NOVEMBER ELECTION RESULTS FOR L.I. & MEETING UPDATE

[Gold Dust]

Well, the night started out with the horse show comittee meeting. Being we have decided Yaphank would be the best place to have the show as long as the large schooling ring is redone to use as the main huter ring. Marty has worked it out that the all weather footing has been sponsored. Now the dilema is raising more money to bring the construction equipment in to install it. Two thousand dollars was raised right at the meeting for that but we will need more donations. Please keep in mind, the goal is to re-do the ring to make it best for all throughout the season. We show so much there it can only be the best for all. If anyone would be intersted in helping sponsor the ring work please e-mail me. Every little bit can only help.

Then the PHA meeting followed. Alvin prepared us all for the passing of his torch. Once again he stressed the point how much money is needed to operate in the best interest of all. Fund raisers are a must. Let's hear some ideas people!!! The more money we raise, the more we can do for the community.
Then the voting. A change was made to the ballot which added Jimmy Rice running for Chair person and Dick London running for Vice Chair. Results are: Jimmy Rice - President
Dick London - Vice President
Ginny Rice - Secretary
Jo Rothenburg - Treasurer
Debby de Leyer - Recording Secretary

The meeting ended with some words that would have been better left best unsaid and were not really pertaining to results of the campaign trail.
On a personal note I would like to thank Karin Immerman for running for president and my feelings are, you are a huge asset to the PHA and LIHSAA so keep up the good work. We need you in the trenches for us!!!!

[This message was edited by Gold Dust on Nov. 06, 2001 at 01:10 PM.]

[Gold Dust]

Well, the night started out with the horse show comittee meeting. Being we have decided Yaphank would be the best place to have the show as long as the large schooling ring is redone to use as the main huter ring. Marty has worked it out that the all weather footing has been sponsored. Now the dilema is raising more money to bring the construction equipment in to install it. Two thousand dollars was raised right at the meeting for that but we will need more donations. Please keep in mind, the goal is to re-do the ring to make it best for all throughout the season. We show so much there it can only be the best for all. If anyone would be intersted in helping sponsor the ring work please e-mail me. Every little bit can only help.

Then the PHA meeting followed. Alvin prepared us all for the passing of his torch. Once again he stressed the point how much money is needed to operate in the best interest of all. Fund raisers are a must. Let's hear some ideas people!!! The more money we raise, the more we can do for the community.
Then the voting. A change was made to the ballot which added Jimmy Rice running for Chair person and Dick London running for Vice Chair. Results are: Jimmy Rice - President
Dick London - Vice President
Ginny Rice - Secretary
Jo Rothenburg - Treasurer
Debby de Leyer - Recording Secretary

The meeting ended with some words that would have been better left best unsaid and were not really pertaining to results of the campaign trail.
On a personal note I would like to thank Karin Immerman for running for president and my feelings are, you are a huge asset to the PHA and LIHSAA so keep up the good work. We need you in the trenches for us!!!!

[This message was edited by Gold Dust on Nov. 06, 2001 at 01:10 PM.]

[PONYPULR]

Since we have sooo many meetings, how about a 50/50 raffle at them? If 10 peeps are at a meeting and we each put in $5 we would raise $25 at that meeting. More peeps, then less money could be put in. Details could be worked out. No good??

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[Gold Dust]

Great idea Janet. I know of many clubs that do that at their monthly meeting and generate descent money over time. $25.00 adds up month to month.
What about those seminars we had? The one with George Morris and the one with the judge. Linda A.[won't even attempt to spell her name] That one was really great. Remember, she brought some old tapes of Roxdene and other horses ad we all judged the first year class. Then she went over it with a fine tooth comb afterwards. We need to plan some more of these.!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Jane]

I was just gonna suggest more special guest appearances/seminars!! We can have several of those a year. About this Linda A person...did you say videos of Roxdene? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I totally missed that....can we invite her back? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I like Ponypulr's raffle idea too! And along that line, how about donations from tack shops, portrait artists, or indiviuals who can donate items that can be part of the raffle prizes?

Any idea from fellow BBers outside of LI? I know many of you read this thread....we would love some good ideas if you have them! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[M. O'Connor]

that would raise a lot because there are a lot of people there...and do $25 each...that would be loads by the end of the evening....

[M. O'Connor]

if she had not done that, I doubt that anyone would have taken the election at all seriously...as for the comments afterwards--I also agree with Debbie that they were totally unnecessary, and might I add way out there. Insinuations that were made were very off base, and couldn't have been farther from the truth!! But if the truth be told, it would be much stranger than fiction in this case, not to mention, farce ! Congrats to Karin for keeping her cool under these very strange circumstances!

[brilyntrip]

very sweet thank you !! Your good thoughts are warming my uh.. cockles..
I have NO COMMENT concerning you know what....

[Gold Dust]

Man could that rake in some funding that night. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif anyone want to volunteer for that job /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif My plate is a little full already for that night!!

Anytime Karin !!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

Wish I knew what you all are talking about-I think I know, but not quite sure. Is it what we were talking about at the show last week? Please supply us outsiders with a few more clues-or is this just a ploy to get more people to the meetings? LOL.

Now, for my standing question-Was the keeper of the website there and did he have any idea when he is going to start doing his job again?

[brilyntrip]

Because I am a lady and was raised properly I will not elaborate when you see gdust ask her she will fill you in. As for the points problem maybe a crank phone call would do the job I dunno.

[Gold Dust]

Do you mean the PHA mafia?????? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

Just what I thought-LOL.

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M. O'Connor:
if she had not done that, I doubt that anyone would have taken the election at all seriously.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree! YAAAAAYYYYYY Karin! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[deleyer]

Ok, I have been trying to get on the LI website a couple of times today and havent had any luck doing so, I think maybe Micheal is doing his job updating it. I know not to get to excited about this because it could be just down for other reason, but it would be nice if it was because he is updating the charts. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[gwen]

If I may ask...what is the website??? I haven't found it!!

Barb /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Sweet Pea]

Gwen - it is LIHSAA.com.

[M. O'Connor]

LIHSAA website (http://www.lihsaa.com/)

Just looked--we have the same 3 points posted that we did in July...We didn't do much in that division w/Shoo Shoo over the summer, but I'm sure we got more than ONE ribbon all summer long!

[LURKNNOMORE]

I think it would be a good idea to break up the prize into three prizes. Might encourage more people to buy. Could work out 50-25/15/10.

I got the story about the meeting-guess now I don't have to ask golddust-

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[PONYPULR]

The final speech of the night was very hurtful, not only to Karin, but to the PHA as well.

I don't think the PHA can afford any more damaging antics at this time.

[M. O'Connor]

I think either one could be used to demonstrate eligibility for "aid" if incapacitation or impairedness due to causes other than physical injury could be considered. At least one of the individuals who spoke is more than capable of continuing to make a positive and useful contribution to the group; however out of left field the remarks in the second "address" were, nothing is to be gained from responding to them or even dwelling on them for long (other than for purposes of entertainment, which could be substantial, if one has a sufficient sense of humor).

Let's all keep a good sense of humor, and move on!

[PONYPULR]

Mary, you are so right about moving on, but, HUH,WHAT'D YA SAY????!!!

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[M. O'Connor]

check your e-mail!

[Gold Dust]

In my opinion, when the new president [Jimmy] takes office, all he needs to do is take the bull by the horns and lead our orgaization. With the group of people we have and from the looks of things, new active members, the L.I. PHA will be more then fine! New ideas are already being put on the table for generating money and the horse show. To all who lurk and are not members- how about showing your support to Jimmy and make all of our jobs easier by joining and being active!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Next meeting is Dec. 3rd!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Saw some new faces at the last meeting and that was really great. Actually I heard one attended via telephone!!!!! lol /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gold Dust:
Actually I heard one attended via telephone!!!!! lol /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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You know, there is a thing called the WEB CAST...LIPHA can break new grounds. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Gold Dust]

Just the thought of our meetings for the whole www. world to see is way too funny!

Speaking of the internet: What do you guys think of doing some advertisments on the LIHSAA website? It would be a great way for it to hold its own and then some. Besides barns and trainers, do you think it would generate money from local buisness people involved in horses?

[Gold Dust]

All on the LIHSAA board do not forget-meeting this monday!!

[deleyer]

Well Well Well, Deb if you can only get yourself on a schedule with food shopping like you are with the LI meetings, you wouldnt have to get take out as much!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[M. O'Connor]

<<Speaking of the internet: What do you guys think of doing some advertisments on the LIHSAA website? It would be a great way for it to hold its own and then some. Besides barns and trainers, do you think it would generate money from local buisness people involved in horses?>>

This is a no-brainer! Of course it would be a terrific idea, and should pave the way for the site to be financially self sustaining! First things first...a webmaster with the time and the inclination to do the job properly.

[brilyntrip]

IT is a great idea!!!

[touchstone-]

Is there any way to find out what point standings are? I keep checking and there have been no results in my division from any shows after May.

I've also emailed the webmaster a couple of times over the course of the year with questions and have never recieved a reply.

I'm staying optimistic that it'll all get updated eventually, but I was just curious if there were any alternative avenues for getting the information.

Thanks!

[Gold Dust]

First-to deleyer: I look at it this way,the more meetings we have, the less I need to cook!! lol /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Touchstone:
If you go back into any L.I. thread here,the main complaint is the updates to the website so you are not alone. Hopefully after the meeting this eveing the LIHSAA board will have good news to report. Next year things WILL be different. Trust me on that one. Everyone is trying to get the update but to no avail.

Sorry Michael, it is the end of the year and this will be the topic of conversation. No one expected a daily update but at least one a month would have been nice. We would of been glad to help if you needed it. I know this whole update thing must seem like a broken record to some but, oh well, reality check!

[brilyntrip]

Unfortunately there is no alternative to the LIHSAA website.This whole situation is simply ridiculous.

[deleyer]

I honestly can not believe that Michael has not updated this website. It is so unfair to everyone who has been competing all year and have worked so hard with there accomplishments they recieved along the way throughout the year, to keep them waiting to see where they are in the standings. At last weeks meeting Laura Reed mentioned that she was in contact with Michael and he promised to get it updated in a few days, well I think he should of told her what he meant to say is that he would get to it in a couple of weeks,, Hey whats a couple of weeks when you have been waiting all year!!!!!!! Just UNFAIR!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

Is Michael McCarthy the only person who has a clue what the point standings are? Isn't there some other way to do this, with two shows left I guess there is not much anyone can do to alter their positions, but maybe someone in the lihsaa should think about jumping in and recreating them.

I hate to say it, but he is so remiss in his duties, how do we know they are going to be accurate-we are currently missing five months.

[GinnyRice]

I think the raffle idea is great - if Debbie aims me in the right direction I'll do it. Also think ads on the web site would help = when we get a worable wweb site. We spoke a long time ago about sponsors for LIHSAA divisions and there is a person who would like to sponsor a division, so lets do it.
I also think if we get organized and run a GOOD show, we can make money there. It might take a year to improve our image but it can be done. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Gr8Socks!]

I'ld be happy to volunteer my time and html skills in exchange for a little advertising on the lihsaa site.
You can see my own site at www.upeikanstudios.com (http://www.upeikanstudios.com) and I've done sites for several other people including www.gcbexteriors.com (http://www.gcbexteriors.com) and http://www.members.tripod.com/tinytack/
Just drop me a line.

[PONYPULR]

Hey, Claire!!!

Glad you have joined us!! We can use all the help we can get with that website!! Although you have no idea what you're getting yourself into!!

As to the meeting last night-
All the specs were gone over and tweeked a bit, in the hopes that some of the divisions will gain interest if the specs were loosened up.

As it stands right now, it sounds like Michael will not be doing the points next year but may give us the website. There are 2 candidates for the points and we are hoping to combine their efforts to keep things flowing and easier on the 2 of them.

As for this year's points, Laura has assured us that Michael is catching up and will get her a list of winners so she can get out the invitations for the dinner. Whether they ever get posted, I can't say.

So let's stop beating that topic to a pulp and put our energies toward improving the PHA show, and horse shows on LI in general. Your ideas will be the key.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[Gold Dust]

Here here Janet! After the meeting last night it is clear we are moving towards the better and I myself look forward to the 2002 competition year. The updated LIHSAA rules and specs will be going to the printer soon and copies will be made for all to have. I will try to always have copies with me all the time to hand out at the shows!

Now-I am going in to shut down mode on everythig else and focus on the dinner dance. All other issues are in gear so we need to zone in on the dance since it is only a month and a half away! First off- don't forget those pictures people. Mary O'Conner has been nice enough to take on that task. I know she has already recieved some so let's keep them coming.[Thanks Mary] Anyone here who lurks and has a riding shop, look out!!!LOL. One of us from the comittee will be hitting you up soon for a donation! You have been great all these past years and I would like to thank you all again for your support.[Judy and Debbie and Barry- I shall see you next week!!lol
/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I am also liking a 50/50 raffle thing- $5.00 $10.00 or $20.00 per person[this is where I need you BBs for input] and if 3oo people attend-do the math people. One lucky person and the PHA would do great on that.We need some volunteers to handle the selling of raffle tickets. Any takers yet besides Mrs. Rice? She cann't do it alone people. The more people that could help during the cocktail hour, then we could go and enjoy the rest of the evening!!!
Feedback..................
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[Improvise!]

Does the LIPHA have an existing email group? If not, you can start one at a search engine, such as Yahoo!Groups. If most or many of the members have access to email, they can receive exclusive updates and announcements via email -- like the standings, any news items or meeting notices. And once the website is up to speed, you could send out email notices about "What's New" on the site, with appropriate links. It could be set up so that only one person can post information or it could be an open forum, for discussion among LIPHA members only.
If you haven't already collected email addresses, you could simply ask LIers who post here, to send them to whoever starts the group. You'd probably have to manually screen out people who are not card-carrying, paid LIPHA members.
Just a thought as an interim or ongoing solution.
Congrats to Jimmy! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm."
--Colette
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[PONYPULR]

OK- IF -IF -IF our website could be revamped and offer advertising possibilities (as a way to keep it going) in the future, I would like to get an idea just how popular the advertising thing could/would be. We are talking about banners, not classifieds, although those are not out of the question either. If you or someone you know would be interested, please chat it up either here or in an e-mail to me. This is very important. I understand that price is a consideration, however I don't have a completely clear picture on that. I can assure you that it would be very affordable. The more interest in it- the more affordable, I'm thinking.

Also ideas like a message board/forum, a history of the Org. page, classified section, candid photo page, and LIPHA and LIHSAA Update page have been tossed around.

I have been chatting with Claire, and she has great ideas and can help us put them into fruition.

So, please let's generate some advertising interest and let me know so we can get an idea just how this endeavor will stay afloat. Thank you.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[breezymeadow]

Although I'm now in VA, am originally from Long Island. Depending on costs, layout, etc. I might be interested in advertising my fledgling sporthorse breeding operation on your site.

Keep us updated.

[brilyntrip]

Spoke with knowledgeable young person who is horsey and a whiz at designing website s . He says that our site needs revamping anyway but none if what we are discussing is hard to get done at all!!!!!I think we could get a large number of ads for a yearly fee plus classifieds none of this should be hard but we need to get all the data everything well organized to present to board !!!

[Gold Dust]

I believe Janet, that person sounds great. We need someone who will take this job on and have the time!! Have the time to take phone calls, answer e-mail,drum up advertisments and post information [ie:diner dance coming up, start thinking about table arrangements, send in checks with list of names and if reserving a full table a full list of the names....big plug done by myself there lol /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif] I this short time, look at the interest in advertising. I love the banner idea. Marty and I would definitly do an add and many of our clients I know would like to one for their buisness.

I've heard so many nice thigs about you Claire. Welcome to the madness and thanks for your offer. We could use someone with your knowledge of the WWW. world! See you at the next horseshow or when I come to Morningstar for a visit!!!

Breezymeadow-thanks and we'll keep you up to date!!!

Karin- I have seen the improvements on Catchride and they look really great. If anyone would know-he would!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Gr8Socks!]

Thanks Gold Dust. I hope everything comes through with this project. I think there's a lot of potential for the site. Feel free to email me with any other questions.
On another note no horse shows for me yet, have some steering issues to work on ~grin~ but I look forward to meeting you at Morningstar.
Have a great weekend!
~Claire

[deleyer]

Well I just got off the phone with Deb and she told me that the invitations are being mailed out next week for the LIPHA dinner dance. Dinner Dance? Oh there is still a Dinner Dance? Who going to it? No one knows if they even have a chance with 6th place!!! So if you dont think this is a problem then I dont know what is, i understand that we should be geared up for next years improvements but this has been a problem all year. You may not want to hear anymore about this topic, like I have read in earlier posts, But its a problem that no one has gotten to the bottom of. All we have heard is that Micheal is working on it, 2 weeks ago Laura said that Micheal promised he would have an update on the points, "And again, nothing has been done. Why couldnt someone do something about this problem earlier? Instead it got worse! So how do you fix problems if you dont handle them the right way. When you saw that the job wasnt getting done, Why didnt we get another person to step in, maybe then we wouldnt have this problem. Tell me I am wrong, but dont tell me to drop the topic because we have the PHA horse show to think about, I can think of more then 1 topic at a time to focus on. Without points there is no dinner dance. And its unfair to keep people and kids hanging on to something that they might not of even had a chance in getting but they dont know not to because nothing is ever update. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[PONYPULR]

It cannot be, or could ever have been, handed over to anyone else. No one can just take over the job. We couldn't start a new site- that takes $$ and Michael has all the points anyway. He still holds the reins and until the end of the year, there is not much we can do.

I understand how all of you feel about not knowing where you stand. Heck, I'm not sure where I stand!! I am aware of some who don't know if they are even in the top 6 of their division. There is a Childrens Hunter in my barn who got a late start and could be receiving a low prize, but how would she know? She's 13th on the list right now!!!

But concerning yourself about this year's problems is truly futile at this point. Rectifying this for next year is all we should be concerned with. And we now have losts of help and input from others who can do the job.

The next step is to propose someone, their price sheet, and their ideas to the board. Laura does not want to meet until after the Dance, so we have lots of time to get organized.
Claire is available for all to talk to and question. That's a big start. I'm thrilled we have someone with ideas for an informative new site.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[Gold Dust]

As far as the website deleyer[and not just because she is my sister in-law]projects the feelings of most of our comunity. Yes,it is where we stand and we have to deal with it. I believe this was a huge mistake made by the board. I predicted this months ago and everyone said to me 'No, you cann't be right' and sorry to say I was. I do believe you should learn from mistakes. On that note, why in the world do we need to get started after the diner dance?? I was under the impression Laura did not want a meeting until after the dance. No reason we cann't get working on this now via e-mail and phone for the board or executive comittee to aprove befor our next meeting. If it needs a meeting for approval I guess I could request an emergency meeting then. Now that I am on the board I guess I will be labeled as the resident pain in the butt!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif If we have someone who is already willing to step up to the plate and has stated how easily she could begin re-vamping the site why not let her get started now? The first show of next season is just a few weeks away and I for one would be pleased to see something in motion already. I can only imagine the phone calls I will be recieving once these ivitations go out if no update has been done. How anyone could turn down the offer of Claire is beyond me. Yes, I understand she is not the point keeper but if she can start re-vamping and work on advertising isn't that a good thing? If another person is hired to keep points these two should work together or Claire could do it if she wanted??[sorry Claire] All you need is someone up on their computer skills. This has come back to haunt us and has been shown to me that this situation needs to be put up to the top of the chart right alongside the dinner dance. Not after the dinner dance. The date of that is January 4th. That is way too late in my book to get started.

[LURKNNOMORE]

I hate to be a pillar of doom, but what if it's not brought up to date soon, or ever. Why can't someone(as a backup precaution)get the show results, assume the shows posted are correct and start constructing the end of the year results. It doesn't have to be all fancy on a website, just do it and maybe fax the results to the trainers. It does not seem impossible to me.

[LURKNNOMORE]

I really like the format of this bbs and for only a few hundred a year it can be installed-it's prefab.

Another idea for the new website, rather than hitting up the same Long Island businesses again, how about going after a more national market on the advertising.

[M. O'Connor]

for figuring out the year end results...

[PONYPULR]

If Michael is in possession of the show results AND the current website, how, in the time frame of about 3 weeks, can someone get the points from him and tabulate them and post them??

I believe he is TABULATING. He's just not posting.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[Gold Dust]

I really don't know what can be done for this past year at this time. As Janet has said,I heard he had tabulated through the Hamptons and just needed to post them. Plan B would be nice but what would that be?

Next year, that's a whole different story. As I said, the time to move is now. From all of these posts it is obvious how important this web-site has become. That needs to be acknowledged so forward motion can be set in!! I refuse to have this same conversation next year so I guess that is why I am so gun ho on this.

[M. O'Connor]

on to plan "C"?

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PONYPULR:
If Michael is in possession of the show results AND the current website, how, in the time frame of about 3 weeks, can someone get the points from him and tabulate them and post them??

I believe he is TABULATING. He's just not posting.
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Assuming he's using a spread sheet program, the toughest part is entering the data (points), the program does all the work. Then comes the posting part.

I can understand why so many people are frustrated. Remember, there are many people out there who don't read the COTH BB, and even though they occasionally check out the LIHSAA website, they really have no clue what's going on.

Question: Is Michael the only person in possession of the show results? and what does he have as a backup in case of error in data entry? does he or a second person double check on things?

[LURKNNOMORE]

All you have to do is assume the totals for the posted shows are correct, gather the show results for the remaining shows and do it-you don't need a special program, you don't even need the computer, people have done bookeeping without computers(back in the old days). This is simple record keeping. I would love to assume that he has been tabulating results and only needs to post, but sorry there have been far too many stories. We've only had the website format for two years, I'm assuming it was done manually prior to that.

Another question, who actually owns the URL, if it is not owned by the LIHSA perhaps first thing to do towards next year is register a new one(unless he is willing to release it).

[PONYPULR]

Please, let's calm down about Michael. It appears that he will let us know who won and who lost when he's good and ready. And that's the bottom line. There is no point in discussing this here any further.

My mission is to not let any of this happen next year. And to create a website that is interesting, fun, informative, and perhaps even profitable.

Think of it in these terms-This whole thing is just a leftover from the old LIHSAA. There is a whole new group that wants to give it a bright, new look and feel. Let's help them improve LIHSAA so that it can work for all of us as it was initially intended.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[LURKNNOMORE]

But I don't think so. Would hate to see a scramble on January 3rd to figure out who won. Maybe it could be run like the academy awards and actually have surprizes.

Now about the new website, if you are going to have a meeting, let me know, I would love to help and know how to make it profitable.

[Gold Dust]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jane:

I can understand why so many people are frustrated. Remember, there are many people out there who don't read the COTH BB, and even though they occasionally check out the LIHSAA website, they really have no clue what's going on.

QUOTE]
That is why I feel we need to move towards the new web-site. Even if someone just started re-vamping it with a message board and posting info [that blank screen for the last 2 months is wasted space]a whole bunch of people would at least feel we are going towards improvemet. That is why I have no problem letting all know where I stand and will persue this!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[PineTreeFarm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LURKNNOMORE:

Another question, who actually owns the URL, if it is not owned by the LIHSA perhaps first thing to do towards next year is register a new one(unless he is willing to release it).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I checked with one of the commercial domain companies. The URL LIHSAA.COM is owned by Michael.
He is also the administration and billing contact.
The registration was arranged by Interliant Inc, Atlanta GA.

The URL was registered in Dec 1998. Usually URL's need to be confirmed and the annual fee paid on the anniversary date of registration. It is possible to arrange for a multi year registration and there is usually a grace period of a few months before the site is shut down for non payment of annual fees. The last update to the registration record was on 2/25/01. This may indicate that the web site's expiration date is in Feb 2002.

Bottom line, unless Michael agrees to a transfer you will need to obtain a new URL. The cost for that is minimal, usually less than $20 a year. However, there are additional fees for storage, bbs, updates etc. The additional costs depend on how much storage you need and what vendor you choose. It pays to shop around. Sometimes it takes a while to select a URL due to names being used, copyright problems.

Going forward you should ensure that the URL is not the property of an individual, it should be registered to the LIHSAA or LIPHA to prevent transfer problems or changes in who maintains the website. Also, by registering to an entity instead of an individual all requests for renewal fees would go to whatever association you choose so you would know exactly when the expiration dates will be.

There were a few posts suggesting that this should be resolved ASAP. To get a URL, design the site,get it programmed, test it and go live takes a minimum of 3 weeks if you use a professional provider. So, if you want it to be available for the new show season you probably needed to start on this 2 weeks ago.

I looked at the site today and noticed a few changes. The top of the page says "Coming soon,The Long Island Equestrian Directory"
Coming soon, Weekly,Rider Spotlight". What gives??
Is Michael making some of the changes that have been suggested or has somebody else taken over. Looks like the current web master doesn't think LIHSAA.COM is going away!!

[M. O'Connor]

these have been "coming soon" all year long...ie it is something that was planned and not followed through on.

Of course, LIHSAA should be the owner of the domain name of the website. The webmaster should be (and will be, according to the new bylaws) an employee of the LIHSAA and answerable to the LIHSAA board.

[PONYPULR]

I thought Michael was a paid employee of, and would have to answer to, the LIHSAA board, no?

Perhaps the board should set up it's pay schedule differently in the future.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[M. O'Connor]

the LIHSAA, but favors the webmaster and doesn't ensure adequate performance...that is why I was, as a memeber of the committee that drew up the new bylaws, so adamant that the language concerning the website and webmaster would clearly deliniate that the website would belong to the LIHSAA and that the webmaster would be answerable to and subservient to the board.

[LURKNNOMORE]

I usually use network solutions/verisign, I'd try for lihsaa.org, you can register it in one day, and then find a hosting service.

Hate to be the pessimist in this group, but my psychic abilities says this is not getting updated in time.

[Gold Dust]

So, as far the website goes, it is now owned by Michael and a new one should be opened and owned by LIHSAA-then-how does someone get in to post information? Example-we now have this blank screen- someone wants to post an article that 'debby has fallen and cann't get up' How do you do that??? Can only one person post stuff or could others be able to post also? It seems to me a website can limit itself if only one person could post info. IE: we have a point keeper and an advertisment person. Can that be done? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[M. O'Connor]

Just one of many free web creation tutorials available on the internet.. (http://members.tripod.com/~chrismartin2/)

There are loads of others--use your search engine and put in something like: How to create a website or some such, and you will soon see that it isn't rocket science at all!

Check out my friend Sandy's website--she did it herself, taught herself how to do it:Sandy Sternberg's website (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7078/)

There isn't any great mystery to it, just time to get educated to do it and then going to the effort of getting it done.

[Gr8Socks!]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gold Dust:
So, as far the website goes, it is now owned by Michael and a new one should be opened and owned by LIHSAA-then-how does someone get in to post information? Can only one person post stuff or could others be able to post also? It seems to me a website can limit itself if only one person could post info. IE: we have a point keeper and an advertisment person. Can that be done? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually if you paid him to do the site and buy it for the lihsaa then the lihsaa technically owns it. You just have to get the password from him in order to update the site.
Pretty much anyone can update to a site after you know the password. Some type of hyml progam helps out A LOT. Like Frontpage or dreamweaver.
I don't see it being a problem having two people work on it. If fact pretty much anyone can create a web site and update it. I think really it's more of a problem with time factors and learning html that gets people in the end.
The Lihsaa.org name would run at $25 a year. There are such things as free hosts for your web site. The problem with this is that most will not allow you to make any kind of profits from your site "ie" no advertising" Also I have heard several horror stories about free hosts going out of business and leaving you high and dry. You can get a reliable host service with multible email addresses (ie. one for the sec, pres, etc) for around $14 - 19 a month. One ad could easily take care of that cost.
On another note I think it would be a better idea for someone to take care of the points and another to take care of the site. That way not soo much stress is put on one person. If the points person has email and emails the points to the webmaster(s) so much the better. Then just copy and paste.
Anyway just my two cents
~Claire

[khobstetter]

I have found this thread interesting to say the least. Web sites can be confusing and yet interesting too...

I have a web site...foxpointefarm.com... and the webmaster and I both update, change, add and everything else from 2 different locations. We use Front Page and both of us can work on it at the same time so we can talk on the phone and work together.

Being able to do that makes it much easier than me trying to see what he has done and him trying to keep up with me. You do, however, have to allow the site to update from one user at a time. Maybe you can try that when you get control of the site.

It is not very difficult to do... I am NOT computer smart and yet I have learned to do it myself (with help!!)..
Give it a try.....

[LURKNNOMORE]

There are also many "prefab" bbs's to use-You can obtain some for free-but then have to endure their pop ups-better to get one like ingopop which we are all familiar with and put your own ads. This one is nominally priced, maybe a few hundred a year. By making people become members to post(as we did on this) you are building a database that can be used for a broadcast type of email system. Say there is a change in meeting place, send all an email.

Now, getting to current system, I don't think ownership of the website/url is really worth arguing about-let him keep it if he wants, but someone needs to get on the new one asap.

[PineTreeFarm]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gr8Socks!:

Actually if you paid him to do the site and buy it for the lihsaa then the lihsaa technically owns it. You just have to get the password from him in order to update the site.

Sure, you could update the site if you got the password from Michael BUT you would not own the site, "technically" or otherwise.
This means you would not be notified if the service provider went out of business. You would not receive the bills or be notified of rate changes. Basically you would not have financial control of the site. You would be in a position where you need to rely on the registered owner to pay the bills and pass the expense along to lihsaa.

Your best move is to ask Michael to transfer ownership of the URL to lihsaa.

A word of caution on using lihsaa.org. While that URL is available you might be asking for trouble down the road. Recently there have been cases where a name registration was accepted but the owner of the original site objected and the second name has been blocked. Usually this only comes up when copyrighted material is on the original site. As an example; "acetrucking.net" objects to "acetrucking.biz" because the business name is incorporated or registered. Probably won't apply in your case but you should be aware of this.

On another topic: I understand from a previous post that some rule changes for 2002 have been made. As the web site isn't being updated how can I find out what the new rules are??

[Gold Dust]

Thanks for the information. To answer your question, some changes to the specs are:

1.-Pre-Childrens will now be split horse and pony[two coolers at the dinner dance]if entries warrant.

2.-Short Stirrup Hunter can be split at 12 now and must be cross rails.

3.-Childrens Hunter horse will be split-14 and under and 15-17 If entries warrant.

4.- LIHSAA hunters and LIHSAA Jumpers are now open to all. [no restrictions with jumping 3'6"]

5.- Adult Equitation-Adults may not compete in classes where fences exceed 3'6" at that show.

6.- Pre children and Pre Adult riders must be eligible for limit equitation.

Hopfully we could get a web-site with a message board on it so all will stay informed. Not just COTH people!! Many of us are already working towards the future.!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[PONYPULR]

By LIHSAA Hunters, you mean the SPECIAL Hunters.


On another note, Claire and I are working on a proposal to offer to the LIHSAA, and will have it done by next week. I'm not quite sure when, or to who, I will actually do the proposing yet, however. Maybe I can send it to the Exectutive Committee????

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[LURKNNOMORE]

I, too, would like to submit a proposal for the new website-who should I send it to?

[Gold Dust]

Yes, that would be the SPECIAL hunters and TRAINING jumpers!

I am glad you and Claire are moving on the proposal. If all is set in motion I am looking forward to having Claire design an add for Marty and myself!

Lurkn-any proposal or suggestion anyone has can be given to any board member at the shows[we are all over the place now!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ] or e-mail it to one of us and it will be heard either at the next meeting or earlier if it warrants immediate action /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[brilyntrip]

I recieved email from Laura who says she is very serious about website and asked for link to Clairse propsed one said she will get domian thing from her office so I ve done what I can do .

[lovemybailey]

It's me, Morgan. Just wanted to say hey and I would really love to know what award I am getting for this year so I think we should all gang up on this Michael guy and beg him to update it!!! And how come you never told me about Pre-Children's being split next year????

[This message was edited by lovemybailey on Nov. 20, 2001 at 08:17 PM.]

[GinnyRice]

It is not Schooling Jumpers anymore - just LIHSAA Jumpers. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

I believe that the show year is over on Saturday, and we are now six weeks away from the awards dinner-still no update, and yet you all are assuming it will be done. Judging his future performance by his past-somebody needs to back this up NOW. Basically, your help has quit. He doesn't respond to emails, and continually makes empty promises that it will be done in a few days, how long will you wait?

As for the future, has anyone offered to purchase the old website-It certainly is worth nothing to him now. Does anyone know what program he is using for the point standings, it might be more cost effective to just buy it from him than to start from scratch.

[M. O'Connor]

See my comments on the other thread (http://chronofhorse.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=691099205&f=602099205&m=8173096843&r=6523050943#6523050943)

[timedjumpoff]

Sorry Deb---haven't checked in since the last PHA meeting. Been busy trying to find my way back to the saddle over fences with the superhorse! Good thing he can take a joke! Hey, how about a new division--- JUMPERS "WAY OVER" FENCES?

Anyway, if you're still looking for raffle ticket sellers, I could help.

[Gold Dust]

Getting used to those 'big jumps' eeey!!! lol When do we see you step in the show ring?!! You are going to have a blast.

Yes, Yes, Yes, I still need raffle ticket sellers. Thanks J.O.! Hey Morgan-how about selling some raffle tickets for me during the cocktail hour? The more we can sell then, the less we will have to do it during diner!! Any more volunteers????? Please!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Lots of great prizes this year so far. Helmets, paddock boots, money towards entry fees at shows-Hunters Isle, Winners circle,Sagaponak, N. Fork classic, Hampton Classic! and the 50/50 raffle. These are some great prizes so I need lots of help! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[lovemybailey]

I'd love to!! Anything for you!! haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I am so happy that Jess finally found a horse!!! She has been waiting for so long! Well anyways back to what I was saying!! I will sell raffle tickets during the cocktail hour, for sure!! Can't wait!!!

[Gold Dust]

You're the best !! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif any other takers??

I recieved my invitation today so they are on their way! Start getting your barn table arrangements together please!!! Remember, I need a list of names with each reservation. How are we doing searching through those old boxes in the closets for some old pictures guys???

[lovemybailey]

Deb- are we all sitting together?? or are you going to desert me like last year?? haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[This message was edited by lovemybailey on Nov. 27, 2001 at 07:36 PM.]

[M. O'Connor]

Do Neil and I get a table to ourselves again?

[Gold Dust]

You and Neil will be sitting with my Morgan! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Remember guys, bad weather screwed up my tables because so many people did not show up. I promise to do better this time.

[LURKNNOMORE]

I'll contribute one kid to sell raffles.


Now as for the end of year standings-why don't we just accept them as they are(except Sam has six shows). That would be fine with me and seems fair. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[PONYPULR]

Did I hear correctly? Are you The Receiver of The Old Photos? Can the photos be framed or would you rather we left the frames at home? I have a few that I'll bring to the meeting Monday night, If you'll be there.

And I received my invite and have already sent my check in to you, Deb. So do I get the pick of the tables???? Good view, not too loud, fun neighbors, close to the bathrooms, the first one to be served, no drafts........

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[lovemybailey]

So I guess that means I am not sitting with you Deb!?!? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It's all good!! And I definitely think we need to all go to the dinner dance not knowing the end of the year results! This way we are shocked when the ribbons are awarded!! And we get updated points, not the points that are on the site now! Hows that sound??

[LURKNNOMORE]

Are you serious about not knowing the results until the night of the awards? What happened to he would do it this weekend, have the results but not posted? If he has not done it this past weekend, I hate to be redundant, but somebody here had better do SOMETHING more than listen to his empty promises. This is not rocket science it is simple record keeping.

[Gold Dust]

Everybody will have a good seat and Morgan,ya never know! You may be sitting with me this year and Mary and Neil I swear will not have that private table again and I am vey sorry Janet,that table you have spoken of does not even exsist!!

Lurkn-I don't even know when an update will be! I was sick yesterday[shall I bother cecking???]I pray it is not because we need time to investigate mistakes if any. Many keep track of there own points. It's out of my hands here guys so I am sorry to do this but LAURA: you have been in contact with him, please tell us your last discussion results.

[deleyer]

Well Deb it looks like there will only be maybe 5 of us to attend the Awards not like previous years, but because we dont know where people are in the standings 3 of our clients booked airline flights because they needed to confirm the dates so they told us to pick there ribbons up. They showed all Spring and Summer and they cant even go because of this crap with the website. I tell ya the truth its so ridiculous i told Andre' that he may as well ask someone to pick up the other ribbons as well and we should go away ourselves. All the fun has been taken away for going to the dinner dance, I tell you the truth I dont even feel like going myself, Hey you never know going away after christmas is sounding much better then going to the dinner dance, and knowing half our crowd wont be there because of not knowing where they stood. You say that next year will be better, hey that remains to be seen, All I care about is this year!! Next year is a whole new ballgame. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

You're right deLeyer, and I admire you for having the guts to say what others are just thinking.

[Gold Dust]

I feel like I am at a baptist Church seminar! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif [and for all you politically correct people it was just a joke]

I know some of us want everyone to calm down a bit and I know we are striving for next year but I think this is the reality we need to hear. Invitations have been sent. I know this because I have already recieved a reservation [Janet is so prompt /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ]

Michael-would it be so hard to post an update? Maybe not the final standings but at least give some of us an idea of where they are?? Tempers will begin to flare if something is not done soon. At this point it is kind of hard to keep people calm when their gripes are justified. Many people have spent their hard earned money just trying to get in the ribbons. Never mind champion or reserve. Hey, some people just wanted to see their name on the computer. I think it would be right thing to do.

[M. O'Connor]

<<Hey, some people just wanted to see their name on the computer.>>

And succeeded---even if we still appear to have the same 3 pts we started out with. I'm sure we earned at least 3 more points somewhere along the line.

Yes, I will be at the PHA meeting Mon--I will be concentrating on the photos over the next week or so--after I get this weekend out of the way. Haven't thought about frames. I guess it would be better to just get them in file folders, no frames. Frames would be a pain. Not to mention breakable. (Not that I'm planning to throw them around or anything...)

[deleyer]

Ok here it is, Laura being that you are the LIHSAA President cant you do something for us with this matter?? Being that I am not on the board and I feel so strongly on this issue I have no problem taking this matter to the person with the highest authority.. So what can you do for us being that you are President with this situtation that has everyone in such a rage?? Like I wrote in my previous post I think its TOTALLY unfair after showing all spring and summer and clients spending lots and lots of money in doing so, that they had to make other plans due to the absentness on Micheals part for posting of the LIHSAA points. I hope you will be able to represent us the way we need to be represented. Good Luck with this matter, I hope Deb and Lurkin will be able to say then "PRAISE THE LORD" LOL /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[lovemybailey]

I am going to remain neutral to all this. The webite does need to be updated but to be honest there is not too much that anybody can do about it! (I WISH THERE WAS!) Last time I tried talking about this everyone got mad at me, so that is all I am going to say! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Deb-Am I your only student showing this weekend?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

I don't get it. Why is it assumed that Michael will not provide the show results for someone else to finish the job. Did he refuse to provide these, or are you all just assuming that he won't. Is it possible that this man is just over-whelmed and not malicious. Have any board members offered to help him, why not just hire some sort of a bookeeper to comeplete this project. Perhaps if you just ask him to turn over the results and step aside, he will be relieved.

Or we can go on the honor system, we all know what our points are. I keep impeccable records and my grey horse had 26 champions with at least 40 entrants in each class in all six shows.

/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[brilyntrip]

I see that things are heating right up.. EVERYONE KNOWS how I feel but I have no answers .

[LURKNNOMORE]

When do the results have to go to the printer for those little programs? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[PONYPULR]

Yes, several board members, myself included, offered to help Michael and we were all told that he needed no help but he was very busy and that "THEY", I assume he was refering to the angry villagers, would have to wait.

No, I don't believe that at this late date, he will just hand over the points to someone else with a smile on his face. Laura has assured us at the board meetings that she has spoken to Michael and everything will be in place for the dinner and booklets. Since she is getting the booklets done herself, I will trust her at her word.

He will get it done, I am confident.

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[LURKNNOMORE]

I'm not.

[Ruffian]

He's busy, we have to wait,yet he needs no help.
What's wrong with this picture?

[deleyer]

Hi Janet
I hear you loud and clear for the last time on this subject. LOL
But I do have one question for you though, I am not sure if I am getting this correctly, you mentioned that the points will be in the booklets in time for the dinner dance, I could careless about the booklets, but anyway, does that mean we are all kept in suspense until that nite??
My god if that is what you are saying then I cant see how next year is going to be any better when fixing problems when you cant even fix the point system this year!! Why couldnt this be fixed? I feel that the way we have been dodged by Micheal isnt fair but when board members and including a President cant get to the bottom of this issue it remains to be seen how other problems or issues get reconized and handled in the future properly!
Well you have heard me for the last time but I will be popping in to read what others have to say. At this point I cant even tell you if we are going to be at the dinner dance, but I hope things get recified so people wont be just sitting there with a hope for a ribbon!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[brilyntrip]

If we had never had a website maybe people wouldn't be in such an uproar. I was recently reminded that before the website's creation we could call the LIHSAA secretary and she was usually able to give you an idea about where you stood towards year end awards.This simple action can no longer be achieved because our point keeper doesn't respond to emails or phone calls .I certainly agree that everyone who is upset has a valid complaint to which I as a board member have no answer .I am truly sorry and feel totally impotent on the subject!

[Gold Dust]

I am glad to hear that PONYPULR has complete confidence but I am sorry to say, this is one time my feelings differ.

Simply put, the exhibitors deserve much better then this. Have we not learned our lesson from last year that problems can snowball. I am hoping at this mondays PHA meeting I hear something that will restore my faith in everything being O.K. The way I see it, if the results are ready soon, how will we let everyone know? It surely does not look like it is going on the current website. Is a new web-site in the current future? People finding out that night will be disasterous for the dance! I believe we are the only association thats last update was in July. Come On-can anyone blame these people for being upset? Not Me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[lovemybailey]

Deb I agree with you 100%.
We are upset because we could be going into this dinner dance not knowing if we are even going to get a ribbon and then find out that we aren't and just be let down. I am not sure if I am going to go to the PHA meeting but if I don't let me know if anything gets achieved in regards to this situation. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

He doesn't need to turn it over with a smile, he just needs to turn it over. You people need to start playing HARDBALL with this guy.

[brilyntrip]

You know how I feel but what kind of hardball would you suggest?um corner him in a dark alley and what administer chinese water torture in order to get him to give up the password and records?

[LURKNNOMORE]

You don't need the password-just the show results.

[Jane]

Since the first show of 2002 is only hours away, I was wondering if the "new" website is in the works?

[PONYPULR]

Yes, Jane, I have someone who is interested in either revamping the old or setting up the new. I have prepared a sketchy proposal for LIHSAA. Just waiting for a meeting or to run into Laura Reed, the Chairperson. To revamp the old, we need a few things from Michael, and since we can't get the points from him right now, ...well, you get the picture.

She would love to get started right away......

"It's not whether you win or lose, it's whether I win or lose."

[brilyntrip]

all interested parties should be at the pha meeting tomorrow night!new horizons diner 730

[Gold Dust]

There has been an update!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[brilyntrip]

we certainly appreciate your posting the points you have posted.

[LURKNNOMORE]

He doesn't have results from JULY in yet-now what the hell is he going to do? Don't you think he should have made a point of making sure he had them. Don't be too happy about this update.

[LURKNNOMORE]

Look who allegedly won two of the divisions-ok

[deleyer]

Ok call me stupid, but how do you see that he doesnt have July posted? All I see on my screen is the shows he mentioned that he still has to post and they are Salt Rivers and some Hunters Isle shows in SEPT-Nov. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

He has everything except the Salt River shows, but these go back to July-and he is saying he DOES NOT have the results for those YET.

[Gold Dust]

Guys, it looks to me the reason he does not have those shows is because Salt River management has not sent their results to him. Janet-major violations [fine] for the year 2002 if this happens again. Am I correct on that?

[LURKNNOMORE]

Or the trainers/exhibitors could just take it into their own hands and forget to go to Salt River next year.

Of course you, Golddust, can always just go there for lunch. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[M. O'Connor]

after all, a major point of the SRF staging those shows is to draw those seeking LIHSAA points...failing to forward the results for posting makes no sense, and therefore it is logical to conclude that this will be done.

Might I point out that it seems pointless (ha-ha, get it POINT-less? sorry, it was there; had to POINT it out; omgoodness, humor is EVERYWHERE today) to forward results to someone who has been totally delinquint in posting them--if they haven't been posted for months and months, why bother giving them to him at all??

On the other hand, if the rules are clear about penalties for shows not handing in results, there would be no reason to wait another year before applying a penalty. But with all the **%%$## that has been happening this year, I could see that it might be perceived as a little heavy handed for LIHSAA to go around applying penalties to shows for non-compliance when LIHSA's own end of the deal (because of MM's non-performance) has not been held up. Obviously, the new board is going to be saddled with quite a bit of "old business" that will have to be tidied up as it moves forward with new business.

[Gold Dust]

That is why I stated that year. If management knows about this now- this year will be smoother.Correct Mary,why should she have sent them anyways on time is so on the money, but, she needs to know this will NOT be excepted for this year!

[Gold Dust]

Mrs. Rice-who won the pool? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Very funny LURKN-will you join me for that grilled cheese!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

And, thaks Michael, there's hope for dinner dance reservations again!!!

[Ruffian]

I thought you liked Hot Dogs with special sauce! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[PONYPULR]

And maybe there were no results from SRF. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"I can't drive....55!!!!" Sammy Hagar

[brilyntrip]

spoke with Ms SRF 's daughter explained what has been posted on website and she is reprinting results I will pick them up by hand .I will have them copied and delivered to MIKE I will keep copies so we can tabulate also.

[GinnyRice]

LIHSAA By-laws state that results must be sent in within 10 days. There is a fine if this is not done - it does not say that because the points are not being posted in a timely manner that you can wait three months. That only compound the problem.

[touchstone-]

I know that I'm slightly off topic, but I figure that this group ought be able to help me out here pretty easily.

I'm looking over my points to see if they're correct, but I'm unable to find the point specifications for the equitation divisions anywhere on the website. What, exactly, is the point scheme? Is is 7-5-4-3-2-1? How is this affected by the number of entries?

It looks like with all of the papers I have that I'm not going to make it out to Long Island for the meeting, but best of luck to those that do attend. From what I read here, it seems like everyone is on the right track.

Thanks in advance . . .

[Gold Dust]

Now remember,it might not have happened without a little moaning and groaning!!!! lol /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Touchstone-I will ask about that at the meeting and get a definite answer for you. One thing that is for sure, points are the same no matter how may in the class.

Congratulatinos to Ken Johnson for winning the pool at the show with 8:45!!!! lol

[LURKNNOMORE]

If you look on the website it has a hunter points chart. I was under the impression that for LIHSAA purposes you always use the c-rated charts, but that you do get extra points for the number of entries that finish the first trip-BUT I MAY BE WRONG.

Now, don't all you people who doubted him feel REALLY DUMB-I told you all he would do it.

[lovemybailey]

Finally, some sort of update has occurred!! But now if they do make a new website for this year, 2002, what is the address going to be and when will they be starting it up?? Since the first show of the season has alraedy occurred, and might I add that as of right now I am 1st place(a clean sweep-LOL /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, we need to get started soon so we don't fall behind. Well I'd like to personally say thank you Michael and I hope that those Hunters Isle shows bring me up!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Gold Dust]

LURKN- you are way too funny!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif that post had me on the floor!

Mrs. Rice-I knew I forgot to ask you something at the meeting. How do those Eq. points work? Can you post them for Touchstone for me.

December meeting thread some time tomorrow guys. Way too tired tonight.

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LURKNNOMORE:
Now, don't all you people who doubted him feel REALLY DUMB-I told you all he would do it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are such a comedian, Lurkn!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PONYPULR, thanks for the new website update. I'm looking forward to seeing it, and I hope we can get a message board on it?! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Laura Reed]

The specs I distributed at the meeting tonight include a paragraph about how points are awarded. You can find it under the RESULTS & POINT SYSTEM heading, and I'll repeat here:

This season's point year will run from December 1, 2001 to November 30, 2002 to match USA Equestrian's year. (Exception: Equitation Finals held at LI Classic Horse Show) HUNTERS: Points will be awarded in accordance with USA Equestrian Article 918. JUMPERS: Points will be awarded in accordance with USA Equestrian Article 920.2. EQUITATION: 1st through 6th place will receive points as 7-5-4-3-2-1 in the Mini and Adult PHA, Hoskins Medal and Cassidy Maclay classes. No points for championship or reserve ribbons in equitation sections. No credit will be given in classes if less than three entries have shown and placed. Hunter and Jumper Section Championships must be awarded in accordance with USA Equestrian rules in order to count.

With the recent update of standings at the site, I'm now about to send more invitations. So, if you haven't received your invite yet, please look for it in the next couple of days. Please don't hesitate to send me your name and address to make sure I have your current info, especially if you've moved within the last year!

Thanks!
Laura Reed
Reeder54@aol.com

[brilyntrip]

bumping!!!!!

[Esme]

Everyone,

As you have probably guessed this is Esme McCarthy, the imfamous Michael McCarthy's daughter. Most of you I know, some I do not. Taking a suggestion from a friend I came here to see exactly what was being said and now that I am finished here is my reply. Do any of you actually read what you have written before you press the little " Post " button? Here you all are ranting and raving about your undieing support of the LIHSAA,talking about everything that you can do to make it better and all any one of you cares about is winning. Why do you think the LI Dinner Dance might substain a scarce attendence this year?? Your right, it is because of the points. God Forbid people actually just went to the dance to have a good time, to see their friends outside of the ring and out of their show clothes. Imagine if people actually bought tickets and went to the dance to support the LIHSAA, but no. People only care about who is walking away with the coolers. Want to know how to win,go to ever show, spend all your money and run your horses into the ground, then maybe you'll get your cooler, only to keep your horse warm when he is soaking his feet in ice buckets and hooked up to IV's. The only reason the horse I rode won was because she was undefeated. Do anyone of you remember how it use to be?? The problem this year was that all of you were spoiled from last year. My father created that website, and yes he owns it. He brought you into the 21st century. It was also HIS idea for all the advertisments to be put on the website, he thought it could help local businesses and help boast the status of the LIHSAA. He only wanted to make it better for everyone, for all of you. Last year no one could have been happier with the results of the website but you know how it is, you give anyone an inch, they want a mile. The year hadn't even got rollin and the nasty e-mails were already starting to come in. The most rude and obnoxious letters from people, even from children, who if I was the parent would be ashamed of. Why? Because it is all about winning. My father is gladly handing over the job and despite everything he will continue to support the LIHSAA as will my family and me. I have been a LIPHA member for over ten years now which is longer then some and not nearly as long as a few. I do it for the love of the sport, not the ribbons, although they are always nice, how about you? For the people who do care about points,maybe you should have thought again about the 20 show rule, cause as it stands right now it is about quantity, not quality, it is attedence award. Finally, as the daughter of the "webmaster", all of your FINAL results will be posted this weekend.
Sincerely,
Esme McCarthy
P.S- Did anyone of you know public slander is illegal??

[M. O'Connor]

Yes, for some people it is about points. That is exactly the purpose of counting points to begin with, in order to increase attendance at the horse shows. For many, that means hustling all year to every show, getting in on every available opportunity to get in the ring. For others, it is not so much about points, but about picking and choosing the nice shows that they enjoy, and seeing where they end up at the end.

The reason the 20 show system wasn't adopted had nothing to do with whether the system had merrit or not. That discussion was not held; instead, an attempt was made, at the suggestion of the webmaster (Michael) to institute it in the early spring, retro-actively applying it to shows that had already taken place since last December. No discussion, no explanation, just adopt it, mid-stream. The masses rose up, and the 20 show system was history, along with the old LIHSAA way of doing things. Unfortunately for everyone, said webmaster did not take the defeat of his suggestion very well, and certainly did not check his own numerous subsequent posts on the subject before hitting the "post now" button. In fact, he managed to rub nearly everyone the wrong way, and doing so appeared to be quite deliberate, not to mention indiscriminate. You might try searching the COTH board for the other Long Island threads, but it appears that many of the posts on those, in particular those written by our esteemed webmaster, were eventually deleted, but not before the damage had been done. In addition, the ire spilled over into other matters. I myself had occasion to make an e-mail inquiry on an unrelated matter, and received a quite unwarranted incredibly stinging reply--I can't fathom why my simple question was answered so rudely. I believe that this present situation is a case of reaping what is sown, and too little effort too late in the game. When a committment has been made, obligations should be fulfilled in a timely manner--this wasn't done, and it upset people, quite justifiably.

As for the dinner dance, yes, it would be nice if LI'ers would support the 50th PHA dinner dance just for the sake of social pleasure. Many, I'm sure, will. However, just as many became disgusted with the whole process this year, and have made other plans. It's really too bad for everyone that things became so heated up early on. If they hadn't, people wouldn't have become so irritated, and would be in a far more gracious mood now.

[PONYPULR]

Esme-
Why people chase points has nothing to do with the issue here. The fact that they/we (you and I included) do, is a great thing for the LI shows. Everyone has a goal, goals are healthy.

Your dad did a great thing by creating the website, no argument there. But by not updating the point standings this year in a timely manner, and by not accepting help offered, he opened himself up to criticism. I believe all were quite content with the "inch", no one was looking for the "mile". I know I was happy, and told your dad so frequently.

And you're right, people should support the dinner dance, prize or no prize. In your 10 years of service, did you always attend, prize or no prize? How 'bout this year, would you be attending if not for the prize?

And a few corrections to your post:
1) You are not iNfamous, that would be laying claim to a bad reputation, or dishonor. Famous, yes, in these circles at least, but certainly not infamous.
2) Your mare was not undefeated. A few of us got her once or twice throughout the season. And believe me, it made our day, and some of us, our year!!
3)The website ads? They don't exist. So what does it matter where the idea came from?
4)And the 20 Show Rule was euthanized, wasn't it?

I'm sure the Angry Villagers have made you mad, as I'm sure they have gotten to your father, I know they've pissed me off. But this year and all it's problems will soon be over and done. I am getting involved and will try my darned-est to never let the mistakes that occurred this year happen again. Can you say the same?

"I can't drive....55!!!!" Sammy Hagar

[Gold Dust]

Although Mary and PONYPULR have already said many things I would have said I shall add my two cents!On a personal level I have always treated yourself and your father with respect. If complaining that the points are not updated earns the award for lack of respect I am sorry but still feel this years services were not fulfilled.

On your comments on it is all about winning you are so wrong on that it is not funny. IE: running horses in to the ground, buckets of ice etc.. I myself know nothing of this and plan my horses routines carefully so that never happens. If the points were updated in a timely fashion some of my horses could of stayed home at some shows. Because we did not know where we were we did a few more then we needed to[and all are still sound and have not seen medical treatment all year] This point tracking works both ways. And it is not all about winning. Sometimes it is all about that pink and green ribbon for some and we sould NEVER forget that.

I hope you and your father can truely look through all the bashings and really read some of these posts. The little guy is the one that overall suffered most this year and everyone knows I am a strong advocate for them.

I myself are glad you came on to defend your father[as a mother that warms my heart]But, remember, most of these posts are constructive and gripes are warrented. Some not, you are correct. Why has it taken until the end of the year for you to come on and do the right thing? I hope we see you again here and clear up some matters so we can all move on and "Cann't we all just try to get along" /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

Happy to hear you know that you won the division-meanwhile the rest of us are totally unaware of the winners. Seems that the results have been tabulated.

[lovemybailey]

Although I do not know you or your father, Esme, I was always very grateful for the fact that someone took the job of controlling the website and last year, your father did a great job. Everyone was very happy. But as GoldDust said, my horse could have stayed home the last few shows of this year and relaxed. But not knowing where my horse and I stood was very difficult. I do not keep count of my points and I wasn't chasing points this year. I think I say this for everyone, that we all do this for the fun of the sport and when you walk out of the ring knowing that you received a ribbon is a great feeling!!

[brilyntrip]

You Esme and your sister are to be congratulated on your success.Your dad and mom should be proud to have such lovely ( and you both are ) charming talented girls!
If you can understand some of the feelings here and be OBJECTIVE about this I'm sure an intelligent girl like you will readily admit that there is real reason for at the very least IRE on the subject of point tabulation and end of the year awards.
Pretend that your dad isn't the computer whiz he is .That he is just a regular person.After years of doing things the old way( calling and calling Marie Gibbons to see where you are)a miracle occurs,a website with monthly updates.Voila!!! EVERYONE can see where they are and even call the webmaster about corrections!!
The website creates so much interest that entries are up at all shows...LIFE IS GOOD
Dinner Dance tickets grow over a two year period by leaps and bounds.
Then the year 2001 begins not with a whimper but a bang.First the general membership learns that a MAJOR change has been made in the way things are to be done.This is learned after the fact even board members are not informed.Who had this IDEA but the webmaster!Interested parties insist ( and rightly so) that this kind of change was improperly done .The webmaster is very unhappy that the general membership seem to have taken over.New idea ( 20 horse show thing) is tabled.In fact the entire Long Island Horse show association is recreated to represent the people who actually show at these shows! What a novel idea!
Now throughout the year with mind you 70 some shows on our schedule there are only 4 updates . This is after such marvelous service in previous years that everyone concerned gets upset. After they get upset and after emails phone calls ( I believe not every call was a rude one .)get zero results people start frothing. NO apologies from our esteemed webmaster just loads of attitude.
Then some one notices that hey the webmaster's kids are very actively showing this year.They also notice or realize that the webmaster is really the only one who KNOWS where everyone stands.Now many people begin to notice that maybe just maybe there is a corelation between the lack of timely updates and a possible self interest .
If the updates had been done as they had been in the past No one could've said a word.They weren't and now even making corrections is just about impossible since we have been told that we have 15 days to get it straight.Honestly this mess ,and it is a mess , is of the webmaster's own making .
Now about point chasing .First of all,Many of the animals that show on our local circut get two weekends off every 4 weeks . Don't believe me I can name them. Some do not get that lucky.
But all of us who have any part of a clue about this business know that LIHSAA is not a big time circuit there are two big important shows on our schedule. Winning first through 6th means not much except to the people who are getting started.
Your horse will not get sold for an extra 20 k just because they were high score anything on LONG ISLAND.It is a nice little circuit with plenty of shows and ( more importantly) plenty of room for improvement.
If you turn your nose up at point chasing then why did you spend evey possible moment on LONG ISland CHASING POINTS???why not spend more time at OLD SALEM ,HITS ETCETC??? I think it is really the cat calling the kettle black to say such things about your competition when you were there at almost every show beating them most of the time.
For whatever it's worth I still say your a lovely talented well raised kid with a sister just as lovely talented etc etc . I think you two are just swell.My praise stops there.The way this entire show season was handled was tantamount to insider trading in my mind.It stinks to high heaven .But if it means so much to some people to win I say let them have what they want .Once they get it the victory will be hollow.

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My father created that website, and yes he owns it. He brought you into the 21st century. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not even Bill Gates can (nor will) claim he's the one who brought anyone into the 21st century!

I don't know you personally, but I'm willing to assume that you're a nice girl who got a little upset reading posts that at first impression seem like they were personal attacks on your father. As someone who's been on this BB since the beginning, and have probably read every thread on or about LI, let me assure you that was not the case. As someone (Mary?) has already pointed out, this issue has been brought up many times in the past, on other threads, as well as at horse-show meetings. The general concerns were that perhaps your father was too busy, for whatever reason, to keep up. Most, if not all people were extremely understanding, and many offered their help...all to no avail. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out why at this late date many people are simply frustrated.

As for the dinner dance; I agree, it should be a fun occasion for all, regardless of whether one's getting an award or not, and quite a few people who don't even show attend the dinner dance yearly for that very reason. Of course, it's a bonus if you're receiving an award, and people have worked hard all year to achieve that goal. As for those who won't really make a big effort to attend unless they're getting an award...it's their right, and it does not necessary make them "lesser" sportsmen or whatever you want to call it. It only means people have different priorities and perspectives on things.

BTW, there are a number of regular and occasional posters on this thread, but there are far more lurkers. It would be wise to not use the term "all of you" in such a tone as you had done repeatedly, as that would only ruffle more feathers.

I'm glad the points has been updated, and results will be completed before the end of the year...I was never "chasing points", but I'm happy to see the task completed nonetheless. Besides, it's always nice to see where everyone stands! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh, and I'd like to just throw this in -- a horse does not need to be at a horse show to be "jumped into the ground". Many do that quite well without ever leaving home. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[deleyer]

Ok I just decided that we are going to be going to the dinner dance after reading all this "DO YOU THINK I WOULD MISS THIS ONE"
I could say alot here with Esme remarks about the bashing of her dad and how she feels for the animal having to suffer and riding them into the ground. "PLease" is what I have to say to that.
Lets get a grip on what you are saying, Esme you didnt become the rider you are because you stayed home and watch on Video how to become a rider, now did you? I wouldnt throw stones at other people for what they do because you have been there and done that as well. Just needed to remind you on that, but all and all what it comes down too, is truth hurts, and I know as a daughter you would only want to stick up for your dad, hey I would if it was directed to someone in my family, I would do the same! But the fact is, is that more then one person has been effected by this, when you go to the dinner dance just look around and see how many people are there, ALL OF THOSE people have been waiting patiently on something that you have already known about for months, "THE UPDATED RESULTS". I congradulate you on your Championship, Now how about lettng us all know where we all stand!!! As a smart girl I wouldnt thought again before writing that remark.
But enough said here, its not worth it, this year is a NEW YEAR for all and lets gets things started on the right foot, Oh by the way does anyone know when they are going to post this years points, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I had to say it, /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[LURKNNOMORE]

Now that we have all unloaded on Esme(sorry kid, your smug tone annoyed people), let's get back to next year.

One thing that we should learn from this is that there should be duplicate show results filed. Whoever ends up doing the job should obviously have one set of show results and a dependable person a second set. If our new webmaster goes AWOL, we shouldn't be held hostage.

The website should be owned by the LIHSAA, not the webmaster. I still don't see how Michael owns it, when he was paid to create it, but it is so easy to duplicate-WHO CARES. I would think though, since his daughter is professing love for this organization he, in the interest of doing the right thing would donate it-rather than being a BIG BABY.

Oh, and one more thing for Esme. You have been very fortunate throughout your riding career to be provided with very nice horses to ride, so please do not take that haughty attitude. Your mare was not "undefeatable", towards the end of the season several horses defeated you. Nobody can stand a sore loser, but an ungracious winner is even more distasteful. Try to remember that your father did not GIVE US A INCH, he sold us an inch and DID NOT deliver. As for excessive showing and point chasing, both your ponies are highlighted in blue-they seem to have been shown quite a bit, so enough already. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Prior to your posting nobody held you responsible for your father's dereliction, it's nice you came to his defense, but why isn't he defending himself? After the shit job he did this year, he's the one who owes an apology-yet he has never even offered a viable excuse.

[deleyer]

LETS MOVE ON!!!!! Enough said is right! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[gwen]

I didn't have the chance to get upset about things this year since I am new to the Long Island show scene!!! Let's try to start this year off on a good note!! WHAT'S DONE IS DONE!!! Nothing we say will change it!! Let's have a good 2002!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Watch out Low Hunters!!! Sylvester is going to be great!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Well I hope!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

**Barb**

[M. O'Connor]

Second!!

[Gold Dust]

Yup-time to move on and start all new bit*** for next year!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I will now start a new tread for December with the New year! Time to put this one to bed!

[lovemybailey]

IT ALL SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!! LET'S START THE YEAR OFF WITH A NEW THREAD THAT WILL BE, HOPEFULLY, ONLY HAPPY THOUGHTS!!

[LURKNNOMORE]

This is just too EXCITING isn't it?