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MBS
Jan. 29, 2000, 11:42 AM
Ok I just read Emmetts posts so I will have to rack my brain on this one but Lets start with Karen with Micheal Matz and Jet Run.
Dana Goodwagon with Chase the Clouds .
Cheryl Davis with Leslie again. OK I will have to think further so please add to this post. THERE WOULD BE NO DREAM TEAM WITHOUT THESE PEOPLE

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MBS
Jan. 29, 2000, 11:42 AM
Ok I just read Emmetts posts so I will have to rack my brain on this one but Lets start with Karen with Micheal Matz and Jet Run.
Dana Goodwagon with Chase the Clouds .
Cheryl Davis with Leslie again. OK I will have to think further so please add to this post. THERE WOULD BE NO DREAM TEAM WITHOUT THESE PEOPLE

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Ruby G. Weber
Jan. 29, 2000, 12:18 PM
Idle Dice- Luke Ragland
Calypso- Syd Eustace
Miss Kitty- Noel Solomon
Balbuco- Edward "Turkey" Twyman
Jet Run- Karen Golding
Sinjon- Dennis Haley

Gotta have alternates for this team too!!

buryinghill2
Jan. 29, 2000, 12:20 PM
Hey MB, is this you from the old days at Fairfield?! Let me know your address and I will E mail you directly!
Dana

buryinghill2
Jan. 29, 2000, 12:22 PM
Sue also took care of Calypso, after Syd had left. Laurie Pitts took care of Balbuco for years..

MBS
Jan. 29, 2000, 12:32 PM
HEY DANA, Yes it is me. Notice I didn't include myself in the Dream Team Grooms because after florida I would leave and say I was NEVER doing this again then I would be back again by the Hampton Classic and ready to go to Florida again. EMAIL ME- DOLCEVITA1999@aol.com

Jaysee
Jan. 29, 2000, 01:13 PM
OK, we can't possibly forget about Pancho Lopez can we??? I am being whisked right back to the 80's..... Does anyone know if Noel has an email address? Is Syd still at Delaware Equine? Is Denis in CA or back on the East coast now? How about Cheryl? Geez, this could be the "Where Are They Now?...Finding Long Lost Grooms" thread.... Hahaha!!! This is fun!!!

Jaysee
Jan. 29, 2000, 01:17 PM
Anyone know whatever happened to Hambone? (dunno why I was thinking about that!!!)

buryinghill2
Jan. 29, 2000, 02:42 PM
Cheryl is in Sth. Pines, has her own small farm. I haven't thought about Hambone in ages. Last I heard he was somewhere in Georgia, but that was years ago. He really disappeared from show life. I wonder if Caroline Clark would know where he is... Timmy Foster might also know.

Fortune Hunter
Jan. 30, 2000, 03:03 PM
I just wanted this post to get back up to the top again. I don't know any grooms personally but I think this is just as important as the Olympic Dream Team. Come on Ken Kraus you need to add to this one.

Jaysee
Jan. 30, 2000, 03:24 PM
Thumbs up to Fortune Hunter!!! Being a groom is a pretty thankless job (most of the time) and without grooms, most of those horses wouldn't make it to the ring (in 1 piece!!!!) let alone to the next Grand Prix!! Who else do you see on a Sunday evening after the class all covered in poultice while the riders and trainers hang out and enjoy the glory? THE GROOM!! But, who else does that special horse recognize when it's time for night check, or before the sun comes up (over tent city...) THE GROOM!!!!

Gnarly
Jan. 31, 2000, 09:28 AM
Flashbacks...
Ronnie Silcox - Snowbound 1968. deceased.
Syd Eustace (at Windrush! with Lyps). Syd battled breat cancer.
SID Hoblit (SHE is the one who worked for Delaware Equine). She was one of Dello Joio's grooms.
Moira Caffarey (I Love You). deceased. Wendy Waters Matthews! Blast from the past. What about Michael Snyder and Allegro, Johnny's Pocket... And who could forget his brother David and Albany. Great grooms all. Peter Rohr still works for Martha Wachtel Jolicoeur. Dana Goedewaagen and April Rullah (are they still out longeing?). I'll think of more.

Gnarly
Jan. 31, 2000, 11:26 AM
ABBY- "Sue" (last name I forgot) works for John Madden now. She took care of Calypso at Stillmeadow, right?

What ever happened to Stillmeadow?

buryinghill2
Jan. 31, 2000, 02:34 PM
Ten years after I took the tack off April Rullah for the last time at New York, Ed Andrews gave her back to me! I had not seen her in all that time. The day she arrived in Mass. was a thrilling one for me, and I put tack on her and took her for a short walk. It was an emotional day....
I enjoyed having her for about a year, she was in foal to Truck Driving Man when she colicked and died. Broke my heart....
Dana

buryinghill2
Jan. 31, 2000, 02:47 PM
Martha Bowen, where are you? Possibly Fla.?

wtywmn4
Jan. 31, 2000, 04:01 PM
This is a great idea!!! Come on Ken, we know you know many of these people... Lisa Baldesarri (sorry Lisa for sp?) wonderful lady and has been around for a long time.......

Grooms are the people we should get down on our knees and thank, daily!

Gnarly
Jan. 31, 2000, 04:05 PM
Abby- Martha Bowen last seem working for Gaby Salick. 2 (3?) grey horses at indoors - one a stallion and one a mare. Poor Martha!

Gnarly
Jan. 31, 2000, 04:14 PM
Anybody seen these folks lately???:
"Cocoa" - Acres Wild
Barn manager from Acres Wild? when Jamie Mann was there(name escapes me)
Bobby D. - Fairfield?
Kate Curtis - Fairfield
Shep - Nimrod? Norfield?
Any of the Nimrod/Norfield crew?
Dennis and Betsy - (Harry Gill)
Laurie Pitts?

Jaysee
Jan. 31, 2000, 04:33 PM
Cindy, I saw Betsy at Wellington I think it was 97. All I could do was say HI as I was on my way to the ring, and that was the last I saw of her. Dennis was not with her. She was talking to Noel at the time. Track down Noel, and she may know. I also heard that Cocoa was managing a barn (maybe in Tampa or Clearwater) and was not with Gail anymore. That also was a couple of years ago. Last I heard of Shep was that he ran into trouble when he was at Mason's in Newport, and his health was really failing. Don't know many details.

Maggie
Jan. 31, 2000, 04:41 PM
Great reading. Anybody have what-ever-happened info for:
Marie-Laure that worked for George Lindemann, Jr. before his demise.
All the Hunterdon crew? The guy who took care of The Jones Boy.
Andy M (Plain Jain, Alegro)
WILLA WELLER? (Livius)
T-bird?
Anybody remember Bernie Traurig's grooms?

I'm glad I was sent this link.

Jaysee
Jan. 31, 2000, 04:50 PM
I believe Marie Laure is back in France although I may be wrong. Pancho Lopez works for Elise Haas in California (Katie is her trainer). Willa was living in NJ making brownies (Yettanother Brownie) but I don't know if she's still baking! (remember her dog Yetta?)

Wow, all these names-!! I am having a hard time remembering faces to go with them!

snickers
Jan. 31, 2000, 05:07 PM
Andy M, aka Kanga is alive and well.

E-Mail if you want more info.

buryinghill2
Jan. 31, 2000, 05:24 PM
Bobby Donaher split to Canada with his best friends(Cocoa) wife. That was a long time ago. Either Bruce or John-boy would probably know what he's doing. I wonder what ever happened to his girlfriend while at Fairfield, Mary-Carey(sp.?)
Bernie's grooms at the time were T. and D.
T. is still around.
Anyone know about Eve from Norfield?

buryinghill2
Jan. 31, 2000, 05:28 PM
Ben Tindley was the barn manager at Acres when Jamie was there. He was on our trip to Birmingham England for the world cup finals the year it snowed like crazy over there.
Kate Curtis married Don Madigan, he drives for WJ Barry Horse Trans. She has her own farm in Litchfield Ct. does layups, retirees, etc.

Jaysee
Jan. 31, 2000, 05:52 PM
I just heard that Ben is now a vet? Is that correct? Did Cocoa or Ben marry Tinker? I am so confused!! NEIL! I need another drink!!!!

MBS
Jan. 31, 2000, 05:52 PM
This is like our own private Thread. 4 of us definately worked on the road at the same time. I don't know what happend to Mary Carey Baldwin but I sure don't miss her dog Casper . The first year Bobbie D worked for us he knew nothing about horses and he took a horse to the jumper ring for Leslie with NO Stirrups on the saddle. Also he made a "wicked " batch of brownies that had me seeing rainbows in the hunter ring just as all the tents in Palm Beach were blowing down. I couldn't stop laughing as I watched one of the most expensive jr horses (supernatural) go running loose and Bruce Burr Freaking out that the porto potty tipped over in front of His master piece of a Tack room . Oh those were the days!!!!

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buryinghill2
Jan. 31, 2000, 06:00 PM
Ben married Tinker Harris. I think they both went off to vet school but neither made it through. They might have a farm in Fla.
MB- what memories! Those brownies had Leslie and I in the tack room in hysterics, remember? The show had been called off for the day.
The old Nimrod was a wild barn. Hambone, Shep, Timmy Foster, etc. What a crew. They would party all night, then arrive, feed the horses and knock the shavings off their blankets, then paint all their feet! This way, the clients would think they had been there for hours! Or so the gang believed. Vodka and lemonade in the water cooler at the Ox Ridge Horse Show... None of this was my style, but they had fun!

Jan. 31, 2000, 06:07 PM
Wow! Bobby D. and Patty divorced- gosh mid eighties maybe?- Patty is training in Canada with their two little girls. They come to show at FFLD each August.

Last I knew of the Cellular crew, Jean-Luc was with Micheal Matz, Marie-Laure with Centennial Farm, but I heard she had gone back to France. Colleen from Cellular married Dan from FFLD, and Mike Rooks was running Barry's VA horse transportation office. Juan is with Salamander Farm in VA, I think. Does anyone know what Rebecca, Stacy, Bruce, Savador, Martin, or Susan are up to?

I sent one of my horse's to lay-up with Kate and Don last winter in Litchfield. They're doing well and run a great farm!

Santos from Norfield is still there working for the new owners. Melvin from Norfield worked for Katherine and Paul Heller, and is now working at a farm in NY- I can't remember the name- for Danny Azzaria's (Pony Express) wife. Rose (from Norfield) manages Steve Heinecke's barn Huntfield, which is at the old Norfield.

Jan. 31, 2000, 06:12 PM
If you're asking after Betsy Stein (now Medinger) from Nimrod then Norfield, she is happily married working with the Pegusus program and keeping many old-timers from Norfield happy in their retirement. She is a really neat lady!

Jaysee
Jan. 31, 2000, 06:25 PM
How about the year they moved the Lake Placid show because of the Wally Byam camper convention??? It was cold and someone was making hot toddies in a muck basket using a water heater.. I do not remember who that was... Might have been Shep...!!!

buryinghill2
Jan. 31, 2000, 06:30 PM
Hey Alexandra, you are obviously in touch with the Norfield gang, what is Kara Lauinger doing? I'm so glad to here Betsy Stein in well. She was always a nice person...

MBS
Jan. 31, 2000, 06:49 PM
Iwas keeping my horse at Norfeild a few years back I believe Kara just got Married again and is out of the horses completely correct me if I am wrong Alexandra

REMEMBER THE NIMROD MOBILE. I think it was a chevy nova that they painted with house paint and brushes blue and tan and put a hunt horn on it. I remember first seeing it at the south florida fair grounds.

ok it seems to be the same 4 or 5 of us adding to this post. Maybe we should have a reunion. Or this is fun as long as Erin from the Chronicle doesn't mind

Jan. 31, 2000, 07:02 PM
Kara just remarried last summer. She's living on Long Island with her son from her last marriage and her new husband. One or two of her former grand prix horses are living with Kate and Don in Litchfield. She's doing quite well and is very happy!

Betsy is doing great! She has a baby hunter in training with Steve, ans she has Emryn Tumbleweed and Windridge Haagen-Daz from FFLD in her Pegasus program. Small world!

Jan. 31, 2000, 07:05 PM
Sorry, MB! I din't see your post before my last one. You are right about Kara!

Portia
Jan. 31, 2000, 07:05 PM
Sticking my nose in -- I don't know any of the folks you're talking about, but it's fun "eavesdropping," and it's nice to see that there's a nice fraternity (or is it sorority?) among the grooms. And I agree they deserve huge amounts of credit. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tower One
Jan. 31, 2000, 11:08 PM
OK, OK, OK!!! I'm just doing a low tech home page, and trying to actually do my real job (announcing at WEF) but I talked with MB the other day and said, yes, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA!!! I'm finishing up the DREAM TEAM Email poll of Towerheads, I've got the Hunter/Rider poll for WCHR week, but for sure this is a great thread, and i will do the poll. If someone on this thread would take up the task, i could publish the results on the page earlier.....how about it posters???? No one cares more about the grooms than I do, even though Abby is still angry with me....but many barn calls are vital, as are any upcoming expected changes etc. I also, enjoy every year, the Groom's Class at Ox Ridge where over the past 8 years have raised close to 122, 000 for grooms. The past four years, the Groom's Class was the 2nd highest paying event, to the grand prix, at Ox Ridge. So, I'm on it one way or another.....thanks for another great thread.....i stop here every night. You guys are the bacvkbone of this industry, taking care of millions and millions of dollars worth of equine athelets, for what appears to me to be very low wages. Ken Kraus.

farmgate
Feb. 1, 2000, 12:44 AM
Okay guys, set the record straight. I can't remember the year, but do you remember the streaker at Washington? He galloped into the ring, bareback,[ouch!] jumped the outside line of jumps, and galloped back out again. Identity unknown, as he had a pumpkin on his head.[well, it was Halloween after all] Rumor has it, he was Bernie Traurig's groom who had accepted a bet. Who was that masked man?

Jaycee, was Willa's dog, Yetta, a Jack Russell given to her by the Currys? If so, it originally came from me as a puppy.

How 'bout Dave. Groomed forever for Jeannie Larkin, then Top Brass, then Jack. Where is he?

Jaysee
Feb. 1, 2000, 02:03 AM
Farmgate!!! Yes Yetta was a Jack Russell, broken coated - but I don't know of her origins...

I remember hearing about the streaker, but I had a horse in the class so I missed it (imagine THAT!!) It was during that goofy int'l class at Washington right?

farmgate
Feb. 1, 2000, 04:11 AM
Jaysee, not only broken coated, but hair like the abominable snowman! Especially around the neck. Thus the name Yetta. The Currys of TN purchased the puppy from me for Willa when she was grooming for them. They thought the world of her. Yetta was out of my bitch, Arabella by my friends imported English dog, Kinlet. Gosh, I haven't heard that name for years but it's a hard one to forget. Thanks for bringing back some great memories.

And speaking of great memories, well if you missed the streaker, I sure hope you caught the Appointments class at that same show. Everyone was turned out to the nines, sandwich kits, folded gloves, checker boards wet brushed in, and the riders[the ones with a sense of humor] wore Halloween masks! Now that was a FUN horse show!

MBS
Feb. 1, 2000, 08:02 AM
SPEAKING OF WAGES-- Last year I decided to work in Florida. I needed a break from the corporate or Fundraising or Resturant world I had been in for the 14 years. When I worked for Fairfield in 1979-1981 we were making about 350 -400 a week.
18 YEARS later the salary was the same. BUT THE HORSES and everything else COST MORE . GO FIGURE

Feb. 1, 2000, 08:08 AM
I tried to tell some juniors in our barn about that streaker incident recently, and they didn't believe it! Horse shows are so boring now! I was always told that the "prankster" was Richard Zimmerman...true? false?

AM
Feb. 1, 2000, 08:16 AM
I was in the audience the night the streaker appeared at the Washington International. He was wearing jodphur boots in addition to the pumpkin on his head. The Chronicle reported the next week that it was Charlie Weaver and that he collected $700 or $800 from the riders who dared him to do it.

Gnarly
Feb. 1, 2000, 09:04 AM
Tips on winning the grooms class at OxRidge-
(Sorry I can't remember when I did, but I did judge it as well)
1. Feed the horse properly -99% of the trick
2. Groom the horse properly -less baths! more curry comb!
3. Keep them covered-that Florida sun burns them too - careful with long turnouts
4. Proper worming, vaccinations, shoeing...
5. Keep them fit.
6. Lots of carrots, love and kisses
7. When you get to OxRidge all you should need is a regular grooming and a quick buff of your tack.
8. Tack up the horse correctly. You CAN'T imagine how many grooms have the tack on wrong.

MBS
Feb. 1, 2000, 10:34 AM
CINDY PARKER we need more info on you we (Abby and I ) can't figure out how we know you. I worked with Dana and I didn't even spell her last night correctly and you did. EMAIL me DOLCEVITA1999@AOL.COM

Gnarly
Feb. 1, 2000, 10:58 AM
Dana's name was in an article I kept from years ago, maybe early 1980 era. Practical Horseman (sorry to the chroncile). She was braiding. I still show it to my students. No mystery.
Nice to get answers as to where people are. It is not nice to know few are still in the grooming business. No money, no glory and nobody cares.

Ruby G. Weber
Feb. 1, 2000, 11:04 AM
O.K. Here's the REAL scoop on the Washingtion streaker.

It happened after the jumping competition of the regular conformation hunter appointments. Andy(with work boots on his feet and a pumpkin on his head) rode a grey jumper donated for the event by a game trainer.

The original plan was to gallop around the ring but when Andy got in the ring, with all the conformation horses lined up for conformation and appointments, he had no choice but to jump around the ring.

Andy's horse (Stocking Stuffer) was in the line up with Charlie Weaver aboard.

The whole thing was expertly planned. Andy was escorted out of the men's room wrapped in a cooler. The grey horse awaited at the in gate. The person who gave him a leg up on the horse instructed Seaweed (who was the gate person even way back then), to open the gate and the rest is history.

Poor "H" (Howard LeBove was the started, now deceased), had no idea what was up.

The whole thing was over before the horses came out of the ring with their ribbons and Andy was there to catch his horse.

Those are the facts of one of the funniest things that ever happened at a horse show.

And yes, some of the riders did wear masks. I know RJ wore a Nixon mask, I believe Leslie also participated in costume.

Now if anyone can remember who won, they would be the trivia winner.

And speaking of Washington, does anyone remember Kim Song's retirement party?

Ruby G. Weber
Feb. 1, 2000, 11:15 AM
After consultation with another old timer, we conclude the prank took place in 1973ish.

I know someone who has a picture of Andy jumping around the ring that night in his birthday suit.

Maggie
Feb. 1, 2000, 12:27 PM
The Devon Horse Show has a photo of the WIHS streaker. I believe it is not easy accessible to the public, but I know it is there. WIHS memories-The armory!Galoubet jumping out of his skin!Junior hunter breaking leg - Rumors? Insilco! Having a horse "on the Team" was a big thing. There used to be arabians and morgans too. The Bud Hitch going upside down. The costume class was priceless. Too bad it got perverted.

Jaysee
Feb. 1, 2000, 01:09 PM
Does anyone remember when Michael Sasso took Dillon to a nightclub during New York? Was that a rumor or was it actually true... something about the horse on the elevator???

farmgate
Feb. 1, 2000, 01:16 PM
Emmet, Thanks for not only the answer to my question but the great behind-the-scenes visuals. I guess Andy set the standard for grooms as far as most memoriable goes. But also, Stocking Stuffer was always turned out to perfection. [He was Regular Conformation Hunter Champion at Washington in '74-'75 and again in '77-'78.]

Who has that photo? Let's get them to post it! Just for old-times sake.

Could be wrong, but was the winner, Automation? Or was it Sir Thompson?

MBS
Feb. 1, 2000, 01:22 PM
Stocking Stuffer showing and winning consistantly in the Regulars for all those years!!!!!!The old time grooms also must have known how to keep their horses sound longer or maybe the horse shows today are just different but it seems you just don't see the same horses sound and winning for too many years.

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Feb. 1, 2000, 03:09 PM
I was only 16 at the time of the "streaker" incident...but for all these years I've thought it was Richard Zimmerman! Does anyone know the whereabouts of Joan who groomed for Cismont? Atlanta? Perhaps we need to start a thread for old horse show memorabilia - the drop bank in the Upperville hunter classic?

Tower One
Feb. 1, 2000, 09:55 PM
Cindy, thank you for that post, having announced that class for the last 13 year's I've always wondered how they could pick the winner, to me, while there were some mistakes by grooms(tack not adjusted, something dirty, whatever) again in my opinion, there were so many wonderfully turned out animals the judges were pinning the best of the best, without much difference between them. Agree? Disagree? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cindy Parker:
Tips on winning the grooms class at OxRidge-
(Sorry I can't remember when I did, but I did judge it as well)
1. Feed the horse properly -99% of the trick
2. Groom the horse properly -less baths! more curry comb!
3. Keep them covered-that Florida sun burns them too - careful with long turnouts
4. Proper worming, vaccinations, shoeing...
5. Keep them fit.
6. Lots of carrots, love and kisses
7. When you get to OxRidge all you should need is a regular grooming and a quick buff of your tack.
8. Tack up the horse correctly. You CAN'T imagine how many grooms have the tack on wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tower One
Feb. 1, 2000, 10:01 PM
Wow, I'm really loving this thread...the old armory at Washington, does anyone remember the jailbreak from the prison across the street? 3 or 4 escapee's with police following , right on thru and right on out, or when Nixon was going to attend the President's Cup, John Ammerman had set up his electronic timers, and DISPLAY clocks. Turns out one of the clocks was directly under the spot where Nixon would sit, and the secret service on the pre visit search freaked when they saw it. J.A. says"....hey take it apart if you want..it's just a clock..." A secret serviceman replied..."NO, YOU'LL TAKE IT APART< NOW!>>>" How about the filming of THE HORSE WITH THE FLYING TAIL??? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maggie:
The Devon Horse Show has a photo of the WIHS streaker. I believe it is not easy accessible to the public, but I know it is there. WIHS memories-The armory!Galoubet jumping out of his skin!Junior hunter breaking leg - Rumors? Insilco! Having a horse "on the Team" was a big thing. There used to be arabians and morgans too. The Bud Hitch going upside down. The costume class was priceless. Too bad it got perverted.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tower One
Feb. 1, 2000, 10:46 PM
back again, let me know if i become annoying, on this thread, or anytime for that matter, anyway I had an idea I'd like to run past you .... could someone help me out by conducting a poll for me? Or keeping track of it right here ..... I am under the impression that a majority of grooms are underpaid, and sometimes poorly housed and not covered medically? Am I correct in this assumption? Or,am I way off base. You are making a good wage, and have good living conditions etc. any ideas? I'd love to get the average wage of say 50 grooms from a variety of stables, and what benefits they might receive, their housing situation is? Travel situation? Avg hours worked per day? Wage? Aninimity, did I spell that right is important......but the info would make for a wonderful section one week on the homepage. THOUGHTS?

Gnarly
Feb. 2, 2000, 04:22 PM
KK- Many folks would watched the ORHC grooms class and never understood the results... I was always amazed how often the really beautifully turned-out horses had their tack on wrong - or simple stuff that meant missing out on thousands of dollars! Basic stuff. Loose straps, no billet guards (or not used), ripped rubber on girths, 3-fold girth on backwards(!), missing keepers, stirrups hanging down (dangerous!), dirty noses, dirty tail docks, too much "show sheen", dirty ears, the list is endless. And, if you have to do a big production just to get to the grooms class, you are probably a crappy groom.
I remember lots of the best never got to do the grooms class, because they had the first class and their job was more important! Or... we had one in the whirlpool, or in "the boots", or on the longe line, or it simply needed extra care in the morning. And of course, the BEST wouldn't be at ORHC anyhow - they would be home with the lay-ups who need the best care of all. Or the broodmares, or the stallions, or the weanlings... No time to be worrying about some grooms class when there's REAL horse care to do---
Gotta go. I have one ultra-sound to do and a hand-walk....

buryinghill2
Feb. 2, 2000, 05:45 PM
Year after year people asked me why I didn't do the grooms class at Ox Ridge, especially when I had French Leave. One year I had him Jimmy Lee judged, everyone was amazed I didn't do it, they felt I had it in a walk. Jimmy's favorite horse, owners, etc. My answer was ALWAYS the same, "I DON'T HAVE TIME!" At the time I was one of the few remaining grooms that did their own braiding, always had 3 or 4 showing that morning. There was just no way... To bad, I always wanted to do it.

buryinghill2
Feb. 6, 2000, 09:47 AM
Does anyone know what Mary and Joe are doing? The last year I was in Fla. they were working for Paul, whose last name I can't begin to spell. He rides with Leslie. I have a feeling you guys are on line. Let us know where you are!

MBS
Feb. 6, 2000, 11:07 AM
Joe works for Dandy products at least he did last year in Florida. I talked to him then..

TequilaSun
Feb. 6, 2000, 07:58 PM
What do you mean by "Dream Team Grooms?"

Anne
Feb. 6, 2000, 09:31 PM
TequilaSun, the horses and grooms mentioned at the beginning of this thread evolved from the "Olympic Dream Teams" thread which you will find elsewhere. Just look at the list and you'll see why this thread is called "Dream Team Grooms".

To echo Portia, I haven't always known exactly who's being discussed in this thread, but it has been a lovely addition!

huntcaps@aol.com
Feb. 6, 2000, 09:38 PM
Some answers here. First Kara Lauinger was re-married, had another boy, and unfortunately is divorced the second time. Not involved with horses in any way. Santos of Norfield, now red gate farm origanilly worked in Michigan and Chicago with Juan Montano, great groom now working for Boggs Hill, saw him in Florida. What about Mindy from Acres Wild Farm? What was her husbands name?Speaking of good grooms, there are many who have now made it in the trainer ranks, and are doing very well, which ones can you remember, and do you dare tell?

huntcaps@aol.com
Feb. 6, 2000, 09:47 PM
Streaker was NOT a Zimmerman. I have a picture on my wall of the guy. His name was Johnathan, rode a grey horse that had been stopping all week in the juniors, and the fences were still set from the working, 4' rode over them bareback!!! OUCH. I think David Distler lost his job over the streaking incident, guess some people thought it was less funny than others.:0

buryinghill2
Feb. 7, 2000, 07:28 AM
Why not dare tell? Twenty or more years ago we were in Fla. with no help, lots of horses! Frank Madden said his brother would like to come down, but had never been around horses at all and knew nothing. We said send him down, we figured he could walk a hot horse or fill water buckets. I taught John Madden how to put a halter on and muck a stall....

buryinghill2
Feb. 7, 2000, 10:13 AM
I think Mindy was married to Felix...

Maggie
Feb. 7, 2000, 02:55 PM
Wow you guys have great memories

It would be interesting to find out the location for missing-in-action from the show hunter/jumper world.

Thank you to those who have brought back some memories.

Jaysee
Feb. 7, 2000, 04:08 PM
Mindy and Felix divorced years ago, and she is on the west coast at Indio right now. He is remarried (I think) and living in England shoeing horses.

Remember when Missy Clark was an amateur? And Helen Varble was grooming for the Curreys... And Tom Wright had just started on the east coast as an assistant rider at Deeridge...

Tower One
Feb. 7, 2000, 11:34 PM
Did you know? BILLY GLASS, top show manager got his start, rubbing horses at Hounds Hill in Gates Mills, Ohio? The trainer was D. Jerry Baker, now deceased, and the rider? Non other than MICHAEL MATZ.

Scoutie
Feb. 15, 2000, 09:32 AM
Ken Kraus, you mentioned the filming of the "Horse with the Flying Tail" in your 02-01-2000 post. I have been trying to locate a video copy of this 1961 Larry Lansburgh/ George Fenneman (Disney) film without success. Can anyone come up with any info on the current availability of this film? Or how to make a request to Disney that it be made available? Does anyone remember the filming of it?

Tower One
Feb. 15, 2000, 09:42 AM
Well, Scoutie, I was the announcer at Washington the year they filmed the footage there, using Hugh Wiley and Nautical, and Kathy Kusner with Untouchable, then editing as Walt Disney does...don't even remember who starred in the movie.....but Walt Disney is Go.com, go network is ABC, ESPN, DISNEY etc...maybe they can help? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scoutie:
Ken Kraus, you mentioned the filming of the "Horse with the Flying Tail" in your 02-01-2000 post. I have been trying to locate a video copy of this 1961 Larry Lansburgh/ George Fenneman (Disney) film without success. Can anyone come up with any info on the current availability of this film? Or how to make a request to Disney that it be made available? Does anyone remember the filming of it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scoutie
Feb. 16, 2000, 05:54 PM
Thank you Kenneth Kraus for your reply. I have tried the Disney Web site and a few Web Searches without success. If I can locate the proper personel in the right department at Disney and the film is out of print, then I may consider rallying some support to get it rereleased. If nothing else, it would be nice if the National Sporting Library or other horse show archive could keep a copy on file as part of Hugh Wiley's history. It is harder (for me) to do a search on a film than printed literature, so it may take some time. Anyhow, I know this is off the topic, but am considering starting a thread on horse related books and film. Excuse me for being so ignorant, but how long have you been announcing? It would seem that you must have quite an inventory of annecdotes re. "recent" show jumping history. Sounds like good book material.

Tower One
Feb. 16, 2000, 08:34 PM
Scoutie, I've been announcing on and off for over 30 years! Plus some side adventures in between gigs, but a book???? ME???? Can we get rich? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scoutie:
Thank you Kenneth Kraus for your reply. I have tried the Disney Web site and a few Web Searches without success. If I can locate the proper personel in the right department at Disney and the film is out of print, then I may consider rallying some support to get it rereleased. If nothing else, it would be nice if the National Sporting Library or other horse show archive could keep a copy on file as part of Hugh Wiley's history. It is harder (for me) to do a search on a film than printed literature, so it may take some time. Anyhow, I know this is off the topic, but am considering starting a thread on horse related books and film. Excuse me for being so ignorant, but how long have you been announcing? It would seem that you must have quite an inventory of annecdotes re. "recent" show jumping history. Sounds like good book material.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scoutie
Feb. 17, 2000, 07:52 AM
Kenneth Kraus, Anything is possible! It's my understanding that when Walter Farley wrote the Black Stallion, he was a freshman at Columbia University and sent the manuscript off as a lark. Of course the series was a big hit, but when Francis Ford Coppolla made it into a movie, and The Black Stallion book was rereleased (big time!), Walter Farley asked if he could rewrite it, because it was so poorly written. If you are familiar with his books, the writing did improve enourmously. Anyhow, I think you've got a lot of material and some options to consider. Non-fiction would be great and add to the printed history of show jumping. Fiction would allow you to "change the names to protect the innocent" or not so innocent! You never know! Don't rule out the possibility of a best seller!

Scoutie
Feb. 17, 2000, 08:10 AM
Kenneth Kraus, P.S. Someone was nice enough to reopen the existing "Books" thread. Why don't you reply there, since we are off the topic of this thread. Also you could get some other feedback.

hilltop
Feb. 17, 2000, 06:34 PM
I have stoped by this post now and then and I think it's great! The grooms that have been talked about are all top notch. I also agree that without them there is no dream team at all. I have noticed though that one name is missing, Lee MicKeaver. I assume that his name is missing because he works for MW, but no matter what you may think about MW his groom Lee is one of the best that ever has done the job. His skills are second to none. I believe if you asked any one on the GP circut, even the people who don't like MW they would tell you the his groom is the best there is and they would do anything to hire him. Unfortunatly for the other riders Lee seems to be very loyal to MW and does not seem to be going anywere. I think Lee is near the top of the all time list if not at the top. Wish I could have someone like him on my side!

thecowboyway
Feb. 17, 2000, 07:33 PM
coco reilly is alive and well and working for Marilla Vanbeuren this winter.

RZ
Feb. 18, 2000, 02:28 PM
Kenny,
Well, even if a book doesn't make you "rich" per se it could sure add a hefty dose of extra income if the book is produced and marketed well, to the h/j niche and beyond (if at all relevant). Anyway, if you decide to pursue this, I'm an editor and would be tickled to be involved, (the book would benefit from a horse person editor rather than a general one) plus I know a major publishing agent in NY who might be interested (she'd want to see a proposal first, of course). Anyway, just more food for thought! ;-)

Scoutie
Feb. 18, 2000, 06:53 PM
Bravo RZ!! You see Ken Kraus, you never know!
Hope it works out for both of you and best of luck!

buryinghill2
Feb. 26, 2000, 08:56 PM
Hey I just read on Ken's page that Coco had been kicked badly and had just come out of a coma. From someone who groomed for over twenty years, I hope he has insurance. In all my years grooming, I never worked for anyone that provided insurance for me. I hope all you folks out there grooming now are smarter than I was. Make sure you get health insurance, believe me, if they are playing with horses they can afford insurance for you!
Anyway, my thoughts are with Coco tonight. Ken, please keep us posted on anything you hear about how he is doing...

Duffy
Feb. 27, 2000, 02:37 PM
Ken - I think a book with your knowledge would be extremely entertaining, to say the least. I just spoke with a pony rider and mother down at Palm Beach for this first time. They had me a stitches with their stories from just this year. I had told her to keep a journal and we would at least type it up and distribute it among friends. I think people that go to the big shows as well as even non-showing horse people would enjoy it.

Duffy
Feb. 27, 2000, 02:41 PM
Sorry - I got off the subject of this post in my previous post-just got excited about the book idea . .Good point about Health Insurance - I agree with you, Abby! As far as grooms are concerned, Clem's the best I know.

Tower One
Feb. 28, 2000, 01:28 AM
Abby, I'll do may best to keep you updated. The accident happened on Friday, and my prayers are with Coco, and his wife, Ann! I think I said this a couple of times earlier in this thread...if not, here it is, and if so, it's still a question that needs to be addressed. How can grooms and caretakers of equines, get the benefits they deserve!!! Coco is a great example. How could anyone who has put what Coco's put, into the business, and then have to QUESTION about his health care???? My God, grooms handle millions of dollars worth of horses! And they are paid a pittance! YES, I know there are many GOOD secure jobs out there, but there are still grooms living in trucks, or 6 to a motel room! Health care? Are you kidding? Sorry, I had to vent.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abby:
Hey I just read on Ken's page that Coco had been kicked badly and had just come out of a coma. From someone who groomed for over twenty years, I hope he has insurance. In all my years grooming, I never worked for anyone that provided insurance for me. I hope all you folks out there grooming now are smarter than I was. Make sure you get health insurance, believe me, if they are playing with horses they can afford insurance for you!
Anyway, my thoughts are with Coco tonight. Ken, please keep us posted on anything you hear about how he is doing...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lauriep
Nov. 4, 2002, 01:46 PM
to find old threads, so went back to page 57 and lo and behold, I found this! This thread took place before I found my way back to everyone. For those who don't know, we have had a groom's reunion in FL the last two years, with another to take place in Feb. 2004. I have been in touch with many, but not all, of the grooms mentioned here, and many have made the reunion.

MB and Cpt. Crunch, you need to come the next time. We are also invited to have a mini-reunion at the Gold Cup next September. Maybe all the New Englanders/upper East Coasters could make a reunion there rather than FL.

As the designated organizer, I will 1) ask Erin to keep this thread alive and 2) keep you updated of our plans. If anyone knows the current whereabouts of anybody mentioned here, please email me at lpitts@hsc.edu and I'll add it to my database! I can also provide contact info for a lot of folks that I've seen/talked to in the last year.

Laurie

MBS
Nov. 4, 2002, 02:38 PM
Did you notice that this thread is when Capt. Crunch figured out who I was and since that time we have gotten together 2 times. Once at Old Salem Horse show and one time for Dinner. It was a blast and very funny that we had been posting for a while and I didn't know who she was. I didn't have the sense to think up an alias when I started posting on this board.

P.S. I will definately try to make the reunion this year. and I will try to coordinate with Cheryl to go as well.

MAD
Nov. 4, 2002, 04:45 PM
I read through this whole thread and didn't realize until almost the end that it was old! LOL.

lauriep
Nov. 5, 2002, 06:21 AM
She also changed her screen name to "ABBY", which is how it was when I reconnected with her, then went back to Cpt. Crunch, which really threw me!

This is the BEST thread! And I'm glad you are planning on coming the next time. Tentatively, the weekend after Pres. weekend in Feb. of '04.

If we can arrange the one at the Gold Cup next Sept., that would be wonderful. A lot of the folks from that area just can't get to FL unless they are working. Sherry Robertson has invited us, so I'll keep working with her to get this done!

Laurie

buryinghill2
Nov. 5, 2002, 06:43 AM
Actually, my screen name was Abby from the beginning. When I changed to Cpt. it went back and changed every post I had ever made. I'm actually thinking of changing it again.
MB- that thread seems like it was a long time ago.

lauriep
Nov. 5, 2002, 06:55 AM
Be sure to let us "slow on the uptake" folks know when you have done the deed!

I can't beleive I JUST found this thread!

Laurie

JFJ
Nov. 5, 2002, 03:00 PM
He is definately the best of my generation! No one's horses look better and go just as good as they look! He was always a great friend to me on the circuit. If I ever had a question or problem he was always there to help and not just for me but for everyone who knows him. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Last I heard Martha Bowen is working for Laura Kraut.

MAD
Nov. 5, 2002, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Lee McKeever (the correct spelling)

He is definately the best of my generation! No one's horses look better and go just as good as they look! He was always a great friend to me on the circuit. If I ever had a question or problem he was always there to help and not just for me but for everyone who knows him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm just getting to know Lee and I am finding all of this to be quite true!

Silly Mommy
Nov. 5, 2002, 07:14 PM
I still shudder every time I think of Rumors. I was young (I think around 10) and watching from the stands, I was watching that horse right when the leg snapped. It left a lasting impression in my memory. I think I need to go hug my ponies...

BREATHE!!! Oxygen is a good thing!
Sunnieflax Clique, PITA Clique (even if no one cares that my butt is broken)
"poster formerly known as Silly Mommy"

lauriep
Nov. 6, 2002, 07:15 AM
is a free lancer; she has been working for different people everytime I've seen her in the last 2 years. In FL this year, she was working for Lisa Jacquin.

It is pretty terrific that the grooms from my era still feel so close and have such a tight bond. We had a lot of fun together, worked VERY hard and lived for our horses. When we get back together now, even after 20+ years, we just fall right back into the old friendships like we never left.

I wonder if grooms from now will be able to say that in 20 years...

Laurie