Should I geld or should I Keep?

[palagurl]

Hi, I got my baby Slick Spirit from a horse rescue in alberta. He is calm, docile, with a personality like no other and even at just a year, he lets the kids ride around on him!
He is an unreg palomino mustang. His mom came from a feed lot and she is a pinto colored maybe mustang and apperently his sire was a mustang with mainly QH, paint, appy, and a bit of perchy blood lines. Slick is REALY looking like an albertan mustang right now, but when I first got him he looked mostly like a percheron x (he had a huge perchy neck).
This woman I know came out and inspected him. She said that he is going to fill out nice and stocky. Now, I know a person who got a mustang stallion at 18 months from a wild herd and used him as a stud, and get this, his stallion was so docile, he could hold it with bailing twine in front of a mare in heat!!
I am wondering if I should geld him or not, he has already dropped and has bred to one of my mares, but is still not very studdish. He is kept with a sweet and loving gelding and never acts out around other horses.
I plan to use him in and am starting training in western and possibley barrel racing and cutting.
When he was 6 months old and I first got him shipped over here, he would follow me up mountains and scale cliffs! Places no one has ever gotten there horse to go! Since then, he has followed me on the road without even a lead rope!! We have past other full grown and well educated horses from a english training barn, and they were scattered all over the road and holding up traffic, while we were on the side passing them and never once veering into traffic.

I'm not one for registered horses and I find no value in pedigrees. Should I keep him a stud? He has a beautiful color, is very dosile, conformation is amazing, and has the perfect attitude on everything! So, should I geld him? Or should I keep him a stud?

[goeslikestink]

no to sure how old he is if hes about 19mths he would still be docilish once hes matured then he could turn stalllionish and beat up on your geldings really it depends on the horse itself but for me i owuldnt risk it

you couldnt be a bit restricted at shows ansd stuff and if your trail riding and do happaen to go out with a bunce of mares to be honest you will never know what way he will re-act personnally unless he was some sort of great horse then i would have him gelded and i wouldnt also have him geld for a -- piece of mind and b-- so no unoffical breeding with unwanted horses as therees enough already with unresponsiple people-- no offence meant

[lizathenag]

no reason to keep a stud.

[JB]

He is an unreg palomino mustang. His mom came from a feed lot and she is a pinto colored maybe mustang and apperently his sire was a mustang with mainly QH, paint, appy, and a bit of perchy blood lines.

He will make a wonderful gelding.

He simply has absolutely nothing to offer the horse world in the way of reproducing.

[EqTrainer]

If it has testicles, that is reason enough to cut them off.

I have a coming two year old 3/4 TB, 1/4 QH that is unregisterable because his sire does not have enough points to register Appendix's. He has perfect conformation and an incredible temperament. Still, no question about gelding him... every great stallion makes an even better gelding ;)

[MayS]

As someone who regularly sees where many of the unregistered breeding "projects" end up (low end auction where killers shop), I'm strongly against keeping a stallion 'because we like the dad' or 'because people nearby have mares', especially an unreg/unrated grade one. Too many of these breeding "projects" turn out to be not very useful or marketable, & the offspring end up terrible places.

Papers or not, you personally don't need to start a breeding farm. You have no way of knowing how he'll be when he hits sexual maturity, to you or to other horses. And if you realise this later and geld him late, he may remain studdish and a general PITA.

You got him because you wanted a sweet riding horse. Gelding him insures he remains sweet.

[Wind]

Geld. There are too many stallions around, why add to the problem.

[Ghazzu]

In general, if you're even asking the question, geld.

[Amchara]

I agree with everyone else, geld.

[Critters Everywhere]

Geld, but for a little different reason. I'm also not obsessed with papers to put it mildly (out of my 6 horses, only 2 are registered and I would have bought both of them without papers and do not consider either of those mares breeding quality).

The problem with breeding a horse like your boy is that you have no idea what is going to come out. If he was unregistered but you knew that all the horses in his parentage looked basically like him (ie, they were all about his size, had more or less his conformation, had his temperment & brain, etc) I would say wait & see what type of performance record he achieves then make the decision. BUT when you have an unknown background, it becomes more likely that HIS good quality is more of a fluke and that he won't pass it down. You start increasing your likelihood of getting throwback to really unsuitable horses. For example, let say he does really well as a cutting horse. You decide to breed him to some nice cutting mares. But it turns out that when you breed him, the Perchi blood comes out hard as a throw-back. Not good.

Geld him. Will there be days that you regret it? Of course. But all you have to do is go visit some rescues, or a slaughter plant, or your local horse sale auction (late in the evening, when the kill horses start coming up) and you'll be glad.

[Penthilisea]

It's pretty expensive to keep and promote a stud. I would fiscally vote to geld. SO Many nice horses out there, why create more?

[Phaxxton]

Quote:
Originally Posted by palagurl
He is an unreg palomino mustang. His mom came from a feed lot and she is a pinto colored maybe mustang and apperently his sire was a mustang with mainly QH, paint, appy, and a bit of perchy blood lines.


He will make a wonderful gelding.

He simply has absolutely nothing to offer the horse world in the way of reproducing.


Well-said. I totally agree.

Besides that ,he came from a rescue. You KNOW these rescues exist b/c there are far too many unwanted horses in the world. We don't need another pretty palomino, well-behaved stud. He's not registered and his breeding is unknown... He's got no redeeming stud qualities.

[cosmos mom]

geldings are way cute!

[kookicat]

Geld him. :)

[Sakura]

I don't know... I mean she might be able to get hardship papers with the Gypsy Vanner Association or something along those lines :yes: :D. Forget cutting, it sounds like he would make an excellent reiner... who knows, if Reining is added to the list of Olympic Equestrian Sports this stallion my just be the first winner of GOLD in that discipline! Dude (!), she can lead the horse WITHOUT a lead rope PEOPLE! If that is not the mark of a future champion ... then I just don't know what is... I mean the possibilities are ENDLESS!

Wait.. are you actually serious? Geld him!

[ExJumper]

Geld.

[AilleXWest]

I would gled him but I would weating till he grows a bit more. I am so not into this gleding at 1. They do not grow as much that is why most here look so small and thin. In Ireland and All over Eroupe they do not gled until they are ready to brack and the horses are so much nicer.

[mickeydoodle]

Geld him- now

[Zipsmom]

I would "gled" (geld) him as soon as he has dropped which you say he is. Actually, not gelding them has been shown to inhibit growth.

" Horses gelded before puberty usually grow taller than if they were left stallions. The testosterone rush at puberty triggers the closure of the epiphyseal plates (where bone growth takes place), so the stallion essentially quits adding height at puberty. The horse gelded at one year of age has a gradual, delayed puberty and the additional time may allow him to add extra height. "

This is from
http://www.horsekeeping.com/horse_health_care/gelding_and_aftercare.htm

by Cherry Hill

[Seahorsefarmtobe]

If it has testicles, that is reason enough to cut them off.


LMAO!

[LostFarmer]

The only people that I know that want a stud horse have never had one. LF

[wlrottge]

There are WAY too many horses out there with papers that need to be gelded already. Not saying you are, but too many ppl are irresponsible breeders and letting horses that would make nice geldings reporduce. I can think of SEVERAL right off the top of my head.

We were always told that to be considered good stallion material they must have at least two of these things, performance (meaning he is/was a winner), pedigree or prodgeny. If his father/mother were really nice and he is really nice, unless he produces as good or better than he is, it's a simple choice. ;-)

We have a friend on this board with a VERY nice TB stallion, however she has realistic goals for him. She's had him less than a year and has not breed him yet. In her words, "if he does not produce nice baby's or if he gets dangerous, I'll geld him"

[bluroan]

How does that saying go?? "A good stallion makes a great gelding?" The problem is, you don't know when the hormones will kick in and his behavior will change.

[palagurl]

Thankyou all for your insite. I would just like to let you know that I run a small horse rescue so of course I know what kind of out pour there is with unwanted horses. I do not intend to breed him with very many mares. Our friend who is helping us train this new arrival, also had a mustang stud. He could actualy hold him infront of a mare in heat with bailing twine and his stud wouldn't even paw the ground.
We have bred horses in the past and only one of our foals were actualy registerable. But none the less, they were sold every time. Infact, we were offered to sell one of our unregistered full grown fillys for $20 grand but she was reserved since birth.
Now, I have been told that he may get out of control and studdish. I am well aware of that. If he does, I will without a doubt geld him. I do not care if I wait too long and I stunt his growth, I didn't realy want him to be 16 h.h anyways.
I plan to take the course of wait and see if he is anything like his dam, and if he is a royal gerk, if so, I will get him gelded. Otherwise, I'll keep him as a stud for my two mares and sire a couple good horses once in a while.

Thanks anyways for your imput:)

[lelevic]

"I plan to take the course of wait and see if he is anything like his dam, and if he is a royal gerk, if so, I will get him cut. Otherwise, I'll keep him as a stud for my two mares and sire a couple good horses once in a while"

Not to be rude, but why did you even bring up the possibility of gelding him?? It sounds like, based on your latest post, is that you intended on keeping him a stud. Did you expect a bunch of posts saying oh, please, keep him a stud!

[palagurl]

Uh, I honestly didn't know what to excpect other than, of course no one is going to beg me to keep him a stud! Jeeze, the whole piont of having this website is to find out what other people think. I originaly planned to keep him a stud, but now after hearing everyone elses options I am greatly sceptical on what I going to do with him. If he is well mannered, has a good frame, conformation, produces quality foals, etc., I will keep him a stud and if I find that there are too many restrictions on him, I will geld him. If his first foal doesn't inherit his abiliys, I will geld him. If he is studdish and not well mannered I will geld him. If I find in his later years that I do not want to have the risk of keeping a stud, I will geld him. Apperently all the studs I've known are one in a millions.

[horseandhound]

Sad to read you already bred him to one of your mares. PLease don't take this as an insult, but as a rescuer of slaughter bound horses I see WAY too many cast off colts/fillies et al going through the auctions, victims of impulse breeding. Geld him...

[Tess' Mom]

Please geld him. If you need more horses, there are certainly plenty out there and you will know exactly what you are getting. With his breeding, every baby is a complete crap shoot.

[cosmos mom]

"I plan to take the course of wait and see if he is anything like his dam, and if he is a royal gerk, if so, I will get him cut. Otherwise, I'll keep him as a stud for my two mares and sire a couple good horses once in a while"

Not to be rude, but why did you even bring up the possibility of gelding him?? It sounds like, based on your latest post, is that you intended on keeping him a stud. Did you expect a bunch of posts saying oh, please, keep him a stud!
I think a lot of people post the should I or shouldn't I questions on this board already knowing that
A. most people will disagree with them and...
B. That they will do just as they please anyway.

It's a shame though- like the world needs more young grade horses with no job and no one decent to bring them along. If you're so hopped up on young grade horses there are plenty of them around- no need to breed more!

[bewitchedarabians]

In general, if you're even asking the question, geld.

I think like Ghazzu on this (honestly with just about "anything", not just asking in regards of to geld or not to geld)...

When one really needs (deserves/is worthy?) to keep his 'family jewels', there's never any doubting it or having to ask what others think..."JMO/E"

Always remember and try to live by the "Comma Rule": "When in doubt, leave it out"...

I'm not anti-stallion at all, and a lot of the time I'm of/agree with the "wait & see"/let them grow up/mature a bit, 'cause afterall, you can cut 'em off anytime, but you just can't put them back on...however, I too say geld him...

[lelevic]

Cosmos Mom, you are right about the whole should I/shouldn't I thing, I did not mean to come off abrubt or nasty. This is my whole take on "irresponsible breeding." My arabian gelding (bless his heart, I love him to death) but he came from a farm that just loved their stallion, he was so gentle and sweet they wanted to have more of him. The only problem is that they ended up with more horses than they could care for. When I bought my gelding from them, he was 3 years old, had never had his feet picked up and you could not touch him anywhere past his girth. And you know what, every baby they had was practically the same way. My thing is, if this stud's offspring turn out the way the OP wants, is she prepared to give the horse(s) a lifelong home? Not that it's really any of my business anyway, however, this is just my opinion on the whole matter.

[Shiaway]

There are plenty of stallions out there that act like angels. I don't think that just because he acts nice means you should keep him a stud. Maybe because of all the stallion-hype your expectations for his behavior are lower than they'd be for a gelding.

My boy was a wonderful stallion. He is now a gelding. His personality is the same but I think he is much happier without the hormones.

[HorsesRMe]

HI, I'm new to the forum thing so Please don't bite my head off if you don't like what I have to say:winkgrin: ! Now, I don't have any value in pedigrees or bloodlines. If it is a good horse, it's a good horse. Plain and simple. If your interested in western pleasure horses and back yard horses, breed him. Do not breed him to someones mares if they are not going to take care of the foals. What you used to have going on seemed to work, were you raised the foals and sold them. If you live in alberta and can rescue all the horses you want, I GREATLY advise against breeding, but if your like me and live on vancouver island or the mainland, go for it. On vancouver island, there aren't as many horses and no meat auctions to my knoledge (otherwise I would be there getting all the horses!). He sounds like a good horse, I say wait until you see him at 2 - 2 and a half. If he is a good horse, keep him as a stud, if he isn't geld him and have one heck of a gelding. I'm only saying once you've gelded him, you can't go back. And from the sounds of it, He is one in a million, because I haven't yet heard of a colt like him that would actualy climb a mountain!:D Good Luck!:)

[MayS]

If you live in alberta and can rescue all the horses you want, I GREATLY advise against breeding, but if your like me and live on vancouver island or the mainland, go for it. On vancouver island, there aren't as many horses and no meat auctions to my knoledge

HorsesRMe: you might want to check into PMU foals. They're very cheap and there are so many breeds to choose from. Canada seems to have an awful lot of PMU farms, and they're very happy to ship. There are also a few rescues in canada that'll help people locate & ship PMU foals.

There always seems to be a surplus of mixedbreed and/or unpapered foals. (And sadly the unsold PMU babies are at risk for becoming meat if nobody buys them; the PMU farms have to breed a new "crop" every year)

[lelevic]

"When he was 6 months old and I first got him shipped over here, he would follow me up mountains and scale cliffs! Places no one has ever gotten there horse to go! Since then, he has followed me on the road without even a lead rope!! We have past other full grown and well educated horses from a english training barn, and they were scattered all over the road and holding up traffic, while we were on the side passing them and never once veering into traffic."

I re-read your original post and I cannot believe what I read! How irresponsible is it to let a loose horse follow you onto the road?!? It is very dangerous to ride on the road. I have heard of far too many accidents between horses and cars. Why on earth would you allow this horse (a stallion no less!) to run loose especially with other horses "scattered all over the road"? Heck, let Darwinism take over, I'm through!

[HorsesRMe]

I copuldn't agree more MayS, you should go to www.bearvalleyab.org, they are less popular, but they get them straight from the feed lots. After they already went through the big orginizetions. And also if you still want a good uality foal for even cheaper, go to www.rockymountainfoalrescue.org and they work with the mustang foals everyday and sell the for only $125.00!!

[HorsesRMe]

um, no offence lelevic, but shouldn't you be just a bit more worried about the horses actualy scattered on the road???? Seems to me he followed her like she was his dam, usualy foals that are like that when they are seperated that young.

[lelevic]

The rest of the horses "scattered on the road" had riders on them if I am not mistaken. I would think the other horses being ridden would be much easier to control than a loose horse on the road.

[HorsesRMe]

well, still I don't think that the whole "(a stallion no less!)" comment was realy that needed, seeing as he was only 6 months old at the time and to be honest, I have never heard of a colt drooping a 6 months! He still would have been on milk a couple months before that!

[fourh mom]

And from the sounds of it, He is one in a million, because I haven't yet heard of a colt like him that would actualy climb a mountain!:D Good Luck!:)

I say geld him - and fast. :D

I had a mule baby who would follow me anywhere. There are no mountains around here but he would climb and/or jump a 5' creek bank for me. He walked over tarps and whatever I could get him to do I did. He was only 7 months old.

I had a little filly who was about 10 months old and a cat jumped from my arms to her back... and dug in a hold... All she did was to raise her head a bit and then she went back to eating.

I had another filly who would follow me around the pasture... didn't matter where I was, she was there, too. :) My 15yo daughter gave her her very first ride last weekend at the age of 3... w/t/c that very first time, no buck no nothing. Looked like a broke horse.

All three are grade and, while wonderful horses, are not worth breeding. :) I love them all but there is a world of difference in a well-bred horse and your average, run-of-the-mill back-yard breedings. It's like having a bunch of mutts. They're grand little dogs but there's really no reason to make more of them.

My point is that this little boy isn't really all that special. Don't get me wrong, OP. :) He IS special to you but there are tons of horses who follow their people around and who 'climb mountains'. All it takes is a bit of athleticisim and a willing attitude.

Geld him. Enjoy him. Let him have a life. Studs sometimes have miserable lives. Geldings have all the glory - they can mount a mare and no body goes berserk! sylvia

[lelevic]

And what makes you think he was only 6 months old at the time of the road incident? My point is, no matter how old or young the horse is, no matter what sex the horse is, it is dangerous to let a horse wander loose on the road while you are riding another horse. Get over yourself!

[palagurl]

The rest of the horses "scattered on the road" had riders on them if I am not mistaken. I would think the other horses being ridden would be much easier to control than a loose horse on the road.

Weird as it may seem, everytime a car past these horses they would freak out and back up into it, a car pasted down that road every 20 minutes. In my opinion, it would have been safer to saddle up a cow and ride it down the road. And for your information, I wasn't riding another horse, Slick and I were walking side by side, and considering the fact that I wrote he was 6 m/o when we did it. Maybe you should actualy re-read next time you decide to skim over it and find the bad parts?

[lelevic]

I say geld him - and fast. :D

I had a mule baby who would follow me anywhere. There are no mountains around here but he would climb and/or jump a 5' creek bank for me. He walked over tarps and whatever I could get him to do I did. He was only 7 months old.

I had a little filly who was about 10 months old and a cat jumped from my arms to her back... and dug in a hold... All she did was to raise her head a bit and then she went back to eating.

I had another filly who would follow me around the pasture... didn't matter where I was, she was there, too. :) My 15yo daughter gave her her very first ride last weekend at the age of 3... w/t/c that very first time, no buck no nothing. Looked like a broke horse.

All three are grade and, while wonderful horses, are not worth breeding. :) I love them all but there is a world of difference in a well-bred horse and your average, run-of-the-mill back-yard breedings. It's like having a bunch of mutts. They're grand little dogs but there's really no reason to make more of them.

My point is that this little boy isn't really all that special. Don't get me wrong, OP. :) He IS special to you but there are tons of horses who follow their people around and who 'climb mountains'. All it takes is a bit of athleticisim and a willing attitude.

Geld him. Enjoy him. Let him have a life. Studs sometimes have miserable lives. Geldings have all the glory - they can mount a mare and no body goes berserk! sylvia


Very well put! Good job.

[lelevic]

Weird as it may seem, everytime a car past these horses they would freak out and back up into it, a car pasted down that road every 20 minutes. In my opinion, it would have been safer to saddle up my cow and ride her down the road.


So you have no safety concerns with letting your beloved rescue horse loose where "cars pasted down that road every 20 minutes"? You mean to tell me cars only are allowed down the road every 20 minutes? My point is, you have no control over a loose horse, nor do you have control whether or not a car is coming in 20 minutes or not.

[HorsesRMe]

WOW! Now We know who the mature one is!:D

[fourh mom]

well, still I don't think that the whole "(a stallion no less!)" comment was realy that needed, seeing as he was only 6 months old at the time and to be honest, I have never heard of a colt drooping a 6 months! He still would have been on milk a couple months before that!


I bought that little mule baby as a 5 1/2 mo weanling. He was gelded the next week. I was there for the surgery - vet threw two away. :)

Was given another weanling-age colt. I did wait on him because he was very thin and also injured. He was gelded at 9 months. Again, two. :) (which were saved and bottled by my 10yo son. Can you say "YUCK"?) sylvia

[lelevic]

I bought that little mule baby as a 5 1/2 mo weanling. He was gelded the next week. I was there for the surgery - vet threw two away. :)

Was given another weanling-age colt. I did wait on him because he was very thin and also injured. He was gelded at 9 months. Again, two. :) (which were saved and bottled by my 10yo son. Can you say "YUCK"?) sylvia

Yes Sylvia, I second the "YUCK"! EEWW!

[palagurl]

I bought that little mule baby as a 5 1/2 mo weanling. He was gelded the next week. I was there for the surgery - vet threw two away. :)

Was given another weanling-age colt. I did wait on him because he was very thin and also injured. He was gelded at 9 months. Again, two. :) (which were saved and bottled by my 10yo son. Can you say "YUCK"?) sylvia

There a few ways to geld a colt. Some are unsanitaly and unsafe (the elastic band), some are cut and pull, and some are just cut. Technicaly speaking, they don't have to be dropped to be gelded, you can geld a colt a month after it's born, however, that doesn't mean that they have started puberty and succesfuly dropped.

[Shahrazade]

I say geld him. If you run a small horse rescue, you might find yourself running a medium horse rescue, and then a biggish medium one, and maybe eventually a large one- I work with a rescue that turns down a surrender of a horse EVERY SINGLE DAY because they have NO ROOM. Sometimes many people call in a day, in tears, wanting to give up their beloved horse for financial reasons. The rescue currently takes only the ones really truly in danger of dying of starvation, impounded for abuse, pulled off the killer truck, because there is no room for horses people just can't keep, not until some others get adopted out.

Where are you going to put the foals when people start calling you every day wanting to give you kind, sound horses with great temperaments? And what are you going to tell those horses that go to auction when your small rescue is full of grade foals with various characteristics of every breed under the sun, and can't take them in?

As a rescue person, you should know better than to keep him intact. With that many breeds in him, it's very unlikely that he'd throw foals like himself- you'd get a mish-mosh pish-posh of everything in him and everything in the mare. There are a million amazing horses out there, and y'know what? Most of them don't ever need to be bred. If he wins a million dollars showing, you can always have him cloned with the money XD

[Noctis]

I completely concurr with whomever (Ghazzu i think, and as usual i agree :yes:) said "If you have to ask...GELD!". I have a GREAT gelding..who would've probably made a great stud too..but you know what? Life is easier on a gelding! You can go play with mares, LESS hormones to deal with, and honestly, more opportunities. You say you are a rescue. You should know better than to create more horses in the world when there are so many getting killed because people don't want them any more! God, come to the auction near where I live...foals go through all the time (rarely sold...who wants a malformed, or subpar horse that wont be able to do much of anything soundly), just weaned. Because no one wants them because they turned out crappy from irresponsible breeding...and these are backyard pleasure type people too, so its not like they were going for Olympics level horses, just something that would stay sound and look like a horse..not a committe!

[mjs]

GELD ASAP!! "If" you run a small rescue operation why oh why would you want to bring another horse into the world when there are so many suffering and dying :cry: ....Use your time and resources in the rescue area and leave the breeding to the professionals!!

[palagurl]

First off, it is a 150 acre farm, and we currently only rescue horses which come from abusive familys, and have about 5 to 8 volunteers

second: We have been breeding quality trail horses for over 20 years now, so I'm hopeing that by now we would atleast be called proffesionals!

And third: I did not set up this thread to here about how some breeders are idiots and couldn't care less about how any horses they send to slaugter, I set it up to ask people if he had the righth looks, charm and grace to sire good enough foals. I live in little town on vancouver island. Over here, it is starting to get to be that piont that if we want to buy a feedlot foal, it will cost me $600 for the foal, or $1000 for a horse and the the trailoring prices range from$2,000 for a horse to $1000 for a foal just from alberta! The only way I can get it cheaper is if I get a shippment of foals, which would cost alot more money which I don't realy have. And then once it gets out here, I have to spend a month just trying to relax it enough that I can actualy slip the halter on it's head!
Where I live there are no horse meat auctions, so I can not just go out and save a life for the price of a new T.V. If I could, do you realy think that I would even be considering keeping a stud? God no! Everytime I wanted to get a new foal, I would just go out and get one.

Trust me, if I had the time or money, I would be out in alberta with a 20 horse stock trailor behind me and I would go and get every horse I find and bring it back with me, but just because I'm me, I would probley pro-long the trip and go and b**** slap a few horse horse butchers while I'm there.

But the piont is I'm not near very many horses, I found a great and well mannered colt that has the looks of an angel and it just so happened that I thought he the conformation and disposition to keep a stud.

Please do not add to this thread if you just want to wine about people who are idiots and breed too many foals that just get send them off to slaughter. Over here, if I couldn't sell a foal, I would give it away. I would NEVER bring any of my horses to slaughter houses. And getting a new home for any horse is as easy as pie!

[cosmos mom]

Just because you wouldn't send a horse to slaughter dosen't mean it won't end up there- Hope you have lots of friends, because while you are breeding more givaways, who is taking on your rescues? Free horses are never free- and plenty of them go to the killer pen at the end of the day.

[vanjumper]

Saying that you're from a little town on V.I. and there aren't very many horses around you is really not a good defence. I live in the lower mainland and I know of plenty of horses in the area that need homes (weanlings, yearlings and up if you're looking for youngins) and it won't cost you near $1000 to get them across to the island. You just have to know where to ask. There are lots of ppl shipping back and forth from the island that would be glad to fill trailer slots for gas & ferry money.

If you're still considering keeping him intact be very aware that at any time that colt will be able to break out and breed any mare on your property (and your neighbours if they have horses too.) Do you really want to be liable for that kind of incident and the injury that can result? Colts can go from angels to studly nightmares overnight.

[Rivermeer]

Wow! All I can say when I read the first post, my first reaction was is this OP nucking futs? Then I thought I hope it's a troll. Then I sadly realized no.

To the OP please geld this horse. Be a responsible horse owner.

Second, why don't you post this in the Sport Horse Breeding forum, that way you can discuss it with fellow breeders. They might be able to give you some insight.

Flame away

[JB]

Over here, it is starting to get to be that piont that if we want to buy a feedlot foal, it will cost me $600 for the foal, or $1000 for a horse and the the trailoring prices range from$2,000 for a horse to $1000 for a foal just from alberta!

And you're positive you can spend less than $1600 including the pregnancy upkeep of the mare, ultrasounds, necessary vet visits, AND get a live, healthy foal that is the temperment you want and has the genetics to be the size and conformation you want? :no:

I just find it so very hard to understand why anyone who runs a rescue of any size would want to breed a qh/paint/appy/perch cross whose genetics alone guarantee a crap shoot as far as body parts of subsequent foals :confused:

Foals are very cute when they follow their "moms" in places such as you described, but I highly doubt he is the first to have done such a thing, and that story alone, nor any other that I've seen here, is still no reason to keep him intact.

[JumpingPaints]

I definitely concur with others: geld.

I have a beautiful horse, Cody, who you can see in the top link below. He is a registered palomino paint, with decent conformation, excellent athletic ability and a very sweet personality around people. He was a stallion until he was nine (before I bought him), and sired 18 foals. He only threw 1 palomino, and threw many with very average confirmation and abilities. It is sad, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of his offspring ended up on European dinner plates. Although he is a gelding now, he is still extremely agressive with our other horses, particularly my mare, who he has injured on two occasions.

Please please please, don't just breed because you can.

[horseandhound]

Please do not add to this thread if you just want to wine about people who are idiots and breed too many foals that just get send them off to slaughter. Over here, if I couldn't sell a foal, I would give it away. I would NEVER bring any of my horses to slaughter houses. And getting a new home for any horse is as easy as pie!


I think you need to think before you post! You are really digging yourself a hole here. You asked an opinion and solicited responses. What did you expect to hear back..Approval of breeding an unproven satllion with no thought given to genetics, conformation, performance ? As for "getting a horse a new home is easy as pie", tell that to the thousands that die every day in slaughterhouses.
If you are willing to just give away foals that you breed you obviously have no care or concern for their future. You just put yourself on the same level as the PMU farmers.

If you are a responsible horse person you should be striving to improve this industry, not adding to its overflowing pool of horses. GEEEEZ, and they say backyard puppy breeders are bad.

[smilton]

I have an appointment for my guy Tuesday afternoon. He is well bred, has a wonderful temperment and good conformation but to me that just isn't enough to want to promote him as a stallion. He does not have a show record and I don't plan on showing him. He is now a 4yr old and I have kept him a stallion this long because everyone else has talked me into it. He had his first foal this year by accident and I don't want any more accident. (ooops-we thought the pony mare was infertile and would make a good buddy, he proved us wrong. TWH x shetland pony cross. http://community.webshots.com/photo/2302198770081058395KEwJTC ) I have to keep him separate with a buddy which is really a pain for pasture rotation. I'm also constantly worrying about him escaping and breeding someone elses mares and I have a sturdy fence.

I am going to an auction tomorrow night where foals such as yours will be found. It will be 200-300 horses of a variety of breeds, ages and sizes. The high horse will go for around a $1000 and the low will be under a $100. Last month a registered AWS 4yr old cremello mare went for $390. Some will eventually make their way to the New Holland Kill Pens. Once you sell your foals you do not know where they will end up.

Geld him.

[~Freedom~]

Thankyou all for your insite. I would just like to let you know that I run a small horse rescue so of course I know what kind of out pour there is with unwanted horses. I do not intend to breed him with very many mares.

Shades of Dancing Lawn. Have we not yet learned that rescues should not be breeding PERIOD.:no:

Geld him.

[luvmytbs]

IMO the OP is either a troll or a 13 year old kid.

The statements on her part throughout this thread are just pointing to a very immature, unknowing person, who, if for real, should not be involved in rescue at all. My dollars would never go to a rescue like that. Neither would any of my horses ("I will just give the horses away....") Red Flag all over.

[DocHF]

Pala girl:
Own up.

There is NO WAY you can be running even the smallest horse rescue on Vancouver Island and NOT KNOW the following things:
(but I'll put them up for the rest of you to judge)

-There is no horse slaughter house on VI.
-However, there are frequent livestock and equipment auctions in Duncan and other places. The transport trucks that take the dregs to Fort McLeod (the nearest horse slaughter house, in Alberta) are always at these auctions.
-There are many horses on Vancouver Island. Readers of this forum might be interested to know that the population of the island is nearly a half million (although the horse community tends to be kinda close knit and small townish) and that in the 1993 (?- around there) Canadian Pony Club Survey, the community of Saanich, V.I., near Victoria, had the highest per capita horse ownership of any semi-urban center IN CANADA.


Although, if you can afford 150 acres on this island you can probably afford to run a very nice rescue. Even in remote parts of the island that sort of horse friendly property is running close to a million these days. Have you tried logging onto Island Horses? They have a very good forum base, with lots of rescues involved, who can offer support to you as a rescue.

I hope you can afford to expand your rescue as we do need that sort of thing on the island. There are lots of local horses that need rescuing and there is no need to buy PMU babies and ship them all the way from Alberta- there are already lots here that people are trying to get rid of- just check the Equine connections or Pacific Horse Journal. Although if you really paid someone $2000 to get a horse from Alberta to here, I think you overpaid by about double.


Oh and geld that critter before you add to the problem and the only horses you are rescuing are the ones you breed yourself.

[summerhorse]

Geld, geld, geld. There is no reason to keep him a stallion, registered purebred stallions better than him are a dime a dozen producing more horses that end up in feedlots and rescues. He'll make you a much better companion as a gelding than as a stallion.

[cosmos mom]

IMO the OP is either a troll or a 13 year old kid.

The statements on her part throughout this thread are just pointing to a very immature, unknowing person, who, if for real, should not be involved in rescue at all. My dollars would never go to a rescue like that. Neither would any of my horses ("I will just give the horses away....") Red Flag all over.


Hmmmm or maybe a 13 year old with trolly tendencies. I was starting to believe that this was a trolly post too.

[Ladybug Hill]

There a few ways to geld a colt. Some are unsanitaly and unsafe (the elastic band), some are cut and pull, and some are just cut. Technicaly speaking, they don't have to be dropped to be gelded, you can geld a colt a month after it's born, however, that doesn't mean that they have started puberty and succesfuly dropped.

Testicles can be fully dropped at birth. "Puberty" has nothing to do with dropping. I geld all my young horses in their first fall--so about 6 months old.

I am surprised that the OP even posted this thread. How could anyone think that breeding a low quality animal would be supported here? Why would she even ask? Sounds like she doesn't have the knowledge or money to be breeding horses. Her posts come across very juvenille also--wondering if she is fairly young?

If this is her dream, then she should go for it, but to ask for support here is ridiculous.

[summerhorse]

"I set it up to ask people if he had the righth looks, charm and grace to sire good enough foals"

It was a valid question. personally I am of the opinion (and not alone) that the answer is a resounding NO.

[JB]

Hmmmm or maybe a 13 year old with trolly tendencies. I was starting to believe that this was a trolly post too.

Hmm, considering another one of her statements was:

"Anyways, long story short, all my horses are unregistered, but they go for around $40,000.00, just beacause someone saw them running from the road and think they have good conmformation. Now to you, it may not seem ike alot of money, but to us around herre, it's alot just for a horse who's dam was rescued from the feedlot and who's sire wasn't even proven yet."

I think I might agree with you :rolleyes:

[Tess' Mom]

She may have been setting us up, 20-40k for a grade trail horse is absurd, but it makes me feel good that there are so many caring and realistic people on this bulletin board

[luvmytbs]

Hmm, considering another one of her statements was:

"Anyways, long story short, all my horses are unregistered, but they go for around $40,000.00, just beacause someone saw them running from the road and think they have good conmformation. Now to you, it may not seem ike alot of money, but to us around herre, it's alot just for a horse who's dam was rescued from the feedlot and who's sire wasn't even proven yet."



I didn't even see that one!

LMAO....

Let me go down to Shepherdsville next auction and get a truck load to send to the OP, will pay for the haul even, we'll split the profit and I know I can retire in just a couple of months!!!!

[Critters Everywhere]

I have sympathy for the hungry, even ones with an affinity for bridges :winkgrin:


Palagirl...
It's awfully tough to evaluate a horse from a written description (gone horse shopping lately?! :lol:). Why don't you post a few pictures of him either here or in the Breeders Forum? Preferably both a confo & movement shot. I'm curious to see him. Photobucket.com is a free hosting site that doesn't seem to produce any spam if you don't already have an account somewhere.

[JB]

Pictures were posted in this thread:
http://praha.planetsg.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=39676

[pinkngreen]

If you can't afford to spend 2,000 for aquiring a new foal then you don't need to be breeding!

If you really are selling horses for 40,000 you shouldn't have a problem affording 2,000 to buy a new foal when you want one!

Geld that horse! I'm amazed you run a rescue and want to breed more grade horses that have a good chance of needing to be rescued somewhere down the road.

[Rivermeer]

Actually in the pictures the adult horses feet look, long and overgrown and neglected.


Heather

[ise@ssl]

Many colts a docile at a young age.
He isn't registered and can't be - his marketability as a stud is nil. So financially there will be NO return and a lot of extra cost.
You will have to provide fencing to keep him away from mares and also geldings.
YOU HAVE CHILDREN.
This colt may be nice now but he can start to realize he's a stud and BITE your children or worse - try to MOUNT you and or your children. This will can happen even before he's bred.

If you aren't experienced with stallions - CUT HIM YESTERDAY.

[Critters Everywhere]

ah...thanks. Looking at the rest of her album, very very young. http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e279/paple_ass/

[pinkngreen]

The only way I can get it cheaper is if I get a shippment of foals, which would cost alot more money which I don't realy have. And then once it gets out here, I have to spend a month just trying to relax it enough that I can actualy slip the halter on it's head!This really sounds bad coming from someone claiming to be a rescue. :cry: WhhAAAA! I want to rescue horses but it needs to be easy work for me. (insert stomping foot like a spoiled child icon here)

[cosmos mom]

ah...thanks. Looking at the rest of her album, very very young. http://s41.photobucket.com/albums/e279/paple_ass/

As suspected: a 13 year old troll with Pokemon-like tendencies!!!!! $40,000 for the horse running down the road with good conformation...Holy Macrel!!!! How did I miss this????

[Tess' Mom]

A lot of kids are into virtual horse breeding, competing, racing etc. They pretend to be in the horse business, there are a number of websites that offer this. I was receiving a number of emails from them asking about my horses, breeding and until I found out(one actually fessed-up) that these were just kids fooling around, I thought they were legitimate inquiries. Some of them are just cute kids living out their fantasy on their computers others are just plain time wasters. My suggestion is that we move-on from this thread.

[Voguesmum]

NO! Geld him....too many eh stallys out there that would be much happier nice geldings.

[fotie]

Please, please, please geld. I just don't think that you understand the BIG picture. Your stud colt dosen't have anything going for him to make him a stallion prospect other than the equipment. He would make a fantastic gelding. These are real live creatures you are dealing with. I don't understand how you can say that you get 40,000 for your babies, yet you can't pay 2,000 for shipping 1. I really hope that this is a troll...this is disturbing..... It is ironic that you have a rescue and you are breeding unpapered grade appy/qh/mustang/paint/perch babies.
quamusloosaperchapaints??
or perpainapmusquarters???

[Voguesmum]

Thats it; I am hopping the next ferry to Vancouver Island and giving her a backhand. No such rescue.......ERGH! BTW I live on the mainland; only 10 bucks to walk on ferry for me.

Thanks for making me feel dumber for having wasted my time reading this tripe you are trying to sell.

Yeah 40K grade horses on Vancouver Island RIIIGHTTTT..........

[luvmytbs]

Thats it; I am hopping the next ferry to Vancouver Island and giving her a backhand. No such rescue.......ERGH! BTW I live on the mainland; only 10 bucks to walk on ferry for me.

Thanks for making me feel dumber for having wasted my time reading this tripe you are trying to sell.

Yeah 40K grade horses on Vancouver Island RIIIGHTTTT..........


I'll even send you the 10 bucks, and don't forget your camera, we really want to see pix of these lovely $40,000 backyard mix champion mustang pedigree rescue horses.

[Sassenach]

The only people that I know that want a stud horse have never had one. LF

Agreed. Love my boys to bits but they are stallions and you can't treat a stallion like a gelding.

So Geld him!

[buschkn]

did anyone look at those pix? he looks like a complete mixture of various parts with nothing about him to suggest he will improve with age. he is cute enough and i am sure sweet and all, but it makes me absolutely CRINGE to think that this horse might already have one foal on the way. definitely a 13yo troll. at least I hope for all the horses' sakes that is the case. and def get pix of the beotch slap. i'll throw in $10 too, to help with the ferry.

[goldenribbon]

Im am not trying to disapoint you, But you need to geld your horse.If you can not afford to get a horse to your home then how can you afford to breed one.Remember you will need a vet and all updates on shots for the mare,and hopefully there is no problems with the newborn when delivery comes.there are more horses in need of homes then there are people to give the homes to these horses.If you can not afford to bring a horse to you, then save the money that you would put into breeding your own foals, and buy a horse in need. And selling or giving away your horses to a loveing person, well how can you make sure they keep the horse? are you going to take them all back when they are unwanted? that could be alot of money right there.Please consider this and all the drawbacks of keeping a stallion.Let your horse be a horse.

www.flickr.com/photos/thedeity315

[DocHF]

I guess the OP didn't like the replies she got here, so she's telling her "stories" elsewhere!

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/did-i-do-something-horribley-wrong-long-92972.html

[KellyS]

And getting the same response! ;)

[furlong47]

I guess the OP didn't like the replies she got here, so she's telling her "stories" elsewhere!

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/did-i-do-something-horribley-wrong-long-92972.html

I have a 150 horse ranch, here we breed, train, sell, rehabilitate, and board horses. We have been doing this for 20 years now, we rescue horses and we breed horses, is that hard to get?

Well no wonder she knows so much, she's been breeding horses longer than she's been alive! Now who could compete with that? ;)

[cosmos mom]

Well no wonder she knows so much, she's been breeding horses longer than she's been alive! Now who could compete with that? ;)
Maybe she's just an "old soul"!

[Ghazzu]

, I set it up to ask people if he had the righth looks, charm and grace to sire good enough foals.

And you expect us to do this without even showing us a photograph of the colt or either of his parents, or, for that matter, any of his ancestors.
Based on your description of a motley predigree with no consistency, and therefore it being a genetic crapshoot what he might possibly produce.

Honey, I don't believe you really wanted an answer.
Certainly you seem not to want the one you have overwhelmingly received.

[MayS]

Over here, it is starting to get to be that piont that if we want to buy a feedlot foal, it will cost me $600 for the foal,

By bringing price into the equation, you're saying you should breed him because it's cheap... but bringing a quality horse into the world is never cheap. Use of a quality broodmare + breeding exam + AI/breeding fees + ultrasounds + any other vet expenses relating to pregnancy/birthing = well over $600. Add to that the board/care of that foal (and mom) until weaning, and it's understandable any healthy foal would be at least $600.

or $1000 for a horse and the the trailoring prices range from$2,000 for a horse to $1000 for a foal just from alberta.

$1000 for a well broke, healthy, sound horse is a *bargain*. No way could you breed a foal, raise it to riding age, & train it for $1000

I don't know what kind of horses your breeding farm is creating, but the breeding farms in my area who are selling quality (papered, good conformation, healthy) horses often times have them in the $5-10k range. One local farm does friesians and her foals are in the $10-15k range.

Quality doesn't come cheap. You can't have both cheap and quality.

Horses that are not quality are the ones who are neglected, discarded, sold for meat at a young age, and generally treated like crap *because* they are so cheap & disposable.

The only way I can get it cheaper is if I get a shippment of foals, which would cost alot more money which I don't realy have. And then once it gets out here, I have to spend a month just trying to relax it enough that I can actualy slip the halter on it's head!

How would halter training someone else's foal be that much more difficult than halter training one you bred? Not all PMU foals are totally wild -- you can get them already halter trained & used to people.

Where I live there are no horse meat auctions, so I can not just go out and save a life for the price of a new T.V. If I could, do you realy think that I would even be considering keeping a stud?

But you're willing to *create* a life that is just as disposable as that cheap TV.

I would probley pro-long the trip and go and b**** slap a few horse horse butchers while I'm there.

You condemn the butchers... but you're missing the point. The butcher get money because there are so many unwanted (unpapered, grade) horses. If people didn't breed "to save money" or "because the loved their horse", there wouldn't be all these extra horses for the killers to buy cheap.

but the piont is I'm not near very many horses, I found a great and well mannered colt that has the looks of an angel and it just so happened that I thought he the conformation and disposition to keep a stud.

You asked our opinion. Most people here said "geld him!".

You also don't know if that great disposition will remain with him once he becomes a full adult. When those horomones are in full gear and he's got a mature body and it's breeding season... we don't know if he'll be the cute-n-cuddly colt you have now. Odds are he won't be.

Please do not add to this thread if you just want to wine about people who are idiots and breed too many foals that just get send them off to slaughter. Over here, if I couldn't sell a foal, I would give it away.

If you have to give away foals, doesn't that tell you something about the demand for those foals?

And even if you paid someone to give the foal a good home, what's to keep them from selling it to the killers or abusive home in a year or two? Unless you keep every baby you breed & keep them their entire lives through retirement... you don't know where they'll end up.

I would NEVER bring any of my horses to slaughter houses. And getting a new home for any horse is as easy as pie!

It's not getting a home for a horse that's hard. It's getting a GOOD home. I could find a "home" for any of my horses via a broker or auction house.

Bottom line is that the world doesn't need any more average-quality horses. Unless a breeder is creating babies that are *better* than average, there's nothing to keep them from going where many "average" horses eventually end up on day -- the killers.

Sorry to sound disagreeable, but there is a huge horse auction near me. Every week 300+ horses are sold there every monday. The killer buyers & the brokers buy truckloads of them. I see firsthand what happens to peoples' breeding projects a few years down the line. It's heartbreaking! You're lying to yourself if you think a so-so grade horse is immune from being sold to such a fate.

If you're ok with horses going to slaughter, that's fine & then breed him... but please don't hate the killers but create more "inventory" for them to slaughter.

[furlong47]

BTW, as if there was any doubt... palagurl and HorsesRme are the same person.... check out the album name in the links to the photos in this post (http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/1354389-post43.html) from the other board.

[furlong47]

Here's a gem too... (http://www.hiway16.com/horse/foals.asp)

Name of owner: Jennifer Fox
Location: - choose -
Name of new foal: Slick Spirit
Gender: colt
Date of Birth: May 18 2005
Dam: Annie
Sire: (Unkown)
Description of new foal: Very quiet, sweet, loves to be brushed. Palamino stud colt, will be our up and coming sire

[Thomas_1]

http://praha.planetsg.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=1617374#post1617374

I've not read all the postings, but to answer the question put, I recommend you go to the link above and read the postings there.

My recommendation is that you geld the horse.

[bewitchedarabians]

Thanks for sharing the link to other forum DocHF, lol...too entertaining! We need to invite some of those folks over here (if they're not already here!). Good going on "calling her out" JB...

[luvmytbs]

Hehe......I just missed the entire news hour and weather report reading this kid's cry for help (:lol: ) on the other board.

Anybody else want to chip in another $10 for Voguesmum ferry ride and whatever else she'd need on her outing? :D

[HorsesRMe]

Question, umm, srry, not been keeping up with the thread much, but I saw one comment that said this person was feeding us lies. I havn't found any lies so far, what did you get?:confused:

[JumpingPaints]

Furlong 47 - That link from the other forum site was quite entertaining - particularly as she got the same response there!! I especially liked the following quote from a poster responding to her griping about the COTH responses:

So basically you asked for people's opinions and didn't like the results, so you left the forum and came here to ask us the same question (and complain about people on the other forum)?

Honestly... no offense, but you've made it pretty clear in this post that you don't want to hear other people's opinions if they don't run the same line as your own. You've even gone so far as to preface this thread with a disclaimer that it's "only" for people who don't care about registration or purebred horses. Why, because the "mutt" advocates will agree with you and make you feel better and the people who find value in knowing their horse's lineage and in breeding purebreds won't?

and this:
You have a paint/qh/appy/perch colt (which you conveniently left out of this thread since that is a large part of the contention on the other board), you run a rescue, you think that horses are easy as pie (your words) to give away if you can't sell them, and you think that because he's got such a cool mix of breeds and he followed you up a mountain and through a road where other horses with riders were scattering that he is worthy of passing on his genes?

[luvmytbs]

Question, umm, srry, not been keeping up with the thread much, but I saw one comment that said this person was feeding us lies. I havn't found any lies so far, what did you get?:confused:

welcome back palagurl

Oh yeah, now under another name.......

[fotie]

HorsesRme...are you serious...we clearly see that you and palagirl are one in the same...P-H-L-E-A-S-S-E!

[chaltagor]

The best part for me, although it's trivial, is that she doesn't even know how to spell palomino. Icing on the cake. Can't wait until she promotes her "palamino" babies.

[HorsesRMe]

Why does everyone keep saying that I'm papagurl?! It's getting me realy P.O.ed. just because I stuck up for her in the begining doesn't mean I am her! You could say that about anyone who said that they liked grade horses too! And like I said before, she has dug her grave, now she can lie in it! If I was her, wouldn't I already know what I was making up?

[fourh mom]

The thread on the other board has been closed. And w/good reason.

Hey, uhh Palagurl, would you mind next time you 'quote' something I posted to not add malicous remarks of your own making to it?

Anyone caring to see what I mean can just read this... cut and pasted exactly as presented on Horse Grooming Supplies forum. I did take the liberty of taking several paragraphs out at the start. You can goto http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/did-i-do-something-horribley-wrong-long-92972.html to read the rest of it. Also leaving out the parts of my post which were relayed truthfully.


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Someone else wrote a comment mocking me about how I thought he was so great for an untrained foal that just got off a trailor a long ways from home.

"My point is that this little boy isn't really all that special. Don't get me wrong, He IS special (to you) but there are tons of horses who follow their people around and who 'climb mountains'. I say if your gonna get a stuipid mutt, don't breed it for the sake of the horse race, it is useless and probley not much to look at either."
----------- EDITED TO SAY: You know. If you're gonna make something up to stick into someone else's post at least make sure it's written in the same tone as the rest of the post. :) I do not get "your" and "you're" confused. Neither do I call people's horses 'stupid mutts'. And 'probley' is 'probably'... three syllables - just for starters. END EDIT


Ok. Let's look closely at the last sentence I supposedly wrote. Here's my cut and pasted post from this forum...



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"My point is that this little boy isn't really all that special. Don't get me wrong, OP. He IS special to you but there are tons of horses who follow their people around and who 'climb mountains'. All it takes is a bit of athleticisim and a willing attitude.

Geld him. Enjoy him. Let him have a life. Studs sometimes have miserable lives. Geldings have all the glory - they can mount a mare and no body goes berserk! sylvia"
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Here's MJS's post on this board...


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GELD ASAP!! "If" you run a small rescue operation why oh why would you want to bring another horse into the world when there are so many suffering and dying ....Use your time and resources in the rescue area and leave the breeding to the professionals!!
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And now here's your version posted on the other board.


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GELD ASAP!! "If" you run a small rescue operation (and who's to say you do) why oh why would you want to bring another horse into the world when there are so many suffering and dying ....Use your time and resources in the rescue area and leave the breeding to the professionals!!"
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Please tell me how you can post such things and maintain any form of integrity? sylvia

[luvmytbs]

Why bother argueing with someone who is obviously a 13 year old child looking for attention?

It's a shame that kids these days have to live in a fantasy world on the net instead of getting some worthwhile education in school and in life.

At least the horses in the pix look well taken care of.

[bird4416]

Hey Palagurl, get yourself a magikal gypsy vanner.

[Ghazzu]

Why bother argueing with someone who is obviously a 13 year old child looking for attention?

It's a shame that kids these days have to live in a fantasy world on the net instead of getting some worthwhile education in school and in life.

At least the horses in the pix look well taken care of.

Did you look at the feet on the colt's dam?

[luvmytbs]

Did you look at the feet on the colt's dam?

Yes I see they need a trim bad. I was more referring to the fact that horses aren't starving, as there are no 150 acres to be seen in any of the pix. Some of the horses are in bare paddocks with hay. So that is a good sign to me.

For all we know kiddo here might have just taken pix of horses in the neighborhood and presented them to be hers.

I deal with a 13 yo gal at times who doesn't even realize that the stories she tells are all made up. She truly believes that she "has ridden all my TB's bareback without a rope or halter" when she is too short to even brush their backs.

:D :D :D

[friesiandriver]

Oh wow..the colt is cute cuz its a baby horse. Thats where cute ends. No offence but the horse has NOTHING going for it in terms of reproductive capabilities. Your contributing to the problem and should be very ashamed of yourself if you let that colt mount anything.
kyla

[summerhorse]

After seeing him I'd say GELD TOMORROW!

He's cute because he's a baby, in 6 months he will no longer be cute and will be just an average gawky grade horse.

And get the farrier out while you are at it...

[ddashaq]

I have not read the whole thread so sorry if I repeat someone, but I firmly believe (with extremely rare exceptions) that good stallions make GREAT geldings!!:)