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ChocoMare
Jun. 12, 2012, 10:25 AM
...and only hauled out with your horse once a month, if even. Used the truck once or twice a week to make the 48 mile round-trip commute to work and the local zips to Home Depot & Tractor Supply, would you go with a Chevy 3500 with Vortec gas engine or stick with the Duramax diesel?

Mr. ChocoMare keeps saying diesel and, while I would be fine with that, it is a more expensive truck all around (initial cost, diesel at the pump, diesel mechanic, etc.) and we just don't use a diesel enough like, I've been taught, it should be used.

Plus I've found a nice 2010 2010 Chevrolet Silverado 3500HD LT with the Vortec 6L with only 87,339 miles on the odometer for $18,300 that's not a quad-cab.

What say you?

NBFarm
Jun. 12, 2012, 10:32 AM
I have both a Chevy 3500 Duramax and a Chevy 2500 with a gas motor. The diesel is in a whole different league from the gas motor, but I haul a very large trailer with it so its necessary. I haven't found the diesel to be more expensive to maintain. Heavy duty trucks are expensive to fix, period. And while the diesel is more expensive at the pump, my diesel gets around 16mpg when I am hauling, where the gas motor gets 10mpg. That being said, if you are only an occasional hauler with a smaller trailer the gas motor will treat you just fine.

ChocoMare
Jun. 12, 2012, 10:42 AM
Trailer (https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21868_1213299687626_2024329_n.jpg)isn't that big/heavy and we hauled well with an F-250 3/4 ton before the tranny croaked.

shakeytails
Jun. 12, 2012, 10:56 AM
I love my diesel trucks. Love the sound, the power, the longevity, and the "coolness" factor. With our new truck, I'm also amused that we're getting about 19 MPG out of something that can pull down your house. OK, so the oil changes are a bit pricey, fuel filters need changing regularly, and some parts are a little expensive. Do we need a diesel? Probably not, but I love knowing that we can haul almost anything and the truck won't care.

For as much as you're using a truck- I'm assuming you're not hauling very far- a gas truck would be just fine. I love a Chevy gas truck, I've owned a few- always reliable. However, I wouldn't buy a Chevy diesel for nothing.

shakeytails
Jun. 12, 2012, 10:59 AM
Trailer (https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/21868_1213299687626_2024329_n.jpg)isn't that big/heavy and we hauled well with an F-250 3/4 ton before the tranny croaked.

You might need a diesel if you feed that horse any more!:winkgrin:

ChocoMare
Jun. 12, 2012, 11:09 AM
Well that's what you get from a Cobb: Clydesdale/Standardbred cross. She's built like a truck!

lilitiger2
Jun. 12, 2012, 11:13 AM
Well a good truck is a good truck so its not likely you'll make a bad choice here!! Things to consider in this (IMO) are

1. Are you planning on keeping this truck a long time-5-6 years, over 100k? If so, a diesel has GREAT lasting power (as you can see on other threads on this).Ifyou plan on trading in/up in less than that, gassers have the advantage. In the short term, gas engines probably are a little cheaper to maintain, their parts are not as costly. i have not found mine particularly expensive but, much as I hate it, I have to say in the short term, more $$ than a gasser (just for upkeep). But again, the lasting power of a diesel is pretty unquestioned!

2. Towing is obviously an issue, although it sounds like for you this is not a big part of yourplanned use. Diesels have more torque so do have more power to pull big loads. If,as you say, you only pull occasionally, and not a heavy load, I would say a gasser will do you fine!

3. Don't know where you live but availability of diesel can be an issue (not out here!). When I was east this winter there were TWO stations in the whole area that sold diesel, so I had to plan carefully (always a good idea but not something I have to do out here).

4. Mileage is much better in a diesel (I get around 26mpg, not towing, and as someone said, around 16 or so pulling) as the engine is more efficient. If you're not going to be using it much, the occasional tow and that's it, it might not be an issue for you! But you will feel it at the pump when towingwith a gasser for sure!

5.Some times just plain ole preference! It sounds like you would prefer to get the gasser, so, all other things considered, I'd go with it. Much better to drive what I want to drive :) than something I just don't like!

Have fun! Drive trucks!!

ChocoMare
Jun. 12, 2012, 11:17 AM
Thanks Lili ...good info.

The other pickle we have (Mr. c'mare vs. Me) is that he doesn't want a dually (I don't care) BUT to find a used non-dually diesel 3500 is NOT easy. I've searched till my eyes have crossed. The ones I did find were the 6.0 Ford engines that all say to stay away from.

Le sigh

lilitiger2
Jun. 12, 2012, 11:21 AM
And a duramax is a good engine and as someone else noted on another thread,they've got the allison transmission, which is excellent. Duramaxs do have lower clearance which many really like (I don't) but something to consider.

lilitiger2
Jun. 12, 2012, 11:26 AM
Yes,looking can be sooo frustrating! Agree about the dually (doesn't sound like you need one!) and for sure about the Ford 6.0 (avoid).

It does seem like a gasser would work for you (but a marriage is worth saving too I guess!! :) )

Hope you find the perfect truck!!

mvp
Jun. 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
If you don't haul often, I think you are mathematically better off with a used gasser.

It's a sad day when a diesel fan like myself must make this recommendation.

wildlifer
Jun. 12, 2012, 12:42 PM
The diesel. Once a month is not "rare" hauling. Plus the gasser will eat your gas money like a starving grizzly. My diesel has been far cheaper to maintain than my previous four gas trucks and cruising on the freeway gets 22 mpg and it's 10 years old, so, yeah, easy choice for me.

We have a gas F250 at work -- suuuuuuucks. You have to fill the tank about every 7 minutes.

ChocoMare
Jun. 12, 2012, 03:14 PM
Ok, we'll stick with diesel. Again, I have no problem with it -- it's just tough to find the non-dually. Mr C'Mare is gonna have to bend on that issue, me believes :winkgrin:

rmh_rider
Jun. 12, 2012, 05:05 PM
I vote gas.

For short term use gas is less expensive. If you figure the same on maintenance, and up keep and insurance.

Diesels like to be driven alot. You could start them up and never turn them off and it would be happy.

Less driving go for gas.

That is a great deal on the gas truck you have mentioned above.

Gas doesn't have the stinky gas smell. Diesel costs BIG bucks to change the oil.

I still vote for gas.

Derby Lyn Farms
Jun. 12, 2012, 11:00 PM
You might need a diesel if you feed that horse any more!:winkgrin:

Hey she's got a nibble net:D

Guilherme
Jun. 13, 2012, 08:23 AM
I vote for the Discipline of the Yellow Pad!* :)

Write down your needs, then figure out what type of truck (class, capacity, etc.) will be required to meet them. Consider trailer weight and size; non-towing jobs that need to be done; general "running around" that needs to be done; etc.

Now compare gas and diesel total ownership costs on a per mile basis. Include the higher cost of the diesel; the higher cost of diesel fuel; the higher costs for certain diesel maintenance; if you finance the extra costs for interest on a more costly vehicle; higher insurance costs on a more costly vehicle; higher resale value of the diesel; lower fuel consuption of the diesel; etc. After you've done this look at the numbers. Las time I did it (comparing a one ton diesel to a gas one ton similarly set up) the gasser came in at about a cent or two per mile less than the diesel. I bought a diesel because I got the Deal of the Century on an '08 3500HD Duramax. If a local Ford dealer had not done a very blatant "bait and switch" with me I'd own a F350 with V-10.

Do the math. Then make the choice. :cool:

G.

*Note that you can substitute an Excel spreadsheet if you like. ;)

relocatedTXjumpr
Jun. 13, 2012, 05:39 PM
Choco, my truck is the 2500HD with the 6.0L and it hauls like a champ. Hubby uses it more than I do now to haul construction equipment and such and LOVES the way it handles a heavy load....much heavier than any fully loaded horse trailer Ive pulled with it...granted 3 of my horses equal 1 Penny, but still, lol.

Its not a bad hauler...without the trailer I have squeezed 20mpgs out of it (long trips) but normally get around 16...with trailer it drops to 10-12. And you know I live in the mountains. I would buy another one for the current amount of hauling we do.

Nipntuck
Jun. 13, 2012, 05:55 PM
If you aren't hauling that much weight, I'd go with a 3/4 ton. I have a Duramax that I haul a Hawk 2+1 with easily. It's well within the ratings, and, like you, I am not interested in a dually anyway for several reasons.

ChocoMare
Jun. 13, 2012, 08:28 PM
We want the one ton, because if I have to haul both my mares, it will be a heavy load.... the cob is 1500 lbs and the percheron is 2,000 lbs --- plus cargo. And if we're going up hills, I want that power.

lilitiger2
Jun. 13, 2012, 09:05 PM
you could just throw money to the wind :D and come out to beautiful big sky country for this baby..http://montana.craigslist.org/cto/3075191120.html

have a gorgeous trip and drive it home! you could sell the topper and still have a tricked out truck!!

relocatedTXjumpr
Jun. 13, 2012, 09:33 PM
Choco, my truck doesnt have a GN hitch, but your welcome to drive it for a day or so and see if you like the motor, etc...might give you some "real life" input.

Its just sitting here on brand new tires collecting dust.

birdsong
Jun. 13, 2012, 10:58 PM
Really like my Dodge Cummins 2500 diesel.
Its the 5.9 rated to 12,500lb. Although I'm in flat Fl I did travel out west for a time and it did well in the mountains.
Nice to know I have a motor that will last a while and power to move a house.
I always tow at least 8,000.

lilitiger2
Jun. 13, 2012, 11:11 PM
Really like my Dodge Cummins 2500 diesel.

I bet!! Great choice in trucks!!!!:D

Hunter's Rest
Jun. 13, 2012, 11:26 PM
I did the 'saving money' route when I got my first very-own truck in 1998. I 'didn't need!' a diesel so got a V10 gas.
Loved it, but by golly, my business model changed to = being a horse hauler/lots of shipping, so traded up to the same truck in a diesel (used, but low miles etc.) in 2009.
I love love love love love the diesel and WISH I"D JUST FRIGGIN' WELL GOTTEN IT in 1998 b/c I'd STILL be driving THAT ONE and it would have the legendary 7.3 engine.
That said, the one I got (2005 Ford F250 6.0 diesel engine) has been (touch wood) just dandy and have had no problems. It had 65k on it when I got is 2009 summer; now has 85k.
Not a hiccup. Though the 'water in fuel' sensor seems to be ultra-sensitive. (My hunky diesel mechanic looks into it and dumps out a tiny bit of water from the reservoir whenever it comes on, but it seems to be extra finicky that way.)
Oh, and the 6.0 barely gets 12 -13 mpg, hauling or unhitched.
But STILL wish I'd gotten it long ago.
The power and confidence (and coolness 8) factors are unequaled.

Renaissance Lady
Jun. 14, 2012, 06:59 PM
Biggest advice we were told by a dealer the last time we bought a truck. You had to drive at least 25,000 miles a year on a diesel to break even over the cost of gas powered. Since we try not to use the truck except for farm work and hauling, we opted for the gas. (F250)

lizathenag
Jun. 14, 2012, 07:05 PM
Don't forget to factor in the smile you will get everytime you fire up the diesel.

I sold my 99 gas F-250 and bought a 01 F-250 (7.3) and smile every time I start her up.

pluvinel
Jun. 14, 2012, 08:08 PM
I vote gas.

For short term use gas is less expensive. If you figure the same on maintenance, and up keep and insurance.

Diesels like to be driven alot. You could start them up and never turn them off and it would be happy.

Less driving go for gas.

That is a great deal on the gas truck you have mentioned above.

Gas doesn't have the stinky gas smell. Diesel costs BIG bucks to change the oil.

I still vote for gas.
This^^^

Maintenance is more. If you're in the north, fuel treatment, block heaters, in winter. Have had 2 gasser F250's and hauled 2 horse trailer with loaded truck on I-40 around Black Mountain no problem.

BasqueMom
Jun. 15, 2012, 03:32 AM
Chocomare, it's my understanding 3/4 ton and 1 tons often have the same
size engine....the 1 ton has more springs and stronger undercarriage, not necessarily more power.

BasqueMom
Jun. 15, 2012, 04:10 AM
Chocomare, it's my understanding 3/4 ton and 1 tons often have the same
size engine....the 1 ton has more springs and stronger undercarriage, not necessarily more power.

kalidascope
Jun. 15, 2012, 04:48 AM
... it is a more expensive truck all around (initial cost, diesel at the pump, diesel mechanic, etc.) ...
Gas costs less than diesel over there?

dani0303
Jun. 15, 2012, 04:58 AM
Gas costs less than diesel over there?

Depends on where you are. I live in oil country, Colorado. Average for diesel is $3.75 (ish) and gas is $3.65. Although, at my favorite station, diesel is $3.52 and gas is $3.54. :D

Cocomare- FWIW I would go with the diesel simply for fuel savings (diesels get better milage) and longevity. Plus I LOVE the way my baby sounds when I fire her up ;)

kalidascope
Jun. 15, 2012, 05:59 AM
Depends on where you are. I live in oil country, Colorado. Average for diesel is $3.75 (ish) and gas is $3.65. Although, at my favorite station, diesel is $3.52 and gas is $3.54. :D
Who knew!

We pay $2.14 or $2.06 for petrol (depending on what kind) and $1.45 for diesel. NZD/litre of course.

That's ... $6.36, $6.13 and $4.32 USD/gallon, if I've done the maths and currency conversions right. You guys have it good!

Chall
Jun. 15, 2012, 07:26 AM
I *think* diesel is less expensive to make and *used* to be less expensive than gas in the US, but they decided to make it more expensive via taxes.
Lili Tiger, is the ford you linked to one of the "stay away from" models, or does that waning apply only to gas models. Are the 6 liters Fords okay in diesel for the 2002 and up models?

ChocoMare
Jun. 15, 2012, 10:41 AM
Yup, diesel is higher here in the U.S. We're running about $3.75 for diesel and $3.25 for gas.

17Rider
Jun. 15, 2012, 11:07 AM
I vote diesel. ! Using a 09 GMC 2500HD gas. I have to say I dread hooking up the GN trailer.
Sure, it CAN pull it... but the constant changing/shifting gears on barely detetctable inclines.... makes me think something's gonna blow on any given trip!
We hauled across the mountains 12hr trip and it was not fun.

Now, my 06 Duramax... what a joy. You could keep your pinky toe on the pedal, never spill your coffee, and forget there were 3 horses in tow. Engine ran great when loaded, and never saw the mileage skip a beat.

Only reason we let it go ... it was a 4yr lease, just over100k, and the dealer wanted 32,000 buyout. The "new" gas truck was 47ish. But I have wanted to ditch it ever since.

lilitiger2
Jun. 15, 2012, 11:49 AM
Lili Tiger, is the ford you linked to one of the "stay away from" models, or does that waning apply only to gas models. Are the 6 liters Fords okay in diesel for the 2002 and up models?

Well it probably depends on whom you are asking! Its s 6.4, which ford came out with SUPPOSEDLY to correct the problems with the 6.0. Is it better?? Unless someone is a diehard Ford fan, I think the general consensus is no, there are still a ton of problems, although probably better than the 6.0. That certainly does not mean EVERY SINGLE truck is problematic (as you can read here). I bet you will find, though, that even among Ford enthusiasts, the 7.3 is still the better truck.

Mechanics (no, not every single one) will likely say that recent Fords are NOT easy to work on!! At the end of the day, I think many will say that Fords are probably more comfortable and have nicer interiors. But Dodges (cummins) and Chevys (Duramax) are cheaper to maintain and can beat the pants off Ford in the mileage department. They have their own problems (as you can read here) as well, though (but, IMO, still cheaper and more reliable).

Bear in mind, I am biased!!! I am married to a mechanic who works on a fleet of gov't vehicles so dinner/breakfast conversation with him and his buddies is all about engines and wrenching. I obviously hear a LOT about his experiences! If I was married to a Ford mechanic :eek: I might have a different opinion!!!! Just sayin' .....:lol:

ChocoMare
Jun. 15, 2012, 02:13 PM
Ok Lilitiger... pose this question to your hubby for me: If you had to choose between a 2005 to 2010 Dodge 3500 and a Chevy 3500 extended cab dually, which one would you buy? :winkgrin:

lilitiger2
Jun. 15, 2012, 03:10 PM
Just checked in with my husband who is driving back from a training, and before we were cut off, he (and his co-worker) agreed that if they were both dually's, so apples to apples, they'd take the duramax/allison transmission over the dodge. I think in 2006 Dodge started with a new (complicated, of course) fuel rail system that he feels, while good, is probably not as great as their earlier system, or at least all the bugs had not been worked out in the years you mentioned and that the Chevy would be preferable, all other things being more or less equal.

However, if the dodge is NOT a dually, is a little like comparing apples to pineapples,:) as it depends (and I can't remember what you said about it!!) what your plans for the truck are.

Duallys are a true PITA to run around town in, park at the grocery store and so forth. So, if this truck is also your "run around, get me to work and the bank" truck, go with the Dodge.

If this is your pulling only truck, and you have another run around, go to town car, go with the dually as running down the road towing, you'll probably like it a lot! And you will be one smokin' hot mama in your big a$$ truck:D

good question!!

ChocoMare
Jun. 15, 2012, 03:14 PM
Now that answer I can take to the bank... and Mr. ChocoMare :lol:

3500 Chevy Dually it is. Hmmmm, wonder if they even exist tho in extended cab and NOT Crew/Quad Cab?

lilitiger2
Jun. 15, 2012, 03:26 PM
Well have fun and check out the dually, the "other things being even" though, for me also means that I enjoy driving it. My husband looks at things from the mechanical viewpoint, important, but not the ONLY viewpoint!! He had an old 1997 extended cab, longbed, manual shift 2500 dodge that he loved and I hated. Might as well have been driving a dump truck (which he also enjoys!!). Pure misery to drive. just so you know the source of the opinion!!! :D

tcgelec
Jun. 15, 2012, 09:36 PM
I drive a 2003 Ford Excursion with the 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel. I get 18-20 mpg unhitched/hwy and 15-16 mph hauling / hwy. No problems with the 6.0L in 9 years and 140,000 miles.I used to haul my daughters horses halfway across the country twice a year for 4 years when she went to horsey college. I would not have a gas motor for that task.
Now I rarely haul more than an hour away on flat Long Island, so I might consider gas for my next one but the gas F250 (which is the same chassis as the Excursion) gets MUCH worse mileage than the PSD so the only savings is in initial cost. I haven't found maintenance costs to be high except of course the $100 oil changes.
I second the cool factor when starting up the diesel. 9 years later, it still makes me smile...

ChocoMare
Jun. 15, 2012, 09:50 PM
Yeah, there sure is some "grunt factor" inherent in a big diesel a la Tim Allen. LOL