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CiegoStar
Feb. 23, 2013, 09:28 PM
I finally watched this show after it started airing on Netflix over Christmas. OMG. It's awesome! I finished all seven seasons in a little over a month (kind of embarrasing really). Is there anyone else here to wants to talk about it - all of it? Like how big is your crush on Josh, how can he be so adorable and maddening all at the same time? How is CJ so awesome? Will Martin Sheen please be my president? Is Donna the best example of character development ever? DISCUSS!

SaturdayNightLive
Feb. 23, 2013, 09:31 PM
My favorite show ever. Seriously. I have pretty much all seven season memorized - it's embarrassing.

I love the writing, I love the characters, I love everything.

I'm in love with Josh, I want to be CJ, and I absolutely wish I could vote for President Bartlett.

jess h
Feb. 23, 2013, 09:33 PM
I *miss* West Wing. I even re-watch the dentist's office scenes in Finding Nemo so I can hear CJ's voice saying "Find a happy place, find a happy place!"

HighFlyinBey++
Feb. 23, 2013, 09:34 PM
And nothing has changed on the major issues facing the country. Except "back then," Congress used to play together once in a while.

CiegoStar
Feb. 23, 2013, 10:14 PM
Yeah, I have to laugh at some of the political stuff, like when they pretend environmentalists have actual power and that Republicans get mad when the Democratic president takes credit for some of their positions during a state of the union! hahaha

I even liked the 7th season. I can understand why the later post-Sorkin seasons were controversial, but I loved the campaign trail stuff and thought pretty much all the new actors were fantastic. Jimmy Smits and Alan Alda and Janeane Garofalo = A++. Plus any storylines with more Josh were up my alley, except I was so frustrated when they rather inexplicably had Josh and Donna not speaking, although I understood why, for the larger story, she had to stop working for him. I also was not crazy about the Toby/Barlet rift.

Other thoughts:

One of the reasons I like the post-Sorkin seasons is that they're not so blatantly sexist ... some of the writing, for such a liberal guy, was pretty nasty towards women, especially for Ainsley.

Did not care for the guy who played Will Bailey. Didn't like him on Sports Night either. But I do think they handled the Rob Lowe exit pretty gracefully (TAKE NOTE DOWNTON ABBEY) and I loved how he played a crucial little part at the end.

How did you all feel about Amy/Mary Louise Parker? She was totally hateable, yet there were moments where I loved her. She was Josh's equal in many ways; I liked how she was able to rock him back on his heels. They also had great chemistry, dammit. (I would have great chemistry with Josh. Just saying.) But she also sounded drunk all the time, which I know is just MLP's thing, and they sometimes dressed her way too slutty for the White House (esp when she came back as the First Lady's COS - they seemed to really play up the femme fatale thing). It was not credible that she would keep getting hired and fired from jobs for doing the same thing over and over. I wanted to throw a shoe at the tv when they got back together for the second or third time.

And lastly, the scene with Josh and Donna on the snowy Georgetown street where he's in white tie is one of the most romantic things I have seen EVER.

cranky
Feb. 23, 2013, 10:23 PM
One of my favorite series ever, and probably my most favorite network series. You just don't see that kind of quality on network these days. I find that I re-watch some of it from time-to-time. The series also made me more interested in politics and brought alive some of those definitions learned in jr. high school social studies classes.

Beentheredonethat
Feb. 23, 2013, 10:23 PM
It was SUCH an amazing show. Intelligent, well-written, educational, touching . . . You just MISS them all. So many great things about it and so many great characters. Back then I was teaching 8th grade, and having the kids watch it was great.

I remember the episode with what's hi name with the beard when they were on lock down and a group of school kids was there in the cafeteria and that had such an intelligent discussion of Muslims right after 911. Hi analogy of Muslim extremists are to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity was right on.

mvp
Feb. 23, 2013, 10:33 PM
That was a Qual-I-T show, with a capital T.

Finally, a show with conversations and jokes that go as fast as they do in real life. It's the William Faulkner of script writing.

What was up with Mary Louise Parker speaking like a stoner? Granted, she spoke the same way in Weeds (also pretty good where she was deeply involve with stoners). But she has a weird lock-jaw-meets-too-lazy-to-enunciate thing that I think is her, not a character.

It would be interesting to know the etiology of that show. It seems to have been written as one nostalgic for a time in politics when anyone had any hope. What was going on at that moment in our history? I don't remember. Given the crap going on now (with, IMO, big wigs making drama of stuff like the Fiscal Cliff and Sequestration), could we please have a West Wing encore?

Kryswyn
Feb. 23, 2013, 11:00 PM
Love The West Wing. Brilliant writing, deep characters, great acting. I miss it so much. Did anyone catch the ad for Mary McCormick's sister who was running for office and the whole WW cast reunited? It harked back to when NBC had quality program on.

c'est moi
Feb. 23, 2013, 11:18 PM
My father (who worked with a lot of politicians) calls the West Wing "soft core porn for liberals".

It's a fun show, but it's total fantasy.

Oh, and if you like the West Wing, you should watch the movie "The American President". It made by the same guy who created the West Wing. Apparently, he was totally high when he wrote the script.

mvp
Feb. 23, 2013, 11:28 PM
Oh, and that Josh Malina guy grows on you with some Hot Nerdness if you watch him in The West Wing and then Hulu's (free!) show, Scandal.

Being the nerd he is, I can't help that he insisted on having some sex scenes in Scandal.

saddleup
Feb. 23, 2013, 11:45 PM
I just finished watching it all on Netflix, too. I love that show. I didn't watch it the first time around on t.v. because I had too much going on in my life to concentrate on a t.v. show, and that's one show you need to really watch.

I love C.J. -- one of the greatest parts for a woman on t.v., ever. The episode where she went to the dentist and couldn't speak so Josh had to do the briefing? I laughed until I cried.

I thought the first four Sorkin seasons were the most crisply written, with such great mixes of humor and drama, but I loved the whole thing. When it ended I felt like I was going through withdrawal.

And yes, the scene where Josh goes to get Donna, with his White House buddies, was very romantic. But when he flew to Germany after she was caught in the bombing and was injured....loved it. I just wish they had delved more into their relationship at the end. Oh well.

And when John Spencer died, throwing everything into crisis, and how beautifully they handled it...I read that Kristin Chenoweth sang "For Good", from Wicked, at his funeral. Just thinking about that makes me cry.

Yes, a great series. I ordered the whole DVD series just for the extras and commentary.

HighFlyinBey++
Feb. 24, 2013, 07:59 AM
My father (who worked with a lot of politicians) calls the West Wing "soft core porn for liberals".

It's a fun show, but it's total fantasy.

Oh, and if you like the West Wing, you should watch the movie "The American President". It made by the same guy who created the West Wing. Apparently, he was totally high when he wrote the script.
*Gasp* I suppose next you'll try to tell me that Doctor Who isn't real either! ;)

Bartlett was a conservative Democrat and the Matt Santos character was based on one up-and-coming young Senator Barack Obama.


I love C.J. -- one of the greatest parts for a woman on t.v., ever. The episode where she went to the dentist and couldn't speak so Josh had to do the briefing? I laughed until I cried.
Woot cawwal. Woot cawwal. I haw a woot cawwal.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

kcmel
Feb. 24, 2013, 08:41 AM
Love! And love "The American President" too. I've seen it about a million times!

CVPeg
Feb. 24, 2013, 09:21 AM
Also never got to watch it while it was running. Have only caught reruns, and loved it.

Wow, she sang "For Good" at John Spencer's service? :sadsmile:

Just loved the dialogue, the intelligent script.

But alas, you did know it was a fairy tale.

CiegoStar
Feb. 24, 2013, 12:25 PM
Does anyone know of any especially good fanfiction? I read the "fantasy season 8" one and it was pretty good. I've seen the big West Wing archive but it's hard to know where to find the ones that aren't total crap.

yellowbritches
Feb. 24, 2013, 03:35 PM
I didn't watch it when it aired (I wasn't into that kinda stuff back then), but started watching it a few years ago when someone brought the first two seasons to me when I was laid up in bed for a few days. Hooked. HOOKED I tell you. I'm slowly making my way through the seasons (I get a little obsessive, so I force myself to intersperse West Wing DVDs throughout my Netflix queue. Cuz otherwise, I would watch it straight through). I'm on season 5 (some of this stuff is kinda spoiler alert!).

LOVE Josh (have a crush on him, too). And CJ is the greatest. I also have a very soft spot for Leo. And President Bartlett....so awesome. My favorite scene of all time, from anything I've ever watched is his monologue after Mrs. Lanaham's (sp?) funeral in the cathedral. Chills, I tell you, chills.

jaslyn1701
Feb. 24, 2013, 05:14 PM
One of my favorite scenes is during the episode where the Bartlett administration hired a Republican, Ainsley Hayes. She got royally picked on, disrespected, talked down to for almost the entire episode. At the very end, CJ, Josh and Sam meet her in her office, located in the boiler room of all places, and sing, "For He Is An Englishman" from Gilbert & Sullivan!!!

Loved all the characters!!

cranky
Feb. 24, 2013, 05:29 PM
I know that it is a fairy tale/fantasy, but watching it makes one (at least it makes me) wish that politics could really work this way. I like how the heros are portrayed as flawed.

findthedistance
Feb. 24, 2013, 06:53 PM
Love, love, love the West Wing, and I have been responsible for getting several other people hooked. The writing is just unbelievable. My favorite characters were Sam and Ainsley, followed closely by pretty much everyone else. Some of the minor characters don't get enough recognition -- I love Margaret.

Second the recommendation for seeing the American President, though you'll feel like the Oval Office is sideways at first if you've seen West Wing (They used the same set, and Martin Sheen is COS, not President. I had a definite adjustment period.) Also, Sorkin is writing The Newsroom on HBO. I'm still not sold on the cast being quite as good, but the writing is absolutely up-to-par with his work in West Wing. I didn't realize how much I had missed a good Sorkin monologue. The man is brilliant.

Kaelurus
Feb. 24, 2013, 10:30 PM
Best. Show. Ever.

I watched it faithfully every week when it originally aired, for all 7 seasons. I'm watching it again now that Netflix has it. I love Sam Seaborn. I have a crush on Josh Lyman. And C.J. Craig doing The Jackal? Priceless.

One show has never made me cry so many times. Aaron Sorkin is a brilliant writer. I only wish we saw more of him, even though I'm not sure he could ever top The West Wing.

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