits from any Funny Cide merchandise sold that day will benefit the Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Adoption Program.

[abrant]

I remember Le Numerous from when he ran at Prairie Meadows.

I would *LOVE* to take him at least to find him a new home... but I'll here outside of Chicago. The closest I could get to him would be to Kentucky in about 3 weeks... but that's not a huge help...

~Adrienne

[summerhorse]

I think it would be great to be able to get both of them. Once a price is set you could post it on the Tim Woolley Forum. All kinds of people there band together to save horses and since (hopefully) most of Max's ransom is paid if not all and then some it shouldn't be too hard to come up with the extra for Le Numerous.

It's free to join, put the topic under horse rescue issues and it would be best (even though donations can go to FL program for tax purposes) that you keep track of how much is needed and sent for them there. http://forums.delphiforums.com/timwoolley/start

Yeah I figured something was wrong with Max. Let's hope that is ALL it is (along with his other wear and tear) and nothing more serious. At least he won't be breaking down on the track thank goodness.

[Louise]

Jessi P got in touch with me. I'll be calling the trainer today to see what I can work out. Fingers crossed for a good outcome.

I want to thank both of you who have offered homes to these guys. Once we get them into the program, let's get in touch and see if we can work something out.

[Reds-n-Greys]

can't offer a home, but would like to help with a donation to free them both....:yes:

[Louise]

The trainer was kind enough to sell them both to us, for $800, with the understanding that they would go to the Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Adoption Program (FLTAP). Oh, I'm so excited. I wish I wasn't at work, I'd be jumping up and down and doing a jig! I'll pay for them on Saturday, and they'll be moved into FLTAP's possession shortly thereafter.

I want to note here that I represented all of us, and clearly stated that I was not acting for FLTAP in this matter. FLTAP does not buy horses, they are donated to them. I will handle the donation process.

So many people to thank. First and foremost, Jessi P, for starting all of this and for going to all of the trouble of collecting the money. Then there was the trainer, who was never less than courteous, and who was willing to come to an agreement that we both could deal with. The folks at FLTAP, who agreed to take these guys, even if it would be stretching their budget to the limit and beyond. And, lastly, all of you folks at COTH, who once again have stepped up to the plate and helped get two fine campaigners a second chance at another productive life.

Some of you have mentioned that you would like to donate. We don't need, of course, any additional money to actually buy the horses. However, they will have to be boarded, at a cost of around $300 a month, until we can get them adopted. I'm sure that FLTAP would greatly appreciate any donations that could be made to help care for these guys. You can check my signiture line and click on the link to FLTAP. From there, it will be easy to find the donations button. Mention Sleetwood Mac and Le Numerous in your message, so that the FLTAP folks know who to designate the money for. And, of course, your donation will be tax deductible this way.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

[CharingHounds]

Thank you for the great news!
Blessings!:)

[vineyridge]

Louise, huge thanks to you and FLTAP and Jessi P, of course, and all the CoTHer's who chipped in for Max and donated and bid on his auction. You guys have given these gallant campaigners a chance for another life and not a ride on a meat truck to Canada.

Please thank the trainer for me, and I'm sure everyone here, for being a sort of good guy. He got his meat money, and you get the horses for meat money.

[maunder]

Super news that these two campaigners are safe. Wonderful and thanks to all that cared enough about them! Heh heh, Louise, as you know I work out of home and can do a jig, can-can or anything silly that I want in celebration!:):)

Your efforts (everyones efforts!) on the behalf of these and every horse at the FLRT are very much appreciated!

[catknsn]

Yep, and you know what? Those are the horses you have to let go as hard as that is to do. If you don't then the owner is rewarded and plays his blackmail game over and over again. Sorry if that sounds cold hearted, but you have to think about the big picture.

I agree with you. When I see people post wanting to "save" the horse I tell them to figure out what auction is being threatened and go there and buy at the sale for a true rescue price, not the price the seller would like to get by using these tactics.

[catknsn]

The trainer was kind enough to sell them both to us, for $800, with the understanding that they would go to the Finger Lakes Thoroughbred Adoption Program (FLTAP).

Fantastic news! Thanks to all who helped. It's great to hear these 2 will get a much-deserved rest.

[Reds-n-Greys]

WOO HOO!!! Great job!! On behalf of all the horses, thank you...

My donation was sent.

~~ I can't wait to see PICTURES!!!!:yes:

[DeeThbd]

I have tears in my eyes right now...am SO happy to hear a happy ending for Max and his friend. I think through so many good horses I knew and wonder where they are today....
you guys ROCK...thank you.
Dee
Proud mom of 2 OTTB geldings

[summerhorse]

This is such great news! I wish I wasn't so far away. I could board them (well one) cheaper but it would cost 3 months board at least (I'm guessing) to ship one down here! =( Well hopefully they will both get adopted quickly. Thank goodness this trainer is more um, horse friendly than the other one. He'll never hear it but I am sure thankful these horses went to him and didn't stay where they were.

[A Splash of Color]

Louise and FLTAP, thank you beyond words!

The move to Finger Lakes was probably the best thing that could have happened to Max and Le Numerous because it put them on FLTAP's radar.

L. Craig Cox is to be commended for graciously doing right by these two old campaigners.

What wonderful news to come home to!

[Linny]

Such great news!!!! Many thanks to all involved.

[abrant]

Yay for Le Numerous. I've been thinking about him all day since I read this thread....

I worked at Prairie Meadows in the racing center during the summer that he raced so much there. He was nothing particularly special to me ... just one of those horses that run like clockwork... just one of those horses that are familiar... one of those horses that I wouldn't even think "what ever happened to...".

I'm glad you got him! I'm going to think seriously about adoption... I already have 1 horse, why not two? ;) It was the first one that was the hard decision...

~Adrienne

[Calamber]

Thanks to those who stuck on these horses' trails and to all involved with the rescue and rehabilitation of the Thoroughbred Race Horse. I have been down with the flu for a week and finally something uplifting! Blessings!

[Louise]

Oh abrant, do think seriously about adopting one of these guys. And that goes for anyone else also. These aren't the kind of horses that most folks are interested in. I haven't even seen them, so I have no idea how big they are, but most folks want the big young horses. These old campaigners sometimes sit and wait for their person for quite a while. I can't think of anything more wonderful than for them to end up with one of the folks who have held by Max for all this time, and who opened their hearts to Le Numerous so rapidly.

[texang73]

Yeah!!! :D This is great news!!! Kudos and congrats to all involved.

I can't wait to see pics of the boys in their new digs...