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VirginiaBred
Jan. 5, 2007, 12:30 PM
Update 1273: Mrs. Jackson just called and reported Barbaro was comfortable during her visit this morning (9 am). She of course brought him his grass. Mrs. Jackson also confirmed Dr. Scott Morrison visited Barbaro on wednesday of this week. This was Dr. Morrison's second visit I believe. He is focused on Barbaro's left hind foot, and placed a cast on the foot. This was reported by Channel 18 in Lexington yesterday: http://www.wlextv.com/ (the video to click is 1/2 way down the page in their Featured Video Box)
I also chatted a little bit with Mrs. Jackson about Barbaro's Kentucky Derby win, and what a tremendous performance it was (the ease of the win, the time of the race etc.) Mrs. Jackson said as she led Barbaro in after the race (so within ten minutes of the facile win) Barbaro was "bone dry", as if he had not exerted himself in his effort.
update 11:55 am, friday, January 5
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 5, 2007, 06:27 PM
Update 1276: I just spoke to Tom, the Jackson's farm manager. He visited Barbaro today (this afternoon as usual), and he (Barbaro) remains comfortable. The weather prevented them from going outside.
More insight on the visit of Dr. Morrison on wednesday of this week from the Thoroughbred Times: Morrison applied cast to Barbaro's laminitic left hoof on Wednesday (http://thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2007/January/05/Morrison-applied-cast-to-Barbaro-laminitic-left-hoof-on-Wednesday.aspx). It primarily an interview with Mrs. Jackson. It includes the following excerpts:

"I had no idea how touchy that situation is. It's just a very fragile connection as the hoof wall grows, there is such fragility with those connections between the wall and the tissue surrounding the bone, this is how I understand it and that's why you don't just turn him loose or something. He has to have it controlled so that it stabilizes and it grows and connects in the proper way."

and

"He doesn't carry himself the same way in the back because of the fused joints, he's still adjusting to the fusion. He's different gaited but he doesn't give you any indication that he's lost interest in life. He knows his people, too," she continued. "The other day he was lying down, and we had been away for ten days, and I just walked in and they had, of all things, a mother goat in there with her four babies. She's one of those little pygmy goats, and they are just the cutest little things. And I went right over to them before Barbaro, and he heard my voice and sprung up out of his bedding and was whinnying and everything, saying, 'I'm over here, bring my grass.' He's pretty with it. He's a funny horse."

Rachel from Kennett Florist left this comment (timestamp: 8:49 pm):

Afternoon All!! Happy new year family, friends and FOB's!! Hope 2007 is treating everyone well!
Alie and I visited NBC with a basket for our boy. Everyone was in good spirits. We took down the tree and put the ornaments in Dr Sweeney's office for Mrs Jackson to pick up. As people were walking by, they thanked us again for putting up such a beautiful tree... and asked us to pass thanks along to you.
Thanks again go out to Jessica who stopped by with cake and coffee for us, along with a book she had put together from messages many of you had sent her. Thank you all for such kind words and for thinking of us. And the cake is wonderful... just what we needed on a rainy day!!
Hope everyone has a great weekend!
WE BELIEVE!!!
Rach at KF

There was a nice article from Bloomberg.com (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ap1kj_xLmgPw&refer=us) that appears to have been picked up by other media. This version: Barbaro boosts town's economy (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/casual/stories/010607dnbusbarbaro.eac4b86.html) includes photographs!

skatepixie
Jan. 5, 2007, 08:06 PM
The question is...if he's going to KY, is he going to Rood and Riddle, a breeding operation, or KY Horse Park?

VirginiaBred
Jan. 6, 2007, 07:48 AM
Saturday Monring ~

Update 1277: Congratulations to two Philadelphia-area sports writers for winning Eclipse awards for documenting the Barbaro story: Dick Jerardi (http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=36932) and Mike Jensen (http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=36964).
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 6, 2007, 07:49 AM
The question is...if he's going to KY, is he going to Rood and Riddle, a breeding operation, or KY Horse Park?

And, as you have read/heard/seen, that hasn't been announced yet.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 6, 2007, 11:11 AM
Update 1278: Another comfortable night for Barbaro (friday night). Mrs. Jackson just called (10:10 am) as I was grazing and currying Hawty Creek. Mrs. Jackson had just visited Barbaro and while he was lying down as she arrived, he was soon on his feet.
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 6, 2007, 05:39 PM
Update 1279: The Daily Racing Form has an article on the new cast on Barbaro's left hind foot: Barabaro gets cast to stabilize hoof (http://www.drf.com/news/article/81707.html). Not only do we learn that this was somewhat of a routine procedure for the circumstances, but also how the cast was applied:

Jackson said that the procedure to put the cast on Barbaro's left hind leg did not require anesthesia and was performed in the colt's stall.
Thanks, Alex.

vineyridge
Jan. 6, 2007, 06:28 PM
Anyone else mildly worried? He seems to be lying down a lot, which would indicate to me that something about his feet/legs is bothering him.

Or I am just being silly to think that he might be in some pain?

holmes
Jan. 6, 2007, 06:33 PM
I knew a horse who was in the hospital with laminitis for over a year (imagine that bill) and even when she was 99% better she would lie down a lot -

I would not be worried per say - but Dr. Richardson's comment about that leg this week, the specialist from Rood and Riddle coming out to see him, him lying down a lot, etc does suggest we are not out of the woods.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 6, 2007, 06:50 PM
Please remember that this is a very intelligent patient that has done nothing but the smart things to take care of himself. Lying down is a great way to rest the other legs that are stronger, and are supporting him during his hoof regrowth.

And, as a reminder from the earlier article from The Thoroughbred Times:
************************************************** ****

Gretchen Jackson said the return visit to the Kennett Square, Pennsylvania, veterinary hospital was scheduled when Morrison first examined Barbaro on December 19 at the request of Dean Richardson, D.V.M., chief surgeon at Penn’s veterinary school.

and

“[Morrison] was able to come up here on the third and put a cast on that foot,” Gretchen Jackson said. “He’s just trying to stabilize that foot enough for him to move elsewhere. It seems as if all of the fractured leg is all healed, that’s fine. It’s just getting the laminitic hoof to stabilize. [The hoof] is really touchy.
“I had no idea how touchy that situation is. It’s just a very fragile connection as the hoof wall grows, there is such fragility with those connections between the wall and the tissue surrounding the bone, this is how I understand it and that’s why you don’t just turn him loose or something. He has to have it controlled so that it stabilizes and it grows and connects in the proper way.”

and

“He’s really getting to a point where he will, hopefully, be stabilized and can continue his recovery outside of an intensive care facility,” Gretchen Jackson said. “He’s in there and doesn’t really require all of the attention. That’s the goal to get him to a point where he can leave, and no one be concerned as to his traveling and his distance away from New Bolton.”


The cast Morrison put on the left foot encompasses the hoof and extends to just below the ankle. Other treatments for laminitis will be explored once the laminitic hoof is sufficiently stabilized.

and

“There are all of these different techniques, but we haven’t employed any of those. It’s just been allowed to grow on its own and the first sort of assistance we had was to try and stabilize it, it will have nothing to do with the regrowth of the hoof wall, but just to stabilize it.”

Gretchen Jackson said ideally his next stop will not be another hospital, but a farm that offers security already in place, experience dealing with laminitis, and proximity to excellent veterinary care. She said Kentucky is a very likely next destination.

holmes
Jan. 6, 2007, 06:57 PM
I thought they were thinking about Florida, because of the nice weather - I guess EHV put a stop to that.

Texarkana
Jan. 6, 2007, 08:45 PM
Anyone else mildly worried? He seems to be lying down a lot, which would indicate to me that something about his feet/legs is bothering him.

Or I am just being silly to think that he might be in some pain?


He always lies down a lot... it's what he does. He's a smart boy. Actually, it's a bigger worry when he stops laying down. There so much of the story ya'll don't get to hear, you'd be amazed...

VirginiaBred
Jan. 6, 2007, 09:49 PM
Update 1280: Another comfortable day for Barbaro. Tom called and he visited Barbaro this afternoon and had him outside. Of course he was blessed with summer weather!
Thanks, Alex ~

VirginiaBred
Jan. 7, 2007, 08:53 AM
Sunday Morning ~

The Barbaro update will be later in the day.

hoofcare
Jan. 7, 2007, 10:50 AM
I did an interview with Dr. Morrison; you can read it on either of my blogs, in slightly different versions:

http://www.hoofcare.blogspot.com
or
http://special.equisearch.com/blog/horsehealth

Please respect the copyright but send anyone you like there via links.

You can "subscribe" (read/check headlines of blog feeds in one place) to either or both blogs if you use the Firefox browser with the Google home page or you can subscribe using regular RSS/XML, I guess. You can subscribe to Alex's updates, too, without having to check the site all the time to see if they are up. Very handy.

I will continue to post updates on the Hoof Blog and, once in a while, on the more general health blog, which was only launched in December.

I really appreciate the comments and insights from your posts, and of course, I appreciate Alex! I even appreciate the hilarious Deadspin posts on Barbaro (most days), you have to keep a sense of humor...

Fran

VirginiaBred
Jan. 7, 2007, 11:04 AM
Thank you Fran! Very interesting blog!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 7, 2007, 11:15 AM
Update 1281: Another comfortable night last night for Barbaro (saturday night). Mrs. Jackson called just after 10 am after her morning visit.
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 7, 2007, 01:10 PM
Update 1282: Gatornation was fourth today at Laurel. He was only beaten about two lengths for everything and almost looked a little unlucky in running. The winner seemed to get a little close to him, and while not taking away his running room seemed to get to the place Gatornation was trying to get to a little quicker.
I went back to Fair Hill to take Hawty Creek out for a pick of grass, and a good grooming. She seemed quite contented after her work and was happy grazing away ... until she heard the local hunt. The hounds were "speaking" and the horns were blowing. Of course that got Hawty Creek's attention, but no worries, the hunt has not caught a fox since we landed a man on the moon.
Barbaro wins another award, Post Gazette's animal of the year: Let the fur fly: Time for the running of the animals, 2006 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07006/751660-192.stm).

:lol:Hilarious! Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 7, 2007, 05:17 PM
www.bloodhorse.com (http://www.bloodhorse.com)

Barbaro Update: New Cast Will Not Affect Mobility

http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=36982

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=2]“It (cast) goes up to the coronet band and doesn’t affect his mobility,” Jackson said. “This is a very routine type of thing that is done with laminitis. It is nothing out of the ordinary. It helps to stabilize things and the foot to grow. He will continue to go out every day.”
Dr. Dean Richardson, chief of surgery at New Bolton, said Jan. 2 that the right hind leg continues to improve and that the greatest concern was with the left hind leg. “Our goal was to give him a leg that would be functional and comfortable enough to live happily,” Richardson said of the original injury.
“The right hind has healed well enough that we are optimistic about that possibility. However, Barbaro’s left hind foot, which had laminitis, remains a more formidable long-term challenge. The foot must grow much more for him to have a truly successful outcome.”


For the whole story please see: http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=36982

VirginiaBred
Jan. 7, 2007, 05:33 PM
Update 1283: Another comfortable day for Barbaro. I just spoke to Tom who visited Barbaro this afternoon. Tom groomed Barbaro and took him out for a nice pick of grass.
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 8, 2007, 08:04 AM
Monday Morning ~

Barbaro's update will be later in the day.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 8, 2007, 11:30 AM
Over 200,000 views on thei thread!!! :eek: :eek: :cool:

ivy62
Jan. 8, 2007, 11:41 AM
will the shape and direction of Barbaro's right hind cause him issues in the future? Will he ever be able to graze like a normal horse?

msj
Jan. 8, 2007, 03:38 PM
Over 200,000 views on thei thread!!! :eek: :eek: :cool:


I'd say this was the MOST popular and long lasting thread in the history of COTH bb. :) :):)

Texarkana
Jan. 8, 2007, 03:49 PM
will the shape and direction of Barbaro's right hind cause him issues in the future? Will he ever be able to graze like a normal horse?

He grazes like a normal horse already. :)

To answer your first question, though, I don't think anyone knows the answer for sure. The everything is fused, so in theory once he regains strength and gets used to using it again, it shouldn't cause him any problems. But no one has a crystal ball that can predict other things that might crop up, like the extent of arthritis, etc. Knowing Barbaro though, he's tough and smart. After all he's endured, I can't imagine something like arthritis significantly bogging him down. He'll figure out how to take care of himself and use his leg best.

Laurierace
Jan. 8, 2007, 04:02 PM
will the shape and direction of Barbaro's right hind cause him issues in the future? Will he ever be able to graze like a normal horse?

He grazes everyday like a normal horse already, so I would say that is a yes. Only time will tell what issues he has in the future.

pawsplus
Jan. 8, 2007, 04:48 PM
He grazes everyday like a normal horse already, so I would say that is a yes. Only time will tell what issues he has in the future.
I think the question maybe was will he be able to graze w/out being held on a lead shank. I.e., will he ever be able to be turned out? I've wondered the same thing . . .

VirginiaBred
Jan. 8, 2007, 04:52 PM
Update 1286: Mrs. Jackson just called, and she visited Barbaro a little later this morning than usual (about noon time). Barbaro remains comfortable.
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 8, 2007, 04:55 PM
I feel as things progress, things will become more normal for Barbaro. He needs to be in therapy, but the other hind foot has become the issue, holding that back. We will just need to believe. He does!

Texarkana
Jan. 8, 2007, 04:58 PM
I think the question maybe was will he be able to graze w/out being held on a lead shank. I.e., will he ever be able to be turned out? I've wondered the same thing . . .

Most likely yes, but again, no one has a crystal ball...

ivy62
Jan. 8, 2007, 06:07 PM
Hey guys I meant turned out loose in a field not being hand grazed...I am concerned at the direction his hoof is at and would it bear the weight so the sole is hitting the ground properly....Nureyev was never able to graze freely he was always hand walked.....

VirginiaBred
Jan. 8, 2007, 06:49 PM
Update 1287: Tom called and confirmed Barbaro was comfortable when he visited and groomed him early afternoon. He was unable to to take him outside, likely due to the persistant rain we had this morning.
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 8, 2007, 06:51 PM
Hey guys I meant turned out loose in a field not being hand grazed...I am concerned at the direction his hoof is at and would it bear the weight so the sole is hitting the ground properly....Nureyev was never able to graze freely he was always hand walked.....

I'm thinking they may use one of the Porta Pads (round pens) for him.

Small, confined turn out.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 9, 2007, 07:37 AM
Tuesday Morning ~

Barbaro's update will be later today.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 9, 2007, 12:35 PM
Update 1289: Mrs. Jackson just called after her morning visit today (tuesday). She reported that Barbaro is OK, but this is a slight downgrade from the status we have become accustomed. He is eating well, but is slightly less comfortable than usual. We know his comfort level will fluctuate through this long journey, this just reminds us we have to stay vigilant with our support for Barbaro. I will endevour to get a further update later today after Tom's visit.
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 9, 2007, 12:41 PM
Please light some candles for Barbaro:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=barba

VirginiaBred
Jan. 9, 2007, 12:46 PM
I feel certain that this is a small dip in the road for Barbaro.
Many of us remember the pain of wearing braces, and each time the orthodontist made an adjustment - it was painful for a day or so.

The cast that has been placed on the foot with laminitis is probably a similiar situation.

vineyridge
Jan. 9, 2007, 12:51 PM
Also, the weather is nasty and cold. My injuries tend to hurt considerably more on such days, even after they are "healed."

Candles have been lit. Thanks to you, VB, Alex, and especially Mrs. Jackson, for being so gracious and caring, not only about the big hoss but about us.

Jessi P
Jan. 9, 2007, 01:33 PM
I know we all have good and bad days, and they are often after something that will get things "stirred up" like the cast change.

Darlin Darren says "That poor [censored] [horse] can't [censored] feel [censored] good EVERY [censored censored] day, he ain't a [censored] machine [censored]." :lol: :lol: :D :winkgrin: :lol: :lol: Use your imagination LOL.

I lit some more candles for da big hoss - jingles and healing thoughts coming to you Barbaro!

Bugs-n-Frodo
Jan. 9, 2007, 01:36 PM
Jingling for our trooper of a boy!

sporthorsefilly
Jan. 9, 2007, 02:39 PM
Take a deep breathe big boy, and stay in stride...you can win this one too.

msj
Jan. 9, 2007, 02:55 PM
More candles lit and I pulled out my curb chain and jingled that a good bit! Here's hoping the discomfort doesn't last or amount to anything!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 9, 2007, 03:09 PM
Update 1290: New Bolton has released an update to explain the new foot cast that was applied last wednesday: Barbaro has new cast applied to his left hind foot (http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/Barbaro_Update1-09.htm):

Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro had a foot cast applied to his left hind foot on January 3, 2007 by Dr. Scott Morrison, an equine podiatry expert from Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital in Lexington, Kentucky. "This cast was applied with the goal of starting to help re-align his coffin bone properly in that foot," said Dr. Dean W. Richardson, Chief of Surgery. "His comfort on that foot has been good since the procedure."
According to Dr. Richardson, radiographs taken on January 8, 2007 "show improved alignment of his coffin bone and continued healing of the fractured right hind pastern region." His condition is stable and a firm decision concerning his discharge from the hospital has not been made."
The next update will be posted on Tuesday, January 16, unless there is a significant change in Barbaro's condition.

Mike Jensen wrote a great article that further explains Barbaro's medical condition: Barbaro will linger for a while in Kennett: Although he's on "low-level medical care," the horse is not yet ready to be sent to Kentucky, his surgeon says. (http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/16414183.htm) This includes the following excerpts:

"Part of it has grown almost to the bottom, pretty much," Richardson said. "The lateral part, the outside part of the hoof wall, is almost all the way to the bottom. But the inside part of the hoof has probably a tenth of that. It's really slow. It's very disparate between the different parts of the foot, and that's going to be a real problem for us."

and

"There are a lot of subtle things involved in treating this type of laminitis, and one of them is making sure that you have the alignment of the coffin bone correct," Richardson said. "And it's almost impossible to do without having something relatively rigid that's encasing his foot, so when Scott Morrison came up, that's what he did. It's basically a cast that holds his foot very firmly, but then on the outside of the cast, there's an actual horseshoe that is glued onto the cast, but at a certain angle so that we can get him back at the correct angle."
Thanks, Alex.

ivy62
Jan. 9, 2007, 08:30 PM
Well no recovery is without set backs and hopefully he will be comfortable again soon....
Okay keep jingling!!!! Go Bobby GO!
VB please pass on THANKS to Alex and Mrs. Jackson for allowing us into their daily lives with Barbaro, I do not know where I would be without these updates....
Your dedication is appreciated more then you all know....

War Admiral
Jan. 9, 2007, 08:44 PM
Thanks so much for the updates as usual, VB.

Lit some candles.

Go, Barbaro!!

Kenike
Jan. 9, 2007, 08:44 PM
Wow, my heart skipped a beat, and not in a good way, when I saw the title. I know bobbles are expected in recoveries, but with horses it always scares me.
Anyway, off to light more candles, give some jingles, and keep praying & believing for the big guy!

P.S. Thanks, again, VB, for all your hard work here. I know you're not alone, but you are the one putting forth the effort on this board. It's appreciated probably more than you know!

Tiempo
Jan. 9, 2007, 08:51 PM
I'm trying to ignore that Dr.Richardson predicted that the Buckeyes would win!!
;)

Horsecrazy27
Jan. 9, 2007, 09:06 PM
Candles lit! VERY VERY thankful for his team and his recovery.... I believe that he will heal!

merrygoround
Jan. 9, 2007, 09:46 PM
Waiting for tomorrow's more upbeat post.

Anxious

skatepixie
Jan. 9, 2007, 10:31 PM
To me, it isnt supprising that he is a little less comfortable. Remember, he is getting used to the new alignment that was reported in the press release.

Joanne
Jan. 9, 2007, 10:35 PM
I was looking for more information on the EVH-positive horses at the University of Connecticut, and on the same page was an article describing the cast recently put on Barbaro.

http://special.equisearch.com/blog/horsehealth/2007_01_01_archive.html

VirginiaBred
Jan. 9, 2007, 10:44 PM
Update 1291: I spoke to Tom, who visited Barbaro this afternoon. Tom said Barbaro appeared comfortable and was eating. Tom was unable to take Barbaro outside.
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 9, 2007, 10:46 PM
All of us need, more than anything else, to stay the course where Big B is concerned.
Come on Team Barbaro, we have done this before!!! This is just a turn in the road.

I'm EBO
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:10 AM
I just lit 3 more candles, now totalling 3,127.

Thanks, VB

sporthorsefilly
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:16 AM
Candles at 3163!

Love heals all wounds. Grow hoof grow!

eggbutt
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:17 AM
Candles lit and chain is jangling. Come on big boy!

Spoilsport
Jan. 10, 2007, 09:47 AM
VB - I've been quiet, but it doesn't mean I haven't been following this thread :) :) :) Just wanted to let you know that there is at least one lurker (I bet there are many of us) jingling for Barbaro and grateful for your updates and Alex's.

BBowen
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:25 AM
VB:

I too don't post often, but I check the thread daily for the latest on Barbaro. Continue to send prayers and jingles for Barbaro. Thank you for your continued support of this thread and keep all of us updated. Many thanks to Alex with his first hand reports.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:37 AM
Updpate 1293: New Bolton Update: Barbaro suffers setback (http://www.vet.upenn.edu/newsandevents/news/Barbaro_Update1-10.htm):

Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro has had a significant setback over the last 24 hours. He became acutely more uncomfortable on his left hind foot. The foot cast was removed and some new separation of the medial (inside) portion of his hoof was found. This required some additional debridement (removal of the damaged tissue) last night.
He is being treated much more aggressively at this time for his discomfort. He is continuing to eat well and is otherwise stable.

Updates will be provided when new information is available.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:46 AM
Update 1294: This AP story includes quotes from Mrs. Jackson: Barbaro suffers significant setback (http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/6354568). The quotes:

"Things were marching along pretty smoothly until this," Barbaro's co-owner Gretchen Jackson said. "We've been there before with him. He's a horse that wants to live."

and

"It's sad that's he's had a setback because he was marching along toward living outside the hospital," Jackson said. "The only thing we care about is that he's not in pain."

and

"I was there yesterday and it was obvious he was not comfortable in that foot," Jackson said. "The easiest and best way to work on Barbaro is when he's laying down. They had to wait until he was laying down and when they removed the cast, they discovered some reason for him feeling pain."
Thanks, alex

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:50 AM
Vigil for Barbaro at 12 Noon Today (1/10) and tonight at 7pm.

Please stop and say a prayer, light some candles and have a moment for this fighter. Please.

Ginger
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:53 AM
Praying for you Barbaro.

Indy
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:58 AM
Jingles and prayers for Bobby. Keep on fighting!!

summerhorse
Jan. 10, 2007, 11:02 AM
This is upsetting but hopefully now they have his pain under control and can work out something else to support his foot. Maybe it was too much change at once.

I wish they'd stop printing he lost his hoof, its the hoof WALL. He'd be dead without 80% of his HOOF!

I'm EBO
Jan. 10, 2007, 11:25 AM
Group *barba* has 3,822 candles from 32 countries

I'm so worried that the experts really aren't taking everything into consideration. It's been just a few years since treatment has turned around, and away, from all the hardware and special shoes, etc.; and it seems that's the protocol they're following. I'm worried that they won't give him time to heal; won't take into consideration that healing is often painful.

OTOH, the people in charge have vast amounts of knowledge and experience, and IF he can be healed, they can help him much better than us laypeople.

I sound like a horseperson.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 11:54 AM
Update 1296: Mrs. Jackson just left a voice-mail (11:00 am) in order to keep us updated. She basically wanted to give an update on how he was doing. Barbaro has no temperature, and when she visited him this morning she brought him his grass and he was eating well. It appears they are working hard to determine the cause of this latest set back so that he gets to equal bearing weight on all his legs. Until that happens he won't be walked outside.
update 11:23 am, wednesday, january 10

StrawberryFelidos
Jan. 10, 2007, 11:57 AM
I have been trying to make a donation to New Bolton Center since hearing the news, but I can't seem to find where to enter my card info so that they can have the donation?
https://galaxy.isc-seo.upenn.edu/pls/devadmin/dvpk0100.nv00?p_school=VT2&p_fund=601296

I thought there used to be a space to enter card info?? They say they will charge my card after pressing enter, yet I haven't given them that information. They must be psychic! :winkgrin:

I'm very sorry to hear that he is taking a turn :cry: He is a very tough horse and he has been through a lot, I give him my prayers!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 11:58 AM
http://www.nbc10.com/sports/10713219/detail.html

Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro suffered a significant setback over the past 24 hours, University of Pennsylvania veterinarians said Wednesday morning.
According to a news release, veterinarians were forced to operate overnight to remove damaged tissue found inside a new separations found inside his hoof.
Before the surgery, Barbaro became increasingly uncomfortable on his hind foot, the release stated. The medical team said they were aggressively treating the horse for his discomfort, and noted that he continued to eat well and was otherwise stable.



Please see the above link for the entire story.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 12:00 PM
I have been trying to make a donation to New Bolton Center since hearing the news, but I can't seem to find where to enter my card info so that they can have the donation?
https://galaxy.isc-seo.upenn.edu/pls/devadmin/dvpk0100.nv00?p_school=VT2&p_fund=601296

I thought there used to be a space to enter card info?? They say they will charge my card after pressing enter, yet I haven't given them that information. They must be psychic! :winkgrin:

I'm very sorry to hear that he is taking a turn :cry: He is a very tough horse and he has been through a lot, I give him my prayers!

Someone has asked about the Fund to Fight Laminitis, that is set up at Penn Vet. Here is the website:
http://www.vet.upenn.edu/giving/laminitisfund_shoe.htm

Or: http://www.vet.upenn.edu/giving/giving_ways.html
There is a telephone number at the bottom, should you have questions.

baywithchrome2
Jan. 10, 2007, 12:00 PM
More jingles for Barbaro! :no::no::no:

Hunter's Rest
Jan. 10, 2007, 12:20 PM
He's a goner. Say prayers but steel yourselves.

Davignport
Jan. 10, 2007, 12:35 PM
Sending lots of prayers and jingles for Bobby. So upsetting to hear of this latest setback but he is a fighter and hopefully God will give him to strength to continue the battle. We are here with you for as long as it takes for you to get well.

Many thanks to VB, Alex and Mrs. Jackson for the continued updates although "thank you" hardly seems enough for all they do to keep us informed.

Off to light lots of candles for our boy..

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 12:46 PM
Update 1297: Mike Jensen, who has been at New Bolton Center all morning had this to report: Barbaro has 'significant setback' in recovery (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/16427090.htm), salient excerpt:

After visiting Barbaro in his stall in the intensive-care unit this morning, co-owner Gretchen Jackson said in an interview in the New Bolton lobby at 10:45 a.m. that the horse doesn't have a temperature and is eating, but as for Barbaro's general comfort level, she said, "He's under drugs. I can't tell."
She had seen him the day before and could tell he wasn't as comfortable because "he just was not using his foot as much."
Jackson mentioned that surgeon Dean Richardson had continually warned of the potential for a setback since the laminitis cropped up in July.
"This is what we were being told the whole time," Jackson said.

Note the interview occured shortly before Mrs. Jackson left a voice-mail, update 1296
Thanks, Alex.

ctjumpers
Jan. 10, 2007, 12:53 PM
Sending lots of prayers and jingles for Bobby. So upsetting to hear of this latest setback but he is a fighter and hopefully God will give him to strength to continue the battle. We are here with you for as long as it takes for you to get well.

Many thanks to VB, Alex and Mrs. Jackson for the continued updates although "thank you" hardly seems enough for all they do to keep us informed.

Off to light lots of candles for our boy..


Ditto Davignport!
i have always read, but never posted, And THANK YOU just doesn't say it!
We're off to the candles also, may the candles burn long and may our boy stay strong and continue to fight another day!
THANK YOU VB FOR YOUR UPDATES!

ivy62
Jan. 10, 2007, 12:55 PM
maybe they should put him back in the sling to get the weight off the other feet? This is a big set back but horses have come thru it but lately treatment has turned away from surgery but now trying to guide the foot with trims and such. I hope they look at ALL options before trying the unthinkable! There is a gentlmen that I know in NE PA who has taken horses with sole penetrating founder and turned them around no fancy casts or shoes. Not saying this is for everyone but it could be an option if they let it. I trust Dr. R. but a surgeon is a surgeon nonetheless, I work with a ton of them, before they get to the end of Barbaro's rope I hope they explore ALL options out there. NO one knows it all and someone else may have something to add that might help from experience not schooling...
Barbaro keep on truckin' there's a TON of people pulling for you!
Jingles from NY and lighhting candles

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:05 PM
Plenty of people share that same thought about him going back in the sling. There are some concerns about that. He is a horse that has severe laminitus, and a compromised blood flow to that hoof already, so if he is up and walking, that helps stimulate the blood flow. His right hind leg is just now gaining strength back, as it is nowhere near what it should be. The sling will not allow for the walking and strength building ne needs to do for both hind legs.
I'm thinking they will forego the sling for now.

Lori T
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:06 PM
How terribly sad. I will be sending lots of jingles for Barbaro.

eks
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:10 PM
Oh this is terrible news...jingling like crazy for Bobby and the team working so hard to help him.

Thanks VB, Alex and Mrs. Jackson for all the updates...I'm sure the reason Barbaro is still with us is because of the love Mrs. Jackson has for him...and her daily grass visits.

ivy62
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:12 PM
has anyone ever tried magnet therapy or physical therapy to increase circulation? there has been lots talk on the barefoot horse list, please no flaming, and some people have had lots of success. I would hope the with the lengths and love that the Jacksons have for their boy they would research anything that might help him. So sometimes you have to look outside the box for answers...
Personally, I can share that I was told to euthanize my horse that he would never be sound even for pasture but with dedication and the willingness to, listen to others that have been through this he is now not only sound but WORKING! If I had listened to everyone including a well respected vet I would not have my horse and my soul mate, please do not tell my husband!
Bobby we wish you well soon!

Coreene
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:17 PM
That's the bitch about laminitis/founder that too many of us have discovered. You think you're heading in the right direction, and it takes a turn in the wrong one. Hope he can come through this.

eggbutt
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:18 PM
I'm sick......prayers, prayers and more prayers. Please Lord let him keep fighting! Oh my. More candles lit.

THANK YOU VB for always being there for all of us.

Kenike
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:19 PM
Aww, crap! I was wondering because he was laying down so much (obviously, I wasn't alone...I saw the posts asking about it), and I guess we now know. I know we're all worried, but I can't even imagine the worry and hurt the Jackson's feel right now.

He's a goner. Say prayers but steel yourselves.

Wow, that was inappropriate! There is nothing to say he's a "goner," only that he is a fighter.

I lit a bunch of candles last night, but I'm off to light more.

moonriverfarm
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:22 PM
I hope we can keep this thread UPBEAT and that the negative energy some posters have can be directed somewhere else. We all know the risks here and don't need to be reminded how precarious Barbaro's position is.

mbj
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:22 PM
Jingling like mad in Unionville. I am a daily lurker here and sooo appreciate the updates. I saw the news van at NBC this am and was worried--I am so sorry there was a real reason for it to be there.

horsehair
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:22 PM
Sending oceans of love and prayers to our boy. I will go light many candles for him. He's a fighter , we musn't give up!!

fish
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:23 PM
Lit a few candles in gratitude for these updates. Recoveries are emotional roller coasters through which everyone can use support.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:31 PM
From: USATODAY.COM

The cast change could have caused some inflammation, said Dr. Kathleen Anderson, Barbaro's attending vet when the horse was racing and stabled in trainer Michael Matz's barn at the Fair Hill Training Center in Elkton, Md.
Anderson said Barbaro has proved he was strong enough to overcome his latest medical obstacle.
"We all know most horses don't get this far," she said. "The bottom line with Barbaro is the fractured leg is the one that would have been the end of most horses. He won't be getting to the big green field any time soon, but I don't think this is insurmountable."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horses/2007-01-10-barbaro-setback_x.htm?csp=34



and

SPORTS SCOPE BLOG: More on Barbaro's status (http://blogs.usatoday.com/sportsscope/2007/01/setback_for_bar.html)

ctjumpers
Jan. 10, 2007, 01:56 PM
I dont think the Jacksons or anyone are being greedy or inhumane! THEY LOVE THEIR HORSE! I don't see them gaining anything from his stay at NB!
I am sure that if it were Barbaros "time" they would know the right thing to do, but they are also listening to the vets and specialists and everyone involved in this great animals fight!
Please keep the jingles coming and continue to light candles!

eggbutt
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:11 PM
www.gratefulness.org (http://www.gratefulness.org) is struggling with the volume of people trying to light candles for B....please be patient and don't give up! Close to 6,000 lit from 37 countries.

We know the power of prayer. Let's keep up our positive thoughts about B and his team.

tbtrailrider
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:12 PM
It's a crying stinking shame this horse has been put through so much by greedy humans. The best thing would be for him to enter his eternal rest in peace. Godspeed to this poor beast. My heart absolutely breaks for him. :no:

Big fat DITTO from me. I have thought this all along, but I have never posted on this thread, I certainly did not want to be the one to start a train wreck, and this is a thread with a very pro life for Barbaro tone, but really people, can you not see that he is in pain? Enough is enough. The intent of this all along was to get this horse in the Breeding shed, I don't care what ANYBODY says. I spent my entire working career in the TB industry in Ky...I know the M O.

Kenike
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:13 PM
Hence the reason Mrs. Jackson has said he's a fighter. She's keeping a close eye on him and isn't dumb to the way horses speak.

eggbutt
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:19 PM
I really appreciate that others don't feel that Barbaro should gone on, but please don't start this here now. Please. Go somewhere else.

Davignport
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:40 PM
PLEASE!!!! Those of you with negative comments/thoughts go somewhere else. While we realize that perhaps not everyone agrees with the treatment Barbaro is getting, this thread is for POSITIVE ENERGY AND THOUGHTS. There are plenty of other places to take the negative discussions - this is not what this thread is about. VB and Alex work VERY HARD to keep all of us informed as to how Barbaro is progressing. This is for those of us who are rooting for him...

flshgordon
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:40 PM
That's right Coreen. Even an otherwise healthy horse is in the fight for his life with founder. And this poor animal has a shattered leg adjacent to the foundered one. I just shake my head every time I read these updates. The inhumanity of people is unbelievable. Dragging a horse's pain and suffering out just because "you can" is most troublesome to me.

Please, PLEASE take the negative crap to another thread.

Pat Ness
Jan. 10, 2007, 02:47 PM
As long as Barbaro wants to fight to stay alive - I'll be there fighting with him.

I also believe this is not about the money they will gain afterwards. Call those of us ignorant that think this way, but I would rather be ignorant then cynical.

Neferteria
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:11 PM
This is my first post on this thread, too. I have have had many, many animals of all kinds over many years. Animals KNOW when it is their time. As long as they want to keep fighting, I keep doing the best I can for them. Whne it is truoy their timw, they know it. I don't think this is about the money at all.

TKR
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:12 PM
My heart and prayers are with Barbaro. He deserves to live and I'll be lighting candles as well. We love you Barbaro and believe you will overcome this setback.
PennyG

Coreene
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:13 PM
Please, PLEASE take the negative crap to another thread.
Um, hello, I didn't post anything negative. And cut the PTs as well please from people thinking it is not okay for me to make a generic comment about laminitis and founder.

HelLO, I went through it myself, we tried all we could and did not have a happy ending. Many people do have one. It was a general observation about laminitis and founder, it was by no means an attack of ANYTHING. Jesus Christ, I make one innocuous comment about laminitis and now I get PTs from zealots who think I'm a bad person because I bothered to say anthing that wasn't kumbayah and candle lighting.

All I said was That's the bitch about laminitis/founder that too many of us have discovered. You think you're heading in the right direction, and it takes a turn in the wrong one. Hope he can come through this. How do I know this? Because I went through it myself. Please note that my last sentence is "Hope he can come through this." Because I do sincerely hope he can. Those of us who have gone through the laminitis/founder know that it is a terrible rollercoaster, and I know from personal experience with Willem that something as minor as changing a cast or rewrapping a foot can cause a problem.

Kimberlee
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:18 PM
jingles for Barbaro


PS - how do you light candles? I tried looking through this thread and on the website but wasn't sure. Do you get a candle for donating money?

Corenne - sorry that your post was taken out of context.

merrygoround
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:19 PM
Two Simple--You are just that Too Too Simple(minded). You and tbtrailraider need to go away, and take your ignorant negative vibes with you. :mad:

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:21 PM
Rachel, from Kennett Florist had this to report re: their visit to New Bolton today (comment timestamp: 7:43 pm):

Alie and I just got back from NBC. Things are a bit subdued for obvious reasons, but we seemed to lift their spirits with some snacks and chocolates. We delivered Big Boss's favorites; baby green tops, pears and spearmints, with all your well wishes of "hang in there!" Keep your spirits up FOB's, as he's shown us before, Barbaro is a fighter. Keep those candles lit and good thoughts coming! We are with you in prayer for B, the Jackson's and the staff of NBC.
On a side note (just for grins), we also made up a special arrangement of blue, orange and white with a big ole gator in the center for Dr R... Sorry Buckeye fans, couldn't help it!! We figured he could use a smile today!
WE BELIEVE!!!
Rach at KF

Update 1298: Jeannine Edwards just called, she will be a guest on "The Hot List" on ESPN News which begins at 3 pm today, she thinks she will be on (via telephone) at about 3:30 pm. Jeannine spoke to Mrs. Jackson at length to prepare for this show and shared with me some of their conversation. I did learn from this that Barbaro is now using the sling to help him keep excessive weight off his other legs.
Mike Schuh (and Eric) just came to Fair Hill and interviewed me with Hawty Creek in preparation for a Barbaro update they will be running on tonight's news (5 pm and 6 pm), WBAL WJZ Eyewitness News.
Thanks, Alex.

msj
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:35 PM
Coreene, I didn't read anything negative in your comments even if a few others did. You did have your share of pain and suffering with your boy and I'm sure you know just how the Jackson's feel. :) :)

As for the couple of negative posters, please take your negativity elsewhere:rolleyes: - start your own thread about it, but leave this thread alone. It is for positive vibes for Barbaro. Thank you.

More candles lit and curb chains jingling for Bobby!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:36 PM
To light candles, please click on the link in my signature.

ctjumpers
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:37 PM
THANK YOU for the updates Alex!
Kimberlee ~ at the bottom of VB's posts you see a link to gratefulness and that takes you directly to the candle page! Click on an unlit candle and then just follow the rest!
PLEASE PLEASE lets get back to the purpose at hand and not turn this into a thread that we start attacking each other! There is enough fighting in the world, please, I beg you, dont bring it here! We are all here because we are praying for the great Barbaro! We have all been thru one tragedy or another with our four legged friends! Some of us have even had the terror of dealing with laminitis/founder! But the Jackson, Alex, everyone at NBC and America love Barbaro! They all know what is right for him and they are doing it because of love, no other reason...
PLEASE continue to light candles and Pray for Barbaro, he would have been our Triple Crown Champion!

caffeinated
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:39 PM
Two Simple, why don't you write to New Bolton and enlighten these so-called "top veterinarians" on sugar, since obviously they have no clue?

Kenike
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:42 PM
Coreene, I also did not direct my thoughts toward you (in fact, I missed your post!). Mine was directed to those who are throwing the "inhumane" comments around.

TwoSimple, I seriously doubt Barbaro's medical staff would allow something that would harm him. THEY know what's going on with him, what to give him, etc. YOU do not. And it's not like he's living on a diet of sugar, anyway. Not to mention his founder is from injury, not diet. As has been suggested and asked: take your comments elsewhere. Start your own thread. This one is for information and upbeat attitudes.

Back on track, I wanted the Buckeyes to win the other night, as well, but I think it's funny about the Gator thing they sent to NBC. Thanks for the giggle!

Appassionato
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:54 PM
Are there any current shots of Barbero that are full shots? Or just head shots?

flshgordon
Jan. 10, 2007, 03:56 PM
Um, hello, I didn't post anything negative. And cut the PTs as well please from people thinking it is not okay for me to make a generic comment about laminitis and founder.

HelLO, I went through it myself, we tried all we could and did not have a happy ending. Many people do have one. It was a general observation about laminitis and founder, it was by no means an attack of ANYTHING. Jesus Christ, I make one innocuous comment about laminitis and now I get PTs from zealots who think I'm a bad person because I bothered to say anthing that wasn't kumbayah and candle lighting.

All I said was That's the bitch about laminitis/founder that too many of us have discovered. You think you're heading in the right direction, and it takes a turn in the wrong one. Hope he can come through this. How do I know this? Because I went through it myself. Please note that my last sentence is "Hope he can come through this." Because I do sincerely hope he can. Those of us who have gone through the laminitis/founder know that it is a terrible rollercoaster, and I know from personal experience with Willem that something as minor as changing a cast or rewrapping a foot can cause a problem.

Sorry Coreene, I wasn't intending to pick out your post, it is really Two Simple's attitude I have had enough of!:rolleyes: I have no doubt in my mind you would always have the horse's best interest at heart. Your post was valid, TS's was completely unnecessary

And I haven't sent ANYONE any PTs

flshgordon
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:02 PM
That's real nice. A horse suffering of life threatening founder and they just keep throwing on the sugars. :cry: How many of us would keep pouring the sugars to a foundered horse? I swear to god my heart bleeds for this poor animal. This is the same bitch I had 3 or 4 months ago. The animal is foundering but he just keeps getting all the sweets his little mouth can vacuum up. But my sincerest jingles and hopes are for Barbaro to get relief in one form or another. Sometimes death is your best friend. And if he manages to survive this, I hope beyond the highest level of hope that he is able to be comfortable for the remainder of his life.

This is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard but hey....I bet if you called NBC up and told them they had no idea what they were doing by killing this horse with sugar they would fall on their knees to thank you. This horse is getting the best medical care money can buy so why don't you spend your energy running your mouth somewhere you know what you're talking about.

But my sincerest jingles and hopes are for Barbaro to get relief in one form or another.

gee that means so much after all you've just said......:rolleyes:

eggbutt
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:12 PM
Come on ya'll....let's stop the negativity. Two Simple has her opinion but let's not get absorbed in dark thoughts or start bashing others.

I believe after all this time, infrequent visitors to this thread don't have a clue that many of us have followed this every single day as though Barbaro was our own horse and many are an emotional wreck at the news that his condition has changed to the negative. So please have some compassion and think before posting.

jilltx
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:14 PM
I just clicked on the video story on the front page of Yahoo! and I have to say I was quite shocked by his way of moving. I'm not quite sure what I expected, but that right hind sure looks... :eek:

Will he ever have a better range of motion?

*Jingles* for the laminitis. :no:

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:15 PM
From The New York Times:

Barbaro Suffers ‘Significant Setback’
George Widman/Associated Press
By JOE DRAPE
Published: January 10, 2007

“There was an area of his hoof where he was bothered by the cast and by getting that cast off he has already shown some relief,” Mr. Jackson said in a telephone interview shortly after visiting Barbaro. “I just left him and he was eating away at the hay, standing and putting weight on it better. The way it was explained to me was the tissue removed was like getting an in-grown toenail removed.”
Mr. Jackson said that as a longtime horse owner he understood that the health of a horse could change “day to day or sometimes minute to minute.”
He and his wife have spent tens of thousands of dollars on Barbaro and have said repeatedly they would continue to do so as long as the colt can be pain free and shows a will to live. Mr. Jackson said Barbaro looked like he was meeting those standards.
“Hopefully this is just a hitch in the road,” he said. “All we can do is give him the best care and say our prayers".

For the complete story, go to www.newyorktimes.com

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:21 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/horse/news/story?id=2726317

Barbaro has laminitis setback, more hoof removed

KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. -- Barbaro's surgeon is "pulling out all the stops" to help the Kentucky Derby winner after he suffered a significant setback in his recovery from laminitis.
"They're taking extreme measures," Jackson said. "They're treating it very aggressively. They're really pulling out all the stops to help him."
Jackson said she brought Barbaro grass on Wednesday morning and said the colt's appearance was "not as bright." But she added her husband, Roy, visited Barbaro later in the day and his appearance had visibly improved.

eggbutt
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:22 PM
“Hopefully this is just a hitch in the road,” he said. “All we can do is give him the best care and say our prayers".

For the complete story, go to www.newyorktimes.com (http://www.newyorktimes.com)

Amen.

Well over 6,600 candles are burning brightly.

Kimberlee
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:24 PM
Candle Lit!!!

(closest icon for candle)

Auventera Two
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:35 PM
Um - everyone is allowed an opinion guys. And when the subject turned to Barbaro on a Horse Care forum thread, we were told to discuss it on the Barbaro thread - not on that thread....

Anyway every single person here wants the very best for the HORSE. And my opinion is that maybe the very best thing for the HORSE might be to escape this pain and terribly unnatural lifestyle forever. Let him gallop and run with his buddies over the rainbow bridge. Seeing him strung up in a sling with tubes and painful feet and legs for month after month rips my heart out. So much in fact that I can't hardly bear to look at photos of him.

When my old childhood horse crossed the bridge, I knew it was the best for her weary and worn body. She was free from the binds of this world and while it was the worst thing for ME, it was the best thing for HER. Keeping a horse alive just to get him into the breeding shed breaks my heart. :cry: :( I wish the best for this animal and I wish for it fast.

monday
Jan. 10, 2007, 04:36 PM
Candle Lit here too. My heart just sank when I read about the set-backs, but I have faith that he will pull through!

StrawberryFelidos
Jan. 10, 2007, 05:06 PM
Candle lit here, too! :D Real and digitized versions :winkgrin:

Go Barbaro!!!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 05:14 PM
Thanks, Alex ~
Update 1300: I visited New Bolton and placed some new posters on the fence line. Funnily enough, as I was leaving, a car in front of me also leaving New Bolton had stopped to take some pictures of all the posters ... nice to observe. I saw Mike Jensen, Ed. Fountaine and a reporter from the AP (sorry, I was introduced by I am useless with names). We chatted for about ten minutes. NBC10 had a truck there, so I assume they will be broadcasting an update tonight.
On my way back from New Bolton, I got a call from Joe Drape at the New York Times ... he was looking for someone's number ... we chatted for a while and he asked me what I thought, I said that judging from the tone of voice from Mrs. Jackson's voice-mail I was not overly concerned, and he noted the same thing from a conversation he had had with Mr. Jackson. That conversation turned into this article: Barbaro Suffers 'Significant Setback' (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/10/sports/othersports/11barbaro.html?_r=2&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin). Here are the relevant excerpts:

"There was an area of his hoof where he was bothered by the cast and by getting that cast off he has already shown some relief," Jackson said in a telephone interview shortly after visiting Barbaro. "I just left him and he was eating away at the hay, standing and putting weight on it better. The way it was explained to me was the tissue removed was like getting an in-grown toenail removed."

and

He and his wife have spent tens of thousands of dollars on Barbaro's care and have said repeatedly they would continue to do so as long as the colt can be free of pain and shows a will to live. Jackson said Barbaro appeared to be meeting those standards.
"Hopefully this is just a hitch in the road," he said. "All we can do is give him the best care and say our prayers."

annikak
Jan. 10, 2007, 05:20 PM
Oh Barbaro-
It is hard news to hear, and yes it's hard to look at him walking like that. But he does not appear to be in pain in the video they showed a few weeks ago. I concur that the Jacksons and NBC and Richardson would not keep going if it were not the best interest of the horse...and perhaps the entire Barbaro Team members (meaning us!). This horse is bigger then himself in all sorts of ways and his improvement (and setbacks) seem to set a tambor to the day, week and months of recovery. His pain seems to be shared by all, as well as his recovery.

Off to light candles-
Go Bobby Go!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 05:24 PM
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070110/SPORTS08/70110021

courier-journal.com

......................Meanwhile, the Lexington veterinary foot specialist brought in as a consultant said Wednesday that Barbaro’s condition is back where he was in July.

Dr. Scott Morrison of Lexington’s Rood & Riddle Equine Hospital — who put a specialized cast on the foot a week ago — said a serious problem is that true hoof wall has been regenerating only on the outer half of the colt’s left hind foot.

The inner half (the portion facing his right leg) had only some original hoof wall tissue and “some thin, pliable tissue his body is producing,” he said.

Morrison said that tissue is not strong enough to support Barbaro’s weight, causing the separation.

“It’s all part of that same story,” Morrison said. “This is all part of that rehabilitation of the foot. The horse’s foot had a grim prognosis in July, and I wouldn’t say that’s changed much yet.”

The difference now, he said, is the discomfort level that Barbaro is feeling.

“For a foot to rehabilitate, it’s got to grow hoof wall around all regions of the foot,” Morrison said. “Not just half. The fact that he’s growing half a foot doesn’t mean he’s half-way there. You have to show signs of true growth everywhere.

“He’s still in the process of recovering from that initial episode … The reason the prognosis was grim back then is there are a lot of secondary complications that can occur when you’re trying to grow back a foot.

“And this is one of the complications here, but hopefully just one of the bumps in the road. Hopefully we can find a way to get over it and go on and give him more time and hopefully he’ll grow that wall that he needs to do.”

Click on the link above for the complete story

cartera45
Jan. 10, 2007, 05:33 PM
Just saw the report on Barbaro with Alex on the local Baltimore station.

monstrpony
Jan. 10, 2007, 05:43 PM
Lots of Jingles for Barbaro.

It's not our decision to make; all we can do is support the people in the middle of it with our best wishes and trust in them to do what's best.

Our "opinions" don't mean squat, so there ain't much point in stating them, no? At least not more than once or twice ... :rolleyes:

Off to light a few more candles; that's all I can do :cry:

ivy62
Jan. 10, 2007, 05:46 PM
My heart sank when I read the stories, but I have faith all those concerned that if he was ready to cross the rainbow bridge they would let him freely....so until then GO BOBBY GO!!!!!!

I have always felt a closeness in this group all routing for the same thing each with our stories some with good endings others not but it is all experience gained....I can say that getting a hoof to grow is not easy! been there done that,

Still lighting candles and jingling hard in NY!!!!!!!

sid
Jan. 10, 2007, 06:00 PM
Mine just sank too when I read a brief story about his on the AOL news screen...all my fingers and toes are crossed that this is only a temporary setback.

summerhorse
Jan. 10, 2007, 06:05 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about Barbaro being in pain. He's in the ICU of one of the best vet hospitals in the WORLD. The fact that he is up eating and brighter already shows that they are aggressively treating his pain and he should soon be a happy horse indeed. We should all feel so good. Once the pain is relieved he'll be back to "normal" for him and they can try something else with the hoof. Since his laminitis is not related to insulin resistance i doubt a few peppermints or carrots will hurt him a bit.

The fact that he is not growing normal hoof in that one area means probably that area of the coronary band was damaged. whether it will recover or not just remains to be seen. BUT horses can live with this once the rest of the hoof grows back. I read a story in Equus about a mare that cleaved off a good section of her hoof (not the wall, the HOOF) and after much nursing and about a year she did grow a horn like covering (similar to the frog) over that area where there was no coronary band to generate hoof. She was even rideable. Once the rest grows in they should be able to try different shoes and patches to cover that area until scar tissue covers it. The trick will be to keep him from sinking in the meantime. Perhaps they can make a shoe/cast with a window over that area of abnormal tissue and transfer the weight off it while still giving support (maybe more gradual this time?) to his coffin bone.

While it seems a set back to be back in the sling at least he knows how to use it and hopefully that will keep any of his OTHER feet from getting laminitis. That would be the end I'm sure. The horse is a fighter and until he says he is ready to give up he should be allowed to live. if it becomes obvious that the pain cannot be controlled or the foot goes south in a big way then I'm sure they will put him down. But you can always put them down, you can't bring them back and I've seen horses come back after you'd SWEAR they were ready to kill THEMSELVES and recover fully. nobody ever said it would be easy.

lizathenag
Jan. 10, 2007, 06:44 PM
How closely are you following barbaro's health?
A lot 47%
Some 40%
Not at all 13%
Total Votes: 4,745

of course only those following the story would click through to get to the poll.

(I voted a lot!)

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 07:05 PM
Update 1302: Alex just spoke to Mrs. Jackson (6 pm) and there is no new update to report on Barbaro's condition.

lizathenag
Jan. 10, 2007, 07:18 PM
How closely are you following barbaro's health?
A lot 47%
Some 40%
Not at all 13%
Total Votes: 8,597

tbtrailrider
Jan. 10, 2007, 07:21 PM
I just clicked on the video story on the front page of Yahoo! and I have to say I was quite shocked by his way of moving. I'm not quite sure what I expected, but that right hind sure looks... :eek:

Will he ever have a better range of motion?

*Jingles* for the laminitis. :no:


No:no:

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 07:22 PM
Update 1303: Here is the piece from WBAL Channel 13 WJZ News: Kentucky Derby Winner Suffers a Set back to Injured Hoof (http://wjz.com/video/?id=24022@wjz.dayport.com). You won't learn anything new, you will see Alex and Hawty Creek in a segment of the piece.

Sansena
Jan. 10, 2007, 07:32 PM
I wonder; does anyone know if they're using any oxygen therapy on to help speed healing after surgery?

Frog
Jan. 10, 2007, 07:42 PM
I did not realize he couldn't really walk. I'm not sure the word "recovery" should have been applied to that kind of motion.

ivy62
Jan. 10, 2007, 07:42 PM
Now that you mention it, more then o2 therapy, I wonder if HBO therapy would work? Just a thought......
This is a very smart horse and he will figure it out I am sure......

mairzeadoats
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:02 PM
[QUOTE=Two Simple;2131141]That's real nice. A horse suffering of life threatening founder and they just keep throwing on the sugars. :cry: How many of us would keep pouring the sugars to a foundered horse? I swear to god my heart bleeds for this poor animal. This is the same bitch I had 3 or 4 months ago. The animal is foundering but he just keeps getting all the sweets his little mouth can vacuum up.

QUOTE]

Excess carbs/inability to digest carbs is just one of many, many causes of laminitis and founder. In Barbaro's situation, the cause is known and quite well understood. It is understood so well that they knew exactly the weeks at which he would be at most risk of developing laminitis and which foot would be most at risk...and it developed exactly on schedule and where anticipated. It was 100% due to too much weight bearing on the left hind while the fractures were healing.

It had nothing to do with carbs in his diet. Nothing. In fact, keeping weight on him has been a bigger problem by far than excess carbs in his diet.

As to the nasty little comment suggesting the Jackson's were only keeping Barbaro alive for breeding, well there's an old Chinese saying you may want to contemplate the next time you start to type. "It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool then open your mouth and remove all doubt."

War Admiral
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:06 PM
I agree with Coreene - sometimes it works out the way you want it to, sometimes it does not. Obviously I'm one of the believers - but I'd like to think I'm a sensible one who understands that this whole thing could go South at any moment. We are all jingling and praying here, and I'm off to light another candle or several in a few mins from the Avemesiter, the Penny Princess, and me.

I would remind the TwoSimples and TBTrails of this world that if I had listened to negative people like y'all eight years ago, my beloved Avery would be six feet under, rather than GALLOPING happily up hill and down dale organizing pasture races for his herd - and having a 100% win record.

Avery is Barbaro's great-great-uncle. Blood tells. THAT is why I believe in Barbaro. Even when the vets said to put him down, *Avery* continued to believe that he was going to be just fine, thank you very much, and he never gave up on himself. From ALL of the evidence we have seen, Barbaro has that same spirit. He inherited it from all the great-hearted TBs in his pedigree, the same way Avery did.

I have complete faith in the Jacksons to make the right decision IF - and to my mind, it's a huuuuuuuuuuuuge if - Barbaro ever decides it's time to give up the fight. He will let them know, and they will listen.

So now I'm putting the lot of you on ignore. I would suggest that if you want to post anything negative, you start your own thread for that, and conduct yourselves as ignorantly of the facts as you may wish.

The rest of us BELIEVE IN BARBARO. Go, Bobby, go!

R D Lite
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:12 PM
I have not posted on this thread before, but I've been following it every day. Barbaro first entered New Bolton while my own Thoroughbred was in the hospital here in Montana, and Barbaro's story gave me a lot of hope while I was struggling with the ups and downs of my own horse's illness.

My boy lost his fight, but now that I've been through something like this, where you always second-guess yourself and everyone ELSE has an opinion, I won't ever presume to judge from afar. I can't tell you how many people "knew" what I should do about my horse. Some of them said I should have put him down earlier, and some say I did it too soon. Interestingly enough, some of them are the same people. Barbaro's owners and caretakers know him, his vets know him, and they will do what is best. In these situations there is not always a simple right and a simple wrong. Those of us who have had horses with a lot of heart know that it might not be quantifiable, but it has a definite impact on the decisions we make.

Best wishes and good thoughts to Barbaro and his crew. Come on, buddy--we're pulling for you!

appaloosalady
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:15 PM
I agree with Coreene - sometimes it works out the way you want it to, sometimes it does not. Obviously I'm one of the believers - but I'd like to think I'm a sensible one who understands that this whole thing could go South at any moment. We are all jingling and praying here, and I'm off to light another candle or several in a few mins from the Avemesiter, the Penny Princess, and me.

I would remind the TwoSimples and TBTrails of this world that if I had listened to negative people like y'all eight years ago, my beloved Avery would be six feet under, rather than GALLOPING happily up hill and down dale organizing pasture races for his herd - and having a 100% win record.

Avery is Barbaro's great-great-uncle. Blood tells. THAT is why I believe in Barbaro. Even when the vets said to put him down, *Avery* continued to believe that he was going to be just fine, thank you very much, and he never gave up on himself. From ALL of the evidence we have seen, Barbaro has that same spirit. He inherited it from all the great-hearted TBs in his pedigree, the same way Avery did.

I have complete faith in the Jacksons to make the right decision IF - and to my mind, it's a huuuuuuuuuuuuge if - Barbaro ever decides it's time to give up the fight. He will let them know, and they will listen.

So now I'm putting the lot of you on ignore. I would suggest that if you want to post anything negative, you start your own thread for that, and conduct yourselves as ignorantly of the facts as you may wish.

The rest of us BELIEVE IN BARBARO. Go, Bobby, go!

Bravo War Admiral :) Very well said!

War Admiral
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:17 PM
Well said, R D Lite.

Bugs-n-Frodo
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:21 PM
I am just so sad for our boy! I am jingling for him and even though I do not post everyday, I check this thread.

TS, you should be a vet if you think you know more than Barbaro's Vet. Seriously, I tend to trust the vets who are taking care of this lovely boy reather than the OPINION of someone who has probably not even seen Barbaro close up, let alone TAKEN MEDICAL CARE of him for the past SEVERAL months. Please do not bring your negative comments over here to this thread, we are here to support Barbaro and send POSITIVE THOUGHS AND WISHES.

I work in the medical field, though, I AM NOT a Doctor, and I have to say, his hitch in his get-alog does not shock me. I know some people do not think it will improve, but I think it will. Will he ever move completely normal? Doubt it, but I do think it will improve dramatically as he gains strength and balance again. My father had a similar injury to his wrist, which I KNOW is not weight baring, but you'd be surprised how much lack of motion in your wrist effects your daily life. After he had his surguries on it, then PT and then the best healer, TIME, he uses it QUITE well, and has adpated quite well to it's limitations. Nobody would EVER know he even had a "bad" wrist if they did not know it happened. I am not saying Barbaro will get to THAT point, but he will improve.

Bugs-n-Frodo
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:23 PM
GO BOBBY GO!!!!!

Laurierace
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:42 PM
I don't know why we are discussing how the right hind looks and moves when that isn't an issue at the moment but......if you scroll back about a hundred some pages you will see that the joints were fused in the initial surgery. That was the idea all along, to have no movement whatsoever in the ankle joint, therefore lending stability to the entire lower leg. I know its not the prettiest thing in the world, but it is doing what they intended at the moment.
Now on to the problematic left hoof, I do agree that the news is upsetting, but isn't a doom and gloom thing yet by any means. I didn't think he had a snowballs chance when they resected 80 plus percent of his hoof. Now they had to resect a small portion, maybe 10% over again. Heck by comparison that's nothing.
Truthfully it really doesn't matter whether any of us believe he should be put down. It's not our decision, and I assure you the people with whom the decision does lie could give a crap what any of us think. Let's not waste time nor mental energy discussing the irrelevant and keep the discussion on a positive theme.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 10, 2007, 08:52 PM
Barbaro has 11,163 Candles from over 43 countries.

eks
Jan. 10, 2007, 09:04 PM
just lit some more...hope he is sleeping well tonight

*jumper*
Jan. 10, 2007, 09:26 PM
One more time. That's all we need of him. He's surprised us twice now, surviving when no one expected him to. If only he can do this one more time and fight back like he's done so well these past months. In some cases, I'd say why put him through the pain, but he has proven time and time again that he wants to live. His attitude is impeccable and his strength and willingness to live are imposing. He deserves this, because he's fought every step of the way to keep his life. He is truly an inspiration to me every single day...if I only had an ounce of the outlook and perseverance he did I would be a much better person. Barbaro just has to fight back one more time...for him, his doctors, his fans. He's gotten this far...and hey, he's got an unbeaten record to uphold;) Prayers for an amazing horse.

War Admiral
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:23 PM
Group *barba* has 12,047 candles from 47 countries.

Mardi
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:32 PM
now it's 12,111 !

Sugarbrook
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:32 PM
Just lit another. I believe!!!!! He remains in my thoughts and prayers.

Claddagh
Jan. 10, 2007, 10:43 PM
This latest news about Barbaro breaks my heart. :cry: He has fought so long and so hard that this setback just doesn't seem fair. But he is ALL HEART and he will take this in stride, adapt, and fight on - I just know it! :yes:

And this incredible colt couldn't be in a finer hospital, with finer doctors and team players. He is also blessed with having wonderful owners who have demonstrated that they will do whatever he needs them to do in order to help him win this fight.

And we can't forget the rest of us on Team Barbaro! Just look at the candle count (12,125 from 45 countries - and growing by the minute). :eek: I've been lighting candles every day for Bobby - and tonight have lit many, many more. So many prayers are being offered for Barbaro - our miracle just has to happen.

Stay strong, rest, and keep your great spirit Bobby - you CAN do this! :yes:

BasqueMom
Jan. 11, 2007, 12:06 AM
Follow this thread almost daily and have lit my share of candles. Apparently,
so have a lot of other people--don't think this many candles were lit last summer when things were at their lowest.

If candles can heal, Barbaro should have it made. If not, there is no doubt in my mind that his people will do what's best for him. My impression has always been that his recovery has been about him, not about money.

And Alex, as always, thank you for the updates!

Atypical
Jan. 11, 2007, 01:01 AM
Jingles and prayers. My heart sank when I read the updated topic. I am sure the Jackson's will do what is best for their beloved boy.

Kenike
Jan. 11, 2007, 01:20 AM
12,502 candles lit! YAY!

But it looks like a bunch are going to be burning out soon....let's keep up for our favorite fighter.

:)

irishannie
Jan. 11, 2007, 07:40 AM
Hope we get a better report this morning. I'm waiting and watching this board for some news.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 07:41 AM
Thursday Morning ~

Update 1304: Lots of media coverage of Barbaro as you can imagine. For now I will highlight the articles written by the writers who were at New Bolton yesterday:
Mike Jensen: Serious setback puts Barbaro back in sling (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/16431329.htm)
Ed Fountaine: BARBARO SUFFERS SERIOUS SETBACK (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01112007/sports/barbaro_suffers_serious_setback_sports_ed_fountain e.htm)
AP guy: Vets: Derby ace Barbaro is 'a horse that wants to live' (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/10/barbaro.setback.ap/index.html)
This article also includes a brief comment from Michael Matz: Doctors upbeat despite setback for Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/horses/2007-01-10-barbaro-setback_x.htm)
And of course, people around the world are getting the news: Barbaro suffers major setback (http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2007/01/029.shtml)
Lets keep positive thoughts for Barbaro.
Thanks, Alex

captain
Jan. 11, 2007, 07:46 AM
in reference to his current way of going, it was previously mentioned that specifically due to his left hoof integrity and status, he had NOT been able to work theraputically. the left hoof, or lack of, has become the primary concern. fair enough, and rightly so apparently.

anyone that has experienced even half a fracture as Barbaro can agree that the recovery process is no party, no matter what the prognosis is. neither is physical therapy.


to R D Lite, ever sorry for your painful loss.

to War Admiral, so very well said. post #3393

to VirginiaBred, the usual: thank you : )

Boston Chicken
Jan. 11, 2007, 07:47 AM
Thank you, VB. My heart simply aches for him and his owners, doctors and all of his loved ones :cry: I sincerely hope that whatever is best for him long term, will be done.

Pulling for him :cry:

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 08:12 AM
From the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/sports/othersports/11barbaro.html

Barbaro was said to be resting comfortably last night after his months of slow, smooth recovery were interrupted by 36 hours of pain caused by damaged tissue in his left hind hoof.
Barbaro has been trying to regrow a hoof destroyed by laminitis.
The colt’s owners, Roy and Gretchen Jackson, and the veterinarian who cared for him while he was racing, Dr. Kathleen Anderson, said yesterday that they remained optimistic that Barbaro would fully recover. They indicated that this latest setback, part of a long and harrowing convalescence, was not as serious as previous episodes.
Each of them visited Barbaro and said the colt’s condition was improving as the day went on. Anderson said Barbaro was eating well and resting quietly in his stall in the intensive care unit of the George D. Widener Hospital for Large Animals in Kennett Square, Pa., when she left him in the late afternoon.
“I do not think it as dire as it was in July,” Anderson

eggbutt
Jan. 11, 2007, 08:36 AM
Great news! Tremendous thank you as always VB! Off to light my candles for today.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 08:42 AM
New Bolton should release an update later today.

Auventera Two
Jan. 11, 2007, 08:45 AM
I did not realize he couldn't really walk. I'm not sure the word "recovery" should have been applied to that kind of motion.

That's right. It's not. :cry:

eggbutt
Jan. 11, 2007, 09:04 AM
Two Simple....please don't start again today.

slpeders
Jan. 11, 2007, 09:30 AM
Group *barba* has 13,126 candles from 44 countries.

How cool is that?

Continuing to wish for the best outcome for Barbaro....

holmes
Jan. 11, 2007, 09:33 AM
I did not realize he couldn't really walk. I'm not sure the word "recovery" should have been applied to that kind of motion.

The way to understand his gait is to walk around with your knee locked - you are now walking quite peculiarly however are in no real pain nor discomfort.

I really do hope he pulls through - Ruffian did not make it out of surgery, Alydar made it one day out, Barbaro's victory would be a great step forward.

Equine Connection
Jan. 11, 2007, 09:43 AM
Thanks so much to those people who provide these essential updates on a daily basis. Our thoughts and prayers continue for Barbaro and his entire team that he will continue to overcome these setbacks and continue the healing process. What incredible character and determination you have, Barbaro -- and such class! Godspeed Barbaro. Gotta go; more candles to light!

mareseatoats
Jan. 11, 2007, 09:49 AM
To Alex Brown and if you're reading this, thank you so much. If it weren't for you, this entire thread wouldn't be possible. I for one would be biting my nails off. You're doing a great job.

Indy
Jan. 11, 2007, 09:51 AM
Thursday morning jingles for Barbaro!!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 09:56 AM
New Bolton Update:

Barbaro is stable and acceptably comfortable

January 11, 2007

KENNETT SQUARE, PA —Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro’s management has been changed to include sling support for several hours during the day, according to Dr. Dean W. Richardson, Chief of Surgery. “He is getting up and down on his own and continues to eat and have stable vital signs. Radiographs (X-rays) taken yesterday revealed no additional complications in either hind leg. We are considering several additional therapeutic options at this time. He is stable and acceptably comfortable.”

Barbaro remains in the Intensive Care Unit at Penn’s George D. Widener Hospital for Large Animals.


Updates will be provided when new information is available.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 10:15 AM
From the AP
http://msn.foxsports.com/horseracing/story/6355202

.....................Co-owner Gretchen Jackson said Thursday that Barbaro was not in pain, feeling better and had a "decent night."
"He was doing well," Jackson said. "They're being aggressive in treating it. I think it makes it sound worse than it is."



Dr. Scott Morrison, who applied the cast on Jan. 3, called the latest development "a bump in the road" and said Barbaro "can possibly overcome it.
"When a horse tries to grow back an entire hoof capsule like Barbaro is, complications are expected along the way," added Morrison, the head of podiatry service at Rood and Riddle Equine Hospital in Lexington, Ky. "While the foot is growing back, there is some wall structure and tissue that becomes compromised along the way and has to be removed."
Though Morrison wasn't present at New Bolton when Richardson removed the loose tissue, he believes Barbaro's condition has not regressed or gone "back to square one."
"But I wouldn't say the prognosis is good for the foot," he cautioned. "It's still grim. He still has to grow a hoof wall for his prognosis to improve. There's still a long road ahead."
Gretchen Jackson brought Barbaro fresh grass and said the colt's appearance was "not as bright" when she saw him Wednesday morning. But, she said, the colt had visibly improved later in the day when her husband, Roy, visited.
The cast change could have caused some inflammation, said Dr. Kathleen Anderson, Barbaro's attending vet when the horse was racing and stabled in trainer Michael Matz's barn at the Fair Hill Training Center in Elkton, Md.
Anderson said Barbaro has proved he was strong enough to overcome his latest medical obstacle.

eggbutt
Jan. 11, 2007, 11:58 AM
Merrygoround, thanks for the tip!:yes: :yes:

Virginiabred, thank you again. You have been so dedicated for months in keeping us informed and searching out information and squashing rumors. Thank you and your support team very, very, very much.

Having gone through bouts of laminitis with one of our incredible horses, I certainly do understand how low the valleys can become. Reading your updates every morning is akin to going to the barn every morning to be sure everything is ok and as it should be. When a dip in the progress occurs, it's hard to deal with for many of us - as realistic and experienced as some of us are.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 12:31 PM
Thanks, Tim/Alex~

Update 1308: Still no further updates this morning. I did want to highlight the following two articles as they include quotes from Dr. Kathy Anderson, Barbaro's Fair Hill vet:
Barbaro suffers 'significant setback' (http://delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/SPORTS/701110344/1002), excerpt:

"I feel the horse will fight it like he has all his other setbacks," said Dr. Kathleen Anderson, Barbaro's former attending veterinarian, who visited the horse on Tuesday and Wednesday. "You can't give up, because he won't. You just stick with the program. I'm hopeful this too shall pass."

Barbaro Set Back by Damage to a Hoof (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/sports/othersports/11barbaro.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin), excerpt:

"He was looking ready and forward to big green pasture --- we all wanted it for him," she said. "This sets things back, but not all the way to six months ago." She added: "It's not an overwhelming problem; it can heal given enough time. We all have to dig down and regroup. He's had better days, but he's had a lot more worse ones, too. He's a fighter."

Update 1307: As of mid-morning all seems to be quiet on the Barbaro news front. Mike Jensen, Ed Fountain and Dan (AP guy) are at New Bolton as they were yesterday. If something occurs that is newsworthy I know they will report, as will I. In the next update I will aggregate a few more stories that have appeared in the last twenty four hours.

riverbell93
Jan. 11, 2007, 01:32 PM
It's good to hear no bad news today. I don't know much about equine medicine but I do know a little about rehab and it's excruciatingly slow and seems, at times, to be useless. I hope Barbaro comes through and eventually has some sort of horse life. But even if his condition deteriorates or fails to improve, and he is put down because of it, the attempt to save his life was a good one. I don't believe any animal or human survives a devastating accident and a drawn-out rehab without wanting to live.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 02:50 PM
Update 1309: I just spoke to Peter Brette (thursday afternoon) and he relayed that Dr. Richardson was happier with Barbaro this morning, this seems consistent with the APs quotes from Mrs. Jackson and the New Bolton release. Barbaro was laying down this morning and appeared more comfortable. I spoke to Dr. Kathy Anderson who visited Barbaro yesterday evening. Kathy noted that while Barbaro was not looking as sharp as he was a couple of weeks ago (we know that) he was looking quite comfortable. He was again laying down in his stall when she visited him last night. These were two more positive conversations as we try to move forward from yesterday morning.
Thanks, Alex.

Davignport
Jan. 11, 2007, 03:21 PM
Alex, you are truly an angel to all of us. The fact that we can get such updates from you really makes us feel that Bobby is our horse. Words and "thank you's" don't seem nearly enough to let you know how much all of us appreciate how hard you work to keep us FOB in the loop as to how he is doing. I guess there are angels among us....

hackinaround
Jan. 11, 2007, 05:05 PM
Blessings for Barbaro. He is a strong and WILL pull through this.


As far as this bump in the road all the neigh sayers should realize that he just had a new more supportive cast applied right before this happened.
I for one have had a cast put on and it didnt quiet fit a bit to snugg. I was misrable...each step was killing me on a leg that didnt hurt at all prior to that cast change.

Maybe all it was was a glitch in the cast and since it has been handled things will continue to progress per normal.

mareseatoats
Jan. 11, 2007, 05:17 PM
http://www.timwoolleyracing.com/

all the updates are surely taking up all the time of the person that start this thread. GO DIRECT and read everything and everything about Barbaro ... the link above is the source.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 05:56 PM
mareseatoats, I'm not sure why you feel you needed to post that, but it's something I have enjoyed doing. Thanks for your concern.
Lots of what is posted here doesn't come from one site only.

Plumcreek
Jan. 11, 2007, 05:56 PM
I wonder if Barbaro is geting any light pulse, or some version of the new blood flow encouraging treatments to his inside coronary band??

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 05:59 PM
I knew other methods were in the works, but nothing specific has been mentioned.

Michael Matz had a scheduled visit planned for this weekend, and I'm sure Big B will be happy to see him!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 06:03 PM
www.bloodhorse.com (http://www.bloodhorse.com) ~ http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=37030
Barbaro Update: Derby Winner is 'Stable, and Acceptably Comfortable'

Classic winner Barbaro showed a promising first step after suffering a significant setback from laminitis when X-rays showed no additional complications in either hind leg for the winner of the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I).
"He is getting up and down on his own and continues to eat and have stable vital signs," Dean Richardson, chief surgeon at the New Bolton Center, said Thursday. "We are considering several additional therapeutic options at this time. He is stable and acceptably comfortable."

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 06:08 PM
www.thoroughbredtimes.com
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/national-news/2007/January/11/Jackson-visits-Barbaro-as-he-continues-battle-against-laminitis.aspx

Jackson visits Barbaro as he continues battle against laminitis

.............
When Gretchen Jackson, who bred and raced the colt with her husband, Roy, visited Barbaro on Wednesday afternoon, the colt was not using the sling.
“They give him the option to use the sling, to lessen the opportunity of putting too much weight on one leg, but he was lying down. He was fine,” Jackson said. “He was taking a rest and acting perfectly normal. When he’s up in the sling for a long time he gets tired, so the normal thing is to get out of the sling and get some rest.”
Barbaro’s saga has been an emotional ride for all those who care about the colt, and Tuesday night’s setback was disheartening because plans were in the works to move Barbaro from New Bolton to a farm or less intensive care facility in the not too distant future.
“It’s depressing. It’s what you would not have hoped for obviously and it’s disappointing, but we certainly have been told repeatedly by Dean that we’re living on the edge all the time with Barbaro,” Jackson said. “I haven’t been over to see him this morning, but when Dean called us this morning it was an improved report. I understand he had a good night. He’s putting weight on his foot that is the laminitic foot that they took the cast off.”
Jackson said she still sees the fighting spirit that has helped carry Barbaro this far.
“He’s still eating and he’s still paying attention to what's going on around him. He cares,” Jackson said. “That’s part of why everybody tries to keep him going, because he wants to keep going himself.”



Click on the link above to read the entire article

Gunnar
Jan. 11, 2007, 06:28 PM
Go Bobby Go!

How about those candles?? Wow!

I hope and pray that Bobby is able to fight this! He seems very resilient!:sadsmile:

Thanks to VB and Alex for their continued vigilance!

canyonoak
Jan. 11, 2007, 07:22 PM
lightingcandles lighting candles

thanks VB for all the updates. Thanks to everyone involved with this horse.

The Big B obviously still enjoys eating, breathing, the visits and interaction, the smells and tastes of this world.

Here's to him getting over this bump in the road.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 07:57 PM
Update 1310: Mrs. Jackson just called (5:45 pm). She visited Barbaro at lunch time and he was "gobbling" down the grass she brought for him while she was visiting. His temperature remains normal and he is bearing weight on his left hind leg (note: he is mostly in the sling or lying down as far as I understand). Today was a better day than yesterday.
Thanks, Tim/Alex

VirginiaBred
Jan. 11, 2007, 08:17 PM
www.startribune.net
Barbaro Shows Good Signs After Setback
http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2007/01/11/ap/sports/d8mjckno1.txt

KENNETT SQUARE, Pa. - Barbaro is bouncing back again. The Kentucky Derby winner is spending hours in his protective sling, needed to deter sudden movement and make the colt comfortable as he fights back from his latest setback from laminitis.

"Oh yeah, he's not down as far as he was on Tuesday," co-owner Gretchen Jackson said Thursday. "He's coming back. He's a comfortable horse."

and

"In my opinion, nobody knows why this happened," Jackson said. "He was doing good in the cast. It was the best I've seen him walk in the time he was there."

For the complete story, click on the link above

YoungFilly
Jan. 11, 2007, 10:14 PM
This is so rough. :(

VirginiaBred, I do have a question if you don't mind. My SO and I were talking about Barbaro tonight at dinner. Is there any chance that he will ever be able to be turned out? I understand about the founder, but as it was said on CNN, he was supposidly feeling pain in the broken leg? Is that true?

I am wondering because I worry about him getting loose at some point, and hurting his leg even further. At this point I understand it would be devistating, but what if some time in the future, would he ever be able to go out of a stall unassisted? Would he be able to be turned out? Will he even be able to trot again? Seriously honest questions?

War Admiral
Jan. 11, 2007, 10:22 PM
It's really just too early to speculate. This case is breaking ground in medical science. This has never been tried before. So the answer is, nobody knows. Not the owners, not the vets, not the horse.

All we can really say is that, based on reports we've had, the owners and vets are giving the horse every possible chance based on current medical theory and knowledge.

But in terms of the magnitude of the medical challenges at hand, it's probably comparable to the first open heart surgery on a human being.

Obviously we all HOPE that he will one day be able to be turned out. But nobody knows.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 12, 2007, 08:03 AM
Friday Morning ~

Update 1311: The reporters closest to the Barbaro story have these reports this morning:
Mike Jensen: Barbaro's status remains uncertain (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/16440983.htm)
Ed Fountaine: WHEW! BARBARO PULLS OFF RALLY (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01122007/sports/whew__barbaro_pulls_off_rally_sports_ed_fountaine. htm)
Dan Gelston: Barbaro shows good signs after setback (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RAC_BARBARO_SETBACK?SITE=KING&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)
Here are some photographs of the New Bolton fence line, as of new year's eve: FOB Posters (http://forums.delphiforums.com/timwoolley/messages?msg=3779).
Michael Matz had a scheduled visit this weekend planned, so he will be able to visit Barbaro over the weekend. I am assuming New Bolton will put out another update today.
Thanks, Tim/Alex

ivy62
Jan. 12, 2007, 08:26 AM
I am afraid to breathe a sigh of relief! If anyone can pull through this it is Barbaro, he has proven time and time again he can handle whatever they throw at him. He needs us to believe in him and those around him...Can you feel the aura?
I wonder if the Jacksons have any idea how their boy affects us all?

Still jingling and lighting candles in NY

sporthorsefilly
Jan. 12, 2007, 08:29 AM
Keep fighting big B, you can do this!

Thanks to everyone who stays together on this journey and prays from recovery. We all know how precious life is, and keeping up the prayers is the best we can do to help.

Bugs-n-Frodo
Jan. 12, 2007, 08:42 AM
Go Bobby GO! I am glad he seems to be doing a bit better, but I am still holding my breath and sending yet more jingles!

Claddagh
Jan. 12, 2007, 10:53 AM
16,230 candles - and counting... FANTASTIC!

So glad to hear that Bobby is more comfortable. And the fact that he's weight-bearing on that foot is great news. :yes:

His "Team" is remarkable! But Bobby is the most remarkable one by far - what an undaunting spirit he has! ;)

Off to light more candles...

moonriverfarm
Jan. 12, 2007, 11:01 AM
This horse has been such an inspiration to us all...with negativity all around us in the news from Bush- bashing to horros in Iraq to teachers who molest their students and missing children, Barbaro has given us hope and a bright spot in the midst of storms. His fight and his will to surpass all odds, plus the dedication and love of a team such as the one at NB, makes him the People's Hero. I for one am humbled by this horse's determination and spirit. He's the most prayed-over, jingled over horse in history and deserves every great thing that happens. GO BOBBY!

eggbutt
Jan. 12, 2007, 11:25 AM
Thank you VB! What great news indeed going into the weekend.

Apparently we who follow this tread daily and post occasionally are considered a "religious cult" if you have read a thread on another forum. I for one am thrilled to have followed the life and daily road to recovery of this wonderful animal and his owners, doctors, trainers, riders - and us. I chose to believe that all involved are doing the best they can for this courageous animal who wants to live his life. I wonder if B understands how he is helping to change status quo in several equine vet areas and technologies? I wonder if the Jacksons know how they are showing us what grace and love and unselfishness is? I wonder if Dr. R knows he is showing us what determination, compassion, wonder and skill is? I wonder if all of us understand the power of prayer and good-will we are displaying to others? I wonder if VirginiaBred understands how much her devotion and commitment to keeping us informed every single day has meant? Religious Cult? I think not.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 12, 2007, 11:30 AM
New Bolton's update for Friday: Barbaro comfortable overnight:

According to his medical team, Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro rested comfortably overnight. "We do not believe that this setback puts him all the way back to where he was in July," said Dr. Dean W. Richardson, Chief of Surgery. "He has much more healthy tissue on the bottom of the left foot than he had at that time. He spends part of each day in his sling, and he is eating well and acting bright."
The colt's right hind leg, injured at the Preakness on May 20, 2006, is also being closely monitored. "We have a solid column of bone to work with in the right hind limb," said Dr. Richardson. "There are no signs of infection in either limb at this time. It is very disappointing to have him go through this setback, but we will continue to try to keep him comfortable and assist his healing with reasonable and humane measures."
Barbaro remains in the Intensive Care Unit of Penn's George D. Widener Hospital at New Bolton Center.
The next update will be posted on Tuesday, January 16, unless there is a significant change in Barbaro's condition.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 12, 2007, 11:37 AM
Thank you VB! What great news indeed going into the weekend.

Apparently we who follow this tread daily and post occasionally are considered a "religious cult" if you have read a thread on another forum. I for one am thrilled to have followed the life and daily road to recovery of this wonderful animal and his owners, doctors, trainers, riders - and us. I chose to believe that all involved are doing the best they can for this courageous animal who wants to live his life. I wonder if B understands how he is helping to change status quo in several equine vet areas and technologies? I wonder if the Jacksons know how they are showing us what grace and love and unselfishness is? I wonder if Dr. R knows he is showing us what determination, compassion, wonder and skill is? I wonder if all of us understand the power of prayer and good-will we are displaying to others? I wonder if VirginiaBred understands how much her devotion and commitment to keeping us informed every single day has meant? Religious Cult? I think not.

:) Thank you so much eggbutt. I have had many, many kind PM messages over the past week especially, and posts like yours. I have been more than happy to share Alex's posts, and other updates, and articles. Anyone is welcomed to read the first page of this thread almost eights months ago (good grief!) and see it's a place for facts and updates. Alex and I have talked back and forth all along, and we both believe the more people can read, the better. I try not to become discouraged over the posters that can't leave well enough alone. I am constantly surprised at what people will say from the safety of their keyboard. It's folks like you and TEAM BARBARO that make it worthwhile.

WE BELIEVE!!!

jennywho
Jan. 12, 2007, 12:28 PM
I for one am so happy to be a part of this "cult". I haven't posted on this thread, but have followed it daily since it's inception. I can't thank you who are in the know enough for giving us updates on such a frequent basis. ONce again Barbaro is proving that miracles do happen.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 12, 2007, 12:36 PM
Thanks, Alex:
Update 1314: Mrs. Jackson just called (about noon time) to confirm Barbaro's status after her visit. He is comfortable, and was eating his grass, apples, pears and a carrot during Mrs. Jackson's visit. She then asked me how Hawty Creek was doing! I was talking to Mrs. Jackson while in the local store, Prizzios. As soon as our conversation was over Ron, the owner, asked me how Barbaro was doing. I could give him a real-time report!
update, 12:30 pm, friday, january 12

Patch
Jan. 12, 2007, 12:51 PM
Thank you VB! What great news indeed going into the weekend.

Apparently we who follow this tread daily and post occasionally are considered a "religious cult" if you have read a thread on another forum. I for one am thrilled to have followed the life and daily road to recovery of this wonderful animal and his owners, doctors, trainers, riders - and us. I chose to believe that all involved are doing the best they can for this courageous animal who wants to live his life. I wonder if B understands how he is helping to change status quo in several equine vet areas and technologies? I wonder if the Jacksons know how they are showing us what grace and love and unselfishness is? I wonder if Dr. R knows he is showing us what determination, compassion, wonder and skill is? I wonder if all of us understand the power of prayer and good-will we are displaying to others? I wonder if VirginiaBred understands how much her devotion and commitment to keeping us informed every single day has meant? Religious Cult? I think not.

Ditto Eggbutt and Thankyou VB!! from another lurking Barbaro follower....:yes:

Davignport
Jan. 12, 2007, 01:01 PM
Religious cult?? I think the best way to describe all of us here on this thread are people who hope and pray every day that Bobby will come through this. We each have our different lives and problems but this one horse has brought so many of us together, it is like we are one family. This thread is the first place I come every day to see how he is doing and I am constantly amazed at his strength and resolve as well as that of those who love and care for him. I think I will just stay here and keep up the positive thoughts for our boy. If that makes me part of a religious cult, so be it...

Off to light more candles.

skatepixie
Jan. 12, 2007, 01:33 PM
I can totally respect those who disagree with us...I mean, people are entitled to their opinions, however wrong they may be (as my grandfather used to say). I mean, in the end, their belief that Barbaro should be put down won't cause it to happen or have any effect on the horse at all.

However, (yes, the big "however") I don't think it is right for them to call us members of a "cult." We aren't worshiping him...just praying for his recovery. Since when was that wrong?

Lori T
Jan. 12, 2007, 01:36 PM
Jingling like mad here in Florida.

caffeinated
Jan. 12, 2007, 01:49 PM
I can totally respect those who disagree with us...I mean, people are entitled to their opinions, however wrong they may be (as my grandfather used to say). I mean, in the end, their belief that Barbaro should be put down won't cause it to happen or have any effect on the horse at all.

However, (yes, the big "however") I don't think it is right for them to call us members of a "cult." We aren't worshiping him...just praying for his recovery. Since when was that wrong?

As someone who has mentioned this thread is sort of like a religion, and IS hoping for Barbaro to recover- I'm sorry if my words offended anyone.

skatepixie
Jan. 12, 2007, 02:01 PM
I'm not offended...I just think that calling this thread a "cult" is nuts...

charlieo
Jan. 12, 2007, 02:38 PM
I check on Barbaro's progress every day. So do many others. He remains a symbol of courage, and a focus of prayer and hope for many of us. He will let his people know if/when it is time. Until then, I pray for healing.

Boston Chicken
Jan. 12, 2007, 02:58 PM
I'm not offended by the "cult" remarks. I think this thread is made up mostly of optimists - not "at whatever the cost" fanatics. I have no doubt the people charged with being Barbaro's advocates have his best interests in mind. I trust his doctors and his owners. I also trust Michael Matz to help guide the owners to the best decision for the horse should it come to that.

Obi
Jan. 12, 2007, 03:04 PM
For those people who think this forum posting is a cult, well, I guess everyone is entitled their opinion. But of course, I disagree.
From my parents, who live in a retirement community in Florida, to all the non-horsey people I work with, I have constantly amazed one and all of my keen insight of the "Barbaro Progress" (thanks to VB and other contributors on COTH). It makes me realize that most people still root for the underdog and wish for a happy ending, and that gives me hope for the rest of the people who see that the glass may be half empty 100% of the time.
Whenever short snippets of news of Barbaro hits the web or the radio, my co-workers come to me to find out "the whole story", not just the brief summary put out on the AP wire. This forum posting has helped share the insiders story of how Barbaro is doing and yes, I do believe that most people are hoping for a happy ending for this amazing horse! If this is a cult, than I am a member!:)

Kenike
Jan. 12, 2007, 03:42 PM
What a relief to see Bobby is doing so much better than the other day! No, I can't let the sigh out, yet, but at least I can relax a little bit.

VB, I ditto eggbutt's remarks. You work so hard to keep us updated, and I can't tell you how much I, among so many, appreciate it.

I BELIEVE!

msj
Jan. 12, 2007, 04:06 PM
Thank you VB! What great news indeed going into the weekend.

Apparently we who follow this tread daily and post occasionally are considered a "religious cult" if you have read a thread on another forum. I for one am thrilled to have followed the life and daily road to recovery of this wonderful animal and his owners, doctors, trainers, riders - and us. I chose to believe that all involved are doing the best they can for this courageous animal who wants to live his life. I wonder if B understands how he is helping to change status quo in several equine vet areas and technologies? I wonder if the Jacksons know how they are showing us what grace and love and unselfishness is? I wonder if Dr. R knows he is showing us what determination, compassion, wonder and skill is? I wonder if all of us understand the power of prayer and good-will we are displaying to others? I wonder if VirginiaBred understands how much her devotion and commitment to keeping us informed every single day has meant? Religious Cult? I think not.

WOW! Eggbutt, I couldn't have said it any better!!! ALL OF IT!!!! :D

ivy62
Jan. 12, 2007, 04:10 PM
Eggbutt- you took the words right out of my mouth. We are joined here for a good purpose and to learn that uncharted territory is only charted when someone takes the journey so thank you to the Jacksons for allowing us the daily insight on this incredible journey!!!!
Thank you to everyone that has well wishes for Barbaro and all concerned.....

THANK YOU ALL!!!!
Lighting candles and jingling in NY!

msj
Jan. 12, 2007, 04:19 PM
Hey, considering Barbaro's 'odd' gait: He walks better than my little quarter horse who can no longer walk a straight line but walks a lovely shoulder-in to the right. :eek: :rolleyes: He also trots and canters the shoulder-in to the right as well. He can't do it to the left and sometimes watching him come in from pasture is really comical because he has to make 'course corrections'. :lol: But no one has told him that he has problems and he sure isn't ready to be put down. The little brat has the most mischevious look 90% of the time and gets into trouble every chance he gets!!!! :yes:

So maybe that's one reason I'm here cheering on Bobby, no matter how he manages to walk! :) :) :)

Off to light a few more candles!

I don't know if anyone noticed or not, but some people are lighting candles for Lost in the Fog and saying little prayers for Bobby at Foggy's candles. I noticed that the other day! Bless them!!! :)

ASB Stars
Jan. 12, 2007, 04:29 PM
And THAT is the point...isn't it?

GREAT post, Eggbutt! :yes:

My SO just had a total bilateral knee replacement done by a Dr. with his name on the building. I pointed out to a friend of mine that he has it easy- he gets to remove the bad stuff, and put in new parts, and his patient does not weigh 1000 pounds.

Dr. Dean Richardson is a genius, with all of the stuff that goes with it ;) An amazing talent!

Sansena
Jan. 12, 2007, 05:33 PM
Im guessing no one knows if they've used O2 therapy?
..Was helpful for the horse in my barn who foundered after his arthrodesis.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 12, 2007, 05:36 PM
Update 1315: 2006 Sports moment of the year: Barbaro's Kentucky Derby (http://video.nbcsports.com/player/?id=55577)



:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Thanks, Alex.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 12, 2007, 06:03 PM
Update 1316: Updated story from the AP: No sign of infection in Barbaro's hoof (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/R/RAC_BARBARO_SETBACK?SITE=KING&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT), including some quotes from Dr. Richardson:

Barbaro had become uncomfortable on his left hind foot in recent days a week after a new cast was put on the foot. The cast was removed after some new separation on the inside portion of his hoof was found.
"The medial aspect of the hoof was always going to be a problem because of the way it was healing," Richardson told the AP. "The cast did not cause this problem. This issue with the foot was probably inevitable."
Richardson said Barbaro has soft bandages on the laminitis-stricken hoof, though that could change in the next few days.

Rachel, from Kennett Florist, left this comment (timestamp: 10 pm):

Afternoon all!
Sorry we haven't had a chance to post sooner, it's a been busy here. Seems like good news today. Big Boss is still hungry!! Eat Boss, Eat!
We didn't get up to NBC until later this afternoon today and the place was starting to clear out... which seems to be the norm for a Friday afternoon. This way, maybe some of the second and third shifts will get to reap some of the goodies we brought up today. The big guy got his favorites! We also brought up a big horseshoe of flowers and placed it in the lobby next to one of Barbaro's many posters. I will see if I can get a picture of it up on the forum. Hope you all have a great weekend!! We love you all, we love you Big B, we love Mr and Mrs Jackson!!! (and ofcourse you too Alex)
WE BELIEVE!!!
Rach at KF

Continued thanks to Alex.

Gunnar
Jan. 12, 2007, 06:05 PM
I, for one, root for Bobby because I can! In this hectic, sad world, we live in there is little room for hope. With Bobby I see hope and who can argue with that. He is bright eyed and bushy tailed. I am not even dismayed at his walk. He gets around like a champ, albeit an odd champ. But in the end I truley believe that NB, the Jacksons, MM and all involved have his best interests at heart. Every day they look in his eyes and make a decision. :sadsmile: From what I have seen those eyes are full of fight and spirit!

IMHO he is a one of a kind horse who fights for his life, whatever that may be. Call me a member of a cult, call me whatever you want! I light candles because I can. I follow Bobbie's story closely because I can. It has nothing to do with heaven! But in the end I can take it and will continue to jingle for the Big Boy.

Go Bobby go! and if you cannot I will still love you and all those who cared for you! You are my hero and I will never forget you! Your TB spirit is strong and evidence of your character shows thru each day! :sadsmile: You have moved the world and the world will be better for it!:sadsmile:

Thanks to VB., Alex and all those who join in our cult of hope!:sadsmile: You are not alone!:sadsmile:

merrygoround
Jan. 12, 2007, 06:13 PM
Got my hood and mask!! :lol: :lol: Light some more candles :yes:

Member of the Barbaro Cult. licensed by Epona :)

VirginiaBred
Jan. 12, 2007, 06:48 PM
Update 1317: I just spoke to Tom, the Jackson's farm manager. He visited Barbaro earlier today, the first time he has visited since the news on wednesday. It was a shorter visit than normal, but a good sign he is back visiting nonetheless. Barbaro was in his sling, but standing square on all fours, and Tom thought he did look good and comfortable. Barbaro has moved back to his original stall in the ICU as is necessary in order to have access to the sling. While I have not seen Barbaro in his sling, as Tom explained it, Barbaro only really uses the sling if he is resting one of his legs. The sling's role then is to allow Barbaro to bear the additional weight on the sling, not on the other legs.

Thanks so much to Alex.

R D Lite
Jan. 12, 2007, 06:49 PM
I'm not offended by the "cult" remarks. I think this thread is made up mostly of optimists - not "at whatever the cost" fanatics. I have no doubt the people charged with being Barbaro's advocates have his best interests in mind. I trust his doctors and his owners. I also trust Michael Matz to help guide the owners to the best decision for the horse should it come to that.

Absolutely, BC. Many of us on this thread have been in the situation of having to look at our own horses and assess their circumstances anew each day--and make a decision about continuing or not each day. It;s a tough thing to do, and I think everyone on this thread understands that things can change quickly--but in the meantime, why not send support and good wishes to Barbaro and his human caretakers? I for one can't say that I even have an "opinion" per se about Barbaro--but I'm a huge fan, I certainly hope for the best, and I'm happy to check up on him each day and see how he's doing.

It's also great to see how many other people are following his story. My own father is not horsey at all, but he is a sports journalist, and whenever we talk we trade Barbaro information. :) I also suspect there are many others reading this board who, like me, do not post or post very infrequently but are nonetheless checking this thread each and every day.

captain
Jan. 12, 2007, 07:57 PM
cult.... heeheehee... it's the first group thang of ANY kind i actually would LIKE to belong to : )

spot on, Eggbutt.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 08:23 AM
Saturday Morning ~

Update 1318: It appears a quiet night for media reports on Barbaro last night (a good thing).
Thanks, Tim/Alex.

chism
Jan. 13, 2007, 09:50 AM
If this is a cult, pass the kool-aid.

Boston Chicken - Thanks for the great post. Virginia Bred - Thanks for making keeping track of Barbaro's progress easily accessible for us. My take on this...the Jacksons are giving back to Barbaro what he's given to them, heart, commitment and loyalty. In the racing industry, that's not always the case. We're all rooting for you Bobby.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 10:47 AM
Thanks, Alex~
No update yet for Barbaro, but I know he has a few visitors scheduled, so I will endevour to get an update at some point today.

Ginger
Jan. 13, 2007, 11:37 AM
Seeing Barbaro's Derby win again brought tears. As Durkin said, what a sublime performance. How can you give up on a horse like that? Thanks so much, VB, off to light candles and to ask my pony to send good karma to his brother Bobby.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 11:50 AM
Thanks, Alex:
Update 1320: A couple of very good articles that explain the issues Barbaro faced this week.
Uncertainty a tough foe for Barbaro's caregivers (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/sports/16451842.htm?source=rss&channel=dailynews_sports), excerpt:

"The medial [inside] side of his hoof was always healing poorly," Richardson said. "Scott and I discussed at the time when we put the cast on whether we were going to have to remove that medial wall sooner or later. We were hoping it was going to be later. But as soon as he started bearing weight in a more normal alignment, it just sheared off. It was something that was almost certainly going to happen anyway at some point.
"The only thing that was disappointing was how uncomfortable it made him. We hoped it wouldn't, but it definitely made it more uncomfortable."

Barbaro well despite setback (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070113/SPORTS08/701130593), excerpt:

"The cast was put on in hopes of preventing this from happening and to help realign the pedal bone (the bone under the hoof wall)," he said, adding that Barbaro most likely will get another cast soon on the afflicted foot.

One thing that seems very apparent, but worth reiterating, Barbaro has the smartest minds focusing on his condition!

Home Again Farm
Jan. 13, 2007, 11:50 AM
Still lurking and jingling for Bobby in FL!!!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 11:53 AM
What that previous post tells me is that medial hoof wall was going to come off, one way or another. That is reassuring to me, that is was going to come off, whether Barbaro's movement took it off, or Dr. Richardson took it off.

eggbutt
Jan. 13, 2007, 12:54 PM
What that previous post tells me is that medial hoof wall was going to come off, one way or another. That is reassuring to me, that is was going to come off, whether Barbaro's movement took it off, or Dr. Richardson took it off.

I totally agree and this information is a bit more reassuring to me as well. This particular situation is a "been there done that" experience for me so I feel a bit better about it. Our great horse that battled laminitis for years had a very similar experience and grew very healthy horn after the first sloughoff. I do understand the road is still a very long one for B and he's in the best possible place for him for treatment. Now, if he can begin to grow healthy good hoof wall going forward.

Thanks as always VB!

5
Jan. 13, 2007, 03:45 PM
HAve you noticed that these setbacks come right after they announce Barbaro may be going home? I think Bobby just doesn't want to leave.

eggbutt
Jan. 13, 2007, 04:55 PM
HAve you noticed that these setbacks come right after they announce Barbaro may be going home? I think Bobby just doesn't want to leave.

:) Interesting observation!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 04:56 PM
Update 1322: New Bolton just released the following: Barbaro undergoes planned procedure.
As previously planned, Kentucky Derby winner Barbaro was placed under general anesthesia this morning to fully examine his left hind foot. "While his condition was unchanged over the last two days, we were unable to fully assess his left hind foot with him in his stall," said
Dr. Dean W. Richardson, Chief of Surgery. "In today's procedure, another area of undermined hoof wall was removed. The left hind deep digital flexor tendon was cut to help decrease the pull on the coffin bone by that tendon. This was previously done in July, but the tendon had healed and was pulling on the coffin bone, contributing to the malalignment of the coffin bone.
Because he has been more uncomfortable on his left hind, we put a cast back on the right hind lower limb for additional support."
Dr. Richardson reports that "Barbaro was awoken from anesthesia once more in the recovery-pool and had an uneventful recovery. He continues to receive intensive management for his discomfort on the left hind foot."
Barbaro remains in the Intensive Care Unit of Penn's George D. Widener Hospital at New Bolton Center.
The next update will be posted on Tuesday, January 16, unless there is a significant change in Barbaro's condition.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 05:01 PM
Saturday night vigil for Barbaro, 7:00pm.

Please say a prayer, have a moment, light a candle and jingle for Barbaro.

Spoilsport
Jan. 13, 2007, 05:17 PM
Thank you, VB (& Alex & NBC), for the updates.

I happened to be at UPenn small animal hospital today to pick up some meds for my cat, and they were selling Barbaro bracelets, so I bought some. For those who haven't seen them, they're the colors of the Lael Stables' silks, and they have Barbaro's name with "You're a Winner" on one side and "Live the Moment" on the other. They came with a little flyer that says, among other things:

The wristbands are to be worn as reminder of all that Barbaro has represented -- his courage, his triumph, his charm, and most of all his heart.

And this:

Mrs. Jackson was doing an interview. . .During the interview she made a comment to "live the moment. It's the greatest way in the world to live - because you truly live."

I just love Barbaro's people!!

cyberbay
Jan. 13, 2007, 05:27 PM
%, I thought the exact same thing. He just loving the TLC life at New Bolton...

cyberbay
Jan. 13, 2007, 05:28 PM
Sorry! that % is supposed to read 5, but i can't get it to correct!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 06:01 PM
Thanks, Alex~
Update 1323: Peter Brette just called (4:45pm). He reported that Michael Matz had just visited Barbaro. Barbaro was laying down during the visit, tired from his busy day. He appeared comfortable. Michael plans to visit tomorrow morning before he returns to Florida. I hope to get another update from Peter in the morning.

SAS
Jan. 13, 2007, 07:08 PM
I haven't posted for a while but diligently keep up with all of VB's great posts about Barbaro. And this has sure been the week to try to keep up with things. I continue to think lots of good thoughts for Barbaro and just lit a few more candles for him. Thanks again for all the current news on our boy!!!!!!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 13, 2007, 07:25 PM
Thanks, Alex~
Update 1324: I spoke to Kathy Anderson, who visited Barbaro late this afternoon, after Michael Matz. She also noted that Barbaro was laying down and appeared tired after his procedure today. Kathy did also note that he was eating well when she visited. There was also a bag of Lael grass waiting for him outside his stall. Its been a long day for Barbaro.
Keep rooting for him.

La Gringa
Jan. 13, 2007, 07:47 PM
Jingling for Bobby, that he gets through this latest of surely many more procedures to come. What a long process for this poor boy. He's a trooper though and I think he will pull through like before.

Go Bobby Go.

My mom keeps me updated daily on his progress, she watches this tread daily. I myself just pray that he isn't in too much pain and is as happy as possible in his surroundings. I think he must know how many people are pulling for him, or he wouldn't have made it this far.

Kenike
Jan. 13, 2007, 10:22 PM
oh man...I do agree with VB in the assumption that the wall was going to come off, anyway. Still, I'm concerned. Founder....you know what I'm getting at.

Thanks for the update, and I'll be lighting more candles as soon as I take care of my son.

I believe!

P.S. Can someone PT me on how to get the bracelets? Please?

merrygoround
Jan. 13, 2007, 10:37 PM
I absolutely hate it when they put him under anesthesia, I know they don't do it lightly. but it is scary every time.

summerhorse
Jan. 13, 2007, 11:25 PM
I wouldn't worry about him lying down. I had shoulder surgery last month and I was basically out for a week (fitfully but mostly asleep!). And it isn't a bad thing for him to stay off those feet right now either.

It is worrisome but at least they are doing everything they can to maximize his chances and they have the ability to control his pain so if anyone can get through this Barbaro can. And it was inevitable that the faulty growth on the inside would fail so maybe it is better to get it over with sooner than later.

Spoilsport
Jan. 14, 2007, 09:05 AM
P.S. Can someone PT me on how to get the bracelets? Please?

I PM'd you.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 14, 2007, 09:52 AM
Sunday Morning ~
Thanks, Alex~
Update 1325: A couple of articles as a result of yesterday's surgery for Barbaro:
Barbaro has more surgery on his left hind hoof, leg (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/16458164.htm). This includes a couple of short quotes from Mrs. Jackson saturday afternoon:

"I didn't know what to expect, so I can't say that I was surprised or let down," Jackson said. "I think they were going to clean up things and put on a cast, and that was it."

and

"It's an ongoing situation, but we're certainly a step better than in July," Jackson said.

Barbaro endures further surgery (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/bal-sp.barbaro14jan14,0,4685281.story?coll=bal-sports-headlines) . This includes a new perspective:

"This is a very usual procedure in treating laminitis," said Dr. David Zipf, veterinarian for the Maryland Racing Commission. "You have to cut away abnormal growth. You can't let it keep regenerating; you have to stop it right now and start over.
"The unusual thing about the story of this horse is that he is a freak. And I mean that in a singular way. His appetite has never gone away. He keeps eating and drinking and looking at the fillies. That's not normal.
"What usually happens is a horse founders, goes off his feed, won't eat or drink and their kidneys begin to fail. Any other horse would have been put down weeks or months ago. That's what makes him so unusual and special. And that's why Dr. Richardson has said this is a day-to-day situation. There are no textbooks. It's all play by ear.
"But what's happening isn't unusual - that Barbaro is persisting through this is."

I wanted to thank Jen Duffy for posting the updates yesterday while I was at Philadelphia Park. Its tough when you know something is going on with Barbaro and you want to make sure you get the information out as soon as you have it, but are nowhere near a computer. So Jen came to the rescue.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 14, 2007, 10:38 AM
For those who have asked:


Here is the direct link to donate at UPenn for laminitis research


http://www.vet.upenn.edu/giving/laminitisfund_shoe.htm

War Admiral
Jan. 14, 2007, 10:46 AM
Awwwwww jingles!!

I always seem to miss the vigils. DARN barn work! :)

msj
Jan. 14, 2007, 10:54 AM
Awwwwww jingles!!

I always seem to miss the vigils. DARN barn work! :)

Don't feel bad WA. I usually do as well, BUT I figure I can light a candle (at home) anytime of the day or night when I do miss the vigils. I lit one on Wednesday when Barbaro was having problems. :):)

5
Jan. 14, 2007, 10:57 AM
%, I thought the exact same thing. He just loving the TLC life at New Bolton...
Thanks.
Everyone here is a person but few can claim to be a percent!

VirginiaBred
Jan. 14, 2007, 02:36 PM
Thanks to Alex~
Update 1326: No Barbaro update yet today (2:20 pm). I will endevour to get an update before the end of the day.

A quick update from my visit to Philadelphia Park yesterday. Its strange! The racing amenities now reside on the fifth floor of the clubhouse, which as you can imagine is quite far from the paddock area and finish line. There is really nowhere else in the clubhouse to watch the racing live. There was a group of us who had a table in the restaurant for the afternoon. It was good company, poor service. One of our company writes for the Thoroughbred Times, so I asked him if he would write about Hawty Creek if she performed well in her first start back. The storyline: We waited for the slot money (which is actually true). Some of my afternoon I was preoccupised with getting the Barbaro update out once it was released by New Bolton. Release means e-mailed out to media contacts, which includes me in this case. I worked with Jen to get this online as noted earlier.

VirginiaBred
Jan. 14, 2007, 04:16 PM
Update 1327: Mr. Jackson just called (3:30p) to let us know that Barbaro is comfortable after his surgery yesterday. The Jacksons had visited Bobby earlier today. Mr. Jackson also noted that Michael Matz had visited this morning.
updated 3:50pm sunday
Thanks, Alex

Kenike
Jan. 14, 2007, 06:28 PM
So glad he's comfortable today. We all knew this was going to be a long, tough, touch-and-go road, but that doesn't make it any easier.

It's also a bit of a relief that Dr. Richardson is so surprised by "our" remarkable boy! Not that I'd expect less, but it's nice to hear (read) it.