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Bumpkin
Dec. 25, 2001, 10:28 PM
What Happens When You Fall Without a Helmet:

If you were to take a fall from your horse and land on your head without a helmet, your head which would contain a great deal of kinetic (in motion) energy would strike the hard ground and a good deal of that energy would then transfer back to your head in a great shock to your brain. Hard ground is a poor energy shock absorber, but rather more of a shock reflector.

This would be like hitting a telephone pole with a baseball bat. The pole can't absorb the kinetic energy of the moving bat, so the pole reflects the energy back into the bat and back up your arms. This is what you don't want to happen when trying to prevent a head injury. You want the energy to leave your head and move into the ground at a rate that the ground can absorb it at.

Neither your head or the ground compress very well and therefore the impact energy is transferred from your head to the ground over a very small amount of physical displacement, or movement. This rapid deceleration of your skull hitting the ground means that your brain which is floating in a fluid can slam into the inside of your skull and become bruised, resulting in a concussion.

How a Helmet Works:

Helmets are made up of a hard outer shell and a firm, but compressible inner liner normally made from polystyrene. The outer shell is designed to stay in shape in a fall and not deform upon impact. This causes the energy of the helmet contacting the ground not to be focused on a small local area of the helmet, but to be spread out over the entire surface of the helmet where it contacts the ground.

Between your head and the hard outer shell is a polystyrene foam layer. This layer is designed to compress at a predetermined rate when the helmet strikes the ground. This compression rate is designed to decelerate (slow) your head at a rate that doesn't cause your brain to strike the inside of your skull. This is similar to an airbag in your car. It inflates just before you hit it and then deinflates as your body presses into it, thereby slowing your forward motion so you don't slam into the steering wheel. Additionally, the force of your head upon the foam compresses the foam and this converts the kinetic energy of your head into mechanical energy (compressing foam) and then into heat which is quickly dissipated.

Accidents:

Once a helmet has been used in an accident and the inner liner of foam has become compressed in even a small amount it must be replaced or rebuilt with a new foam liner, or next time there will be less non-compressed foam to absorb the energy and the shock to your head will be greater.

Aging:

The materials that make up a helmet over time can become compromised due to daily use, ozone and other environmental forces causing them to become weakened. Old helmets should be replaced, or they could fail when called upon.

Bumpkin
Dec. 25, 2001, 10:28 PM
What Happens When You Fall Without a Helmet:

If you were to take a fall from your horse and land on your head without a helmet, your head which would contain a great deal of kinetic (in motion) energy would strike the hard ground and a good deal of that energy would then transfer back to your head in a great shock to your brain. Hard ground is a poor energy shock absorber, but rather more of a shock reflector.

This would be like hitting a telephone pole with a baseball bat. The pole can't absorb the kinetic energy of the moving bat, so the pole reflects the energy back into the bat and back up your arms. This is what you don't want to happen when trying to prevent a head injury. You want the energy to leave your head and move into the ground at a rate that the ground can absorb it at.

Neither your head or the ground compress very well and therefore the impact energy is transferred from your head to the ground over a very small amount of physical displacement, or movement. This rapid deceleration of your skull hitting the ground means that your brain which is floating in a fluid can slam into the inside of your skull and become bruised, resulting in a concussion.

How a Helmet Works:

Helmets are made up of a hard outer shell and a firm, but compressible inner liner normally made from polystyrene. The outer shell is designed to stay in shape in a fall and not deform upon impact. This causes the energy of the helmet contacting the ground not to be focused on a small local area of the helmet, but to be spread out over the entire surface of the helmet where it contacts the ground.

Between your head and the hard outer shell is a polystyrene foam layer. This layer is designed to compress at a predetermined rate when the helmet strikes the ground. This compression rate is designed to decelerate (slow) your head at a rate that doesn't cause your brain to strike the inside of your skull. This is similar to an airbag in your car. It inflates just before you hit it and then deinflates as your body presses into it, thereby slowing your forward motion so you don't slam into the steering wheel. Additionally, the force of your head upon the foam compresses the foam and this converts the kinetic energy of your head into mechanical energy (compressing foam) and then into heat which is quickly dissipated.

Accidents:

Once a helmet has been used in an accident and the inner liner of foam has become compressed in even a small amount it must be replaced or rebuilt with a new foam liner, or next time there will be less non-compressed foam to absorb the energy and the shock to your head will be greater.

Aging:

The materials that make up a helmet over time can become compromised due to daily use, ozone and other environmental forces causing them to become weakened. Old helmets should be replaced, or they could fail when called upon.

bucksnort
Dec. 25, 2001, 11:54 PM
Thanks for the great info!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***~~~Bucksnort~~~***
You can have my boyfriend, but stay away from my horse.

Chanda
Dec. 26, 2001, 08:06 AM
That was great!

By the way, with my new gift certificate I can finally afford an approved helmet! Yay!!!!! There is no way I should be riding my crazy beastie without something seriously protective on my nogin (full body armour would be nice too, hehe)!

hoopoe
Dec. 26, 2001, 08:18 AM
Science Rules! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Snowmen fall from heaven unassembled.

Joyrider
Dec. 26, 2001, 08:22 AM
I was just talking with some of my students about why they shouldn't place their helmet on thier saddle racks because they can fall off onto the hard ground and become damaged and that they need to replace their helmets every so often due to falls or age of the helmet. They all looked at me like I had two heads. You, however, have managed to summarize what happens to helmets wonderfully and I hope you do not mind if I attempt to print out your post and hand it to all my students and parents. THANK YOU BUMKIN!!!

wtywmn4
Dec. 26, 2001, 08:24 AM
Thank you so much Bumpkin/Mr. Bumpkin. I remember reading somewhere, about motor cycle helmets, same thing. They were telling people that if you had been in an accident, your helmet needed replacement. It makes perfect sense. Once used in head protection, it would be weakened. Therefore, needing replacement.

How many times have we seen helmets perform, and get reused? Expense is something none of us like to hear, but when it comes to safety, it's the one thing we need to forget.

Bumpkin
Dec. 26, 2001, 09:11 AM
Mr Bumpkin actually sat down and typed the whole thing out and I just pushed Post Now.

Maybe we can get him to design a helmet that would be approved and yet "fashionable"!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He thinks we should wear helmets just like motorcycle or football helmets to be honest.

He has pointed out that Knight's did that /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Merry
Dec. 26, 2001, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Maybe we can get him to design a helmet that would be approved and yet fashionable." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh yes, please! Maybe one we can accessorize?

I love the scientific explanation. Your husband expresses himself very well in such matters. It appears we married the same type of man. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

ccoronios
Dec. 26, 2001, 11:20 AM
If you-all recall, at least one report of Princess Di's accident described cause of death as EXACTLY what Mr. Bumpkin described.

Flash44
Dec. 26, 2001, 12:22 PM
How old is old?

Use the Force. ABBA rocks. Just say "NO" to Farrah hair.

wtywmn4
Dec. 26, 2001, 03:36 PM
Flash, if you're asking, it already sounds like it's too old. Plus with the synthetic materials, their lifespan is dependent on care, climate, use etc...

poltroon
Dec. 26, 2001, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flash44:
How old is old?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The manufacturers say 5 years.

Peggy
Dec. 26, 2001, 06:18 PM
Thanks to Mr. Bumpkin for "The Physics of Helmets." May I use as is for my next newsletter? It is a newsletter for a local chapter of a state dressage association.

Bumpkin
Dec. 26, 2001, 09:55 PM
Email me please, if you would like his real name for the article. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Beezer
Dec. 26, 2001, 09:57 PM
I kinda like "Mr. Bumpkin" as his pen name. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

Bumpkin
Dec. 26, 2001, 10:09 PM
I think your right /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Mr Bumpkin does have a certain "ring" of intelligence, and knowledge to it!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

geckoUBC
Dec. 27, 2001, 03:22 AM
Could my pony club have permission to use it too? Please? And I'll go with the Mr. Bumpkin, or perhaps Dr. Bumpkin would sound cooler?

Aleesha

hoopoe
Dec. 27, 2001, 08:17 AM
Professor Bumpkin.


Science marches on!

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Snowmen fall from heaven unassembled.

Bumpkin
Dec. 27, 2001, 09:12 AM
Mr Bumpkin liked the Mr Bumpkin name!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

wtywmn4
Dec. 27, 2001, 10:01 AM
Oh Bumpkin, already printed it and trotted it out to the barn for everyone. Sorry if I jumped the gun. Said this is what "Mr. Bumpkin" posted on the internet concerning helmets. The trainers were very happy. Made all their Jrs. read it as well as Amateurs. No one wants people hurt, and this is so straight forward, easy to understand, it's PERFECT!

Bumpkin
Dec. 28, 2001, 11:04 AM
I hope it helps everyone.

I am taking a copy of it to the tack shop today for my friends there. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

bucksnort
Dec. 28, 2001, 11:49 AM
I'm taking a copy with me today!! Thanks very much. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe it will save some noggins.

***~~~Bucksnort~~~***
You can have my boyfriend, but stay away from my horse.

Coreene
Dec. 28, 2001, 01:05 PM
In the front, just above where your nose comes out, there are little knife-like bits of bone that grow inwards.

They are VERY good at slicing your olfactory nerves when you land on the back of your head, especially without a helmet. It took two years for the sense of smell to return in my fat head, then a lot of it was connecting to the wrong points, and now I can only smell through my right nostril. Blech.

I am sending a big kiss to Mr. Bumpkin for posting this!

Kestrel
Dec. 28, 2001, 11:54 PM
For those who are interested, visit the Snell Memorial Foundation web site at www.smf.org (http://www.smf.org) for very good information on why helmets should be replaced every five years, as well as their new standard and lots of other stuff.

Bumpkin
Dec. 30, 2001, 01:27 PM
Great discription Coreene, my head still feels like it did "Hammer Time" about 3 am in the morning /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Kestrel we need to really think about doing this helmet try on seminar.
Janice at Gift Horse and I discussed it again last week.

Kryswyn
Dec. 30, 2001, 05:24 PM
With credit to "Mr. Bumpkin" a scientist and inventor of some reknown.

Because if I hear ONE MORE PERSON say, "I know I should wear an approved helmet, but ...." I will have to slap them and my defense would be:

Your Honor, I'm very sorry for what I did, but it was the way I was raised! Honest! Whenever I did something terrifically stupid, my pappy slapped me upside the head! I'm just programmed to slap stupid people.

~Kryswyn~
"Always look on the bright side of life, de doo, de doo de doo de doo"

Bumpkin
Jan. 2, 2002, 08:10 AM
If anyone can, please use it, and if published please send us the article.
Mr Bumpkin would love to see it /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

khobstetter
Jan. 6, 2002, 01:03 AM
This will for sure get some mixed reactions but here goes....

I am insisting all the kids at the barn get the new approved helmets. I think that is a good thing to do for my insurance company.

BUT I THINK THEY ARE DANGEROUS!!!

They are so HARD on the inside they DO NOT fit anyones head. You can add all the padding you want to and they just simply do not fit right where they are safe.!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif The kids came today and about 10 - 12 of them had the new helmets (different brands) that were "fitted" at the tack stores for them. All I have to do is take ahold of the brim and push or pull a little and they swing up or down.

Can't someone invent helmets that fit right and stay put...

I know there are other threads about this but now we are in the actual process of trying to find ones that work for ALOT of kids, not just a few...

GGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

spoiledsweet
Jan. 6, 2002, 09:27 AM
I have a tip for fitting the approved helmets (I worked at a tack shop for a long time and DID NOT have trouble fitting these on children): make sure the child's forehead is bare, i.e. no bangs for the helmet to slide on. Also, the ones lined with material rather than the styrafoam are much less slipery. And finally, the strap is part of the system - fasten it securely.

khobstetter
Jan. 6, 2002, 10:29 AM
Did all that...worked on 2 of the kids...
And that is probably precisely my point... /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
The problem is not the fitting of them in the tack shops it is the moving of them while in motion on the horses....

Its not important they stay still when all is good, it is IMPERATIVE they stay still when all *&%$&$# breaks lose on a horse. A horse bucking a child off is MUCH different, as we all know, than falling off a bike.

Enough said.. I was just up late last night and had to %$#&%#&$%# about the helmets...

dogchushu
Jan. 6, 2002, 10:35 AM
Herein follows dogchushu's tale of helmet fitting woe... with a happy ending, of course!

Find a GOOD tack shop with GOOD help! When I mutilated my first helmet (it melted in the car... don't ask /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) I merrily went to the nearest tack shop to get another. The shop assistant shoved one onto my head and declared that one looked the best and was the one I should buy. Not knowing any better, I bought it.

Rode in it the first time and had a MAJOR headache after 20 minutes. The darn thing was too tight! Seems they didn't have the size I needed in stock, so (probably to make the sale) they sold me the only thing they could get onto my head. Grrrrrr! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Went to another tack shop and tried again. They declared that my head was MUCH too round for the long ovals that are currently all the rage (I have a Charlie Brown basket ball head apparently /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) and, while they didn't have a helmet in my size in the best fitting model for me, they'd order a couple for me (the one they thought would fit plus one size up and one size down).

Sure enough, the helmet size they thought would fit, does. It's snug but doesn't give me headaches. Before finding my size, they made sure I styled my hair as I would be wearing it in the helmet.

Also, I ended up with a helmet that wasn't originally the style I wanted. I really wanted the pretty Royale. But, alas, the Royale does not work on my mutant head. The only way I could get one to work was to have it either too loose or too tight. But other styles worked for me... and they do look better when they fit.

Moral of the story: it's difficult, but keep trying. There are so many different styles and sizes of helmets out there... one will fit. But your tack store may not have that particular one in stock. And it may not be the one you're looking at. But keep trying.

khobstetter
Jan. 6, 2002, 09:13 PM
AAAAAAnnnnnnnnnndddddddddddd the silence is broken by the low gentle rumbling of a sound unfamiliar to mankind. "IT" starts slowly and builds and builds and builds until you have to cover you ears to protect yourself. "IT" reachs unbelieveable magnitudes of loudness. "IT" turns society mothers into screaming, scratching she cats... "IT" turns fathers into wallet grabbing fellows trying to out bribe each other... "IT" turns normal children in to shrieking, crying puddles of emotion..."IT" turns trainers into sobbing, groveling babies afraid their juniors won't get to the ring. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Unknown to mankind anywhere else on earth !!! IT" has become so loud that every human being within miles clutches their heads and dives under anything large enough to sheild them.....

WHAT IN HEAVEN'S NAME CAN IT BE ......??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

OH NO! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"IT" is the sound of 2000 children and their parents running at break neck speed on Indio opening day to the vendor area!!!! Someone said there are helmets...lots of helmets...

Can you just see it now !!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

AAJumper
Jan. 6, 2002, 09:26 PM
A lot of tack stores simply don't have a wide enough variety of brands and styles of approved helmets. I went to more than one tack store in search of a helmet that fit (including Mary's Tack in Del Mar)...no luck. It isn't easy to find one that fits, but you can do it. I had to order 4 helmets from Dover and return 3. The Troxel Exeter fit me quite well since it is adjustable on the inside (there is a velcro strap in there, not padding that you add). Finding one that fits can be done, but it takes a lot more work than just driving to the local tack store. I would suggest ordering several from Dover, and returning the ones that don't fit. BTW, the Exeter has been out for over a year now, and I have yet to see it in a tack store....nor have I seen several helmets that Dover carries at the store.

visit www.victorianfarms.com (http://www.victorianfarms.com)

hoopoe
Jan. 10, 2002, 04:27 PM
and everyone else.

Bumpkin has started the ball rolling with our local tack store to have a regional hat showing and fitting.

Several different stores gather in one location, bringing samples of their inventory and sizes. Effort should be made to include as many of the lines as possible.

Perhaps even some educational material on propper fitting ( which I really hope the store employees are versed in, but somehow I suspect many are not)


Stores can take orders for customers.

Everyone benifits.

A worthwhile effort. Perhaps you all can suggest it to your favorite tack store.

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The ancient Greeks did not write obituaries. They only wanted to know if you had a passion.

AAJumper
Jan. 10, 2002, 07:05 PM
That's a really good idea. It amazes me that the stores have such a small selection when there are so many products out there!!!

visit www.victorianfarms.com (http://www.victorianfarms.com)

Bumpkin
Jan. 10, 2002, 07:16 PM
And I would love to do it, but I don't know if I can pull it off.

I think Kestrel is leaving to go South soon, and I have some other Club obligations that I need to tend to /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Perhaps, Hoopoe.......LOL /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

By all means this is something that anyone can try to organize anyplace in the country.

Rosie
Jan. 11, 2002, 09:55 AM
one month ago, (during a lesson) I ended up in the dirt. I won't bore you all with the details but I landed on my head/shoulder while trying to do a "tuck and roll".

The impact dislocated my shoulder, broke my arm so severely that I now have major metal holding it together and broke my collarbone.
But, thanks to my Troxel helmet, my brain is fully functional (most of the time!) and I didn't even suffer a concussion.

At the hospital, they were convinced that I must of hit my head hard enough to cause a concussion or at least pass out (based on damage to the rest of me) and were quite impressed at the protection my helmet had provided.

If this sounds like a testimonial for Troxel, it isn't - consider it a testimonial for ANY well- fitting approved helmet.

I have never understood how someone in this sport can justify not wearing an approved helmet. No matter how good a rider you are. No matter what you are doing - accidents happen. I ride about 4x's a week and haven't fallen in about 5 years.

Before I get back on (one more month -or- so to go!) I'm going to the tack store and replace my helmet. While I'm at it, I'm going to replace my daughter's - although she hasn't had a fall that she's hit her head - just because she's had it for a while now. (Thanks for the heads up on the need to replace helmets after 5 years or so)

Bumpkin
Jan. 12, 2002, 04:59 PM
I ordered a black on black GPA/4 today. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bumpkin
Jan. 26, 2002, 12:09 PM
bumpkining


V. .V
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hoopoe
Jan. 26, 2002, 02:38 PM
Upupa epops

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Peggy
Jan. 27, 2002, 01:01 AM
I bought my Troxel Exeter at our local "feed store." Their fitting room is the bathroom, and they only had Troxels, but they did have a good assortment for me to try on.

mwalshe
Jan. 27, 2002, 04:23 AM
I tried on EVERY brand of helmet this fall. I always bought approved helmets with no problem to at least jump in so my head cannot be that weird and nothing fit right. I tried CO, here and in Ireland and England, so basically every style, GPA, troxel, international etc etc. I have always had helmets that fit in the past and the jockey skull version of several brands fit great but no show style ones fit me at all. My old jumping helmet was a velvet covered jockey skull but that does not seem to be an option anymore. Since then I have gone through a Troxel, an International and one other I am currently using that is OK, but slips over my eyes in times of stress (ie when I jump, which is when I need the damn thing). Also it is green. Nothing fits right. Everything sits too far up and forward, they slide over my eyes, they don't protect the back of my head (which I always land on) and they are SOOO stiff.

Please please someone make an old-style- cover the back of your head- adjustable harness that atttaches at the back and holds it down- soft inside- non-headache causing- real sizes hat!!!! I would love to protect my head but I don't feel too great about my choices at the moment.

Kiger
Jan. 27, 2002, 06:45 AM
Have you tried the Exeter? I hated them all too because they dug into my forehead and gave me wicked headaches. The Exeter is adjustable, well padded, and doesn't slip at all - at least for me. I think the adjustable strap they put in really helps a lot for fitting purposes. The harness is not my favorite, but then I tried on the GPA and felt claustrophobic - too much material around my face! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

KLS
Feb. 15, 2002, 11:43 PM
just bumping this up again because my fiance' and i just had a huge argument (er, "discussion") about helmets tonight. he prefers to ride western (on the rare occasions when he rides at all), and about flipped when i informed him that i *was not*, under any circumstances, going to allow horses or riding on our property (we're looking) without approved helmets.

he literally told me he'd never had that thought occur to him, that if a fall of 4ft or more can kill you, horses certainly put you taller than that...never mind the impact if said horse is moving at any speed. hmmm... and this is the same guy who is a cop, wouldn't think twice about reaming someone out for not wearing a seatbelt or not using a motorcycle or bike helmet, etc... just needed to understand that western (horses, period) aren't any different.

sorry for rambling... just needed to vent a bit, and i thought it was about time this thread made another appearance, anyway. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BustersMom
Feb. 24, 2002, 06:10 PM
I was going to ride my daugher's greenie yesterday and she refused to let me ride until I put on an approved helmet. (I think my powder blue helmet is a real fashion statement. After all, I have had it since it was in fashion and since she has been riding, I have been wearing a helmet. This was a big concession, too.) I am reminded though, of the day I fastened my seatbelt about 1/2 mile from a head on collision with a drunk driver back in 1987. To this day, I don't go out of the driveway without my seatbelt.

Today was the big day. I went to the local tack store and tried on Troxel's, GPA's, Charles Owens', Internationals of all models. The winner was for me: The International Pro Rider. It has a GPA like harness that seems to fit me much better than the GPA. The fit is good and I don't look too bad. The harness blends in with my hair or so was the consensus of everyone in the tackstore.

So I am now one of the converted. I would urge anyone to go to a tackstore and TRY THEM ON. Somewhere out there, there is one for you. If my daughter cares enough to insist, what kind of mom would I be if I didn't respect her that much.

The end.

Member of the Baby Greenie Support Group
Remember, dear, if you're not bleeding and a fairly vital organ is not hanging out of your shirt, you keep riding

Catalina
Mar. 7, 2002, 10:44 AM
I proudly wore my GPA at the VI Classic last weekend (my first horse show in an approved). I was amazed, though, at the number of adults that were NOT wearing approved helmets. There were even a number that were wearing helmets without harnesses /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ! Excuse me, but what the heck is the point of that???

creseida
Apr. 14, 2002, 10:24 AM
Dover has the CO Show Jumper 2000's on sale for Cheap! Like $100 or so (Normally costs $179 and up). If they fit you, this is a great price for a really nice helmet! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~*~Come on, try a little, nothing is forever. There's got to be somewhere better than In The Middle...~*~

Risk-Averse Rider
Jun. 6, 2002, 08:53 AM
Bumping it up after a BUMP on my approved-helmet-clad head just a couple days ago... See also the thread on Off Course...

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Approved helmet: Every ride; every time.

kd welden
Jun. 6, 2002, 10:37 AM
I wear an approved but I agree with the fitting woes. I had one that fit great in the store and at a full gallop bobbled on my head. That just won't work!!!

Just curious, why don't they size the new approved helmets like they did the old ones? The whole small, medium, large thing is useless.

I think its interesting that my husband rides a race bike and his helmet, an XL, has a cradle as part of the harness that locks down to fit the hat to the head. Curoius why they can't do this with a riding helmet. His bike can go at least as fast as my horse and I know his helmet is staying on!!!

Therese
Jun. 6, 2002, 10:47 AM
The ATH and GPA are sized. The reason most brands don't is that each size must go through the certifying to be approved, and thus it gets quite expensive. (Correct me if I'm wrong on that point.)

The Troxel Exter is a show helmet that does have the cradle in it now, and a number of the trail ones also have the adjustable head harness bit. My Troxel Dakota Sport has it. I agree, it makes the difference in keeping it on your head!

--Therese

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -Douglas Adams 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'

creseida
Jun. 6, 2002, 02:08 PM
The Charles Owens are also properly sized. Generally, the higher quality helmets have proper sizing, while the less expensive have generic sizing (s,m,l,xl) and you have to hope one fits. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

One thing that I can tell you about an approved helmet is, when you go to buy it in the store, make sure it is about as snug as you can stand it without inflicting permanent damage. The helmet linings do compress very slightly with use, plus your head shrinks and swells with hot and cold weather. If it is "comfy" in the store, it will loosen up and slip after a few rides. If it is tight in the store, it will be perfect on the horse. This tidbit comes both from personal experience in dealing with the retail public in the tack stores, and from the helmet manufacturers.

If your helmet has become loose, take a strip of thin foam and pad the lining to snug it back up. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~<>~ Daedalus built the Labyrinthe, so winding and complicated a structure that no man or beast, once shut inside, could ever find the exit~<>~

creseida
Jul. 19, 2002, 10:33 AM
Shameless Bumpkining! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~<>~ Daedalus built the Labyrinthe, so winding and complicated a structure that no man or beast, once shut inside, could ever find the exit~<>~

Ash
Jul. 19, 2002, 12:28 PM
As a new member of the approved helmet clique...I will bump this to the top /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cgn38
Jul. 19, 2002, 03:45 PM
"Old Mr. Reliable" spooked at a deer today, bolted, and then became a runaway. I lost my stirrups on the initial spook, and the stirrups banging against him sent him faster and faster (he was a good 6 furlong horse in his racing days). I hadn't felt that speed since I was galloping at the track! Needless to say, I fell of at about 25mph. Thank god for my approved helmet (which I am now replacing) and my safety vest. I really think I might have had internal injuries if I didn't have my safety vest on, as well as a concussion. A scary run and fall like that really makes you think about some things, and be thankful. I think I will invest in the best helmet I can find.

Ash
Jul. 19, 2002, 03:52 PM
Wow! Glad you are o.k. You actually brought up something I was wondering about...are all approved helmets created equal or do some offer better protection then others?

cgn38
Jul. 19, 2002, 04:13 PM
I have the same question: Are some approved hemets higher quality than others? Are there different levels associated with those ASTM numbers??? Are the skunks necessarily better? I aim to find out.

Ash
Jul. 19, 2002, 05:18 PM
skinflint-maybe you should start a new thread with your question. This is an old thread that most people have read already.

achcosuva
Jul. 20, 2002, 09:16 AM
Does anyone else get this picture of a person falling directly on thier head? As if Someone From Above dropped them straight down. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Of course, they're dressed in the latest hunter fashions, not a stitch out of place so there's not much ruffling.

I sent this around to horsiefriends who don't visit the bb (in the form of a forward, with credit to Mr Bumpkin, of course /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif). Y'all should do the same!

-Anne, the owner of a PrettyFilly and a WildArabianStallion-
"Change is inevitable...except from a vending machine."

creseida
Aug. 14, 2002, 08:42 PM
Bump-Bump-Bumpkin /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

~<>~ Remember, the Ark was built by a rank amateur; the Titanic was built by a team of experts~<>~

Bumpkin
Aug. 15, 2002, 08:01 AM
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JAS
Aug. 15, 2002, 09:11 AM
Thank you, PLEASE, tell us what happens when a rider wears a hard hat instead of an approved helmet. I have heard the impact is worse than no helmet at all. Any details would be very much appreciated. Thank you!!!!

rusty
Aug. 15, 2002, 09:14 AM
I am glad that some one bumped this thread to the first page.

A couple of weeks ago I was ejected from a horse I was jumping. He over jumped the oxer and landed bucking, (well in my youth I like to think I would have stayed on /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ) and after the third leap and kick I ccame off. My first fall in my GPA
I landed on my shoulder and then my head snapped back and hit the ground. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif My first thought was "My head doesn't hurt". /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

creseida
Aug. 15, 2002, 02:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAS:
Thank you, PLEASE, tell us what happens when a rider wears a hard hat instead of an approved helmet. I have heard the impact is worse than no helmet at all. Any details would be very much appreciated. Thank you!!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, when you are wearing a simple hard shell (hardhat), the force of the impact is not diffused and thereby reduced through the inner lining such as one finds in an approved. The same force that impacts upon a hard shell is transferred directly to the skull and the contents thereof (your brain).

I hesitate to give any 'benefit' to a plain hard hat since they are not safe, but the benefit over no helmet is the reduction of possible penetrating head injuries, like if your head happened to hit the ground on a steel surveying spike. Also, the hard hat might reduce abrasion, but that is minor if the concussion kills you. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But at least it means less cosmetic work for the funeral home! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

~<>~ Remember, the Ark was built by a rank amateur; the Titanic was built by a team of experts~<>~

dublin
Sep. 18, 2002, 08:51 AM
Since hifi decided to bump up all the GPA threads for some reason, I will bump up this thread, as it is actually very worth reading, or re-reading.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sarapony
Oct. 12, 2002, 08:42 PM
Hehe

I just printed Mr. Bumpkin's Helmet Theory for the barn today. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The barn director was talking about getting a new helmet, but that she loved her unapproved because it fit sooooo well. So I pulled up COTH and did a search and hit print.

It is now posted on the riding/lesson board for all too read /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"No time to marry, no time to settle down. I'm a young woman and I ain't done runnin' around." - Bessie Smith

Bumpkin
Oct. 21, 2002, 09:33 AM
I am going to print this up for the new stable also.

creseida
Oct. 21, 2002, 12:48 PM
Ok, Erin...we need this topic to have the little lightning bolt thingy to keep it at the top of the forum! It will reduce our need to shamelessly Bumpkin it Up all thet ime! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

~&lt;&gt;~ Remember, the Ark was built by a rank amateur; the Titanic was built by a team of experts~&lt;&gt;~

Janet
Oct. 21, 2002, 01:14 PM
And in FAQ, Favorites, or reference.