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ToTheNines
Jul. 11, 2012, 05:11 AM
I am (maybe was!) buying a horse from a lady who said he had AQHA papers. This horse is 15 and has had three or four owners. He has been showing USEF, but I want to do the AQHA shows with him.

She now tells me that what she has is the first transfer report from his breeder. This was never sent in, and transfers have never been filed. His registration certificate has a handwritten signature of one of the intervening owners on the back.

What is she going to have to do to provide me with papers suitable for AQHA showing? She is proposing that she "skip" some transfers by signing the transfer report she has. But when she sends that in isn't the AQHA going to question the signature on the back of his certficate? Is that method of registering him going to fly with the AQHA?

Bluey
Jul. 11, 2012, 06:56 AM
You need to call the AQHA and if you do send anything but the right paperwork, it may take months to get your horse's registered papers cleared.

Never, ever buy a horse you need to be registered unless you are getting the registration certificate and a properly signed transfer from the last owner of record in the certificate to you.

If you have some other transfers from that owner to someone else, then you need to also have a transfer from that person to you.
You then need two properly signed transfers, or as many as there are between you and the original owner.

There is no way you can skip those transfers between the owner of record and you, unless the owner of record is the one that is selling you the horse and can provide then the right transfer signed to you.

That is all assuming the horse was registered, is not just a breeder's certificate you are being given, that is another set of requirements.

We finally got one horse cleared, know someone that is still waiting for her certificate since last fall.

Consider if you want to take the time and chances to, after all, the horse not be able to be registered so you can show in the breed.

Also, because of this you just encountered, people buying and not transferring certificates in their name, there is stuff going on, papers mixed, the wrong horse for the papers, etc.

You can go to the AQHA website and check any horse out, who owns it, etc.

Good for you to be sure all is right with the certificate before buying, if you need a properly registered horse.:yes:

I Winglish AQHA
Jul. 11, 2012, 07:17 AM
I am confused (It doesnt take much)

Does your horse have a registration certificate with his registered name on it? Or, is it just the breeders certificate?

AQHA says you have to register the horse with every owner it has had, but in reality if the certificate was not signed they will never know.

If the person you are purchasing the horse from received his signed transfer and did not register him, you can just send in the paperwork as if you bought him from whoever signed the papers.

If the person you are buying from has a fresh registration that has not been signed by anyone - then all she has to do is sign it and you will send it in.

If you want to PM me a copy of the back of the papers I could help you more.

Plumcreek
Jul. 11, 2012, 11:12 AM
AQHA deals with this kind of thing all the time. Establish contact with a individual person in the registration department to tell you what you need to send them, and answer your questions along the way. .

ToTheNines
Jul. 11, 2012, 11:23 AM
Thank you everyone. I am going to require her to handle it.

I have Apps and every time I have bought one, I have gotten its registration certificate with the seller's name on the back and a transfer report from the seller. I am correct that this is what I need from her for AQHA?

IMO, her problem not mine to get me what I need, and I will suggest to her that she do as suggested above!

vtdobes
Jul. 11, 2012, 11:42 AM
AQHA deals with this kind of thing all the time. Establish contact with a individual person in the registration department to tell you what you need to send them, and answer your questions along the way. .

Ditto this. I work for a breed registry (not AQHA) and I would recommend getting advice directly from the source :)

ToTheNines
Jul. 11, 2012, 12:00 PM
I did call AQHA and they could not have been nicer or more helpful! Big thumbs up for the AQHA.

And I was sure to tell them that their promotion and support of the hunters was the reason I wanted a Quarter Horse. The Select division is perfect for me, and the derbies, maybe just the 2'6" ones, would be a fun challenge.

SonnyandLacy
Jul. 11, 2012, 12:20 PM
I had the same problem with my AQHA mare, but there is no way I could track down all her owners, she probably went through an auction and a broker prior to me buying her. The breeder/ owner was the last person with title on the paper. I just tracked down the breeder, sent them a nice letter and a current picture of my mare, and a copy of the original registration. Pretty easy if you ask me.

7HL
Jul. 11, 2012, 01:03 PM
The horse should be registered officially before you give her one penny. Otherwise you are buying a grade horse.

On another note. At a local horse auction I know you can buy papers to match your horse.