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spotsinabox
Jul. 12, 2012, 01:20 PM
Since some of us may have grown up on the old western movies ... who's your favorite horse??

And what are some of your favorite horses in the movies ...

For example I love the sorrel that Ben Johnson is riding in the John Wayne western She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, I also liked a sorrel in an old Robert Taylor movie --can't remember the name of the film, had a bunch of ladies in covered wagons going west ...

I think John Wayne really got cheated when they put him on that short Appaloosa in El Dorado. But I loved his big sorrel in Chisolm, "Dollar" was a more modern looking horse.

Trigger was a big favorite as was Buttermilk... Gene Autry's Champ ... Loved the Cisco Kid's loud black and white Paint. Charlton Heston rode a great looking black and white overo in The Big Country.

My family always rolls their eyes when the first thing I mention is the quality of the horses in the western, or the fact that the fellow was riding a bay--but they showed a sorrel bucking..LOL

AnEnglishRider
Jul. 12, 2012, 01:38 PM
The one in Dances with Wolves. Or the one in The Man From Snowy River.

spotsinabox
Jul. 12, 2012, 02:09 PM
Ahh the buckskin Kevin Costner rode ...

and the grulla/buckskin colored horse or the stallion they made the fuss over?

I kind of forgot about some of the newer movies ... guess I'm still living in my childhood LOL

AnEnglishRider
Jul. 12, 2012, 02:26 PM
The buckskin one he rode down the cliff on! You didn't see a whole lot of the stallion they were trying to catch except for "the eye" scene that cracks me and my dad up every time we see that.

leaf
Jul. 12, 2012, 04:08 PM
Showing my age, but in the 60's-early 70's, there was a horse with a big, almost bald face, and a quarter-sized dark spot just above and to the right of his left eye. I swear that horse was in almost every western movie or show. Keep your eyes peeled if you watch the old westerns.

Matt Dillon's big buckskin on Gunsmoke was a fine horse too.

sk_pacer
Jul. 12, 2012, 09:13 PM
I liked Paladin's horse, Rafter. Also liked Ben Cartwright's horse and had a real soft spot for Ruth, the mule on Gunsmoke. Now THAT shows my age.

spotsinabox
Jul. 13, 2012, 09:46 AM
LOL Yep, I will have to watch for that one ... I love a bald face!

Yep one of my husband's childhood highlights was when they went to California and visited the place that stabled Matt Dillon's horse. He was impressed with him in person as well as on the screen :) I don't remember if he got to see Ruth ...

I think Silverado was one of the more recent westerns that realized the 'good guys' had to have special horses. I liked Paladin's dark horse and I liked Kevin Costner's Paint. Bonanza had a good selection of horses ... I liked the liver chestnut -- don't see too many of them.

I always liked Jimmy Stewart's sorrel that he rode ... you can see how he 'aged' through the movies... and I sure didn't recognize Trigger when he was in Robin Hood ...he was the palomino that Maid Marion rode ...

re-runs
Jul. 13, 2012, 11:07 AM
Now that the Bonanza reruns are on tv, I have re-fallen in love with Hoss`s horse Chub. I think that that horse could be such a versatile animal; there is a piaffe and passage in there somewhere AND, a glimpse of some lovely collected and extended gaits. Actually for being such a big man, Dan Blocker was not a bad rider. Breyer did a Chub too, he was just a neat horse and I would love to have him in my stable. Timing is off by about 40 years :-(.


Adam was really rough on his horse and the horse was always trying to protect itself, a brace on four legs. I heard that Adam was tough to work with on the set as well, hmmmmm.

Leather
Jul. 13, 2012, 11:07 AM
Matt Dillon's big buckskin on Gunsmoke was a fine horse too.

I think Gunsmoke is where I got my love of buckskins. That must have been a huge horse since James Arness was 6'7".

People say my horse looks like Little Joe's Cochise.

Great collection of movie horses: http://www.cowboypal.com/hosses.html

spotsinabox
Jul. 13, 2012, 01:42 PM
LOL Yep ReRuns ... you bring up a good point. I was always a Glenn Ford fan, but I hate to see him ride a horse. Arms flapping like a chicken and hanging on their heads..makes me cringe.

Leather - Yep ... and Audie Murphy was always on a taller horse it seems to make him taller I think ... And, what a website, thanks for sharing ... that brought back a lot of memories!!

Larksmom
Jul. 13, 2012, 04:23 PM
"I think Silverado was one of the more recent westerns that realized the 'good guys' had to have special horses. "
I posted about this movie recently. They all had different horses, and they were all distinctive. EXCEPT Paden, aka, Kevin Kline. And he shot a man for stealing his horse! That horse changed twice in one scene!
And as an early Kevin Costner movie, he could really ride! Riding that paint bareback, and just being plain crazy in that movie.

re-runs
Jul. 13, 2012, 04:44 PM
Didn`t Kevin Costner buy that buckskin after the movie?

I am pretty sure Vigo bought the mustang after Hidalgo. Vigo, not a bad rider either.

Larksmom
Jul. 13, 2012, 06:57 PM
Didn`t Kevin Costner buy that buckskin after the movie?

I am pretty sure Vigo bought the mustang after Hidalgo. Vigo, not a bad rider either.

I thought, correct me if I 'm wrong, that that buckskin is who Donna Brothers rode covering the various races for a long time.

MistyBlue
Jul. 13, 2012, 07:44 PM
Pale Rider:
http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/p/a/l/pale-rider-1985-02-g.jpg

(huge eastwood spaghetti western fan here!)


Shanghai Noon
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7800000/Shanghai-Noon-jackie-chan-7836096-500-333.jpg


All time fave. Cat Ballou:
http://pixhost.me/avaxhome/2008-03-15/cbbscap014.jpg

Bluehorse164
Jul. 13, 2012, 07:48 PM
The one in Dances with Wolves. Or the one in The Man From Snowy River.

The Man from Snowy River movies must have the best "chase" scenes in horse-y movie history. I love that they really let them run! Necks stretched out, ears back... It is so lame when they hold the horses back and just speed up the film so their legs go really fast! :lol: According to Clinton Anderson, that scene where Snowy River Guy goes over the cliff and straight down, was real. They got some stuntman/cowboy/maniac to agree to do it, and shot it in one take. Can you imagine making it to the bottom, and then having the director say, "Hey, can you do that again?" :lol:

cmdrcltr
Jul. 14, 2012, 06:11 AM
According to Wikipedia and IMDB, Tom Burlinson did that cliff ride himself: "In 1981, he got his career's break, when he was given the main role in the biggest Australian film prodction ever that was to be shot the next year, The Man from Snowy River, as Jim Craig ("The Man"). He had just a few short weeks to learn how to ride a horse and make it look like he had been born in the saddle. He performed all of the stunts, including the iconic cliff ride." Although many forums have posts that state it was both Tom and a stunt rider. Some say it was done in one take, and others say it was done several times and parts edited together.

Love those movies and Tom Burlinson.

And have you seen what he does now? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikmG2QhGpIE

Larksmom
Jul. 14, 2012, 11:09 AM
Way back in the way back,I was able to go to Australia to watch the US eventing team run and jump in the World Championships at Gawler. That movie had just been out a couple of years or so, and EVERYTHING was about TMFSR. [The man from Snowy River] One of the coolest jumps on the course, was called the Snowy River Leap. If you stood where you would take off, it looked like you were jumping off into space.[I have pix of the entire course on my COMH page if you are interested in the course.] It wasn't a huge fence, but it LOOKED much bigger than it rode. You jumped it, and went down a steep hill, and at the bottom of the hill was the big water complex, where most of the crowd spend the day.
But back to the movie.
It has always been my favorite horseback scene, as others have said, running flat out, real wranglers, [watch the cast, they were all brothers!:lol:] The tension in the music as they were all gathering, the quick shots of the farrier, the saddling, horses moving restlessly. And when you think about it, all the 'wild' horses went over the tiny, tiny piece of driftwood at the top of the hill. None of these 'crack' riders would do it.

Now, when I was down there, I bought a book about the movie horses in Australia. Of course, the big draw was Snowy River. It said it was a stunt rider, named Heath I think. He was one of the wranglers on the movie. I never believed it was Tom, his face was covered by the hat. If your star is doing the stunt, you can darn sure believe his face is gonna show!You can tell they are really going down a hill that steep by looking at the trees! They are straight up. the horse and rider are going thru at an angle, yeah whoever did it, it was great riding.
One. last. thing. As in most of my favorite movies, this one has a stunning soundtrack. One of my friends had the music, breaking the colt, played at her wedding. And how many movies do you see that have a complete piece of music played all the way thru the scene when it isn't a musical?

danceronice
Jul. 14, 2012, 06:50 PM
If you want to just skip to the good bits, there's a video on YouTube with the actor who played Clancy reading the poem "The Man From Snowy River" with just the film scenes of the gathering at the station and the chase and return. (The poem itself is just that bit, and they extrapolated a lot of the rest of the film, except the romance and Jim's dad, from other Banjo Patterson poems--Harrison who made his pile when Pardon won the Cup gets his backstory from the poem "Pardon, the Son of Reprieve", and Clancy himself is "Clancy of the Overflow.")

trafalgar
Jul. 14, 2012, 07:49 PM
There were so many...I loved Trampass's Buck...I think there were 2 or 3 Bucks. I adored Trigger; what a talented well trained horse! I read that his cost to Roy rogers, in the 1930s, was over $30,000!!! I wanted a pinto like Little Joe's and I had a soft spot forJimmy Stewart's chestnut. Oh, my first favorite horse was Fury....that REALLY shows my age!

RRD
Jul. 14, 2012, 07:55 PM
I love TV Cowboys and Tall Texas tales.....:winkgrin:

Especially Roy and Trigger(s)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeVGvjysbEk&feature=BFa&list=PLB0CC67BD3CBFB71F

A four legged friend...:yes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg2C_EIea0


I wanted a pinto like Little Joe's

Me Too!!

trafalgar
Jul. 14, 2012, 08:03 PM
Was Trigger a stallion?

Beverley
Jul. 14, 2012, 09:11 PM
I wanted a pinto like Little Joe's and I had a soft spot forJimmy Stewart's chestnut. Oh, my first favorite horse was Fury....that REALLY shows my age!

Yep, Fury, the story of a horse and the boy who loved him (Bobby Diamond w/ Peter Graves as the dad).

And loved Jimmy Stewart's horse too. So two out of three- unfortunately I met Little Joe's horse at the Houston Livestock Show back in the day- no way, Jose. Nasty critter with a serious biting problem.

Beverley
Jul. 14, 2012, 09:15 PM
Was Trigger a stallion?

Yes.

http://www.royrogersworld.com/Trigger.htm

Matador
Jul. 14, 2012, 10:21 PM
Since some of us may have grown up on the old western movies ... who's your favorite horse??

And what are some of your favorite horses in the movies ...

For example I love the sorrel that Ben Johnson is riding in the John Wayne western She Wore A Yellow Ribbon, I also liked a sorrel in an old Robert Taylor movie --can't remember the name of the film, had a bunch of ladies in covered wagons going west ...

I think John Wayne really got cheated when they put him on that short Appaloosa in El Dorado. But I loved his big sorrel in Chisolm, "Dollar" was a more modern looking horse.

Trigger was a big favorite as was Buttermilk... Gene Autry's Champ ... Loved the Cisco Kid's loud black and white Paint. Charlton Heston rode a great looking black and white overo in The Big Country.

My family always rolls their eyes when the first thing I mention is the quality of the horses in the western, or the fact that the fellow was riding a bay--but they showed a sorrel bucking..LOL

I hear that!

We got a box of 50 olllld Western movies on DVD, and most are so bad they're just about unwatchable, but you know I'm sitting there going, "Ooo, is that a flaxen chestnut?"

Some of the better ones in the set are those that have the horse in the cast. Like, 'Sparky the Wonder Horse.' :D

Beverley
Jul. 14, 2012, 11:17 PM
Speaking of Jimmy Stewart, just enjoyed 'Winchester 73' (1950) with Shelley Winters, Dan Duryea and others including Rock Hudson as the Indian chief.

Beverley
Jul. 14, 2012, 11:35 PM
Just did a little surfing and found this fun site:

http://horsefame.tripod.com/stunt3.html

If you scroll a bit down to Chuck Connors and the Rifleman horse 'Razor,' I actually knew that horse- he was bought in an auction of tv horses in the latter half of the 60s and ended up at our barn in Houston. The owner never rode him, he was retired to a grass paddock, but we used to amuse ourselves figuring out his camera cues.

trafalgar
Jul. 15, 2012, 12:04 AM
$2500 for trigger in the 30s makes a lot more sense than the $30,000 I heard. In the book "Happy Trails", a biography of sorts for Roy, Dale etc. it says that Roy turned down $200,000.00 for Trigger in the 1940s. That must have been a record for the time.

RRD
Jul. 15, 2012, 01:18 AM
There was quite a few "Triggers", I like this site...


http://www.happytrails.org/trigger.html

Also this one...

http://horsefame.tripod.com/fredkennedy.html

Matador
Jul. 15, 2012, 10:50 AM
I think Gunsmoke is where I got my love of buckskins. That must have been a huge horse since James Arness was 6'7".

People say my horse looks like Little Joe's Cochise.

Great collection of movie horses: http://www.cowboypal.com/hosses.html

Thanks to this great link, I learned the horse 'with the white mane' I referred to is Koko--- and how could I forget Fury?

Fury... loved that movie. Wonder if it's available these days.

Is My Friend Flicka (the original w/Roddy MacDowell) considered a 'Western?' That was another fave.

TKR
Jul. 15, 2012, 11:47 AM
Wasn't Koko the flashy chestnut, flaxen mane and tail and chrome that Nick Barkley/Peter Breck rode in The Big Valley? My kinda man! He rode ok, but was rough with his hands. Lee Majors rode well. Lotta hunks on that western -- love the reruns, LOL!
PennyG

Beverley
Jul. 15, 2012, 12:22 PM
Wasn't Koko the flashy chestnut, flaxen mane and tail and chrome that Nick Barkley/Peter Breck rode in The Big Valley? My kinda man! He rode ok, but was rough with his hands. Lee Majors rode well. Lotta hunks on that western -- love the reruns, LOL!
PennyG

Koko was Rex Allen's horse and I did get to pat him at the Houston Livestock show way back in the day! Might have technically been a shade of chestnut but really more like chocolate w/flaxen mane and tail.

Matador
Jul. 15, 2012, 06:52 PM
Koko was Rex Allen's horse and I did get to pat him at the Houston Livestock show way back in the day! Might have technically been a shade of chestnut but really more like chocolate w/flaxen mane and tail.

Yes, it was a black-n-white movie I saw him in.... holy cow, I LOVE that color on a horse. Lucky you!

JollyBadger
Jul. 15, 2012, 07:52 PM
Not really an "old" Western, but I loved Mouse - the horse Newt rode in the Lonesome Dove miniseries. Nothing really special or beautiful about him, but I thought he was just a cute little horse.

trafalgar
Jul. 17, 2012, 03:05 PM
I saw Robert Duvall being interviewed once and he said the bucking his horse did near the beginning of "Lonesome Dove" when they are starting their trip North was spontanious and he insisted on it being left in.

VaqueroToro
Jul. 17, 2012, 03:34 PM
Pale Rider:
http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/p/a/l/pale-rider-1985-02-g.jpg

(huge eastwood spaghetti western fan here!)


Same here with being an Eastwood fan, and yes, absolutely love the horse he rode in Pale Rider -- I was going to mention it if no one else had. :D

The horse reminds me of the one he rode in High Plains Drifter.

I also love Pie -- Jimmy Stewart's mount in nearly every one of his westerns.

wireweiners
Jul. 23, 2012, 04:43 PM
Koko was Rex Allen's horse and I did get to pat him at the Houston Livestock show way back in the day! Might have technically been a shade of chestnut but really more like chocolate w/flaxen mane and tail.

Koko and Rex Allen came to our local fair and rodeo when I was a kid. I remember that he coliced while he was here and there was a big to do about getting the vet out and whether he was going to be ok. He did recover from the colic but Rex had to ride a substitute in his appearances while at the rodeo.

fooler
Jul. 26, 2012, 09:02 PM
Showing my age, but in the 60's-early 70's, there was a horse with a big, almost bald face, and a quarter-sized dark spot just above and to the right of his left eye. I swear that horse was in almost every western movie or show. Keep your eyes peeled if you watch the old westerns.

Matt Dillon's big buckskin on Gunsmoke was a fine horse too.

My best friend and I tracked that big sorrel for years.

fooler
Jul. 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
There are so many that caught my attention then and now on TV reruns and old movies.

The cute black horse Robert Conrad rode in The Wild Wild West, Nick Barkleys' chocolate/flaxen mane/tail horse. FYI - Peter Breck has alzhiemers :no:. The horses ridden by the Virginian and Trampas. I vaguely remember the horse ridden by Paladin, of course I loved everything Paladin did.
Anytime Ben Johnson swing a leg over a horse, John Ford always included his riding in his movies.
Randolph Scott always rode really nice sorrels with flaxen mane/tail. It looked to be the same horse in several movies.
Joel McCrea - wonderful rider and always well horsed.
Stuart Whitman in the Cimaron Strip - had a really neat dark bay/black horse he rode.
Fetus and his mule were very special. Interesting to note he was/is a trained actor and singer. He was in several old John Wayne movies, western and military.

spotsinabox
Jul. 27, 2012, 10:11 AM
Oh gosh! I had forgotten about The Wild Wild West!!

As I mentioned, I just loved Ben Johnson and the sorrel horse he was riding in "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon". I noticed Joel McCrea had a couple different movies where he was riding a bald face, stocking legged, blue eyed sorrel.

I wonder where they found all these great horses? I'm sure there are some interesting stories ... :)

goneriding24
Aug. 5, 2012, 12:55 PM
I liked the horse Slim Pickens rode in Blazing Saddles. Now, THERE was a horse!!

Strangely, no matter how bad the western, I always notice the horse first!!

I always loved all the horses in the old TV westerns. Talk about bomb proofed!!

BTW, does anyone know about the horse Steve McQueen rode in Tom Horn?? The horse was shot out from underneath him and that's when Steve/Tom went haywire. The way the horse dropped, it was a little too real!! Anyone know if the horse was actually shot?? The bald faced bay, I think he was. If not, that horse had falling down pat.

Beverley
Aug. 5, 2012, 06:44 PM
I kinda doubt they shot the horse, but they could have had him trained to a wire or some such-been ages since I saw the scene so I would have to look again to hazard an opinion.

But I can say the horse Chuck Connors used in the Rifleman was bought at a 'show biz horse' sale and ended up at our barn in Houston in the late 60s. He was in retirement in one of the small pastures, I can't remember anyone ever riding him, but we barn rats did amuse ourselves figuring out the cues for his tricks. He would rear, lie down (slowly especially given a touch of arthritis) and limp on command. He probably had a lot more in his repertoire, we just never found the buttons.

axl
Aug. 17, 2012, 12:12 PM
I thought, correct me if I 'm wrong, that that buckskin is who Donna Brothers rode covering the various races for a long time.

I remember that buckskin being Bob Baffert's stable pony.

CA ASB
Aug. 18, 2012, 12:27 AM
TFR - both Fury and Flicka (movie version) were Saddlebreds ... lots of the old movie horses were ASBs. Shipped by the traincar from the Anacacho Ranch in Texas out to California to the movie ranches.

leaf
Aug. 18, 2012, 03:30 PM
Hey Fooler!
You also know that horse with the spot on his wide blaze. That's so amazing to me. Did you and your sister say "there he is!" everytime you saw him?

I read somewhere, and I hope it's not true, but in Butch Cassisdy and the Sundance Kid, their horses died during the cliff jump scene. The horses were blind-folded and ran off the cliff to their death. True?

saddleup
Aug. 18, 2012, 04:44 PM
All I know is I've owned Paints for 25 years and I'm sure it's due to the enormous crush I had on Michael Landon's "Little Joe Cartwright" and if he rode a Paint horse then I want to, too!

Beverley
Aug. 18, 2012, 06:16 PM
All I know is I've owned Paints for 25 years and I'm sure it's due to the enormous crush I had on Michael Landon's "Little Joe Cartwright" and if he rode a Paint horse then I want to, too!

Yes but you wouldn't have wanted that paint, he was nasty and quite the biter!

Saidapal
Aug. 18, 2012, 07:53 PM
I think I counted about 6-7 black and white horses they used for that show. I used to amuse myself by watching how one horse went behind a rock and Cisco would be riding a different horse when he came out the other side.

Mr. Ed. I always thought he was a sweet horse, considering all he put up with during the show.

ReSomething
Aug. 18, 2012, 10:05 PM
. . .
I read somewhere, and I hope it's not true, but in Butch Cassisdy and the Sundance Kid, their horses died during the cliff jump scene. The horses were blind-folded and ran off the cliff to their death. True?

Butch Cassidy came out when I was a kid, so it'd have been in the late '70's or early '80's that I saw one of those "making of" documentaries and IIRC they very specifically showed that the horses that went off the cliff were dummies. I sure hope so anyway.

sk_pacer
Aug. 19, 2012, 10:10 AM
All I know is I've owned Paints for 25 years and I'm sure it's due to the enormous crush I had on Michael Landon's "Little Joe Cartwright" and if he rode a Paint horse then I want to, too!

But did you know Landon's real love was harness racing? Years ago, there was quite a lot of guys from here that went to California and back, and there were at least two horses that raced here that were claimed from him, and strangely enough, one of them was a rather nasty beast. Jay Silverheels also had harness horses. Met him once and was more interested in his racing life than in his iconic role of Tonto.

BensMama
Sep. 3, 2012, 05:33 AM
Beau - John Wayne's horse in True Grit. I've loved most of his horses, but Beau is definitely my fave. (Seems like he had a thing for big sorrel horses, didn't he? Still don't know what they were thinking when they put him on that Appy thing...:no:)

And Denny from MFSR, of course. :D I've heard several conflicting stories about the famous ride - I've heard that Tom was the rider, and I've heard that it was a double. I've heard that they actually filmed it on a steep hillside, and I've heard that they filmed it on the flats and planted trees into the ground at an angle to make it look like the side of a mountain. I have no idea what's true and what's not...but I don't really care, because I love the movie so much. :D

pAin't_Misbehavin'
Sep. 3, 2012, 10:02 AM
Hey Fooler!
You also know that horse with the spot on his wide blaze. That's so amazing to me. Did you and your sister say "there he is!" everytime you saw him?

I read somewhere, and I hope it's not true, but in Butch Cassisdy and the Sundance Kid, their horses died during the cliff jump scene. The horses were blind-folded and ran off the cliff to their death. True?

You might be thinking of the 1939 movie "Jesse James" where a horse actually went off a cliff. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_James_(film)), it was this movie that started the AHA overseeing the use of animals in films.

alonwest
Oct. 21, 2012, 12:32 PM
cool thread :)