Barbaro ~ America's Horse

[maple_brook]

Oh no! :cry:

Lots of jingles and prayers for Bobby!!!!

[monstrpony]

Lots of jingles for Barbaro!!

I think annikak said it very well, and if anything, I think the Barbaro tide brings new attention to horses that are less fortunate but still in need.

Will keep everything I can crossed in hopes that things turn around soon.

[certifiedgirl]

Jingles from Wa!!!!
And praying for good news soon.

[VirginiaBred]

Update 214: Just spoke with Kathy Anderson. She visited Bobby at about 4 pm. She wanted to let me know that despite all the medical information that we are learning, Barbaro is comfortable. He appeared bright and she was encouraged. She gave Bobby about a half hour of good scratching, and when a nursing assistant was russling a plastic bag he misinterpretted this activity as dinner time; he was alert and looking for food. She called me as she really wanted to make sure everyone knew that despite all, he remains reasonably comfortable.

[Levi's owner]

Well....that's good. I think you can tell from the pictures on the UPenn website that he still has that incredible eye of his. He is just so stunning. Also, I think we need to remember that Dr. Dean all along has said Bobby has a 50/50 shot. Nevertheless, I am praying hard!

[summerly]

Tons go out to the big horse and everyone in the Matz camp, I have friends who work there and can't say enough good about Matz. Hopefully the horse gods are smiling on them and their superstar.

[I'm EBO]

Help me out here, please. The abscesses seem to be taken more seriously than the site infection. Is that the case? Is it because of his current condition and they fear any infection anywhere? Is it because they often accompany laminitis (although I thought they followed a laminitic episode)? Is the fear that he will put too much weight on the right leg too soon if the left is too sore?

Confused, but continuing to jingle.

Thanks.

[M. O'Connor]

Jingling away...Oh, how I hope he will get through this, even as I realize the seriousness and the implications of the latest developments; thanks so much VB for keeping us up to date on the "inside" scoop--I am so worried every time I see something in the general press, trying to read between the lines and figure out what's really going on.

It's interesting to me to read about the paneled painting of the Jacksons with a hound named Barbaro on it. I have what sounds like a similar painting, and I think it also has a dog named Barbaro in it. When we had it looked at by a friend of ours who used to work for Christie's, he said that the dogs on the right and left were the parents of the litter, in between. Not sure which one (on the right, or left) is "Barbaro," as the painting is now in storage, pending our move to VA in the fall...http://members7.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/members/compact_slide_show.pl?album_item_id=98035967

[Lori T]

Sending lots more jingles for Barbaro!

Lori
www.calypsofarm.piczo.com

[eks]

I think Annikak summed up what I am feeling beautifully...this horse seems to have just captivated everyone with his amazing courage and dignity. The Washinton Post article just breaks my heart, but I am thinking positive thoughts...especially after reading that he is resting comfortably and is still interested in food. What an incredible animal he is with how he has dealt with all of this over the past 2 months.

[yellow-horse]

am i reading the news reports correctly, it seems like there is an infection in the injured leg, the pastern? injury, and they said something about the joint? could he have a bone infection? is that what the concern is? when i kept reading about the abcess i thought well yeh that's bad for a horse who doesn't need one more thing wrong but not that bad, a bone infection/joint infection would be an entirely different thing

[VirginiaBred]

Taken from Forbes.com:

"A major concern centers on the infection in the right rear pastern joint - located above the hoof that was shattered into more than 20 pieces. While most of the fractured bones have healed, the joint that connects the long and short pastern bones remains problematic."

[aahunterjumper]

Finally the site and my pokey dial-up let me log in! Many thanks VB and others for the updates. Still jingling and praying for Barbaro and his people.

[Mardi]

My prayers and best hopes go out to him. What a magnificient and brave spirit he is.

[Carol Ames]

What is the Link for Peter B?

[ivy62]

This is certanly a rollercoster ride! I really feel for the Jacksons and everyone working close with him. I know I am moved by every update, thank you VB, and do not even know them. I cannot imagine going through this first hand... BIG JINGLES for Barbaro. Just remember some horse have the strength to live through adversity it is part of their character and charm. All the best wishes of good luck from his friends here in NY!

[charlieo]

You're right , Ivy, and the TBs seem to have that extra something -- maybe it's what gets them to the front of the pack and keeps them there -- call it courage, or staying power, or just plain willingness to do whatever is asked of them. They let us know when it's too much, and Bobby hasn't yet. Come on, big horse, our prayers are with you. Jingling....

[yellow-horse]

i have a horse who had a bone infection in her hock, she was given a 10% chance of survival and the vets were urging i put her down but she kept getting up to her feet and wouldn't give up, so i gave her every chance, she is alive 10 years later
she is the kind of horse who can have a good day no matter what, very stoic and calm about horrible injuries and pain, she went through alot but never gave up
so they can beat the odds

[Kenike]

does anyone know what time the press conference is tomorrow?

[Hopeful Hunter]

VB, THANK YOU for these updates -- having a site with real information is such a wonderful service, and much appreciated.

My jingles and healing thoughts go to Barbaro, and my wishes for comfort go to his human family -- all who are caring for and who care about a wonderful and fragile life.

Personally, I'm hoping Barbaro is the equine Lance Armstrong and goes on to beat the odds to be able to romp and play and breed for many, many years.

[VirginiaBred]

Update 215: A new article from the Baltimore Sun, later in the day yesterday (10:34 pm): Derby winner Barbaro is 'facing tough odds' Infections impede horse's recovery (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/horseracing/bal-barbaro0712,0,4972864.story?coll=bal-sports-horse). Much of the content we are familiar with I think. The Mercury News carries an article that mentions the purpose of today's press conference: Surgeon says Barbaro's 'facing tough odds' (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/15024652.htm) (which I plan to attend), excerpt:

Addressing a rumor that the news conference was to announce that Barbaro would be put down as soon as Thursday night, Gretchen Jackson said that was unfounded.
"No, I guarantee that's not going to happen unless something goes drastically wrong in the next 24 hours," she said in a phone interview Wednesday night.
The purpose of the news conference, she said, was for Richardson to give a detailed update on the events of the last week. "It just seems fitting that Dean does the whole thing now."

Lets hope Bobby has good comfort today and the Press Conference gives us some hope regarding his medical condition.

[Fred]

thank you VAbred for the update. I continue to hope and pray with all my heart.
Gail

[VirginiaBred]

Again, my thanks to Tim:

Update 216: Spoke to Michael Matz this morning (thursday). It appears Bobby is still doing OK given all we know. I asked Michael a little more about the press conference this morning. He won't be able to attend, but is aware that Dr. Dean Richardson will be very forthcoming with everything that is occuring (no surprise apparently if you know Dean). Michael also mentioned he received a very nice letter, which he gave to Peter (Brette) to give to me, that discussed this site. I'll look forward to reading it. (Peter could not give it to me since he was on a horse, Michael was on Messaging and I was on one of Tim's horses, whose "nickname" is also Bobby!) I am planning to attend the press conference.
update thursday, 7:15 am

[411]

Thank you VAbred for all the updates. It's great to be able to get the real story and not rumors. I can't even imagine what a stressful and difficult time this if for everyone who loves him. Hoping and praying he'll fight his way through this.

[PetsAlive]

VABred - I am certainly not an expert bbut want to share something with you that 'may' help Bobby.

Two years ago we had a horse that had surgery for a coffin bone infection - it went from bad to worse and nothing would treat the infection. All antibiotics were tried, injected, iv'd and infused. After TEN MONTHS (and what was for us a lot of money) they suggested I put Timmy down. I searched the internet for clues, called every 'bone' vet in the US and finally found an old gent in TX who suggested they infuse MERTHIOLATE into the area - NOT the 'new merthiolate' but the old one which was taken off the market and contained mercury. He had a few bottles and sent them to us at New England Equine and they initially poo=poo'd the idea. Bottom line, they tried it and three days later Timmy came home. It's probably hard to get but I am sure the folks at New Bolton can get it compounded - it's cheap and certainly worth a try. Please pass this mesage on and after they get through laughing maybe they will think about whether it could help.

[eggbutt]

MERTHIOLATE

OH MY! I remember my dad dobbing this stuff all over my brother and I when we were kids -- we walked around with orange polka-dots all over us but the stuff worked on anything!

VB, I can't believe how anxious (in a bad way) I am feeling as I'm waiting for you to update us on the press conference. I've been praying as hard for Bobby and Company as I could possibly pray for a member of my own herd/family but the rumors really scare me and pull negativity into many of us.

Without a doubt you are my nomination for COTH poster of the year!

[sporthorsefilly]

From: http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060713/SPORTS/60713011/1002/SPORTS

Barbaro update expected at 11 a.m.

Thursday, July 13, 2006


After reports Wednesday that Kentucky Derby-winner Barbaro was "facing tough odds and his condition is guarded," his doctor will update his condition again this morning.

Barbaro, who shattered three bones in his right hind leg May 20, has undergone three surgical procedures in the past week. In the most recent one, Saturday, Dr. Dean Richardson replaced the titanium plate and 27 screws and treated two infections -- one in the injured leg and a small abscess on the sole of his uninjured left hind hoof.

The colt's condition is scheduled to be discussed at a news conference at 11 a.m. today. No one has seriously discussed putting down the horse, with Richardson likely to explain what's in the immediate future for the strapping colt.

"Our entire staff is determined to do all they can for this magnificent horse," Richardson said in a statement issued by the George D. Widener Hospital for Large Animals, where he is chief surgeon at the New Bolton Center.

Barbaro won the Derby by 6 1/2 lengths, was unbeaten in six races and expected to make a Triple Crown bid before his misstep ended his racing career. He was taken to the New Bolton Center hours after breaking down and underwent five hours of surgery the next day.

At that time, Richardson said the chances of the horse's survival were 50-50.


Prayers for Barbaro, and all those connected to him.

[VirginiaBred]

PetsAlive, I've sent your suggestion. One never knows.


Let's all pray for this wonderful, brave horse.

[ElonGrad1997]

Thanks for the updates...jingling hard as always!

Will someone please recap the new conference? I don't think I'll catch it at work.

Thanks!!!

[VirginiaBred]

Associated Press
Barbaro's Condition Worsens Again
By DAN GELSTON , 07.13.2006, 06:36 AM

No one has given up on Barbaro. Not the owners who visit him daily in his ICU stall. Not the fans who came to wish him well. Certainly not his dedicated vet, who is determined to do everything he can to save the life of the Kentucky Derby winner.

Barbaro will need all the help he can get after a week where every glint of optimism has been dashed by even more disheartening, alarming news.

On Wednesday, "tough odds" was how Dr. Dean Richardson described the 3-year-old's chances for recovery from the catastrophic injuries suffered in the Preakness. Barbaro, who shattered three bones in his right hind leg May 20, has undergone three surgical procedures in the past week. In the most recent one, Saturday, Richardson replaced the titanium plate and 27 screws and treated two infections - one in the injured leg and a small abscess on the sole of his uninjured left hind hoof.
"Our entire staff is determined to do all they can for this magnificent horse," Richardson said in a statement issued by the George D. Widener Hospital for Large Animals, where he is chief surgeon at the New Bolton Center.

Still, the doctor didn't mince words: "He's facing tough odds, and his condition is guarded."

The colt's condition is scheduled to be discussed at a news conference Thursday. No one has seriously discussed putting down the horse, with Richardson likely to explain what's in the immediate future for the strapping colt.

A major concern centers on the infection in the right rear pastern (ankle) joint - located above the hoof that was shattered into more than 20 pieces. While most of the fractured bones have healed, the joint that connects the long and short pastern bones remains problematic.

Saturday's surgery lasted three hours, and Richardson replaced the hardware that had been inserted into the leg the day after the Preakness.

Until the recent setbacks, Barbaro's recovery had been going smoothly. Even on Wednesday, owner Gretchen Jackson cited the good things: "He's eating, his temperature is normal, his bloodwork is excellent, his pulse rate is good."

Her husband, Roy, however, conceded the sudden changes in Barbaro's condition made this a tough week.

"We've been concerned all along," he said. "It's just one of those things. It's very difficult to climb the mountain when something like that happened."

The New Bolton Center was quiet Wednesday, devoid of the fruit and floral deliveries that arrived almost one after the other shortly after the strapping colt first was admitted. There were no visitors tacking their homemade signs expressing prayers and well wishes to the fence that surrounds the sprawling, 650-acre campus. Inside, only a smattering of cards from weeks ago remained.

Still, two fans stopped near the fence Wednesday evening and silently prayed for Barbaro's healthy recovery.

"It's slowed down a bit, but we're still getting notes from time to time," Roy Jackson said. "We've gotten a lot of things from little kids."

Barbaro won the Derby by 6 1/2 lengths, was unbeaten in six races and expected to make a Triple Crown bid before his misstep ended his racing career. He was taken to the New Bolton Center hours after breaking down and underwent five hours of surgery the next day.
At that time, Richardson said the chances of the horse's survival were 50-50.

AP Racing Writer Richard Rosenblatt in New York contributed to this report.

[Indy]

Thanks for all the updates VABred.

More jingles and prayers being sent his way!!

[JumpingPaints]

VirginiaBred, you are wonderful to have kept everyone updated on this guy. Thank you.

Does anyone know if the news conference will be broadcast live anywhere? (ESPN, Horse racing network?) Thanks.

[Davignport]

We are all praying for Bobby and his family every day. I know that Dr. Richardson will do everything he can to get him through his. We all have to believe God is watching over him and that this is just a bump in the road. He is such a brave boy and such a fighter. Tons and tons of jingles coming his way all day every day. VA Bred - thank you sooo much for all the updates. I check this site many times daily to see how he is doing. Special horses like him come along very rarely and he just has to be ok.

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

I think if you live in the Philly area, that NBC 10 may show it live, they have been on top of this since the beginning.

[luveventing]

SOMEONE has got to tell us whats going on for those of us without TVs for the press conference....I am so nervous to hear what they have to say!!!

[VirginiaBred]

Update 217: OK, off to the Press Conference. Will report back when I am there etc! Wanted to thank Ed Foutaine for his kind mention of this site in the New York Post today. May be I'll get to thank him in person. Also wanted to note that I saw Bobby's older half brother this morning, Holy Ground. Emily (Michael Matz exercise rider) was riding him on the track. He is a four year old stakes winner I think. It seems many have interest in his younger siblings but are less aware of the oldest half brother.

[War Admiral]

Here's NBC 10's main page (http://www.nbc10.com/index.html) - looks to me as if they will probably have video AFTER the press conference. Hope so anyway.

[Spoilsport]

Philly's NBC 10 apparently has "live coverage" on the website, for those who can access the internet but not TV -

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9504237/detail.html

[canyonoak]

jingles and more jingles, sending the best thoughts, energy, prayer, white lightning and by dad by gum, merthiolate if that will help.

It is the image of that 'look of eagles' horse, dealing with his pain, his fear, his courage, that moves me.

jingles for Barbaro and hoping this is just a bump in the road.

[VirginiaBred]

Just in from Tim:


Update 218: Just arrived at New Bolten Center...the parking lot is full. There are quite a few trucks- WGAL, News 8, Fox 29, NBC 10, Eyewitness 3. I spoke briefly to Jeannine Edwards from ESPN. This is actually the first time I've been to NBC since the accident. I'm looking in the lobby at the six huge cards for Barbaro from Churchill Downs. They're covered with signatures and each one has the quote "Once a Derby winner, always a Derby winner. Get well soon Barbaro." The news conference is scheduled to start in 10 minutes. Will update as soon as it's over.

[Spoilsport]

Philly's CBS 3 also has live coverage on the internet -

http://cbs3.com/

[War Admiral]

Yup, God bless NBC 10, they're doing it live.

Jingles for the Big Hoss.

[War Admiral]

Vets: severe case of stinking flounder, LH. :(

They have resectioned LH.

[AHC]

I'm on the webiste and can see Dr. Richardson, but I can't hear him. Looking forward to an update soon.

[War Admiral]

"In an intensive pain management regimen... Main concern is the horse's comfort - we will only go on as long as everyone is convinced they can come in every day and see he is acceptably comfortable. But we do NOT intend to euthanize at this time. He nickers, eats, drinks, has good GI, and acts like a normal horse."

[moonriverfarm]

Me too, and will somebody PLEASE tell us exactly what the problem is? I heard infection, but those of you in the know...please share more!
JING-A-LING FOR BOBBY!

[AC & Ty]

AAAACCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!! How do you get the live broadcast to work???????????????? IO can't find it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[War Admiral]

"LH foot is as bad as it can get. He is in a foot cast. 20% of hoof wall still attached to coffin bone.

But he is reasonably comfortable and can be managed for a while like this."

[War Admiral]

"Prognosis poor. It's not unheard of and as long as the horse is not suffering we'll continue to try."

[moonriverfarm]

I CANT GET THE LIVE BROADCAST ONLINE TO WORK - HELP!!!!

[Joanne]

http://www.nbc10.com/index.html

[Kenike]

oh Dear God...he just about killed me with the laminitis and "poor" prognosis

[imissvixen]

It's on ESPN News Channel which is different than ESPN.

Yes, prognosis poor. :( :( :( :(

[War Admiral]

For those just joining, Dr. Richardson reports B has a severe case of laminitis in the good LH. Hoof was resectioned, only 20% of it left. They are managing him w/ pain meds. They intend to continue.

Someone from TB Times asked whether there was any rotation - this was NOT responded to.

[Charisma]

Jingle Jingle Jingle
I am jingling away for this horse. I sure hope he is not in a lot of pain. Thanks for the updates, and keeping us all posted.

Sending Reiki to him now.....

[JumpingPaints]

Okay, it doesn't appear ESPN is covering the conference - not on their web site either.... does anyone have an internet link we can watch it on? Thanks.

[yellow-horse]

crap

[War Admiral]

"If he develops laminitis in another foot, we will NOT continue."

[monstrpony]

crap

...and a half! :no:

[deltawave]

Poor boy, I hope he's not too miserable. I know they will do the right thing for him...let's hope the "right thing" is clear and allows the big guy to recover to a meaningful, comfortable life.

[War Admiral]

http://www.nbc10.com/video/9259913/detail.html

[FourWands]

Downgraded to Poor. :(

[sporthorsefilly]

We need faith and prayers. He is in the best hospital in the world, has the best doctors and owners.

Jingles for Barbaro.

[Kenike]

Okay, it doesn't appear ESPN is covering the conference - not on their web site either.... does anyone have an internet link we can watch it on? Thanks.

Huh? I'm watching it on ESPN right now! ESPN News, to be exact

[imissvixen]

Look for ESPN News. It is channel 142 on Time Warner Cable in Raleigh/Durham area.

I feel like I am being "prepared".

[bumknees]

The vet however seems to be getting the point across to the press what the problem is. though I think he is about to reach out and choke someone if they ask about the treatment procedures again. Dont we all wish there was the wonder book out there that you could open up and find the exact and perfect treatment for what ever is wrong with the horse.

[Kenike]

I feel like I am being "prepared".

So do I....and I'm on the verge of tears (hormones are still up, I guess)

[FourWands]

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34393

Classic winner Barbaro has developed a severe case of laminitis in his left hind foot, according to Dr. Dean Richardson of the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center, where surgery was conducted May 21 to repair multiple fractures in his right hind ankle.

Richardson said Thursday that Barbaro's chances of surviving this much-feared complication were "poor."

[17handtb]

Can't really find a more eloquent summation than that right now. What awful news...this poor, brave horse, and the poor people who have gone to incredible lengths of hope and accomplishment to help him.

I had really let myself believe he was going to sail through after the last couple of months of fantastic news. I can't even imagine that he might be lost after all of this. :no:

We will keep praying and hoping hard for you, dear Barbaro.

Many thanks to Virginia for the ongoing updates.

[moonriverfarm]

Thankfully I have never had to deal firsthand with founder, so please describe hoof resectioning (I "think" I want to know....:confused:).....

[Bacchus]

They took off most of his hoof wall. It's like if your fingernail comes loose--you cut off the dead part. He has about 20% left.

[Boston Chicken]

What can they do if anything? I am so terribly sad.

[VirginiaBred]

Doctors Say Barbaro Has Catastrophic Injury

Dr. Dean Richardson at the New Bolton Center says Barbaro has a catastrophic case of laminitis but his owners have no short-term plans to put him down.

Richardson said Barbaro has a "poor" chance of recovery, but a recovery would not be unheard of, and he has seen horses recover from laminitis.
"The horse had some major complications and he has had more serous complications this week," Richardson said.

The horse has a severe case of laminitis in his left foot and his doctors have removed a large potion of his hoof, he said.

Laminitis is an extremely painful condition for a horse. Richardson said it would take at least 6 months for a recovery.

"The horse had no problems until he experienced problems with his right foot and then developed laminitis in his left foot," Richardson said.

But he said frankly that Barbaro's recovery was a long shot.

"We are putting a lot of work into this case," Richardson said. "We aren't giving up."

Richardson said he also called the press conference to counter rumors that Barbaro was being put down.

"The Jacksons only concern is the horse's comfort," Richard said. "It is a bad situation for the Jacksons."

Richardson said Barbaro was on pain medication but didn't have a temperature and was eating normally.

Barbaro became a national figure after his huge victory at the Kentucky Derby and serious injury at the Preakness.

His visitors at Penn's New Bolton Center included Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell.
Owners Roy and Gretchen Jackson, who live down the road in West Grove, Pa., were daily visitors, as was trainer Michael Matz. They remained the colt's side during his health struggles.

"If that was me in that stall, I don't think I'd have as good an attitude he has," Roy Jackson said in early July. "He just seems to know he's got to go through this. It was the same thing with his racing. He knew what he had to do and did it."

The Jacksons were not alone.

"It's impossible for us to thank everybody who has supported the horse as he goes through this," Jackson said. "It's meant the world to all of us."

Barbaro and the New Bolton Center had been flooded by well wishes from fans after Barbaro's accident

[ASB Stars]

I thought Richardson was going to break down. He said, "if you look at this horse, it would be really hard to put him down right now." and then practically ran from the stage. What he must be feeling- knowing that they are doing everything, and having this horse in such dire straights-

It was deeply moving to see how much Richardson truly cares....

[VirginiaBred]

Jeannine Edwards (ESPN) will be broadcasting at 1pm today on ESPN News with additional updates on the story.

[Regalmeans]

Oh god how heartbreaking.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/47-07132006-683246.html

It does not sound good at all. Jingles and love to everyone involved in this.

[moonriverfarm]

What a gallant and brave horse he is, and I just wanted to hug Dr Richardson. Now THAT is a vet with a huge, huge heart. This must just be devastating for him, and for the Jacksons. Jingling madly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[baywithchrome2]

ASB - I thought the same thing. I feel terrible for Dr. Richardson and his team... they are putting so much time, energy and emotion into Barbaro. This must be gut-wrenching.

Come on Barbaro... keep fighting... please don't give up. :cry:

[Joanne]

I am sending my co-workers, who know little about horses but have expressed interest, to this web site. Pretty much explains things with diagrams


http://www.laminitisresearch.org/chrispollitt_whatislaminitis.htm

[luveventing]

thank you!!! for the link to the philly station!!! I was able to watch the whole thing at work and managed NOT to cry in front of my boss. How devastating. But we all know as horse people that the horse will let you know when its time... lets hope barbaro keeps telling us its not time yet.....Again why the hell arent we breeding more magnificant animals like this with with the character to keep on fighting and not fight the help they are trying to give him. Sure does seem tough at this point with two injured hind legs. poor poor guy. If only his body would heal.......ugh. I dont know how much I can stand this the next few days!! I have never been so drawn into a horses story. I love richardson's dealing with the media. You got to give it to that man for being who he is and having to deal with all of this media coverage on TOP of having to take care of many critically ill horses. No one can say they didnt fight for this horse..............I just really hope we get our happy ending.

[VirginiaBred]

From Bloodhorse.com:

Laminitis Strikes Barbaro; Survival Chances Called 'Poor'
Date Posted: 7/13/2006 11:13:52 AM
Last Updated: 7/13/2006 11:28:35 AM
Classic winner Barbaro has developed a severe case of laminitis (http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleindex/article.asp?id=33703) in his left hind foot, according to Dr. Dean Richardson of the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center, where surgery was conducted May 21 to repair multiple fractures in his right hind ankle.

Richardson said Thursday that Barbaro's chances of surviving this much-feared complication were "poor."
"It's as bad a case of laminitis as you can have," said Richardson, who said a hoof-wall re-section has been necessitated by the fact only 20% of his hoof wall is connected to the coffin bone.
The disclosure was made during an 11 a.m. news conference Thursday morning at New Bolton in Kennett Square, Pa.
More details will follow. Read More About Laminitis (http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleindex/article.asp?id=33703)

[Sneekers]

This is not good news. It really brings tears to my eyes....

Valentine and I are sending prayers, positive thoughts and lots of jingles (as we have been all along) to Barbaro, the vets, the owners, Michael Matz. No matter how sad it is, think positive.....

I'm wishing for whatever outcome is best for Barbaro.

~Sneekers~

[imissvixen]

I thought he was going to break down as well particularly the way he rushed out of there after making that statement. I read on the Dartmouth College website about how he came to be an equine vet. He had exhausted his options for PE classes while a student at Dartmouth so he decided to take the Equestrian class. Apparently he fell in love with horses and riding immediately, spent the rest of his time at Dartmouth helping take care of horses, and decided to be a vet.

I am not privvy to any more information than what we have heard here. That said, I think that he and the Jacksons and Micheal Matz have not yet made a decision that I wouldn't have made (if I could afford it) and they are certainly basing the decision on whether or not to continue exactly as I would. God will let them know if Barbaro can't go on. Barbaro is very fortunate to have this team of people supporting him.

I am hoping that this is his true test and he will pass it like every other one he has faced.

[War Admiral]

I think the one thing that as horse lovers and Barbaro fans we all need to be grateful for at this point is that, as this goes on, it becomes more and more obvious that Barbaro is in the very best hands he could possibly be in. His owners, trainers and the vet staff CLEARLY have the horse's best interest at heart. And since he's in a top-notch clinical situation, they have so many more options available to them for treatment and comfort than many of us have been able to manage for our beloved beasties.

Dr. Richardson said Barbaro is still nickering when you walk in, still wants his food, is maintaining his weight. These are all GOOD signs. We just have to keep praying and jingling.

[VirginiaBred]

Again, From Tim at NBC:

Update 220: The focus of the press conference was the new, significant problem of laminitis in the left hind foot. No doubt this will be widely covered by all the media. Barbaro's current state is extremely serious however, he does remain comfortable. They will continue to work around the clock to try to overcome this setback as long as he remains comfortable. One issue that Dr. Richardson emphasized was that the Jacksons will not tolerate any discomfort for Barbaro. More to come later.
Updated Thursday 11:30am
Update 219: Jeannine Edwards will be broadcasting directly after the conference on ESPN 2 on a show that I think is called "Cold Pizza." She'll also be on ESPN news after that (not sure what time) and then SportsCenter at 6pm tonight. I would estimate about 70-80 people (writers, TV people etc etc) here at the conference awaiting Dr. Dean Richardson. Should be very soon.

[eggbutt]

We dealt with laminitis/founder for years with one very, very special horse. He developed it in all four feet after a high fever virus , coffin bone rotated in 3 feet and and recovered somewhat after a year of treatment. It is incredibly painful - described to us as if we were wearing shoes 4 sizes too small and standing all day. Eventually when he began his fourth bout in one foot after being as sound as he could be for a year, we made the decision to put him down. He wasn't ready and hadn't remotely told us it was time, but we didn't want him to go thorugh anymore. I mourn his loss every single day.

I truly believe everyone will do the right thing for Barbaro and listen to him throughout this ordeal.

I am just sick with sadness. I will jingle for YoYo to speak with Bobby from across the bridge and encourage him to keep on keepin on.

[tullio]

i am afraid to really read the updates because I'm at work.

The hardest thing to me is that Barbaro could so easily be any of our horses - maybe not in the fact that he won the Derby (among other things!)... but how many of us have known and loved a bay gelding with a big personality? A Thoroughbred of any color, size, or shape, who reminds us that we are only borrowing their strength and grace? A horse of any description who amazes us with their character and humanity?

Maybe if we can send all the love we feel and cherish for all our personal Barbaros toward the big guy, it will help him fight a little harder. Jingling like crazy, for sure - for Bobby and everyone that loves him.

[Shay Darra]

I just missed the press conference on line. Is there any way to see it again, or was the live coverage the only option?

Thanks,

SD

[War Admiral]

NBC 10 has an update:

http://www.nbc10.com/index.html

[solargal]

Update from ESPN:

75% of his left foot has been removed and he is on intensive pain management.

[canyonoak]

Well, this is the time for tough decisions all right.

I hope they give the colt enough time and non-intervention to see if he can recover from this major major setback.

[War Admiral]

NBC 10's story just goes to show how "off" the media reporting can be despite their best efforts: it focuses on the probs in the RH pastern, rather than the severe laminitis in the LH. As horse people all know, it's the word "laminitis" and the fact that 80% of the hoof was resectioned that really strike fear into the heart. :(

It's great to know he has sling support, which I've not seen reported yet - but Dr. R. said so in the press conference.

[Gunnar]

Thanks for the link and the updates. It is so sad. :sadsmile:

Come on Bobby give us your best try! We are all jingling for you!:sadsmile:

[nelson]

Jingling like mad for Bobby and for Michael Matz, Dr. Richardson, the Jacksons and the rest of his connections. The biggest consolation I can think of is the fact that this horse clearly has people that have his best interests at heart. No matter what happens, I am confident that they will do what is best for him.

[Procella]

If the re-section means what I think, which is 75-80% of his good hoof wall has been removed, how is it that he is able to support himself to stand at all? Would that mean that he is basically resting most of his hind weight on his left coffin bone without the support of the hoof wall?

[Duffy]

I'm sitting at my desk in tears, blowing my nose. Come on, Bobby!!!!

JINGLING LIKE MAD!!!!

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

Sending the most heart-felt jingles I can to Barbaro. This is sad, and scarey! I pray that he can pull through. He has been such an inspiration!

[Seal Harbor]

If the re-section means what I think, which is 75-80% of his good hoof wall has been removed, how is it that he is able to support himself to stand at all? Would that mean that he is basically resting most of his hind weight on his left coffin bone without the support of the hoof wall?

that foot is cast as well. Although it's not the same as a hoof wall it helps.

I'm just gutted over this. :(

[Boston Chicken]

Devestating. Trying to be positive, but it may also be time to be realistic :cry:

[sporthorsefilly]

i am afraid to really read the updates because I'm at work.

The hardest thing to me is that Barbaro could so easily be any of our horses - maybe not in the fact that he won the Derby (among other things!)... but how many of us have known and loved a bay gelding with a big personality? A Thoroughbred of any color, size, or shape, who reminds us that we are only borrowing their strength and grace? A horse of any description who amazes us with their character and humanity?

Maybe if we can send all the love we feel and cherish for all our personal Barbaros toward the big guy, it will help him fight a little harder. Jingling like crazy, for sure - for Bobby and everyone that loves him.

Well said! It's true, their strength and grace are a gift from God, lets hope he gives Bobby the spirit and fight to stay here with us.

[War Admiral]

If the re-section means what I think, which is 75-80% of his good hoof wall has been removed, how is it that he is able to support himself to stand at all? Would that mean that he is basically resting most of his hind weight on his left coffin bone without the support of the hoof wall?

Per Dr. R. in the press conference, he is now in a foot cast on the RH in addition to the cast on the LH. Moreover, they are providing him additional support with a sling. Dr. R. tried to make it as clear as he could that B. is not RELYING on the sling and is not "just dangling there" - the sling is there to provide him some additional support if he needs it. He can still move around, lie down, and so on. You are correct as to what hoof resectioning means. :( Except that the 80% of the hoof wall on the "good" hoof that was removed was no longer connected to the coffin bone. In other words, they got rid of the dead outer wall. :(

[DMK]

Updated article from the bloodhorse:

Laminitis Strikes Barbaro; Survival Chances Called 'Poor'

Classic winner Barbaro has developed "acute, severe" laminitis (http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleindex/article.asp?id=33703) in his uninjured left, hind foot, and his prognosis for recovery is "poor," according to Dr. Dean Richardson, chief of surgery at the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center in Kennett Square, Pa.

Speaking at a press conference Thursday morning, Dr. Richardson stated that Barbaro's laminitis is "as bad a case as you can get." In a resection procedure done a few nights earlier, a large portion of Barbaro's hoof wall was removed, and just 20% of the wall is still attached to the coffin bone, according to Richardson. His left hind leg is in a foam cast presently as they try to re-grow the hoof wall.

Barbaro suffered major complications a week ago and has undergone three surgical procedures during that time. Last Saturday, Dr. Richardson replaced the titanium plate and 27 screws and treated two infections--one in the injured right hind leg and a small abscess on the sole of his left hind hoof. Barbaro shattered his right hind leg at the beginning of the May 20 Preakness Stakes (gr. I), and underwent surgery the following day at New Bolton.

Dr. Richardson said the Thursday press conference was called because of the great concern, speculation, and interest in Barbaro. He dismissed rumors of impending euthanasia, but added that the horse's prognosis had been diminished.

According to Richardson, Barbaro has stability in his right rear leg, and that injury is under "reasonable control. But the big problem is a catastrophic case of laminitis in his left hind. With laminitis, the connection between the bone and hoof separates, and that can be excruciatingly painful, like re-growing a nail in humans after it's been pulled out. Horses do recover from this but it's a longshot. I'm not going to sugarcoat the situation. It is a poor percentage for horses to recover, but as long as he's not suffering we will continue to try."

Richardson said recovery, if it occurs, would take many months. For now, Barbaro appears comfortable enough. "He nickers, he's eating well, he has excellent G.I. function, his temperature is normal, his heart rate is good, and he is capable of walking around his stall," said Dr. Richardson. "His owners, Roy and Gretchen Jackson, and his trainer, Michael Matz, visit him daily, and the Jacksons' absolute concern--their only concern--is for the comfort of the horse on a daily basis. We will go on as long as the horse acts normally."

Barbaro is in a sling for portions of each day to aid in his mobility. He is also undergoing what Richardson termed "an aggressive pain management regimen."

[pawsplus]

If the re-section means what I think, which is 75-80% of his good hoof wall has been removed, how is it that he is able to support himself to stand at all? Would that mean that he is basically resting most of his hind weight on his left coffin bone without the support of the hoof wall?

This is just WRONG. I can't read these things anymore. I'm glad they tried, but this is taking it way too far. They need to let him go now. :(

[chaotic mind]

been checking the sites, can't get the video on NBC10 to play but MSNBC and ESPN both say 20% of the hoof was removed here it's posted that 20% left anyone able to get to the video and see which it is?

[luveventing]

I was pretty sure they said 20% LEFT....unfortunately. wish it was the other way around. :(

[Evalee Hunter]

I feel sad saying this as we have used New Bolton, both field service and in hospital, for our horses until recently (over a period of about 14 years, about 20 - 25 different horses): New Bolton is, unfortunately, NOT the best at treating laminitis, as we have learned by sad, hard, personal experience. Our filly has required 6 months (so far) of hospitalization at another hospital in order to have a chance of survival. She is living at Serenity Equine in Virginia, after New Bolton's only option was "put her down". I wish, at the first sign of laminitis, they had consulted with some of the experts in this field. (Hopefully, they did, although I have my doubts). I am very sad for Barbaro & I am sending him the strongest healing thoughts I can muster.

[eggbutt]

from www.msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.com) - this is distressing....hope the reporter misquoted since I didn't see the news conference:

“I’d be lying if I said anything other than poor,” Richardson said Thursday at a news conference at the University of Pennsylvania’s New Bolton Center. “As long as the horse is not suffering, we’re going to continue to try (to save him).“If we can keep him comfortable, we think it’s worth the effort.”
If not, Barbaro could be euthanized at any time. Richardson said if Barbaro does not respond quickly to treatment, “It could happen within 24 hours.”

[barney4liz]

I'm with you Paws. On top of everything else this horse has endured -- it's too much.

Jingling for no more pain for Barbaro. :cry:

[Joanne]

I watched the interview as it was being broadcast. He did say 80% of the hoof was resected. He also said that they had gotten plenty of unsolicted advice about how to treat Barbaro and they had consulted experts in the field (of treatment laminitis).

I think somone posted a few pages back that there is going to be a re-broadcast of the interview later today maybe with some additional information????

[VirginiaBred]

eggbutt, Dr. Richardson did say, “I’d be lying if I said anything other than poor,”

I am waiting for Tim's update and will post it just as soon as I can.

[All points]

Eggbutt, That is indeed what was said. The reporter is not mistaken. Its so sad, still jingling for Barbaro, but it seems like his body is betraying his mind.

[VirginiaBred]

I think somone posted a few pages back that there is going to be a re-broadcast of the interview later today maybe with some additional information????




Yes, at 1pm on ESPN News.

[NMK]

The transcript posted said he'd lost 20%...that's a lot more optimistic than 80% although none of this news is good. It's so sad how fragile these big trusting creatures really are. Jingles to you big horse.

Nancy

[monday]

Nothing constructive to add, I am just so sad and feel the need to join in the good thoughts and prayers for Barbaro. These horses give us so much, and we are just lucky to be a part of them.

Jingles and prayers.

[DMK]

I was pretty sure they said 20% LEFT....unfortunately. wish it was the other way around. :(

Here's the latest update on ESPN, let's hope it is correct on the 20%...

KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. -- Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro has developed a severe case of laminitis, a potentially fatal disease brought on by uneven weight distribution in the limbs, and his veterinarian called his chances of survival "a long shot."

Dean Richardson, the chief surgeon who has been treating Barbaro since the colt suffered catastrophic injuries in the Preakness on May 20, said the Derby winner's chances of survival are poor.


"I'd be lying if I said anything other than poor," Richardson said Thursday at a news conference at the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center. "As long as the horse is not suffering, we're going to continue to try [to save him].


"If we can keep him comfortable, we think it's worth the effort."


If not, Barbaro could be euthanized at any time. Richardson said if Barbaro does not respond quickly to treatment, "It could happen within 24 hours."
Richardson said the laminitis nearly has destroyed the colt's hoof on his uninjured left hind leg. Laminitis, a painful condition, developed in the past few days. The disease turned more serious in the past day.


"The left hind is basically as bad laminitis as you can have," Richardson said, adding that horses have recovered from laminitis. He said he has discussed the situation closely with owners Roy and Gretchen Jackson.
Richardson said Barbaro's injured right hind leg -- the one that shattered at the start of the Preakness -- is healing well, but because a horse has to be evenly balanced, laminitis set in on the other foot.


"We removed a large portion of his (left) foot wall, probably 20 percent of it," Richardson said. "He's in a foot cast with foam padding and antiseptic dressing. We'll see if can regrow his hoof. It will take months and months."


The grim update came after nearly six weeks of a smooth recovery. Barbaro had hours of surgery on May 21 to insert a titanium plate and 27 screws into three broken bones and the pastern joint, and has had two other operations in recent days.


"I really thought we were going to make it two weeks ago," Richardson said. "Today I'm not as confident."

[ElonGrad1997]

20% left according to the Dr in the press conference I'm listening to. :cry: :no:

[pawsplus]

An interesting side-comment -- anyone remember this?
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/0605/110.shtml

Intended to "prevent" laminitis? Several folks on the UDBB commented that it was more likely to CAUSE it, and here we are. <sigh>

[luveventing]

I am happy to be wrong on this one.... :)

[alysheba]

As long as he is not in extreem pain, I think they should keep fighting. I wouldn't want someone giving up on me.

[pawsplus]

As long as he is not in extreem pain, I think they should keep fighting. I wouldn't want someone giving up on me.

He's not in extreme pain b/c he's hopped up on painkillers. Which, combined w/ no movement and probably less intake of forage, will lead to ulcers or colic.

You wouldn't want someone giving up on you b/c you would understand the situation and be able to make a decision for yourself, having weighed the pros and the cons re: your Q of L. He can't. That is the job of the humans caring for him, and IMHO they are doing a crap job of it.

[rebecca yount]

the News Conference. Dr. Richardson said 80% of the hoof wall was removed. That leaves 20%, so the agencies reporting it the other way around have it wrong.

[FourWands]

Speaking at a press conference Thursday morning, Dr. Richardson stated that Barbaro's laminitis is "as bad a case as you can get." In a resection procedure done Wednesday, a large portion of Barbaro's hoof wall was removed, and just 20% of the wall is still attached to the coffin bone, according to Richardson. His left hind leg is in a foam cast presently as they try to re-grow the hoof wall.

Large portion removed... 20% still attached.
From:
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=34393

I fear Barbaro is not long for this world. I jingle on though...

[War Admiral]

Yep, 80% removed. ESPN simply has it wrong (not for the first time).

I disagree with Paws. They are in such a great position to keep the horse pain-free and give him his best shot at recovery. Watching the press conference I have NO impression that this horse's care has been or will be anything but first-class. I have total faith that the owners and vets will know when it's time to give up.

So keep jingling everybody!

[Betcj]

Barbaro is a fighter. Let's pray he can come through this.
JINGLES!!

I had a mare that foundered. We used a product called Lamina Saver. It helped her foot heal. I'ts availalbe in Vet catalogs.

Virginia Bred, please pass this along along with love and admiration for all the professionals working on this case.

[Boston Chicken]

I'm sure the Jackson's will do right by this horse. He will not suffer.

[VirginiaBred]

Thank you Tim:

Update 221: OK, just returned from the Press Conference. I waited to watch Jeannine Edwards do her ESPN 2 broadcast. You can see the conference at CBS3 (http://cbs3.com/video/?id=28330@kyw.dayport.com). A couple of links to reports: Barbaro has life-threatening inflammation in hind foot (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=2517953) and Doctors Say Barbaro Has Catastrophic Injury (http://www.nbc10.com/news/9504237/detail.html). And here is Laminitis in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminitis). A few observations of my own:
Dr. Dean Richardson is a class act. I was thoroughly impressed with his forthright discussion on Bobby's condition. He was clearly open, understanding of the media, and obviously upset with current circumstances. He and his team have worked incredibly hard, and this must be very tough for all of them at an emotional level.
Bobby is now a long shot to recover, but while there are still chances of recovery, and he is comfortable, they will keep trying. No one is yet giving up.
2 weeks ago Dr. Richardson really thought Bobby was going to make it.
Bobby now has a foot cast on the left hind, he also uses a sling from time to time. This sling is designed to help Bobby, it still allows him free movement.
The laminitis is catastrophic, and the onset of laminitis was very rapid.
Bobby looks good, he is eating well. He has a strong constitution.
The media asked good questions and were very respective of the situation (I was impressed).

[caffeinated]

That is the job of the humans caring for him, and IMHO they are doing a crap job of it.

Though part of me is in agreement, we have to remember- none of us are there. None of us know the horse personally. None of us can see directly whether or not he seems uncomfortable or in agony. None of us are looking into his eyes or checking his vital signs.

This is one of those things I can't bring myself to armchair quarterback. I think this horse has been given every consideration and every chance, and I don't believe that the fine people surrounding him are doing a crap job.

Everybody will have a different opinion, but I think the people who know him best and see him and can tell how he's doing from more than a news story are the ones we have to trust with this. If he seems content, is happy to see people, and isn't in agony, who am I to say they're doing the wrong thing?

[BoyleHeightsKid]

I know they won't give up on him and I know that they have his best interest at heart. They will do what is best, but I know if they have to put him down, it will be a very very sad day for me.

[draftgirl01]

Posted on AP 2 hours ago....

KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. - Doctors treating Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro say he's developed a life-threatening inflammation in his left-hind foot. They say it's as bad a case of laminitis as a horse can get.

The inflammation was among the worst of the complications that veterinarians feared could happen, as they treated the horse for his severe injuries to his right-hind leg from the Preakness Stakes.

Doctor Dean Richardson says the horse's chances of recovering are "poor." But he says as long as Barbaro isn't suffering, efforts to save his life will continue.

[partita]

That poor horse. I can understand having tried to save him for breeding. But at what point does the horse become a science/research experiment? I only hope he is so doped up that he doesn't feel anything.

[luveventing]

wow- I think that is a BIT harsh to say they are doing a "crap" job. Its not your choice or your horse, so I think its not really fair to judge them. you arent there, you dont see the horse everyday- its very easy to critisize when you are outside of the situation.

OK guys!!!!! understand I was referrrnig to Pawsplus post on the previous page!!

[Rider in Training]

Though part of me is in agreement, we have to remember- none of us are there. None of us know the horse personally. None of us can see directly whether or not he seems uncomfortable or in agony. None of us are looking into his eyes or checking his vital signs.

This is one of those things I can't bring myself to armchair quarterback. I think this horse has been given every consideration and every chance, and I don't believe that the fine people surrounding him are doing a crap job.

Everybody will have a different opinion, but I think the people who know him best and see him and can tell how he's doing from more than a news story are the ones we have to trust with this. If he seems content, is happy to see people, and isn't in agony, who am I to say they're doing the wrong thing?

I totally agree, let the people who see Barbaro every day and who care and probably love him more than anyone else make the decision of what is best for him. They are the one who do know- there is no right or wrong decision- no-one should judge them

[chawley]

[QUOTE=caffeinated]
This is one of those things I can't bring myself to armchair quarterback. QUOTE]

I agree with caffeinated too. I've been in the racing and show world my entire life, and while I've seen some horrible, hopeless situations, I'm glad they tried. I was at Pimlico the day he broke down, and I will never forget the look on his face as the ambulance went by on the way back to the barn. It was surreal.....not a look of panic, but rather one of 'please help me.' I know that sounds nuts, but I sat there in complete shock watching him. I will never forget it. I pray so hard that he'll make it, and that his connections and doctors will have the where-with-all to do what is right by him. God bless them all. VirginiaBred - thank you so much for your updates - they are greatly appreciated.

[alysheba]

wow- I think that is a BIT harsh to say they are doing a "crap" job. Its not your choice or your horse, so I think its not really fair to judge them. you arent there, you dont see the horse everyday- its very easy to critisize when you are outside of the situation.

I can't imagine how putting a horse's leg, broke in 20 places back together, is doing a "crap job". i call that a miracle.

I really don't know anyway they could have done it better.

[moonriverfarm]

One could not watch the press conference and look at Dean Richardson's face, and not think that he is doing the very best he can for Barbaro, and his heart is breaking. So to say they are doing a "crap job" is just plain wrong. They want to save him not for any other reason but they have come to love the horse and his fighting spirit, and what vet could just give up on that? If they do have to put him down, I bet DR will shed the most tears. He has tried so hard to perfrom the miracle we all hope for.

[alysheba]

Anyone have a ballpark of where the vet bill is at? And is insurance covering any it?

[LouLove]

I agree with Caffeinated as well.

I watched the press conference and Dean looks absolutely exhausted. He was very emotional and is obviously having a very difficult time with this situation. A person that is this emotional about an animal that is not his own really moves me. Obviously the surgery was a success, and this catasprophe was originally forecasted by him. He spoke of the special spirit of this horse and the fact that as soon as he was suffering he would be put down.

Hoof resections are not uncommon. I know of 2 horses who had them for White Line disease. So, yes, it sounds extreme, but at the same time, they are doing what they can to save him.

When I watched this vet talk, I knew that he would keep trying, but would also advise he be put down when it was tBarbaro's time. We all know what our horses' time would be. Let's give his owners the faith to make this decision as well. Shame on all of you sitting on your perch condemning those who are trying their best. Grab a slice of reality and eat it slowly so that it sinks in....

[QHJockee]

I'm glad/impressed/amazed he made it this far. 99.99% of other horses in this predicament would have been put down on the track that day. Barbaro has been allowed to amaze the world and defy any doubt thus far. We can only hope and pray he has it in him to overcome the odds again.

[vineyridge]

The only armchair quarterbacking I will do, because this complication is devastating and somewhat expected, is to ask why they didn't put Bobby in a pool to get the weight off his hind legs. Water is the only thing on earth that I know that will defy gravity for something immersed in enough of it. Surely water would have avoided the laminitis.

I love this horse, and the situation is truly grim. :( :cry:

[luveventing]

hope you all realize I was referring to Pawsplus post...

"He's not in extreme pain b/c he's hopped up on painkillers. Which, combined w/ no movement and probably less intake of forage, will lead to ulcers or colic.

You wouldn't want someone giving up on you b/c you would understand the situation and be able to make a decision for yourself, having weighed the pros and the cons re: your Q of L. He can't. That is the job of the humans caring for him, and IMHO they are doing a crap job of it."


I was also saying that I dont think anyone is doing a crap job of anything. I am a 100% supporter of the people involved as I think they are truly working their butts of and taking a LOT of heat for their decisions, but they are the only ones who have the knowledge of this horse to make them. I agree the most remarkable quality of this horse is his heart- not even his speed or athletic ability. MANY other horses would have destroyed themselves by now. He is taking it all in stride and is obviously not only a very well trained horse with credit to his handlers, but also a very intelligent animal.

[RodeoQueen]

Continued thanks for your updates, VB. They are so very much appreciated. I continue to keep Barbaro in my prayers, and to continue to ask for wisdom and strength for his medical team and family. This is undoubtedly a hearbreaking time for those who love this colt and all of the experts who work 'round the clock to care for him.

It is not a time for passing harsh judgement, so let us continue to offer wishes and peace to those in Barbaro's inner circle. This BB is so good at support. Let's continue to jingle and jingle for Barbaro and his family and give thanks for all that we have.

[luveventing]

nevermind........

[AHC]

Once I finally realized all I had to do was turn up the volume on my computer speakers, I watched and listened and was very impressed by Dr. Richardson.

He made it clear that he/they did consult with laminitis experts about how to approach this new problem. I don't think he's afraid to talk to his colleagues at other universities or in private practice to help try to do what's right for this horse every step of the way.

As far as insurance, there's no way any insurance policy covers all of this. The Jackson's have in the past spent large amounts of money when their horses are sick or injured and that's most likely what they are doing now. Using insurance for what is covered and then paying for the rest themselves.

The Jacksons and Michael Matz have visited this horse every day. I for one feel confident that they and Dr. Richardson are doing and will continue to do what's right for Barbaro.

Hoping he makes it through this!

[caffeinated]

I ran across this on another board, posted by a vet student:

"I have info that may or may not be beneficial to Barbaro and this point - but it is something that I feel Dr. Richardson and the others caring for him should at least be aware of. I know of a vet who literally performed miracles with a horse I used to know ... who suffered from chronic laminitis for over a year! She is alive and well today thanks to this vet. Obviously I have know way of knowing how similar her case was to Barbaro since we know very little as far as details go - but it is still something I feel those caring for him have a right to explore (if they already haven't done so)! It has to do with a hyperbaric chamber..."

I assume that the people at New Bolton have gotten tons of advice, theories, etc, especially since they are consulting with laminitis experts, but I'm wondering if this one's come up?

Also just curious if anyone has heard of this sort of treatment for laminitis before?

[Lord Helpus]

There is no way we can second guess these fine people who are taking care of Barbaro. Nor should we. To think that you or I have the right or the knowledge to know what is best for him is just plain silly.

Many years ago I had a horse with a broken leg. The break was a clean one and the vet thought that surgery was a viable option. A cast was put on and we were trying to stabilize him so we could get him to UC Davis for surgery; it was obvious the horse was in excrutiating pain.

He "folded up" in the middle -front legs back and hind legs forward to try to center his weight in the middle of his body. His major muscle groups were twitching from this effort and he was sweating profusely. His eyes were dull and he was not reacting to his surroundings.

This was despite all of the pain killers that the vet dared to IV into him. The vet gave him one hour to see if the pain killers would alleviate his pain enough to allow him to make the trip -- When the horse' pain did not lessen significantly, he was humanely euthanized.

My reason for repeating this horrible story is to impress upon people what a horse in true pain looks like. I sat there for 60 minutes and, internally, screamed and prayed for this horse to come around so he could make the 90 minute trip -- surgeons were standing by to operate. But it was not to be.

In comparison, Dr. Richardson says that Barbaro is eating and drinking and walking around. He is aware of his surroundings and seems to be a happy, normal horse at this point.

He is NOT ready to be euthanized. He may hurt -- so does any lame horse. But to say he is in such pain that he should no longer live is overstating the case.

I choose to believe Dr. Richardson and Barbaro's connections. They will do right by him. Dr. Richardson is my hero.

In the meantime I am praying through my tears for him, as I know we all are.

[debsinsb]

Thanks again to VB for your updates.

Continuing jingles for Barbaro and his extended family.

[Tiramit]

A crap job? Wow, that's a completely different perspective from mine.

Everyone involved has gone to extreme lengths to help this horse. He was there for them in May, now they are moving mountains for him. Animals have an uncanny knack for letting people know when it's their time to leave us. If Barbaro is nickering and eating well, he's still in the game. He's still fighting! And if he's fighting, there is a chance he can pull through. It's refreshing to find owners who have said cost be damned, let's help our horse and give him that chance.

Now he just needs to hang in there and let the meds and nature help him. C'mon Barbaro, beat the odds!!

[farmgirl88]

He's not in extreme pain b/c he's hopped up on painkillers. Which, combined w/ no movement and probably less intake of forage, will lead to ulcers or colic.

You wouldn't want someone giving up on you b/c you would understand the situation and be able to make a decision for yourself, having weighed the pros and the cons re: your Q of L. He can't. That is the job of the humans caring for him, and IMHO they are doing a crap job of it.


So pawsplus...

Are you saying they should just give up and put him down? I think THAT would be doing a crap job, if anything. This horse has given so much heart in anything and everything he has put himself up to. He has given the American Public so much to hope and dream for. If Barbaro is eating, walking around with his head still held high and his ears pricked, he is doing JUST fine. Granted there is pain in any injury as severe as his, but thats part of it. The Jackson's, Michael Matz, and DR Richardson would never put Barbaro's happiness and welfare at risk. I know they woldn't. Most people wouldn't even have given this horse the chance that he has. Its like your saying that if someone has cancer, they should just not take all precautions, should not do everything they can to save this persons life. What if your in a car accident and near dead...are you saying they should just let you die because your that close already? OR...at least give you the best shot at making it that they can. The horse is doing fine in the happiness department, He's eating and he has no temperature, and he's walking around his stall. Minimal movement at this point in time is the best thing for him. My pony was very sick due to ulcers a few years ago, not even TUFTS university could figure out that he had them...yes i know it was kind of sad. The pony would not eat, would not drink, and you could telll immediately by looking at his face and his expression that he was not happy anymore, he was depressed and hurting. If Barbaro is up, perky, walking, passing manure, no temp....i say we do all we can for this horse. He's made it this far...and as long as he is happy...give him a chance

[Rye]

http://cbs3.com/video/?id=28330 There are three there, choose the Web Extra one.

[charlieo]

Dean Richardson is the best there is on the surgical side. He cares about his patients. Neither he nor the Jacksons will let Barbaro suffer needless pain. All we can do now is pray, trust the horse to let us know if he wants to go, and trust his humans to follow his wishes. Laminitis was the most feared complication all along. I have seen horses with resections who are alive today. Ultimately it will depend on Bobby's will to live. Kathy Anderson saw him yesterday and said he was comfortable. That's the most we can hope for now -- that and Bobby's tremendous will to live.

[DMK]

He's not in extreme pain b/c he's hopped up on painkillers. Which, combined w/ no movement and probably less intake of forage, will lead to ulcers or colic.

You wouldn't want someone giving up on you b/c you would understand the situation and be able to make a decision for yourself, having weighed the pros and the cons re: your Q of L. He can't. That is the job of the humans caring for him, and IMHO they are doing a crap job of it.

I can only assume you didn't listen to Dr. Richardson or maybe your TV cut out at all the important moments?

I suspect they are a wee bit more sophisticated about pain management than sticking the NSAIDs to him and just accidently forgetting the gastroguard. I know the cox II inhibitors are not associated with gastric distress to the same extent, and I don't believe opiates cause GI issues like NSAIDS.

And since the vet specifically said he can
a) get up and down,
b) walk around his stall,
c) does not have an elevated heart rate,
d) an excellent appetite,
e) is alert and appears comfortable, and
f) is not "reliant" on the sling when he is in it

I'd have to say that as of this moment the pain management is effective and not adverse to his health. Oh yea, and probably doesn't fit the definition of a "crap job of it" except in some alternate universe where horses don't have laminae.

Dr. Richardson could not have been clearer that Managing Pain Succesfully is their benchmark for his continued treatment.

[War Admiral]

DMK, as usual, I salute you for your cogent redux!! :yes:

[alysheba]

He's not in extreme pain b/c he's hopped up on painkillers. Which, combined w/ no movement and probably less intake of forage, will lead to ulcers or colic.

You wouldn't want someone giving up on you b/c you would understand the situation and be able to make a decision for yourself, having weighed the pros and the cons re: your Q of L. He can't. That is the job of the humans caring for him, and IMHO they are doing a crap job of it.


Most of the pain meds are being administered via IV. They aren't jamming Percoset down his throat.

And I think perked ears, clear eyes and nickers are a sign that he wants to live.

[pawsplus]

I watched the press conference and Dean looks absolutely exhausted. He was very emotional and is obviously having a very difficult time with this situation. A person that is this emotional about an animal that is not his own really moves me. Obviously the surgery was a success, and this catasprophe was originally forecasted by him. He spoke of the special spirit of this horse and the fact that as soon as he was suffering he would be put down.

To clarify: I was not saying that there was anything wrong w/ the actual treatment of the injury. Not so sure about the special shoe on the LH, but not really going there. My POINT was, in response to the person who said they wouldn't want someone giving up if it were them, that the people in charge here need to face reality and stop putting him through a science experiment.

ERGO: I am saying that the humans in charge are doing a "crap job" of making life and death decisions, NOT of caring for him per se. That was the point of the post, if you go back and look. <where is the rolly eyes emoticon???>

Hoof resections are not uncommon. I know of 2 horses who had them for White Line disease. So, yes, it sounds extreme, but at the same time, they are doing what they can to save him.

True, they are not uncommon. We'll leave aside my opinion of them in general, and simply address the fact that in this case, it is not ONLY a hoof resection of an alarming % of the hoof, but ALSO the almost complete rebuilding of the OTHER hind leg. Come on. Be realistic!

I'm as upset as the next person. I lived through the Ruffian thing, which many of you were too young to be around for, and it was traumatizing. However, there are thousands of TBs every year who break down thanks to the racing industry and most don't receive 1/100 of the care Barbaro has received. That doesn't make him unworthy of this level of care, but it does bear thinking about, no?

[luveventing]

I think that must be the most difficult aspect to dr. richardson, michael matz and the jacksons- to see how much trouble poor barbaro's body is having and then to have to look into his bright eyes, see his perked ears and have him nicker to them. just about breaks my heart just thinking about it. but there are horses that just tolerate more than others would and this guy is just not giving in just yet. I KNOW they will know if its time. I completely have faith. they are VERY in tune to this horse. lets hope that regardless of the outcome this DOES effect the treatment and care of other TBs that breakdown. but honestly, a lot of it comes down to the ability to PAY for this sort of treatment. I know MANY of us would do this for our horses.....if we COULD. if nothing else, its refreshing to have the public see a compassionate and caring side of racing since the perception is commonly that horses are nothing but a dollar sign to the racing industry. at least barbaros story shows that isnt always the case.

[SBT]

Jingles and prayers for Barbaro and everyone who is caring for him! :(

I lost my mare to systemic laminitis (Cushing's-induced). The massive inflammation in her feet would settle into an abscess that undermined the entire sole. Each time it happened, I spent a nail-biting 2-3 weeks wrapping, medicating, and praying for new sole growth and no recurrences. Pergolide controlled these episodes for over a year, but then they came back: LF and LH (rare!) both at the same time.

It was a crossroads of sorts; I knew my options, but I also knew my horse. She hadn't been herself for a few weeks prior to the double-abscess/founder, and afterwards, even with pain meds, she was still depressed and just seemed TIRED of it all...she was just existing. Even if I had gotten that outbreak under control, it was likely to re-occur...along with a myriad of other painful, life-threatening side-effects of Cushing's (she nearly froze to death the previous winter, when she lost the ability to thermoregulate). My horse's future held nothing but the promise of more pain and suffering. So I talked to my vet, and he agreed with the decision to end her suffering.

I know there are people who would have done more. I had a "natural healer" friend tell me about all the things I *should* have tried first. (She is no longer my friend. :no: ) I also know there are people who would have done LESS. I had a fellow boarder, a "cowboy" type, tell me how amazed he was at the effort and money I put into a terminally-ill horse I couldn't ride. To both of these people, I explained that I just tried to do what was best for HER, knowing her as well as I did. Another horse in the same situation might have needed a different approach entirely. They are individuals; you can't treat them all the same. What is right for one can be wrong for another.

It seems to me that Barbaro's connections share this philosophy, and will let HIM determine the course of treatment. :yes: IMO, they are absolutely doing the right thing for him and will continue to do so, whatever it might entail.

They have my utmost respect and my best wishes.

[Kenike]

Good grief, paws...I don't think anyone can display a more bitter disposition about this! I, personally, think the completely negative attitude shouldn't be shared without actually being there to see the horse yourself.
I honestly believe if Bobby were so uncomfortable that he couldn't stand it then someone would say something. Not only that, but no amount of medication can mask it so well as to encourage ANY animal to just put on a good display of attitude and appetite. Not even in humans does it work that way. If he was truly "hopped up" and serving only as a science experiment, he'd be dopey and depressed with very little to zero appetite.
I'll keep my prayers for him and all the people involved, as well as keeping my faith all that can be done is....if it becomes a moot point, then they'll stop and we'll all mourn with the Jackson's, Matz's, staff at Fair Hill, and staff at NB.

[horselovr121]

I think Dr. Richardson and everyone at New Bolton have done a WONDERFUL job of taking care of Barbaro thus far. That said, I also think it might be time to let him go. It's not fair to keep him alive and suffering just to see if they can save him. Even if they do save him, which is a pretty big IF at this point, you have to wonder what kind of quality of life he'll have. He was meant to run like the wind, not to limp around a stall for the next 20 years. I wouldn't want any horse of mine to go through half of what Barbaro has. Wouldn't y'all rather say goodbye to him now, while he still seems a little bit happy, than wait until he's even more depressed and unable to stand up?

[dressage72]

Dr. Dean Richardson did my two year old Oldenburg gelding bilateral OCD arthroscopic hock surgery in September of 05. He was almost 18 months old at the time and I was scared out of my mind. I must have called that man everyday with questions about the surgery/recovery etc. This man puts 110% heart into each and every surgery and recovery and never seemed rushed to get off the phone with my neurotic self. I can tell you from experience after meeting the man that worked on my horse that he is truly driven by the LOVE of the horses. Yes, we are ALL hoping for a miracle. I rountinly have to go to New Bolton because my two year old has a healing tendon and to see that beautiful colts face breaks EVERYBODY down. He is alive, alert, bright happy and in good body condition considering what he is going through. There is no decision to end life when this boy is fighting so hard to stay alive! The decision will be made if his coffin bone rotates and starts to disintegrate......or if this gorgeous young colt gives any impression of giving up and saying that it is time. Neither has happened so lets PLEASE think POSITIVE for this horse.

Sincerely,
Sharon H
Mountain View Farm

[pawsplus]

I think Dr. Richardson and everyone at New Bolton have done a WONDERFUL job of taking care of Barbaro thus far. That said, I also think it might be time to let him go. It's not fair to keep him alive and suffering just to see if they can save him. Even if they do save him, which is a pretty big IF at this point, you have to wonder what kind of quality of life he'll have. He was meant to run like the wind, not to limp around a stall for the next 20 years. I wouldn't want any horse of mine to go through half of what Barbaro has. Wouldn't y'all rather say goodbye to him now, while he still seems a little bit happy, than wait until he's even more depressed and unable to stand up?

This is pretty much my point, too.

[SunnySideUp]

Let this thread remain positive and supportive. :yes: The focus should be on updates of Barbaro and not on what you think the vets should/should not be doing. If you have bickering to do, take it to another thread!

[chaotic mind]

Gee pawslus glad you weren't on my living will there's at least 3 or four times in my life where I was a science experiment and I was no where near as happy as barbaro is reported to be. If you had been in charge I would have been put down over 20 years ago.

As long as the horse has a healthy appetite and is reactive in a positive way to his suroundings, the only suffering we would be aleving, is that of all the people around him who are burning the candles at both ends trying to keep him alive and on the road to a recovery. The stress on them is incredible. I know from the frayed nerves showing here it is pretty hard on us who view from a distance.

aside Mike Matz is showing himself to be a true horseman. Lets face it no way is Barbaro ever going to be back training with Mike yet ever day Mike stops by. That is the difference between a mere trainer and a horseman

[Spoilsport]

This is one of those things I can't bring myself to armchair quarterback. I think this horse has been given every consideration and every chance, and I don't believe that the fine people surrounding him are doing a crap job.

Everybody will have a different opinion, but I think the people who know him best and see him and can tell how he's doing from more than a news story are the ones we have to trust with this. If he seems content, is happy to see people, and isn't in agony, who am I to say they're doing the wrong thing?

I have to repeat this because it's so perfectly said :) ! I admire the vets and owners for making what they consider the best decisions under the circumstances, handling this with a lot of courage and grace. Lets support them and pray for them (if we pray) instead of second-guessing and pointing fingers :mad:

My prayers for this beautiful magnificent horse, and for the people who are caring for him.

[luveventing]

I suspect they are preparing to have to "let him go". You have to be in this situation. After the most recent events, I would bet they will give him a few days to see how he is coping and make a decision then based on how he is doing. If he can stay happy and calm through all of this, he will at least give his body a shot to recoup after such a tramatic couple of days. If he has any other complications, I dont think they are going to have a choice. :( but I think he deserves at least a few days to see how he copes with that most recent events. I think they are totally on top of it and I am SURE having the very conversations with each other that we are having here about what they SHOULD do for him and his quality of life. I do feel confident in dr. richardson, he wont give up until its time, but I dont think he will hesitate if the time does come.

[ElonGrad1997]

I also disagree with the "crap job" comment. If that was the case, the horse would have a dull coat, lackluster eyes, poor appetite and a depressed attitude overall. How is this a crap job? His bloodwork is monitored, his tempature taken. Why give up on any chances while he is living comfortably? If you know horses, you know they will not eat if they are not right. That's the first indicator that something is up.

I applaud the entire Barbaro team. They are not sustaining his life for the public, for breeding, or for science. They are giving him the best chance he's got to live a full and happy life in retirement. If a decision has to be made, I'm confident they will make the right choice...either way.

Hang in there Bobby.

[pawsplus]

Gee pawslus glad you weren't on my living will there's at least 3 or four times in my life where I was a science experiment and I was no where near as happy as barbaro is reported to be. If you had been in charge I would have been put down over 20 years ago.


Oh come on! If most of us had a horse w/ these kinds of injuries, he'd have been put down ages ago, partly b/c neither us (nor our insurance) could afford 1/10 of the charges, and partly b/c we would look at the Q of L and not feel right about it. The mere fact that it is possible doesn't make it right. All horses have is NOW. They don't get pleasure from re-living past glories, nor are they able to rationalize their plight, saying, "Well, I can't run or play or, well, walk much, but at least there's carrots" or whatever. WE can do that; THEY can't.

I was all over this in the beginning and I'm VERY glad they gave it a good try. That was right to do and I hoped it would come out better than it did for Ruffian. But it just hasn't. :(

[eggbutt]

I know from the frayed nerves showing here it is pretty hard on us who view from a distance.

Thank you chaotic mind! Can we stop the hostilities and realize that others have been pointed to this thread/forum for support and to see how wonderful horse people are? Put your negative energy into jingles for all involved in his care and recovery....please.:yes:

[sporthorsefilly]

One only needed to look at Dean Richardson to realize that he is in turmoil and emotional pain. This is the best man for the job, even if this is the toughest problem he has ever had to face. I have faith that this man has put Barbaro's welfare ahead of his own, that he will give every ounce of wisdom both his and other colleagues in this effort to save this horse.

It is always hard to decide when to say enough is enough. God I've been down that road myself. But, you know it and you make the decision. No one wants this horse to suffer, no one wants to lose him either. He is in the best place, with the best physician's and owners. More than that no one can give.

Thanks Virginia Bred for the updates you are going above and beyond, it is genuinely appreciated.

Prayers for Barbaro and everyone involved with this beloved horse.

[Eclectic Horseman]

:no: Makes me wonder what will happen with these difficult euthanasia decisions once cloning is cheaper and more reliable.

After all, in the final analysis it is this horse's genes that they are trying to save.

I don't like to see a horse put down that is still eating and showing interest in his environment, but usually this is at least in part a financial decision. :(

[NMK]

This one is to get updates from VA Breds who has done a magnificent job keeping us up to date. I feel blessed that the fine people involved with this horse are sharing what can only be described as "difficult" situation with the general public in such an open manner. Really, it is their horse and their choice as to his future. None of us have the right to speculate when we are not involved in his daily care and welfare.

Nancy

[Jinx]

cmon B you can do it!!!!!!!!

Heres a prayer that he pulls through --

Thankfully we can all be assured that his best intrest and comfort is at heart....

[Kenike]

That's one of the things with this case: the Jackson's CAN afford to keep going. Lucky horse.
Not only that, but while they said they'd like to keep him for stud, they'll be just as happy letting him live as a horse in a pasture. Part of why I have no problem with this case, so much.

[PinkPonies]

I'm sad everyone is fighting about this. I am praying for Barbaro - I was rooting for him even before the Derby because I've always admired Michael Matz from my hunter/jumper background. I have full confidence in the people caring for him and that they will continue to do the right thing.

I've been giving my off the track thoroughbred extra hugs and kisses for Barbaro!!

[Davignport]

Laminitis is the one word no horse owner ever wants to hear and we all just have to keep jingling and praying for Bobby every day. He is in such good hands that I know everyone will do what is best for him. My heart goes out to all his family with this latest setback. I know that if he needs time, they will give it to him. You can tell by watching Dr. Richardson how much it hurts and how hard he is trying to help him. All of the people at New Bolton truly are angels. Hang in there Bobby, we love you.

[SweatySaddlepad]

Oh my I'm sending my prayers to all involved. Having dealt directly with founder with certainly none of Barbaro's other complications I know the decisions are tough and heartbreaking. I have no doubt they will do what is best as we all know the signs that we need to look for when the need arises to let them go. I am also certain they are looking down the rode for quality of life.............not just "a life" in Barbaro's case..................this is truly sad. No decisions are easy I'm sure.

[nightsong]

None of us have the right to speculate when we are not involved in his daily care and welfare.

Nancy

Really. You don't know enough to say.

[War Admiral]

Jeannine Edwards' detailed post-press-conference report is now online at ESPN, you can view it here (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=2517953).

[BeastieSlave]

Geesh! I came over here looking for an update like I usually do a couple times a day (usually without comment) and find this!

How 'bout you guys take the sniping, comments about care, and handwringing someplace else, and let this go back to being a thread for updates?!

[Shay Darra]

Oh come on! If most of us had a horse w/ these kinds of injuries, he'd have been put down ages ago, partly b/c neither us (nor our insurance) could afford 1/10 of the charges, and partly b/c we would look at the Q of L and not feel right about it. The mere fact that it is possible doesn't make it right. All horses have is NOW. They don't get pleasure from re-living past glories, nor are they able to rationalize their plight, saying, "Well, I can't run or play or, well, walk much, but at least there's carrots" or whatever. WE can do that; THEY can't.

I was all over this in the beginning and I'm VERY glad they gave it a good try. That was right to do and I hoped it would come out better than it did for Ruffian. But it just hasn't. :(

Sorry, Pawsplus - I have to disagree. I haven't the fraction of money and resources available to Barbaro, but I fought for 10 months to keep my guy alive due to complications from splint bone surgery. Subluxated his hock coming out of the anesthesia. Lots of rehab and $$$ (no insurance) then 8 months later he breaks the end of his coffin bone off and develops a massive infection. Whole leg swells, coronary band blows and hoof separates. My vet sends radiographs to her two favorite vets at Texas A&M, who both respond "why in the &%#@ have you not put this horse down". My vet replies "Cuz HE'S not ready to go". I talk to the vet at A&M who tells me that he's not optimistic, but he'll see him if I bring him up. A&M vet sees him for about 5 minutes and says "his guy deserves a chance". And they remove bone chips out his hoof sole and put him on massive antibiotics. The point is - you had to SEE THE HORSE in order to make that determination. We should not be making assumptions about what should happen with Barbaro, because we're not there with him.

Eventually the infection returned with my guy and the bone kept disintegrating and he did have to be put down. But as painful as the very long ordeal was for me, my heart's clear as I know I did everything humanely possible for him. We should be applauding all those everyone involved in the efforts to save this wonderful horse - not second guessing when we're not there to see him and don't have all the facts.

Hang in there Bobby. If any horse can beat the odds - you can. Prayers and jingles from Texas.

[tewhann]

This guy has more fight in him than most. I know that they will try to save him so long as he wants saving.

And it sure likes he still wants to give it a go.

Jingle, jingle, jingle, jingle.

[tradewind]

First a big thank you for the continued updates...I can speak to some of this personally, as I lost a mare to a fracture...Unless you have been there, you dont know how it is...(Paws Plus take notice here)..the agony of the decisions you have to make..the second guessing you do to yourself, as well as all the "well meaning" people who offer you unknowledgeable and unsolicited "opinions"...My mare was worth nothing except to me and I was willing to spend what I had and then some if only to so she could have come home and been a pasture pet...it unfortunately did not work out for my mare and I...I know the people at New Bolton well, and let me assure you that they would not let that horse suffer needlessly...they are great at pain management, and would not just continue to treat the horse to get more dollars...Mrs Jackson I know in passing from her work at TCA..and her concern is the welfare of all horses, not just her own...and I firmly believe that even if Bobby could survive and be comfortable, and not be bred, she would geld him and bring him home..Dr. Richardson is a man with a huge heart, not just talent, and Michael Matz is one of the most decent human beings I have ever met...so shame on the people here who are not vets, have never been faced with these types of decisions, and are using this thread, which has been so helpful to all of us in getting solid medical info on the horse as an area to bash the people who are trying their very best to give this horse the best possible chance at a recovery that will allow him to live pain free in what ever capacity he is capable of...I still have not gotten over the death of my mare ..it left a hole in my heart that will never be filled and I doubt if it will be for the Jacksons either..thats my rant for the day..thanks for listening

[Carol Ames]

:( http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&refer=home&sid=aD.jKIme2MNoPrognosis (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&refer=home&sid=aD.jKIme2MNoPrognosis)

[chawley]

Here's a quote from Edgar Prado.

"I am a horse lover more than anything else," Prado continued. "I care about all of the horses, but you build that relationship with someone, get more attached with some horses, and of course this one brought me the biggest thrill of my life. And he had all of the right tools to become a champion. Not only for me, but he could have showed the whole race industry what kind of horse he was. Unfortunately, he didn't get to that point."

Actually, Barbaro has shown the entire world what kind of horse he is through this terrible situation...a champion that refuses to quit.

[Barnfairy]

Actually, Barbaro has shown the entire world what kind of horse he is through this terrible situation...a champion that refuses to quit.

Bravo chawley. That is the best thing I've heard all day, and absolutely true.

[flshgordon]

Actually, Barbaro has shown the entire world what kind of horse he is through this terrible situation...a champion that refuses to quit.

Truer words were never spoken Chawley. To all those who are second guessing the care/treatment of this magnificent animal you have obviously not ever seen a horse who WANTS to fight to live. You can't force a horse to eat, walk around, etc. Barbaro obviously hasn't given up on himself and WANTS to fight.....bravo to the Jacksons for giving him every possible chance to do that. Many horses would have given up after the initial surgery when he surprised the world. Here's hoping he continues to surprise us with his heart of a champion.

[Esprit]

I, along with most others on the board applaud the heroic measures that have been taken for Barbaro. And if I was in the same financial position, I too, would do everything in my power to save his or my own horses life. So kudos to his owners, trainers, surgeons and his medical team for hanging in there.

If Bobby is alert, has a healthy appetite, pricked ears and offers a welcoming nicker anytime someone enters his stall - he's not done yet. When and if his time is up, HE will be the one to tell Dr. Richardson - and the decision will be made.

Until then, were these pages and hundreds and hundreds of posts all for nothing? No. They were and still are to show support for a fabulous, courageous racehorse. Don't stop now, when he needs us most.

Jingles Barbaro, you're much loved.

[NMK]

Jingles to a great champion.

[pawsplus]

First a big thank you for the continued updates...I can speak to some of this personally, as I lost a mare to a fracture...Unless you have been there, you dont know how it is...(Paws Plus take notice here)..the agony of the decisions you have to make..the second guessing you do to yourself, as well as all the "well meaning" people who offer you unknowledgeable and unsolicited "opinions"...

Do you honestly think I haven't been there? Of course I have. That is why I am saying what I'm saying. It SUCKS, it absolutely does, and I have had to make that choice for animals I loved more than my own life. I have never truly recovered from any of them. I also worked for years for a vet. Don't presume to know me.

Look, it is just MY opinion that they should go on and do it. I'm not saying it has to be everyone's opinion. Everyone gets theirs, and that's mine. But it's certainly not b/c I have no experience in this area. Sheesh.

[Carol Ames]

:) May I make a suggestion? Intend to offend no one with my a suggestion jingling, and prayers ;;) I know we are Ali jingling like crazy, and, :yes: will continue-to do so; let's expand our circle of caring beings abit;) , and ask if wherever you Will be this weekend to worship at church-temple whereveyou and others are gathered together, that we all pray for Barbaro, that he be spared from-pain,:yes: and that the good people at /new Bolton, and, everyone on his"team" be strengthened in-their care giving, and,any decision making they must do and while we ,too would love to him happy,sound, and frolicking in a paddock, that we accept what is best for him, and understand it it as such I say this as someone who still 5 years later says "if only" , and would love to ":turn back the clock" Perhaps if we all pray this weekend we will reach the :"critical mass" necessary for a "quantum shift" , I am getting dangerously far out in areas out in areas I know little to nothing about (quantum physics) :eek: ( Let's do our part with prayers, and jingles, :yes: and let God do his, remember Christ was the healer.as well as the Good Shepherd ;)

[DKL]

Sorry, Pawsplus - I have to disagree. I haven't the fraction of money and resources available to Barbaro, but I fought for 10 months to keep my guy alive due to complications from splint bone surgery. Subluxated his hock coming out of the anesthesia. Lots of rehab and $$$ (no insurance) then 8 months later he breaks the end of his coffin bone off and develops a massive infection. Whole leg swells, coronary band blows and hoof separates. My vet sends radiographs to her two favorite vets at Texas A&M, who both respond "why in the &%#@ have you not put this horse down". My vet replies "Cuz HE'S not ready to go". I talk to the vet at A&M who tells me that he's not optimistic, but he'll see him if I bring him up. A&M vet sees him for about 5 minutes and says "his guy deserves a chance". And they remove bone chips out his hoof sole and put him on massive antibiotics. The point is - you had to SEE THE HORSE in order to make that determination. We should not be making assumptions about what should happen with Barbaro, because we're not there with him.

Eventually the infection returned with my guy and the bone kept disintegrating and he did have to be put down. But as painful as the very long ordeal was for me, my heart's clear as I know I did everything humanely possible for him. We should be applauding all those everyone involved in the efforts to save this wonderful horse - not second guessing when we're not there to see him and don't have all the facts.


Nicely said Shay Darra and I am sorry for your loss. You clearly have represented that every horse must be viewed on an individual basis.

[imissvixen]

Dr. Richardson said in the news conference that this wasn't a Terri Schiavo case. I doubt very much that Barbaro is "hopped up" on pain killers. Ideally the pain in both of his hind feet is now pretty equal and he will use them more equally. It is a pretty dicey situation but I haven't thrown in the towel yet. Moreover, I am not going to second guess the team or how Barbaro deals with this. Horses and other animals experience pain very differently than we do. I suspect if they can keep him eating and his temp normal that he can make it.

I also suspect that Richardson is very tired and emotional -- aka human. (Thank GOD!!! A human surgeon!!! It is a rarity, at least for all the surgeons I have had working on me. One tear from me and they would run out of the room as fast as they could.) Those guys are making the best decisions they can under the circumstances. My goodness, what more can you ask for? And frankly if some science comes out of this, all the better as far as I am concerned.

[Indy]

More jingles before I head home....time to dig out my Aiden curb chain for some serious jingling.
Kick on Bobby!

[baywithchrome2]

Flamesuit on... pawsplus... I truly believe a horse's eye will tell you everything. It sounded like Dr. Richardson, the Jackson and Michael Matz are taking that into account along with all of the medical information (objective and subjective) they have at their disposal. Unless they are lying to us, everything they are saying sounds like Barbaro is fighting to live. I'm as jaded and as cynical as they come, but give him the chance that he seems to be asking for... it sounds like people that know him best will make the right decision for him. JMHO.

[dcm]

Add my jingles for a horse who says he is not ready to go just yet.....

Go Barbaro, Go!

[eks]

This is from the ESPN update...this is what is so heart wrenching to me...


"Perhaps what makes it even more wrenching is that the horse is acting normal.

"This horse, you look at him in the stall -- his ears are up, he's bright. He's looking around," Richardson said.

Dr. Richardson himself is a horseman...Barbaro will let him know if he can't fight anymore...it certainly helps that Rob Sigafoos one of the best farriers in the world is there to help too.

Thanks to everyone for the updates.

[heads up]

Tradewinds:
First of all, I am so sorry for the loss of your beloved mare.

Everyone deals with death differently. If we own animals, whether they are horses, dogs, cats, or gerbils, we know at some time they will be taken from us. Sometimes we have to make the heart wrenching decisions on behalf of those we care for, other times it is out of our hands and fate decides for us. I lost 2 horses in a barn fire last year. I miss them terribly.

We cannot participate in the decision making process of the Jacksons. We can only watch from the sidelines and support the decisions the owners make. Just as we support Faith with her beloved Inferno. Is it heartbreaking? Yes. Is it difficult to read? Yes. When the time is right for the Jacksons, Faith, or the rest of us, the answer of what to do will come.

[Carol Ames]

Shay Darra thank you for your post:yes: which,Imagine was difficult to do; Thank you for sharing your experiences with us you , and, your horse have given us the gift of your experience so well stated;; :yes: I am wondering is there a support group for horse owners grieving for their horses??I suspect his is an area which has little discussed but, which needs to be researched, and discussed.I understand, in my case it has been 5 years and /i grieve daily at some point in some:( fashion. lately of course with Barbaro in the news it has been nearly constant, and,as I try to remind myself as deal with my own "chronic :( pain " that I am grateful that she is not experiencing the same:yes: yet I still find-myself praying every night praying to See her again, and,then it hits me ""things are as they are . as dear Niel says" and I can do nothing to change ; she that; Clearly I could use some therapy though I remember a therapist who, specialized in grief therapy whose group was in; she said "tears :cry: are never bad only no tears tears is bad", I repeat Autumn farms lovely tribute, which is on my desktop, and, will eventually be on my website , "Say not with sadness they are are no more but, with gladness they were ":yes:

[Spoilsport]

Transcript of the news conference -

http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/Barbaro_Transcript7-13.pdf

What a class act!! If they're not ready to give up, I'm not either.

[*jumper*]

Instead of arguing about what the doctors should or shouldn't do and whether or not Barbaro should be euthanised, lets just stop wasting energy on things like this that we have no control over and pray for Barbaro...he needs us to do that for him more than he needs us to comtemplate his future. I think we should keep this board for updates and encouragement...take debating elsewhere. (and I'm not trying to be rude or mean, I just want to be able to check up on Barbaro and not have to read three pages of people debating the laminitis issue.) Thanks!

Meanwhile...no real update from NB today, but their page for today has links to some good articles, and almost every link has a video:
http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/Barbaro_Update7-13.htm

[tarragon]

More jingles for Barbaro! C'mon, Bobby, keep fighting!

[VirginiaBred]

Many continued Thanks to Tim Woolley & Alex, for these updates:

Update 222: New Bolton has released a copy of the transcript for today's press conference (http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/Barbaro_Transcript7-13.pdf).

[Glimmerglass]

As an aside, I think what the Associated Press is putting out for reports is excellent and not dumbed down for a non-equine informed audience. The rub is when local stations have to condense reports for time or feel the need to 'pick and choose' elements.

AP/ESPN/NTRA Jul 13, 5:49 PM EDT "Painful hoof condition led to death of Secretariat" (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=2518471)

(ESPN video with Jeanine Edwards' report on that page as well)

AP Thu, Jul. 13, 2006 "Barbaro's fans saddened after latest news" (http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/sports/15031116.htm)

There were only a handful of visitors Thursday who taped their signs expressing prayers and well wishes to the fence that surrounds the sprawling, 650-acre campus. Inside, only a smattering of cards from weeks ago remained, some from May 26. Nothing appeared new and the ones wishing for a speedy recovery seemed sadly dated.

[TBpalsx3]

Thanks for Dr. Richardson and all his skill. Thanks for the graciousness of the Michael Matz, the Jacksons and kudos to evey person who has fought the good battle to make Barbaro comfortable and a suvivor to this point. I could care less what others think about what should or should not be done. The decisions about Bobby's care are up to the Jacksons and their Vets and not any of us. They love him more than any of us could or do , so let's support them and believe that whatever the outsome they are making the best decision for the right reasons. As someone who cared for a horse with two broken bones for over a year I can tell you all the armchair quarterbacking and various negative and second guessing comments did nothing but hurt the situation. Thank goodness I listened only to my heart, my horse and my vets who I trusted completely. When others lost hope for my horse I decided to listen only to my horse and today he is still with me pain free. It was very tough at times but by the sheer grace of prayer, quality vet care and supportive friends he managed to survive.
I am praying, jingling and lighting candles that Barbaro will recover and that the best decisions will be made for his continued care. If in the end he does not survive I can feel comfortable that he has been given love and the best care possible. I choose to believe that those in charge are listening to the horse. Barbaro will make the decision if and when he has nothing left to give to the fight and then the right decicion will be made. GOD BLESS YOU BARBARO!!! CONTINUE THE FIGHT GOOD BOY!

[VirginiaBred]

Update 223: Just spoke to Kathy Anderson (Barbaro's Fair Hill vet) who visited Bobby this afternoon (she was just leaving at 6 pm when I spoke to her). She said he remains comfortable, as comfortable as he was when she visited yesterday. She noted the many gifts that had been arriving for Bobby all day (I am guessing many of them are from people commenting on this site). Kathy fed some carrots to Bobby, part of a very elaborate gift sent by Margaret from Beaufort, SC. The nursing staff were also feeding him cut grass and corn husks (chopped up for him).

[BasqueMom]

VirginiaBred,

Thank you for the updates! Texas sized jingles for such a remarkable horse!

And I agree, let's keep this thread to the updates and not the what if's.

[k8tee]

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&p=barbaro&fr=FP-tab-web-t400&c=news_photos

Not sure if the link will work, but there are pictures of Barbaro today on the wire -- probably most easily found on yahoo.

He looks better than I'd think, and I think the pictures reinforce what the doctor said about him being bright.

[Dispatcher]

I was wondering what the sling looked like. Amazing "contraption" ! He looks very thin, but he is just a baby and has been through so much. I'm in with everyone else praying he makes it.....

[VirginiaBred]

Laminitis
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

discussion page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Laminitis) for details.
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X-Ray of a foot showing relative rotation of the pedal bone and the hoof capsule as well as some sinking. While laminitis is present, this is an example of rotational founder

Laminitis is a disease of the sensitive laminae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminae) of the foot in a horse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_hoof). The front hooves are most commonly affected, although the hind feet are sometimes affected. Its name means inflammation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflammation) of the laminae, but so far inflammation is no more considered as the key mechanism of it.

Foundering and sinking

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Hoof specimen, sagittal section. Severe hoof capsule rotation and P3 penetration into the sole

Foundering and sinking are two possible consequences of one, or repeated, laminitic episodes; the latter is less common and much more severe.
Sinking results when there is a cataclysmic failure of the interdigitation (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interdigitation&action=edit) between the sensitive and insensitive laminae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laminae) around the entire perimeter of the hoof. Apparently this event allows the entire bony column, often described by its most distal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distal) bone, the third phalanx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx) (aka: PIII, P3, coffin bone, pedal bone) to sink to the bottom of the hoof capsule.
Foundering occurs when the damage to the laminae is less severe, and it will show up mainly in the toe area of the foot. A possible reason for this is the pull of the tendon attached to the coffin bone, the deep flexor tendon, literally pulling the dorsal face of the coffin bone away from the inside of the hoofwall. It is also theorized that the body weight of the animal contributes to rotation of the coffin bone. Rotation results in an obvious misalignment between PII (the short pastern bone) and PIII (the coffin bone/pedal bone). In some cases, the rotation may also result in PIII penetrating the sole and being exposed externally.
Depending upon the severity at the onset of the pathology, there may be no movement of the pedal bone, rotation only, sinking only or a combination of both the latter, to varying extents. It is generally agreed that a severe "sinker" warrants the gravest prognosis and may, depending upon many factors, including the quality of after care, age of the horse, diet and nutrition, skill, knowledge and ability of the attending veterinarian and farrier(s), lead to euthanasia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_euthanasia) of the patient.
Not all horses that experience laminitis will founder, but all horses that founder systemically will first experience laminitis.
In laminitis cases, a clear distinction must be made between the acute situation, starting at the onset of a laminitis attack and a chronic situation. A chronic situation can be either stable or unstable. The difference between acute, chronic, stable and unstable is of vital importantance, when choosing a treatment protocol.
Founder can be mechanical or systemic, unilateral (on one foot) or bilateral (on two feet). Laminitis may also occur in all four feet.
Systemic founder is associated with laminitis and is the result of the partial dysfunction of the epidermal and dermal laminae, which attach the distal phalanx to the hoof wall. With this dysfunction, the deep digital flexor tendon (which attaches to the semi-luner crest of the distal phalanx and serves to flex the foot) is able to pull the bone away from the wall, instead of flexing the foot. When the coffin bone is pulled away from the hoofwall, the remaining laminae will tear. This may lead to abcesses, within the hoof capsule, that can be severe and very painful. Also, a laminar wedge may form, between the front of the hoof wall and the pedal bone. This laminar wedge may, in some cases, prevent the proper re-attachment (interdigitation) of the laminae. Under certain conditions and only after consultation with an experienced veterinarian and farrier team, a dorsal hoof wall resection, to remove this laminar wedge, may be undertaken.
Systemic founder is usually bilateral and is most common in the front feet, although it sometimes affects the hind feet.
Mechanical founder, commonly called "road founder" does not initially involve laminitis or rotation of the distal phalanx; instead the wall is pulled away from the bone or lost. Mechanical founder can occur when a horse habitually paws, is ridden or driven on hard surfaces or loses laminar function, due to injury or pathologies affecting the wall.
Mechanical founder can be either unilateral or bilateral and can affect both front and hind feet.
It is important to note that, once the distal phalanx rotates, it is essential to de-rotate and re-establish proper spatial orientation of p3 within the hoof capsule. With correct trimming and, as necessary, the application of orthotics, one can effect this re-orientation. It should be noted that this attempt at re-orientation may be less than one hundred per cent effective.
Successful treatment for any type of founder must necessarily involve stabilization of the bony column by some means. Stabilization can take many forms, but most include trimming the hoof to facilitate turnover and trimming the heels to ensure frog pressure. While some horses stabilize if left barefooted, some believe that the most successful methods of treating founder involve positive stabilisation of the distal phalanx, by mechanical means, e.g. shoes, pads, polymeric support, etc.
Steps taken to stabilize the bony column gain maximum effect when combined with steps that will reduce the pulling force of the flexor tendon attached to the coffin bone, the deep flexor tendon.
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Causes of laminitis
Many cases of laminitis are caused by more than one factor and are rather due to a combination of causes.

Carbohydrate overload
If a horse is given grain in excess, or eats grass that is under stress and has accumulated excess non-structural carbohydrates (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Non-structural_carbohydrates&action=edit) (sugar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar), starch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starch), or fructan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructan)), it may be unable to digest all of the carbohydrate in the foregut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foregut). The excess then moves on to the hindgut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindgut), and ferments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferment) in the cecum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecum). The presence of this fermenting carbohydrate in the cecum causes proliferation of lactic acid bacteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactic_acid_bacteria), and an increase in acidity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidity). This process kills beneficial bacteria, which ferment fiber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber). The endotoxins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endotoxins) and exotoxins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exotoxins) may then be absorbed into the bloodstream, due to a 'leaky gut syndrome', caused by irritation of the gut lining by increased acidity. Circulation is restricted, particularly in the feet. This results in laminitis.
Laminitis can also be cause by insulin resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_resistance) in the horse. Insulin resistant horses tend to become obese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obese) very easily and, even when starved down, may have abnormal fat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat) deposits on the neck, shoulders, loin, above the eyes, and around the tail head, even when the rest of the body is in normal condition. The mechanism by which laminitis associated with insulin resistance occurs is not understood, but may be triggered by sugar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar) and starch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starch) in the diet of susceptible individuals. Ponies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony) and breeds that evolved in harsh environments with only sparse grass tend to be more insulin resistant, possibly as a survival mechanism. Insulin resistant animals may get laminitis from only very small amounts of grain or high sugar grass. Slow adaptation to pasture is not effective, as it does to prevent laminitis via microbial population upsets. Insulin resistant horses with laminitis should be removed from all green grass and be fed only hay that is tested for Non Structual Carbohydrates (sugar, starch and fructan) and found to be below 11% NSC on a dry matter basis. Soaking hay underwater may remove excess carbohydrates and should be part of a first-aid treatment for any horse with laminitis associated with obesity or abnormal fat deposits.

Nitrogen compound overload
Herbivores are equipped to deal with a normal level of potentially-toxic non-protein nitrogen (NPN) compounds in their forage. If, for any reason, there is rapid upward fluctuation in levels of these compounds, for instance in lush spring growth on artificially-fertilized lowland pasture, the natural metabolic processes can become overloaded, resulting in liver disturbance and toxic imbalance. For this reason, many avoid using artificial nitrogen fertilizer on horse pasture.

Hard ground
Whenever possible, avoid working horses on hard ground. This includes concrete or gravel roads. An indoor or outdoor arena should be periodically dragged with a rake to loosen the soil and prevent it from hardening. Hard surfaces increase the concussion upon the horse's feet. The greater and more prolonged the concussion, the more likely it is that the horse will contract laminitis.

Lush pastures
When releasing horses back into a pasture, after being kept inside (typically during the transition from winter stabling to spring outdoor keeping), it is important to re-introduce them gradually. Feed horses before turning them out and limit the amount of time outside (45 minutes to an hour at first, gradually increasing the amount of time) and decrease the amount fed to them beforehand, as the season progresses. If a horse consumes too much lush pasture, after a diet of dry hay, the excess carbohydrate of grass can be a shock to its digestive system. If the horse is fed beforehand, it will not eat as much fresh grass when turned out and will be less likely to founder.

Frosted grass
Some cases of laminitis have occurred after ingestion of frosted grass. The exact mechanism for this has not been explained but sudden imbalance of the normal bowel flora can be surmised, leading to endotoxin production.

Freezing or overheating of the feet
Cases of laminitis have been observed following an equine standing in extreme conditions of cold, especially if there is a depth of snow. Laminitis has also followed prolonged heating from incorrectly-applied hot-shoeing. In either case, it is possible to understand how the circulation of the feet may become adversely affected.

Untreated infections
Infections, particularly where caused by bacteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria), can cause release of endotoxins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endotoxins) into the blood stream, which may trigger laminitis. A retained placenta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placenta) in a mare is a renowned cause of laminitis.

Colic
Laminitis can sometimes develop after a serious case of colic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_colic), due to the release of endotoxins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endotoxins) into the blood stream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_stream).

Lameness
Lameness causes a horse to favor the injured leg, resulting in uneven weight distribution. This results in more stress on the healthy legs, and can result in laminitis.

Cushings disease
Cushings disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushings_disease) is common in older horses and ponies and causes an increased predisposition to laminitis.

Peripheral Cushings disease
Peripheral Cushings disease is an area of much new research and is increasingly believed to have a major role in laminitis. It involves many factors such as cortisone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisone) metabolism and insulin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin) resistance. It has some similarities to type II diabetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_II_diabetes) in humans.

Retained placenta
It is common practice, in horse-breeding establishments, to check by careful inspection that the entire placenta has been passed, after the birth of a foal. It is known that mares that retain the afterbirth can founder, whether through toxicity or fever or both.

Drug reactions
There have been reports of laminitis following the administration of drugs, especially in the case of corticosteroids. The reaction may be an expression of idiosyncrasy in a particular patient.

Exposure to agro-chemicals
Even horses not considered to be susceptible to laminitis can become laminitic when exposed to certain agro-chemicals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agro-chemical). The most commonly-experienced examples are herbicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbicide) and artificial nitrate fertiliser (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nitrate_fertiliser&action=edit).

Symptoms of laminitis

Increased temperature of the wall, sole and/or coronary band of the foot.
A pounding pulse in the digital palmar artery. (The pulse is very faint or undetectable in a cold horse, readily evident after hard exercise.)
Anxiety
Visible trembling
Increased vital signs and body temperature
Sweating
Flared Nostrils
Walking very tenderly, as if walking on egg shells
The horse standing in a "founder stance" (the horse will attempt to decrease the load on the affected feet). If it has laminitis in the front hooves, it will bring its hindlegs underneath its body and put its forelegs out in front.Complications of laminitis

Separation of the hoof wall

The destruction of the sensitive laminae results in the hoof wall becoming separated from the rest of the hoof. Pus may leak out at the white line or at the coronary band.

Rotation of the third phalanx

The third phalanx, also known as the coffin bone, rotates downward. Normally, the third phalanx should be parallel to the hoof wall, but in laminitis the tension of the deep digital flexor tendon allows the coffin bone to rotate. The degree of rotation is often determined by when laminitis is detected in the horse and by how soon actions are taken to treat the horse.

Penetration of the third phalanx through the sole

If rotation of the third phalanx continues, it can eventually penetrate the sole of the foot. Penetration of the sole is not fatal; many horses have been returned to service by aggressive treatment by a veterinarian and farrier, but the treatment is time-consuming, difficult and expensive.

Treatment

There is no cure for a laminitic episode, and many go undetected. However, a horse can live with laminitis for many years. Rest and corrective shoeing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe), can help improve a horse's condition; it may be able to bear a rider, or even completely recover if the laminitis was not severe. Successful treatment requires a competent farrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farrier) and veterinarian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterinarian), and success is not guaranteed.

The barefoot movement
Studies on hoof health by Dr. Hiltrud Strasser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiltrud_Strasser)(Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany)) and Jaime Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Jackson)(US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US)) first suggested an alternate, more optimistic view on laminitis, which is supported by proponents of the barefoot horse movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barefoot_horse). This is an holistic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holistic) approach to the disease, mainly based on pulling shoes, proper hoof care and trimming, diet, and movement.[1] (http://www.cvm.msu.edu/research/efl/)
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Suggested reading

Adams Lameness in Horses Ted S. Stashak, D.V.M.
The Lame Horse James R. Rooney, D.V.M.
25 Most Frequently Asked Questions & Answers about Laminitis and Founder Burney Chapman, C.J.F., Bill Moyers, D.V.M, et al
The Illustrated Veterinary Encyclopedia for Horsemen Equine Research Inc.
Veterinary Medications and Treatments for Horsemen Equine Research Inc.
Horse Owner's Veterinary Handbook James M. Giffin, M.D. and Tom Gore, D.V.M.
Founder: Prevention & Cure the Natural Way, Jaime Jackson, Star Ridge Company
Who's Afraid of Founder. Laminitis Demystified: Causes, Prevention and Holistic Rehabilitation, Hiltrud Strasser, The Naked Hoof
Corrective Farriery, a textbook of remedial horseshoeing Simon Curtis
The Principles of Horseshoeing II and The Principles of Horseshoeing III Dr. Doug Butler
Illustrated Atlas of Clinical Equine Anatomy and Common Disorders of the Horse, Vol. One, Ronald J. Riegel, Susan E. Hakola
Understanding Laminitis, Dr. R.F. Redden
Laminitis, C.C. PollitExternal links

http://www.johnthevet.com (http://www.johnthevet.com/) Laminitis information resource
http://www.safergrass.com (http://www.safergrass.com/) Current research on prevention and treatment of laminitis
http://www.horseshoes.com (http://www.horseshoes.com/) Field experts sharing knowledge, Keywords: founder, laminitis
http://www.hopeforsoundness.com (http://www.hopeforsoundness.com/) The website of Gene Ovnicek
http://www.laminitisresearch.org (http://www.laminitisresearch.org/) presentation of research by C.C. Pollit and his team
http://www.hoofrehab.com (http://www.hoofrehab.com/) The website of Pete Ramey, with many links to various sources
http://www.barefoothorse.com (http://www.barefoothorse.com/) The website of Marjorie Smith, a good overview on barefoot movement
http://www.TheHorsesHoof.com (http://www.thehorseshoof.com/) The Horse's Hoof, a specialyzed barefoot hoof care magazine
http://www.barefoottrim.com (http://www.barefoottrim.com/) The website of Gwenyth Santagate with information on pathologies of the hooves and lots of photos of healthy hooves.
http://www.cabcalor.be (http://www.cabcalor.be/) Laminitis expert in Benelux
http://www.horseperspective.com (http://www.horseperspective.com/) Equine Wellness Solutions, providing understanding of natural hoof function and lameness prevention

[Showponymom Aefvue Mid Atlantic Division]

He's not in extreme pain b/c he's hopped up on painkillers. Which, combined w/ no movement and probably less intake of forage, will lead to ulcers or colic.

You wouldn't want someone giving up on you b/c you would understand the situation and be able to make a decision for yourself, having weighed the pros and the cons re: your Q of L. He can't. That is the job of the humans caring for him, and IMHO they are doing a crap job of it.

How do you know that he is hopped up on pain killers, do you work there, are you there looking at his chart?

I just watched video taken today of him in his sling munching on carrots and hay, very bright eyed (if he was hopped up, he would have a dull eye and not eat) and moving in the sling. He looked very aware of his surroundings and people there.

They are not doing a crap job, you can hear it in Dean's voice, they truly care about this horse. Why would they go through all this?

He will let them know when he has had enough, they always do.

[just_me]

VB - thanks for keeping us all up-to-date.

[Sannois]

with the wonderful guy!!! He certainly looks very bright in the photos.
I know he is having the best of everything, and I dont believe anone should be second guessing Richardson or his owners!
I have a question?? I have been a bit behind, I heard he had another surgery today?? is that true??

[tradewind]

tons and tons of jingles...May God Bless Them and Keep Them all in these difficult times

[Susan P]

AMEN :sadsmile:

just pray


Thanks for Dr. Richardson and all his skill. Thanks for the graciousness of the Michael Matz, the Jacksons and kudos to evey person who has fought the good battle to make Barbaro comfortable and a suvivor to this point. I could care less what others think about what should or should not be done. The decisions about Bobby's care are up to the Jacksons and their Vets and not any of us. They love him more than any of us could or do , so let's support them and believe that whatever the outsome they are making the best decision for the right reasons. As someone who cared for a horse with two broken bones for over a year I can tell you all the armchair quarterbacking and various negative and second guessing comments did nothing but hurt the situation. Thank goodness I listened only to my heart, my horse and my vets who I trusted completely. When others lost hope for my horse I decided to listen only to my horse and today he is still with me pain free. It was very tough at times but by the sheer grace of prayer, quality vet care and supportive friends he managed to survive.
I am praying, jingling and lighting candles that Barbaro will recover and that the best decisions will be made for his continued care. If in the end he does not survive I can feel comfortable that he has been given love and the best care possible. I choose to believe that those in charge are listening to the horse. Barbaro will make the decision if and when he has nothing left to give to the fight and then the right decicion will be made. GOD BLESS YOU BARBARO!!! CONTINUE THE FIGHT GOOD BOY!

[Hopeful Hunter]

VB, again, many, many thanks for providing such accurate information.

No one would wish this situation on anyone, but it seems to me that everyone associated with Barbaro is really showing the same championship grace that he has demonstrated - on the track and now in the hardest race of his life. I've lost a horse to colic, much more quickly and privately, and I know only a teeny fraction of the weight and loneliness of the decisions Barbaro's caregivers are facing.

The Jacksons, Michael Matz and his team and everyone at New Bolton has shown extraordinary grace and openness in a horrible situation, and I am constantly awed by their approachability and willingness to share with the world the struggle they face. Everyone involved has shown that they are all true horsemen to me, and I know that whatever may come, they will make their decisions based on what they believe to be the best for Barbaro. And they will do so I'm sure with the same fortitude and grace they have shown throughout.

Barbaro is a fighter, and so is his family. At this point, all we can offer is our prayers and thoughts of healing...to everyone involved. I agree that the photos show a horse who is still interested and involved, and I'm sure that as long as he shows a spark, his team will work to make things as good as they can be. Whatever comes next, I hope that they know that they have done everything and more, and they have only my admiration and respect.

[Buffyblue]

Jingling loudly in New York. Keep the faith!

[stephjm]

Still jingling for you Barbaro!! Keep fighting! I'm glad they posted some pictures, he looks like he's been through a lot (which he has), but right now he still looks bright-eyed. From what I've heard and read, the Jacksons won't let him suffer if it comes to that.

Hoping for the best though!! :)

Many thanks, VB, for keeping this site updated. I don't post much but I check often.

[Mao]

Pawsplus - so sorry you are being so horribly slammed here. In my opinion, you only stated the obvious. And clearly, you are not some horrible person, gleefully wishing for the demise of Bobby. That's absurd. It seemed to me you were objecting reasonably on behalf of the horse, for the suffering he's enduring against enormous odds of recovery.

I think Bobby should be euthanized. I think the money the Jacksons have put into his recovery should be set up in matching fund - The Barbaro Memorial Fund - to somehow benefit the thoroughbred industry. Whether helping rescues save OTTB from auction, or working to improve track conditions, or providing adequate health insurance to track workers. Pick one. God knows there are so many horse in need with better prognosis than Barbaro.

I think it's money better spent than prolonging the suffering of one horse.

[VirginiaBred]

I wanted to start a new thread regarding his recovery. News updates and other insider information should be posted here.

We all did such a great job jingling him through his massive surgery ordeal, let's please keep that up through his recovery.

Mao, and Pawsplus, and any others so inclined, that was the first post on this thread I started a long time ago.

Please adhear to that, and start a post of your own regarding your thoughts on what should or should not be done, please.

There is no place for that on this thread.

[adventurebeachponies]

Pawsplus and Mao,

It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that either of you have enough information about Barbaro's condition or level of happiness to pronounce a death sentence over him! You are not vets, you are not his owners and would guess you have never laid eyes on him physically in your entire life.

Unless you are omnicient and omnipotent you should back off and take a wait and see position and give his caregivers and owners the benefit of the doubt that they are making the best decisions they can for Bobby.

Every creature be it human or otherwise WANTS to live unless it is in intolerable pain... period.

prayers and jingles to Bobby and all of those who love him.

[Mardi]

for settling the herd.

[YoungFilly]

Quote from the press release -- "It’s a very bad situation right now for the Jacksons. And I want to emphasize that this is hard for us, but it’s much worse for them. I get second-guessed all the time about how we’ve done everything. That’s understandable. That’s the nature of what I do. But the Jacksons are going to be second-guessed because if we quit now, people are going to say that we quit too early. If we quit later, people are going to say we quit too late."

I can empathize with these poor people. No matter what they do at this point, someone is going to think they did the wrong thing. I keep thinking about next years Kentucky Derby. I want them to air video of Barbaro happy, and doing what his new job is supposed to be. I am definately afraid for him now, knowing that he foundered. The poor boy. It could be anyones horse at this point. Jingles for Barbaro, and jingles for the Jacksons, who are stuck in such a bad spot right now, trying to do the right thing.

[HorseSoGreen]

After two years of fighting, using everything veterinary science has to offer, we had to make the awful decision to euthanize our horse last Fall due to laminitis. Throughout his re-section and many months in a hospital setting, our horse (Bravado) ate heartily, was shiny and bright eyed. We were able to manage his pain, but in the end he had no quality of life. He couldn't live like a horse. He was a prisoner in a stall, looking out at the world. He couldn't go out in the pasture, because he would forget his infirmity and try to run and buck and play -- then he would be lame for weeks after. We couldn't hand graze him, because he would buck and play on the line. We couldn't walk him under saddle, because he had too much energy and heart. He wanted to run. His laminitis recurred every 6 months or so, and he had recurring abcesses in the foot. We tried surgery, special shoes -- you name it.

In the end, we loved and respected his spirit too much to selfishly keep him with us. My heart goes out to the Jacksons and the staff at New Bolton. I and my family know what they're going through. I have confidence that they will make the right decision for Barbaro.

In my opinion, he couldn't have a more conscientious and loving "family" caring for him.

[Fred]

thank you VB for the updates.
Jingling for you Bobby, and sending you silent prayers as I look up into this starry night.

[Carol Ames]

Time to focus on how successful Nurevey came through: A Look Back: Saving Nureyev (http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=6788). Nureyev is an amazingly uplifting story. Keep all energy for Barbaro please, lets hope he writes a similar story! :confused: Note hat he, Nureyev. was standing quietly in the paddock, no galloping , jumping or bucking., and yet ,they gallop and jump:yes: [ for us with seeming ease, and,joy. How do they do it?

[I'm EBO]

It's probably better for his condition(s) that he is on the thin side right now--less weight to support.

Thanks again VB. What would we do without your reports?

Jingles.

[Boston Chicken]

My goodness, I found those pictures startling I must admit. He does still seem to have a spark in his eye and obviously likes his treats. I know his owners and his gifted vets are doing everything they can - they have never done wrong by this horse. We can only support them from afar - and we should continue to do so.

GO BARBARO!

[catknsn]

To all those who are second guessing the care/treatment of this magnificent animal you have obviously not ever seen a horse who WANTS to fight to live. You can't force a horse to eat, walk around, etc. Barbaro obviously hasn't given up on himself and WANTS to fight.....bravo to the Jacksons for giving him every possible chance to do that.

I agree completely, and well said!

[Sobriska]

I pray there is a miracle for all that care so much for Barbaro. I hope we will remember though, if everyone's love is not enough........he will go to a place where he can run fast again.

[niceb]

Tradewind- I know all to well this hole in your heart that can never be replaced. I lost my 7 year old mare to founder a year and a half ago. She had a reaction to a joint injection and foundered in three feet, she sunk and rotated. For 5 months I took care of her night and day. It was a labor of love that consumed my entire life. At one point , despite how severe she was , she actually began to improve. She was a fighter and I was never going to stop giving her the chance to live as long as I knew she had the will to live. She let me know when it was time and I only had to look in her eyes, which changed , to have to make the hardest decision I have ever been faced with. She simply could not stand up any longer, we had to roll her over on her stronger side to get her up. The night before she left my life she lay her head on my lap and reached her face up to mine and I will never, ever forget how the look in her eye changed as I whispered in her ear how much I loved her. After 5 months of caring for her and watching by beautiful strong mare become so frail and so very weak nearly broke me but I never gave up until she told me it was time. Nobody can pass judgement on what we do or don't do until they have walked in the shoes of those of us that have faced such tragic circumstances. I also nearly lost my other mare many years ago to a infection in her tendon sheath, she did make it despite her enourmous odds. I have shed many a tear over Barabaro, I do not know this horse personally at all but he has touched our lives. I know the agony and pain, the ups and downs, the great joy when there is some progress and the feeling of utter devastation when things take a turn for the worse. God Bless all those involved in the care of this beautiful animal and the owners and trainers. I pray Barbaro will make it and I also pray for everyone involved in the tough decisions that may need to be made in the days or weeks ahead if things do not improve as I know about this all to well and will always carry around this hole in my heart.

[Susan P]

I think we can't help but notice the stark contrast to so many OTTBs that are not as fortunate as Barbaro to have such caring owners and for the crime of being too slow or a minor injury they are sold for the 30 pieces of silver, betrayed. I too have mixed emotions having had 2 rescued OTTBs at my farm recently and MAO you are now neighbors to Phil another OTTB that was a stakes winner and was dumped. He's eating blue grass now but he came so close to eating dirt. This is one of the sweetest horses I've met, he fell asleep in my arms. He didn't deserve that fate either so we are talking about a ridiculous unfairness. Though if it were my horse and I could afford to go all out I still would. So there ya go. Unfortunately, I couldn't afford it and if it were my horse I would kiss him and hug him one more time and say good bye with many tears.

I see the perfectly wonderful and sound horses, OTTBs and others dumped too often. Before you get mad at people pointing that out please keep that in mind and dig into your pockets to help them too. I did.

Have to add, people are sending gifts to Barbaro, please send a donation in his name to a great rescue instead to honor Barbaro and other racehorses. Then send a note that you donated in Barbaro's name to New Bolton for the Jacksons.

Help them: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/funchy/SusanP/DSC03302.jpg

[Kenike]

I apologize for being part of the argumentative group. I've said my piece, but respect the spirit of the thread.

Jinging and praying like mad for Bobby and all the humans involved from Southern Colorado

[VirginiaBred]

Team Barbaro:

Light a candle for Barbaro. If we all focus on this horse, we can get will him through this.

[annikak]

Team Barbaro:

Light a candle for Barbaro. If we all focus on this horse, we can get will him through this.


I love that horse- and VB- there is no way I can express my gratitude for all your updates- taking your time to keep us informed.
I join you in prayers and the lighting of candles- because there is nothing more that I want in the world then to see this amazing horse make a recovery. I am calling forth all those thoughts I had as a kid, that just thinking about him can make this go away for him. I agree, he does not look like he is in pain, and knowing the NB people, they are so horse oriented and they know they are all being closely watched. I *love* NB, and am glad he is there. Esp now, with the world seeming to crumble around us and all the horrible world events, Barbaro represents hope and light...

Go Barbaro- you are very loved....

[ASB Stars]

Team Barbaro:

Light a candle for Barbaro. If we all focus on this horse, we can get will him through this.



I agree- we need to focus our healing energies- and we can help raise him up, and beyond this awful moment in his life.

Barbaro, there is not a cell in your body that is not that of a champion. We KNOW that the odds you face right now were NEVER on the board, when you had the opportunity to show who you ARE.

Don't give up- you've never given up- and no one will give up one you. Bless your "home TEAM Barbaro"- the Jacksons, Michael Matz's amazing crew, Dean Richardson, the wizard of NBC, and all of the willing hands and hearts at NBC.

WE here- near and far- will be thinking good thoughts, praying, and wishing for the moment when we see you walk free of your confines, and be a real horse again.

Until then, TEAM BARBARO here at COTH is holding you near to our hearts!

[aahunterjumper]

Thank you VB for the updates. I checked the web at lunch and was kind of sorry I had. It made the rest of my day seem so trivial. Sending continuing prayers and jingles for Barbaro and his family.

Dr. Richardson is an excellent vet and a horseman (not all equine vets are the latter). It's a horrible situation for any horse person to be in, and Barbaro's lucky to have a vet, trainer and owners who are horsemen calling the shots.

[Equine Connection]

Ditto and thanks so much again for these detailed updates as these are the links that keep everyone going. And possibly with everyone's thoughts, prayers, and jingles, we can truly make a difference for Barbaro. I wholeheartedly believe Barbaro is very much loved and cherished and that his Dr. Richardson, Barbaro's owners, Michael Matz, and everyone involved will do what is absolutely necessary and what is best for Barbaro as his well-being certainly seems to be the very top priority for everyone. Myself, like many others have had to make such gut-wrenching, hearbreaking decisions, so we can only hope and pray that yet another miracle will occur for such a wonderful creature with such a HUGE heart and strong will to live. Godspeed Barbaro.

[daytimedrama]

As Willem used to say.... Stinking Flounder!

Jingles for what is best for Barbaro, it breaks my heart but I think there is a special place in heaven for horses like him if that is what is best. :cry:

[canyonoak]

Probably a good many on this BB have been in the position of having to make The Decision for one of the wonderful creatures we love.

I can only send jingles and prayers and energy to those involved with Barbaro,that they do not need to make such a decision, that he recovers and has quality of life.

But Ive thought what i want to do to honor this horse's courage, the comitment of those involved with him...

So I made a donation to my favorite TB rescue.

jingles to all the horses out there who can use a helping and loving hand.

[Mao]

Pawsplus and Mao,

It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that either of you have enough information about Barbaro's condition or level of happiness to pronounce a death sentence over him! You are not vets, you are not his owners and would guess you have never laid eyes on him physically in your entire life.

Unless you are omnicient and omnipotent you should back off and take a wait and see position and give his caregivers and owners the benefit of the doubt that they are making the best decisions they can for Bobby.

Every creature be it human or otherwise WANTS to live unless it is in intolerable pain... period.

prayers and jingles to Bobby and all of those who love him.


You profess your 'love' of Barbaro while reproaching me for proclaiming a 'death wish'. What? You think I wish death upon horses? Do you know him any better than I do? Are you involved personally in his care? Do you stroke his silky bay muzzle as yet another morphine IV drip is inserted into his veins?

There is pleny of information published about Barbaro's condition and care. He is a public icon. We are basically informed about every bowel movement he passes.

I merely suggest that some reason and judgement is exercised here. He has one leg shattered into a million pieces, and now - in his other hind leg - the foot has been 80% cut away. This is NOT rocket science. His prognosis was never good to begin with and getting worse by the day.

My suggestion is taking the exhoribant amount of money spent on his recovery and channel it to horses, people or the industry - who have a REAL chance of benefittng from such an effort.

I think the people of COTH, collectively, have touched the lives of many horses in a positive way. So, here's yet another opportunity. Let's have the Jacksons, with their deep pockets and love of horses, use their wealth to do something other than prolong the suffering of one horse - however grand he may be.

[VirginiaBred]

Update 224: Barbara Livingston, whose Barbaro photographs (and all racing photos) are fantastic, just left the following comment and offer:

We are all so grateful for your updates and information. I start and end my days visiting your site nowadays - wishing all good things for the remarkable Barbaro.
I first became smitten with Barbaro last year, as his name is so similar to my own. When I finally saw him Derby week, I was thunderstruck. He was SO professional, relaxed, stunning - just right. To say he had 'the look' seems understatement. He is truly a once in a lifetime horse.
I told everyone who would listen before the Derby that Barbaro was like a different species from other horses - he could not lose the Derby.
And now we simply root for him to live.
I've had so many requests for photos that I added more to my site, as well as a couple of wallpaper patterns and two downloadable 8x10"s.
If any Barbaro fans would like to download them and print them for their own use, feel free. Please do not sell them, or make them into artwork, etc.
Depending on response, I'd be happy to add others. The address is www.barbaralivingston.com/gallery/barbaro (http://www.barbaralivingston.com/gallery/barbaro)
Again, we are so grateful for all that you are doing, Alex...as well as indescribably grateful to the Jacksons, Dr. Richardson, and everyone connected with Barbaro.
Take good care.
Barbara Livingston

Thanks Barbaro for your kind offer of your great work.

[La Gringa]

Why do these magnificent creatures, so strong and noble, able to uplift millions of people by just cantering in a field.... their beauty and grace, heart and courage....

have to be so delicate?? This horse is one of the bravest I have ever seen, make it through as far as he has so far.... some might have died just from the shock of it all... the stress... He has really been a trooper with all the things he has had to endure up to now... and only a 3 year old.

I am heartbroken to hear of the Founder. I really hope he can pull his last bit of strength from all this jingling and praying to just make it through this.

I hope he's not in too much pain.

Jingles and love.... to him and all who are close to / caring for him.

[Texarkana]

How do you know that he is hopped up on pain killers, do you work there, are you there looking at his chart?

I just watched video taken today of him in his sling munching on carrots and hay, very bright eyed (if he was hopped up, he would have a dull eye and not eat) and moving in the sling. He looked very aware of his surroundings and people there.

They are not doing a crap job, you can hear it in Dean's voice, they truly care about this horse. Why would they go through all this?

He will let them know when he has had enough, they always do.

Do you have a link to the video of him in the sling taken today?

[Freebird!]

Just so ya know: The link to Tim Woolley's racing site - where VB gets all the great Barbaro updates - is: http://timwoolleyracing.com/ Just click on the link under "Welcome" right there at the top, for Tim's latest Barbaro update. Currently, the direct link is: http://www.timwoolleyracing.com/news/2006/07/barbaro_updates_5.php

Prayers and Jingles for Barbaro!!!!


***Edited so as not to offend....:sigh: :rolleyes:

[tullio]

going to call it a night but will light a candle for Barbaro, and keep sending love and good thoughts...

Keep jingling, gang - I bet he can hear it!

[TBpalsx3]

Oh my! Barbara Livingston is the greatest. Her photos are breathtaking. Alex let her know we appreciate her willingness to share her pictures of Barbaro. Her entire website is beautiful.

And more jingles and prayers for Barbaro and his caretakers!!!!

[2hsmommy]

My candle is lit and a prayer will be said...

Thank you VB :)

[VirginiaBred]

Barbaro's plight casts light on other side of horse racing Updated 7/13/2006 9:14 PM ET

Dr. Dean Richardson never wavered any time he assessed Barbaro's condition.
Since Barbaro underwent emergency surgery to treat a leg injury the horse suffered in the Preakness on May 20, Richardson, the chief of surgery at the University of Pennsylvania's New Bolton Center, guarded any cautious optimism with the reality of the situation, saying Barbaro had a 50-50 chance of survival despite any progress the horse had been making.
On Thursday, Richardson offered another blunt and bleak assessment of the horse's prognosis: "I'd be lying if I said it was anything but poor."
An acute case of laminitis, a painful and difficult-to-cure hoof disease, has developed in Barbaro's left hind foot, the opposite leg that required surgery the day after the Preakness. Laminitis took the life of Secretariat, the 1973 Triple Crown winner, in 1989.
The disease was a concern for Barbaro from the beginning because it affects horses that put too much weight on one limb because another limb is unable to hold its own weight.
Without a Triple Crown winner since Affirmed in 1978, horse racing — a sport, like boxing, that is not what it once was — craves another Triple Crown champ.
Horse racing turned out such wonderful stories in the past few years. Fans take to Funny Cide and Smarty Jones. They want to watch Afleet Alex recover from a near-catastrophic stumble on the backstretch to win the Preakness.
By most accounts, Barbaro, after his impressive Derby victory, had as good of a chance as any horse in recent years to win the Derby, Preakness and Belmont.
In a grim, foreshadowing sentence, The Washington Post's Andrew Beyer, an astute chronicler of thoroughbred racing, wrote of Barbaro before the Preakness, "… barring some unlucky development, he is going to win the Triple Crown."
An unlucky development, and then some. This is not supposed to happen to a Triple Crown contender. Yet, the sport is faced with the very realistic possibility that Barbaro, the Kentucky Derby winner, will not survive much longer.
No one wants a young horse euthanized. It is not often people read, see and hear about this side of horse racing. Few even know what happens when a horse breaks down in a race. We are getting an up-close and sobering look, and that's not terrible. This is living, and this might be dying. It is life, with all its joy and all its sorrow. We don't always choose our experiences.
In Barbaro, fans found a horse they could cheer, all the connections to the horse likable folk. Barbaro's trainer, Michael Matz, survived and helped rescue three children in a plane crash in which 185 people died. He is a three-time Olympian in equestrian and carried the flag during the closing ceremony at the 1996 Summer Games in Atlanta.
Jockey Edgar Prado sold fruit on the streets of his native Peru as a 7-year-old. He came to the United States in the mid-1980s as a teen knowing little English and fewer people. Since then, he was won more than 5,500 races.
Owners Roy and Gretchen Jackson are humble, by almost all accounts. Nearly two weeks before the Preakness, the Jacksons stopped by the Fair Hill Training Center where Barbaro trained. They met with the five journalists who made the trip to the farm country in Elkton, Md. They enjoyed it. They were self-deprecating. They were funny. They were serious.
Asked if fate played any role in winning the Triple Crown, Roy Jackson took time before answering.
"I'm trying to spend my time enjoying this," he said. "We just don't know why we've been picked out to have this happen to us. We're sure enjoying it and along for the ride.
"We're not particularly superstitious or anything. I think we both have a sort of a faith in whatever you want to call it — a higher power or God – but it helps with all situations in life. As far as fate that this was meant to happen, I just don't know. We don't question it too much."
This was not what they thought fate had planned for them, and yet this what fate dispensed.
Now, the Jacksons are faced with the decision that torments all animal owners: if and when to euthanize. It is an emotionally taxing decision.
Putting aside cynicism for the moment, this is not about keeping the horse alive to make money. If Barbaro survives, it is not guaranteed he will have enough strength in his hind legs to stud. Furthermore, the Jacksons probably will collect insurance money if Barbaro is euthanized.
The Jacksons have maintained from the start that this is about giving Barbaro a decent quality of life if possible. There is little reason to doubt them. It's unlikely they would prolong his life for selfish reasons. They have grown to love and care for this horse. Most likely, so have the doctors treating and monitoring Barbaro.
Richardson, the main vet on the case, emphasized he isn't into allowing the horse to suffer.
"We are trying all reasonable avenues," he said. "If they don't work, we will quit. … We are not torturing this horse. I guarantee you, no veterinarian goes into this business to inflict pain in an animal. We are trying to save his life."
If and when the time comes, the Jacksons will know and act accordingly.
Trying to save Barbaro's life is noble and humane. And so is euthanizing him.
***

[Miss Demeanor]

I lit a candle for Barbaro and also took a minute to say "thanks" for this thread and all the updates and generosity of everyone rooting for Barbaro.

[equinelaundry]

1/2 way thru the 24 hours. :yes:

After seeing the sling video and having a horse that foundered in both front feet I can't help but still have hope. I hope to wake up tomorrow and get wonderful news about this amazing horse.

[Texarkana]

Do you have a link to the video of him in the sling taken today?


Nevermind, I found it at:

http://cbs3.com/video

I'm the one squished in between him and the wall, lol.