Question for Merry

[Merry]

Yes, Bumpkin, we see Kelli C. all the time, as she trains out of Chino Hills area (about 30 min. from us) and she "does" a lot of the county shows with her students. Remember her great junior horse Paper Tiger? He lived to a ripe old age and was a school horse at Rainbow Canyon for a long time.

I took the baby greenie to Galway Downs (where the hold CCI** events) today. It was a hunter schooling show, his first o/fences. The jumps were considerably more imposing than what I expected! Add some palm trees and I could've been at Indio. (I bypassed Ride America to do this, thinking the fences would be easier?) /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I had 2 warm-up rounds and 2 Baby Green rounds. Beezer and I figured he'd either be broke or crazed by the end of the 4 rounds. He was great! Each round I asked more of him, until we were cantering the whole course. I decided to trot my changes, since I didn't want to open that can of worms, too. Then: I won the hack! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Guess who was at the show? Sandi Nisson, and Tammy Hickok was riding several of her clients' green horses. So Sandi says, "Several people have e-mailed me about this thread on the Chronicle's BB. So, which one of you is Beezer and which is Merry?" My sister and I were just cracking up. The question, though, is who e-mailed Sandi the thread?

So, when & where might we rendezvous at Pomona's Equine Affaire on Saturday? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message was edited by Merry on Feb. 04, 2001 at 11:24 PM.]

[Bumpkin]

Nice to hear you did so well!!
/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Looking Glass, Caron Gilbertson's old horse, was up here late in his/her career.
I recall seeing him at a show at the Evergreen Fairgrounds in Monroe late 70's.
That distinctive blaze and socks are hard to forget.
I keep thinking someone famous had moved up here with him, but I don't think it was Kramer's, (movie producer), daughter.

/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[dublin]

I was looking through some old Chronicles from 1975 this afternoon, and saw his picture. Is he still training?

Also Merry, on the showjumping 20 years ago thread, check out Melanie Smith in her rust breeches and navy coat....looking good!!

I join bumpkin in congratulating you on baby greenie's successful o/f debut (and the hack win).
Very cool! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[jules]

Merry & Beezer

I sent Sandi Nisson the E-Mail. I though she would get a kick out if it. In case you don't know who this is, you sold your beloved "Echo" to me.

As you know, I have my share of Dennis Henderson stories, but we wont go there.

Who ever was asking about Tommy Lowe, I saw him at Indio the other day, so I guess he is still training.

[Bumpkin]

Merry remember when I asked you about GiGi Gaston a few thousand postings ago?
Well I think I meant GiGi Green!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Looking at some olde HORSES that I went pulled out of my storage room in my rental house, I saw an ad for one of her horses.

[Merry]

Well, the baby greenie I'm doing right now looks/moves much like Echo; same mom, by Hall of Fame. I'm having so much fun with a horse that actually A) moves like a hunter and not a dressage horse; B) doesn't "hot up" under you; and C) is just plain bay (not a pinto---enough with the Quicksilver shampoo!). I have totally made my mom promise NOT to sell him.

With your background and knowledge, your input would be welcome here, Jules! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As for Tommy Lowe: okay, if he's still around, I don't feel so old! He's another one who always wore the aviator sunglasses ala Jimmy Kohn.

[Bumpkin]

I liked that their ads in HORSES read
"ALL LAKESIDE CHAMPIONS ARE FOR SALE"
Hmmm I wonder what the prices were? haha
They sold Hour Glass. I thought that horse was so beautiful. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[JAGold]

How much fun this thread has been to "eavesdrop" on!! I'm a transplant to California--a college student in the SF area--and I event more than I show h/j, so I don't know most of the people you are talking about. Still, I pick up on some of the references and I love all the stories /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --Jess

ps. Merry--congrats on a good show with your baby. I'll be down at Galway in a couple of weeks for the horse trials; what a nice facility (we're there a couple of times a year).

[Merry]

Bumpkin: I remember at Del Mar one year when Christy Fletcher and Cindy Hough were 1st-2nd in the AHSA medal and they had to switch horses in the work-off. I think Cindy was riding Imagine That, and of course Christy had Hourglass. What was humorous was that everyone in the stands was mumbling, "Well, since Cindy broke and started Hourglass at Lakeside..." /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif NOT that she wasn't an awesome rider, but she totally knew the horse. And of course, she won the medal.

JAGold: Welcome to Calif.!
/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Feel free to chime in anytime with comments.

Galway is sooo nice; the footing is excellent, although two years ago they tried to host some A circuit hunter shows, it had recently rained, and the hunter folks were NOT happy with the footing. Dragging it only made it harder the next afternoon. So now there is only this schooling show series there, though there is talk of having it county-rated.

[rusty]

Merry could you desribe the horse Imagine THat?
I sold a very nice Chestnut Mare in the late seventies, I am wondering if we are thinking of the same horse. SHe could of possibly ended up with CIndy Hough. Thanks for any information. If it is the same horse I still wish I hadn't sold her.

[Portia]

Merry, could you or Beezer e-mail me please? I'd appreciate it very much. jprice@fulbright.com or jprice11@houston.rr.com Thanks.

Now, back to the topic. Everybody is talking California H/J people from the 70's. What about us poor Californians who grew up riding saddleseat and only in our adult years saw the light of riding over fences? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anybody remember Bob Bradley, a saddlebred trainer/barn owner from San Diego from way back? I learned to ride at his barn with Christy Anderson and Jim McAvoy. To tie it back in to the H/J scene, Hap Hansen was the hunter trainer, about 18 years old and his first pro job. Very cute, even back then.

[Coreene]

Where shall we meet on Saturday? And when?

Re Hap Hansen and Portia's saddleseat mention - I saw an ad for a QH reining stallion in Horsetrader yesterday and it made a great thing of "Owned by Hap Hansen." A little side hobby? Or could there be two of the same name is a small part of SD County?

CHEF - I am taking today off work and so will email you those addresses tomorrow. Friday got to be just a complete overload and I forgot to call our dear BBer from Oklahoma re lunch as well and now feel like a total ditz California blonde (which I am, so I guess if the horseshoe fits)...

[Beezer]

Oh, Portia ... I remember the name Jim McAvoy. But for some reason I want to say he eventually wound up doing western horses?? And wasn't there a Michelle McAvoy who also did quite well?

A question to jog the memory banks of the Northern California crew: Merry and I are trying to remember the name of another trainer we saw when we came your way. He had dark hair and (often) a mustache. Was very competitive in the greens and opens but don't think he had many juniors/amateurs. Think his first name was Patrick?? Merry clearly recalls him too but she can't remember his name either (which is an incredible event in and of itself! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) This would have been the mid-'70s through the '80s; he was always trading championships with Larry Larson in the open divisions. Someone please come to the aid of two brain-fading SoCalers!

[dublin]

I'm thinking Patrick Rostron??? I believe he was training up in Portola Valley during the timeframe you mentioned....but (stealing from Dennis Miller here) of course, I could be wrong! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Merry]

Okay...
dublin: Yes, that's who it was, I believe, Patrick Roston. I also remember Larry Larson's schipperke dog. We always wanted to borrow it to buff our boots. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

coreene: The 'real' Hap did/was dabbling in reining horses. You know, reining is now a USET sport, so who knows? Wouldn't that be wild, to be a member of both the jumping and reining teams? But he has a lot of top reining guys to replace, although I believe this is simply a business venture/hobby.

rusty: Imagine That was almost a liver chestnut, was a gorgeous mare, with a very dishy face and little or no white. Cindy did hunters and some jumpers on her. One year at Del Mar the mare got a little sticky going into a combination in jumpers and Linda Hough was on the rail yelling at Cindy, "Hit her! Use your stick!" and Cindy just sort of cowboyed it down this huge line.

portia: The McAvoy my sister is referring to (the western one) was LLOYD McAVOY, so I don't think he was a relation. But yes, I do recall the saddleseat folks from San Diego area. What about the little old lady with the Hackney ponies, Mrs. Smith, was it? Or was it Scripps? Try riding in a night-time hunter class following a fine harness class! Yee-ha! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I shall let my sister arrange for the Saturday rendezvous at Equine Affaire... me thinks just after the Linda Allen clinic? (I'll be wearing a pink carnation in my lapel...) /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Anyplace Farm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And wasn't there a Michelle McAvoy who also did quite well? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

She married Tim Grubb. Not sure if they are still married.

[dublin]

They are definitely divorced. She had Sundancer, who when he was previously known as Bill Pinch, up in the Pacific NW, was in the stable where bumpkin rode!!

[dublin]

This is for CWP or other Northern Californians --

Is Patrick Rostron still training in this area?? I do remember him being very successful up here in the 70's and 80's. (and cute, too....)

[Beezer]

And DUH! re Michelle McAvoy. Think I have Monday morning disease. Sigh.

And yes, Dublin, as Merry said, you are the winner for thinking of Patrick Rostron. That sure sounds right. THANKS!

Finally, for all those going to Equine Affair ... what say we meet after the Linda Allen demo? Merry won't be easy to miss: skinny blonde with short hair, dressed in blue jeans and in a dark green Spruce Meadows jacket with a jumping horse embroidered in gold on the back. Beezer, who is the exact opposite in looks, has yet to decide what she will be wearing. If anyone knows a landmark in the vacinity of the demo, lemme know and we can huddle around it in hopes of meeting up! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Spunky]

Wow, I feel like I'm interrupting you guys! Y'all are great for keeping this convesation going for 14 pages!

Coreene, sorry if I missed your call! I ended up being pretty busy anyway. I managed to get hold of one of my high school friends who lives out there & we spent Friday evening & Saturday at Disneyland!! How fun!! Thursday I went to South Coast Plaza. The highlight was going into Loro Piana and petting the cashmere scarves. By good fortune the manager was an Illinois farmboy transplant and was very friendly. Although he didn't know anything about the showjumpers. After spotting the price tag on the $1800 cashmere stole I about fell over. (Got any hankies?)

Next time I come out I'll try to give you guys more notice and we can make definite plans for lunch! Sometimes these trips are a little unexpected. . . . LOL!

Bumpkin you know that I will be sure to see you & Elliot next time I come to the PNW!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[NancyL]

Merry-- You mentioned Joy Carney -- is she now married and with the name Joy Carney Campbell? I knew her when we both rode with Lumpy Kilham in the late 1990's (the last time I saw Joy was a few years ago and she had moved down to the LA area somewhere).

As for Joe Montana -- I have never seen a jump crew move so fast as when he fell off his horse in a 2foot jumper class at Calistoga a couple of years ago!! I don't know if he still rides jumpers, but his family still owns a ton of horses.

[Lord Helpus]

from AIDS, in the mid '80's. John French went to California to catch ride for Patrick's customers when Patrick first was hospitalized. But it quickly became a permanent job when it was apparent that Patrick would never have the stamina and energy necessary to continue running a show barn and riding all those horses at shows.

But, contrary to the original post, Patrick had a barn full of happy ammies. He was great with us. One of his ladies was named Rosie Garlock and she had a mare named Society Girl. This mare was a tad short strided, so Rosie never took back down a line. If the line was set on an easy stride, it was a "one cluck line". If it was set a little long, it was a "two cluck line". Rosie won a lot of ribbons, and all she needed to know from Patrick was whether the line was one cluck or two... I always cracked up when I overheard them talking at the back gate.....

Yes, Patrick truly had a way with older ammies. And we loved him.

[AMom]

I bought my very best, most wonderful junior horse from Patrick in 1984 when he was training out of Charter Oak. He was, I believe, one of Randi Snider's horses and I'll never forget Patrick's face when we went to try the horse and my MOM decided she would hop on for a little hack too /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Old Woody didn't care that she had her sneakers or loafers or something like that on and he just went for her /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I think that's what sold him!! But Patrick was very nice to us as well...

[Beezer]

Thanks, PamM, for filling "us" in re Patrick. Once I connected the name to the right rider, I remembered that I had heard that he had died of AIDS, but that's the kind of thing that without firsthand knowledge, I didn't want to go spreading rumors.

And re having ammies, since I always associated him with the green/open horses, I obviously overlooked his other skills.

Someone several posts back noted that Judith Spreckels worked on the Menendez brothers' book and wondered why she gave up Horses magazine. I'll see what I can ferret out ... Leslie Abramson's (Erik's attorney) husband works at same company I do. (I'm thinking this is that "six-degrees of separation from Fleet Apple" thing going on here again. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif )

[Chef Jade]

Hap's significant other is (or was) a Morgan trainer, and therefore they are involved with the saddle and driving horses. I can't remember his name, though. Scary to say, but, I did the Morgan circuit for a couple of years.

And re: Joe Montana...he wanted to buy the real (horse version)Chef for his wife. My first reaction was NO! because I couldn't bear to seperate myself from him (Chef, that is, not Joe - although he is pretty cute.) Then he went on to spend almost $100,000 at the auction they were having in conjunction with the show...on ONE horse. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I may be in on the Pomona thing. I'll let you all know.

[AMom]

I thought this might be a good thread to post this question because I think this business is LA or SoCal-based:

About five years ago at the now defunct San Francisco Classic horse show, I came across a booth where the person was taking orders for stuffed horses in the likeness of your own horse(hence the name). You would provide her with pictures of your horse and she would make the stuffed animal and you could have it braided or unbraided etc.

I had one done of my old show horse and it is the cutest thing! I even had her make a dress cooler for him in our barn colors. I'd like to have another one made, but managed to throw away the information I had /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Does anyone know anything about this? The gal's name was Lee Ann something and I seem to remember that she used to show??

[Lord Helpus]

according to John Quirk (FWIW) Judy Spreckels just got tired of the monthly grind and deadlines of putting out the magazine. Plus, she really enjoyed the western end of it, and that went into such a decline in the late 70's, early 80's that it was practically just a H/J magazine anyway.

So John bought it. But then he ran into fianancial troubles with it and Joan Irvine Smith bought it from him (although she was always the unknown owner). That's when John got all grandiose and started calling it the offical magazine of the AHSA and USET. So it lost it's unique flavor.

To me it had already lost its uniqueness since I loved the gossip articles that Judy wrote -- all the "guess what junior rider's mom is sleeping with the trainer" comments...

I am guessing, but am pretty sure, that it must have died a financial death -- it was a magazine without a solid focus in the 80's when John ran it.

Too bad. It was unique -- I can still remember my HORROR when I saw my first issue. Coming from the east as a kid, the only magazine I had ever read was COTH. And my wonderment that an entire magazie was supported by "Congratulations to me" pictures! (Of course, as soon as I had something to congratulate myself about, I was a happy contributor, too). And my doggies Emily and Charlotte (the Bronte sisters) were proud horse show dogs of the month. I sure wish I had saved those magazines.....

[Chef Jade]

There is lady who used to post on the Equisearch board under the guise of Cougar2. One post she mentioned that she made custom stuffed horses and sold them at shows. So it may be the same person???? You could try there, but I don't think she is around much now that that board went downhill...

[wtywmn4]

Couldn't agree more PamM. Horses was wonderful and loved the newsy/gossipy stuff Judith had. It really lost alot in it's transition. Remember all the "Backgate" gossip, you knew exactly what where and how /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think you all are trying to remember Jim McEvoy. He did saddle horses, and trained morgans. He's still involved, but more from the official side now. And it's Michele Macfarland, she has the Sripps Miramar Ranch, rides the colored or paint saddlebreds. Great fun to watch she & Brownie showing at Del Mar..

[Merry]

But yes, I'll be wearing blue jeans and some sort of turtleneck, I'm sure, and if we're outside, the jacket (and it's not a gold horse: it's a chestnut and the rider has on a red coat!). /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

CWP, how weird about the custom horse dolls, as I created my own pattern for stuffed horses and made them to order and put dresses on the girls and pants and a jacket on the boys! I sold--- well, hundreds of dollars of them just by word of mouth. A couple of Christmases ago, I was living at my sewing machine. It's a great cottage industry (all cash!) but I can't even look at the pattern right now. I don't know of whom you're talking about, but if they're at Pomona, I'll get their card!

NancyL I saw Joy Carney-Campbell's photo in Show Circuit a couple of years ago in the AO's, wearing a shadbelly and winning something, so I assume she's still riding. She is such a long-time horsewoman; she's tough to beat because she doesn't make many errors. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beezer]

Gold, chestnut ... whatever. And how could I have forgotten the turtleneck?? It's standard Merry attire! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Two other names from the past: Lolly and LuLu Miller. Lolly married Mike Edrick and they ran a very successful barn out here but not sure if they're still together? I'm sure someone can fill in the huge gaps in my memory banks....

[Louise]

Still reading eagerly. You guys are amazing, what memories!

CWP - email Portia, I believe she just had one made for her by Couger2 and could probably help you.

[Merry]

I tell you these things and they apparently just slip right outside your brain!

That's one of the reasons the Lovely Spotted Terror went to Lakeview Terrace: to be tried by the Edricks, you numbskull! Yes, they're still married; they were looking at The Spotted Beast as a medal mount for their daughter. (Alas, like many exotic creatures, the spotted mare is gazed upon with lust, but is impossible for mere mortals to ride).

Lulu rode Getaway Devil when we were juniors/young ammies. Remember, he was by Getaway II. That's one of the reasons I bought that mare, Getafox, at the TB sale, because of the bloodline. Or DON'T YOU REMEMBER THAT, EITHER? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wtywmn4]

No in house fighting ladies...Be kind Merry, she had an SM

[Portia]

CWP, Cougar-2 posts over here sometimes also. I had her make me a Lucien pony and a Portia pony, and I love them. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (Yeah, 42 years old and still playing with stuffed animals.) I got the Portia pony to give to my trainer for her birthday, and after it arrived I had to force myself to hand it over. But I still have my Lucien pony at home. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here's the link to her site -- http://www.hollyhorse.com/

As for Jim McAvoy, he was a saddlehorse person but then went into doing more officiating/managing type-stuff. He was the barn manager, I think, for the World Cup in San Diego a few years ago. He is still Hap Hansen's partner.

[dublin]

Does anyone remember him? He was apparently training down in Southern California at the same time as my sister (I believe mid to late 70's) and then coincidentally they both later moved to New Mexico and trained there as well.

I was discussing this topic with little sis yesterday; she no longer is involved in the horse show business, but really enjoyed reading all the posts, and knew so many of the people we've been discussing.

She said she had found out a couple of years ago from a friend that Robert too had died of AIDS....it's very sad how many of the trainers we knew died of it in the 80's and 90's, before they really had any of the medical treatments they have now.

[Beezer]

...because Merry, her beloved sister, has made Beezer look like an idiot. (And Beezer, really, can do that all by herself, thank you very much.) Beezer admittedly multi-tasks when family members -- with their unerring ability to call on deadline or as news is overtaking Beezer -- attempt to talk to her through the telephonic device. But in this case, Beezer can completely and honestly claim ignorance.

Merry NEVER TOLD Beezer that the Edricks attempted to ride the lovely Spot (or that during the same "are you SURE you want to buy this horse?" trial period that Dick Carvin and Francie Steinwedell-Carvin also sat their butts on said mare.) Beezer frequently finds out information this way. As in "Yadda yadda yadda ... Dad's surgery went fine ... yadda yadda yadda ... Arthur has to be laid up for six months ... yadda yadda yadda." Beezer would like to point out that in these two illustrations, Merry buried the lead of the story! Beezer was left wondering: "What Dad's surgery? Why is Arthur laid up?" Since Beezer has left the family compound, she is often kept in the dark about daily developments there. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

So all Beezer knew was that Spot was going away on trial. And then Spot came home and Beezer had a new jumper. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Had Beezer known that she was going to be riding a horse that such illustrious personas had found "too spooky" and "too much horse," Beezer might have wondered just how much sisterly love Merry has for her. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[This message was edited by Beezer on Feb. 06, 2001 at 01:15 PM.]

[Coreene]

What time is the Linda Allen clininc? She asks, too lazy to scroll back and find the link to the site and scroll all over that, too...

[Merry]

Hey, so maybe you need to get involved a little more in the "business transactions" of the family horse farm!

And as for questioning my motivations for giving you the Lovely Spot to ride, just look at it this way: if not for you, she'd be a broodmare on someone's pinto sporthorse breeding program--- far, far away. This way, every time you achieve a moderately successful round on Spot, there are spectators who will be looking on with admiration. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

As of right now, it has changed a little.

Saturday, in the Practical Horseman Arena (or, as our mom referred to it in a classic Mom-ism, "Practical Sportsman"), Linda Allen is doing a 10:00 a.m. clinic on Jumpers/Assessing the Course, etc. Then at 1:00 p.m. she does the Huntseat Equitation offering, focusing on trends in the showring. (I assume that means no show bows and the introduction of the newest fad, RUST BREECHES! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Coreene]

...and demand rust breeches (always a personal favorite), hunt coats with velvet collars, white shirts with plaid chokers with big pins, brown field boots, flat bridles, brown helmets ... and then toss in Show Bows, too!

So would you wanna group after the first or the second?

[dublin]

Am I the only person that thinks the velvet collars actually looked nice?(I probably am...) /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
They seemed to really come into popularity, at least on the West Coast, in the mid to late 70's, a few years after I stopped showing.

[This message was edited by dublin on Feb. 06, 2001 at 03:27 PM.]

[Coreene]

...that she, too, liked them. Though I did have a hard time living in England and seeing them on tweed coats. With too-short-for-Yankees boots. But they look very nice on dressage coats, I think, especially the dark blue shadbellies.

MERRY, are you writing for Horse International / West Coast Jump?

[Beezer]

I was beginning to wonder where you'd disappeared to! And what did you do with Taryn?

Re getting together on Saturday ... what say we try to "find each other" after the first Linda Allen seminar? That way, if we fail, we have a chance again after the 1 p.m. one. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Coreene]

I took yesterday off to ride. It was so unlike me and I just loved it. Since I refuse to have a computer at home, well, you know how it goes.

I hope that this Pomona thing isn't going to lure me into spending lots of money on things I don't need but I Surely Must Have This Or I Will Die. Always a downfall of doing these events! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Coreene]

Didn't see you this weekend - did you get caught up in the jousting???

Where you be?

[wtywmn4]

Sorry Portia, just have to correct you on the World Cup. Jim was Chef D'Equip as an FEI steward /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Taryn]

I watched a bit of the activities in the morning, got bored and went to play with Dave. I'm sure I'll see you at least one evening this week!

I'm not that familiar with the Pomona fairgrounds, only been once to witness a Breyer model horse/fancy rat show (oh my /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ). I think I'm aware of the main entrance, right by the hotel, in front of one of the exhibit buildings. Perhaps we can meet there, or maybe someone else has a better landmark???

Taryn

[Coreene]

What time are you going?

[Bumpkin]

Now don't forget, if you find any Show Circuits, you pick them up for Bumpkin and Dublin /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Coreene]

Email me your addresses. My friend has them at her tack shop and you can have them when the store copies are done. It's coreene@yahoo.com.

[Coreene]

Along with the other fashion faux pas that I like, I have always enjoyed a lovely pin on the choker.

When Willem and I were still showing dressage, I enjoyed an extremely OTT selection of pins on the stock tie. One at a time, of course, but the more glam the better.

[Merry]

No, Coreene, I don't write for West Coast Jump. Think BIGGER!

I thought velvet collars looked very nice and elegant, too. I mean, we are ladies... right? Why can't we have a little touch of elegance. And frankly, I had a very pretty, antique pin I wore as a stockpin. No, it wasn't a shiny horsehead with ruby eyes! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I thought it was very tasteful.

We shall see each other at the conclusion of one/both Linda Allen clinics. If she has a question & answer portion, guess what I'm going to ask?

"Alex, I'll have 'Rust Breeches' for $200."... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[rusty]

Don't laugh but I still have a navy hunt coat with a velvet color in my closet. It was my favorite coat at the time. I still think it looks nice.
I could probably be talked into wearing it if I could still fit into it.

[Merry]

But does it have red lining? Remember, it seemed like a lot of navy coats with velvet collars had red linings! So, with the standard white shirt you look... oh, so patriotic! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Bumpkin]

Oh I thought the red linings were so "flashy"! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
My navy coat had a yellow, not gold lining.
My daughter laughs at it, when I bring out of the closet. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
hmmmmm think they will come back?

[rusty]

It has blue lining how boring! Must have been purchased at the end of the velvet collar fad. It also has four buttons /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif .Did my trainer let a dressage jacket go in the ring? I doubt it. THey a re not the brass buttons that were seen alot back then, they are the ones with the fox heads on them. Have I forgotten some major trend of the 70's regarding the number of buttons or was I totally out of style then too? /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Retro fashion police please advise /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It has been a long day, that is my excuse for rambling on about a almost 30 yr old hunt coat.

[Portia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Sorry Portia, just have to correct you on the World Cup. Jim was Chef D'Equip as an FEI steward <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah! Thanks for the clarification, wty! I knew he was someone in charge, just couldn't remember how much in charge! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The last time I saw Jim McAvoy, I was maybe a 15 or 16 year old kid still taking my Saturday lessons on the school horses at Bradley's, as I had done for years. I remember how excited I was so many years later when I read a story on the World Cup and it had his name in it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

I had a gorgeous dark navy pinstripe with a navy velvet collar, with the 4 foxhead buttons. Those were the coats where you buttoned just the top 3 buttons. Of course, as the fashion pendulum swung all the way over, we then got the light tan coats with the chocolate brown velvet collars, and my fave, my own guacomole-creamy green coat with a dark emerald green velvet collar. It was smashing! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Coreene]

Well I know exactly which type of coat Merry means, and I always drooled over them.

And Merry, I am thinking much bigger, but am I thinking equine or am I thinking regular press? I know you don't write for our paper, but otherwise I'll HAVE TO BUY A VOWEL.

[Beezer]

I sooooo badly wanted one of those coats with the brass buttons! But I could never convince The Ultimate Horse Show Mom that one was truly essential to my happiness and development as well-rounded person. Sigh.

Weren't they called "continentals"? Or were those the coats that had two vents in back and the squared off hem? Now, Mom did fork over to buy one of the those! It was olive green. In that then-cool knit fabric. I sure was styling! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

(Confidential to Merry: I have outed another lurker on this thread. Katey, come out, come out wherever you are! Think the cute bay horse in the back pen.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

[This message was edited by Beezer on Feb. 07, 2001 at 03:47 PM.]

[Merry]

Ah yes, the double-knit coats. Perhaps that's why I can't get into those Equine Athletics huntcoats: that stretchy fabric just reminds me of the huntcoat version of leisure suits back in the Bob Newhart-70's!

coreene: The lovely Vanna will now reveal part of today's puzzle... My sister totally understands why I don't just come out and say what all I write, because I really don't want my writing to be fodder for the BB. I'm just a hard-working freelancer. I write for a major equine publication (not PH), plus I consistently work on books that are sort of horse-owner manuals, guides to various breeds, etc. I just finished a section for a dog book on Jack Russells, which is fascinating, since I don't OWN one! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Then there are the equine websites I freelance for. I've also freelanced for ahem, a major newspaper on decidedly non-horsey topics. Right now I'm working on a fiction book set on a ranch (sort of a personal mission). Frankly, sometimes I get sick of seeing my own name, so I'm sure others do, too! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif But hey, it pays for my showing and I get to actually USE my degree in English! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Portia]

The coat, shirt, collar, and stock pin combination that I'll never forget is the one that Diane Baker wore in the big final Grand Prix in "The Horse In the Gray Flannel Suit." That movie will preserve forever the velvet collar jacket, contrasting collar shirt look. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Which I too admit, I kind of liked.

Why is it that everyone screams about how the styles of shirts and jackets and breeches worn today are so "traditional" so we can't change anything? It sure isn't the same as the look from the 60's and 70's!

But, then, maybe that's a good thing! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Merry]

(Drum roll, please...)Rust Breeches!

However, I must acknowledge that she also was wearing, in that scene where Aspercel first arrives, what appears to be a cashmere twin-sweater set, a skirt and a string of pearls! Yeah, right, I wear my cashmere around the horses. The manure dust clings to the Mongolian fibers so nicely. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Merry]

Kathy Kusner did a lot of the stunt riding for Diane Baker in The Horse in the Gray Flannel Suit...

Kathy Kusner rode, in the '72 Olympics...
Fleet Apple!

It's "six degrees of Fleet Apple" again! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Coreene]

Well I'm hoping that you understand I meant "West Coast Jump" in a positive light, after being bought by BCM. And on a side note, I trekked across Holland last Spring to their head office so I could buy a Samsung Nations Cup jacket, which would never have arrived had I ordered it via the internet.

Re this whole fashion thing, I am just waiting for the return of the brown field boot. It will happen.

[AMom]

Coreene,

I am so irritated with myself because I recently saw a picture of brown Vogel field boots advertised in a non-horsey magazine (Bazaar maybe? But I haven't bought that magazine in eons so it couldn't have been...) and I didn't keep the article to share with you all... They and another pair of boots by a regular shoe designer were pictured in one of those "in fashion" type of articles and the boots looked so horsey that I took a closer look and read the accompanying article--sure enough, Vogels!

[dublin]

I've still got my custom Dehners from 1970....they must qualify as antiques by now! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I don't really know why, since I haven't shown in years and am not even riding at this time, but for some reason I can't bear to get rid of them.... I certainly preferred them to my black Dehner dress boots, as they were much more comfortable. Hope they come back in style!

My previous post about Robert Foley may have got lost in the flurry of messages about 70's show fashion....does anyone remember him? My sister was good friends with him when she was training in Southern California, and then subsequently in New Mexico. He was another victim of the AIDS epidemic, unfortunately.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Coreene]

CWP, I always loved them. I still love them. I will always love them.

Call me gross, but I thought those Lady Northampton boots that Wellington put out years ago in England were brilliant. You know, the RUBBER riding boots that were DARK BLUE at the bottom and then the leg was this rather jaunty beige fabric with blue trim. Too wild for words. A nice fun difference on muddy days. They had them in green, too. This was 10000000 years ago before paddock boots.

But what REALLY scared me was when I got the new Divoza catalog the other day and they showed a new line of rubber boots that included rubber field boots lacing halfway up the leg ...

[wtywmn4]

I am laughing so hard, not at you, but with you Dublin I still have mine too!! And they are Dehners. Hiding at the back of the closet. They're not really the brown, but mahogney. Well, maybe someday we will be back in. Keep trying them on, just to check that they fit.

[Katey]

I've read EVERY one of the 300 something posts and have been lurking all along. Unfortunately I don't have much to add because I wasn't even born yet when most of this went on! (Yes Merry and Beezer are my ahem "older" cousins and have now drug me into this insanity.)

Merry- are you still planing on that fact finding trail ride for your book with the horse shoer? Last I heard your mom was not very happy about it and still didn't know how to drive a Jeep!

[Coreene]

I didn't know that the real Chef had passed on and just noticed it in the most recent Show Circuit (which will be sent up to my buds who can't get it, along with another). I was so sorry to see that and thought that your ad was a fitting tribute to a wonderful horse.

[Beezer]

Dublin: Afraid I don't know of/about Robert Foley ... though as must be obvious by now, I am much more aware of the HORSES than the trainers/riders. But if anyone knows of him, it will be Merry. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

For the Equine Affair attendees: If it's raining, Merry will refuse to wear her beloved Spruce Meadows jacket because of the leather sleeves. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif But it is a sure bet that the "skinny blonde" will be in jeans, a turtleneck and some sort of heavy coat (because it will not, you know, be above 70 degrees and that is just NOT acceptable /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). I believe the ring the Linda Allen seminar is in is the main show ring over by the barns. Anyone know an obvious landmark where we can try to hook up??

[Merry]

Dublin: What was Robert Foley's barn's name? Where in So. Cal. did he train? Can you think of any show horses in his barn? The name sounds vaguely familiar, but I need more data to coerce the brain cells into action.

And yes, I believe I may be donning my light blue down parka for Pomona. And enough about the "skinny blond" thing. I just ate 1/2 box of Stater Bros. brownies, so I may be bloated and unrecognizable by the weekend!
/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The reference Katey made is to the book I'm slaving over. It is such a funny story (not the book, my mom, Queen of Horse Show Mothers). Last week my mom's snooping around, pretending to do some barn chores, while I'm interviewing my farrier for some background info for this book. I need to know how someone sets up a picket line, how much weight a pack horse can carry, etc. And my mom keeps walking in and out of the feedroom. I keep telling my farrier the storyline, about how, on this overnight ride, this "bad guy" causes a ruckus, etc., and the only way up to the camp is on horseback or by jeep. And the farrier starts telling a story about how his horses one time spooked in the wind and got loose from the picket line, etc. So my mom, Miss Snoopy Pants, storms into the feedroom, interupts, and says all huffy to our shoer, "I don't know what you're talking her into doing, but I am NOT coming up some mountain in a jeep to rescue her!" LOL!

It was like, "You know Mom, it's a BOOK I'm talking about! Stop eavesdropping!" /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Life on Farm with Mother", Chapter 14... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[AAJumper]

LOL Merry...great story...I love this thread!!! I think the CA clique is going to win the title of longest thread if this keeps up!

I haven't decided yet if I am going to the Equine Affair or not. If it rains, I will definitely go. But if it is sunny, I don't think I can pass on my Saturday lesson. Is anyone going on Sunday? If I go, I'll wear something with my barn logo (Victorian Farms) on it, probably a black jacket. I might wear my cool straw hat I bought at Indio last week...it has a leopard print scarf on it.

The only part of the Pomona Fairgrounds I am familiar with is the nasty hall that I had to sit in for 8 hours a day, two days in a row taking an engineering licensing exam. Yuck. And I've blocked that out of my memory, so I'm pretty useless in the Pomona landmark department! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Bumpkin]

I was browsing through the Ride-Away catalog from GB this morning, and wow, there were hunt coats with velvet collars!!!
The coat I quite liked was called the County Show Jacket.
It was very similar to a cutaway, had the points, waistcoat, but was short like a normal hunt coat!
And came in tweeds or navy blue.
www.rideaway.co.uk (http://www.rideaway.co.uk)

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Of course the GB styles could be just catching up with our 70's styles???!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Chef Jade]

Coreene: Thanksf or the nice words about Chef. He was such a special horse...I still can't beilieve he is gone. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Also, if you e-mailed to the first address I gave you, my company blocked that web-site so it may take awhile to respond.

I was hoping to make it out to Pomona with you all but I have been ingnoring Mr. Chef completely the last few weeks. Well that is partially his fault since he won't come to anything horsey - and of course given the choice of riding or spending time with him...well, let's just says he know better than to ask which I'd rather do! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So have a blast, and I will catch up with you all in person sometime soon, hopefully.

[Coreene]

Oh NOOOOOO!!! Those jackets in the Rideaway catalog are a NIGHTMARE in real life. Too long, very shiny and Not Quite Our Kind, Dear.

Not to be a raging snob, but Jackets They Wear Over There and Their Boot Length have always been two of my pet peeves. Having lived there for three years and gone to every show possible to ogle horses, I earned my stripes.

Of course, apologies to anyone I've offended re saying this. It's one of those fashion things.

[rusty]

coreene I agree with the fashion police /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The fashions from the other side of the pond are quite unique. I have some clients from the UK and explaining the clothes and hunt seat verses there flat work is some times quite a task. I finally convinced them not to do any clothes shopping while visiting friends. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I am trying to talk about some thing frivolus , since I had to put down a old friend last night. He was 31 and been healthy until yesterday when he coliced. He was put down at UCD after discovering that he had a bowling ball size enterolith. I miss you Jiggs. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif By the way he was very sound and placed in all of his classes at the show last Sat.

[Bumpkin]

I lived there for 4 years and cringed at the show attire, but was hoping since that was afterall 20 years ago....... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Bumpkin]

My sympathies to you and your family.
I know that is what happened to Bumpkin's foal, Boogie, at the ripe old age of 30 and it is still hard to accept a year later. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[weeble]

when you lose your friend. I will go to the barn today and give my horses a treat and scratch their eyes and keep you and Jiggs in my thoughts /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Coreene]

Oh Rusty, I'm so sorry. What a lucky horse to have had you. I will bring an extra big bag of carrots down to the barn tonight (Ralphs and Albertsons does 25 lbs for $3.99) and my row and the facing row will all have some in Jiggs' honor.

On a Try To Make You Smile note, what is it about 17 year olds over there showing horses in jods? Scary.

[Beezer]

I, too, am very sorry. You have my deepest sympathy. There is no pain worse than that of losing a dear friend.

[dublin]

My condolences as well on the sudden loss of your boy. You're in my thoughts. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[rusty]

Thank you every one for your kind words and positive thoughts.

[Merry]

rusty: I'm so sorry for your loss of your pal. I know they sound like simple words, but you obviously gave Jiggs great care and love, as he lived so long.

AAJumper: Who knows, we may yet be at Pomona on Sunday, too! But on Saturday, if I see anyone in a Victorian Farm coat or a straw hat, I'm going to be stalking them! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

coreene: I wasn't at all offended by your comment about West Coast Jump. (Problem with e-mail stuff: no tone of voice to be heard). One of the websites I write for is Horsecity.com who is sponsoring the grand prix of Indio and a $50,000 grand prix at WEF. But no, I do not write any of the rodeo/reining stuff!LOL!

So, should Beezer and I just stand up in the bleachers at both of the Linda Allen clinics and just shout, "Anyone here from the Chronicle BB?" /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I will be wearing a light blue puffy down coat and I do have short blond hair in the traditional Newport Beach 'bob'. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Merry]

Oh, and as for the brown field boots: I guess this means I shouldn't have THROWN AWAY my beautiful cordovan dehner field boots? They still fit me; they just needed new lining. Sounds like they could've fetched some $ on "Antiques Roadshow"! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I'm all for them coming back in style, too. Will we all live long enough? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[rusty]

If we restart the Brown Field boot trend then we will definately live long enough to see it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ANy one brave enough to wear them at a show. If you do this take out life insurance on your trainer and wear the Rust Breeches and Velvet collar coats and just to make sure they have a heart attack wear a floral shirt. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[rusty]

Sorry for the poor grammar in the above post. /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif My brain is not functioning due to lack of sleep. So I will now say good night all. I will see you all in BB land tomorrow. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Bumpkin]

But alas I cannot afford a pair of brown field boots!!
Anyone with a pair they don't want?
I am old enough to not care.
Although, don't worry Duffy, I have had my chokers monogramed.
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[Lord Helpus]

Anyone wearing the above mentioned outfit must also wear bright red lipstick and comb their hair into a page boy which sticks out below the hunt cap (in a tasteful hairnet of course. We do not want to be tacky.....)

[rusty]

PamM thank you for giving us the additional tips on the correct turn out for the new outfit. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bumpkin do sen pictures. You will be our poster girl. I don't know what we should call our selves yet. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif ANy ideas.

[Bumpkin]

The lipstick, forget it!!! Blick I hate lipstick /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
I want to wear brown field boots and dress not of the 70's, but with a nice tidy 2000's look.
We could start our own style /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif !
I like the pageboy look, but my hair is longish, I don't think I want to cut it /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif haha
I just need to find some brown field boots!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[rusty]

Bumpkin, you won't get an argument from me about the lipstick. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It is going to be cold here today. They are predicting snow in the east bay valleys. My poor boys and girls are going to get cold. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I hope there blankets will keep them warm. I usually have to whine about the cold when it gets below 60. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Bumpkin]

We had snow yesterday. Finally!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Then it rained /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
They predict snow throughout the weekend, which I am looking forward to /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Elliot and I can have our lesson today, and I can get the goodies one needs to survive snow and then hunker down /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif haha

[dublin]

They're predicting it in the hills around here too. If so, it will only be a 15 minute drive up to the summit to go play in it! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Rusty, I noted your east bay valleys reference...do you live anywhere near Sunnyvale??

[wtywmn4]

Have been away for a day or two, just read about rusty..I am so sorry. Your dear friend, thats incredibly hard. You have my deepest sympathy...

[Merry]

RE: the brown field boot debate. My trainer actually said, with her own mouth, "The brown boots will come back if people keep wearing those brown coats. It's inevitable."

I'm putting the champagne on ice...

[Coreene]

One could, say, wear the brown field boots with the rust TS, and then a very nice new coat and shirt. Decorate throat at will, lipstick of choice, hair up or pageboy and then try like hell to find an approved BROWN helmet.

OR: you could just whatever struck your own fancy and convention be damned.

Say you were having an English day - you could toodle into the ring in your scary beige (they do a scary beige Over There - sorry DoubleClear but I don't like it) or canary breeches, too-short boots, stretchy velvet collared jacket (HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE PSEUDO SHADBELLY LOOKS THEY HAVE? DARK BLUE WITH A RED VEST?!?!?!), your man's necktie and a dark blue helmet.

Whoops, there goes the phone, gotta run ...

[rusty]

dublin, no I am not near Sunnyvale. I am in Lafayette probably about an hour unless there is traffic which is always these days.

wtywmn4, Thank you.

[Merry]

coreene: Isn't that like "Clash Day" in elementary school? Or Halloween? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I swear, I am looking at Pomona for a shirt to distinctively coordinate with my rust breeches and/or a wacky flowered shirt. They came out a year or two ago, but people backed away in horror. I sew pretty well myself, but I am considering hiring a local seamstress to make me a ratcatcher if I buy my own fabric. I mean, geez, the things are $100.+ off the rack already; how much more to have one made in your choice of fabrics? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[rusty]

My mom made some ratcatchers for me last year and said the pattern was so hard to fit she would never do it again. So I would recomend a seamstress it probably would be a little more, but well worht it. I am going to give mom this year off and maybe hit her up next year /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
The fabric selection is nice though.

[Coreene]

That's why I always love my dressage stock.

And, in two fingers up to convention, mine has very teeny blue dots on it and I wear it with a flashy-ish pin. So there you go.

Hey ... we're in Southern California! It's HOLLYWOOD, baby!!!

BTW, my guess is that Tom left Nicole for Penelope Cruz. One hears ...

[MO]

Hey, don't forget the brown gloves too! Maybe even a short brown crop to boot!

You all will look so smashing. Don't forget the camera so you can share with all of us who won't be there. Wish I could join in the fun!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Coreene]

You'll need to do a Hollywood trip. Get big Jackie O sunglasses, red lipstick and a flashy pin for your choker with lots of rhinestones, and HUGE diamond studs.

[Coreene]

OMG, I am not sure if I can go tomorrow. Something has come up, but I will try and reorganize so I can at least whizz over to try and hook up after the 10 a.m. Linda Allen.

If I can, I will be the tall abondanzza (isn't that the Italian word for ample?) blonde with short pony tail in the navy Samsung Nations Cup jacket.

And if - perish the thought - I can't make it, we'll just have to meet up at a show.

Hoping to see you tomorrow!!!

[Beezer]

Merry and I will keep our fingers crossed (of course, you won't be able to SEE Merry's fingers since they will be clothed in gloves because of the anticipated chilly weather /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) that you will be able to be there. I'll be the one carting all the blankets and coats necessary to Merry comfortable. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif (Actually, more along the lines of an oatmeal-colored fisherman's sweater, jeans and a dark-fuchsia jacket.)

[Coreene]

1) that I'll meet Beezer and Merry tomorrow
2) that I won't spend too much time buying all sorts of things I don't need
3) that this rain passes by very quickly!

[AAJumper]

Well, if anyone happens to read this before they leave, I'll be at the 10:00 Linda Allen clinic. I'll have my black Victorian Farms jacket and a green sweater w/jeans, white nike tennis shoes. Hope to see some of you guys there! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~Michelle~

[rusty]

Please give us a report when you get back. SOme of us had to do our taxes and write business plans this week end instead of having fun. So you ask why am I online? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Procrastination!!!!!

[Bumpkin]

We not only want the full Pomona report, but are waiting for a new thread on your Indio report /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Pretty please? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[AAJumper]

The Equine Affair was good. I enjoyed the Linda Allen seminars, but it the rain kind of put a damper on things. I had a hard time paying attention while being uncomfortable standing (the benches were wet). I wanted to take notes like I did at the LAEC Equine Symposium, but it's hard to do when you are standing and holding an umbrella! And it was SO cold...I'm a wimp when it gets below 70. There were a ton of boothes with all sorts of products...we didn't have time to even visit half of them!

But I got to meet Merry and Beezer...than was fun! It's always nice to be able to put a face with a name, and now I'll recognize them if I see them at a show!

As for Indio, there wasn't too much to report on. I got an 8th out of 23 in one of my AA classes, which made me happy, and my horse was good. We're still sort of getting to know each other, as this is only our second show together. However, I DO have some VERY interesting pics of a barn setup that I plan to post when I get my film developed. Maybe I'll drop it off tomorrow!

[Bumpkin]

....all the way down to the bottom of the second page to bring this back up, ladies!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Now how about some reports from Merry and Beezer and anyone else who met at Pomono? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[rusty]

Is this thread dying? Those of us who could not make it to Pomona would like more news.

[AAJumper]

Did anyone go to Pomona today? I'm sure the rain put a damper on things today too, though. It seemed to rain on and off all day today. UGH. And I was supposed to go trail riding! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Merry]

Yes, Beezer and I saw AAJumper and froze to death in the stands with her. Boy, Linda Allen is a trooper! She gives a clinic in the wind/rain/cold and smiles and makes NO sarcastic comments; only constructive critiques. Paging George Morris...

It's nice to go to a clinic and hear kind of the basics being taught, yet have it attached to real-life examples. She reminded riders to adjust your track for your individual horse, how to save time in a jump-off, how NOT to run all the way to jumps on a long approach (you'll have a hard time getting your horse back for the upcoming turn),etc. It was unfortunately bitterly unpleasant weather! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif We just could not bear returning for the huntseat clinic, although I peeked at the riders and they were out there in their huntclothes, drenched! We stayed inside and went shopping! I bought a pair of Dansko paddock boots from the Mary's outlet. My sister, of course, shopped until I had a migraine and my mom was going to collapse from exhaustion, so we had to drag Beezer to the car kicking and screaming. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As for the thread dying a slow death, I assume it will be inevitable. Don't despair, Calif. clique (and former Calif. natives). We shall resurface again, even if under another unifying topic! I love the fact that we've gotten to know each other and gotten acquainted! As soon as the sun starts to shine again, we'll meet up at shows! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[rusty]

Is the sun going to shine again? It has been raining for 5 days straight. It even snowed about 5 miles from here. I am trying to decide whetther there will be any left when I try to take my daughter up there ito see snow for the first time.
It was snowing near a friend barn.

[Coreene]

So I was there! At the 1 PM LA clinic. How VERY rude of Mother Nature to intrude on the possible meeting with that thunder / lightning / downpour / hailstorm.

Alas, did not get to meet Beezer & Merry, but had fun anyhow. AAJumper, I did see you at one point but didn't know you were you.

Better luck next time!!!

[Merry]

And you didn't step forward and I.D. yourself? Of course, that would require removing frostbitten fingers from pockets to display a waving motion with frigid fingers.

AAJumper saw us. Although, I must point out in our defense that she wasn't catching us at our best. It was freakin' freezing!And we were beginning to take on the waterlogged rodent appearance. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

By the way, AAJumper, congrats on doing well at Indio!Wish I could've been there, but I guess next year...

[Coreene]

Merry, I sat at the top of the covered bleachers, wondered if one could get bottom problems from sitting on cold metal for so long, kept looking around for you and then thought I'd ask Linda my great question: "Could Beezer and Merry please stand up?"

And then with that thunder and downpour - well, you were there so you know what a great stampede we all did under the metal roof! Always something I think of after the opportunity of being hit by lightining strikes.

But on the whole, I didn't think the exhibitors were wildly exciting. Nothing much different from the one in Del Mar in November ... although those ladies with the fake hair things did a roaring trade.

[Beezer]

What I love about Southern California: It is sunny the vast majority of time. What I hate about Southern California: When it finally decides to rain, it dumps a year's worth in a couple of days. Whoever said "All things in moderation" sure as heck never lived here. (And no neneer-neneer-neneers from the East Coast lurkers, please. We know we are wimps. But all this rain, combined with a couple of quakes over the weekend ... including one centered in Indio /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ... and what for us passes as FREEZING weather is making us VERY cranky.)

Can't even ride. Even if I WERE willing to brave all this yuck, the horses -- being true native Southern Californians too -- simply do not "do" rain and the related mud and puddles. Envision hulking warmbloods tiptoeing around on the lunge line here. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Very sorry to have missed you, Coreene, at Pomona. We would have really enjoyed hooking up! But as AAJumper said, we exchanged brief, shivery greetings with her. And we came across a couple of other people we hadn't seen in YEARS and had a good natter with them. So all was not in vain.

As for the exhibits, I'm probably not the best judge, because I can ALWAYS find stuff to buy. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Merry, however, needs to fill you in on her, ahem, experience with the Van Teal saleswoman from Kentucky who probably set the phrase "Southern hospitality" back a hundred years. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Coreene]

Am now dying to hear about the Van Teal lady. Was she the same one as the one wearing the scary beige outfit on Saturday???

[Beezer]

That was the woman, the one in the scary beige outfit. I left the booth shortly after entering, mainly because the scary woman took one look at me and was like, there is nothing here to fit you ... you have -- GASP -- something for a bra to actually hold up!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif So she zeroed in on Merry. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Which is why I didn't see the whole spittin' match/cat fight that erupted. But I hear tell it drew a bigger crowd than the John Lyons seminar. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I'm a betting woman, and I learned long ago that if there is one thing you do not do, it is bet against Merry in a fashion fight!

[Coreene]

I KNEW IT! I could tell she was a wingnut (Beige Gal, not Merry) just on sight. And some of those outfits - especially the very frightening matched Yee-Ha scalloped chaps with the DO NOT TOUCH signs. Scary.

I was most impressed with the Paso Fino Saddle Meets Dressage Saddle thing over in the Spanish Horse area. The one with all the flowers carved into it. And didn't you love the Yee-Ha sidesaddle, but didn't it scare your backside at the thought of trying to stay on...

Where did you sit during the 1 PM Linda Allen Earthquake Rain Thunder Lightning Hail Seminar? Bet we were right next to each other and didn't even realize it. Tis great fun scanning a crowd looking for people when you don't know who they are ...

[elizabeth]

I'm not good enough, not blond enough.
I didn't get too meet Beezer and Merry and AAJumper this weekend.
Of course, maybe that is because I was on Catalina Island for the weekend, where it was sunny. . . .

Just wanted to work that into conversation!

[Coreene]

Elizabeth, we'll all just have to set a Place In The Middle and meet up one day. Or all go to the same show to watch / compete / whatever. But it was SOOOOOOOOO cold that you certainly didn't miss out on fun weather. Especially since you got to go on a naughty, lucky girl!!!

[Chef Jade]

(Said with CA Valley Girl accent)

I just went to the Thrifty Horse and you guys were right! I fell in love. They had the most beautify Grand Prix hunt coat - dark gray with light gray and subtle purple plaid. Plus amazing Essex and Van Teal shirts for < $60. [Fortunatley I contained myself on buying the above items)

But the biggest jackpot of all was CANARY TAILORED SPORTSMANS in MY SIZE! I am so happy...I have beem looking for these for years! And they were only $90 - brand new! (and I couldn't get my credit card out fast enough for these)

So if you ever want to meet me at show you can recognize me by that fact I will be the ONLY one at the entire show in canary breeches. I will probably make a complete fool of myself in them but oh well. Its not how you ride, its how you look, right? Think the judges will by it?

[AAJumper]

Thanks for the congrats on Indio, Merry. I'm going back again for week 6, and I am planning on doing that crazy childrens/AA jumper speed class at night on the GP field. I think it will be fun.

As for Pomona, we left the Linda Allen 1pm clinic right before the massive downpour...we were in the car when that hit, VERY thankful we weren't outside. We would have stayed till the end, but it was just too miserable out! I'm bummed that I missed the beige lady incident though...I missed that booth!

[Beezer]

Oh, AAJumper, it was enough to keep Merry frothing at the mouth for the rest of the day. I had to stop her a coupla times from going back in there for Round 2.

I'm sure ... as long as she hasn't been sucked into the morass of mud that is our little ranch at this point (and she will NOT be rescued, I might add, by the Labrador retriever who belongs to our Quintessential Horse Show Mom because Merry, the alpha mare, is the only one that blankety-blank dog obeys and he is not pleased by this -- but I digress) ... that she will sign on and give you a full report of "the incident." Merry vs. the Southern Belle. I should have sold tickets. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Katey]

Well, Merry?! Why do I always miss the fun stuff? Beezer why am I left asking for details along with everyone else? Any day now....

[AAJumper]

Well????? DO TELL Merry!!!!

[MO]

Well, well well, seem's we who could not attened missed all the fun and excitement!! But really Beezer, I being a native from the East (Philly/ Devon area) I must say that mother nature sure did pick the wrong weekend to bless So.Cal. with moisture! Too bad you all didn't hook up as was planned. Didn't you all wear the"Chrono-outfits"
as you said?
On another subject, do any of you train with or know Archie cox? I knew him in college. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Merry]

This is how I earned my civil engineering degree through "Study at Home!" exercises: 1. Get shovel; 2. Dig one long, connecting trench so that lakes in corrals flow freely into arena, forming one huge lake; 3. Now dig trench from arena lake up to fence line; 4. Under cloak of darkness (caused by looming thunderclouds and a sheet of hail) dig trench under fence onto neighbor's property; 5. Stand back, approvingly, as water flows onto neighbor's land, forming huge lake in her arena.

Okay, now, about that crazed Kentucky woman at Equine Affaire! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif So, I'm walking down the aisle in the John Lyons Shrine Hall and I come upon this large booth displaying some--- "remarkable"--- western show outfits. I pointed them out to Beezer, saying, "Hey, the western folks get to wear lavender sequins and embroidered foo-foos and I get dissed for wearing rust breeches?"

I then notice, due to factory-installed Huntclothes Radar, that the same booth is hawking English riding apparel. I see huntcoats. I see lovely shirts. I step inside and also see
Scary Kentucky Woman , now to be referred to as SKW. She's got big hair, a tight suit, and beige opaque stockings (NOT apropos for winter, but I digress). I'm admiring the huntcoats, but when I touch them I register a "red alert" (i.e., cheap fabric). SKW informs me that these are "Van Teal huntcoats. They're just on the market."

I notice they're only $100. I ask, "Is this just a promotional price to get them out in the public?" SKW skews her purple-mascara eyelashes at me and gives me the corporate history of Van Teal, chastising me for not knowing their imminent domain over everything huntseat.
/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Passing on the huntcoats, I slide over to the Van Teal shirts, 1/2 of which are stacked on a shelf system, the other 1/2 are on hangers. The ones on the shelf are boldly marked "50% OFF!". I just want to browse, because, oddly enough, I recognize some of these shirts as being in my closet at home. SKW barges up and says, "What size are you? You look like a 12." I begin, in my own, self-deprecating manner, to explain that I have to buy a 14 or a 16 because of my ape-length arms. So SKW slaps at a couple of shelves and says, "These are your sizes." I look, I kind of mentally go "ick", but then notice the ones on the hangers. Some of those look appealing. But SKW snaps, "Those aren't on sale!" /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Now I go back to the shelves, and decide to look once more. Maybe I could tailor a larger sized shirt? SKW intervenes. "I showed you which shelves were your sizes!" At that instant, I realize the price tags on the sales shirts say "$160." with a line thru it, and a hand-written "$80." I stand back in horror, then laugh. "You've got to be joking," I say. "I just bought this exact shirt at Mary's last summer regularly priced for $90. Plus, at Thrifty Horse, which is a consignment shop in Orange County (I had to bring them up!)I just bought a new Van Teal for $75."

SKW was about to blow her big hair! "It must have been a different fabric! These are 100% Egyptian cotton!" I tried to explain that no, I bought the exact same shirt, but SKW was getting steamed at me! She just was not in sync with the local So. Cal. karma. So I said, "You're not from around here, are you?" /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"No, I'm from Kentucky!"
I smiled and said, "I bet you'll be takin' a lot of these shirts back there with ya'!" And I left. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[This message was edited by Merry on Feb. 13, 2001 at 12:02 AM.]

[MO]

You go girl!!!

Did she also have saddle seat stuff there too? Or even Miniature hore thing's?? Too funny, I would have probably liked to go back to round 2 myself. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[MO]

I meant to say, horse not hore!!! Sorry /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[AAJumper]

Merry, if you need someone to design a really slick drainage system for you (including French drains), I'm your engineer!!! We're doing all the civil engineering for an equestrian project at work right now, believe it or not!

That story about that evil Kentucky woman is hysterical! I should have gone shopping with you rather than hang out in the freezing rain watching the clinic! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

Well, Mo, with that hairdo, and the way she was selling/selling/selling, you could be correct with the first spelling! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AAJumper, I'm afraid the new footing/drainage system will have to wait until the next rich relative passes away and leaves $$$! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by Merry on Feb. 13, 2001 at 01:03 AM.]

[rusty]

AAjumper do you free lance? Hopefully I will need your assistance. Not because of too much rain but because the property deall came through.

[Bumpkin]

I was just reading a Show Circuit and saw Betsy Woods in Santa Barbara, Ridgewood Stables I think it is.
Does anyone here ride with her? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[MO]

We're all up pretty late, but what fun to chit- chat like this.

Merry, I guess your page has become a real "chick chat room" how chique! We must think of some new topics so we don't disappear. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Coreene]

...would probably faint from shock to see that a little question re What Is She Doing Now would have turned into a So Cal reunion of sorts / meet and greet / Mother Nature / fashion statement / gossip column / Big Hair discussion of almost 400 posts.

Of course, never did find out what she's doing, ha ha ha.

CHEF, sorry to be a flake and that I did not send you that info sooner, but glad you became The Chef Who Got The Canary! I have always loved canary breeches. Why I could just wax lyrical ...

RE THE RUST BREECHES: at Steinberg's at our barn I saw the most darling darker plaid (very small plaid) shirt, can't remember the maker, which would go SO nice with rust breeches and some very posh colored coat. As a matter of fact, the shirts are all so great tnat it would almost (but not quite) inspire me to show.

[AAJumper]

Rusty, I don't freelance, unfortunately. I work for a small civil engineering/survey company, and we got hired to do the civil engineering (grading and drainage) for a private equestrian facility. There is a really good consultant doing the architectural work for the barns and accessory structures. He is also giving input as to the general layout of the facilities and the design of the arenas, in terms of specs for the subgrade and french drain system. We take his recommendations and do grading plans for the subgrade and also final grade of the arenas, as well as the drainage system. If you are interested in more details or names, email me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[dublin]

I talked to my sister last night and now know why his name doesn't sound terribly familiar to Merry and Beezer....he was an assistant trainer with Linda Allen (tie in to the clinic!!) in Salinas, along with John Turner, and not down in Southern California, as I had assumed. Apparently he went to train in New Mexico about the same time John went up to Washington (Pacific NW connection, bumpkin!:) ).

My sister was an assistant trainer at Larry Langer's Pacific Horse Center in the mid-70's, and was wondering if anyone had any updated info on his first wife, Lois, apparently aka 'Twiggie'..... She said she had heard she had remarried and moved to Mexico???

[Coreene]

...but have you seen some of the wonderful horses that Alfonso Romo is breeding down in Mexico (Mexico connection = link to last post = on topic, ha ha). Ratina Z is going to have four foals this year! One herself, three with embryo transplants. She's having hers at home at Jan Tops' after a nice vacation in Mexico, and the other three will be born at Alfonso's. Can't remember who the daddies are, but I'll check this out because it's in some Dutch magazine at home.

Could Twiggy be down there??? At his place?

[rusty]

Dublin that is also what I heard. Is your sister still training? If so where? and who is she?
If you want to you may email me the answers. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I have now had my 5 min. break so I am off the BB to do some serious work. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Merry]

Kind of weird, but he used to ride for some barn I trained with, but gosh darn if I can't recall which barn!?! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Wait... I know he had a really nice baby, a bay, he showed on the line 2 yrs. ago named Gomez. Perhaps something more will drift into the fogbank that is my mind...

By the way, I'm figuring that by judging the depth of the pools of standing water on our property, I should be able to raise a crop of koi by springtime. Carp, anyone? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Coreene]

Merry is doing the Slightly Inland lakes, I'm doing the beach version. The weather - so that all you East Coast luvvies can laugh - is quite rude and it's so muddy it will suck the shoes right off the feet. And the horseshoes, too. If this weather keeps up, I will sail over to Chino Hills soon to giggle more about Kentucky Woman in person.

Merry, do you think her hair grows like that or did she buy it in a can?

Archie is doing quite well in Indio now that he's branched out on his own after some very successful years working for Karen Healy. Or is that Healey? Well, you get the drift.

Wendy Carter's new outfit is doing very well, too.

[Merry]

Okay, you're right, coreene, it was Karen Healey he rode for (no, I never rode with her), but wasn't he somewhere else first?

And of course I remember "Twiggy" Langer, and her great gelding, Post Time. She often wore a light grey coat on that chestnut. Looked nice. The duel was usually between her and Kim Anderson on the grey West Point (her sister was Kris Vienna, who was married then to racehorse trainer Darrell Vienna).

Scarey Kentucky Woman is no doubt back at home pissin' and moanin' about all those tire kickin' west coast idiots. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Beezer]

The Kraemers (sp?). They rode with Russell Stewart, post-Christimar Farm days. (BTW, anyone remember exactly what the blow-up between was Russell and the Bushkins? Heard some rumors that it all had to do with money -- as in the amount he was being given as his "retainer" -- but never the details.)

The daughter "burst" on the scene as a really young junior. Their horses always had Christian names (One Way, a really nice big dark horse, is the one that sticks out in my mind) and all their congratulatory ads in Horses magazine carried Scripture and the "fish" symbol. They were here and then ... they were gone.

[elizabeth]

O.k. - I went and looked at the place where AAJumper keeps her horse, in Moorpark. Very, very nice. Possible home for Buster, if I fly him out.

However, I am thinking I might want somewhere going in the OTHER direction, b/c I might someday transfer to Orange County. Can you guys think of a place near Long Beach or Huntington or Newport?

Oh, please help!
gracias!

[Coreene]

I am at Huntington Central Park Equestrian Center. Love it because we have trails, it is right by the beach (cooler is summer / warmer in winter) and because I have a control of the gardens in front of Steinberg's Tack and Feed and Richard Spooner's mom's barn.

Their web address is www.hcpec.com. (http://www.hcpec.com.)

Email me for more info, coreene@yahoo.com.

Chef and I both work in Irvine. Get them to send you there!!!

[elizabeth]

Thanks!
I will check that out. They don't have turn-out, though, which is sad. . . .

Can you think of any other places, just so that I can look at everything?
Thank you!!

[Coreene]

We have seven turnouts.

[Coreene]

Oy vey, but we don't have turnouts in the sense of an East Coast Turnout. Out here, you get to go "into the turnout" for a half hour or so. Well actually you get to go for 15 minutes, but if you time it right you go longer. Scary, isn't it?

Let me know what part of OC because you wouldn't want to be in a stable on one side if you were working on the other. Traffic is a nightmare. Can't think of any stables in Long Beach I'd want to board at, but there are some lovely ones on the Palos Verdes Peninsula, which Chef knows all about, being as she's a PV Kind Of Gal.

[elizabeth]

Thanks! I'd be on the north end of OC, by the 405. Where is Chef? (I thought, when you first mentioned "Chef", you were referring to a spouse or significant other. Now I realize she is another poster - right?)

I'll try to find Chef. PV would be PERFECT!!
Thanks!!

[Coreene]

Check out Mapquest - HCPEC isn't too far off the 405. Skip all places in Long Beach if you like trails or whatever. Palos Verdes is glorious.

Will you be looking for trainers at these places, too? That's a whole new drama. I mean selection.

[dublin]

I'll go ahead and spill the beans about my little sister, she won't mind. Her maiden name was Mary Kay Lathrop. After she worked at PHC, she was an assistant to Debbie Nordstrom Sands at Westlake Village Eq Ctr.

Then she married and moved to New Mexico, where she trained a number of juniors and amateurs on her own pretty successfully for 5 or so years. After a subsequent divorce, she got remarried and now is entirely out of the horse business. (although she definitely enjoyed this topic when I forwarded it to her - and we had a blast reminiscing about all the names that have been brought up!).

Wish I could get her to join in on COTH, but I have a hard enough time getting her to e-mail me!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Chef Jade]

AS far as PV goes...it is a very nice place with trails all over the entire city. AS far as boarding goes, there are many places both public and private. My trainer there didn;t have her own facility so I boarded at someone's backyard and rode to public rings for all my lessons. It worked well because if you are looking for turn-out, you won't find it at any boarding stable there. Seahorse is the only good training barn there. Access to all these places from the freeway isn' the easiest, though.

I agree with Coreene, Huntington Beach is far and away the best place to board in North Orange County. Rancho Rio Verde in Long Beach is OK. No trails and right under big powerlines. Lisa Leger and brother David Wall are trainers there and they are really nice and pretty good. Lakewood Equestrian Center is also there but I don't reccomend it.

I board at El Toro stables. It has decent turn-out, decent trainers, and access to trails. And there is good lighting (a plus for me because I only ride at night after work.) There are a couple decent trainers there. There are several similar barns near El Toro but I don't know much about them. There are also some places in Anaheim I considered boarding at but only because I was desperate. Also the Orange County Fairgrounds had very nice box stalls, limited but large turn-outs, and Hillary Ridland is one of the trainers there. I hacked horses for her last summer and really liked them there and thought the horses were well taken care of...except for the fact there is no access to trails and they get little turn-out time.

Now on to "The Valley." I also happen to board a horse in Agoura Hills where my trainer is. (I know, I know, I really get around) There are so many places in that area. Our barn isn't all that fancy, we have limited turn-out, but great trails. The best part is we have a covered ring...and the footing in the outdoor holds up so well in the rain. It usually only takes 1-2 days and we are back in there jumping. There are about 5 big training barns located on the same street as us.

If I knew more of what you are looking for (training, retirement, trails) it would help. If you have more questions, you can e-mail me at

Chef@equisearch.com

[Merry]

You can't keep ANYONE straight! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Re: Russell Stewart, Bushkins, Winrock Farm, etc. The CRAMERS were the ones who had the horses with religious names, like One Way and Easter Sunrise. They were part owners of Star Milling. The kids, I thought, were very nice and well-mannered, very quiet. And very dedicated riders. The mom rivaled ours as Queen of Horse Show Momdom, however.

Mr. Bushkin was an attorney in the entertainment industry.

How do I know all this? I, unfortunately, worked for the Stewarts in the Winrock post-Bushkin era. Sad, sad chapters in my Life With Horses. A whole 'nuther world, let's just say. Honestly, just thinking about it, even though it was so long ago, is like ripping a scab off an old wound. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Beezer]

Merry, dearest, I KNOW the Cramers/Kraemers/whatever are different people from the Bushkins. I know they rode at Winrock. I know they were post-Bushkins. I did not know, however, that they owned Star Milling. Why are we NOT getting a discount??

[AAJumper]

Chef, your horse isn't at the old CT farms is he/she, right near the Kanan/Triunfo intersection? That's where my old horse moved for a couple of months after his new owner bought him. I was wondering if he was still there. I used to board at Pegasus Creek in Agoura, and while it was near my house, the turnout situation is horrible there. We had one turnout for 15-20 horses. So each horse only got out for maybe a half hour at the most!

[Bumpkin]

I think that Mr Bushkin represented Johnny Carson. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
I recall JJ telling us that when he took us there. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[rusty]

Dublin, I remember your sisters name from the show s at PHC. I would probably recognize her if I saw her.

[C&C]

Cramers. Is that as in Chrissy Cramer? She rode with Jamie Mann when I was at the fairgrounds, and I can only vaguely remember some controversy over her. Can't remember much else except her real plain bay that could jump anything! And everyone kept saying how well know she was. Maybe its not the same person though.

[This message was edited by C&C on Feb. 14, 2001 at 11:53 AM.]

[Bumpkin]

You are welcome to post on this thread of course, but JMHO you will get much more help posting a new Thread on your "problem". /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[C&C]

I had another issue unrelated to this thread on my last post, and I deleted it and made a new thread.

[Chef Jade]

Yes, my horse is at the old CT farms, now Southland Farm.

We used to be at the gorgeous Malibu Valley on the corner of MuHolland and Stokes...with the ring right along the road and the grassed in bank on the one end. Unfortunatley it came to the city's attention that the owner didn't have a CUP for ust to be there and we had to leave /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

The new place isn't nearly as nice but it works for us and we do have the indoor. Fortunately the Morgan trainer left and now we have one of the best vaulting teams in the county there. They are so much fun to watch. They used to be at Barron's Gate...what a place that is!

[Coreene]

Where did Jamie Mann wind up? Didn't she leave the Fairgrounds? I know it was a big blow to her when the - I'm going to spell this wrong - Koustofsides family left. Didn't she move to the Valley?

Isn't it against the law to move from Orange County to the Valley? Ha ha.

All So Cal Girlfriends, sad weather report. The rude man on KNX 1070 just said probably more rain Sunday. Can't we do an anti-rain dance?

[AMom]

Okay, this doesn't have much to do with anything, but my brain is getting overloaded as I prepare to go to Indio...

What does the name "One Way" have to do with religion? For some reason that caught my eye and I can't move on until I know /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Beezer]

One Way was the key phrase in a Christian "marketing" slogan several years ago. The print versions (as in bumber stickers and billboards) also carried an arrow (kinda shaped like a cross) that pointed upward. Of course, there are also several Bible verses that mention Jesus and his being the "one way" to heaven ... but now you're "forcing" me to try to dig into the deep recesses of my Baptist upbringing, and before Merry slams me again for displaying a faulty memory, I think I'll stop now. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Merry]

CWP: Sorry that question is haunting you! "One Way" was a popular Fundamental Christian slogan in the 80's, as in "there's just 'one way' to get to heaven."

Now, onto... Jamie Mann. Coreene, your HB trainer, Tracey Jacox, used to be Jamie's assistant at Orange Co. Fairgrounds. I had two very close friends in that barn at the time. In fact, one of them bought their baby green hunter from us and put it in training there! Anyway, Tracey did much of the riding/training because Jamie would split to catch ride jumpers and GP horses. I guess that's the way to pursue a goal, but it kind of ticked off the clients at home who were paying boku bucks for her behind to sit on their horse. Eventually Jamie took a job with the Leone's as a barn manager/rider. By all accounts, it didn't last long. Problem is, she had no barn or long list of clients to return home to. Plus, she had a child to raise. Now she's starting up again (I believe at LAEC along with another trainer). She's also judging again. It's no secret she had one of those personalities that rubbed some show professionals & exhibitors the wrong way. I once read her judge's cards, and every horse in the class got negative comments from her, written in long-hand, so everyone could read things like "bad jumper; no scope; lame horse; poor mover", etc. Hello???? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif A recent LA Co. show manager told me Jamie has become a "new woman" and has become much more pleasant,easy to work with, and more cordial toward exhibitors. I hope so, as she had a lot of talent and a good deal of knowledge to share.

[Merry]

So, Beezer, slow news day? Must be, for you to contemplate religious slogans! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for the rain dance... by my estimates, our horses should be sprouting algae on their legs by mid-March.

[Coreene]

...really got a shock when she got back from Melo that year and found out lots of her barn had moved to HB with Tracy. At one point she (Jamie) was going to work for Ginny Spooner last year as well. Let's hope things move in the right direction for her.

[Coreene]

Read this in equijournal.com re a judge and had to share. I could just picture it:

Monsignor Melton was one of the most capable and sought after of horse show judges. He also had so much charisma and such a great sense of humor that he was also one of the best loved. When a show fell on a Sunday he would arrive early and hold a brief sevice for riders and spectators who had missed church service because of the early hour. At one such service he was startled to see a solid row of riders in the front row. He was so unnerved at the sight that he stumbled over a word and they promptly signalled a fault on him. That made him stumble two more times and they counted him out.

[Chef Jade]

Jamie Mann is was the assistant for Richard Spooner at LAEC.and now maybe for David Josiah???? Well, she's at LAEC anyway.

That's funny the the Coutsoftides came up, I was actually pretty good friends with Lela for awhile. The horse world is so small.

[Coreene]

It is a small world. Almost scary.

Chef, how was your digging? My stall, miracle of miracles, seemed to fare pretty well. But the arenas will probably be dry just in time for the pouring rain. Oh well.

[Katey]

Finally I get to play! I went to high school with Lela! She was a friend of a friend and I think we had a couple of classes together. I honestly never knew she rode! DOH!

[Beezer]

Lela ... wasn't that an Eric Clapton song?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

(Sorry. Couldn't resist. Stressful day at work. Too many news. Consider this a BB drive-by. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

[Coreene]

But Eric's Layla, being Over There, would have had a velvet collar...

[C&C]

you might recall from about 200 pages back /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif that I mentioned taking my lessons as a junior at the same time as Richard. Well he was taking them FROM JAMIE!!! And now she's working for him???? My how the world changes! I must say a couple of more things about Jamie. She is a great rider and a fantastic trainer too -- she can get her students to really perform well, but she is not easy to work with. I agree with you Merry in that I hope she has finally found her niche. By the way, is the father of her kid a horse person. She was dating a trainer that I worked with briefly, but that was a long time ago. I just always wondered if it worked out.

[Bumpkin]

I have been to parties at Eric Clapton's when I dated his jockey /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I also sat with Ginger Baker and him at Ascot Horse Sales on a nice day /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif I think Ginger Baker was looking for Polo Ponies.

[This message was edited by Bumpkin on Feb. 14, 2001 at 07:21 PM.]

[AAJumper]

He's my old horse, and he lived at Southland Farm in November and possibly December...maybe later. He lived in the very first stall you'd come to if you were walking toward the arena from the driveway area. A woman named Tawne bought him, but she was only keeping him there on a temporary basis until her barn was built at her home. I went to see him once in Nov., and he looked very healthy, happy and well cared for. I was wondering if maybe he was still there.

On another note, is anyone going to Indio week 6? I'll be there and I'd love to meet up w/anyone who might be there. I'm pretty hard to miss when I'm riding...Cypress is a big seal brown w/big ears, and her name is on her jumper pad. Oh, and she likes to stick her tongue out. I'm usually wearing a polo shirt or hat or jacket (or all of the above) with Victorian Farms on it. I'm supposed to do the AA classic on Friday night, but then again I've said that for the past 2 years and I always end up scratching! The first time was because I fell on a jump cup and cut my leg so bad I had to get 10 stitches!!! This year I am really going to try to do it though!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Coreene]

AA, you go girl! Those who are not with you in person will be rootin' for you in spirit.

Bumpkin's Collection Of English Horsey Rockstars For $500, please include:

(the late) Cozy Powell, racehorses
Kenny Jones, polo
Steward Copeland, polo
Mike Rutherford, kur tunes for his wife Angi

...anyone...anyone...anyone???

[Beezer]

Does a Davey Jones sighting count??

[This message was edited by Beezer on Feb. 14, 2001 at 09:04 PM.]

[AAJumper]

Thanks Coreene...my goal will be just to finish the course. I hear a lot of horses get really spooky and stuff out on that big field at night. Fortunately, my AA class week 2 was on the GP field, so at least I've ridden out there once. But we had 20 faults!!! My horse is used to jumping under the lights, though, because in the winter I have to ride at night on Wednesdays. But who knows....I might not end up even entering the class, with my luck!

[Merry]

coreene: Stephen Stills had a hunter in the barn at Winrock with Russell Stewart.

AAJumper: Just think of us before you go thru the in-gate. Channel our karmic energy. We'll all be there in the saddle with you. Honest! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[AAJumper]

Okay Merry...I'll remember that. But just one question? Will you all be wearing rust breeches and showbows? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

AAJumper, if you can give us an approximate date/time of your ride, we can individually take a moment and light a candle in your honor in front of a photo of our patron saint, Fleet Apple, and chant our mantra:

"Rust be free, breeches be free;
Show bows they aren't at all for me.
Lipstick and chokers and stock pins bright--
No one can possibly get my plight!
Rust be free, breeches be free;
May the power of Fleet Apple be given to thee!"

(Well, it's either that or we can all just carpool out there and heckle you from the rail!) /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[AAJumper]

LOL Merry, you are too funny! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The date is March 9th....the time, 7pm....the food is free. We are the evening entertainment. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I dunno though, somehow fate always steps in and I never end up getting to do a classic, usually because I've screwed up earlier in the week. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif But not this time....NO, this time I will overcome fate!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[rusty]

Merry I love the mantra,since I won't be able to make it to Indio to heckle by the rail, I willbe thinking positive thoughts and chanting the mantra. SOme thing new to embarrass the kids with /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . I will wear rust during that time , but can't do the show bow thing. I have forbidden the kids to wear them, its about the only thing I get really controling about. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So it would be extremely hypocritical to wear one, particularly since I have no maintenance short hair.

[Bumpkin]

There was a photo of her jumping a horse that some of us may recall, High Barbaree, Reserve Champion Jumper - Monterey, 1971.
Since this was one of the smaller photos in the back, there is no stable name.
I will keep my eye out for High Barbaree in other issues. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Chef Jade]

Yes, I know your old horse. Tawne trains with my trainer (well more like takes a lesson now and then.) I am assuming he is the bay with the light muzzle and very overzealous to the jumps? They are doing really well together.

YEs, I will be at Indio for week 5 & 6 but unfortunatley because of the life interrupting thing called a job, I won't get there until late Friday night.

Who knows if we will even end up going due to the lack of stalls, my trainer not having a hotel room (so I get to listen to her snore all night) etc. etc. And now (god forbid) our groom isn't coming. Sometimes its more trouble than its worth!

Good luck in the classic. You'll do great! If you are around for the weekend portion of the show, we should get together.

[Merry]

Thank you, Bumpkin, for that news update from your front row seat in the Twilight Zone of the past. Now, since you're tuned into HORSES of the early 70's, who else is in there? Lane Baker? A young Kenny *sigh* Nordstrom? Who are the big Flintridge horses? What about Foxfield?

And so who dares me to actually CALL Bob McDonald and find the answer to coreene's question that started this entire thread: "Whatever happened to Kimmie McDonald, and is she still riding?" /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Lord Helpus]

I can't stant it anymore -- do I know you from the 70's and 80's in California?? I know I rode up north and am older than you are, but we must have crossed paths somewhere along the line. (You can email me your real identities, and I will take an oath to keep them secret...)

Pam

[Coreene]

It's almost scary how, in a short month since this started, this is the first thing I look at every day. This thread, that is. Chef and I are practically office neighbors. Bumpkin and Dublin will be the recipients of the Show Circuits from Steinberg's in Huntington Beach. Taryn and I - at the same barn but only discovered this via the BB - were even at the grocery store at the same time the other night (yes, in pouring rain but since we do now know each other we didn't have to take shelter from hailstorms and drive away from Pomona bla bla bla).

I, too, am dying of curiosity re who Beezer and Merry really are, aside from BB Pals, because I'm sure that with all the co-inky-dinkys I'm sure we've showed against each other.

And we've all read and enjoyed Merry's articles without realizing that it was Merry.

And now we're going to start the Rust Breech Movement.

[Merry]

Don't tell anyone, but I'm really the long-lost love child of Jackie O. and Bert deNemethy, and my sister, Beezer, is better known under her Pulitzer Prize-winning pen name, Jane Smiley. You think you liked "Horse Heaven"? Wait'll you read her next book, "Horse Hell". It's all about life growing up on the Calif. show circuit, as seen through the eyes of Fleet Apple! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[dublin]

The mind reels, given what I recall of his looks - and rotten teeth..... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Coreene]

I used to work for a music publicity company in London and always had to laugh at how, after these rockstars and wanna-bes (you know, one hit wonders) made their first pile, they immediately had to get into racing.

[Bumpkin]

I have been looking in the olde HORSES that I pulled out of the attic of my rental house, and whenever I see photos of sisters I stop and wonder.
Now I do recall Merry saying they had been sent horses from another trainer(s) to show when their own horses were laid up or something, and that those horses were for sale.
I saw one full page, two photo, ad last week that was two sisters who were showing horses that had done well and were just sold or for sale.
I really should take note of the issues and write these things down when I come across them.
It is kind of fun just wondering to be honest /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Coreene]

I'll Take Twilight BB Zone for $500 Please!

Chef was easy; she email me and there was here name. Same with Dublin and Bumpkin. Taryn is Taryn...

But the weirdest thing on Saturday was I kept wanting to walk up to people I'd never seen before and say "SO, do the names BEEZER and MERRY sound familiar?"

Too bad that it started to rain before it was over; maybe I'd have plucked up the cajones to ask Linda Allen my big question: WILL BEEZER AND MERRY PLEASE STAND UP?

Hey, SISTERS, where were you sitting by the way? We probably sat together without realizing.

[Merry]

No, sorry, we were never in HORSES magazine.

Geez, coreene, do you have e-mail? Do you go to any of the bigger Orange Co. shows? What about the year-end finals? I didn't go last year, but you couldn't miss me in the past few years, trust me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Gee, Beezer, should I tell them in which magazine they can currently see BOTH our photos? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Coreene]

Coreene's email: coreene@yahoo.com

I think the last show I went to was when I dragged myself up the hill at our barn to spectate. Like October or November or something. It was that three day Robin Serfas show (I think it was Robin) where day three vanished.

BTW, before last weekend's show was canceled due to rain / thunder / lightining / hail / etc., there were fifty entries.

And these wonderful colored WBs you're talking about - I'm just thinking that my next horse (in addition to Willem, never a replacement) should be a Godzilla colored WB brick outhouse. At least 17.3. Chestnut with chrome and some white blobs. MERRY, I'LL TAKE BIG HORSES FOR $500.

[C&C]

Your killing us with the suspension!! If you and Beezer think you might actually reveal your true identities a game of 20 questions might make it more interesting. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Questions could be all yes or no..... Like, is the publication in which we can see both of your equestrian related?????

[Coreene]

Right!!!

Equestrian related?
Separate photos or together?
Rust breeches or bridesmaid dresses?
Newport Beach Pageboy or Show Bow?

[C&C]

I do dare you to call Bob McD. I'd still love to know what Kimmie is up to now. When Bob left, Kimmie was taking classes at OCC, but she and Bob had quite a few heated arguments (typical "I'm a grown up now, I can do what I want" vs. "not as long as I pay the bills" kinda arguments) not long before Bob and Debbie left. (Oh, and yes, I'm a chicken and could never call Bob myself.)

[Bumpkin]

But, but the ad wasn't put in by the riders, but the owners or trainers.
Perhaps haha you never knew it??
Curses, haha
I don't know if I want to know yet /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PS Like this old mind can recall which issue!!
My memory is a very tricky thing anymore.
haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[This message was edited by Bumpkin on Feb. 15, 2001 at 08:45 PM.]

[Beezer]

Are you sure we were never in Horses mag? For some reason I thought we had been ...

And don't you DARE tell anyone where we may currently be seen. Beezer would prefer not to be humiliated any more than necessary. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[rusty]

Beezer, I can relate to your last statement. I would die right now if a picture of me was put into a magazine right now. Not that any one would want to put a picture of me in a magazine. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

Go to Horsecity.com, click on Hunter/Jumper from the main menu. They change the articles every couple of days, but it's there now. Look at/find "Flatwork for Clean Flying Lead Changes". Go to the entire article. That's me, at home, on a 17.3 hand horse we bred and raised. We sold him, by the way---- to SANDI NISSON!

And who rides for her? TAMMY HICKOK. Who originally rode at HILLSVIEW. And once rode with BOB MCDONALD. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, geez...I just realized pretty much the entire Hunter/Jumper section at Horsecity.com is full of my articles right now... and my photos! That's me on the chestnut mare at Sonoma Co. Fairgrounds (Santa Rosa); me on the wicked pinto Art Deco mare at a schooling show when she was very green... oh, and cousin "Katey" on her horse that Beezer and I found for her illustrating the "True Blue Hunter" article. So now we're all "OUT"!!! See, I told you you'd be sick of looking at me! The magazines you'll have to find on your own. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[This message was edited by Merry on Feb. 15, 2001 at 11:09 PM.]

[Bumpkin]

What great articles!
I am sending them on to some of the kids at the stable.
Thank you Merry, now where is Beezer? hehe /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Merry]

Beezer works for "The Other Side". She's an editor. At the LA Times. She represents all that is evil to a writer: slave driver, deadline-setter, She-Who-Revises-One's-Writing.

Fortunately, I only rarely freelance newspaper stuff. It's quite different from writing for a magazine/Internet site. Although those editors--- they're all cut from the same cloth. Of course, the editors I work for love me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Bumpkin]

I mean sheesh you even provide photos!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[MO]

You found her! Maybe there is some truth to what Melissa Cardenas has been "bragging about". Strange still, I had a Bernie Traurig clinic not too long ago, and she rode also. He didn't seem to recognize her, after she just finished telling me how many times she "beat him in Calgary". So, still I sit here in wonder. But at least we're getting closer!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[AAJumper]

Yep, Chef, that sounds like Tulie. I'm glad to hear that things are going well. I figured he'd be moved by now, to her backyard, but now that I know he's still there, I might have to stop by and give him a few carrots!

On another note...I feel so priviledged 'cause I got to meet BOTH Merry and Beezer in person....ha ha!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif But until they came up to me at the clinic, I kept looking around at people in the stands thinking "hmmm....are there any skinny blondes with a person that looks like their sister???"

[Bumpkin]

Mo I will let you know if I see anything else. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Chef Jade]

Finally the identities of Merry et al are revealed...well, really just Merry since Beezer and Katey may have a married name??? Or did I get lost through the 25 pages of posts and names/marital status already revealed.

Anyway, I loved the articles, Merry. I had a faint idea that the real you was you because my friend started equestriansonline.com for whcih some of your articles were on, right?

And since you hold the power in your pen (keyboard) why don't you just write an article on how rust (and canary) breeches are making a comeback - as all wonderful (and not so wonderful) fashion trends do. We can all purchase rust breeches, meet a a show the day the article comes out, and awe the other competitors with our up to the minute fashion savvy.

Deal?

[Merry]

Everyone together now: "It's a small world, after all..."

And I like NEVER do my own photos for articles, because the magazines always send some pro out, but the websites are a little less funded.

Beezer and I are venturing to the Mary's sale in Del Mar on Friday 3/2. Praying this isn't a repeat of Pomona, there should NOT be a scary Kentucky woman there, so I should be able to purchase clothing items in a demure manner. I shall investigate the beige line of breeches just for this BB.

[Beezer]

OK, so I'm not really Ms. Smiley. But I do share a small piece of two Pulitzers (honest ... I have the stupid little plastic plaques commemorating them ... somewere. In a box in the garage, I think. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif )

But Merry is the real star of the family. Me? I am just the wind beneath her wings. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (Note to Merry: there was no YOU in finding Katey's horse! I dragged that kid all over looking for him. You did, however, give him the seal of approval ... so I guess that kinda counts.)

[This message was edited by Beezer on Feb. 16, 2001 at 02:01 PM.]

[Beezer]

Sigh. So sad. Merry goes and spills and no one cares anymore. No Merry mystery. Her thread begins to unravel.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Portia]

Ah Beezer, you know interest dies when the mystery is revealed and the story concludes. But there's still room for a lengthy denoument. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[rusty]

Beezer we still don't know who you are. WHat no pictures? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I probably rode in your age group when we were Jr.s.

[MO]

That's a good one! A new topic name, "trivia Question's for Merry"

Bumpkin; yes please do keep me informed!!

Pam M, where are you? Did you see what Bumpkin found on Melissa Cardenas? High Barbaree 1971!? Ring any more bells?

Bumpkin, her other horses (that she mentioned) were, "Halcion", "Buenos Aries", and "Lumpy"

Oh well, c'est la vie! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[SuaveReno]

This is just amazing. I rode with Mr. Harris and Katrina (she used to scare the living daylights out of me!), then Don Swan, Leslie Oertly and then Kenny Nordstom (when he was dating Leslie.) I understand Katrina is living near Joan Irvine Smith.

Interesting enough, I went back to riding at the OC Fairgrounds about a year ago. I guess if horses are in your blood they always will stay there.

Regarding the OC Fairgrounds, there's some talk that all the horses and trainers will be relocated to the El Toro Marine base equestrian center after they completing refurbish it into (alledgely)a world class equestrian facility. The time frame for this to happen is between 3 to 5 years.

Are any of you still riding???? Here's a pic of me at Indio this year.

[SuaveReno]

Someone had mentioned that they thought Cynthia Cambell had died but I asked my trainer about a onth ago if she was still in the horse trading biz and she said yes. Although I don't see her at any of the shows. When I rode in the 60's (talk about carbon dating), I bought a grey hunter from her. Unfortunately, by the time I started getting good placings at some A shows, I went away to college and sold her to Leslie Oertly.

Here's a extremely yellow picture of me and Eliza.

PS. Does anyone remember Susie Dickenson who rode with Leslie in the late 60's? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Lord Helpus]

Love the pics --- just curious -- what class was that at Indio where you could use splint boots? Cut e horse!

And the 1960's pic -- so veddy veddy 60's (nice auto release, there) -- LOVE the judges--especially the woman with her dress and fancy hair do.Does anyone know who they are?

re: Melissa -- saw a post about about the Bernie clinic and that he did not recognize his old friend. I LOVE IT /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif This is too small a world to tell untruths and not have them come back to haunt you.

Merry, I canot get that page to load --- so I still don't know what you look like. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[SuaveReno]

Gosh! I am just going back reading all the old posts what a terrific feeling.

I rode with Peggy Osterkamp (I was about 6 at the time) and spent many hours riding at Winrock Farm.

Do you remember Jackie Krugenberg and Joy Tathwell? Patti Huddleston???

I remember Pappy J. I think Don Swan got him for a girl named Susan. I can't remmeber her too well except she and Don used to have ayelling match at every lesson.

Merry: Did the girl that died have a bad fall from a horse at Coto? I don't mean to be morbid.

[SuaveReno]

Talk about stream of conscious posting...

Fancy leather splint boots can now be worn in all equitation classes. That was a shock for me.....

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[Bumpkin]

I remember Ralph Walker, he was such a nice man.
He died in his sleep during the time he was stewarding the Del Mar show in the mid 70's. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Leslie Oertley's stallion, Diamond Jim was Bumpkin's brother! As was Joan Kerron's Man Alive.

When I read the old HORSES I often wonder what became of some of the Western and Saddlebred people. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by Bumpkin on Feb. 17, 2001 at 11:57 AM.]

[dublin]

Does anyone remember Bettye Lynn Heskett, of Heskett's Carpets fame?? I remember her having lots of ads in HORSES.

Also, how about Blaney and Fashion Plate, two very nice hunters from the late 60's?? There is an awesome jumping picture of Blaney on the cover of an issue of HORSES in 1967.

And in the western category, I'll have Seatac and Mr. Spats for $500, Alex..... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by dublin on Feb. 17, 2001 at 07:29 PM.]

[Merry]

"I keep... trying to walk... away... but they keep pulling me... BACK IN!"

I swear, I thought this thread was done. Finished. Buried. I was composing its epitath. But what was Mark Twain's great line? "The stories of my demise have been greatly exaggerated." /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Along comes Suave Reno and new life is breathed into this thread again! Please, tell: When did you ride at Katrina's/the fairgrounds? I recall just about everyone you mentioned: Jackie Kruckenburg had Magic Moment. What about Janet Gonghwer (spelling?). She had a dark bay mare named Solar Light. And the Oertley's! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Katrina's SO (Al) died a couple of years ago. I haven't seen/spoken with her in a few years. My sister and I grew up riding with her as our first instructor. She was a like a Russian ballet teacher! However, she totally taught us to ride and how to care for a horse. Don Swan: now there's a name! He and Katrina were always at war.
Remember when the old Orange Co. Fair show was an A show? Now they hold motorcycle races in that arena during the fair.

And good ol' Ralph V. Walker. What a classic ring steward! My friend had a little beagle puppy, and she named it Ralph after him! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh gosh, now are we back to another episode of "As the Horse World Turns?"LOL!

[AAJumper]

Let the thread die? No, it must live on! It's the never ending CA clique thread, named after our fearless leader! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Bumpkin]

and, boohoo, DISAPPOINTED!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I wondered why you were making those remarks about slowing down, etc.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
We shall never ever let this thread die, unless of course we start a new one....which I know I suggested about ten pages back, haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[SuaveReno]

I rode at the fairgrounds in 1964,65 and 66. The Don moved to Shady Canyon Ranch and we all went out there. Lee Garrett (Battle Tone), Dee Dee Beauchamp (ORCO & Tasman Sea)along with Mary Jacubek, Mary Ketcham, Mason Phelps (when he was in town), Nina Kotzin (Prince Like & Something Sweet)and the 2 kids that rode with Don also. Lisa who rode Rob Gage's old horse Harriet and her little sister who rode a horse called Mr. Jackson.

Boy, these memories just came flooding back...it's totally amazing. You bet I remember when the OC horse show was rated an A and then the Region 12 show followed. All the barns were wooden back then.

Don left Shady Canyon and went to a stable in Riverside and about that time I went to Leslie's in Fountain Valley where I did much better in the shows...back then we all bought our horses from Cynthia Cambell... Here's a picture of Leslie on Joy Tathwell's horse Hard Ice.

I really started with Katrina and Mr Harris abck in the 1958 when I was a wee tadpole. Do you remember these horses...Africa, Highglow, Little Indian, Clarney, Buckineer, and of course Mr. Harris's horse Tonopah Bill. I never saw him ride his horse ever.... Wow! I can't believe I am recalling all of this.

After Mr. Harris' my Dad bought me an old horse named Stubby and we kept him at Al's, the stable in Corona del Mar, where the 15th tee at Pelican Hills now stands. I was there until I went to Don's in 1964.....

Sheeze! I sound like a relic. Did you and I ride together? What was the name of your horse and who did you train with????

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[SuaveReno]

owned by Virginia Haley, she was always in Horses magazine and Fashion Plate ridden by Jimmy Williams. I can still picture them at the Forum horse show. here are some catagories to choose from:

1. Flintridge riders of the 60's;
2. Major show horses of the 60's
3. Major HS scandals of the 60's and 70's.
4. Whatever happend to......?

I feel brain dead today. I might need some inspiration here... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Lord Helpus]

Mousie Williams -- Is she still around and teaching?

and Cindy Shoemaker -- I know she and Bill got divorced after his accident -- where did she go?

[dublin]

another great June Fallaw picture, eh, Merry?????

Does she still take pictures at any of the California shows, or is she retired by now? Anyone /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[JumpJockey]

Speaking of Western people, did anyone know Mary Lou Street and her sister, Peggy, in Pico Rivera? She had a Palomino Quarter horse stallion she called Buck and a gray Arab stallion. This was in the late 60's. I think she had come Spiller's stable on Carson in Lakewood. She also had a big roan Appy gelding called Durango and a dog named Troubles.

[Merry]

This thread goes crazy again! I feel like Regis Philbin:"This place is OUTTA conTROL!"

Oh please, SUAVERENO, can I have horse show scandals of the 60's and 70's for $500? (Ding-ding-ding!)Oh wow! A daily double! So, give me a good one, okay? Just anything without subtitles (have to see the movie, guys!) /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Love the Hard Ice photo. That horse went into Judy Martin's barn in the mid-70's and everyone rode it for their eq. classes. Pretty funny; the gate would open at Del Mar, and he'd come in with a different rider/different saddle and troop around again!

As for the Don Swan bunch, Mary Ketchum, last I heard, went back into nursing. Mary Gail J. is still riding jumpers (somewhere). Gosh, I totally remember Lee Garrett and DeeDee Beauchamp! I, however, was a mere 14 or 15 back then; I'm 45 now, so do the math. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I know, it's amazing I still have brain cells that can think that far back!

And now, a word from our sponsor...I called on an ad for a puppy (I'm in desparate need for a smallish NON-Jack Russell puppy). It was a Corgi ad; the breeder got her dogs from---- and the lovely Vanna will now turn over the name...Cynthia Campbell,who apparently is alive and well and living in Riverside and breeding Corgi dogs! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the western horses, not only do I recall Seatac, but what about Linda Baker and all the Chex reining and stock horses, like Bueno Chex and Shirley Chex? Ah, the days of trying to school over an oxer in the warm-up ring, only to get cut off by a stock horse in the midst of a spinning frenzy!

And yes, I do remember Blaney and Fashion Plate. When I showed, Myra Moss Milburn owned Fashion Plate (liver chestnut with all the white) and rode with Flintridge. I always remember how she got in that exaggerated Flintridge 2pt. but her calves NEVER had any contact with the horse's sides. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

June Fallaw is long since gone from the scene.

PamM: Mousie (Marcia) Williams is at a nice training barn with mostly amateur adults in Pasadena. She usually instructs/manages. We sold a horse into her barn about 3 yrs. ago. She judges a lot ("R" AHSA).

Finally, I'm negotiating with the TB of Calif. magazine on a possible writing assignment, and so they send me a copy of their various publications. In their montly magazine for trainers, who is profiled? With a big color photo?You'll love this!John Sadler! Geez, weren't we talking about him, oh, 14 pages ago? How I thought he was so cute, rode at Flintridge on O'Shea plus some of Jimmy's jumpers, and then I ran into him at Hollywood Park about 5 yrs. ago? Gee, LOL, should I e-mail him this thread? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now, must go to bed and dream about men with half their heads shaved, and flying thru bamboo trees. (Maybe I should go see the movie AGAIN!!!) /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[This message was edited by Merry on Feb. 18, 2001 at 02:11 AM.]

[SuaveReno]

Ok This one is easy for starters....

Which Blond Horse Show Mom (BHSM) could always be seen wearing incredibly, tight mini-skirts, make-up to the 9's and flirting with all the judges and one particular trainer in mind???? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

Seatac came from less than two miles from where I am sitting right now!
The old Sterling Stables, now known as Woodinville Riding Club.
Diane and Johnny Johnson.
Of course he may have been sold south pre moving into the Woodinville facility and was sold from the long gone Seattle stable. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Named for Seattle - Tacoma airport I heard.

Now I am off to Canada for the day to help run a Jack Russell Terrier Rescue booth.
I shall have to cope computer withdrawal haha. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[SuaveReno]

Which junior rider of the 60's, ended up pregnant by a groom and moving to Mexico with her new husband (the Groom) and with the Baby?

Let me know if you need a hint...

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[This message was edited by SuaveReno on Feb. 18, 2001 at 11:20 AM.]

[Merry]

While we aren't supposed to be purveyors of mindless gossip on this board (geez, sounding so Mother Hen-like), must know about the junior rider, especially if was a biggy.

The only blonde I knew of "back then" was Peggy Osterkamp-Pinza. Now, do you remember her, Suave? You also mentioned, from Don Swan's barn, the sisters with Rob Gage's old horse, Harriet. Those were the Wagners: Lisa and Amy. And then there was a pretty dark-haired girl I became friends with for a while, Amelia something. And from Katrina's, you mentioned Mason Phelps. Yes, I believe we discussed him on page, oh, 19? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My first show horse was Katrina's big buckskin he used to ride, Champ. Geez, those were the days!

[dublin]

Glad to hear she's still alive -- since a number of us bought and/or rode horses of hers.....I will always be grateful for her finding Talkalot for me.

We may have to set up an e-mail mailing list to find out who's who in the gossip items, so we don't incur the wrath of Erin! Inquiring minds want to know!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Perhaps the statute of limitations for libel and slander has run out on things that happened that long ago... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[SuaveReno]

My source was "in one ear".....eeons ago

Quick question...how do I find out about a trainer in terms of their business practices without opening anyone up to libel???

Is there ummm like a better business bureau for that sort of thing??? I usually found out that word of mouth is probably the best in certain circumstances.

Please advise.

[SuaveReno]

Peggy rode with Leslie Andrews, Leslie Oertly and yours truly at Mr. Harris' for awhile. He was the only game in town for such a long time. They were the big sisters who mentored me so to speak. I believe the year was 58. I was just a wee tadpole.

Here's an interesting clip from the Daily Pilot (remember when it was actually a Newspaper???) of the Don Swan gang. Don't cha' love those styles?

I think I have some old pics of Mr. Harris (Lionel T. Harris) somewhere that I'll post.

Merry: Do you remember Chris Cornell at Katrina's about 69 or so? What ever happend to her? Remember Becky and Claudia Carver in the Back-bay? They always had such great horses and that house...

Have we met in a past life????

BTW< have we met in a past life /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[dublin]

SuaveReno,
Glad you've joined in the fun! Hope you didn't take my remark about libel and slander literally, I was really just joking! I would still love to know who those people were! (But you might just want to give us hints or initials or something...)

[wtywmn4]

Now Merry, how could you possibly want this to die? Its one of the best threads going. With great recollections, and superb stories, it's like the perfect pick me up. And Ca. clique people need this!! So don't go leaving us anytime soon.

Dear Mousie, she's the best!! Had some great pictures of her at Del Mar jumping a working hunter, then into the big jump class. Actually someone had that on video, or errr movie film. What ever it was called then. She has all her amateurs well trained, and takes them to shows periodically. Loves to come up for Menlo. Likes to get away from the heat and smog during the summer /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[dublin]

Great picture! Loved the plaid coats!! Here's a publicity photo of me for a horse show up in the Pacific NW in 1968. It's got everything....girl, horse, obligatory horse show mom (OHSM) and girl's dog! Plus a madras choker..... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And for an added connection to this topic, this is the horse we purchased from....you guessed it....Cynthia Campbell!

[This message was edited by dublin on Feb. 18, 2001 at 01:44 PM.]

[Lord Helpus]

Sounds of horns tooting and confetti falling--

Dublin -- do you have a relative named Bill who is into TB breeding and pedigree analysis and lives in Washington?

BTW, where was the Portland Hunt Club? When I lived there, I boarded at the lake Oswego Hunt Club, but there was no Portland Hunt Club anymore...