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vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 12:41 AM
I am in the search for an eventing prospect, but am on a tight budget...I have been browsing for the perfect horse for a while, and really like all of these mares as prospects. Confo critiques/opinions would be awesome - I know I'm missing something :)

Horse 1 - Long Way Round
http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thoroughbreds&action=display&thread=217
What I noticed - she looks pretty butt high right now, and her pasterns are a bit long for my liking. Her neck is also a bit short.

Horse 2 - Cover Ur Heart
http://www.canterusa.org/~cant3r09/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6252:cover-ur-heart&catid=50:delaware-park-trainer-listings

Horse 3 - Avas's Rib
http://www.mydhf.com/avas-rib.html
My concern with her is that she has been having intermittent soundness issues, and is therefore a giveaway. I think she is totally worth the work it takes to get her sound though.

Horse 4 - Brooky Bear
http://www.secondstartthoroughbreds.org/thoroughbred_listings/listings-2000_and_up

Thanks! :)

Simkie
Jul. 4, 2012, 01:00 AM
Horse 1 - Long Way Round
http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thoroughbreds&action=display&thread=217
What I noticed - she looks pretty butt high right now, and her pasterns are a bit long for my liking. Her neck is also a bit short.

She's FOUR. She's not going to change a whole lot, probably. Pass.


Horse 2 - Cover Ur Heart
http://www.canterusa.org/~cant3r09/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6252:cover-ur-heart&catid=50:delaware-park-trainer-listings (http://www.canterusa.org/%7Ecant3r09/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6252:cover-ur-heart&catid=50:delaware-park-trainer-listings)

Like! Look how uphill she is! You have a good farrier, yes? I'd really want to see that left front in person--she's maybe a little clubby?


Horse 3 - Avas's Rib
http://www.mydhf.com/avas-rib.html
My concern with her is that she has been having intermittent soundness issues, and is therefore a giveaway. I think she is totally worth the work it takes to get her sound though.

What sort of soundness issues? Wait, haven't they been talking about this mare on shb? Ah, yeah: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358901


Horse 4 - Brooky Bear
http://www.secondstartthoroughbreds.org/thoroughbred_listings/listings-2000_and_up

Worth a look. Pictures of her suck. A little light in bone?

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 01:15 AM
She's FOUR. She's not going to change a whole lot, probably. Pass.

Those pictures are over a year old, but I would be really interested in seeing recent ones.


Like! Look how uphill she is! You have a good farrier, yes? I'd really want to see that left front in person--she's maybe a little clubby?

I do have a good farrier for that and am honestly not too worried about a mild club foot, my old gelding had 4 completely different feet. Thanks for catching that though!


What sort of soundness issues? Wait, haven't they been talking about this mare on shb? Ah, yeah: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358901

I have been in contact with her owner about the soundness...It really doesn't seem like they have done any diagnostics on her and she is not currently on anything for the lameness.


Worth a look. Pictures of her suck. A little light in bone?

I am a little worried about how light boned she is.

visorvet
Jul. 4, 2012, 01:53 AM
Based on these just these photos, #2 is the only horse I would consider.

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 02:42 AM
Based on these just these photos, #2 is the only horse I would consider.

Thanks! I really like #2, #3, and #4...horse shopping is so stressful :lol: Why would you pass on the others?

goodmorning
Jul. 4, 2012, 02:53 AM
Just curious, anyone know how negotiable these trainers are? Cover Ur Heart was only a 3k yearling, now listed at 1.5k. Would you be better off going to an auction?

alto
Jul. 4, 2012, 04:14 AM
Horse 3 - Avas's Rib
http://www.mydhf.com/avas-rib.html
My concern with her is that she has been having intermittent soundness issues, and is therefore a giveaway. I think she is totally worth the work it takes to get her sound though.
Go read Jen's bio, then consider if you have more knowledge/determination/$$ or whathaveyou to dedicate to this horse ...
I suspect this horse has an issue that is not easily identified or maybe congenital (or foal/yearling injury) & may be enough to get her excused from dressage competition.

Unfortunately as the mare is not in work doing the sort of thing that you intend, there is no way of knowing which way she will go. As a second horse or one that I could keep very economically, she's likely worth a go BUT if she's your only horse & you actually want to ride over the next year & you need to pay actual board - she may cost you quite alot over the next year & you may still not have a riding horse.


Go see as many as you can in person :yes:

Jleegriffith
Jul. 4, 2012, 06:58 AM
The trainer for Cover Ur Heart is very negotiable. We just talked with him this week. She is a really lovely mare. She looks athletic and uphill. She walked and jogged sound.

Bogie
Jul. 4, 2012, 07:56 AM
#2 looks very nice.

I would not take a horse with soundness issues that are undetermined, even though #3 is pretty. If you have a good lameness vet and the current owners will release her records, I might have my own vet see if they have any ideas . . . but there are plenty of horses out there who don't come with known problems.

#4 is too lightly built for my tastes.

GoForAGallop
Jul. 4, 2012, 08:25 AM
I like #2. She's lovely, and definitely has some presence. I will be the voice of dissent here and say that I also find #4 quite lovely....but I am a small person, and mesh really well with the delicate TB types. (In fact, my Fingerlakes mare from January is just the sort. :)) And as we all know, the actual measurement of the bones have nothing to do with bone density....

Here are some others to consider:

3 YO 15.1 Mare - I think she's gorgeous.
http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=123&action=display&thread=495

4 YO 15.3 Filly - Looks like a powerhouse. Worth a PPE due to the potentially sore knee, but still worth a look.
http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=123&action=display&thread=492

8YO 15.3 Mare - I can only guess that her age is why she's still available from last year....the COTH boards have ooh-ed and ahh-ed over this mare ever since she hit the Fingerlakes listings, and it's terrible she hasn't found her person yet. I mean, just look at her. Classy through and through, and you can't beat the wisdom (and spook-proofness!) of the track warhorses.
http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=123&action=display&thread=492

Even if you're not close enough to go look at the Fingerlakes horses in person (which I totally recommend if you are!!), if you're serious about buying, get in touch with the volunteers there. They're fantastic women who really know their stuff, and just want to make sure that "their" horses get into the best new homes for them. They're horse-savvy women who will give you their honest opinion of any horse/the trainers/the vets/etc.

Good luck! I love my Fingerlakes mare; she has completely won me over to both TBs and mares! (Although I'm having to pay for shoes in the first time in nine years..ridiculous! :lol:)

judybigredpony
Jul. 4, 2012, 08:26 AM
Cover Ur Heart is mine, I pick her up Thursday 7/5/2012 @ 10AM and No she isn't clubby, have had tremenous success with Tom's horses. Way more impressive in person.

will keep you posted w/ photo's of her under tack and jumping loose..:)....you know what I do so the answer is Yes she will be...........

leahandpie
Jul. 4, 2012, 08:40 AM
4 YO 15.3 Filly - Looks like a powerhouse. Worth a PPE due to the potentially sore knee, but still worth a look.
http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=123&action=display&thread=492


Wow!! She's awesome! Totally 'my type' :)

retreadeventer
Jul. 4, 2012, 09:06 AM
Has anyone actually looked at any of these horses IN PERSON.

Photos are just a way of sorting the horses, not actually "looking at a horse" in my opinion. Browsing is not "looking to buy". Gotta really see them in person and put your hand on the halter and look them in the eyes.

My dear Lucky was out in a field with five or six other horses. We stood out there talking, and the owner was telling about all the others, and they were hogging the attention, and he snuck around the herd, and quietly edged up to me and nudged me with his nose, as if to say, "are you here for me?" he literally picked ME and from that moment he was mine, I just knew it. I love this horse so much, I can't tell you how much he has grown on me. But I never would have known that if I hadn't gotten in the car and trucked on up there to see him.

teddygirl
Jul. 4, 2012, 09:07 AM
Cover Ur Heart is mine, I pick her up Thursday 7/5/2012 @ 10AM and No she isn't clubby, have had tremenous success with Tom's horses. Way more impressive in person.

will keep you posted w/ photo's of her under tack and jumping loose..:)....you know what I do so the answer is Yes she will be...........

Congratulations! I was just going to say that this was the only one that caught my eye. Please keep us posted on this lovely girl!

To the OP, there are tons of nice, sound OTTB's out there. Do NOT take a horse with undiagnosed soundness problems!!! I do OTTB's for resale periodically and never take one that doesn't vet clean. Didn't love any of the others, keep looking, there are so many great horses available, don't waste your time and money, there's no such thing as a free horse!!!

SEPowell
Jul. 4, 2012, 09:11 AM
vdowning, are you looking for a specific size and are mares your first choice?

GoForAGallop
Jul. 4, 2012, 09:24 AM
Has anyone actually looked at any of these horses IN PERSON.

Photos are just a way of sorting the horses, not actually "looking at a horse" in my opinion. Browsing is not "looking to buy". Gotta really see them in person and put your hand on the halter and look them in the eyes..

-shrug- I bought my horse just off photos. Plenty of people on these boards do. Am I an advocate of going to see the horse in person? (Particularly with TBs at the track, who aren't photographed to their highest advantage?) Absolutely.

But there's nothing wrong with buying off photos, and plenty of serious buyers do. I was willing to take the risk of not seeing the horse in person.

Jleegriffith
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:06 AM
JBRP- Isn't she way better in person! So glad you got her! She just looks like she can jump with that conformation.

Big_Grey_hunter
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:33 AM
Have you seen this mare?
http://canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6195:miss-maisy&catid=57:n-ohio-trainer-listings

judybigredpony
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:47 AM
I will post video as soon as we free jump her!!! I have dealt w/ Lou many years ago and his horses all vetted SOUND and were just amazing. I needed another chestnut mare re-sale project like a hole in my head (got plenyt) but I had been oogling her for a while and with Retread getting Lucky and Lara buying Brazil and Jeanne taking a leap and shipping Solo plus one onther sold last week I had some empty nests to fill..:)..

while yes I have sold horses to out of state buyers strictly off of photo's and video..I do provide tons of pictures from all angle and video w/t/c and jumping. But truly I do prefer to put my hands on them when ever possible..:)

mkevent
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:49 AM
I would give Brooky Bear a look. Are you planning to do the lower levels or more?

She does have some great sporthorse bloodlines and I like the way she's put together. I too would prefer a bit more bone but get a great vet for the PPE if everything else looks good!

mbm
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:54 AM
honestly.... i would not rule out a horse based on a picture.

you need video and then go see them in person.

horses change a *lot* from 3 to 8 and even more with work.....

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:43 AM
vdowning, are you looking for a specific size and are mares your first choice?

I would prefer over 16 hands, and I find I mesh a lot better with mares so they would be my first choice.

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:45 AM
I would give Brooky Bear a look. Are you planning to do the lower levels or more?

She does have some great sporthorse bloodlines and I like the way she's put together. I too would prefer a bit more bone but get a great vet for the PPE if everything else looks good!

I'm hoping to take her as far up the levels as she can go. :)

vineyridge
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:59 AM
There is a 3yo CANTER horse named Mr. Good Guy who has one of the best pedigrees I've seen on a CANTER horse for eventing.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/mr+good+guy
And he's well put together too, IMO. He's at Mountaineer, had 1 race, trailing badly; and I think he would be worth investigating. Since he's only three, he still has a lot of growing and maturing to do.
http://canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6212:mr-good-guy-unstarted-3-yo-bay-gelding-161-2000-obo&catid=51:mountaineer-trainer-listings

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 12:00 PM
I found a link to Brooky Bear's picture blown up: http://www.facebook.com/secondstartthoroughbreds#!/photo.php?fbid=379277215460508&set=a.112894925432073.24100.112894008765498&type=3&theater

mbm
Jul. 4, 2012, 12:05 PM
There is a 3yo CANTER horse named Mr. Good Guy who has one of the best pedigrees I've seen on a CANTER horse for eventing.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/mr+good+guy
And he's well put together too, IMO. He's at Mountaineer, had 1 race, trailing badly; and I think he would be worth investigating. Since he's only three, he still has a lot of growing and maturing to do.
http://canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6212:mr-good-guy-unstarted-3-yo-bay-gelding-161-2000-obo&catid=51:mountaineer-trainer-listings

now this is a horse i would go look at :) nice pedigree - sir ivor has a reputation for sport horses... :)

judybigredpony
Jul. 4, 2012, 12:20 PM
I agree on the pedigree would like to see the stick measurment in person..;)

vineyridge
Jul. 4, 2012, 12:26 PM
But...

He's still just a teenaged equivalent with at least two years more to grow!

mbm
Jul. 4, 2012, 12:26 PM
if he were closer i would be zooming over to see him - love smaller sized guys/girls and he reminds me a lot of my WB mare who has sir ivor :)

SEPowell
Jul. 4, 2012, 12:32 PM
I would prefer over 16 hands, and I find I mesh a lot better with mares so they would be my first choice.

http://http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=123&action=display&thread=476

I took Celebrating Sara's listing and right off got a very good feeling about her. The first conformation picture isn't the greatest photograph but the second gives you a better idea of her overall look. Her walk in the video shows a nice overstep and she has a nice build which will make jumping easy for her. I love her shoulder, withers and neck set. And I love her eye.

She has 33 starts as a 5 year old but I just started one with 80 starts and he's having a great time. (I really think you must consider the individual horse when you start using criteria like number of starts.)

I spoke with her trainer about 10 days ago and he really wants her to find a good home where someone will enjoy and love her. He decided to stop training her and now has her turned out on a nearby farm. I think he'd be negotiable if you're the right person.

echodecker
Jul. 4, 2012, 01:49 PM
TPR has several horses that fit your bill...

I just posted about Vino on his own thread...this one looks fantastic to me, he is a new listing and I haven't met him, but definitely worth checking out for $150! And yes, sound...

http://www.goodhorse.org/Looking_for_a_Home.html

On the Off Track page, http://www.goodhorse.org/Off_Track.html I would check out Country for sure, gorgeous mare! Also, Mark is a new listing there, I met his owner at Seneca Valley, she's had him his entire life and is sure he'd make a good eventer.

I'm not sure what your price range is, but those are all inexpensive. There are also several others that could work. Take a look at all the horses there, the pages are very current.

Good luck!

Beam Me Up
Jul. 4, 2012, 09:19 PM
I don't avoid light boned if a horse is balanced (i.o.w., not big body/small legs). They are often less hard on themselves.

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 09:29 PM
Thanks for the suggestions everyone! I will keep searching until I find the perfect horse, but at the moment I really like both Cross Ur Heart and Brooky Bear.

retreadeventer
Jul. 4, 2012, 09:44 PM
-shrug- I bought my horse just off photos. Plenty of people on these boards do. Am I an advocate of going to see the horse in person? (Particularly with TBs at the track, who aren't photographed to their highest advantage?) Absolutely.

But there's nothing wrong with buying off photos, and plenty of serious buyers do. I was willing to take the risk of not seeing the horse in person.

How many? I'd be interested to know how many people bought a horse they are currently riding and competing just off photos on the listing page and nothing more. Since you brought it up, and edited out my reason in your copy of my quote.

elizabeth Callahan
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:20 PM
I have to blush and admit I bought my OTTB off pictures . I wasnt even looking for a horse, Drove up, loaded her in the trailer - never even saw her walk outside the stall. Didn't do any PPE. Not that I would want any of my clients to do that, but so far, it seems like I've gotten lucky

judybigredpony
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:32 PM
I am pretty sure definately 6 maybe 8 I have sold that way. Stuck on a commercial hauler and sent to new homes off photo, and video never seen in person.

I do get at least 2-4 a year that way from a NY trainer they just arrive...:)

brightskyfarm
Jul. 4, 2012, 10:44 PM
Come to Pa.!
http://canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6145:mary-dean&catid=58:pa-trainer-listings

This mare is trained by an ex-grand prix rider, who has already put the basics in place. Manners, Frame, fitness and care.

I have additional photos of her ..just pm
Shes got beautiful conformation, more than these photos can show.

Worth a look.... I dont know your location but this trainer has offered $500 toward your shipping.

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:03 PM
http://http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=123&action=display&thread=476

I took Celebrating Sara's listing and right off got a very good feeling about her. The first conformation picture isn't the greatest photograph but the second gives you a better idea of her overall look. Her walk in the video shows a nice overstep and she has a nice build which will make jumping easy for her. I love her shoulder, withers and neck set. And I love her eye.

She has 33 starts as a 5 year old but I just started one with 80 starts and he's having a great time. (I really think you must consider the individual horse when you start using criteria like number of starts.)

I spoke with her trainer about 10 days ago and he really wants her to find a good home where someone will enjoy and love her. He decided to stop training her and now has her turned out on a nearby farm. I think he'd be negotiable if you're the right person.

She is a lovely mare, I just am not IN LOVE with her. I am checking the site daily though!

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:10 PM
I just found two more that I really like:

Mary Dean - #5

http://www.horseville.com/horses/horse300601.html
http://canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6145:mary-dean&catid=58:pa-trainer-listings

I really like her big toosh and long legs. She also has a very elegant neck.

#6

http://www.horseville.com/horses/horse300364.html

judybigredpony
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:20 PM
This mare is trained by an ex-grand prix rider, who has already put the basics in place. Manners, Frame, fitness and care.


Stephanie was a top "A" show rider in the Ammy/Owners..:)

I worked for her, she also was a winning SideSaddle Competitor....

Divine Comedy
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:33 PM
Absolutely love that mare Our Helen Wheels that GoforaGallop posted. I'm not a mare person, but that package has everything else going for it, in my opinion.

Small can be good because I often feel that the smaller horses stay sounder.

vdowning13
Jul. 4, 2012, 11:38 PM
Absolutely love that mare Our Helen Wheels that GoforaGallop posted. I'm not a mare person, but that package has everything else going for it, in my opinion.

Small can be good because I often feel that the smaller horses stay sounder.

I agree, but I have a longer leg so I feel more comfortable on horses with a bit more height/size to them. I am not looking for some 17.3 hand giant, but I would prefer to stay above 16 hands.

GoForAGallop
Jul. 5, 2012, 12:16 AM
How many? I'd be interested to know how many people bought a horse they are currently riding and competing just off photos on the listing page and nothing more. Since you brought it up, and edited out my reason in your copy of my quote.

Well I'm not about to go dredge up a list of names, but several have already posted on this thread about buying/selling based on photos alone. If you go check out the Fingerlakes Finest Updates thread on the General board, you'll see that almost everyone on there bought their Finest "sight unseen" as well.

It's fine and dandy that you want to go check out your horses in person...and for someone who is less experienced or who really needs to "bond" with a horse at first sight, that's a great idea.

That being said, it wasn't realistic for me to go look at the Fingerlakes horses in person, six hours away from me, and I wasn't seeing anything I liked at the Suffolk track. So I bought my mare just off the photos, and had her shipped. I have no problem supporting an additional horse, and knew that if she didn't work for me, I could easily find her another home after putting some training on her. Luckily, she's a doll and I'm in love.

I wasn't trying to dismiss your idea to go look at the horse in person; that's a great idea. My mare was fuzzy and dull in her track photos, and one of her feet looked slightly clubby. No fault of the volunteers who took the listing in under five minutes, they're not pros and don't have the time to stand every horse up perfectly. She arrived off the trailer a mess as well due to some bad care between the track and me, but she's now drop dead gorgeous. I'm just saying that it's unfair to classify everyone who looks at photos as "just browsing." There are plenty of legitimate buyers who buy off photos alone, particularly OTTBs.

vdowning13
Jul. 5, 2012, 12:54 AM
Well I'm not about to go dredge up a list of names, but several have already posted on this thread about buying/selling based on photos alone. If you go check out the Fingerlakes Finest Updates thread on the General board, you'll see that almost everyone on there bought their Finest "sight unseen" as well.

It's fine and dandy that you want to go check out your horses in person...and for someone who is less experienced or who really needs to "bond" with a horse at first sight, that's a great idea.

That being said, it wasn't realistic for me to go look at the Fingerlakes horses in person, six hours away from me, and I wasn't seeing anything I liked at the Suffolk track. So I bought my mare just off the photos, and had her shipped. I have no problem supporting an additional horse, and knew that if she didn't work for me, I could easily find her another home after putting some training on her. Luckily, she's a doll and I'm in love.

I wasn't trying to dismiss your idea to go look at the horse in person; that's a great idea. My mare was fuzzy and dull in her track photos, and one of her feet looked slightly clubby. No fault of the volunteers who took the listing in under five minutes, they're not pros and don't have the time to stand every horse up perfectly. She arrived off the trailer a mess as well due to some bad care between the track and me, but she's now drop dead gorgeous. I'm just saying that it's unfair to classify everyone who looks at photos as "just browsing." There are plenty of legitimate buyers who buy off photos alone, particularly OTTBs.

I am in the same boat...I will not be able to see these horses as it will cost more to go out to see them then their asking prices. I am a very cautious buyer though and will make sure I am choosing the right horse before juping into anything.

Bogie
Jul. 5, 2012, 08:45 AM
How many? I'd be interested to know how many people bought a horse they are currently riding and competing just off photos on the listing page and nothing more. Since you brought it up, and edited out my reason in your copy of my quote.

I got my current OTTB based solely on the word of the someone I know who works on behalf of CANTER. I'd never even seen him when I picked him up. Honestly, when I first saw him, I thought he was too small for me (I'm 6'). That was 5 years ago :D.

foxhavenfarm
Jul. 5, 2012, 10:13 AM
How many? I'd be interested to know how many people bought a horse they are currently riding and competing just off photos on the listing page and nothing more. Since you brought it up, and edited out my reason in your copy of my quote.

We bought several based on photos alone. Several broodmares, so not competing, but we also bought our stallion based on photos only. We knew we'd hit the jackpot when he walked off the trailer. He's not currently competing either due to my lack of time/money, but he's never had any soundness issues and was schooling up to Prelim level.

vdowning13
Jul. 5, 2012, 12:56 PM
I have asked for more pictures of Brooky Bear, and am anxiously awaiting more pictures of Cover Ur Heart.

vdowning13
Jul. 5, 2012, 01:00 PM
I also like this mare:

#7 - Camakello

http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thoroughbreds&action=display&thread=113

I am a little worried about her age though.

GoForAGallop
Jul. 5, 2012, 01:01 PM
I also like this mare:

#7 - Camakello

http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thoroughbreds&action=display&thread=113

I am a little worried about her age though.

She is long, but a classy lady. Her age is literally the last thing I would be worried about out of all the things you could be worried about. If she's sound after nine years of racing, and someone has valued her enough to keep her that way, she will be sound for many, many more years to come.

GoForAGallop
Jul. 5, 2012, 01:16 PM
Absolutely love that mare Our Helen Wheels that GoforaGallop posted. I'm not a mare person, but that package has everything else going for it, in my opinion.

Small can be good because I often feel that the smaller horses stay sounder.

Isn't she fantastic?! I am sitting on my hands on a daily basis and hoping to see her moved to the sold folder ASAP, because I can't get her off my mind.

I'm 5'2'', so I like the little ones, and I think she's a fantastic, athletic-looking girl. Unfortunately, I barely have time for my Fingerlakes baby from last season, and am moving in the next year so will lose my cheap horse care. :(

judybigredpony
Jul. 5, 2012, 01:19 PM
I must say she is lovely and elegant looking....her age if not for re-sell isn't an issue. If she has had down time and doesn't pine for the structure of track life..why not..:)

vineyridge
Jul. 5, 2012, 01:41 PM
Camakello has an incredible engine on her. She almost looks as if she were bred to jump. Every time I see a horse with a long back and a huge engine, I always hark back to Darco--well, Parco in this case.
http://www.ludophilippaerts.be/english/stoeterijdorperheide_horses_detail.php?horse=20070 001

She also has a VERY interesting pedigree.

bornfreenowexpensive
Jul. 5, 2012, 01:53 PM
I like the grey mare. He age would nix it for a re-sale but if I was looking for myself...she is totally my type. And very clean looking legs for a long race career.

ace**
Jul. 5, 2012, 01:54 PM
Another vote for Camakello, I really like her look!

vdowning13
Jul. 5, 2012, 06:17 PM
Camakello is now 10 years old...I am really weary of her age because I'd like something I can take up the levels, and I don't want her age and the wear and tear from all those years at the track to become an issue.

vdowning13
Jul. 5, 2012, 06:22 PM
Cover Ur Heart is definitely my first choice at this point. I also like Brooky Bear a lot, but her neck seems short/off in proportion to the rest of her. Am I just seeing things or does she really have a short neck?

Vermilion
Jul. 5, 2012, 07:30 PM
I don't believe Brooky Bear's neck is too terribly short. The mare happens to have a very long bottom line compared to the top line making her back look long, but I don't believe her back is that long by itself (I believe it may actually be short). What she needs for her neck is some proper muscling and groceries.

If you were to measure the length of her neck and compare it to the measurement of the back length, I think you might find somewhat similar numbers. What I think may be hurting her neck's appearance is that the muscling and headset she has in the photo makes her appear a tad ewe necked, which you'd only be able to determine with more photos or in person.

From what you can see, there's not too much else you can fault her on. May be a little light of bone, but she looks like she's got some nice big feet. A big muscular shoulder with a hind end to match, too. All in all, I think she is a very nice athletic picture and definitely warrants a visit!

Good luck with your hunt though, the chase is half the fun!

SEPowell
Jul. 5, 2012, 08:10 PM
I also like this mare:

#7 - Camakello

http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thoroughbreds&action=display&thread=113

I am a little worried about her age though.


I love this mare and she comes from great people. I wouldn't worry about her age especially if you meet her and feel like she's the one.

I bought a horse named Forgotten Cat at the end of his 9 year old yearwho I finally started this year at 11. I see many many years of eventing in his future, and he had a hard racing career with many many owners.

Anyway, forgive my digression, I just don't want you to hold back too much if age is the only factor. The Progno's take good care of their horses and if they say they're sound you can count on it.

Also, I think it was Brooky Bear's neck you were worried about... I think she's a lovely mare and her neck is not too short at all. If you think of her neck as starting at the base of her withers you can sort of visualize what she'll look like in dressage after she's had a chance to develop a topline. I think she's well made and looks like a super prospect.

Of course I want you to wait it out until the perfect Finest comes along :D

vdowning13
Jul. 5, 2012, 10:19 PM
I love this mare and she comes from great people. I wouldn't worry about her age especially if you meet her and feel like she's the one.

I bought a horse named Forgotten Cat at the end of his 9 year old yearwho I finally started this year at 11. I see many many years of eventing in his future, and he had a hard racing career with many many owners.

Anyway, forgive my digression, I just don't want you to hold back too much if age is the only factor. The Progno's take good care of their horses and if they say they're sound you can count on it.

Also, I think it was Brooky Bear's neck you were worried about... I think she's a lovely mare and her neck is not too short at all. If you think of her neck as starting at the base of her withers you can sort of visualize what she'll look like in dressage after she's had a chance to develop a topline. I think she's well made and looks like a super prospect.

Of course I want you to wait it out until the perfect Finest comes along :D

Would it be at all possible to get video footage of Camakello? I absolutely LOVE greys! :D

ohrebecca
Jul. 5, 2012, 11:02 PM
Cross Ur Heart is definitely my first choice at this point. I also like Brooky Bear a lot, but her neck seems short/off in proportion to the rest of her. Am I just seeing things or does she really have a short neck?

judybigredpony has already picked up Cover Ur Heart, if I recall correctly...

vdowning13
Jul. 5, 2012, 11:15 PM
judybigredpony has already picked up Cover Ur Heart, if I recall correctly...

Yup she just arrived today.

SEPowell
Jul. 6, 2012, 07:12 AM
Would it be at all possible to get video footage of Camakello? I absolutely LOVE greys! :D

I'll be going sometime during July 10 -18, maybe even twice during that period and so I'll do my best to get some for you.

If you want to come along let me know.

judybigredpony
Jul. 6, 2012, 10:33 AM
Deleted until CANTER Ad re-Activated

Jleegriffith
Jul. 6, 2012, 11:52 AM
I just put up three new horses on on the CANTER Del Park listings- http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&view=alphacontent&Itemid=283 and I believe they are all free. I advise a vetting but could potentially be very nice horses.

vdowning13
Jul. 6, 2012, 12:53 PM
I am pretty set on Cover Ur Heart at this point...But I may be convinced to buy 2 prodpects if the price is right :)

vdowning13
Jul. 6, 2012, 01:08 PM
I'll be going sometime during July 10 -18, maybe even twice during that period and so I'll do my best to get some for you.

If you want to come along let me know.

I am located in Montana so it would be tough to come along...I'm anxiously awaiting video and new prospects though :D

Justa Bob
Jul. 6, 2012, 01:13 PM
I am pretty set on Cover Ur Heart at this point...But I may be convinced to buy 2 prodpects if the price is right :)

You did see this thread, right? It could be a two-for-one if the horses fit your needs.

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359662

The rest of us shameless enablers are hanging with bated breath!

leahandpie
Jul. 6, 2012, 01:46 PM
I just put up three new horses on on the CANTER Del Park listings- http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&view=alphacontent&Itemid=283 and I believe they are all free. I advise a vetting but could potentially be very nice horses.

Holy wow, those are three nice geldings...seriously. I would take all three of them if I could. (Great Magic, Bounced Back and Mon of my Own)

tle
Jul. 6, 2012, 01:54 PM
Ya'll are awful!! I'm the process of starting to look for an OTTB myself. Have 1 that I know the owner/breeder and have seen the mare in person. Breeder is the wife of my wonderful vet so I'm waiting for her to get back to me on specifics (like price). Came across a LOVELY 12 yo mare that I wish were a couple years younger the other day for sale near me. OTTB with over $100K in winnings and over 70 races -- retired SOUND from the track at age 9!! Evidently has a good head on her shoulders as well. May take her on as a (short term) project just to smooth out her canter and see if she has any interest in jumping. Have a friend who has her trainer's license who just emailed me about a couple at the track she found -- although I'm not sure I'm interested in an unraced (yes) not-broke (??) 3 yo or a 5yo that may have chips. LOVE the look of the Canter listing someone posted earlier.... and have one through New Vocations I am kind of drooling over.

Haven't owned in over 6 years. Am on my own with a 4 acre farm that I hope to expand to 5.5 acres in the near future. Have horses to ride but think owning one of my own would do me some good. Trying to get a handle on why it's a scary prospect (I think it's the $$).

Gestalt
Jul. 6, 2012, 03:38 PM
I also like this mare:

#7 - Camakello

http://fingerlakesfinesttbs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=thoroughbreds&action=display&thread=113

I am a little worried about her age though.

If I was looking for a horse I would buy this girl from her pictures (plus a ppe). The first pic of her frame made me go "yum" and the 2nd one of her face took my heart. She is beautiful!!!!!

Ace
Jul. 7, 2012, 08:18 AM
If I was looking for a horse I would buy this girl from her pictures (plus a ppe). The first pic of her frame made me go "yum" and the 2nd one of her face took my heart. She is beautiful!!!!!

This, exactly - and I'm normally a gelding-only kind of girl! I hope you get some video of her and report back!

visorvet
Jul. 7, 2012, 10:42 PM
I just put up three new horses on on the CANTER Del Park listings- http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&view=alphacontent&Itemid=283 and I believe they are all free. I advise a vetting but could potentially be very nice horses.

The grey is gorgeous.

vdowning13
Jul. 7, 2012, 11:19 PM
This, exactly - and I'm normally a gelding-only kind of girl! I hope you get some video of her and report back!

I can't wait to get video of her :)

judybigredpony
Jul. 10, 2012, 09:56 PM
You have e-mail....:)

brightskyfarm
Jul. 11, 2012, 01:40 PM
There will be a trailer leaving for Montana shortly! A Penn National trainer mentioned to me today that its going to the Bitterroot area of Montana -- final details are set in stone --- and I metioned that someone is wanting to ship that direction! (what are the odds?? this is good karma).

that isnt far from you, is it Val? Lets get you connected with this driver!

and lets find out if a stop in Ohio can help tle too!

vdowning13
Jul. 12, 2012, 04:17 PM
There will be a trailer leaving for Montana shortly! A Penn National trainer mentioned to me today that its going to the Bitterroot area of Montana -- final details are set in stone --- and I metioned that someone is wanting to ship that direction! (what are the odds?? this is good karma).

that isnt far from you, is it Val? Lets get you connected with this driver!

and lets find out if a stop in Ohio can help tle too!

Nope only about half an hour!

sadlmakr
Jul. 12, 2012, 09:36 PM
I bought my tall grey Arabian sight unseen. He was a rescue horse and needed a home desperately. A friend saw him and told me his description and his bloodlines and I said yes. He turned out to be not just the best horse I ever had but he became a soul mate, best friend. He was with me for 4 1/2 years and went on to greater things. I still miss him.
I understand what all of you are saying but sometimes it works out good like it did for me.

Debbie
Jul. 15, 2012, 10:52 PM
One more to consider: http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6381:impulse-purchase&catid=50:delaware-park-trainer-listings

If he were a mare, I'd call dibs. With weight and muscle he's going to be a hunk and he's got some great breeding behind him.

Poor sweet boy is getting the death stare from his handler, LOL.

judybigredpony
Jul. 16, 2012, 11:34 AM
Heart is absolutely lovely in every way, more impressive in person.
She has started some let down.
Her feet are not clubby in the least and very even is size. She wants so much to a be in your pocket peppermint pony. Once she knows you what a snuggler..:).
She will make someone a VERY Fancy ride!!!!!
Her connections felt she had a better chance for a new home if she was not on the track w/ the hassels involved scheduling to be seen there. I am hoping she will be going to montana soon..but still waiting

brightskyfarm
Jul. 16, 2012, 02:33 PM
I too am waiting to hear from Val -- on horses here at PN, and shipping to montana.

columbus
Jul. 16, 2012, 06:36 PM
Royal Trace has a great pedigree for sport and lovely conformation for eventing.
PatO

RooMB4
Jul. 16, 2012, 08:09 PM
What about Anclotes Razbunare on the Second Start page?

judybigredpony
Jul. 16, 2012, 09:21 PM
Vdowning...Brightsky and I have been patiently waiting for phone calls not e-mails and some show of commitment.
We both have complied with your requests and even found a shipper going your way to Montana that alone is HUGE.

At this juncture COTH suspiscion is rearing it heads.

Please prove us wrong and follow thru or admit its a pipe dream and move on....

We have owners to answer to and business to run, with expenses to meet. I put new shoes on this mare and have been holding her for you....time to make a commitment or move on...

xcjumper
Jul. 17, 2012, 11:53 AM
One more to consider: http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6381:impulse-purchase&catid=50:delaware-park-trainer-listings

If he were a mare, I'd call dibs. With weight and muscle he's going to be a hunk and he's got some great breeding behind him.

Poor sweet boy is getting the death stare from his handler, LOL.


I'm trying to contact this trainer for information because I am interested in this one but the number is not correct. Does anyone know how to get hold of this trainer? Thanks!

Debbie
Jul. 17, 2012, 01:37 PM
PM jleegriffth, she'll know how to get in touch. Good luck; I'm envious!

Jleegriffith
Jul. 17, 2012, 01:58 PM
I will try to figure out what the right number is and get back to you.

brightskyfarm
Jul. 17, 2012, 03:02 PM
I'm trying to contact this trainer for information because I am interested in this one but the number is not correct. Does anyone know how to get hold of this trainer? Thanks!

the listing gives a contact> Contact Shelly: 717-342-9402
The horse is in Columbia, Pa -- south of harrisburg
ok, I didnt see the exchange about the number...

Ive recieved a lot of PMs about contacting the owner. --- Ive removed his number, called him and requested a return call for the proper contact.

Meanwhile, for those looking at horss in this area -- the Throroughbred Adoption Program from Penn National in conjunction with New Vocations has a lot of nice horses in the same price range ....$750 or less -- also available nearby in Grantville --- nicely started by jr riders ..over fences and xtry jumps too. Contact > Cheryl Keller PH: (717) 329-0567

Here is the link to all the horses for adoption !
http://www.horseadoption.com/thoroughbreds/?SORT=Pennsylvania
Joking Sam stands 17h and is ready for local shows! fee -0-

xcjumper
Jul. 17, 2012, 03:58 PM
Thanks guys! I called the office and got his email address. Hopefully that works. I also left a message about Line Camp...no response yet on that one. Do you guys have any info on these two? Any idea how to get videos? If you can PM me an information that would be great!!
Thanks!!

brightskyfarm
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:09 PM
Thanks guys! I called the office and got his email address. Hopefully that works. I also left a message about Line Camp...no response yet on that one. Do you guys have any info on these two? Any idea how to get videos? If you can PM me an information that would be great!!
Thanks!!

are you really in Arizona?
just curious.
Turf Paradise will be open in Oct. I know a fellow racing there with some nice stock.

I learned something today -- Canter has a new chapter in Arizona. :)
http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&view=alphacontent&Itemid=429

xcjumper
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:24 PM
Haha! Yes, I am! Not having much luck finding any nice ones around here right now....

Simkie
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:31 PM
I learned something today -- Canter has a new chapter in Arizona. :)
http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&view=alphacontent&Itemid=429

CANTER also has a new chapter in Colorado, and we have A LOT of very nice horses listed!

http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&view=alphacontent&Itemid=397

brightskyfarm
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:32 PM
Haha! Yes, I am! Not having much luck finding any nice ones around here right now....

I saw there was one returned to the listings (due to personal issues) that the lady has 6 months of professional dressagae trainging into this horse!
Plus several 17h'rs --- and most other good sized proportionate built horses.

Nice site ---
My friend is split his string between Idaho and Ca (sacramento) after leaving Turfway ---- kinda tempting to think of traveling the circuit like that. -- but he'll be back to Turfway !
is this the track you are closest to?

brightskyfarm
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:37 PM
CANTER also has a new chapter in Colorado, and we have A LOT of very nice horses listed!

http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?option=com_alphacontent&view=alphacontent&Itemid=397

Thats wonderful! Much needed and like the pioneers, spreading westward! . Ill have to take a look -- ;)

mkevent
Jul. 17, 2012, 04:58 PM
Brightsky-would it be possible for the owner to contact me if xcjumper is not interested in Impulse Purchase?

Maybe have a list of standby Cothers interested in case it doesn't pan out for the first interested party?

Thanks!

xcjumper
Jul. 17, 2012, 05:02 PM
still interested in Impulse Purchase..waiting for a return call or email.

Simkie-I will send you a PM when I get home from work tonight about a couple of the horses I saw on the CO website. Thanks!

KateMcCall
Jul. 17, 2012, 07:47 PM
Am I the only person who can't view horse #2 :confused:

Simkie
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:02 PM
Am I the only person who can't view horse #2 :confused:

She was purchased way back on page one or two, so I imagine CANTER has removed the listing.

KateMcCall
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:05 PM
She was purchased way back on page one or two, so I imagine CANTER has removed the listing.

oh, oopps! I didn't really read thoroughly.

judybigredpony
Jul. 17, 2012, 08:54 PM
waiting for CANTER Ad to be re-listed

Debbie
Jul. 17, 2012, 09:14 PM
That sucks Judybigredpony but I'm sure Heart will find her person. She's just lovely.

brightskyfarm
Jul. 17, 2012, 09:32 PM
Mary Dean has been removed from her Canter listing as shes been sold >>> you know what they say ...Money talks.

There is still shipping available between Penn National and Montana(Bitterroot area) -- dates flexible at this time.
(within the month?)

On selling horses states away -- Its always been my best policy to get contact information immediately -- talk to each other, make sure intentions are known up front, proper monies and contracts made --- do good business.

bornfreenowexpensive
Jul. 17, 2012, 10:02 PM
Mods to be very clear...Heart will remain active on C.A.N.T.E.R. for sale w/ me as contact for her connections.
She is letting down and will start some basics shortly. She had some heel bruises I thought that were going to be abscess, but it looks like new shoes, rain and some time off has done wonders.....This is a big bold vary fancy moving mare w/ impeccable wheels..:)......

I'm sure she will sell soon. It is so much easier to buy them when they are at a layup facility or other farm rather than still at the track.

showhorsegallery
Jul. 17, 2012, 10:22 PM
Oh, I really love this one:
http://www.horseadoption.com/horseprofiles/charcoal-city/

Too bad it's not December, that's when I want to get serious about looking for a second.

brightskyfarm
Jul. 17, 2012, 10:33 PM
Oh, I really love this one:
http://www.horseadoption.com/horseprofiles/charcoal-city/

Too bad it's not December, that's when I want to get serious about looking for a second.

Yes, he is! Hes better looking in person! > of course! Why not just go take a look --- take a ride and give him his daily session ... I'm sure Cheryl would love one more *volunteer* for the afternoon :)

showhorsegallery
Jul. 17, 2012, 10:40 PM
Yes, he is! Hes better looking in person! > of course! Why not just go take a look --- take a ride and give him his daily session ... I'm sure Cheryl would love one more *volunteer* for the afternoon :)

I would LOVE to volunteer. Way cheaper than buying a second :) I miss when I used to get to ride the babies at my barn. But a las the commute from Florida to PA would be too difficult :)

If I could get a second now I would. But I'm currently finishing up a ton of freelance work and it doesn't make sense timewise for another until I put those projects to rest. Which is why I'm thinking a Christmas present for myself.

Though I keep seeing these lovely horses online (I can't help myself, I love to look) and it makes me want to speed up my timeline. Seriously I'm supposed to be doing my freelance right now but here I am oggling OTTBs.

EDIT: Sent you a PM with some questions.

xcjumper
Jul. 18, 2012, 12:02 AM
Simkie-I sent you a PM.

dilligaff2
Jul. 18, 2012, 12:04 PM
Update on Vdowning, after sending her a Buyer/seller agreement and bill of sale....and finding 2 haulers affordable...I got email saying Oops I bought a horse today somewhere else....I imagine Brightsky got similar...

Mods to be very clear...Heart will remain active on C.A.N.T.E.R. for sale w/ me as contact for her connections.
She is letting down and will start some basics shortly. She had some heel bruises I thought that were going to be abscess, but it looks like new shoes, rain and some time off has done wonders.....This is a big bold vary fancy moving mare w/ impeccable wheels..:)......

Can you please forward me a link to her CANTER Listing? He previous one is inactive.

Moderator 1
Jul. 18, 2012, 09:23 PM
Please remember that we only allow discussion of/specifics about horses for sale that are available directly through or listed by 501c3 organizations.

Thanks,
Mod 1

judybigredpony
Jul. 18, 2012, 10:07 PM
Please wait for the C.A.N.T.E.R. AD to be reactivated THANK YOU all contact information will be on the C.A.N.T.E.R. Ad