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AnEnglishRider
Jun. 29, 2012, 03:15 PM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/legends+are+exempt

This is my summer project pony Appaloosa and the ONLY name I recognize in the stock horse world is Impressive, lol (which he incidentally has in him but the horse related to Impressive in the pedigree is N/N).

This is just for fun and doesn't really fit in the "sport horse breeding". I borrowed him for the summer because I need a horse to ride and his owner needs him ridden (and sold, but I'm not advertising him yet).

This little guy is going to start my love affair with stock horses though. There's just something about him I really really like. He's built like a small tank - HUGE hip but with the shoulders to balance it out (poor guy does not photograph well, he's a blanket roan and his huge white butt always looks way higher than his shoulders even though in person you can see he's pretty level), game for anything (I specifically needed a horse to ride English, and he's been ridden English once in his life before yesterday, and he has no objections and shows decent interest in jumping small jumps with me this summer)... And I've never seen him take a lame step in his life. After my hothouse flower of a thoroughbred this probably impresses me most :lol:

His owner is going to bring me her western saddle so we can play around western too (because no matter what way you look at him, he screams "western" so we figure selling him will work out better if we've got some pictures and videos of him going western also). She says he's well bred and all I know is he's got a bunch of little stars on his pedigree online. So, what can you tell me? Is he purpose bred for anything or am I just overly impressed with him because he's got a good mind and a willingness to try?

spotsinabox
Jun. 29, 2012, 03:27 PM
Wrong kind of spots for me ... but looking at the pictures of his ancestors, it looks like he has some nice Appaloosa breeding.

I like Dreamfinder -- his dam is bred nice --Eternal Sun and Goldseeker Bars where both versatile sires. Goldseeker Bars was an AQHA Supreme Champion --back in the days when they did everything.

Mr Impressive was a beautiful horse - had a great dam ...love those Joe Reed/Leo lines. Good thing your guy is N/N.

Dandy Seeker is another good combination of Goldseeker Bars and Joe Reed/Leo lines.

My senior paint stallion has a lot of Joe Reed/Leo breeding and I just love the "heart" that is stamped into them...

threedogpack
Jun. 29, 2012, 09:23 PM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/legends+are+exempt

She says he's well bred and all I know is he's got a bunch of little stars on his pedigree online. So, what can you tell me?

when you go to allbreedpedigree, click on any in the ped, and directly to the right of the name is a little "i" in a circle and sometimes a photo icon.

the little i in the circle is for information, click on that this is what comes up for Exempt Appaloosa:

Color: w
Height: 15.1H N/N

HYPP N/N, PSSM1 n/P1
H-
ROM Halter
2002 Far West Champion 3 Year Old Stallion
100% color producer
Great mind and disposition
www.slashe.com

it tells how tall he is/was, 15.1 has a ROM in halter, was 02
yada yada. You can do that for any name in the ped, but the red asterisk means the ped for that horse is there.

another good place to look is QHD dot com. It references Quarter horses but also does some Apps and some Paints.

when you click on the photo icon for his mama, it shows her with a foal....is that him as a baby?

cutter99
Jun. 29, 2012, 10:02 PM
Believe it or not, Impressive is not the worst breeding in the world to have! I am not condoning breeding horses that are N/H or H/H, but Impressive horses that are not carriers can be incredibly nice horses.

I was always told Impressives don't ride, won't work a cow, can't jump- they are only made to stand on the line and be looked at as halter horses. I owned an Impressive bred mare who was not only pretty but could jog without jostling you all day long. I've also known more than one Impressive bred horse personally that have an admirable amount of NCHA earnings, which is not always easy to do for any horse in the Northeast!

Enjoy your horse! Please post a picture as I'd love to see him!!!

AnEnglishRider
Jun. 29, 2012, 11:25 PM
Well, he certainly cannot jog... Not smoothly at least! His owner and I both love riding bareback and will try it on most any horse - we both did it once on this one and his trot, even slow, was so awful neither of us did it again!

He's pretty athletic though, he had a good lead change at 4 and even after almost a year of not being ridden he isn't really in too bad of a shape. I think having their herd turned out on 300 acres helps keep them in shape though, they go pull them out of the pasture every summer and playday on all their horses with no prep and the horses are fine at the end of the night. I rode him pretty good today and he was only a little sweaty and it was already 95 degrees at 9am when I was riding.

I'll post a picture once I get home... He had a blanket when he was younger but he's also a roan and he's gone really white from 4 yrs to 6.

Lynnwood
Jun. 30, 2012, 04:29 AM
Believe it or not, Impressive is not the worst breeding in the world to have! I am not condoning breeding horses that are N/H or H/H, but Impressive horses that are not carriers can be incredibly nice horses.

I was always told Impressives don't ride, won't work a cow, can't jump- they are only made to stand on the line and be looked at as halter horses. I owned an Impressive bred mare who was not only pretty but could jog without jostling you all day long. I've also known more than one Impressive bred horse personally that have an admirable amount of NCHA earnings, which is not always easy to do for any horse in the Northeast!

Enjoy your horse! Please post a picture as I'd love to see him!!!

Also noting that even though the trait can be traced back to Impressive it was the extreme inbreeding back to him that solidified the issues with HYPP.

Bluey
Jun. 30, 2012, 07:40 AM
Also noting that even though the trait can be traced back to Impressive it was the extreme inbreeding back to him that solidified the issues with HYPP.

Not really, the HYPP mutation is a dominant gene and comes down without any inbreeding necessary.

Now Impressive himself was inbred as he went back to Three Bars close up several times, but that geneticists say was not a factor in the mutation, HYPP just happened to one gene, that lost the genetic lottery:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/impressive6

I wonder if what you meant to say is that Impressive was such a good sire for what some wanted that he was bred to so much and that spread the gene, not inbreeding, before it was found to be there and most people quit wanting any Impressive bred horses because of that.

When Impressive foals started to hit trainer's barns, there was one other problem with them, they tended to, when young, be self destructive.
I heard more than one trainer say that their Impressive offspring were the ones that did things to themselves, would lose it and ran thru fences or got hurt otherwise more than most other young horses they ever had to train.
Once they were finally mature, 6 and up, they seemed to quit that and act more sensibly.
I don't know if some of those were not HYPP N/N and what the trainers were seeing is that, just didn't know what was happening.

I saw one yearling ready to enter a halter class have what I thought were seizures, now understand it was an HYPP episode and it was scary and sad.

I will never understand why anyone breeding today is still not testing and only breeding N/N, in any breed.:(

Not knowing the horse itself, just going by the breeding lines that that quarter horse, he seems to be mostly show type horses closer up.
I would expect to find any of that breeding coming thru to be nice, bigger, sensible type horses, not especially cowy, that can be used for most anything that doesn't require specialization, will do fine with good basic training.
If the horse has a good mind, he should be wonderful to work with and enjoy.
The old type appaloosa he doesn't seem to have close up had some eye issues, that this horse may have avoided crossed like he is.

goneriding24
Jun. 30, 2012, 09:45 AM
Along with what others have said, Alias Smith and Jones was a running fool, I think. Gojak is from the Goer line, which have been known to be a bit goosey. But they are both so far back, I doubt there is too much influence, especially after what you've posted and experienced with him.

Bluey, the breeding of N/H horses has been explained to me (not that I agree with it) that 'at least' they aren't breeding full fledged H/H horses, the odds have been cut down BUT they are still getting the heavily muscled horses wanted for halter classes.

I've known some saddle Impressive horses. I sold one years ago for a client. She wasn't something I'd fork myself but she was a decent saddle horse...once I got all the bugs out of her. Sheesh, she was a mess! Her selling owner wasn't too smart about horses and she figgered it out.

Then, an acquaintance bought a couple of Impressives for U/S. Not too bad, just BIG. Good for going straight down the road, nothing too physically taxing. They were just too big. Like a big Warmblood who hasn't gotten all the workings going just right. Not my cuppa, though.

RRD
Jun. 30, 2012, 11:25 AM
This little guy is going to start my love affair with stock horses though. There's just something about him I really really like.

I would imagine, the breeding on the top is very nice, but the bottom I think I like even better. Gojak is by Goer, and there is also Wiescamp breeding as well as horses like Mighty bright and Bright Eyes Brother. All outstanding horses, Maddons Bright eye's is one of my all time favorites...:yes:
Bright Eyes Brother and Maddons Bright Eyes were both out of the controversial pintaloosa mare Plaudette.

AnEnglishRider
Jul. 1, 2012, 12:09 AM
Funny you should mention running through fences... The first day I showed up after he got there the first thing someone said to me was "He sure doesn't seem to mind that hotwire..."

And his legs are covered in old superficial scars like he's probably been running through fences for awhile. And his owner got fed up with him as a five year old last september (him being an idiot and bucking a lot) and sent him back out to their land to live with the cows until I asked to borrow him this summer, lol. He's grown up a lot though, he hasn't even offered to buck with me yet. And he jumped crossrails without hesitation tonight. I didn't actually expect him to be so willing, there was just some crossrails already up and I was like "well, we'll go for it, I'll keep my leg on and if he goes he goes and if he doesn't we'll deal with that."

Alright, here's a couple cell phone pictures... He looks kind of like a halter horse right now because he's so fat. I am realistic, I don't expect him to slim down like my thoroughbred but at the same time I noticed when I was hosing him off today that there's not even any seperation between his butt cheeks under his tail, it's like a solid wall. And no matter how hard I pressed I couldn't come close to feeling his ribs. He basically squishes when you touch him right now.

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af182/MadBurns_2010/photo-4.jpg

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af182/MadBurns_2010/legend.jpg

I'm going to have to get someone to hold him to take sales pictures, he looks really nice with his head up, but on his own he rarely lifts it above his withers.

Can't wait for his owner to loan me her western saddle :D

Lynnwood
Jul. 1, 2012, 12:43 AM
Not really, the HYPP mutation is a dominant gene and comes down without any inbreeding necessary.

Now Impressive himself was inbred as he went back to Three Bars close up several times, but that geneticists say was not a factor in the mutation, HYPP just happened to one gene, that lost the genetic lottery:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/impressive6

I wonder if what you meant to say is that Impressive was such a good sire for what some wanted that he was bred to so much and that spread the gene, not inbreeding, before it was found to be there and most people quit wanting any Impressive bred horses because of that.

When Impressive foals started to hit trainer's barns, there was one other problem with them, they tended to, when young, be self destructive.
I heard more than one trainer say that their Impressive offspring were the ones that did things to themselves, would lose it and ran thru fences or got hurt otherwise more than most other young horses they ever had to train.
Once they were finally mature, 6 and up, they seemed to quit that and act more sensibly.
I don't know if some of those were not HYPP N/N and what the trainers were seeing is that, just didn't know what was happening.

I saw one yearling ready to enter a halter class have what I thought were seizures, now understand it was an HYPP episode and it was scary and sad.

I will never understand why anyone breeding today is still not testing and only breeding N/N, in any breed.:(

Not knowing the horse itself, just going by the breeding lines that that quarter horse, he seems to be mostly show type horses closer up.
I would expect to find any of that breeding coming thru to be nice, bigger, sensible type horses, not especially cowy, that can be used for most anything that doesn't require specialization, will do fine with good basic training.
If the horse has a good mind, he should be wonderful to work with and enjoy.
The old type appaloosa he doesn't seem to have close up had some eye issues, that this horse may have avoided crossed like he is.

What I "ment" to say was breeding to him including inbreeding and the frequency that it was done certainly spread that mutation like wild fire. It is as of late thought that the mutation started with Impressives's damn Glamour Bars or even further back. I read that there were two none Impressive bred mares tested positive at UC Davis and they both were tested multiple times for verification and BOTH mares had no Impressive but could be traced back to Glamour Bars. This would make sense that it existed but none of the other horses were bred with the frequency that Impressive was so maybe nobody really noticed or saw enough replication of symptoms to warrant looking for an answer.

AnEnglishRider
Jul. 4, 2012, 01:47 AM
Picked up his owners western saddle 8) so fun. Rode him in it today and with some work he will jog, he just won't lope (the canter is still a rather uncoordinated effort for him since he's out of shape... The cue is for me to kick him then get the heck out of his way - off his back, out of his face, if I mess with him at all he'll break, he's just so fat. I looked like an idiot in front of people from high school today, I tried to look like I actually knew how to ride and sat and cued for the canter like I would on an in shape trained animal and ended up just running him into the canter from the trot. After that I quit trying to look like I knew what I was doing and I simply got off his back and let him move forward. He's got to canter though, he can trot all day long an not break a sweat somehow).

His owner printed some of his baby pictures for me and gave them to me and her sister looked at them and said "who's that?" and she said "Legend" and her sister said "So when did he get ugly?" :lol: he's a really cute chestnut with a blanket and a blaze as a foal.

Bluey
Jul. 4, 2012, 07:56 AM
So nice to have a horse with a history, even baby pictures.
How neat is that, even if he is ugly now.:lol:

Yes, horses tend to find a way to humble us.;)
The more we think we know, the more they will do it.:p

Sounds like you will have much fun with him.:cool:

I Winglish AQHA
Jul. 10, 2012, 03:23 PM
He is very cute and definitely has halter blood in him. Have fun with him this summer.

They do test all horses now at registry for HYPP. Their HYPP status is printed right on their registration paper. AQHA will no longer register HYPP H/H horses.

OveroHunter
Jul. 10, 2012, 04:05 PM
Look at the hip on that guy, I like him!

He's pretty well bred too. Dreamfinder was a big deal stallion in the ApHC. I'm not familiar with Exempt though. Goldseeker Bars is another popular line. He's got good blood and I can tell why he looks like a brick s*** house :)

OveroHunter
Jul. 10, 2012, 04:06 PM
PickeHis owner printed some of his baby pictures for me and gave them to me and her sister looked at them and said "who's that?" and she said "Legend" and her sister said "So when did he get ugly?" :lol: he's a really cute chestnut with a blanket and a blaze as a foal.

Don't worry, I think he's gorgeous :)

This (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=549821516160&set=a.521995893930.2027093.4923850&type=3&theater#!/photo.php?fbid=549821526140&set=a.521995893930.2027093.4923850&type=3&theater) is an ugly appaloosa. She wore a 82" blanket and was only 15.1 :eek:

propspony
Jul. 10, 2012, 07:28 PM
Hey! My TB mare wears an 82" and is only 15-15.1 (on a tall day...) ;-p ROFL!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666029454708&l=b20bcb6e34

AnEnglishRider
Jul. 11, 2012, 12:58 AM
You do not want to know how many days I've showed up to be informed that he has broken the hotwire....

The barn has actually been quite patient with him but I think someone will be on permanent stall board tomorrow if today's scheme did work - they unhooked the hotwire everywhere but his pasture and put him out in it.

The barn owner walked him up to said hotwire and he touched his nose to it and just jerked his head up in the air, and apparently it was turned up enough to make a normal horse shoot backwards at mach 10.

*sigh* he's such a cool horse but he needs to be sold to someone with good solid fencing :lol:

He does like to jump, but the past few days he's been in western bootcamp because jogging is HARD WORK. He'd prefer to just trot and canter around, jogging and loping is hard. Aaaaaand tomorrow we're going to ride English because I think I have whiplash from how rough his twits are.

Ambitious Kate
Jul. 11, 2012, 01:32 AM
FYI, on the allbreed site, the stars mean there is a photo with the horse's information. Its fun to look through the photos, and try to see 'your' horse in his ancestors.

OveroHunter
Jul. 11, 2012, 10:50 AM
Hey! My TB mare wears an 82" and is only 15-15.1 (on a tall day...) ;-p ROFL!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666029454708&l=b20bcb6e34

I love flea bitten greys!!! Your horse is on a whole other cuteness level than my old Appy :)

propspony
Jul. 11, 2012, 12:49 PM
I love flea bitten greys!!! Your horse is on a whole other cuteness level than my old Appy :)

perhaps... but I suspect that your old mare and my old mare share many of the same personality characteristics. ;-p There's a REASON my mare grew spots!!!! ROFL!

I will openly admit, I do love me some appy! :-D

AnEnglishRider
Jul. 11, 2012, 04:29 PM
Oh I'm learning all about "personality characteristics"... My own horse is the worlds sweetest most willing little thoroughbred, the kind of horse who literally comes running when you call his name.

With legend the attitude is more of "I'll do it if you make me but don't except me to act happy about it." the honeymoon is clearly over and the true personalty is coming out. Of course, the poor guy is probably a little sore (he's getting the next couple days off... I may not give in to his tantrums but I'm not an evil dictator by any means, he's gotten to the point he could benefit from a little break from "boot camp").

I did pop him over some jumps today (western boot camp is over for now, I think sitting his jog was giving me whiplash it's so rough) including his first little oxer, maybe 2'3" ish... I'll have to post the picture, maybe over in the hunter jumper section too... He's so obviously not hunter bred but he jumped a good foot higher than the jump with his knees up to his eyeballs. If he can jump like that around a course his western days might be over for now (much to his relief... He did not appreciate me making him jog for a solid half hour or 45 minutes yesterday... Nor did my joints, which is another reason western days might be more limited).

erniewalker
Jul. 11, 2012, 06:26 PM
Your new project sounds and looks a lot like the guy that landed in my lap! I bought him off a friend in January, then found a 4H girl who bought him from me... but then moved, so gave him back. The horse I never expected to own has become a seriously fun project!

Seriously- here's his ped:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zip+poe+liter

And he's a palomino roan blanket Appy... who jumps low stuff, screams Western, but is much easier and fun to ride English.

I don't have any pictures, but if you can look at this briefly enough to note that they are kinda similar without judging- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og6zKdqP-qI&feature=plcp ;) If I were smart enough to capture a still, I would.

(that was a schooling show we attended on a lark, two weeks after he became mine. We had maaaaybe four rides together, and we had arrived at the show grounds with ten minutes to spare. Nothing to see here- just glance at Max's body and nod.)

AnEnglishRider
Jul. 12, 2012, 01:55 AM
http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af182/MadBurns_2010/417644_10150944112337503_1003738773_n.jpg

15hh appaloosa cow pony shows us how playing hunter jumper is done... Not a fluke either, he jumped through every time just as nice as this, sometimes even squarer with his knees. We jumped it 3 or 4 times and on the last time I raised the back rail a hole and he jumped through just lovely.

Now he just needs to drop the 'tude. Getting his teeth done and a new coggins hopefully next week, so that will probably help (he's six and I doubt he's ever had his teeth looked at), but I also happen to know he's had an attitude his entire life (his owner exercises cutting horses and at the end of the day never wanted to deal with ANOTHER bratty horse who wanted to buck so that's one of the reasons he got sent back out to the ranch to sit for a year). He hasn't really bucked with me, more of a big crowhop and a little head tossing, just to say "I'll do it if you make me but I'm going to let you know I'm not happy about it."

Oh Legend. I wouldn't be happy about going back to work if I got to take a year off too. :lol:

If he keeps jumping that nice I may not ride him western much again... I wonder if he banked on that, he really hates jogging and forget trying to get him to "lope".

Worse camera angle but I do much better when I'm actually EXPECTING a jump that big...

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af182/MadBurns_2010/557141_10150944119762503_1332374046_n.jpg

RRD
Jul. 12, 2012, 10:26 AM
Worse camera angle but I do much better when I'm actually EXPECTING a jump that big...

http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/...32374046_n.jpg




Your faces totally match in that pic, you both look like your really concentrating.:D