Baby Greenie Support Group now open: Share Your Pain!

[Dragoon]

I've been enlightened to the Support Group....

I wish the green jumper pony had a brain - I also wish I actually could jack up my stirrups enough so I could really work with her /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif .

Does this group count for older horses who have been out of the showing loop for a while?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~Linds /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

- **Co-Founder of the Everyone Thinks I'm A Pessimist Club**
- **COTH Night Owl Support Group**
- This Week's Lesson: "Ok, you pressed the 'Whoa G'Dammit!' button when you wanted the 'Whoa' button.....Don't press the Whoa G'Dammit!!"

[JumperEq]

Pam- Best of luck through these times. Hopefully 2002 will be good to you.

As for me, I was "allowed" to ride my mom's friend's OTTB the other day. Man was I sore after that. Haven't done near enough riding on my greenie due to the hour trek to the barn I didn't dare make with all this snow we've been having. If it's mild tomorrow, I'm planning on heading out there. Weeee.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Anyways, OTTB... He's quite a trip. When she first got him, we had to ride him with spurs. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif What's up with that? She got him a WEEK after his last race. I think it would've been humorous to see him on the track. Anyways, he's finally starting to realize what it's like to move forward from your leg and into the bit. Seems to be a quick learner. We can't decide if the muscles developing on his neck are from correct movement or cribbing. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif He's fun though. Finally developing a brain so that's good. I was worried for awhile. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif He actually cantered around the rather small indoor 4 times with his massive stride. The whole time I was thinking 'collect collect collect collect' but that made me think of telephone commercials. Oi... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyways, hope everybody had a good New Years. It's 5:20 and I'm off to bed. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
Won't you let me take you for a ride.
You can stop the world try to change my mind.
Won't you let me show you how it feels.
You can stop the world but you won't change me.
~*~Cold~*~"Bleed"~*~

[wtywmn4]

What was up with yesterday?

It was unbelievable!! Not one, nor two but every horse/pony seemed to have something up their proverible butt! There was more lunging going on, mid ride. People would start out, then squeals bucks, head tossing, ape $hit all rolled into one. We had, at one point, 4 lunging gymnasts. With others waiting. Some wanted to tough it out, but well, their mounts had other ideas /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We were trying to blame it on all the rain. Since ours haven't seen sun in, oh how long??????????

[Merry]

Let's just say I went to the feedstore yesterday afternoon and bought some bales of sweet pea/forage mix. I'm thinkin' maybe a tad less alfalfa in the winter months. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

Sounds like everyone's horses are being "Pills" /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Elliot aka "Mr Cresty", (Hoopoe's new nickname for Elliot), is on about the least amount of food a horse his size can live on.
He is still buff, hense the name Mr Cresty, and quite proud of his new look.

I do like his new Cresty neck look and such, but can I ride it? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Perhaps it is the "Popeye" effect....after Mr Cresty escaped from his stall a month ago and ate approx 35 pounds of fresh carrots....... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wtywmn4]

35 pounds of carrots?

Do tell Bumpkin. Sounds to me like "Mr. Cresty" should be renamed Houdini Popeye.. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Merry, what is this forage you are buying? Can any of us get this at our local feederies? We do the alfalfa/grass hay mix. But these guys were all alittle loco..

[Bumpkin]

I thought Mr Cresty would be Mr Poopy after that consumption.
I only see him being even more greedy for treats in the cross ties. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I rode him today!!

We walked and trotted.
Me thinking, "ouch, ouch, ouch" with every trot step. haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Actually I feel better tonight. Hope I do tomorrow and I will try to ride again on Thursday.
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[hoopoe]

Congrats Bumpkin.

Hot soak.

I thought Mr Cresty looked oranger than usual. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

_\\]
-- * > hoopoe
Snowmen fall from heaven unassembled.

[Merry]

We do get a grass/oat/alfalfa mix straight from the grower in the summer, but this has been around most of the year. It's alfalfa/oat/beardless barley/sweet pea. Go figure, huh? Sweet pea...I'm assuming the edible peas (they're just sweeter), not the flower!

I'm thrilled you're back in the saddle, Bumpkin.

Hammie got LTD'ed (lunged to death) at my trainer's today. Her footing was great despite the recent rains. Then he jumped wonderfully! I mean, the best ever! So there's hope, fellow greenie-riders! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

Oh yes Mr Cresty was lunged first.

But I wonder, I want him fit, but is he getting too fit? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh well it tis the New Year, and back on a more sensible eating schedule for his rider, who hopes to beable to fit back into her TS's and Dehner's.
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Even though I will still have to have the Onion soup at the "Club" with Hoopoe once in awhile /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

My pelvis actually feels better today!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DMK]

Poor RV, he has had his first "altercation" with snow (actually, it's still going on, I'm sure /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). I turned him out this morning, and the snow started about 30 minutes later... I look up and there are 4 horses and one pony (who is also in his first snowstorm, but there is HAY so I'm not sure he noticed the white stuff - after the hay is gone, I'm sure he will see if the white stuff is edible) calmly eating their hay in their pastures, and one RV galloping around his. He then stops, tries to dig a hole (ground is frozen, so he doesn't have much luck), does this amazing dog stretch (keeping his front feet in his "hole") and proceeds to put his nose between his toes in the hole. Very strange looking and I am wondering what the hell is his problem. Then he starts walking around and flipping his head and I realize that his poor wittle nosikins is getting stung by all those evil cold snowflakes! He looked thoroughly miserable when I left! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

I heard on the news this morning you were getting snow!!!

I am sooo jealous!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh how I want some snow around here.

[wtywmn4]

Congrats Bumpkin!

Bet those human endorphins are flowing. Good for you, each day will get better. Lunging first sounds like a very good idea.

You have a point, sometimes we get these beasties way too fit. Mine currently is headed for a nice layer of cellulite. We need something to work with here. Like to have him slightly unfit. This seems to be the key.

Merry, that feed sounds good enough for human consumption. Will see if our local feed store has some.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DMK]

Please, Bumpkin... come and get it!! You are more than welcome to have it!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

We are SOOOOO unsuited to snow around here...

[Janet]

Just want to point out that, while an "unfit" horse may be easier to ride, (s)he is MORE susceptible to injury.

[Bumpkin]

Same goes for an "Unfit Rider" /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif (As I think of myself /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif )
haha

[Beezer]

to all "our" new baby green groupies! So very many ponies have joined up. I ALWAYS WANTED A FANCY PONY!!

Poor Tigger. He had to be ridden in the rain and chill and wind. He was not amused ... particularly when the clumpy dirt would fly up and smack him in the belly. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It added a little extra (i.e. unneeded) bounce to his step. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But he was such a good boy ... one thing about Tiggers, they may start out silly, but they soon settle down to work. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[CharleyHorse]

I rode a greenie for a little while and she was insane- when she was in heat ( like every other day ) and you were riding her if you put your leg on her she would stop dead and not move. She was really really really fancy but hard to ride, when she was bad. But when she was good she was sooooo nice =)

QUINCY COME HOME! I MISS YOU! and of course Piggy Par, Princess Anisette, and Boberino! Oh did I forget Stro? Hey BTW whats an 8 letter word with only one vowl? SP?

[CharleyHorse]

oh and congratulations- soon you guys might have the longest running thread that actually stayed on topic! Kepp up the good work! LoL

QUINCY COME HOME! I MISS YOU! and of course Piggy Par, Princess Anisette, and Boberino! Oh did I forget Stro? Hey BTW whats an 8 letter word with only one vowl? SP?

[Midge]

Oh, I am really in trouble now. I had my first lesson since before Christmas and the lovely Midge is usually 'frisky' the first time she jumps after a break. Well, she was frisky, especially with the precursor to the weather DMK described. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyway, I was able to keep my (rather substanial) butt in the saddle, my leg steady against her side and the energy going forward into my hand. She was unable to yank me into my usual effectual position flopped forward on her neck, so she alternated between a somewhat angry "What is wrong??? I am usually in complete control by now!!'" and "See, if you do it right, I'll do it right."

So, I am now in that dreamworld where I think I may actually be able to ride! Oh, when reality raises it's ugly head...

'If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?'

[Janet]

Belle is convinced she is half giraffe.

So I ignored it- you can put your head in the air, but you still have to make prompt straight transitions, and use your bum. We ahd a FEW short moments when she believed she was a horse again. But it didn't last.

[DMK]

Ah yes Janet... me and RV have had a few of those moments lately. They consist of ElGiraffo showing up as we trot down the long side, conviently headed towards the bar /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Whereupon DMK takes inside rein and nags at him as we go in a circle, and drives his haunches out just for good measure. We continue on as a circling giraffe for about 2 times, then RV decides that softening his topline would really be a lot easier. DMK ceases nagging and off we trot in a straight line... For approximately 50 more steps, then El Giraffo reappears.

I love Young TBs and Cold Weather... I love Young TBS and cold weather... it's like my mantra... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Merry]

I become obsessed with it. I keep telling myself, "Ride forward to the bit. Send him back up to the bit. Keep a straight line from bit to elbow, regardless. Follow his mouth." When what I really want to do is ________________________.

(I'm sure we can all fill in the blank with our respective fanstasies) /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Duffy]

I swear Will and I used to "Rack On" during his fresh days!! My elbow/hand would stay in a straight line with his mouth, alright!!!! Watch out "Good Hands" riders! Then I would make him trot as fast and as I could make him! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Unfortunately, it would only take Gramento a few strides of any extended gait to get around the arena, as compared to poor QH Will's trot! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Hopeful Hunter]

Oh, wow! A place for people whose horses are, um, under construction! I'm a very new member, and for a bit there thought everyone here had made horses doing at least 3'6" at the As. (I don't think as a nearly middle-age adult I'll EVER do 3'6" or the As!) Glad to hear there are others out there with DIY specials.

Mine is an OTTB, 7 this year, started later and raced two years then off the track since Sept 200. I got him in Oct 2000 and he's coming along. I don't think he's perfect hunter material (smallish -- almost 16hh, decent but not spectacular mover) but since I'm not either and the As aren't in my horoscope, that's just fine. He's shown twice under my trainer (local person, not BNT) in baby green -- picked up some ribbons, too, inc a blue o/f -- and twice under me. Once OK at a TINY local schooling show (we were reserve Sr. o/f -- out of 3 entries /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) and once a total disaster and a much larger local show. TOTAL pilot error -- the poor horsie asked "uh, what do we do here" and I said "huh? I dunno.." Didn't help him.

My wish for him would be to become a bit more self-sufficient and less rider-dependent. Oh, and more supple to the right, not so happy to take huge strides and leave from the next county over fences, and........ /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

This thread sounds like where you want to be!!!

You will get a lot of support from everyone here.
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[Merry]

Ah, Hopeful, so you want your horse more supple to the right? Gee, who among us has THAT wish??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Duffy, LOL about the "rack"! Yes, Hammie can do this bizarre, almost single-foot gait when he gets spazzed out at the walk, especially on the trail. What's up with that? I wonder if it's a warmblood thing. Beezer and I recently took Tigger on a trail ride, and another rider we passed asked, "Is that a Tennessee Walker?" /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Beezer]

My Tigger is a wonderful boy. But I long ago came to the realization that he is never going to be the horse I'd hoped he would be when I "engineered" his existence.

His pluses: He is a joy to work with, tries really hard, worships me (which I find his BEST trait! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ), has the cutest head in the world and the kind of silly personality that I really, really like.

His minuses: He is barely big enough, he is not by any stretch of the imagination a good mover, he has -- at 4 -- ringbone, he has recovered from his bizarrely fractured hock (how he did THAT we will never know) but seems somewhat limited in his movement behind regardless ... well, you get the idea.

He has "another one of Beezer's lifelong pets" written all over him. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I have moments when I throw up my hands at his latest ailment and think, I'll just put him down. Then I look at that face and think, can't do it, I'll find some kid to love him. But then I look at that face and think, nope, can't do that either, I just need to be content with who and what he is and face the harsh fact that at this point in my life, with the time I have available to ride, he's it and I should just shut up and enjoy doing flatwork and "playing."

But I get so danged depressed going to shows with Merry. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So ... thoughts? I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking for here, maybe just a slap upside the head. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[DMK]

Beezer, I am not sure what to tell you other than in my opinion, liking the horse goes a LONG way to making me happy. I don't think I would like showing a horse I couldn't stand to be around the other 23 hours and 52 minutes of the day.

On the other hand, showing is a lot of fun, and I can so appreciate how watching a sister or a friend show is so not fun after a while (no offense, Merry /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). And while I don't need to show to be happy, I DO need a horse that I can constantly progress on. If a horse had physical limitations, I might get frustrated with that after a while, and would need to take that into consideration...

Is there any possibility Tigger has a 3'0 potential in him? Yes, he's not a great mover, and he's small, but even with limited range of motion in the hock, I have still seen such horses be able to make the numbers and have a cute jump. And if they are consistant and an adequate jumper they can win in the A/A's in all but the stiffest competition. Also, ringbone is problematic on some horses, and not an issue on others. Once you own them, changes mostly bother me if there is corresponding lameness (not sure which is the case here).

Also, please don't get stuck in that DMK trap (although it sounds like you may already be there /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) of thinking that you are the ONLY good home for Tigger. There are lots of good homes out there. I tell this to myself everytime it's time to part with a horse (just don't ask how succesful I have been /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But I KNOW you can do better!!)

[Janet]

Have you considered leasing? That way he can do a job he is good at and you can devote your time to another horse, while not losing long term control.

[LaurieB]

Not that you asked to hear my story, but here goes. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When I got the opportunity to take up riding again after a very long lay-off, I ended up buying a 13. hand Welsh Pony who was absolutely adorable and who turned out to be a wonderful way for a middle-aged woman nearly thirty years past her last good ride, to get back in the saddle. Of course I fell madly in love with Willow. And having had ponies when I was little that were sold out from under me (they belonged to my parents) I pretty much assumed that since I was in charge now, I would keep her for life.

Except that the barn I boarded her at went to shows and that began to look like a lot of fun. So I showed Willow a bit, in schooling divisions and the like. Of course, we were a wildly unsuitable pair. Anyone--even me--could see that I was never going to be competive, even at the lowest level, on a 13. hand pony.

And so I faced the same dilemma that you do. As DMK said (more or less /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) there are a lot of good homes out there. Willow now lives in Pennsylvania with a woman who's 4'10" and breeds Welsh Ponies. She grows a winter coat that makes her look as wide as she is tall. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif About a year after I sold her, the buyer placed an ad in the Chronicle saying she had ponies for sale. OMG, I thought, I have to buy her back. So I emailed and got in reply a copy of the woman's engagement photo--she and her fiance standing with their hands joined across Willow's back. They call her Willow the Pillow. She has the run of the place and will never be sold.

The second part of the story is that by letting Willow go, I ended up with Tess who is truly the horse of my dreams. If I'd stayed with the pony, I would never have found her. So maybe it's time to think of letting Tigger go on to someone else who will love him as much as you do. By the way, Willow had a face to fall in love with too (see below.)

[Merry]

You had that gorgeous palomino pony and now you've have The Lovely Tess? I'm sensing a lack of balance in the horse world here...

As I've told Beezer before:
1. Keep Tigger as a pet. Like we don't keep pensioners at El Ranchito. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I can make anything go on the trails.
2. Whack Mr. Beezer over the head with a brick when he gets home from his cross-Atlantic ship ride. If he survives, force him to refinance your house and take some of the extra $ and buy a more suitable horse. I can teach anything to jump 3' for you.
3. You just have to hang on another year. The Alla Czar filly is all yours. I swear. I so do not need another horse!

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Beezer, moral support, slap up along side the head and deepest empathy

Okay first off, you wanted an A/O horse or a jumper? Ring bone does not go away and it will limit his usage, as you know. 3' is a very good place and alot of very nice horses now show in this division. A hock thats fused is just fine. Not a pretty mover but very doable. The ring bone is the real issue. How bad, and what is the vet telling you?

And lastly, mine live with me forever. I cannot sell them, ie: the infamous Chuck. Who has come home to roost. With many issues mind you. But today we were brillant, and it's a high that cannot be replaced. So, what do you want to do?

[Bumpkin]

I know how you feel.

That is a hard one.

I say go for the 3' classes on Tigger until the filly is ready.
Or you can send Tigger up to Mallory /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Hoopoe and her can share him /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Poncho was not suppose to jump with his ringbone or I would have kept him. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Chef Jade]

Do you really think I have a good use for a 21 year old, 14.2 hand MORGAN????? With board costing $500 +!!!!! Well to his defense he was short stirrup champion at Indio.

He is now my trainer's only lesson pony and has a line around the corner for people to ride/lease him. And he can still get me or my trainer off if he really wants to!

[JumperEq]

Beezer-
I feel for ya. My last horse was topped out and I wanted to go higher. After 6 and a half years of owning her and going through some difficult times, I made the decision to sell her. I had her sold and then I told the family they couldn't have her. I didn't trust them. I wasn't in that big of a hurry to sell. (You can always be picky /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) Anyways, Sweets kinda made the decision for me when she colicked....we had to put her down. Okay...maybe this is a bad example. Yes, forget what I said. Point being this: It sounds like you have a lot of choices to choose from. When I'm put in this kind of position, I usually have my gut feeling on what I should do. Go with it. It's usually the right decision in the end.

As for my greenie, she was such a good girl! First time riding her in the snow and the first time I could get out in 2 weeks. Weee! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif She was very "forward" but nothing too uncontrollable. She doesn't get hot or up at all. I like that. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We did mostly trot work (circle circle circle) and a tiny bit of cantering. Nothing major as we're both way too out of shape. Plan is to ride her again tomorrow. Woohoo!

.:Erin B #2:.
Won't you let me take you for a ride.
You can stop the world try to change my mind.
Won't you let me show you how it feels.
You can stop the world but you won't change me.
~*~Cold~*~"Bleed"~*~

[LaurieB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:
You had that gorgeous palomino pony and now you've have The Lovely Tess? I'm sensing a lack of balance in the horse world here...

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Think of it this way, Merry. The luck I've had with finding nice horses and ponies kind of balances out with all those years that I didn't get to ride at all.

An Alla Czar filly? Oooh, now I'm jealous. How about a picture? Beezer, I'm thinking you have some options here... /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Hopeful Hunter]

First, thanks for the welcome, folks! Nice not to be alone.

And to totally butt in....fwiw here's my take on Beezer's situation: Do what feels right to you deep inside on those moments when you're all alone and hear what you might not want to bubbling up. And never forget that we're supposed to ride for FUN. No one is forcing anyone to win a ribbon or do more than they or their horse can do.

That said, I feel for you. To give you all some loooong background (uh, you might want to skim this before your eyes glaze over): I'm on my 5th horse in 6 years of owning one. Partly because of that, I too spend a lot of time watching my barn buddies -- many of whom have ridden far less than me -- show and go merrily on their way.

First horse was lovely, but although she had vetted clean we discovered when I began re-learning jumping and she consistently refused dirty and dumped me that she had ringbone. Not bad, but for THAT horse it was too much to jump. It was SO hard to know what to do, but I realized I wanted to do more than flatwork at that point. I lost money but found her a great home with a young girl.

Second horse was a huge 17.1hh tb/wb cross, bought frankly 'cause he was drop dead gorgeous. He could jump the moon, and routinely did jump pasture fences, and had no brakes. Frankly he was too much horse for me, but I was religious about lessons and learned to RIDE and not lean over fences since he'd drop his whole front end to his knees. BUT...he had small, flat feet and just couldn't stay sound. Turns out he could only work 2x a week on those feet. He is now a blissfully happy field hunter who trots around one day and hunts one day and gets totally pampered the other 5. And he's doing well.

3rd horse I didn't want to buy. Old (only 13), short (barely 15.3hh) OTTB who had raced for 9 years. And thin and ugly when we saw him. But he fit my low price range ($3k - the most I'd ever paid at that time) and my trainer "made" me buy him. He turned out to be the most wonderful partner ever. Had some TB issues, but was a fun, regal and great guy. I had to stop riding him for a while due to a car accident and back surgery, but when I came back he took care of me. And I finally got to jump my 2'6" course with him. Sadly, he coliced one too many times and was put down at age 15. He is sadly missed.

Horse #4 I bought with the insurance settlement and spent a lot for me ($5k). He was a perfect hunter look - bay with socks, 16.1hh, and although his movement wasn't fantastic, his jump was lovely and smooth and I looked good on him and rode him well. Unfortunately, despite another thorough vetting I only rode him 32 days out of 8 months -- he was a walking accident and we now believe had sub-clinical laminitis. Horse was just never really sound. So I got disgusted (I have to board and can't afford a horse I can't ride) and gave him to my very experience (could be a trainer but doesn't like the responsibility) barn buddy who helped me find him to unload. She got the dealer to take him back (horse was turned out for 6 months and now lives with a JR who loves him, thankfully) and I got the greenie I have now.

NOT what I went looking for, but so far I quite like him and hope very much he stays sane and sound with me for a very long time.

SO, the point of all that? I guess that for me, I've had to make or go through some real difficult decisions about whether or not a horse was right. (I actually even wrote about it for Equus once -- it's what made me sell the big wb cross) Every time it was hard, but I feel I did the right thing. But a lot of times someone had to remind me "you're supposed to be having fun here, remember?" for me to make the tough call.

Good luck, Beezer. Sorry you're going through this.

[Bumpkin]

That was lovely, and my eyes did not glaze over!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beezer]

And the stories of your experiences. I really appreciate it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My fondest hope is that Tiggs will turn out to be a horse that my cousin can ride and show; she has three little kids and as much as she wants to, she simply can't spend a lot of time in the saddle, so her jumping height and show-ring time will, by necessity, be limited. Her own horse has been a wonderful partner for her, but he is thisclose to being yet another lawn ornament at El Ranchito. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm hoping that my cousin will prove to be "the right home" for Tigger ... and I get the added bonus of having him stay right where he is. Of course, he has to get to the point in his training, though, where he will be suitable for her. It also means that no money will change hands for him, but at least, if that works out, I know where he is. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The hardest thing, of course, is the disappointment. I'm "famous" around here for having horses with bizarre medical and soundness problems; I figured that, surely, a baby I bred and raised myself would not suffer a similar curse. And in many, many ways, he is the perfect horse for me; I mean, how many 4-year-olds are perfectly amenable to being ridden under the lights at 8 p.m. on chilly evenings? He can go a week without being ridden and pick up just where we left off; he follows me everywhere; he neighs wildly and does this little "happy dance" when he sees me ... well, you can see why he has me wrapped around his hoof. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Again, thank you for all you wrote. You've given me a lot to think about. And I truly do appreciate your kindness. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[JumperEq]

Beezer- Best of luck in making your decision. We all know how tough it can be.

I rode the Tater Tot again today. She just got trimmed so I took it easy. Lots of trot work. Obviously, *somebody* had been reading the COTH bb because somebody decided to be a giraffe today. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif She eventually got better with that. Then I thought, hmmm...I wonder if she knows how to counter canter? But of course she does, she's the wonder greenie. Heck, she'd even counter canter and give me a flying change on the straight side to the correct lead. Where does this horse come from!? She has practically automatic changes but we can't even walk a straight line sometimes! Wonder horse I tell ya. Anyways.....must.....sleep.....

.:Erin B #2:.
Won't you let me take you for a ride.
You can stop the world try to change my mind.
Won't you let me show you how it feels.
You can stop the world but you won't change me.
~*~Cold~*~"Bleed"~*~

[Beezer]

I really didn't mean to bring the whole dang thread down with my posts. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So, please, everyone, fun this thread back up!

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Rebelspi]

i can post. hehe.

riding a 6 coming 7 yr old sometimes made sometimes a green bean paint gelding, "Lucky".

he has lived in the same barn for almost 4 years, and he still tries for the spooky horse eating corner, and tries to say the windows have monsters in them.

set a few jumps up, and hes all business. no funny stuff.

silly ponies.

[Cinnybren]

Awww Beezer, no worries, that's what we're all here for. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mr. Murphy is getting better since we got the new saddle. (Thanks to Bumpkin!) However, previous to the poor saddle fit, he was Mr. easy-going, laid back, W/T/C being fairly round and jumping some small courses. Now, he's not as calm, seems quite "worried" (my new trainer who didn't see him "before" thinks he's "hot") and HATES trotting, still wants to giraffe and not relax, cantering is MUCH better and we can stay fairly round most of the time... Could it be that he's still thinking that "it's going to hurt"? I can feel how tense he gets through his withers and neck... I just want him to feel better and back to his happy-boy self. Any thoughts?

[Pocket Pony]

BNH, why don't you try a combination of chiro/acupuncture and massage to make him feel better? They all work so well together. Mickey regularly gets all three, and I can definitely feel when he's in need. He had his massage on Sunday, and he feels so good and smooth and relaxed. She worked out the soreness throughout his whole body so now he's more comfortable carrying himself.

And, to speak of my fabulous baby greenie...I'm such a bad baby-greenie mom! In our jumping lesson on Saturday, I crashed him through not one, but TWO jumps!!!! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!! My trainer says that'll teach me not to lean in too much. It was all my fault. Both times I changed my mind at the last minute..."let's take the long one"..."no, wait". Both times he stopped mid-air and landed with front legs on one side and back legs on the other. Shame on me!!!! We did fix it though, and redeemed ourselves yesterday.

Today Mickey was perfect - we worked on collected canter circles over a pole and he's never done it so well!!!

~ batgirl - formerly known as splendid ~

[Cinnybren]

Batgirl - formerly known as Splendid /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have been considering chiro/massage and am thinking I will mention said to trainer tomorrow and get her thoughts. I'm fairly certain there is someone that our barn is currently using. Thanks for the reminder. What kind of fees are typically charged for that type of service? (Sigh, another service to to added to the horse budget... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif )

[LaurieB]

BNH, our chiropractor charges $75. For that, he works on the horse for about 25-30 minutes, and most of them seem to love it. By the time he's finished, they're standing there with eyes half open and lower lips drooping. Also, when you ride them right after, everything about them is so soft and easy you can't believe it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Pocket Pony]

BNH - first off, make sure you find a reputable chiropractor. Mine is also a veterinarian and she's awesome. She does both chiro and acupuncture, and all the horses love her! Her fees are around $80 - $100 depending on if there's a split barn call or not.

I find that massage therapists range in their charges. The one I use charged me $80 for the first time and now $65 every time thereafter. It is not her first profession, she just does it on the side so she's not so worried about making a living off of it. But - she is well schooled in her side business and is continually expanding her eduacation and taking classes. She's very kind and gentle and Mickey always turns to her and asks for more!!!

You'll love the difference in the way they go - it is amazing from pre-therapy to post-therapy. And they deserve it!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~ batgirl - formerly known as splendid ~

[Bumpkin]

Regan Golub (http://www.docgolob.com/)

He does travel around, so you may want to email him BNH and see if he knows someone in your area.

I think he charges 50$ and if he comes out and your horse feels fine, then he doesn't charge you anything /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[dcm]

It's been a while since I posted on this thread. I see it's still going strong.

Report on greenie #2, Shadow - first official lesson with a trainer tonight, a dressage trainer that is. Yea, he's that green and yea, he hasn't been ridden very much. Other than the occasional "hippity-hop" on his front end and a little excessive speed, this little ottb managed to impress the dressage trainer. She says he's a "looker". /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He's not really a fancy horse, but he will serve someone well on the local levels. He was just too sweet to send to the auctions. He's now officially, if not actually, a five year old. He still looks like a gangly teenager.

Report on greenie #1, Rio - getting better and better all the time. We are gearing up for a stay at the trainer's place in February. He had such a nice intro show at the 3' levels. He managed to best some very, very expensive imports. We were very proud of him. His flat work is coming along great, too. I will attach one for your viewing pleasure. Just don't knock the kid too much, she's working on her hunter's form, not her's. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Speaking of "fatty hunters"......

****^-^****
Don't ask me, I'm just the mom!

If Dressage is Symphony, and Eventing is Rock 'n Roll, then Hunters must be R&B

[dcm]

Oh, wanted to ask, too.....

How would you decide if a horse needs a chiro? Rio is slightly shorter coming under himself on his left side than his right side. I thought I read somewhere this was one of the tests to determine if he needs a chiro. Shouldn't there be more than one "test"?

And here's one more of the "fatty hunter", cantering.....

****^-^****
Don't ask me, I'm just the mom!

If Dressage is Symphony, and Eventing is Rock 'n Roll, then Hunters must be R&B

[wtywmn4]

Beezer you never bring down the thread. You always make us laugh...We'll lighten up, we promise. Just worried bout our comrade in pre-greenies........ /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[elizabeth]

That's how girls bond - they share information! So you're doing this thread (boys and girls alike) a favor in the "greenie support group bonding process" by sharing your Tiggy-tough-decision-making process with us.

Oh, I must say, I like Tiggy a lot. My favorite, favorite post is the one where you were discussing how Hammie was "misbehavin'" and Merry was "correcting" his behavior, and poor Tiggy, whom you were riding in the ring at the same time Merry was riding Hammie, was going around muttering nervously (at least you thought he was muttering) "Oh boy. Look at the trouble Hammie is getting into. Not Tigger. Tigger is a good boy. Tigger is a very good boy."

Good luck in your decision. Here's to hoping your cousin can be Tiggy's next owner.

[JumperEq]

I can't help ya much with the chiro. My mare had hoof angle problems, which set one shoulder higher than the other...chiro helped a lot! If you think your horse may need one, chances are he does. My chiro only had to come out every 6 months as long as I kept up with my mare's stretches before and after I rode.

Anywho, those pics are great. Looks like your daughter's really coming along with the older one. What about pics of the new guy? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
Won't you let me take you for a ride.
You can stop the world try to change my mind.
Won't you let me show you how it feels.
You can stop the world but you won't change me.
~*~Cold~*~"Bleed"~*~

[wendy]

The Crazy Pony has been behaving so well lately I'm thinking of promoting him from Really Green to Just Sort of Green. We went on a trail ride on Sunday and galloped in an open field with four other horses. No bucking, no horse racing, actually listened to my every request! it was amazing. And in the ring he has been so willing and responsive the last week or so. My trainer actually complimented me.

He got chiropractored about a month ago, which completely cured our drifting to the right problem.

I'm wondering if sore muscles were causing the attitude problems we have had until recently. He has certainly put on a lot of muscle in the last two months, esp. in the hindquarters and back.

[Chef Jade]

I was speaking with our chiro/massage therapists when they were at the barn this weekend. (BTW - they charge $135!!) They were stating how imporatnt it is to have both chiro and massage in your program. The chriro will "fix" issues, and the massage can help train the muscled to keep the horse from "breaking" again. The hopeful end result through therapy and proper conditioning and training is to not need their services anymore.

[DMK]

Clips... Quarter Clips... You gotta love 'em right?

I mean they keep that shoe nice and stable, and help support that wall, and let that heel grow back... They are your best friend until you walk out to the (very muddy excuse for a) pasture and see your horse standing on 3 legs. Yup, that clip was driven so deep into the white line, that I wasn't sure I was going to be able to pull it out even AFTER I pulled out all the nails...

So while RV is a pretty tough guy, this reduced even himself to whimpering lameness. We are on day 2 of foot wrap and soaking, while tryine to keep the area open for draining. I suppose if all goes well I will have the farrier reset the shoe either Thursday or Friday.

Just as well, the cold snap, along with various ailments of the I Think It Might Be An Ulcer But Don't Want to Admit It variety, have kept me a couch potato for a few days... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

On the topic of chiros and massage therapists, well, I never owned a performance animal that didn't benefit by a visit!

The failure to perform as well as they previously have is usually a pretty good sign, and if you are a fairly perceptive person, looking for uneveness from one side to the other can also be an indication of a "pressing" need so to speak (pun intended!). Also, if you have a decent understanding of the various muscle groups, if you can feel for spasms and tightness, that is a very strong indicator.

Once you do have a relationship with a chiro or MT, please, please ASK them questions! You would be amazed at how much you can learn, do yourself, and identify as "early warning signals" (as in, "Gee, I don't think we are going to jump today, I think we are going to have a day off followed by some stretches and long and low work"). Just my $0.02 worth /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Midge]

Ouch, DMK, that was no fun for either of you!

I too have been laid low by the weather. 'Rode' today for the first time since Wednesday and Midge was not lovely. She had a meltdown in the middle of the road over the pile of snow at the end of the driveway. Then after quite a bit of walking, we progressed to the trot, where she was a cripple! Dug a big ice ball out of her shoe (with my bare hands! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ), climbed on with the help of the fence and had her leap forward as I stepped into the left stirrup. I somehow managed to get on and get her under control before a disaster struck, but there was just no fun to be found in the entire day.

Of course, I am trying to ride as much as possible before I head to WEF, since I problaby won't ride much once I am there and Midge will be turned out. #$!@*!% snow! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

****
'If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?'

[TrickOfTheTrade]

I had a great lesson on Trick yesterday. Only had time for a little jumping so we only jumped a few x's. He was really good!!!
We did a lot of flat and my trainer is now having us work on counter cantering for my eq/medal classes. He is just sure that he is not supposed to be on the "wrong" lead that he gets really upset and flips back. Poor Trick /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
He got it eventually and that is going to be our new exercise to add to the ton of other things I do when I ride him flat.

[Bumpkin]

Tomorrow at 11:30 am I will be taking my first lesson on Elliot since the "Lawn Dart" incident.

No jumping for a few more weeks though, just flat and getting my "sea legs" back. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I told my trainer my lesson could be from 11:30 to 11:45 /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Merry]

We're all cheering you onward! Climb aboard that beast and ride, woman, ride! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Midge]

Good luck, Bumpkin! Give us a full report when you get home. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

****
'If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?'

[LaurieB]

I hope you have fun at your lesson.

Meanwhile, my trainer has posted this year's show schedule and is over the fact that Tess and I like to think that we are on vacation. Six weeks ago, before you dropped your brain, she knew how to give at the poll. Now get serious again before she forgets everything.

Oops. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Back to work.

Oh yeah, and just to keep things interesting, Tess inadvertantly gave me a black eye. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Time to get serious again, indeed.

[This message was edited by LaurieB on Jan. 10, 2002 at 10:02 AM.]

[Bumpkin]

A black eye?
That is awful.

Try some Arnica Oil, (I may have spelled it wrong), it really helped the pain and bruising on my lower back. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[LaurieB]

Don't worry Bumpkin, it's not so bad. It doesn't hurt if I don't touch it. (In the morning, I get up, look in the mirror, do a doubletake and then go, oh yeah, I forgot. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) It's really a rather alarming shade of purple. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DMK]

Ummm, do tell about this incident, LaurieB... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And Bumpkin, May the Force Be With You!!!

Sadly RV is still pretty ouchy after 3 days of foot wrapping. But I am half convinced that he is just as sore from not having a shoe on. May have to have the farrier come check it out (he knows I live to torture him like this).

BUT BUT BUT... I may have unlocked the secret of the World's BEST Hoofwrap!!! A while ago someone gave me the idea of using quilt baffle (stuffing) instead of sheet cotton. We bought a roll (lifetime supply, $5), stuck it in a cabinet and promptly forgot about it. Well I stumbled on to it the other day, and remembered to use it this time... HOLY LASTING BANDAGES, BATMAN!!

Attention folks!! One folded over square of baffle, gauze, flexxus wrap (hate the stuff, but the closest store doesn't carry vetwrap anymmore) and the requisite duct tape, and that wrap was untouched, NOT WORN THROUGH, and in pristine condition after horse was in rubber mat stall from 5 PM to 9 AM, and TURNED OUT from 9 AM to 2:30 PM!!! The next day's bandage lasted a full 24 hours and was going strong when I cut it off and put on a new one.

I don't know about you folks but I have never had a foot bandage last 24 hours unless I invested about $25 dollars in thick sheet cotton and elastikon (and duct tape of course), and even then, it was only if they were in a deep bedded stall for the entire time. I don't know if it is the polyester baffle (which looks like it would survive a nuclear war) or the alignment of the stars or whatever, but I am thrilled to death!

OK, that is DMK's helpful hint for the week /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh, and update on the wonderful little exercise with the pile of poles we talked about a few pages ago? I set up a 3'0 vertical as an out element (trot pole <-9'-> X <-8'->pile o'poles<-9'->3'0 vertical) and took Robbie through it. While it backed him up too much as just an "X to poles", it was a great exercise to get him to rock back at that second element.

[Cinnybren]

Bumpkin- Good luck at the lesson, I'm sure "Mr. Cresty" will be extra careful. I bet he's been missing having you ride him!

Laurie - Don't ya' just hate having to go out in public with a black eye? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I've had a few horse related ones over the years and people do that trying not to look stare and then look like they want to haul you off to a woman's shelter.... I've told people, "Oh, my horse did it, it's really nothing." And they just kinda shake their head, "Poor dear, she's just in denial..." /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

DMK - I shall be off to the fabric store for some quilting baffle to put in the trusty trunk, just in case.... Thanks for the tip. Hope RV gets to back to his usual self soon. Murphy is a huge wussy-boy, if he feels at all bad, you'd think he was about to die. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Murphy is now in full training for the month. I rode last night and wow! I could certainly tell my trainer's ridden him for a few days. He was better..more responsive and softer.(I guess this is why I am the ammie and she's the pro huh!) /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Janet]

But I got a nice compliment at the weekend.

I had a jumping lesson on Music (rising 16) at the weekend, and she was trying to pop her left shoulder on the turns. I commented that that has been her favorite evasion ever since I first backed her.

Another student (her first time "up" since breaking her fingers) was riding at the same time. (I have taken joint lessons with her. A couple of years ago she sold my sister a horse she was having difficulty with, and my sister has had great sucess with the horse, but she ISN'T an easy ride.)

During a break she said: "Did you train her yourself?"
"Yes, I've had her since she was a yealing."
"You and your sister do really well with them."

[Merry]

Love the hoof quilt/batting suggestion! Like El Ranchito isn't home to some hoof abcesses occasionally. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And Laurie, darling, do we dare ask how The Lovely Tess gave you a shiner? I have some nice hickies that Hammie has given me from, uhm, "kissing me" on the arm. Yeah, that was it. He wasn't really biting me, per se... /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I also love how all of our babies seem to be progressing. I'm forcing myself to consider that show season is encroaching, although I don't think Hambolarama will make an appearance until spring. Barbie Cow and Tigger need to get some experience under their belts (or girths). Frankly, I'm enjoying my trail rides up in the hills in my new-fangled western tack. Yup, that's me, up in the hills of Norco aboard my warmbloods! Yee-haw! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Duffy]

Come on Laurie! Fess up! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bumpkin - waiting to hear about your lesson. I'm sure Elliott was perfect! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I am such a pathetic wuss. I hadn't ridden Gramento since before Christmas. He still hasn't been able to be turned out anywhere he can do anything, because of the footing. It took today's weather at 60 degrees for me to brave getting back on him! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I even put him on the lunge first - just trotted a bit both directions until his tail went back down. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Phew! I feel SO ridiculous to be proud of myself for actually cantering both directions. How pathetic is that? Geesh. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh well. Hopefully, our small success today will get me going in the right direction again.

Glad to hear the other creatures seem to be on the right track as well after all of our bouts with "other than perfection"! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Midge]

Merry, on the way to the barn, I pass a little road called Merry Way. I think of you and pretend I am also tall, thin and effective.

And then I get on... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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'If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?'

[Hopeful Hunter]

Sounds like a lot of our greenies are starting to ripen a bit!

Bumpkin -- Yeah! You go! Here's hoping for a lovely, effective, quiet lesson.

DMK -- SO sorry about RV. I've had horses from hades when it comes to hooves so I feel for you. Had 3 of them tear open holes in their hoof walls or soles, too. I've used diapers instead of the sheet cotton as the "base" layer, but the quilt batting sounds like it could work well. Wonder if it would work as a leg wrap instead of expensive sheet cotton, too, if you put gauze wrap over any exposed areas?

Laurie -- YIKES! Not sure I'd put arnica oil around your eye, but you might find a gentle gel or cream in your local health food store. Hope it's healing!

I rode my greenie in a lesson today -- only his second in a long while due to holidays and my being ill with the flu. His name is Asherman, btw, (now 7 yr old OTTB, off the track since Sept 2000). He had NO brain for last week's lesson -- he even jumped while literally looking behind him at the people splitting wood over yonder /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif . This week was much improved -- we worked in our tiny indoor on my nemesis -- cantering a turn to a gymnastic. Just low stuff - 2' - 2'3" - cross rail to vertical then vertical to vertical, one stride between. When I bothered to RIDE him properly to it he was actually kinda good. When I didn't -- well, let's just say that I was reminded of the jumping rabbits pix several times /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . But hey, he did jump them from that lousy ride, so that's a good thing, I guess.

[Chef Jade]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Merry:
Barbie Cow and Tigger need to get some experience under their belts (or girths).
QUOTE]

Jade is in the same boat. Unfortuantely she has put on a few pounds over the winter and let me tell you... NOTHING is going to fit under that girth of hers!
/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Acually the greenie is ripening into a nice lovely red tomato and may be making her debut in the 1st Year Greens in 2 weeks! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[LaurieB]

unfortunately the story isn't all that exciting. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Tess wears bell boots 24/7, the gummy, slip-on Italian kind. And this time of year, Georgia is awash in mud, so a couple days a week after I ride I slip Tess's bell boots up her front legs and paint her hooves with coppertox to keep them dry. Then I take her out and hand graze her. (You're all seeing this coming, aren't you? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

So there I was, thinking that since I was just standing around while she grazed, I might as well flip her boots back down. I did the one on the left--the side I was on--and being too lazy to walk around to the other side, I stooped down and reached across in front of her just at the very moment that she decided to take a step forward.

Thwack! That would be the sound of a knee hitting an eye. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

So Tess and I bear equal responsibility for this one. Me, because a smarter horse owner would have taken the safe option and walked around; and she because at the age of almost-six, it's time she began to pay a little more attention to where I am. We had three seconds of yelling and swearing and now we're over it. Except of course for this rather vivid reminder I'm wearing around. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

Thank You for all the support EVERYONE!!

You know that has really helped me get back on and have not one lick of fear.

This was my third time on Elliot since the "Incident", but they were both was less than 15/20 min of walking and light trotting.

Today while warming up, after a lunge, I actually cantered around the arena both ways waiting for my trainer I felt sooo good.

When my excellent trainer came into the arena, we practised at the walk circles and using the various reins, direct, indirect, open.
Then we did it trotting big cicles, the whole arena, small circles and eventually worked into canter both directions.
Elliot was so nice and relaxed and I must have had the biggest grin on my face.
I am not sore or stiff and feel WONDERFUL!!!

Again THANK YOU to all of you for all your moral support on the this BB!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Duffy you are NOT a wussy.
Elliot is so fit he does not sweat anymore, he has a lovely neck and is in perfect wt, lunging him a bit both ways takes that like, squeal of glee and edge off him and I bet your horse appreciates that just as much as Elliot.
Then they can get down to taking care of US!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I am so happy guess I will do some housework /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Bumpkin]

Try the Arinca Oil!!!

After using that I am not sore anymore, and it is suppose to do wonders on bruises!!
Like lift them away quick /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[weeble]

Way to go, Bumpkin! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We love "good lesson" stories.

I haven't had a greenie in a while, but I can tell you that just a few days ago I got some pictures in the mail of a horse I sold when he was verygreen. They were from his new owner who has gone through much with him, but there he was at a show, braided, shiny, alert, and jumping a fence with his knees around his ears. There was a nice note telling me how much she loves him. All I can tell all you current green bean owners is keep telling yourselves, "they do grow up, they do grow up". (Think "there's no place like home" from The Wizard of Oz and you'll have the proper cadence) /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DMK]

VERY impressive LaurieB /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But you don't have to give up working off one side - that is actually how track people do it (mine hardly know how to pick up a foot when I stand on the off side!) - you just go behind the horse's leg, not in front /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hopeful Hunter - I'm not sure I would use the batting for a leg wrap - methinks it wouldn't breathe enough unless you REALLY wanted a sweat. It sure beats a baby diaper by a mile or two (in addition to being cheaper).

Bumpkin, glad to hear about your succesful lesson, and Duffy, I know you aren't a wimp (unless one counts the "it's too cold to ride" excuse /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ).

RV was mostly sound today - if I weren't superstitious I might say me managed to avoid the abscess. But since I am highly superstitious, we won't say a thing /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[wtywmn4]

Go Bumpkin!!!! Whopeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Thats wonderful, and knowing you did it, will make next time even easier. So glad for you Bumpy /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif By the way, did you get your new hlemet yet? Heard they are making the GP's with velvet now....

Ouch LaurieB, you are very lucky. That is an easy place in ones skull to fracture. Right around the eye socket. Was told this by a surgical nurse, who also rides..Please be very careful...

weeble, you're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Bumpkin]

Where do I find out about this helmet?
I am still looking and need to get a new one quick.
Using Mallory's show helmet now.

[Merry]

Sorry, but that whole flipping-down-the-bell-boot story has a Homer Simpson "D'OH!" moment written all over it! Kinda reminds me of the time I got cracked in the eyebrow and had to go get a couple of stitches because I was trying the ol' racetrack method of cleaning out both front feet from the left side. Not such a good idea on a baby warmblood. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh, and thanks, Midge. Although in my vanity I'd actually rather be thought of as "tall, thin and ATTRACTIVE." I'm only "effective" about every other Wednesday. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And see, Bumpkin, we were all there with you in spirit!

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[findeight]

As another 50+ rider I have to make this observation. I fall off from time to time, sometimes alot. Most are just a laughing matter. But about once a year I really come off hard. Be it a broken leather, first dump off a new horse or a flat dirty buck off like the last one, these are not a laughing matter. Bruised ribs, hyper extended elbow or smashed tailbone these all took months to heal. One still in progress as I sit on an ice bag after a full month, still not quite right. I was lucky not to land on my head.
Given these facts I will be getting an approved helmet at the first opportunity. Perhaps a visit to the WEF as local tack stores are swamped and sold out.
I understand the GPA is the look to have. Even in the hunters. You'll be seeing me retire my custom made item of apparel soon. I suggest everybody else do the same.

It's cold here. I wanna go to Florida. Or Rivendell.

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wtywmn4:

Ouch LaurieB, you are very lucky. That is an easy place in ones skull to fracture. Right around the eye socket.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been there. Done that. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[wtywmn4]

Bumpkin, it was posted on "Off Course" I think by Weatherford. They were speaking of it at the USAE convention. Guess it's hot off the presses. Supposed to look very nice. Went to Dover's site, and nothing yet. But I bet if you called them or Miller's someone should know something.
If you can hold out, just a bit, we should hear something soon about them.

Oh Beezer, ouch!!! Guess this happens more than we realize. Keep thinking about a thread where we list all of our catastrophic bangs and ouchies. But then again, none of us may ever ride again if we did that. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[LaurieB]

DMK, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for RV.

Bumpkin, so glad to hear that your first ride back went really well.

Merry, yes, I'm laughing too. Thankfully, no significant damage done. (Thanks for the tip, DMK, next time I'll reach behind. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif )

This has just not been my week. I've also managed to hit my forehead on a door (how often does that come up? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) and slip on some mud, fall into a tree and bruise my arm. Like BNH said, pretty soon by-standers are going to be handing me those cards that tell you how to contact the women's shelter. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

That Weatherford!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif She is awesome.

Evidently, they, (Weatherford's Group), are thinking of making a flyer/publication with Mr Bumpkin's Helmet Theory!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

How exciting is that???

[dublin]

Glad to hear your first lesson back after the infamous lawn dart incident went so well, and that you were feeling so positive and pain free while you were riding.

I'd say that is a good start to 2002 for you both!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[Hopeful Hunter]

Yeah, Bumpkin!!!!! WONDERFUL to hear you felt good enough to canter alone warming up! And a great lesson to boot! Sounds like you're well over your alternative sporting try out /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

DMK -- Good point about the batting for a leg wrap. I guess I was just thinking of it as being the same as the stuff they put INSIDE the quilts, so.... Uh, duh?

Laurie -- If it makes you feel any better, I was once knocked across the barn, saw stars and had my glasses smashed by a 17.1hh wb/tb cross I owned. I too tried the track method of foot cleaning -- with my head stupidly in front, right at knee level. He was ok with that, but when a fly landed and he lifted his leg, his knee connected with my temple and almost knocked me out or worse. I'd LOVE to say I never do that now, but sometimes I catch my head positioned at perfect knee level /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif At those times I try to remember "what do I want more, more lessons/horse stuff or new glasses?"

[weeble]

I would venture a guess that many of us could consider ourselves very savvy horsewomen/men and yet I can add myself to the "knew I shouldn't be doing it while I stepped in front of the two-year-old" to paint feet for an in-hand class. Needless to say went to the class a little woozy and with a good-sized goose egg on my temple. I was lucky and can at least say I learned from my mistake. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Justice]

I want a video. Seriously. I can't believe Miss Jade is going to make her debut over the 3'6" and I won't be there to see it. . .grrr. . .what am I doing out here, anyway?

So. . .A/Os? (I have to live vicariously through you /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

[wadino]

Well Stella got to have 4 days off after acting amazing at the show, and then not being pinned well because we did the adds. My trips were great (flawless lots of people said), but the judge did not like that we didn't race down the 2'6" lines to get the strides. We got all 6ths out of 7. Stella was so depressed she didn't even eat when she went back on the trailer. She just stoof there and slept. Poor girl.

Back to the vacation thing. Since I felt bad for her not getting her well deserved blues /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and I couldn't get out to the barn to ride; she got a little vacation. I wanted to have her go out today, since I was going to try to ride her, and I didn't want her too happy. As some of you know, Stella can be VERY up in the winter. Well we just had snow and it all decided to melt today. She went out in the dirt field (aka MUD PIT) and had a good ole time getting dirty. She got her blankets covered in mud, her legs TOTALLY BROWN, and her neck and mane yellow.

I tried to clean her up as best as I could (the mud was still wet) and then tacked her up. We went to the indoor (her least favorite place) and she acted civilied!!!!!! She was so good. WE even cantered for the first time indoors this winter. I didn't go the other direction, cause I was lazy. Whoops.

So I know what all of you Baby Green SG members mean by being happy cantering!!! I just am not a Baby Green owner.

_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-

Ryan of GRAML

For my little Fluffnutter:

Every day and every night
I always dream that you are by my side.

ZONES 2002! It's always good to be a-head in life!!!

[Peggy]

Star has been under saddle for about a month now and the trainer decided he was OK for me to ride.

So, Thursday I drive out there despite predictions of bad winds. No wind until about a mile from the barn, then wow. But, everyone assured me that he didn't mind the wind (perhaps this is an advantage for horses born in the Inland Empire, as opposed to across the pond?) and they already thought I was crazy anyway (perhaps the result of my galloping warmups that send the DQ's out of the ring) so I went for it. Longed fine. Stood fine for me to get on. And went just fine. The scariest moment was just before the first trot, only b/c I had never felt his gaits. But, he felt great. We cantered (well, sort of hand galloped). And, I only ran into one person. The only green thing that I'd forgotten about was their magnetic attraction for other horses in the ring.

[Bumpkin]

Elliot has one of those horse magnets in his nose.
Loves to follow other horses around the arena, and moi doesn't have to use any leg /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Hopeful Hunter]

It's not easy being green......especially when your rider is sometimes, uh, less than spectacular.

Got reminded once more of the see-saw nature of greenies and riding today. Yesterday we had just about an ideal ride. Not all perfect, but several bits where Ash and I were together and in synch and just going beautifully. He was jumping like a Champion (ok, over 2'3", but hey, he's new to it), I was totally supporting him a lot of the time and just with him. Lovely ride.

Then today. Ah, well.....I KNOW better than to ask anything of a greenie if I'm tired or sore or not 100%. Did it anyway. And he was a bit sluggy, too. The result is not a horrible ride, but not one for the books. About 30% wasn't bad, another 30% wasn't good but gave us things to work on, and the last third was, well, awful. 4 run-outs! Several bad jumps and one where I was with him (I knew it was gonna be ugly) but he popped the 2' fence (jumping out of canter on a circle exercise) at literally about 3'3". But I'm told he tucked his knees perfectly for it.

Reminder to self -- he's GREEN. He needs your help, not your needing HIS help. Forgot that today.

[LuckyMe]

I've been away for a few weeks... it was nice to come back and catch up on all the baby greenie stories! Seems like everyone is doing well despite the fact that we are now contending with winter weather and awfully, uh, *fresh* horses! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Bumpkin its good to hear your first lesson back was a success, and Beezer good luck with the Tigger situation... he obviously has a special place in your heart and undoubtedly you will work things out!

My own filly has been under saddle for a month now. I got on her for the first time this past weekend... she has really come along nicely and the friend of mine who is backing her has done a really lovely job. She halts from both the walk and trot with nothing more than a 'whoa,' and will pick up the trot with just a cluck of the tongue. She's turning easily off the leg and seat and I'm completely suprised at how soft and willing she is.

While I'm a bit disappointed in myself for chickening out when it came to backing her, I am proud of the fact that much of her success under saddle stems from all the ground work I've done with her. I definetly made the right decision in letting my friend back her, and my own confidence is slowly returning. I have no doubt that while this filly may never make it to an A show, she will be an ideal mount for me... I'm glad I hung onto her!

Santa brought me a digital camera for christmas, so you can be sure I will be snapping some photos this week... then you can all see what my little green bean looks like!

[Merry]

Glad to keep hearing from everyone, especially since... although it's wintery nearly everywhere now (LOL, it was 78 degrees today) /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif it will be show season once again in a few months and we'll get to try all over once more!

Frankly, I can't wait to see how the Hambolarama does. He's quite nice to ride and jump in my lessons. And the Barbie Cow is doing really well after 60 days in the western saddle, Yee-haw! I've been hacking her some English and she's coming forward from behind much better. But I trust her about as far as I can toss her. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Next step: Getting Mr. Beezer to cough up some moolah for Beezer to get a new horse. Yes, I'm afeared it'll be somewhat green. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Just as long as it's started under saddle. I mean, I love my little sister, but the idea of "doing" one more greenie... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I'm thinking appy or appendix 1/4 that just needs a career change into the realm of the hunter/jumper 3ft. world.

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Janet]

That is what Belle had on Saturday. (AKA a dressage lesson). Butt it worked, We hacked on SUnday and I was able to keep the giraffe in=mitations to a minimum- even in the presence of strange earthmoving equipment, barking dogs, and new horses.

Lots of small circles at the walk, walk/halt transitions, and "vibrating" the inside rein.

[LaurieB]

I took Tess back out on a trail ride yesterday (when will I learn? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) and we were just all over the place. Not that she's ever particularly pleasant trail mount--This is good for you, this is good for you, I keep repeating virtuously--but she's usually not an idiot. We shied/bucked at logs, bushes, birds, dogs, trees, and one Domino's Pizza delivery man. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Usually when I get off, Tess gets apples, carrots, more brushing/rubbing, hand grazing. Not yesterday. Yesterday, I figured I'd indicate my displeasure by simply untacking and throwing her back out in the pasture. (Besides, Mr. LaurieB had eaten all the apples I'd brought while he was waiting for our return. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )

It turned out that was exactly what Tess wanted. She goes out with a small band of about six other mares. The day before, a gorgeous new gray mare had been added to the herd. Poor Tess is subordinate to everyone but a two year old paint filly, and while she was gone the filly had been palling around with the new mare.

Tess is in an absolute tizzy over this new arrangement. Is my status changing? Isn't it? What can I do about it? How come I'm not in charge of anyone? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Anyone else dealing with a greenie who's also a social butterfly?

[Cinnybren]

I am just so frustrated and feel bad for my guy. I thought we had this figured out and whammo, it's like going back to square one. Murphy is VERY back sore again.

Trainer is mystified at the cause. We had the vet out to check him over, did hock X-rays and pasterns. Nothing significant showed up. We figured out the saddle fit problem and got the new saddle, have had it fitted. All is correct there. Murphy has been better with the new saddle, but still tense and not relaxed. Now he has become very sore across the back half of his back and loin. He has been on Robaxin since Thursday night, no riding and on long turn-out time. Yesterday, he's still just darned sore. We've discussed massage/chiro, but trainer really thinks something else is going on and wants vet out again first. I'm having his history sent from the vet we used at my previous barn to the new vet this morning.

I feel so frustrated and useless in this situation, because I don't know how to fix it. I want Murphy to feel better again, back to his happy easy-going self, I hate to see him like this. He's not even happy and relaxed when I brush him, which he used to LOVE. (He'd do that cute head twisty thing when I hit the "good" spots.)

Geez, I re-read this for spelling and sound absolutely pitiful! I guess I just need a little moral support... please?

[Merry]

Wow, I'm so sorry! All I can say is that I know how I feel when one of my horses is "broken". It's just awful! And then you want to help, but they can't talk, so you have to play detective. I'm not much help in the sore back/loins dept., but maybe if you posted a query on the horsecare forum? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And Laurie, yes, I also do the "trail rides are good for you, dang it!"thing. Just once I'd like to take my babies up in the hills and get through an entire ride of playing Bonanza without an incident. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[SaddleFitterVA]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Trainer is mystified at the cause. We had the vet out to check him over, did hock X-rays and pasterns. Nothing significant showed up. We figured out the saddle fit problem and got the new saddle, have had it fitted. All is correct there. Murphy has been better with the new saddle, but still tense and not relaxed. Now he has become very sore across the back half of his back and loin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a mare, who ultimately led me to become a saddle fitter. One thing that I will say, is that I spent 3 years in saddles that were not perfect. They weren't all awful, but the first on was awful, and I am still working on issues in getting her to release her back that I think come from bad horse-posture habits she started in the ill-fitting saddles. She has had wonderful saddles for the last 4+ years, but it isn't an overnight fix. And, she has changed tree sizes a couple of times. Went from SUPER wide to MW and is now working back to wide.

Another thing, sometimes what looks like the perfect saddle standing still is awful when the horse starts moving. And, changing saddles will give the impression of improvement, even when the new saddle is not perfect because it usually is a new spot that isn't sore.

Now, assuming that all is ok with the saddle, then you might just be dealing with the memory of pain. He is tight/tense because it hurt in the past, so he has a hard time relaxing now.

Good luck figuring out what it is.

[LaurieB]

BNH, so sorry to hear about your boy! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I'm afraid I don't have any advice to offer, just lots of moral support.

[Quinn]

After religiously working both babies (one is 3 in April and one is 3 in May)in the round pen, I have graduated to climbing aboard both. With lead ropes attached to the halter, we have now travesed the indoor without incident (so far.)

I look forward to obtaining (and maybe delivering) valuable information as time goes on. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

And woe am I!!! hahaha
I am due for a root canal at 7:30 tomorrow morning!!!

We worked on walk, and trot and canter and using the reins etc...
The funniest part was when we were doing the sitting trot, my wonderful trainer said, "tell me if it hurts your cheek".... /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I thought she meant my bum!!! Since I am still a wee bit sore on one "cheek"!!!

hahaha /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I was thinking, now how did she know that??? Wow this trainer is so awesome!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What she meant was my "Alvin the Chipmunk" swollen cheek from the infected molar.

I think she was surprised to see me come in the barn today, I told her, "Of course, Darvon works real well, forget about Vicodan" /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Elliot was such a wonderful boy!!!
I love this horse and I love my stable and trainer. Makes me feel like I am 30 years younger. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

My torture session was yesterday on horseback. I took the (now) nearly 4yr. old Barbie Cow to my trainer's to school her on the flat. We're back in the English saddle, by the way. She was actually pretty good, hacking nicely in a relaxed frame, but then suddenly I get this: She spies something that intrigues her, then I get the "deer in the headlights" routine, aka "The Frozen Giraffe" pose. Then her tail goes up over her back and she snorts! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif If I urge her forwad she just explodes, so I just try to get her to refocus by bending her around my leg, making circles, etc. Yesterday it was a horse being put on the hotwalker. Why???? Who knows. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Awesome Bumpkin, you go girlfriend!! Tooth and all you are riding! You are awesome. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Have to have one of those lovies, keep chickening out..Aleve really works well...... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Chef Jade]

that Saturday was the big "move" to take Dekster to the animal farm to do some growing up (mentally only - please - he is already 17 ++++ hands!) I had nightmares about him not going in the trailer. I scheduled the shipper to arrive at 7:30 when I knew no one would be at the barn to see my beastly horse balking and fighting, throwing me around like a rag doll, etc. So what does he do? Walks frickin' RIGHT INTO the trailer like a pro! I STILL can't believe it!

Then he gets there and walks right off the trailer and quietly to his pasture about 1/2 mile from where we unloaded him. He had to pass llamas, camels, zebras, cows, and god know what other animal I was unable to identify. He didn't spook once!

I am still in shock! Looks like he will be able to handle being a show horse with no problem! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Quinn]

Welcome Quinn, welcome.

May I be the first to invite you to share your humorous stories and anecdotes on this thread.

Your postings so far have been so enjoyable, it's hard not to anticipate more of the same. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Cinnybren]

Yay Quinn! Welcome! Sounds like you will have your hands full with TWO greenies. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Way to Go Bumpkin! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Glad that Elliot is being such a good boy.

Chef - Dekster sounds so neat, please just ship him to me down here in Texas and I promise to take good care of him...he's sure to be a star. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Merry - Barbie-Cow sounds like SO much fun (wink, wink) and you want Beezer to get a new greenie to add to the mix...?! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Quinn]

The mere thought of being a "thread ender" at page 56 was causing me to lose sleep. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

Don't fret dear!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You will not be a thread ender on this thread.
We sometimes get bounced back to the second page, but one of us "Greenie's" will have something to say and dig the thread back up.

This thread is wonderful to keep you going when you think all is lost!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

What? End the thread at 56 pages? Oh no. We can do way better than that! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I was so not into riding a greenie today, so Hambolarama just got bitted up and lunged in the chambon. He dearly loves that torture session. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Peggy]

LuckyMe - don't feel bad about having someone else start your baby. People wanted to know why I didn't start Star myself, didn't I want to be the first one to ride him. I fugured, why not have someone do it who has actually done it before. And, is young and fearless.

Bumpkin -good to hear about your ride, but ouch on the tooth.

Merry - you mean to say that Barbie "sees dead people" like my supposed to be not-so-green 16yo TB. The one who decided to entertain the masses today by running sideways instead of doing a lead change. Comment from the masses-your 2yo looks easier.

[DMK]

verra funny Peggy! Many years ago, way before the "I see dead people" phenomena, my sister saw a movie about these aliens who looked justlike everyone else. The only way the aliens could spot other aliens was with their special glasses... Which brings us to my old hunter who really had a fence spook in him (and of course was also the BEST jumper I ever owned, but god help you if you didn't hold his face and sides all the way to the fence). Anyway, after one of his more spectacular spooks, she commented that it was obvious that there were aliens in the fences, and Raven clearly had the glasses. He couldn't be held responsible for his actions... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Merry - you know you just invited the Cow-ness of it all by bragging on that forward moving Barbie!!!

I am feeling beseiged lately...

Saturday I went to go to barn to meet farrier who was reseting RV's shoe (see "Clip of Death" a few pages ago /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). I get in vehicle. Vehicle does not really move too easily. Vehicle has flat tire. Take vehicle into street (driveway is a wee bit steep). Neighbor offers to help me change tire. This is wonderful, but MY SPARE IS FLAT!!!!!!!!! sigh... Arrange to borrow a vehicle, take spare to get fixed before tire place closes, go meet farrier. Farrier resets shoe on RV, damage from clip appears minimal. Life is looking up. HAH!

Sunday afternoon I go to barn with plans to hack RV. RH leg is swollen around fetlock. No wounds, scrapes or dingies to justify the swelling. I put him on the lunge line to see if he is sound. He is not. And of course since the LF is the foot just reset from the quarter clip disaster, there is just a wee bit of doubt to say is it the RH or maybe that LF is still a wee bit sore? I opt for 10 cc of banamine, ice for 20 minutes, paint with DMSO/dex, wrap and reevaluate tomorrow.

Monday comes, I drop off the original flat tire to be fixed, go check on RV. Swelling gone with wrap, but still just the barest hint of unsoundness (and a generous helping of Young TB Insanity). /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif After leaving the leg open for about an hour (while I went to get tire put back on and spare safely put back under vehicle) a suspicious (and depressing) swelling reappears around fetlock. Sigh... Repeat Sunday's regimen and reevaluate on Tuesday.

Tuesday - get in vehicle to go to barn. Vehicle once again does not easily move. THE SAME DAMN TIRE IS FLAT AGAIN!!!! At this point DMK is so beat down by all this, she merely backs car onto street and quickly and efficiently changes the tire, instead of throwing a glorious Temper Tantrum, the likes of which would put a weanling to shame (her normal response to Car Trauma). Drop tire off on way to checking out RV. RV at least does not have any swelling, even with leg open a few hours. I didn't check for soundness, but did not give banamine today, so tomorrow will be a better test. At any rate he will have at least 10 days off just to be on safe side (assuming we have no more swelling/lameness when not on banamine)... sigh... However, after riding the Made Horse today, who was Certifiably Insane, I am tempted to give them all Jan/Feb off, and visit again in March /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif And just to cap off the whole experience, the tire guys told me the tire had additional damage near the rim. Unfixable, of course. Sigh...

Right now I am lighting candles to the Wheel Gods, and praying that all the "Bad Wheel" Karma is in the Stupid Tire and NOT in RV's RH wheel.

Why again do we like owning horses?

[wtywmn4]

Never a thread endder Quinn. Welcome.....We're just starting the spring show season. Should be fun with all these greenies! Lots more pages of support to go.

Dekster is a wonder horse!! We have semi problems with sheep, can imagine a llama.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Nothing like the sun to bring out the best in one's beastie. We had such lovely extensions today, thought I was on a different horse. No unhappy faces, just bending, softening and opening that step. Transitions to die for, of course once one hits the show ring, well..... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Bumpkin]

Can you help my friend in Horse Care?
She is asking about swollen coronet bands /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[LaurieB]

You really are having a run of bad luck! Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

Bumpkin, how did the root canal go? I had one last year and the procedure has certainly changed since my last one before that(about ten years ago.) It wasn't any worse than having a cavity filled. I hope yours was similarly simple.

[snapper]

Although some might argue that at 7 Snapper is hardly a baby greenie, I think she qualifies because we started with a dressage trainer, then had no trainer, then had a year off suffering from and recovering from laminitis, then began jumping tiny groundpoles and jumps in September of last year. We have been working on gymnastics and trotting into a line of fences and cantering out. Today my trainer had set up a bounce to a one stride. Vertical, oxer, vertical. I was terrified (well a little worried) Snapper did it like she's been doing it all her life. Okay we did go through once where she was majorly sucking back because she was worried about the dog standing on the arena ledge /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif she still went, even though it was slow enough to almost be standing still. Gold star for Snapper for todays lesson!

[Peggy]

Star got his first set (pair actually) of shoes about two weeks ago and the shoer reported that he was a joy to work on. Good thing, b/c he doesn't seem to be very good at keeping them on.

Tuesday his RF is a bit loose. No problem -- shoer due that day. Whoops, no shoer on account of the fact that he had a mishap with a horse. Trainer removes shoe. I don' t ride.

Substitute shoer arrives today. Barn help informs me that his shoe is back on, so I throw his boots on in the stall and turn him out. He has a fine time while I ride the other horse. I go to bring him in. No shoe. Now I feel really stupid, thinking that I missed the fact that the shoe wasn't back on. No, I talk to the shoer and he assures me that he put the shoe on. I couldn't find the thrown shoe. And, I noticed that the new Davis bell boots had a chunk out of them. Guess I need sturdier bell boots.

[Merry]

Oh, shoes on babies! Hammie ALWAYS tears off a front shoe at about week 4. However, he outdid himself and took off his front shoe yesterday, only 48 hours after getting shod. That's a record. But what am I supposed to do? I hadn't ridden him in 5 days, although he'd been bitted up, so I turned him out to play. That's when he pulled the shoe. He bucks so hard that he reaches up and grabs the OUTSIDE heel of his front shoe! I was so p***ed I put duct tape on his foot and hacked him anyway. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

By the way, love the "I see dead people" remark. Gotta use that one! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Duffy]

I had my first lesson in over a month today and Gramento and I had a blast! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We jumped all of the jumps, (albeit trotting in and cantering out of the lines /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). My trainer made me do a LOT of sitting trots. I work out and all, but I have to say - nothing gets one riding fit except for riding! Thank goodness Gramento was good, because I kept hearing my knuckles crack on the landings as I'd land completely in his neck instead of my leg! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Bumpkin]

I bet that you are way better than you are telling us!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sounds like your lesson was lots of fun, and you got a lot of work done at the same time.
I love those kind of lessons. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beezer]

So need fingers crossed, please. Tigger is off. Again. Only this appears to be a new ailment because it is in a new leg. It's not horrifically bad, but enough that *I* know he is "not right." (The butt, at the sitting trot, never lies.) It seems to be a hind end thing, but not in the same leg as the hock he fractured. The earliest I could get a vet appointment, complete with x-rays, is Wednesday ... guess I'll be getting to work late that day.

On the other cross-your-fingers front: Merry and I are going to go look at a horse for me tomorrow. He sounds really, really promising; the person who has him knows me well and thinks the horse will be a good fit. And even though I keep telling myself NOT to get my hopes up, what does it tell you that I am already scribbling possible show names for him on a scratch pad at work?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

As I told my vet when I called just now about the Tig Man, really, it's OK if he just winds up being a pet/trail horse. I've finally accepted that he won't be my dreamed-of competition horse. (And maybe this other horse won't be either.) I just don't want him to be in chronic pain, 24/7, for the next 20 years.

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[LaurieB]

I hope Tigger gets a diagnosis you can live with.

And wouldn't it be nice if tomorrow's horse turned out to be the one? We'll need to hear a full report. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

Let us know what happens ASAP tomorrow Beezer!!

I have the curb chain in hand as I type /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Hopeful Hunter]

I'm going to have to get a curb chain to jangle for you, Beezer, but consider it as being done (what IS the origin of that, anyway?). Good luck on both horses.

It looks like my greenie may actually be going to the local shows for real this year. Mainly with my trainer, since I am prone to show meltdowns and will take a proven campaigner to work with a bit first before exposing my boy to that. But I do hope to at least hop on him in Long Stirrup a couple of times (how pathetic is that? 7 years back riding and that's the best I can do. *sigh*)

But we did have a good lesson today. I learned yet again when I ride in balance and focus and create PACE not a SPOT my horse is just lovely. We even did a 2'9" vertical to a gate combo and kept the nice even pace through it all twice around. Then we cantered my dreaded right hand tight turn and kept the flow there, too. Now why can't I ride that way all the time? 'cause when I don't, boy does he look green and awful.

[just_me]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hopeful Hunter wrote:
It looks like my greenie may actually be going to the local shows for real this year. Mainly with my trainer, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mine too, mine too. My daughter took a lesson on him on Wed. and I rode him a couple times this week and he is sooo much better. We watched our trainer ride and jump him today, and I smile just thinking about it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He's also gotten much better on the ground. I was determined that he was going to get his stuff together on the ground, and I read him the riot act right after new year and informed him that I'm the alpha member of our herd. He's like a different animal.

I think we're going to start taking him to local shows in a couple of weeks. If things work out, our trainer will probably ride him the first show, and then my daughter will start showing him.

Maybe he realized he turned 7 on 1/1/02, and it was time to grow up, or he heard rumors that we were going to trade him for a different horse. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[wtywmn4]

Oh Beezer, so sorry to hear this. Jingle jingle, jangle jangle....You know we will keep our fingers crossed and think nothing but positive thoughts for the Tiggs....

And, you also know that when one appendage hurts, the good ones take up the slack. So we will all hope that its just a little strain, and nothing more....

[To Remain Anonymous]

But he's a greenie alright! He raced for an extended period of time (til he was 6 1/2), had a few months of down time, worked for about 3 months, then got a fracture and had off for a year and a half all together.

Now, we are trying to get back on a program.
He is not so interested to say the least. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's like I have a new horse. I don't know how exactly to explain it except to say that he wasn't the horse that I bought and rode for 3 months (I know it's a short period, but these differences are prevalent).
I try to give him the benefit of the doubt as much as possible, as I know he has not had a "program" for such a long time.

But, even though I try to take that into consideration, he has changed. I am working with a BNT (who I am very happy with) and my horse will do the same stunts with him as with me but we all know that trainers, especially the excellent ones, do NOT ride the horse the same way you do. Maybe because he's mine too, I take his antics personally. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Anyhow, he HATES (not putting mildly) the leg. ANY time it is applied his ears go flat back and if you persist (which of course is necessary) he'll start bucking. note: he's seen the vet many times to rule out all sorts of problems.

And he wiggles his way through lines, but we'll chalk that up to pure greenness. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So, to try upward transitions is like a battle .. and if the pace isn't satisfactory, another battle to increase it..ugh.

I know he isn't a baby, and I know mentally he is, but I have to admit my frustrations are getting the better of me.

I know I have to keep at it, and I am.. but it really disappoints me when I have these battle of the wills... It just, how shall we say, lessens my desire to do it all again tomorrow. I will! But I don't go down there with a bounce in my step.
/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Any pro advice from those who've been there?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Peggy]

Beezer - good luck tomorrow and next Wednesday.

And, don't hesitate to buy the first horse you look at if he is the right one. One of my finer horses was the first one I'd looked at and was advertised in the LA Times to boot.

Merry - the same person that described my horse as seeing dead people has also described him as being "a little quick with his head" on the ground.

[Merry]

TRA: I ain't no professional, but I would suggest just starting your horse all over again, from longeing in side reins to long-lining and maybe even hanging out in a western saddle. Trust me, I've been there/done that with an older horse that's had some training and then an extended lay-up. It's as if they've had time to think about stuff and frankly, they'd rather NOT be a show horse! So you just have to play refresher course all over. Give him 60 days of kindergarten again. Your trainer would probably shoot me, but that's what I would do.But then again, I'm not a trainer...

I told my girlfriend about the "I see dead people comment" and we were both in hysterics! That is so classic. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yesterday I had the absolute WORST ride ever on Hammie. He just would NOT focus on me! Gee, could it be that I've only ridden him twice in 9 days? Round 2 is this morning. Pray for me. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Showpony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by To Remain Anonymous:


Maybe because he's mine too, I take his antics personally. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


Any pro advice from those who've been there?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would like some advice too!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[wtywmn4]

Prayers and jangling curbs for you Merry. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DMK]

Beezer, lots of good luck wishes from this coast!

Anonymous, showpony, I can't say I have dealt with exactly what you are talking about, but the "personality change" after a few months with an OTTB isn't unfamiliar... Especially with one who raced for a while.

It's sort of a good news/bad news thing. On one hand, a horse who has been on the track until he was 6 1/2 was a tough horse. On the other hand he had a lot of time to have that track training enforced and reinforced. And he's a tough dude. It makes for a more challenging combination than the OTTB who bombed out early because he didn't want to run.

What I think is that for the first 3 months there is so much change going on, it keeps them unbalanced (mentally). To add to it they are generally pretty physically unbalanced so it's kind of easy to have your way with them. Then we reach the stage that I call "just enough balance to get away with something, and not enough to do it right." To say it is my least favorite stage is to practice severe understatement!

I think a lot of OTTBs just get to a point of frustration that you have to work through. He's got 4 years of practice doing it one way, and a few months of doing it another. Before this he wasn't fit enough or balanced enough to tell you how much he prefers the old routine (let's face it, it was much easier), and was pretty much at your mercy. Now he isn't and he's speaking up. So I have found this stage to be the stage of 3 steps forward, 5 steps backward, 3 steps forward, 2 steps backward, and so on. I strongly recommend a real sense of humor and alcohol. Also, occassionally I try a week to 10 days off just to see if a little mental break helps if things are really going nowhere. Sometimes it does wonders, sometimes I have a psycho on hand, but you don't get anywhere with greenies if you are afraid to try something different!

As for the I HATE Your Leg attitude, I would try going back to something that you can a) succeed at and b) puts your leg on his side regularly.

If every time you try an upward or downward transition with leg, and you get a scooting inverted evading mad horse and the next thing you do is try to correct THAT issue, you have sent a bunch of mixed signals to your horse (go forward, don't go too forward, don't be inverted, stop pissing me off you stupid horse and so on). So maybe what you can try is lots of circles while pushing his hind end outside the circle. If he gets frustrated don't worry if he speeds up (he's the one doing work, you can outlast him), if he puts his head up and inverted, don't worry about that right now. Right now you aren't worried about speed, transitions or head carriage - you are teaching him to keep his nose on the path of the circle, his shoulder light and move his haunches off your leg. Now is not the time for other complications. As long as he does those three things, he's a star. Since you are staying in a circle - just small enough to dictate your will (don't be surprised if it is much smaller to the right), he can't go anywhere too fast, and as soon as he realizes that as soon as he is cooperative with his head or haunches, you release some of that annoying hateful nagging rein or leg pressure, he will think about being a player. If he can't accept this, he can't accept using his hind end to create energy for an upward or downward transition, but unlike going forward in a straight line, you have a lot more options to dictate your will in a circle.

After he accepts that he must creates energy with your leg pressure (and gets rewarded) you can start to work on creating forward energy with equal leg pressure, but you have to be sure you reward as soon as he gives you the tiniest bit of cooperation!!! Don't expect him to do it all, but every time he moves forward happily with leg pressure, take your leg off and tell him he's a good boy!!! If he starts being pissy, just go back and work on that circle a little bit until he figures out that being a player is much easier than his plan of action.

Now he may need some very basic lessons in leg pressure first. If you can't get him to move off your leg from a stand still - either a turn on th ehaunches or forehand, and if you can't get him to release his face to the left or right with minimal contact from the standstill, he needs some additional work before you do this exercise!

An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times... A pessimist fears this is true.

[To Remain Anonymous]

Merry and DMK

Thank you so much. I was reading through this thread and it made me feel better, especially the two of your posts.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>. I strongly recommend a real sense of humor and alcohol.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Too funny!! That had me laugh out loud /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks again, I am going to reintroduce my boy to babysteps.

[Bumpkin]

How did the horse hunt go? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Oppok]

I wish we could understand that inside bend to the right is not the exact same as to the left! I also wish that we could understand that not EVERY fence is meant to be jumped, this includes outdoor ring fences... please oh pleas only jump when I ask for it!!!!! Ah well practice makes perfect right?!!

[M. O'Connor]

Lord Helpus lately? It's been awhile....

MCL
Equitation Crusader
"r" H/J/HEq

[JustaLurker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M. O'Connor:
Lord Helpus lately? It's been awhile....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've been thinking a lot about her ever since her January 11 appointment at the Cleveland Clinic has come and gone. I'm hoping she will post soon and with some good news. I'm sure we're all praying for her.

Cheers, Maggi

[LuckyMe]

Seems like the greenies have been busy the last few days!!

Beezer, good luck with the new horse. Its great you can try a horse that belongs to someone who knows you well and understands your goals. Let us know how it goes, and keep us updated on Tigger as well!

I'm going to start regular group lessons with my filly this week. She's going in a western saddle and bridle and is becoming a neck reining pro. Its all very different to me, I've been in a close contact saddle since I started riding 13 years ago. I didn't even know how to cinch up a western saddle until a few weeks ago...shame on me for always being a hunter snob! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My beloved Ainsely is now collecting dust in the tack room, and I have this nagging feeling that I should start looking to acquire some western tack....!

[JumperEq]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Lord Helpus lately? It's been awhile.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was just thinking about this last night. Actually came on here to see if any of you had heard from her. I hope all is going well.

Beezer & Merry- How'd the horse go? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
You cannot stop us, you cannot bring us down,
Never give up, we go on and on.

[Janet]

Me too (wanting news about Pam).

[wtywmn4]

Me three, she said she was going to check in..... /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[M. O'Connor]

5 of us....

MCL
Equitation Crusader
"r" H/J/HEq

[Merry]

Okay, I'll email her, because honest to goodness, I was ALSO thinking about her! "Great minds thinking alike," etc., etc.!

How'd the horse go? Well, he's standing in a paddock at El Ranchito at this very moment. It was rather humorous. We're told, "He's so quiet. He never needs to be lunged, yadda yadda yadda."

So I climb on and start hacking this rather large, stout black QH gelding. Yes, as I was told, he's still green and wants to (unfortunately) lug on your hands. So I'm trying to lift, half-halt and soften, to no avail. About the third time I say, "I really think he needs to be lunged," he erupts into a rearing/bucking frenzy. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif So I bail off, put him on the line, and he runs around like a snorting dragon. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

After that, he hacked pretty nicely, so Beezer got on and did even better than me, since she's used to riding trucks. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif They even hopped over some crossrails. We get to try him for two weeks.

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Duffy]

Yeah Merry and Beezer! Sounds promising, at least! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hope to hear some good news from Pam soon too!

[SaraJ]

Well, the contract has been signed, and I have just bought my first Green hunter. I am soo excited, and scared! I have experience with greenies (I have helped my trainer start many horses), so I'm not completely in the dark.

Anyway, this mare is four years old, a paint, 15.2, so sweet, just completely lovable. Were calling her Bridgette, show name Theatrical (actually her registered paint name is Norfleet Britches, don't like it).

Can't wait to pick her up next weekend! Will probably be consulting this thread a lot!

~SARA~
Horse, thou truly are a creature without equal, for thou fliest without wings and conquerest without sword.

[LaurieB]

Merry, I'm so glad you're going to email Pam. I, too, have been wondering how she is.

EqChika, welcome! We always enjoy pictures. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here's an odd question. Has anyone ever had saddle pads that absolutely drive their horse nuts? This first happened to me over the summer, with a pad I bought that was the same brand and style as many of my other pads. The first time I put it on Tess, she threw a fit, bucking, kicking, even trying to scrape against a wall like it was making her really itchy. I washed it umpteen many times and tried it again with the same result so I threw it out.

Yesterday, out of the blue, Tess began to act like a banshee again. Since she's not a big bucker, the second time she tried to launch me, I thought, hmmm, this is a new pad. Even after I took it off, she didn't settle. Rode her today (different pad obviously!) and she was great.

So now I'm wondering if I'm suffering the curse of the mutant saddle pads. Or maybe if it's all in my mind (or Tess's)? Anyone else ever have a similar experience?

[tblagg1110]

I have a baby greenie who is not started over fences yet. He jumps manure piles in the arena, so we're well started. =) We jsut started with a trainer and are coming along great!

[LuckyMe]

Merry and Beezer, Looks like you'll be joining the QH club! Its not a bad place to be! I love my QHs, I've strayed toward other breeds but in the end I've always come back to them. Is he a full QH or an Appendix?

EqChika, I've heard only very good things about the Norfleet line, many successful hunters from what I understand. Sounds like you've got a nice horse on your hands. Any pics??

[DMK]

LaurieB - I have had a horse hate the saddle pad in a general sense, but nothing as extreme as you are describing... then again, I don't have mares /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (Robbie just said NO to $100 worth of gel pad and cover - he prefers his Beval pad /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I'm not telling him about the $200 Supracor pads, thank you very much)

Do you think maybe there is something on the pad that irritates her skin when it warms up after a little bit of contact with her skin? Residual bleach or maybe a coat conditioner?

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Janet]

Mr. Brain, the rising 2yo gelding (just before Xmas),learned some lessons today. I have been ponying once in a while for several months, but only round the perimeter of a big field.

Today we went about 1/2 a mile down the road- encountering a bicyle and several cars- then up my sister's long driveway. The driveway has a BIG puddle- the full width of the driveway and about 20 feet long. It took a while , but I finally got him to walk back and forth through the MIDDLE of the puddle.

It is so nice to get these things "dealt with" before you even back them.

Also, my sister put a stick on him, and he has grown an inch and a half since September- 15h 2 1/2" in front, 16 h behind.

[Merry]

He's an appendix. I believe, because he came off a racing QH ranch, but he's not tattooed. His name is... "Sinclair" but needless to say, it has already morphed into "Sam". /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Congrats Merry & Beezer. He does sound nice, even with the explosion. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Sinclair, Sam is a great alternative...Is Sinclair his registered name? Can you take some pictures?? You know how we all are for pictures...

Let us know when you hear back from Lord Helpus. Maybe she can come and play, even for a short time. We all do miss her... /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[JustaLurker]

Ditching the classy name Sinclair for the common, ordinary Sam? Stick with the much more unusual Sinclair as Sam as a name is a dime a dozen.

He does sound very interesting, however. How big is he? I know you, Merry, and Beezer are into warmbloods so I presume are used to big bodied horses, but also want something of reasonable height. Since he came from a racing farm, I'd guess he has a goodly amount of TB in him. Do you know much about his pedigree? Not that it really matters - suitability is the name of the game!

[JumperEq]

New horses are always a ton of fun. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Maybe I'm weird but I like figuring them out. Anyways, yet another pics request. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
You cannot stop us, you cannot bring us down,
Never give up, we go on and on.

[SaraJ]

Well, here's the horse I'm picking up next weekend. I think she's just adorable /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif . I know, she is a little small, but I'm hoping she gets to 15.3.

LuckyMe, have you really?? I actually do not have much experience with paint/QH lines. I'm happy to hear that. This mare is definitely a great mover. Very flat kneed.

Whadaya all think???

~SARA~
Horse, thou truly are a creature without equal, for thou fliest without wings and conquerest without sword.

[LuckyMe]

Hmm... I posted earlier but it seems to have disappeared!

Merry and Beezer, looks like you too have been sucked in by the QHs! Not a bad thing, in my opinion. Keep us updated on him. What's his name?

EqChika, your mare sounds lovely.... I've heard only very good things about the Norfleet line. Would love to see some pics if you have some!

I'm going to attempt to attach a pic of my filly. Its about six months old, from this summer, but its the latest I have of her! I really need to take some more asap. Her background info for those who haven't heard before... 15.2 QH filly, coming 3, just started under saddle. She's foundation bred, daddy was a halter horse and momma was a reiner. As of right now her career is undertermined, tho I think she'll be pretty versatile.

[wtywmn4]

Eq Chicka and Lucky Me, both of your babies are very nice. Eq your mare looks like one we have in our barn. Came out of the paint horse world into the h/j one. He's a really good jumper too. Doesn't have the bald face, but high white on all 4's... Lucky, what foundation sire is your filly by? Its my ole QH soul that pops up, even tho my heart belongs to a TB... /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JustaLurker]

For all of us who have expressed concern over Lord Helpus, I sent her a Blue Mountain e-card and signed all who recently posted. You can see the card at:

The Spot at Blue Mountain (http://www6.bluemountain.com/cards/boxf228256i5/fw8cwid4n5dcv2s.html)

[Duffy]

LaurieB - The only time I had anything I felt I could possibly blame on the saddlepad /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I DID find where someone (of course not me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) had yanked off a price tag of some such and part of the little plastic thing that was still in the pad, or so I discovered after I regained concsiousness and checked out the pad!

It was a 2-yr old Connemara and I'd just gotten on her for the first time. And guess who's girth not was quite as tight as it should have been, especially with a new slippery fleecy pad...My aunt was on the ground with a line attached when she exploded, which of course complicated things because she was pulling away and bucking at the same time, thereby twisting the saddle too. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Oh well. Since that day I am unbelievably careful about making sure BOTH sides of those stupid plastic tag-holder thingies are out of anything I put on my horses or children!!

So, my thought is, it could be the pad. Perhaps not for that reason...It certainly could be what DMK said too! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message was edited by Duffy on Jan. 21, 2002 at 10:58 PM.]

[findeight]

Well this is kind of a follow up to my old enough to know better not green mare's Christmas adventure chronicled here about 12 pages ago.
We got rid of the temporary stalls behind the partition at the spooky end of the indoor ring and those decorations, especially the jingly Santa Claus are long packed away so you would think things would have settled down. Especially since it really hasn't been that cold.
But NOooooooooo.
They have decided to change the stall doors a bit. They're metal with vertical bars like a jail cell. Absolutly guarenteed to be a size and heavy enough guage that NO horse could stick a hoof through.
Well we know better then that one don't we. After they stopped the horse-no not mine thank the lord-and got the stall door off his back leg he was only laid up for 90 days.
The decision was made to weld a screen on the doors to prevent this nonsense from reoccuring.
You know, hook up the air compressor and just weld them on.
Of course this was done at the far end of the arena, behind the partition and took 2 weeks. Yes 2 weeks of smoke belching and compressor roaring from behind that mysterious partition.
Needless to say I had the welders lunch hour figured to the minute /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
And timed my rides accordingly. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's cold here. I wanna go to Florida. Or Rivendell.

[Merry]

She was very happy with JustaLurker's get well card! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Please come over to "Off Course" and sign her COTH BB get well card!


On another topic, I'm sure Beezer will elaborate on her ride at El Ranchito aboard the Samster/Sam Meister/Sambolarama/the Samwich. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

What I learned today, and Beezer probably already knows, is keep the hands pulling slightly up and back and not down and back.
Truck will become mad because the bit collapses and pinches the roof of his mouth and he will lug more, if you pull back and down.
Once I started doing the slightly up and back, Mr Cresty, Elliot, Truck became light and agreeable /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message was edited by Bumpkin on Jan. 22, 2002 at 11:29 AM.]

[LaurieB]

Justalurker, I thought the card was wonderful. What a lovely idea.

DMK and Duffy, thank you for your saddle pad thoughts. I think it may be as DMK said, there's something on the pad that irritates her once she heats up and begins to sweat. (At least I was willing to believe this about one pad, but now two?) A friend said to me yesterday, "That's what you get for sticking with thin skinned TBs after the rest of us have all switched to warmbloods." /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DMK]

LaurieB - want me to hold your friend down while you beat her about the head and neck with a wet noodle?

Or maybe you should just wait until summer when its 95 degrees and she is wearing 5 inch long spurs and developing Super Calves in a desperate attempt to go forward as you gracefully canter up the five?

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***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[wtywmn4]

Wonderful ideas Justalurker and Merry...The get well cards are the best. Let's hope this will be over soon for Pam/Lordhelpus...

Don't give up on your saddle pad issue. Not to do with our thin skinned TB's /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Must have spent a small fortune in the past 2 months to try and find the right one...pads that is. Bought everything available, literally. But a friend at the barn let me use her black, has small air holes in it, neopreen/rubber? pad she got from Dover. And honestly it worked. My saddle not only irritaged my poor guy, but moved all over his back. Girth was tight, he just uses his shoulder immensely. It's called a No-Slip pad and sells for $20. Easy to clean and really does work!

[DMK]

wtywmm - I used one of those once... Pad stayed right where I left it... me and the saddle slid back about 8 inches though!

Unfortunately for me I tried a friend's just before a class, and we neither schooled long nor over anything particularly large. I reset the pads and saddle, went in for a class at 3'3 - had a great jumping horse, and by the third line I had a saddle pad IN FRONT of the saddle! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Made for an interesting trip!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Needless to say I removed it before the next class /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I have found that the Professional Choice girth keeps my saddle and pad in place though... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

C'mon BEEZER!!!! Tell us about your ride!!!!!!

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Hopeful Hunter]

Welcome to our new members -- I guess this means I'm not the newest anymore!

And major congrats on all the new horses! May they be sane and sound and simply wonderful for you all.

My guy goes with my trainer for a lesson with her trainer this week -- should be interesting to hear the evaluation. I don't love this woman from a horsemanship aspect, but she does well on the local circuit so we'll see...She's seen him before last year, actually, and I'll be interested to see if there's any improvement. Of course he's been having lots of time off due to the weather here, so who knows what he'll be like. He was really good in my lesson last Friday (MEMO -- RIDE the line, look up and over the fence and feel the horse, and he jumps like a champ. Throw yourself at the jump, and, well....) but distracted last night...at a stupid SNOW PILE?! Like there aren't snow piles in his field?

As to the saddle pad and thin-skinned TB question -- yeah, it could be something on the fabric. Have your tried washing it in Ivory or whatever horsie shampoo your beastie's skin prefers? My guy has been know to be irritated and break out over, well, nothing, so good luck!

[LaurieB]

Oh DMK, I knew that remark would get your dander up! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Then again, I can't take too much offense. This is a friend I've known since we were teens, who went to WEF one year, liked what she saw, and bought a place so she could keep doing it. Now she's "stuck" down there with six horses that need to be ridden (husband and daughters back at work/school up north) and guess who got the call to come help out?

So I'm going down to WEF next week to exercise someone else's very fancy horses for a few days. Life could be worse, you know? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Beezer]

Thanks so much for the good wishes! Am keeping my fingers crossed for the poor Tig-Man; God knows what he's done THIS time. I had him out in a pen yesterday, going over him inch-by-inch, and as I'm bending down looking at the NEW, good-sized splint on the same hind leg as his old hock fracture -- which is NOT the leg I think he's lame on -- I about come up under his stomach with a "WHAT THE HECK IS THAT??" as I see all this NEW swelling in the other hind ankle (the leg my butt says he's off on). SIGH.

I so swear that that has NOT been there until just now. He has been funny about my picking out that hoof and putting on his hind boot, but I just ignored it as a "baby thing." The swelling is mainly on the back of his leg, running from about mid-cannon to his ankle, and he really doesn't want me to touch it. He still isn't horribly, obviously lame, but *I* know he is not traveling right.

Visions of a pulled suspensory (been there, done that as a weanling screwing around -- but that was a front leg) or another fracture dance through my head. Anyway, we'll know tomorrow.

Now, as for Sam....

He is this BIG, black (with just the tiniest of stars) tank. He's probably about 16.2 and has the build of a ... tank. He will never win a beauty contest (he has a rather prominent nosebone, alas) but he has just the biggest, kindest eye and seems so very sweet. He really wants a Mom ... and as my very British mum-in-law said, hopefully he's smart enough to know that his "butt has landed in the butter" on that score. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

We did our first El Ranchito ride yesterday. He was so very, very good ... not even QHSM trimming her roses by the ring rail (envision huge shears lopping off overgrown bushes with the resulting detritus being flung every which way) and Grumpy Old Dad using a shovel to pound down the clipped-off branches into a trash can (at one point sending a trash can flying) caused him to do more than come to a slow, head-up halt to take it all in. Beezer was thinking to herself, this one may be a keeper. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

He is, however, a truck to ride. Which is fine, because weirdly enough, I LIKE those kind of horses; they're probably the kind I ride best. (Conversely, Merry HATES that kind of horse ... two more opposites than Sam and Ham cannot be found!) And what little he knows is the WRONG little ... so we're going back to the very basics, though he does, thankfully, know to move off your leg. In one session, though, I saw/felt improvement in his sitting and posting trot. But canter ... well, let's just say I felt a little like I was riding Bucephalus and for some reason the theme from "Ivanhoe" kept running through my head. I think we need to work on that. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Cinnybren]

Hooray Beezer! Sam sounds neat, I think those big tanks are pretty cool! I hope Tigs gets to feeling better soon. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Vet saw Murphy on Friday and it was interesting...to say the least. Apparently my 17H TB is now gaited, he was actually racking when asked to trot.....EEwwww. Must have been ugly. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Anyhow, the vet found "nothing wrong". However, did note that his hips were uneven and noted some atrophy on the left side rump. Thought we might need to address that "down the road". Hmmm, I think, could this be what's causing Mr. Murphy to have become so goofy undersaddle? Perhaps, I have yet to talk to the vet personally, this is all second hand from the barn manager.... Well, at least we've ruled out some things. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. LaurieB, I'm jealous...WEF, yep, it could certainly be worse. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Merry]

Oh my, Laurie B, what awful tortures you must endure! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Sorry DMK, but I did have to smile picturing the slide. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Was doing that prior to this pad, continually. Professional's Choice you say, hmmm, another to add to the pad collection. Becoming reminiscent of Merry's bit collection. One must always be prepared.

Beezer the tank truly sounds like a real match. Anything with a kind eye, cain't be all that bad. Do hope Tig's vet visit will end on a happy note....... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

I love riding my "Tank" or size wise compared to your "Tank" my "Tanklett" /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I will keep my fingers crossed for "Tank" and "Tigger" /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JustaLurker]

Beezer, I'm so sorry to hear about all the problems Tigger might be suffering through right now. Certainly it seems to be true that when it rains, it pours! Hopefully, whatever this latest thing is, it can be fixed. A layup would even be acceptable, I'd guess, since you now have the new and fun, but very uneducated Sam to play with. He certainly sounds like he may exactly what you had ordered. Good luck!

[Coreene]

I have never read this thread before. Oh sure, I saw it, but since I don't have a greenie ... well, you know. And now I read about Sam and I HAD NO IDEA!!!

Congrats, Beezer!

[DMK]

LaurieB - I almost imagined you were contemplating my response when you wrote that! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif So, d'ya need help down at WEF - I'm sure I can find nice things to think and say about WBs for a few days!!!

wtywmm - actually it was pretty funny AFTER the show was over, but I tell you, I contemplated yanking the pad out and dropping it as I went down the last line, it was so badly bunched up in front of me. Also the PC is a girth, not a pad - it's wonderful thing, I put my leather girths in storage and even show in PCs now (and I am the ultimate in leather snobs, I promise you). I did buy a black pad today from Dover - my greenie does slip his pad a bit in spite of the PC girth. He doesn't have as prominent of withers as Robbie, but he is still pretty slab sided like most young TBs. Between the two maybe it will solve the problem.

Beezer - hoping for good things about Sam AND Tigger! Sam sounds like a perfect find, and if my old QH mare could do halter, drive, race, WP, hunters and event all at different times in her life, I am pretty sure Sam can do a quick relearn. QH's are pretty good at that learn/relearn thing.

Just an update on RV - first there was the clip of death which did not abscess... This was followed by swollen LH leg/mild lameness, which seemed to be nothing more than a wrenched ankle since lameness/swelling was gone in 36 hours... Then last Friday I noticed the huge gaping hole on his right elbow while I was repairing fences (it was hidden on the inside and under the blanket)... sigh... Well it was huge but unstitchable - location was lousy and it didn't look new even though it was... I think what happened is he stabbed himself with a stick (or god knows what) about 2 months ago, and methinks there was still a little pocket of stuff in there, that finally abscessed and worked its way out. However we are going back to WORK!!! He isn't lame, and tucoprim is a beautiful thing.

Anyway, he's been back to work (lightly) for three days. That's one nice thing about him - gives me real hope for his future as a hunter. I have not been on him for almost 30 days, and I just hopped on and got a slightly fresh but very balanced, rhythmical, even W-T-C, and not even a hint of a crow hop... There's hope... assuming the next time I bring him in from the pasture he still has 4 legs attached to his body /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Beezer]

And a belated welcome to all the new "greenie" members. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LaurieB, re that pad ... could dear Tess simply be allergic to it? The fabled Spotted Wonder Horse was horribly allergic to this one pad I had ... stupid me, I thought I'd get rid of whatever irritant was in it by washing it, so she wound up with THREE bouts of welts and hives. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Let's just say, she got to where she wouldn't even let me near her with it. (Note to self: You are supposed to be higher on evolution's learning curve than your horse.)

Tess probably isn't so highly allergic to the pad in question but still ... I know that as much as I love wool, for instance, I need only to touch it in a store to get an attack of the "itchies." Perhaps Tess is similarly affected by something in that pad??

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Peggy]

When Cool was younger, I had to wash everything in Ivory Snow (?whatever you are supposed to wash baby stuff in) or he would break out in bumps. And I always do the rinse twice thing when I wash any horse stuff (this was a big selling point when I bought my last washing machine).

My previous horse developed an allergy to neoprene.

But the best was a friend's horse. He would only tolerate natural fibers--no synthetics allowed.

[LaurieB]

Now there's a duo that sounds as if they ought to have their own TV show. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Thanks to everyone for the saddle pad suggestions! I imagine it must be some sort of allergic reaction, and rather than trying to track down the exact cause, I'm simply going to get rid of it.

DMK, I'll think of you while I'm riding---more leg, more leg, more leg---in the sunny south next week. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[wtywmn4]

Can't believe you are saying that Peggy. My new guy, I was told has an allergy to neo-prene. So must use only natural fibers, but the pad doesn't seem to bother him. So, am thinking maybe it was what they washed it in????? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Beezer]

I am the proud owner of one of those rarest of horses, a just-turned-5-year-old with ringbone in all four feet.

Yes, folks, you read that right ... ALL FOUR. The x-rays this morning confirmed it. My vet did congratulate me, however, for picking up so soon that something else was not right with the Tig Man; he said Mr. Perfect (except for all his soundness problems) is only the slightest bit off in the hind leg that I kept insisting he was off in ... I reminded the doc that I have had a lot of experience in these kinds of things. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'd shoot myself, but then who would look after this really cute, fat, chestnut horse for the next 20 or so years??

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Pocket Pony]

I'm bored at work so I just went riding on my lunch break. I suspected that Mickey might be a nutcase since I decided to give him two days off because he was perfect all of last week.

Anticipating a giraffe-necked speed-demon, I elected to not wear my spurs. But, alas, Mickey was a slug today!

The weather here is cold (50 degrees - brr chilly), but very sunny, so once we started working, the temperature felt perfect.

He was so light, he carried himself so nicely and didn't drag me around. I cantered around a lot in two point and had to keep kicking him to get the engine running. After a few laps, I sat down and had a lovely light canter. He rounded his back and came on the bit~!!!!! First time ever!!!! And in his bad direction, to boot! I was so shocked that I came down to a walk and tried to absorb what just happened. I wanted to see if it was a total fluke, so I picked up the canter again and he did it again!!!!! Wow!

Petted him and decided that was enough for the day - I couldn't beat it!

Wheeeeee /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

~ batgirl - formerly known as splendid ~

[Duffy]

Poor Beezer. I'm so sorry about Tigger's feet! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Quinn]

Beezer, if anything can be said here, it's that the Tig Man is one lucky SOM to have picked you for a mom.

On one hand, I am so sorry for your horrible luck but on the other, he's so grateful I'm sure, to have you. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[LaurieB]

Oh Beezer, I'm so sorry to hear about Tigger's ringbone. At least now you know that what you were feeling wasn't all in your mind. Maybe the new black prospect can cheer you up a bit?

Batgirl, don't you just love it in those rare moments when everything comes together just right?

[JustaLurker]

Oh Beezer, I'm so sorry to hear of Tigger's diagnosis. How on earth could this happen to such a nice boy? But, I'm happy for him that you're his mother.

What with all the physical ailments horses seem to be susceptible to, I guess it's a miracle that any are sound at all. I guess you'd better be careful and do a thorough vet check on Sam, particularly feet and hocks. I hope he doesn't have the tiny, fashionable tiny QH feet since he's such a big guy.

[Hopeful Hunter]

Beezer, I'm SO, so sorry about this.... I had three horses in three years that all developed/showed odd, hard to diagnose foot problems after I bought them, and I know the disappointment of knowing you're NOT crazy and something was really wrong. I was much luckier, though, and mine were able to be placed in good, appropriate homes since they could still work a bit, but not as prospective show hunters like I hoped for. All at a total loss, of course, but at least I knew they were ok.

Mr. Tig is lucky to have you to care enough to look and see what was wrong. Know that thoughts of comfort are coming.

[Pocket Pony]

Oh Beezer - I was so excited about my ride today that I neglected to comment about Tigger. I must say he is one lucky dude to have you to look after him.

~ batgirl - formerly known as splendid ~

[Bumpkin]

I guess Tigger is related to dearest Poncho!!!
Although I never had his hind feet xrayed to see if the ringbone was there also, he does have both front.
Give Tigger a big hug from his "Cousins" to the North. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Beezer]

Thanks for all the kind words and support. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When I broke the news to Mr. Beezer, his response was, "Well, he can still be happy out in a field with an apple tree, right?" Still smarting from the vet report, I snapped back: "I don't know what YOU see when you look out in our backyard, but I sure as he$$ don't see a field or an apple tree!" To which he responded, with a hug: "Then we'll have to work on getting that, won't we?" Sometimes, I think he just *might* actually understand. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Chef Jade]

Awww - Mr. Beezer sounds like every horsewomans' dream.

I am sooooo sorry. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I am realizing more and more that I have been extremely lucky in the soundness department. (knocking on wood, fingers, toes, other extremities crossed, salt being thrown over shoulder, etc.)

Jade made her debut in the 1st years with some inconsistent rounds. But she did get a 4th in the last class out of about 15.

I checked on Dekster out in his pasture. He was hanging out by himself with not a bite mark on him. So it looks like he will be staying out there for 6 months but when he comes back I shall have plenty of greenie stories to relay to the support group!

[wtywmn4]

Oh Beezer, am so very sorry...Poor Tigs.. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Did the vet have any idea why he has it in all four? Thats something you hear in driving horses from being on hard roads..

But you have to bless Mr. Beezer. That really is an understanding guy!! You might want to keep that one /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Dry Clean Only]

/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif So sorry Beezer - Tig sounds like a great little guy. Its too bad he isn't quite the dream horse you expected.

Its too bad there wasn't thousands more people out there like you to take care of all the horses out there that deserve to live out their lives as lawn ornaments - Tigger is one lucky horse to have you!

[Merry]

Why is it I envision myself venturing up to the local cowboy-themed tack store to purchase yet another western headstall to reform yet another greenie warmblood into a wannabe western trail horse? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[elizabeth]

Oh Beezer, I'm sorry!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I'm very sorry. Poor you and Tiggy. . . .

But I GOTTA say, Tigs is one freakin' lucky horse b/c YOU, oh Beezerness, are the QUEEN of foot-problem managment.

You know you are. You know YOU will be able to keep Tiggyocity more comfortable (and maybe even "sound" once the ringbone settles!) than any other person could. And it sounds like Mr. Beezer is stepping up to the challenge, too! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A big hug to you, Beezer!

[DMK]

Beezer, I'm so sorry to hear the news about Tigger. I know how depressing it is when one of our home bred chilluns (as we say here in the South /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) doesn't turn out to be the horse we dreamed about for whatever the reason. However, as trite as it sounds, sometimes things happen for a reason, and the timing of Sam sounds like one of those kismet things.

And considering what a complete bunch of unredeemable idiots the horses at our farm were yesterday, you can have your pick of about 5 nice TBs (4 greenies, one made hunter). The pony was the only good one of the lot who was worth keeping, but that was only because he knew he was still in the doghouse from Monday's antics. Better come pick one out soon though - the rains are scheduled to hit in about 4 hours and I suspect they will be cooped up for the next 2 days. I shudder to think about the next time they get turned out.

Merry, I may be able to help you out... still have a lovely (vintage 1977) Circle Y saddle sitting in my garage. Most comfortable saddle I EVER sat on! And a honking big bosal and mecate, and a lovely, lovely set of ... WEIGHTED REINS!!! (I wonder if they are legal these days?) There's probably still a couple headstalls of the silver variety buried in that box somewhere too. Sadly all my bits went to my sister and have somehow disappeared over the years. Even the honkin' huge silver bit /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Merry]

Ick. All of our horses were wonkers yesterday, too, except Sam! He passed the "Wind Test" with flying colors. He may indeed be a keeper. Tonight he has to undergo the "Night Ride Under the Lights Test" with Beezer. Now why can't our other baby greenies have this laid-back approach to life? Oh wait. That's right. They're not big, fat Quarter horses. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I must now tear myself away from the computer and go for a ride to regain my sanity. I just finished writing two non-horse articles. This is what happens when editors know you'll write on just about any topic on a tight deadline. Yes, folks, I just composed articles on rototillers for a FARM magazine, and one on FLOWER SHOWS! Hey, at least the $ goes into the spring/summer horse show fund. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

Elliot amazing enough was not Wonky this week /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He had a great schooling with his wonderful trainer on Tuesday and was doing 3' courses /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
She said he is just stepping over anything smaller now, good for moi. Wont' jump me off now.
Although I dream and see myself eventually going higher with Elliot, I am not able to keep up with his JUMP at all over the higher ones.
Strange isn't it?
I'm mentally there, but physically just a jelly roll I guess. haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Elliot was very happy last night in his lesson with Mallory, getting ready for the schooling show on Sunday. Hoping that it does not snow this weekend. Or no show /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ACT * HTT
V. .V
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[Hopeful Hunter]

Well I think the wonkies all moved to Maryland with me today. Why is it that when TBs lose their brains, boy, they really lose 'em. We were going to take Ash and another TB, Beako, up to my trainer's trainer today for a lesson and look-see (she is probably going to show him this summer and wants her trainer's input on what we're doing with him. Works for me -- more free training!). Ash had eaten his breakfast and been turned out, so she brought him back in to do his mane, spiff him up, etc. when her trainer called to postpone.
Since she had to deal with the vet for a pre-purchase she left Ash in his stall with some hay. He wasn't alone -- Beako was also in his stall across the way -- but he was back in and his buddies were out and he was kind of upset about having his mane pulled and being made to stand
still.

Well. After the vet was done she called me to tell me we're postponed and to ask if I'm coming to ride, because Ash was "not really good" in his stall. So I popped right over instead of waiting. "Not really good" did not describe it! He wanted to go PLAY and he was PISSED. It took me 15 minutes to tack him up he was dancing so badly! This is not like this horse at all usually, so I knew our ride would be an adventure.

It was. He was a nut. NO attention span, no focus, totally tense, wanting to look out the door and go run with the other horses. I had to warn the people in the indoor (one other horse and his hapless owner) to basically watch out. Sure
enough, he took 3 steps of trot then blew into the canter, bucking and playing in each corner. I just let him go, then finally got a very forward trot. He was getting better, then he heard a horse outside, screamed (loooove the way the whole body vibrates when they do that, oh yeah) and took off again.

This went on for a while -- a bit more focus, them blammo. I was REALLY glad we have a nice, tiny indoor so he couldn't really let go and totally blow out. We finally set some poles and although he was still not really focused he went through them and I was able to get an actual canter each way, not a buckngallop. So I just gave up and quit there.

He was STILL a nut when I got back to the barn, though -- I actually had to have help to untack since I literally could not hold him. His training held and he was polite about being turned out but as soon as I released his head he went full gallop down to rear and strike at his playmates. *sigh* I THOUGHT he was a nice, quiet boy!

I don't even feel bad for him anymore that my trainer did order him a hood to try to minimize the bit marks on his neck from playing so hard (she wants him purty if they do show). One of the full over the face jobs, too. Serves him right. She didn't get the nice leopard print one, though -- she went tasteful. I think it will be either navy or hunter green with burgundy trim -- it'll match his other tasteful stuff but I personally think a bit of horsie humiliation wouldn't hurt.

I can hardly wait to see how "wonderful" he is for our lesson tomorrow. Oh boy...

[wtywmn4]

Hopeful we were just discussing the wonkies this pm. Seems our group went thru it yesterday. We had one poor soul who was slow to respond and today was his walk in wonkie land. Two tours on a lounge, several on's and off's by his rider, it was incredible. Nothing but nothing could get any one of them to behave yesterday. Was it the moon? Or what?? Simple things got them buzzed. Doors being closed on cars would send them scooting.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[DMK]

No, no... Wonkies just expanded to Maryland, they are still in Georgia...

The rains had not hit this morning, and it was 68 degrees ( /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif ) so I figured I better get a ride in while I could. The ring is rolled but still beyond wet from last rain, and I didn't want to tear it up before the next deluge hits, so I was just going to do a little walk and trot work, and stay out of the really wet spots.

So I guess that is why RV had to do his impression of Point Given today... Not the fast part, the AIRBORNE part (except he likes to add a little forward leap to the equation) /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I tried to 'splain to him how when you are from the last crop of Mr. Prospector, win millions of dollars, have testicles and romp home in the Belmont, you are permitted to cavort a bit more than, let's say, a gelding great grandson of Mr. Prospector who managed to only beat one horse in 5 starts...

When that failed, I re-acquanted his nose with my knee... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif We managed to finish with obediant, if not stellar and certainly not soft, work.

Yeesh! What he really needs is to rip around the pasture, but he has finally figured out that when it's this muddy he can't run without slipping. Failing that, he needs a really good LTD, but the ring just won't tolerate it right now. So the energy just keeps on building... Methinks it's getting to be like Three Mile Island.

I'm starting to understand why people used to give babies off all winter and stick with foxhunting (alcohol and ace probably makes that a pretty "doable" affair /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

Beexer - are you SURE you don't want to trade him for Sam????

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Beezer]

Good news: The Samburger passed the "riding under the lights at night -- OH MY!" test with, if not flying colors, at least an above-average grade.

The worst moment (for both of us) was when the neighbor's cat (well, I *assume* it was a cat!) hopped from the fence dividing the properties and landed on something metal with a big BANG! Poor Sam ... he did the "duck and cover" move, but because of his biomass, it was pretty easy to stick with him. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I got him stopped, he stood there a second with ears twitching and eyes bugging, then just heaved this heavy SIGH and shook his head -- which about shook me off. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif He was a little worried about going by that spot the next few times, but we worked through it.

The best part, though, was after we were done and QHSM and I were standing outside the ring looking at Sam. He's standing there with us, trying to be part of the conversation, and the next thing I know, there's this big, black nose trying to work its way into my sweatshirt pocket, because he's figured out that's where I often keep treats. Bad manners, yes, but how could I resist THAT??

Yup ... I think his butt is getting rather settled in the butter. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Duffy]

Don't know what possessed Gramento today. It was a good 20 degrees chillier than yesterday, the tractor was dumping gravel dust and gravel, complete with someone shoveling it out of the front loader right at the entrance to the barn. So, Gramento could hear it, but not see it and he still was about perfect today!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Maybe he knew I couldn't handle anything else today after staying up all night for Disney last night, after typing, coping, stuffing 150 folders for the Judges' Clinic! I knew I was probably going to be ok today when I got on and there was no hump under me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Duffy]

Awwww, Beezer! Sam sounds like a keeper to me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JustaLurker]

Yeah, Beezer! The way things are going, it sure sounds like Sam will be a keeper. How long before you have to suffer through the agony of the vet check? I'm afraid you'll be on pins and needles until you get the go ahead. There, no doubt, will be "issues" but hopefully they will be minor and things you can live with and manage. Temperament is Number One and it sounds like he has it in spades. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers, Maggi

[Hopeful Hunter]

awww, Beezer -- Sam sounds like a darling! When do you formally decide and finish his "adoption" process?

Ash was better today, but his rider was crap. I could not BUY a distance -- which of course was the problem. It's not about the distance with him -- it's the pace. Forgot that. The one time I did remember we finally got it right. But he did hack perfectly -- long loopy reins with a relaxed, stretched horse at the canter. Nice change from last night. And he's certainly scopey all right -- we did that collected 4/open 3 stride line in, umm, 2. Got a biiiiig jump out -- so big my trainer asked "isn't that scarier than crawling up the little fence? That was huge." Thanks, I hadn't noticed.

Oh well...one day we'll both be on form, won't we?

[wtywmn4]

Oh Beezer, sounds like the Samster is wiggling that black nose not only into your sweatshirt, but also into your heart. Not that Tigs isn't still there. Congratulations

[Bumpkin]

Sam sound simply wonderful!!!

No show for us this weekend, going to the same place next weekend now. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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[JumperEq]

Sorry to hear about the ringbone! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif At least he has a mommy like you! Sam sounds like a winner though! Gotta love the sane horses! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In other news, I *might* be buying Tot. It's a long story and were still in the process of working it out, but yeah. It's a strong possibility. I'm off to ride her pretty soon. Rode her yesterday, too. Jumped her over this little crosspole line and *GASP!* I actually stayed with her jump! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My mom keeps asking me how I plan on staying with her over 3'. Lots and lots of no stirrup work in my future. Haha....excellent.

.:Erin B #2:.
You cannot stop us, you cannot bring us down,
Never give up, we go on and on.

[Bumpkin]

Come over to Off Course and read Hoopoe's cute poem and have some Cyber Cake that Dublin baked me!!
And enjoy a lovely Starman Baby photo that So Easy sent me as a BDAY gift!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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[wtywmn4]

CONGRATULATIONS Bumpkin. The "over the hill gang" has a new member, oh and welcome /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Merry]

Today, my lovely, beautiful, A-circuit quality baby greenie hunter went totally wonkers. I led him out of his stall to his paddock. He was doing his "happy dance" all the way there. I put him in the paddock. I turned around to shut the gate. The guy who owns the cattle behind us was unloading a truckload of cattle feed in these big white sacks. Hambolarama catches sight of it, blasts forward, up/over/through the paddock fencing, tears down the barn aisle toward his stall, slides in the wet ground, spies Taylor (our cousin's gelding) in the arena where Beezer is setting jumps, and LAUNCHES over the arena railing into the ring! He runs up to the loose Taylor, who promptly kicks him. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Now mind you, our ring is kind of set down below the railing, and Hammie jumped diagonally across the fencing, about a 5' spread.

Good news: He escaped unscathed.

Most humorous part: Beezer goes, "Hmmm. Essentially jumping off a bank over a 4' fence. Maybe he should be an event horse." /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at." -- The Sundance Kid

[wtywmn4]

We bow to you almighty Wonker owning Queen

Now why pray tell, does not the Hambola have bumps scrapes dings and the like???????? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Maybe Beezer has a point?

[Bumpkin]

Merry I am impressed!!!
Perhaps Beezer is correct and you have found your ultimate calling!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


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[DMK]

Oops Merry... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I forgot to tell you - I sent ALL the Wonkers west via Fed X. I was just sick to death of them all /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RV was a champ /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We even did an itsy bitsy combination and he managed to rock back and put a little backup in the whole thing (did I mention it was sunny and 60+ degrees).

On the other hand, to hell with event horse for Hambolarama... Ever seen the bank to vertical at Spruce Meadows? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[LuckyMe]

Hey everybody...

I have been reading and was responding a bit, but unfortunately, my posts have not been showing up on the forum for the last two weeks! So who knows. I'm giving it another try and seeing if it works today....

Anyway, congrats to Beezer on the big black QH, sounds like a keeper to me! I'm a huge fan of the QH brain. So sorry to hear about Tigger, at least with you he's in good hands!

My own greenie was coming along nicely, having been undersaddle for about a month. She's been going western, neck reining like a pro! She was bred for reining, I have a feeling I might be making a career change. Unfortunately she's been on vacation the last week... swollen, ouchy hock. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Always something with these babies isn't it. Its not going away so the vet's coming in the morning to take a look.

Gonna try and attach a pic......

[JumperEq]

LuckyMe-
Folly is a cutie! Gotta love how greenies manage to hurt themselves... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

So it looks like we're going through with the Tot deal. I convinced my mom today that she's the horse I want. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif After my "trainer" (she who does not call me back...) said that Tot is a horse I'd never be able to trust, stating, "She'll pull her head right down and buck ya off", my mom was convinced she did not want to buy this horse. Well, HA Trainer Lady! Today we trotted and cantered around on a nice little loopy rein giving Tot all the chances in the world to buck me off, and not one single buck occured. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif She loves me, she loves trainer not. So now what I have to do is sell my all-too-expensive clarinet. Know anyone in the market for a lovely 2 yr old Buffet R13? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
You cannot stop us, you cannot bring us down,
Never give up, we go on and on.

[hunterprincez]

Well it seems that the wonkies have made it down to Houston. I went to ride my normally lazy pretty unflappable greenie Count today and he was anything but unflappale. It all starts as we are lungeing. He is running around like a psycho. Then the people across the street decide to fire up the chainsaw and cut down a tree. When that thing hit the ground Count who is finally starting to canter instead of run like a looney stops turns towards me and runs straight at me like I am going to save him. I jumped out of the way just as he flys by and he rips the lungeline out of my hand and take off for safer ground. Well I have to walk all the way across the pasture to get him and have to start the whole lunging thing again. Once he finally looks decent enough that I would consider getting on him the big Hell's Angels Brigade goes by our house. I thought I was gonna die there must have been about a 100 of these guys and I swear they were revving their engines as they went by. Finally I get him to calm down and we trotted around the field for about 30 min. Their was no way I was goung to try to canter. I'll save that for tomarrow. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Beezer]

That was one impressive effort by the Hambolarama ... I had a split-second to judge his diagonal-wise trajectory, realize that he was likely not gonna clear the ring rail AND the standard that was standing between me and him ... so I grabbed it, yanked it over ... and got a really good look at Hammie's feet and legs. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif That sucker never even broke stride when he hit the ground.

Of course, you have to realize that all of this was accompanied by sound effects: I hear Merry yelling, "Hammie! What is the matter with you?? Hammie, WHOA!" Then the crash of timber ... Merry yelling ... hooves thundering down the aisle, then this huge horse two-wheeling a corner, sliding in the grass as he attempts to hit the brakes (the furrows are MOST impressive!), taking one stride to gather himself and then LAUNCHING. From Merry's end of El Ranchito, she hears the thundering hooves and Beezer yelling, "Hammie! No! WHOA! HAMMIE NOOOOOOOOO...." She got there just in time to see him get kicked.

Meanwhile, Beezer hastens to point out, while everyone else on the place was snorting and leaping with tails over their backs, Sam -- who had a front-row seat to the proceedings -- continued eating, merely glancing up with a "Wow. Cool. Would ya look at that. Huh." Gotta love those Quarter horses! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Pocket Pony]

I just love your stories (and Merry's) about life at El Ranchito!!!! I can just picture Hammie's escape and the ensuing pandemonium!

Sounds like Sam is a real keeper - I can't wait to hear more stories about him!

On my personal baby greenie note...Mickey was so lazy and pokey on Friday that I was cantering him ON THE BUCKLE! There are a couple of hunters on the property who will go around on the buckle and I've always been jealous that I couldn't do that too. So Friday, he was soooooo quiet that I just let my reins slip, held the buckle in one hand and waved to my friend with the other hand...ah, yes, he was so relaxed that I thought there could be hope for him yet as a hunter.

Cut to Saturday's lesson - a whole 'nuther story indeed! Earlier in the day I had a fitting for a ReactorPanel saddle and tried a couple of them on Mickey. He seemed very happy - stretchy and bouncy and easily on the bit. He was very obliging while we rode outside in the rain (which we don't ususally do because the footing isn't great but there was a clinic in the indoor).
I came back for my lesson at 2:30, and when we went into the ring it was being groomed. We've been in the ring with the tractor before, no problem. BUT someone drove a pick-up into the ring to dismantle the jumps that had been set for the clinic. This entirely freaked Mickey out - he wouldn't stand still and he just wanted to hop, skip and buck his way around the arena. Mr. Giraffe-man wouldn't trot, so we cantered (if you could call it that) around and around and around and then just walked and let him settle. We actually finished up with a good jumping lesson, so I guess I can't complain too much...it was just so typical. I think I'm making a quiet hunter (Friday) to deciding we're going to have to go the jumper route because they don't take too kindly to giraffes in the hunter ring.

So yesterday I get to the barn and one of the girls who was in the ring at the time of our explosions commented to me "I just wanted to let you know that you're riding really well. Your horse looks difficult". Is that a back-handed compliment or what?! Well, gee - I'm glad you think I'm riding well, but please don't insult my horse, he's a baby greenie after all!!!
(I did have to explain to her that we were cantering on the buckle on Friday!!) /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

~ batgirl - formerly known as splendid ~

[Janet]

On Sunday, Belle did her first 3' jumper class. She was pretty good, and had no trouble with the height.

At this stage in her training, I WON'T ask her to "run" at anything, but I WILL ask for a really tight turn, and a moderately short approach. In the "time first round" course, you had an option of looping round 5 to the right to get to 6, or making a REALLY tight left turn after 5 to a very angled approach to 6. I planned to make the tight left turn, but then take my time getting a straighter approach to 6.

Belle said: "You want me to land and turn? NO PROBLEM!" and turned really sharply. I was expecting to have to work harder at it, and wasn't prepared for such a sharp turn. I ended up with my right foot still in the stirup, my left foot on top of the saddle, and my arms round her neck. She just stopped and waited: "OK, what's next?". I TRIED to pull myself back in the saddle, but just didn't have the right kind of strength, so I hopped off and remounted.

[LittleWitch]

It snowed here this weekend, so I went for a bareback trail ride on my greenie. We were accompanied by my friend riding my older trail horse. Along the way we encountered a terrifying snowman /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif . Neither horse wanted to go near it at first. Eventually, after much backing up and inching forward, the older horse touched the snowman's hand with his nose. Then they both got up the courage to walk around the snowman.

It is fun taking these two horses out together and seeing how they handle scary situations so differently. My greenie is naturally very confident but doesn't have much experience. The older horse tends to be very cautious but has seen just about everything. In the end, age and experience usually wins out over youthful arrogance.

[DMK]

LittleWitch - I bet "carrot noses" go a long way towards making snowman more "palatable" so to speak... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ah, I am thanking the Sun and Warmth Gods and Goddesses these days (really, don't you think it is a Sun & Warmth goddess, and a Hail, Snow, Sleet, Ice GOD?) My greenie is back to his normal old self (whew).

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[wtywmn4]

Excuse me, excuse meeeeeeee Wty says busseling about, we are in snow. Oh pleeeeeease tell us it ain't so??

Yes thats right here we are in snow alert once again, plus flurries falling. Waaaaaaaaaa, I wanna go to Indio....And know my horse would probably jump on the next van thru. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He stood staring at it. No snorting, spooking, just staring. Probably was in shock from seeing wet white stuff hitting the ground.

[LittleWitch]

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LittleWitch - I bet "carrot noses" go a long way towards making snowman more "palatable" so to speak... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LOL. If it is still snowing this weekend I may have to make a snowman in their pasture, with a carrot nose and horse cookie eyes.

[pkd]

Finally some baby greenies who are speaking my language! I read this thread when it started, but everyone seemed to be talking about horses who jumped around courses and only bucked in corners. Forget that!

I've got two girls. Zoe, a coming 6 BS Paint who was backed late and only ridden about twice a year in summers before I got her last may. Very fancy & too sensitive. Luckily she has no aptitude for airs above ground and her aim with her hind legs is only marginal! She is good at demolishing blankets. I'm checking out trainers for her.

Then there is Fleet, my sweet-pea. She's a 7yr old OTTTB, & the most quiet one you will ever meet. She's needs a ton of lateral work yet. Anybody got any suggestions on lateral exercises?

Hey DMK its been in the 60's in Harrisburg, PA all week!

[Bumpkin]

Love the snow, great for my Birthday, but....
We have to make this schooling show this weekend.
So snow is a nono /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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[Hopeful Hunter]

Not so hopeful of showing hunters after today...

Ash went with my trainer for a lesson at her trainer's today. It had been planned for last week, but cancelled, so this time we hauled
him and Beeko (another TB) up there. The trainer had seen Ash before --she doesn't love him, but doesn't totally hate him. Or she didn't :-(...

Ash was left in after finishing breakfast and his buddies all went out. Not good. He HATES being left inside -- probably makes him feel like
he's back on the track or something. So he was very anxious and hyper and had circled his stall to a lather. He trailered well, but he was
still a snortball with very little attention when he arrived at the farm.

He was definitely not at his best, and I have to say I don't think my trainer was, either. She hacked him around while we waited for her trainer, who was her usual 45 minutes late. Fortunately, I'd cleared the day so that was OK with me. When she arrived she had my trainer hack him and try to keep him more on the outside rein to keep him focused, which I certainly agreed with. He kept hollowing on her and just didn't go as well as I
know he can. When she lightened her seat and rode more from leg he didn't hollow so much, but overall he wasn't a lovely picture.

After doing a little crossrail they moved to a gymnastic. Trot pole to small cross rail bounce to one stride cross rail. The first time through, Ash came through the trot pole I thought way too slowly. Yup --he stopped in front of the first X. Just slowed and halted. The next time through I still didn't think he was quite ready, and he went over the first element but ran out of the second X in the bounce. So we dropped that one to a pile of poles, then he went right though. But it wasn't pretty. He did eventually go through the whole thing, with the second X set way up and the 3rd element set to a 2'6" vertical. And he looked good over those two parts of it.

Then they cantered over a couple of jumps -- again OK, but not lovely. He went over the blue astroturf covered barrels and rail just fine,
though, and even had a nice jump or two. The trainer noticed how very much more difficult he is to the right, and my trainer said she was working
her butt off to keep him cantering (maybe NOW she'll believe me when I tell her I'm working!). We ended when he got one very nice jump over the
barrels.

But....when she went to walk him out of the ring mounted and I forgot to mention how much he HATES puddles. There was one at the in-gate, which has a signficant hill sloping down. He came to the crest of the hill, saw the puddle, and balked. She put leg on, but he surprized her totally by jumping the puddle sideways from a standstill, and she came off. She landed on her side and says she's OK, but I'm sure she'll be bruised tomorrow from it. I feel really badly, but that's so often how
they do get the better riders off -- that unexpected out of the blue stuff.

She took Beeko out after that and hacked him. He want pretty well, and jumped rather nicely. But her trainer really hated him -- he's got no
stride and he's hot. Essentially she said he had "no quality" -- a bit harsh, I think, but he IS very short strided.

We discovered that while Ash likes to canter over the jumps long, Beeko will go through so tiny he's always on the half stride. For ex: Ash will
jump a bounce as a huge oxer; Beeko will try to make it a one stride. Our homework is to try Ash in a rubber bit to see if he stretches more easily in that and to do lots of trot spirals and then canter ground poles to get him to adjust. When he's asked to adjust right now, he'll hollow sometimes (not sure if he does it that badly with me -- I'll have to ask) and that messes up his striding and looks like crap.

And after all that fuss, Ash finally dropped his head and started grazing after I rubbed him down. He got so relaxed, in fact, that as I was watching Beeko go I heard and odd sound and glanced over to see no horse at the end of my lead rope, and followed the rope down to see Ash merrily rolling around itching himself. Why couldn't he relax like that BEFORE he went?!

So, overall, not the best day ever. Ash looked like, well, a plug, not a show horse at all. He exhibited pretty much no talent and very commonplace movement at best. Oh well, good thing I don't jump high since he didn't look like he had the talent today, and the As weren't in my future anyway.

[Merry]

pkd: Oh, nooooo! Not lateral exercises! I've sworn off teaching those ever, ever again. We now just pay the cowboy/reiner to teach them to move off/bend around your leg. If Douglas ever retires, I shall hang up my spurs. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Otherwise, I always remember when schooling a greenie: half-halt first to shift their weight back onto their haunches before I ask for any kind of lateral anything.


And I want Sam! He's clueless, but at least he's predictable! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

"You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at." -- The Sundance Kid

[LittleWitch]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bumpkin:
Love the snow, great for my Birthday, but....
We have to make this schooling show this weekend.
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I am in the Seattle area and I ride at Bridle Trails. The trails were beautiful, if a little muddy, in the snow.

I'll put in my request for no snow this weekend /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . Good luck at your show.

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:

And I want Sam! He's clueless, but at least he's predictable! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Step away from that big, fat, black horse, Merry! Step away! Go on, git! Put down that bridle and saddle and STEP AWAY FROM THAT BIG, FAT, BLACK HORSE!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Duffy]

Keep your mits off Sam, Merry! He is Beezer's baby!! Shame on you! Something tells me Beezer can take care of herself though. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gramento looked very excited to be leaving the farm when I loaded him on the trailer to go to Lexington today. He grew at least a hand or two and had that giraffe look going pretty well in the parking lot. Hopefully, he'll be a good boy and my trainers will let me hack him on Friday. They did tell me to bring my show clothes, so at least they're thinking positively! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beezer]

And I meant to post on the other thread that I think that your kid is GORGEOUS. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[wtywmn4]

Now Merry, be the nice sibling we all know you are. Leave Sam alone!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

We can find you a nice, plump sweet QH too. But Hambola will not like that one bit.

Lateral leg yields???????? You must be kidding. Only when one's horse is looking at something he would like to get to. Then we move over... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

LOL
Thank goodness Elliot is not too bothered by the avalanches coming off the arena roof today and last night.
He has been very good for two weeks now according to various reports from Megan our wonderful barn manager/groom, MJ a very honest fellow rider who would not say he was good unless he truly was and my trainer /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
When I was shocked at seeing him doing flying changes with the Bumpkinette in her lesson last night I arranged to watch trainer ride him today.
I am so happy.
Elliot jumped beautifully and my wonderous trainer said he is much more up in front now and really liking the bigger jumps.
So jangle those chains for Garmento and Elliot this weekend. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We won't let Merry take Sam away from you Beezer.


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[wtywmn4]

Curbs they are a jingling Bumpy

We have great feelins they will be wonderful!!

Boy when I read your Arena Avalanche Warning, thought it said Area Avalanche Warning. Scared me to death, was worried you were about to slide away in a white wave. Thankfully, it was only my eyes. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Duffy]

Guess who was Champion today, (albeit in a non-rated division),?!?!?! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Bless VTrider, who called me on her cell phone to give me a course commentary as Gramento went around his two rounds. The first one was a titch rough, with a couple simple changes and one definite WHOA in a line. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But, the second sounded great and it turned out that he WON that class!! Then, he won the under saddle. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm so proud of him. Hopefully, he'll be a good boy tomorrow when his mother gets to watch him! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I missed VTrider's second call and didn't get a chance to ask how her day was. SU - did you hear?

[Bumpkin]

I am sooo happy for you!!!

Have fun tomorrow dear. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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[Chef Jade]

Gramento is such a handsome man, I am not surprised he was champion!

[Bumpkin]

Hope that you are taking mega photos today Duffy dahling!!! LOL


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[Cinnybren]

Bumpkin, are you still planning on showing this weekend? If so good luck to you too! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Brenda & Murphy

[wtywmn4]

Yeah Gramento Oh congratulations Duffy thats wonderful! He's such a handsome horse....When's his next show??

[Janet]

Congratulations Duffy

[JumperEq]

That's so awesome!

.:Erin B #2:.
You cannot stop us, you cannot bring us down,
Never give up, we go on and on.

[LaurieB]

We would love to see some pictures.

[Bumpkin]

Congratulatons for a FABULOUS FRIDAY also!!!

What a wonderful start to 2002!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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[Duffy]

Oye - Would you believe my camera wouldn't work for VTrider, who was all prepared to take some pics of me actually hacking Gramento? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Oh well! I do have live witnesses anyway. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He was AWESOME!!!! He won 3 out of 4 jumping classes, had a slight rub in the other and was 2nd in that one. (My trainer showed him o/f.) I hacked him in both divisions with a 4th in the first division and 2nd in the second division. He was incredible! I think I need to find out who this judge was so that I can follow him all over the country! I think he's from Louisiana? Anyway, Gramento was Champion in both of his divisions yesterday. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[elizabeth]

Good for you! But sadddddness on the camera front! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif