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JER
Jul. 17, 2012, 12:28 PM
Lord Coe issues a wear-your-wellies advisory.

London 2012 Olympics: bring wellington boots if you're going to equestrian or rowing events (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/9405894/London-2012-Olympics-bring-wellington-boots-if-youre-going-to-equestrian-or-rowing-events.html)


“This is proving quite a challenge to us," he said. "We've got waterlogged sites, we've got resurfacing taking place, particularly in some of our more sensitive sites, our more rural sites.

(...)

Both rowing and equestrianism have spare days built into their schedules in case poor weather causes the cancellation of competition.

“We do have contingencies,” said Coe. “We have got the contingency of extra days available to us in rowing and equestrian sport as a last resort

Not quite as confident as they were last week.

snoopy
Jul. 17, 2012, 12:58 PM
I would not worry as Greenwhich actually drains well and a few days without rain and you can bet they will be watering the site!!!

retreadeventer
Jul. 17, 2012, 02:33 PM
Sure. Trust the limeys to give you a mudbowl for an Olympic three-day...:)

snoopy
Jul. 17, 2012, 02:56 PM
Trust the Septics to complain about it....

LexInVA
Jul. 17, 2012, 02:57 PM
Bring yer Wellies!

snoopy
Jul. 17, 2012, 02:58 PM
Actually, the forecast is for drier conditions. It is sunny and breezy right now and the ground is drying out fast in just one day.

JP60
Jul. 17, 2012, 03:29 PM
Actually, the forecast is for drier conditions. It is sunny and breezy right now and the ground is drying out fast in just one day.
Ah, the infinite plucky optimism of the Brits.

How does it go.."Once more into the breech...", "We will fight on the land, we will fight on the sea...", "One dry day and all will be well" :lol:

you've made a believer out of me and I do hope they can run on schedule, I've kept my schedule open to watch on the internet from...well lets just say an undisclosed location that is not my house.;)

snoopy
Jul. 17, 2012, 03:42 PM
Ah, the infinite plucky optimism of the Brits.

How does it go.."Once more into the breech...", "We will fight on the land, we will fight on the sea...", "One dry day and all will be well" :lol:

you've made a believer out of me and I do hope they can run on schedule, I've kept my schedule open to watch on the internet from...well lets just say an undisclosed location that is not my house.;)


One has to have optimism...it is the only thing we have.

JP60
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:14 PM
One has to have optimism...it is the only thing we have.
well that and rain, both you have in buckets :lol::lol:

Equibrit
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:40 PM
The annual rainfall of the State of Georgia is twice that of the UK.,

In round figures;
UK = 24"
GA = 48"

http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/average-annual-precipitation-by-city.php
I think of the major cities in the US, only Vegas, Denver, and LA have less.

2012 so far for London; http://nw3weather.co.uk/wxhist12.php?year=2012

Brits just talk about it more.

snoopy
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:46 PM
The annual rainfall of the State of Georgia is twice that of the UK.,

In round figures;
UK = 24"
GA = 48"

Brits just talk about it more.



exactly....This year was odd indeed but it does not rain as much as people think it does.

Equibrit
Jul. 17, 2012, 05:17 PM
Olympic equestrian team says Greenwich is ready for rain

Charlotte White, H&H deputy news editor
13 July, 2012

As rain continues to fall across the UK — and with more forecast — it could be a soggy experience for anyone going to London 2012.

But the Olympic equestrian team is confident rain will not stop play in Greenwich.

“Greenwich has very freely draining turf, more so than many other horse trials sites,” said Tim Hadaway, the equestrian competition manager for the 2012 Games.

“Our work for the past two years has been in trying to keep moisture in the ground.”


Mr Hadaway told H&H that when Badminton Horse Trials was cancelled in April, he went around the London course with turf specialist, the Sports Turf Research Institute.


It told him that, despite all the rain, it would only take seven days of dry weather before they would have to irrigate again.


“That rain — we had 60 or 70mm in a couple of days — allowed them to identify any areas of standing water, which needed further work. These guys know every inch of the course,” he said.


However, if the rain continues to fall, wellingtons may be sensible wear on cross-country day, because 50,000 people on the course might cause a few pinch points to become muddy.


But Mr Hadaway said these can be fenced off if necessary.


“I feel we have done everything possible to design risk out of the site and mitigate all possible issues,” he said.


General venue manager Jeremy Edwards said a spare day — 1 August — has been worked into the equestrian timetable, to be used if the rain causes delays to eventing.


FEI rules state “competitions must not take place in extreme weather conditions, if the welfare or safety of the horse may be compromised”.


The ground jury can halt a competition in such conditions.


But spectator tickets will remain valid for the event — even if it is rescheduled.


This news story was first published in the current issue of H&H (12 July 2012

JER
Jul. 17, 2012, 05:46 PM
But Equibrit, Lord Coe's 'waterlogged' statement comes four days after that H&H report.

I suspect there's some CYA going on here -- and we may see some changes made. Greenwich Park was, for a number of reasons, always a controversial choice of venue.

To me, this is starting to sound like Vancouver 2010 and some of the adaptations made to fit reality. The snowboarding events were held at Cypress Mountain in Vancouver, not at Whistler. There were many reasons why this wasn't a good idea, from lack of snow to poor access to a lack of food and facilites. The first event was a rainy disaster compounded by a lack of toilets. After that the Van OC abruptly 'cancelled' thousands for tickets for the rest of the events at Cypress. There was some kind of official bogus 'safety' reason but everyone knew the real reason was the venue had proven to be overwhelmingly inappropriate.

I'm wondering if the back-pedaling on Greenwich is the first step in a similar realization, especially with all the opposition to the use of this historic park for Olympic events, as well as the recent G4S Olympic security debacle.

Janet
Jul. 17, 2012, 06:27 PM
The annual rainfall of the State of Georgia is twice that of the UK.,

In round figures;
UK = 24"
GA = 48"


But I bet England has more "rainy days" than Georgia.

Everyone keeps apologizing to us about the weather, but there have only been two days it really affected us-

Saturday a week ago when the A-35 between Dorchester and Bridport flooded, and the B&B in Bridport was flooded.

Yesterday when we went to Dover castle, and the combination of wind and rain was pretty nasty.

The other days, the rain has not been a problem.

Justa Bob
Jul. 17, 2012, 06:35 PM
One has to have optimism...it is the only thing we have.

And some great eventers and horses! :D

Doodlebug1
Jul. 17, 2012, 06:55 PM
huh? The page you posted is specifically about Hampstead - one small part of the UK - a London suburb.

London, being in the southeast is relatively dry - so how on earth you take that as a UK average is beyond me.

Also, not sure what data you're reading from that page but if you switch to imperial you will see cumulative rainfall for year to date is 16.44 inches - so lets say 30 inches for the year - for pretty much the driest part of the UK. I'm sure Snoopy'll point out that the Scilly isles are drier - but you get my point.

Average rain in the UK (as a whole this year) is about 25"

If you want ACTUAL stats instead of one weather station in one part of the UK compare the Met office, you'll see that the wettest place is the UK (169mm in June) was considerably more than Hampstead (116mm) - and in fact the Hampstead stats are not representative.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2012/wettest-June

Here are some overall stats:
Summary for 2012
Rainfall (mm):
Total for year 628.5
Wettest day 63.3 day 22/06
High rain rate 36.0 day 03/03
Rain days 111

628.5mm is 24.74 inches - which is a year total of 48 inches. Just a little more than Hampstead.

But you're right. In the greater scheme of things Greenwich is near Hampstead, it'd just be nice if you didn't confuse the whole of the UK with one poxy bit.

Sorry for getting in the way with actual data.
We like to complain about the weather, but at least using facts, you might also like to consider hours of daylight - we get much less rain than monsoon countries. It's just we get it all day, pretty much every day at the moment.

Carry on.

poopoo
Jul. 17, 2012, 07:01 PM
At least it won't be 1000 degrees like other olympics

Doodlebug1
Jul. 17, 2012, 07:03 PM
For the geographically challenged - here is Hampstead: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Hampstead,+UK&hl=en&ll=51.554874,-0.174408&spn=0.576354,1.454315&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=8.765439,23.269043&oq=hampstead&hnear=Hampstead,+Greater+London,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=10

PooPoo - you could be right there! Unfortunately though wet ground causes more injuries than hard, particularly for horses used to the hard... Fingers crossed we do get the predicted dry spell :)

retreadeventer
Jul. 17, 2012, 07:37 PM
Trust the Septics to complain about it....

Now look here. I referred to a piece of fruit, and you had to be potty mouth?

(Lest anyone get an IDEA....I am of course completely kidding. Maybe.) I do blame the British for some things, but one can hardly blame them for too much rain. It's not their fault God thinks they are dirty and need to be WASHED....:)

Equibrit
Jul. 17, 2012, 07:39 PM
huh? The page you posted is specifically about Hampstead - one small part of the UK - a London suburb.
Hampstead is about 12 miles from Greenwich.(as the crow flies)

London, being in the southeast is relatively dry - so how on earth you take that as a UK average is beyond me.
I did not.

Also, not sure what data you're reading from that page but if you switch to imperial you will see cumulative rainfall for year to date is 16.44 inches - so lets say 30 inches for the year - for pretty much the driest part of the UK. I'm sure Snoopy'll point out that the Scilly isles are drier - but you get my point.
No shit

Average rain in the UK (as a whole this year) is about 25"

If you want ACTUAL stats instead of one weather station in one part of the UK compare the Met office, you'll see that the wettest place is the UK (169mm in June) was considerably more than Hampstead (116mm) - and in fact the Hampstead stats are not representative. They are for that area.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/releases/archive/2012/wettest-June

Here are some overall stats:
Summary for 2012
Rainfall (mm):
Total for year 628.5
Wettest day 63.3 day 22/06
High rain rate 36.0 day 03/03
Rain days 111

628.5mm is 24.74 inches - which is a year total of 48 inches. Just a little more than Hampstead.

But you're right. In the greater scheme of things Greenwich is near Hampstead, it'd just be nice if you didn't confuse the whole of the UK with one poxy bit.

I think you took care of that.

Sorry for getting in the way with actual data.
We like to complain about the weather, but at least using facts, you might also like to consider hours of daylight - we get much less rain than monsoon countries. It's just we get it all day, pretty much every day at the moment.

Carry on.

Sorry for pointing out that the UK does not have the significantly huge amounts of rainfall imagined by septics. Now, maybe you could just bog off. (I think most people here can manage the sums, thankyou)

retreadeventer
Jul. 17, 2012, 07:47 PM
One poxy bit. I like that. Will use in future when referencing English geography.

Equibrit
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:19 PM
pox = syphilis.

fanfayre
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:29 PM
hey, I resemble the septics bit!!! It's my job!!! (I'm assuming you all mean skeptics?)
My parents come from Cornwall, where it's both wet and cool (north), and warm and dry(south) where palms grow(Falmouth)!

Janet
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:31 PM
septic = infected

Equibrit
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:37 PM
Septic tank = yank.

fanfayre
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:55 PM
Septic tank = yank.

Ahhhhh :D

Equibrit
Jul. 17, 2012, 09:02 PM
The Mason-Dixon line doesn't have a lot of significance in the UK. I know it's a lot like calling a Scouser a Hooray, but there it is; they're all the same from the other side.

Equibrit
Jul. 17, 2012, 09:18 PM
But Equibrit, Lord Coe's 'waterlogged' statement comes four days after that H&H report.



I would be surprised if the ability of the turf to drain has changed significantly in 4 days.

JER
Jul. 17, 2012, 09:37 PM
I would be surprised if the ability of the turf to drain has changed significantly in 4 days.

Hence my conjecture that there might be a problem with the venue. That's exactly what happened in Vancouver 2010 with Cypress Mountain.

snoopy
Jul. 18, 2012, 12:03 AM
Septic tank = yank.



You had to go and spoil it for me didn't you?! I thought it was funny imagining everyone scratching their heads trying to work that one out.;)

Since the OG's are being held in east london...I thought I might test their cockney rhyming slang.

Equibrit
Jul. 18, 2012, 12:26 AM
Sorry china !

snoopy
Jul. 18, 2012, 04:24 AM
;)

Equibrit
Jul. 18, 2012, 12:02 PM
Greenwich weather; http://www.myweather2.com/London-Olympic-2012/Eventing/Greenwich-Park.aspx
Greenwich Park is situated on a hillside that runs down to the river;
http://www.horsemart.co.uk/upload/Image/Newsimages%20Jan-March/Greenwich%20Park%20Aerial%20-%20Equestrian%20Modern%20Pentathlon%20NvR.jpg

Newby
Jul. 19, 2012, 03:14 AM
So we are going to have some of the best event horses in the world ,be subjected to running a self described, twisty, hilly course built on a water logged hillside!!!
How will this be good for the sport??Glad I don't have to make the decision to run or not to run!!

KateDB
Jul. 19, 2012, 10:53 AM
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/olympics2012/7632/313451.html

Carol Ames
Jul. 19, 2012, 11:20 AM
I hope it all turns out for the best;);:yes: I am looking forward to a top notch event!:cool:

Carol Ames
Jul. 19, 2012, 11:30 AM
If anyone is in the area, Dulles/ Dover stop in and watch the Olympics, BYOB, also, I do have a long haired very friendly:winkgrin: cat;); if you're not allergic, COME on by! II can offer FIOS:cool:, AC and water:yes:

Glimmerglass
Jul. 19, 2012, 11:52 AM
There's always the trusty ye olde flood warning alerts you can sign up for (http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/31618.aspx).

Perhaps 'Team GB' should've hawked (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/jul/10/london-2012-team-gb-boa-shortfall) an umbrella or Wellies in lieu of a 'supporters scarf' for their team fundraising. The scarf sales are falling short. The best quip I've seen in relation to the scarf ...


Perhaps this comes down to yet another failure of imagination by the British public, who doltishly assume that this is a garment which they would be obliged to knot round their necks, in the manner of BA cabin crew.

Anyhow back to your regular programme with rains falling in the Midlands and traffic congestion on the M6 :D

JER
Jul. 19, 2012, 12:44 PM
The FEI signed off on the footing yesterday.

Greenwich Park equestrian venue footing approved following 'pudding' complaints (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/equestrianism/9411691/London-2012-Olympics-Greenwich-Park-equestrian-venue-footing-approved-following-pudding-complaints.html)

Equibrit
Jul. 24, 2012, 08:04 PM
86° an sunny again today in London.
Pics of fences;
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=551886

Event4Life
Jul. 25, 2012, 08:24 AM
86° an sunny again today in London.
Pics of fences;
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=551886

LOL my friend (who incidentally is escaping to America for most of the olympics!) just posted on facebook...."30 degrees AND the transport working?! The tourists will think that London is always such a paradise! Little do they know..." I had a good giggle at that - when I was there it was 25 for a day and everyone thought summer had finally come. A girl actually fainted on the tube which was scary, but then the next day it rained. Luckily it stayed dry that weekend though as it was my cousin's wedding, I think she chose the only dry weekend the entire summer. Hopefully eventing will have the same luck!

snoopy
Jul. 26, 2012, 01:31 PM
I would not worry as Greenwhich actually drains well and a few days without rain and you can bet they will be watering the site!!!



Yea of little faith....just as I thought, they are watering the "waterlogged" course. A few days without rain and the ground gets hard here. A week of sunshine and mid/high 80's and after four months of continued rain, it is time to irrigate.

vineyridge
Jul. 26, 2012, 04:32 PM
If they watered, it will rain. :(

snoopy
Jul. 26, 2012, 04:37 PM
If they watered, it will rain. :(


Hush your filthy mouth!

snoopy
Jul. 26, 2012, 04:48 PM
The forecast for Monday is partly sunny, low humidity, and 20C. PERFECT!