Baby Greenie Support Group now open: Share Your Pain!

[SoEasy]

I think your Merry is named Eric .... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[JustaLurker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
I am getting more and more excited about keeping Sophie Moose, so I have started to think of a name for her. Since I have constantly told her that she is a sweet darlin' but not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I thought I would have a private little joke and name her after the sharpest knife in the world. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

_KYOCERA_, nope.

_SABATIER_, nope.

_MONTROSE_, the "strongest knife made, perfect! It's a lovely name for a lovely filly and certainly can be barn named into Sophie.

Gosh, Pam, going from a quick sale to great excitement because of her probable talent is quite something! She's such a pretty filly, I'm it was hard to give up and think you may have made a mistake in buying her in the first place. To find you may well have been right is wonderful.

So, good luck with her!

[Merry]

Lucky Me: Hey, there are times I climb (no, make that jump) off a horse that's about to go ballistic on me. Did you miss the posts a while back where we all chatted about the "MRL"? That's the Mid-Ride Lunge. Then you can get back on and continue. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Have you heard the saying from Shakespeare: "Discretion is the better part of valor"? That applies to baby horses. Some riders may LOOK brave, but actually, much of that perception results from them using discretion-- making choices-- about when/who/what to ride.

I agree with Laurie and Beezer. To paraphrase Shakespeare: "Get thee to a trainer!" It sounds like your horse needs to have a few things about Life made clear to her. Use a reputable western/reining trainer if necessary. Some are quite good at just getting a horse really well broke and responsive. Then watch and ride under their tutelage. Your horse may be getting bored and sour about all the ground work. It may need some real structure and direction about now.

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Lord Helpus]

Lucky Me,

I have probably lost a few too many brain cells to be scared with training most greenies -- even thinking of a future with Sophie Moose when she has never been backed and I am too weak from a mystery illness to even post right now...

But, that being said: If you are nervous, they know it (as you know) and no good will come of it. Hie thee to a trainer -- one who specializes in starting young/problem horses. Give him/her a bit of time with your baby and then go watch as many session as you can. See what he/she is doing. Ask a ton af questions and then, under their supervision, start at the point where you are right now and work together under guidance once your baby has manners.

Only when you realize that you have the ability to control your greenie should you bring her home again. But be prepared to go back for a check up if thing start to go awry.

"Fearless" as I am, Mikey scared me when I first got him as a 2 year old and I shipped him off for respect training. I went to watch every session and when he respected someone with more authority, I began to handle him, under her guidance. He is now a pussy cat, a veritable "old shep" at the age of 4. A kid could crawl under his belly and tickle it and he would not move. But it took someone with knowledge of handling such a problem horse to get him over his attitude problem. (This happened to be a person trained in the John Lyons methods). And it only took 10 days.

Good Luck

[DMK]

Agreed with everyone else, Lucky Me! Get thee to a trainer!!

But as some have pointed out, the most important thing you can do is to spend a lot of time working with that trainer too. If he/she is a good one, they will understand exactly why that is most important.

Also, you may want to get a book on conquering fear around horses - I thought Janet Edgette wrote a good one, but there have been a few threads on this topic, so a search may be in order!

Probably the reason why Merry, Lord Helpus and myself (thanks LaurieB /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) are so comfortable dealing with greenies is because this is the devil we know, and we know our limits. We've been down this road before! Fear-wise, I would rather trot an unorganized, klutzy oversized 4 year old OTTB through his first gymnastic than jump my made horse over a 3'6 oxer ANY day of the week.

There are quite a few people who think that is not a normal outlook on life, but I know Merry and Lord Helpus understand where I am coming from /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[LuckyMe]

Thanks so much to all you guys for responding so quickly and thoughtfully! I'm feeling a little better, was about ready to give in this afternoon but maybe I can find a way to work this out.

I've always liked greenies because they were like a clean slate, whereas riding older, problem horses meant dealing with all sorts of quirky issues that were often dangerous, engrained, and hard to break. I should have stuck to the greenies-- it was while riding really rank auction horses last spring that I ended up in trouble, on a horse that had no sense of self-preservation....Now any sort of unpredictability of any kind just freaks me out!

My mare is a pretty mover and very athletic-- I bought her with the hopes that someday she'd make it to the hunter ring and be competetive, at least on the local circuit. (which she should be capable of!) Now all I want is something I can hack quietly a few times a week....in another five years she may be that horse, but its going to take a lot to get there. (for both of us.) Someday my goals might change again and I might want to get back into more competetive riding, but for now all I want is a trail horse! (Merry...once Barbie gets over her "random explosions" send her my way! At least then I can hack in style!!)

I think its worth it to give the trainer thing a shot before I go making any decisions about selling her. I could use the training as much as she does.

Thanks again for letting me butt into your thread, good to know I'm not alone in this!

[DMK]

Lucky Me, I think I have come to the conclusion that there are NO clean slates unless you breed 'em and raise them yourself! Ask a friend of mine who started an unbroken hand raised orphan foal. My goodness, if you ever want to participate in a major effort in training a greenie, try tackling a spoiled rotten horse who has NO concept of the "normal" boundaries between man and horse.

Since that time, I learned that the "new & improved" way to raise an orphan is to put them in a "people free" area and bucket nurse them with other orphans if a nurse mare is not available. The last option is to hand raise them. Makes for lousy behaviors later in life, and I have seen it in a few orphan babies! At any rate, watching her "clean slate" has made me thank the gods I only have to undo all the track behaviors /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[LuckyMe]

DMK..... we have an orphan foal at our barn, a really lovely colt, but his six months thus far has been a struggle.

He was bottle fed, then weaned onto a bucket. Unfortunately he is always wanting to suck on people, fingers, clothes, you name it. He's too used to people for his own good and his owner is going to have her hands full when he's bigger and stronger!

[Keeper]

LaurieB and Merry-- thank you for your replies to my question from last week. Just back from Thanksgiving, so I am sorry it took so long to say thank you.

I'll just keep plugging along!

[Merry]

Hammie's 1/2 sister is a gorgeous, tall, leggy, yearling ORPHAN! I swear, I've already put the kybosh on that thing. I believe it will be hanging out at the reining trainer's next summer. Of course, he's already announced that he doesn't want her! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Yup, that one can be Beezer's. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And why does everyone want the Barbie Cow? I mean, everyone who sees her falls in love with her. Can they not see the bovine-ness inherent in her gaze? Do they not recognize the dumber-than-dirt mentality? Why doesn't anyone want to climb aboard the breedy, alert, keen and refined Hambola Virus? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P.S. To "Lucky Me" and "Keeper": Hey, you can "butt into" our thread anytime. It's a support group, you know. The more of us holding hands, the more good mojo!
"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuckyMe:
Merry...once Barbie gets over her "random explosions" send her my way! At least then I can hack in style!!
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Now, LuckyMe, did you make this "demand" in it's proper form, i.e. add the royal wave/flick of the wrist? Because you have to add that dismissive "deal with it" gesture to truly get your point across. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and Sister Dear, I believe the BOOOOOOOTIFUL orphan has long been my responsibility. She will just become YOURS when the time comes to actually get on her. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And, uh, about this:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:

And why does everyone want the Barbie Cow? I mean, everyone who sees her falls in love with her. Can they not see the bovine-ness inherent in her gaze? Do they not recognize the dumber-than-dirt mentality? Why doesn't anyone want to climb aboard the breedy, alert, keen and refined Hambola Virus? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like what ... you think we're STUPID?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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[TrickOfTheTrade]

Getting ready to go show for the weekend!!! Yeah!!!
It will be my second real jumpignshow on Trick and we will be doing the Long Stirrup and if I am confident enough we might try the low Childrens.
The last few months my trainer has taken me to a bunch of little schooling shows to get me relaxed again!! I had to do the hunter hack which helped a lot. The little place in Chino had the fences set as an in-and-out so getting over them helped me so much.
We leave Thursday so I will get to ride at Show Park that afternoon and do warmups all day Friday and I know I will jump the fences over and over so they won't be a problem durning the show!!!
I am soooo excited!!!!!!!

My mom is going to take lots of pictures and I will post them as soon as they get developed.

[LaurieB]

Good luck, TrickOfTheTrade! I hope you have a great time. We'll be waiting for those pictures. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

Hey, if you're showing at Showpark this weekend, make sure you're boots are really clean and your hair is tidy under your helmet and your hands are nice and quiet for equitation. Why? Because my girlfriend is judging, and those are some of her pet peeves. She's been known to actually wipe her hand across rider's boots to see if they've had the dust knocked off. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[infinitymax]

My daughter's greenie is finally coming together and she wanted to post some pic's of Max's better show day. This was his first time doing Low Hunter and he did very well that day. Max just turned 4 in july and Sophia has been working very hard with Max. These are only 2 ft. jumps but our trainer is taking things slow with Max. Max placed very well out of 17 he placed 5 and 6 over fences and 3rd on flat. One of the pics over fences is an eq. class, I'm not sure which one but Sophia would appreciate and comments. She did place well in her class I believe she got a third. Max's knees aren't where we want them yet and I'm hoping with time and highter fences this will come. These pics aren't the clearest, they are from a video. As some of you already know Max is only 15 hands, keeping fingers crossed that he might still grow.

Sophia M. Taylor

[infinitymax]

here's another

Sophia's mom

Sophia M. Taylor

[infinitymax]

and another

Sophia's mom

Sophia M. Taylor

[infinitymax]

last one!!


Sophia's mon

Sophia M. Taylor

[Beezer]

Oh, very nice, Infinity! Your greenie looks like a very nice match for your daughter. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh, speaking of photos, Merry ... when are you going to post the pictures of your new Arabian hunter, Hammiesabe+++ ?? I hear that he is quite the thing! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[LaurieB]

Now, I know all you people do this all the time, but I don't so please bear with me. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Today I had a lesson where we were going to jump. (leg yielding yesterday, more leg yielding tomorrow, but today, jumping. Hooray!) The jumps were set low, about two feet, so I figured we were going to work on something like corners (possible use for all that leg yielding? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) or pace.

My trainer had me jump once around, then came out and started raising everything... to three feet. Now the last time I jumped three feet was... um, maybe 1970? Tess and I usually school over two six, with occasional forays to two nine, and we hope to be doing the A/As by the end of next year, or maybe the beginning of the year after.

So this was a big deal. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Well, for me, anyway. Tess couldn't have cared less. She jumped around like it was nothing. I just knew she was thinking, "Finally you people get around to giving me something big enough to get my attention."

She was so good. I was so proud of her. (And me too, actually. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) What a great day. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Bumpkin]

I know how excited you must be!!!

I am in the same boat with a greenie like Elliot and not having really ridden since 1976/77 and doing our first show in L/S this past September.

You are going to going around with that wonderful feeling for many days, and I am so happy for you and Tess!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As my trainer tells me after a good lesson, "go home and fall asleep dreaming about it".

I know when we do something like 3' we shall be on here telling everyone also!!!

Congrats!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[LaurieB]

Thanks Bumpkin! I feel so silly getting all excited over such a little thing but, boy it feels great. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[DMK]

Well then LaurieB - we expect to see you in the A/As in 2002!!!

Congrats!!

Beezer? Does Merry have a son of the legendary Khemosabi+++????? All flash and fiery eyes, with the tail rucked up over the back???? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif And in the hack class no less...

[Merry]

Oh Bumpkin, it'd be just too cool if we should ever cross paths in the show ring with our babies! You're not THAT far away that it's impossible. Your Elliot always sounds like such a sweetie... especially compared to my horse. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Yes, folks, I just received my photo proofs from the county championship at Del Mar. Hammie looks really cute over his fences. Actually, he looks like an Arabian! He's very round, with this really arched neck and pricked ears, and his tail is kind of "up". Hence, he has a new nickname:Hamosabi +++ /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I shall post photos tomorrow and you'll see what I mean.

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

I think Elliot and I would stumble all over ourselves to have the honour of showing in the same arena!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Elliot is a sweetie, of course unless our trainer is there speaking with us we shuffle along like a pair of goons trying to look like we know what we are doing, while everyone else is busy and working away at shoulder ins etc....

Otherwise he is the most wonderful greenie that any ammy could ask for.
He is sensitive, yet very forgiving of any rider errors and will gleefully go over the jump with some mixed messages from me /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Hammie is as well suited for your personality as Elliot is for mine.
I think you would be quickly bored with my little fat bay horse /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Where Hammie gives you hours of pleasure figuring him out and strutting your stuff, i.e. what you two have accomplished that day!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


DAILY INSPIRATION

Reach high, for stars lie hidden in your soul.
Dream deep, for every dream precedes the goal.

-Pamela Vault Starr

[LaurieB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bumpkin:

Hammie is as well suited for your personality as Elliot is for mine.
I think you would be quickly bored with my little fat bay horse /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Where Hammie gives you hours of pleasure figuring him out and strutting your stuff, i.e. what you two have accomplished that day!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Good point, Bumpkin. Reading through these posts, one thing that stands out to me is how well each of us has chosen our respective greenies. Despite the inevitable trials and tribulations, everyone seems to have a mount that really suits them.

[Merry]

Oh Bumpky, I'm just waiting for Beezer to come on and post something like, "Yeah, Hammie and Merry get along because they're both spoiled and obnoxious." /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But it's true. Although he's a royal pain sometimes, he is indeed my kinda horse. And no one would EVER be put to shame by competing against me, LOL! When I'm on a horse that cooperates halfway, sure, I win high prizes. But trust me-- I'm an embarrassment to myself, my family and my trainer at regular intervals. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Beezer]

SHE BEAT ME TO IT!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Took the words right outta me mouth.

Oh, yes ... Hammie and Merry, soulmates united at his birth! And you are soooooo right, Bumpky: QHSM, our coach and I have long said that Hammie is PERFECT for Merry because she would become bored with a "normal, cooperative" horse. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Those are BOOOOOORING.

Spoiled and obnoxious. Yup, that about covers it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[BustersMom]

My baby greenie whose antics were first discussed on page 2 of this post has spent the last month with a cowboy who is working with his attitude. We tried unsuccessfully to work with his issues for 4 months so we called in a "Buck Braneman" type who has worked extensively with him on the ground. He doesn't anticipate that there will be any problems. This weekend, my daughter is taking him to a little 'open' show complete with barrel racing. He will be there with her. My daughter has very serious confidence issues which may not be overcomable with this horse but it they are going to succeed, tomorrow is the make or break day.

PLEASE send all your positive thoughts this way.

Member of the Baby Greenie Support Group

[Duffy]

Awwww, BustersMom! Many positive thoughts will be sent your way!!!! We'll be thinking about ya'll. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[LuckyMe]

Hello all, just wanted to give you a brief update.... Found someone to work with me and my mare and hopefully we'll get things back on track! I've known this woman for many years-- her mom originally taught me to ride some 12 odd years ago and she has since taken over the program. A friend of mine suggested I get in touch with her about my mare...I don't know why I didn't think of her sooner!!

So anyway I'll let you know how things go, have to finalize a few details with her but we should be getting things rolling asap....

Thanks again for all the replies and support. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Merry... how bout some pics of your BarbieCow??

[Merry]

Whoopee for BustersMom and LuckyMe! So your "kids" are going to private school!

The Buck Branneman guy may work wonders. I had to giggle about your daughter going to a little open show "complete with barrel racing." LOL, that sounds exactly like the first shows we take our babies to! We always get these stares. People will ask, "What kind of a horse is that?" /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So, Lucky Me wants Barbie Cow pics. Hmmm... Guess what? One of the equestrian photographers that I work with loves Barbie. She's shooting photos for some trail riding journal (is there such a thing?). Anyway, guess who is going to be in the spread? Me on the Cow Beast in our western get-up, out on the trails! Hopefully, her warmblood brand won't show. *sigh* /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[LuckyMe]

Oh goodness Merry I'm starting to get the feeling that dear Barbie really *doesn't* have any hunter-ring aspirations! Perhaps its all the rugged cowboys in tight jeans that she likes!

Can't help but laugh, don't think I've ever seen a Hano in western tack!

(Rather ironic really, as my filly is an entirely western-bred QH. I got a really good deal on her because her breeders thought she was too tall, lanky, and too big a mover to make it in the reining ring. I have had more people ask me if she's an OTTB than I can even count!)

[Beezer]

Barbie Cow doesn't really seem to mind jumping. She doesn't really seem to mind hacking. It's just that she seems to mind doing those disciplines under "Merry Rules"! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Basically, if you just kinda let her go along as she wants to go along and ask for things only occasionally and softly (the Beezer school of riding greenies unless Merry's around watching /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ), she's a pretty happy camper. But she considers Merry MUCH TOO demanding with too many Merry rules (you know, you will travel straight on a straight line, you will bend in the corners, you will give with your jaw -- those kinda rules /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif ). And since Merry is not about to allow Barbie to play by any other rules than Merry Rules ... well, that's when the fireworks begin. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So ... fix that, Merry dear. Beezer does not "do" Barbie Cow tantrums. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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[BustersMom]

Merry, Back in the dark ages, when I rode a "pleasure pony" I went to lots of these "open shows." Kate has no idea what she is going to see. I will bet the look on her face will be similar to the look on the greenie's face when the lasso passed over his OTTB head.

I will keep you all posted.

Member of the Baby Greenie Support Group

[RumoursFollow]

So, my horse was going GREAT up until the rain started here last week (and a half). Walk trot cantering like a pro, much to the shock of everyone around us.

Even better, I was finally making progress with the stallion.

Fast forward to monday- 5 days since the stallion has been ridden. Prepared at first for him to be a fruitcake, I get on, ride around, walk trot, no problem! Much to my shock I think I might be training this guy to go around. Well.. seems I spoke too soon. As we go to take jst a few steps of canter down the long side, he takes about 8 steps and I was like wow that was too perfect I'm going to stop while I'm ahead. Somewhere inbetween my asking him to trot and him not listening.. he managed to buck/twist me off. I have not been bucked off in years!!!

Well.. supposedly I managed to fall off of him 3 times before I actually rode through his saddle bronc display... except I dont remember anything from being in the air the first fall to about 10 minutes after I got back on the third time. I learned I'd fallen off that many times when I said "what exactly happened for him to get me off like that" and my customer replied.. "which time??"

Oi... what a great way to start my professional career. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

2 broken ribs and a mild concussion. Could be much, much worse! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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I cant take it anymore - its
back to the old name for me.
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[LaurieB]

I've had that concussion, and those broken ribs sound painful. I hope you're taking some time off to heal before resuming your (new) professional career and that you feel better soon!

[Beezer]

But I am gratified to learn that it was not that darling pinto that Merry and I covet who did the damage to you!

Please take care ... and BTW, this should give you a good occasion to practice that dismissive wave/wrist flick motion and say, "Fix that!" /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[TrickOfTheTrade]

My show got rained out!!!!:(
To much rain for Show Park I guess. I am so bummed out. Me and Trick were so ready to go.
Hopefully we will go to a small rated show next weekend and if it rains they have an indor so they will have the show no matter what. Hopefully I can get off work so I can go.
If I do go it will be very exciting because their classes all go outside in their grass ring with way fun jumps. My horses first time on grass, but he dosen't care about anything so its me I'm woried about. More later... its bed time!

[Merry]

Oh, Rumors, sounds like cantering was just way too much fun for your horse! Hammie always-- always--- pitches in the warm-up ring when I first go into the canter. But he doesn't actually buck. He hasn't really bucked at the canter since his first couple of shows, when he nearly unloaded me. I'm now so used to it that I can hold a conversation with someone on the ground while I pitch around like a rodeo queen. It's quite amusing, actually. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Trick, so sorry about your show! Major bummer. Man, the folks back east must think we're major wusses.

And Barbie Cow does indeed jump, although at 3 I'm not really working on that right now. We're doing great just going forward and being STRAIGHT when cantering to the right. I mean, I don't want my cow looking like a crab as it canters down to a jump. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[JumperEq]

I went to ride the Tater Tot (wait, is that how you spell "tater"....I don't know). After my 45 minute drive up to the barn, it starts raining instead of just drizzling. Of course the indoor isn't done yet (brand new barn...footing has yet to arrive so it's currently beach sand, cuz yes, we live on Lake Michigan). I thought "Forget this, I *will* ride today". She was quite the happy horse about getting outside and we perfected our jig during the warmup, and what a perdy jig it was. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Finally, once I started working her and asking her to do something that involved her brain, she settled down. I did mostly trot work, as she's still turning like a bus (but MUCH better...yay!!!!). Did a tiny bit of cantering at the end and wanted to see if she knew anything about flying changes. Whoa...... Tater Tot does them like ain't no thang. So I pushed it and tried getting them on a straight line. No problemo. My eq horse had more problems with them than that after 4 years!!! This horse hasn't really been worked with in 2 years and she's got them down like nothing. My mom's explanation for this is "she's a smart horse." Yes yes, a smart horse that I now love like no other. My mom's a bit in love with her, too. Her whole maternal instincts of feeding her "kids" is coming in and Tot (being the rolly polly beast she is) looooooooooooooooves my mom. Oi.... Attached find a (very blurry) picture of the two of them.

.:Erin B #2:.
"When you get to the end of all the light you know and it's time to step into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing that one of two things shall happen: either you will be given something solid to stand on, or you will be taught to fly."

[LaurieB]

For me yesterday was one odd day, including the scariest horse related incident I have ever been a part of. I'm sitting here with a stiff neck (probably whiplash) knowing that, all in all, I got off really lucky.

The day started with me Tess taking out on the trails, and into a big empty pasture behind my barn manager's house where we've been many times before. She was being her usual silly, spooky trail self which never really bothers either of us(I didn't buy her for her trail going skills /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ). We got to the top of a hill where there's always a barking dog and where, yesterday, there was also incredibly loud Mexican music playing as well as a lady raking leaves.

So Tess did the jig and spook thing and I brought her around again to make her go by nicely. On the third pass, she was so calm, so quiet, that I got started talking to the lady about the nice weather when all of a sudden BOOM! something spooked Tess and we were off like a shot. The odd thing was that although I stayed in the saddle, my head just snapped back like it had no intention of coming along for the ride. Next thing I know, I'm galloping full speed down a hill looking at sky and cannot seem to get myself righted.

Years ago, I had a somewhat serious neck injury and my neck muscles have been weak ever since. It must have taken me three or four strides to get my freakin' head back up which was the wierdest feeling. Hence today's stiff neck which, thankfully, is holding its own and does not seem to require one of those collars.

Ahh, but my day wasn't over yet. Got back to the barn, hosed Tess off and went to let her have some grass. My trainer comes walking by on another client's horse, a 17 hand gelding who for some unknown reason thinks he's a stallion. Tess is just standing there eating grass when, out of nowhere, this horse whirls around and tries to attack her. Thank God for my trainer who, when the gelding went up in the air, striking out with both front feet, managed to pull him off balance enough that he didn't land on Tess's back (as was obviously his plan.)

Instead he landed where I'd been standing seconds earlier and believe me, that is the last time in my entire life that I want to look up and see hooves waving above my head, especially coming from a horse who's striking blindly at anything within reach. My trainer's yelling, "Go! Go! Go! Get her out of here!" as this horse whirls and tries to kick out at us.

Then Tess and I are running away with this idiot trying to chase us--or alternatively rear up and throw himself over on my trainer who is not letting him chase us and all I can think is, if he gets away from her we're both dead. Which thankfully, he did not. I have never been so grateful for my trainer's talents. Funny the way adrenalin works. I started shaking about half an hour later, and shook for the rest of the day.

Sorry for the extra-long post. I think I'm still in semi-shock from the whole experience. Tess, meanwhile, seemed relatively unaffected. Go figure.

[LaurieB]

Bumpkin, I'm not sure bravery had anything to do with it--in either instance. Just gut reaction which, thankfully, worked well enough. Tess doesn't really run away; it's more that she goes several quick strides and then comes back into my hands. This was the first time I ever felt like I'd just been shot out of a cannon. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

Well guess it is Sunday night so I shall confess on my greenie and I.

Hoopoe was at our lesson today.
So I shall not lie....

We did some flat work, and it was fun. Elliot is moving on more, and when we click it feels sooooo right. Otherwise I feel/know we are trying but not quite there.

Then we jumped a bending line which consisted of a trot X pole with about two strides and bend to the left over a vertical with a panel and pole set at probably 2'9", the total should be a 6 stride. Think of a boomerang.

All I can say is the bend was suppose to be taken in a nice 6, we got 5, we got 7, we got some ohhhhh let me circles.....cringe, we got a 6 with a lovely buck afterwards.
I think we finally got it in the nice 6 acouple of times and quit on a good note.

I have found out, haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif , you can be unbalanced as a rider and do lines and diagonals just fine, when you do a bending line you better keep that heel way down and be really balanced!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Even though Elliot felt a bit fresh today and liked to bolt and buck in a friendly manner, this horse should get an award for being the most honest and forgiving horse.
As hard as this line was for me, I never felt any fear of the jumps, because I know he will take me over it.

Yes thats why I love him so much /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[BustersMom]

Well, our little outing went well for the horse. We didn't ask for much but what we did ask for went very well.

The child....that is where I need to work now. She was so busy anticipating problems she was her own worst enemy. Sigh

Why don't both of my 'children' get on the same cycle? What's a mother to do? If I am not careful I will end up in the Long Stirrup (how many years out of showing does it take to be in this catagory?) or the Nervous Adult Division.

Member of the Baby Greenie Support Group

[wtywmn4]

Oh Rumours, is there anything like a cowboy down your way? They really do help for the bronco billy manuevers. Our bodes just don't seem to respond to these, ie: falls.

BustersMom, well at least she made it thru. Being one of those, "own worse enemy types", I can relate. One of the lovely reasons I pick. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Hey if it ain't wrong, by god I will make it that way. Bless my current steed who has the patience of a saint. He finally had had it on thur. Gave me a buck after one of those illustrious, lets pick down to nothin fences. Is it the A personality traits that make us like this?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[BustersMom]

and I understand that my philosophy since I passed 30 and rode regularly is: If you don't see your spot, slow down and pic-pic-pic until you get something you think you can survive. My experience is that I can usually make a 6 stride line is say 9 or 10. This usually results in getting in way too tight and my super athletic horse jumping like a Kangaroo and me getting jumped out of the saddle, thus re-enforcing the pic pic pic technique. Fortunately for me, my old guy lands straight and catches me. (BTW, just let me trot everything and I do just fine) I must be a casualty of having to work and not getting to ride.

Guess I will invest in some lessons for me and the greenie and see how it goes. He is actually a much more talented horse and when I have ridden him previously and is incredibly soft over his fences.

Member of the Baby Greenie Support Group

[Bumpkin]

How long does one stay in L/S?

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Not that I am ready to leave it after not showing for 25 plus years.

When there is a course of 3'6" jumps set up in the arena, they look mighty "LARGE"!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif hahaha

[Duffy]

I think the "saints" of horses should have their own thread! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Elliott can be the first member! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ooooh - LaurieB!!! EEEEKS!!!!! How is your neck feeling now?

Poor Rumours!!! How are you feeling?

I think I must be missing a few brain cells, because I had my first outing (ie - pseudo trail and down driveway, etc. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) with Gramento this weekend, with my daughter on her pony, BAREBACK! Oye! Pepper escorted us, cavorting in the leaves and generally dashing about. He didn't phase my guy or Mini, luckily. Nor, did the stupid sheep running across their field, complete with bells on!

I was very proud of him! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Bumpkin]

You were riding Gramento BAREBACK???!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Wow Duffy you are brave!!!!

[Duffy]

God, NO, Bumpkin!!! My daughter was riding her pony, Mini, bareback. Pas moi!!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Merry]

Wow, the baby greenies and their moms were busy this weekend! In comparison, my weekend was rather dull. My neck didn't get snapped (although I've been in that movie before), a berserk horse didn't chase me, I didn't attend a schooling show, and (thank goodness) I didn't have to jump any bending lines! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

We are grown women. We ride baby greenies. We are insane. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[LaurieB]

Duffy, my neck feels much better today. Lots of aleve and no quick movements over the weekend have patched me up well enough to go back to riding.

Bumpkin, here in Georgia (GHJA) you can ride in the Long Stirrup division for two years. Then you progress into another division called Junior/Senior (all these added options that didn't exist when I was last showing in the 60s!) where the jumps are either 2'6" or 2'9", your choice.

It's a great way for returning elders to work their way back up to normal size fences--you know, the ones the little kids are doing. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

Sounds like a good way to do the L/S division.
I have no idea if the WSHA is that way in my state or not.
Guess I shall be finding out, haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Atleast it isn't like my day where you started at 3'6", which is my goal /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif , but a far off one. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[just_me]

I just got around to reading this thread. Several of the posts on the first page sound just like Harvey.

All I can say is that it's so frustrating sometimes. My daughter (we both ride him) is even more frustrated than I am. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I wish the big lightbulb would go on over his stubborn horsey head cause I know he can be awesome. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beezer]

Poor Tigger. Poor, poor Tigger. Since it's been raining, all the jumps are out of ring. So he's really been having to concentrate on the intricacies of flatwork ... you know, serpentines (which in Tigger-speak are known as "serpent's teeth"), figure-eights (better known to Tiggers as "figure-eggs" because that's often the shape they end up), simple changes (ain't nothing "simple" about them, he says) and leg yields (from his viewpoint, his mom's leg is pretty darn UN-yielding!).

He says he's being forced to think so much, his brain is on fire! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

****Bulletin Board Goddess****

[Merry]

Hey, Bumpkin, you can come show down in our area! We have a quite a few "lifers" in the long stirrup division. There's certainly nothing wrong with that in my opinion, either. I think adults should ride/jump where they feel comfortable. Now, if you win everything show after show, then we'll have to chase you and Elliot out of the arena with a pitchfork! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LaurieB, I'm glad your neck is feeling okay. I was wondering if you were going to be forced to ride in a cervical collar.

Alas, poor Tigger did indeed have to do leg yields the correct way.Why? Because I was present, and would not permit Beezer to allow Tigger to just poke his shoulder and fall to the side. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

I definately do not want to stay in L/S!!!

I plan on getting very confident in the L/S and hopefully moving up.
I don't know if in our area that move up is A/A, or if there is another division in between the two or not.

Elliot doesn't even jump the 2'-?" that the L/S is, and I feel I would be wasting him in that division.

I am leaving all choices of where we enter up to my trainer though.
Since most of the other ladies in our barn pretty much show in the Jumpers and Event, I think she has no qualms moving us up if we need to.

She does not push or scare us at all, but slowly builds that confidence back up.

Another lesson tonight after my realization that my balance leaves MUCH to desire!!!

[Janet]

Belle noticed the cows
and sheep
and goats
in the model farm at Frying Pan.

We intended to school the cross country course (and we did, later), but first we spent about 15 minutes staring at the livestock. Then trying to run away. Then trembling. Then taking a step toward them. Then trying to run away again.

There was one hilarious moments when Belle and a brown cow were staring at each other. At EXACTLY the same moment they each took a step toward the other, then paniced and turned to run away.

Better now than when we are trying to do a dresage test in the field next to the model farm!

The CC school went great though. We went over several Training fences out beyond Newsomes Gap, the new fences in the cow field (with MORE cows in it), and even popped (at a VERY slow trot) over the Prelim "log on a lump". We finished with Lovers Leap.

[LaurieB]

Don't even get me started on the subject of Tess and cows. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

She has yet to see a sheep or a goat. So much excitement still ahead of us. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

Ah, Janet, I must say your experience warms my heart. So I'm NOT the only one with an occasionally panic-striken young horse! Phew!

I don't know whether this is good or bad, but our horses "do" cows, sheep, goats, etc. They look at pigs, but I think that's just the smell. Then they go on. Now, banners printed with big letters hung on the inside of the arena rail... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

And Bumpky, Hammie is the same as Elliot. He just lollygags over 2'9". I can't wait to jump him up to the point where he actually has to make an effort. But he's just not mentally ready. And I haven't ordered my parachute yet. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

I have short, short legs!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

My balance is lacking to the extreme at the moment.
I get into "Left Leg Nirvana" when the heel is down nice, all correct, calf is on Elliot's side asking and getting a response... oh joy!!!:)

But I have no idea how to get to "Left Leg Nirvana" right off the bat. Takes a good 20 to 30 min warm up and relaxation... then we have it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You on the other hand have that wonderful long leg that just automatically wraps around the barrel of the horse and goes, gasp I am sooo jealous!!! haha (in a nice way mind you)

When Elliot jumps big I am looking pretty shakey, but I do stay on, it just isn't exactly what you would call an EQ round hahaha /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
So they better judge on how well Elliot takes care of his mom!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So what I am saying is... Elliot needs to go higher, I just don't know if I can stay on... haha.
But never mind, I came this far I am not about to give up yet.


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[This message was edited by Bumpkin on Dec. 04, 2001 at 12:41 AM.]

[Cinnybren]

Hi, my name is Brenda and I have a green 5yo OTT TB. I need help. (Literally and figuratively I'm certain!)

Murphy has grown AGAIN!! The boy went from being able to do lead changes and actually looking fairly pretty going around... to klutz-o boy! His little mind whirls.."Dear heavens where ARE my back feet and what are they doing!" He's also started with occasional giraffe imitations,head up, legs failing, complete with groaning. For you greenie gurus out there, how much of this is caused by the fact he's 17H at the withers and 17.1 at his hip, we measured him this weekend? And how long will it take before it goes away? Or could some of this be combined with a saddle-fit issue? With his growth and changes in back muscle, I've noticed the saddle doesn't rest as well along its back panels as it once did (it can be lifted away from his back when girthed up). Ok, here comes my whine! wahhhhhhhh, I want my coordinated pony back!

Also, I must say, I sure enjoy reading about everyone's greenie exploits! What a neat community of folks!

May I be a member of the Baby Greenie Support Group of North America?

[Bumpkin]

Elliot went through all that last year.

I don't know what made him stop, we did a new custom saddle, teeth and sheath maint., several massages and chiro visits...new trainer and barn...

He was so down in front, that my DQ friend was scared to ride him, haha /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He is much better now that he is 6.5 years old /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Of course you are a member of the Greenie Group!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

Welcome, BNH. You know the old saying: "Misery loves company". /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sounds like you may have a saddle-fitting problem. I'm no guru in the saddle-fit department, though, so you might want to search past thread topics or start another one. But if your saddle easily lifts up from your horse's back, it may be pinching his withers, impeding his motion in his front end and making him uncomfortable.

Other than that... I take it you're saying your horse is a tad inconsistent? That he's reverted back to being a kid? Yup. You're a member of our group. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

Last night as Elliot was in the crossties/grooming area along with two of his buddies, he told me he would love a carrot.

So I went to the carrot area, across the aisle, and NO carrots!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Strange I said to my co-groomers, there was a 25 pound bag and a large box of carrots here when I left yesterday.
Only an empty box and bag here now....
I asked our trainer who was in the arena where the bag of carrots went.

Well Elliot had made a midnight escape, and ate the whole lot of them!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

She said he not only ate all those carrots but a few other smaller bags, and took all the brush and bell boots off the stall doors and left them all over the place.
Elliot loves to eat his boots when he is out.

I could not believe how cheeky he was to be standing there in the crossties making his little cute pursed lip face, and begging me for more carrots!!!

I wonder if he is going to become orange now??? hahaha /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[LaurieB]

BNH, everyone can join! We're always happy to have new members.

My greenie is on her second saddle. The one that fit her great when I bought her at age three, was totally outgrown by four and a half. So I agree with Merry and Bumpkin, your saddle may well be the problem.

[Cinnybren]

I am afraid the sadlle is part of the problem. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Dang it, just got it six months ago! Oh well, cest la vie! Bumpkin, I think I'm doing what you did last year. We've done teeth/sheath, and I just moved to a new barn and trainer over the weekend. Murphy and I have our first official lesson with new trainer Stacy tonight...(I'm quite excited about the move and new trainer!) I'll have her look at saddle-fit tonight and see what she thinks.

BTW, Merry thanks for the reminder about the saddle fit threads. I re-read the fitting guide that Bumpkin posted. "Houston, we have a problem!"

[Merry]

Here is view #1. Ironically, it arrived the day after I interviewed the lady who bred and raised one of the all-time great Arabian stallions, Khemosabi. Hence, after viewing this picture, I now refer to it as "Hamosabi". My horse looks like an Arab!

What's up with his arched neck, pricked ears and flagging tail? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Merry]

Here is View #2. This was our best round. I had the judge's head removed...from the photo, not in real life, LOL! The judge was sitting in the booth and it looked like his head was coming out of Hammie's butt!

When I see that Hammie can jump like this, it helps me to realize that (hopefully) all of my struggles won't be in vain!

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[DMK]

Merry, you are right - he does look a tad like RV! Although I do believe I will pass on the Hamosabi+++ relationship /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I used to work at an arab farm. I've served my time in hell (Disclaimer - the author is entitled to her opinions, they are merely that. They do not reflect the opinion of management, and management mostly wants nothing to do with the author, so there. Also, we have noticed the author doesn't much care for fish tacos and brussel sprouts either).

BNH - I so feel your pain. My 4 year old OTTB is 17'1, although his withers are still higher than his hips, but he is (sadly) just generally built downhill (ever seen a 17'1 QH without the bulk?). And, oh, by the way? All of my OTTBs have grown UP until they are mostly done with their six year old year, then at 7-8 they grow out, which presents a whole 'nuther set of saddle-fitting challenges... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

RV spent yesterday in the stall because on Sunday he klunked over a ground pole (cantering them is still a challenge) and cut the bejesus out of the bulb of his heel. So today I turned him out. He cut loose and ran like a fool. As I was bathing one horse I watched him gallop up the hill, proceed to attempt to stop, attempt to turn and then just more or less fall down and slide under the fence. He stayed there for a minute (probably trying to figure out what happened), carefully extracted himself from the fence, took off and did the EXACT same thing again!!! God save me from TBs. I told him if he wasn't as dumb as a box of rocks, I didn't know what dumb was.

[LaurieB]

That is not a Hamosabi picture, that's a beautiful baby warmblood picture. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The two of you look great together.

[JumperEq]

Merry-
You can send Hammie to me. It would be okay. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
"When you get to the end of all the light you know and it's time to step into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing that one of two things shall happen: either you will be given something solid to stand on, or you will be taught to fly."

[wtywmn4]

Boy he gets any rounder, he's gonna jump you off!

You know these warmblobs, they are slow to mature but when they do watch out. He really can jump Merry. Just be patient and know the end result will be worth it... You can write a book on all his quirks while you're waiting for his maturity to set in. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Beezer]

I've told her several times ... that spit on his knees she's always complaining about? He gets it from slamming his knees into his chin!

People keep telling her, that's an AO horse ... he needs to be jumping bigger. But Merry is right: He is just so terribly immature yet. Focus, focus, focus. Once he masters THAT skill, she is going to be in hog heaven. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Merry]

Gosh you guys, thanks. He is just a tough cookie. Focusing is indeed his problem right now. I spent half an hour just doing serpentines today. Everytime he got strong, disinterested, or above the bit, I calmly did a downward transition, walked, and then started again.

I'm trying to de-sensitize him by going out on the trails more. Today we encountered a 4-foot long Santa banner hanging on a fence post, flapping in the breeze. Of course, I made Hammie go around and around it. I'm not sure if I de-sensitized him or horrified him! Here's Hammie's idea of a trail ride: walking/walking/walking/walking/walking really really really fast... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Lord Helpus]

Merry, great pics. I am still smiling because the Hamster looks just like Warren did at that age --- boogers are going to jump out of that fence and grab him and eat him up! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Makes them harder to ride in the beginning (and middle and end) of their careers, but it also makes them more spectacular jumpers. In one year Warren turned from that picture of Hammie to the picture below. (the rail we are actually jumping is not even in the picture -- it is whited out on the bottom). Just as soon as the jump got a little bigger and he tightened his front end a tad more.

No one will ever have to worry about our guys rubbing the jumps!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

May you have many *exciting* years of showing (and winning) ahead of you.

PS How big is that sucker?

[BustersMom]

Bumpkin, I am so glad that Merry says that we can be long stirrup lifers. I figured it out that it has been about 28 years since I appeared in the show ring. At that point I was doing the Ammies and the Regular Division as there was nothing else post Junior. It is good to know that there are others out there like me. I even found that our local association has a 2' Pre Adult Division. This sounds like I might be able to do this. As I discussed my plans with my currently timid daughter last night she asked how I was going to be able to do the pre Adults when she was thinking that she was going to do the pre Childrens which are frequently combined. Told her we'd toss to see who got to wear the show clothes.

Member of the Baby Greenie Support Group

[Bumpkin]

I am not going to be a Long Stirrup lifer!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I keep saying that I am moving up as fast as my trainer will allow Elliot and I to move up /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
hahaha

My goal is A/O but not until 2003 or 4!!!
Until them I shall rise slowly through the ranks, L/S, whatever there is and then A/A to eventually the A/O where Bumpkin and I were.

Merry, Hammie is gorgeous, those are nicer photos than the ones in the last HI!!!
Hammie looks more filled out in these.

I cannot wait to see what he looks like all braided up "purdy"!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Busters Mom, I will have to share with Mallory also, thank goodness at the moment she says she is quite happy just showing in the Hack classes.
But I suspect a few more lessons like the last two she has had over fences on Elliot and we are going to be like you and your daughter!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Flipping for who gets to go!!! hahaha /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

Oh, Bumpky, don't worry. When you graduate from Long Stirrup, we'll all be there to hand you your diploma! I wish I could do long stirrup with our babies. It would certainly be less stressful than doing baby greens against the pro's. But I think I'd be barred at the in-gate.

Thanks, Pam, for your input. How big is Hammie? Well, he kept growing! I was totally satisfied at 16.1. Right now I'd guess he's close to 16.3, although when he "puffs up" he looks 17.3!

I like young hunters to be a little "looky", too. As long as they're brought along slowly and you give them good rides, they do jump the best.

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[SquishTheBunny]

Long time no post.

Well, I finally got my new baby green. But..shame..she is an imposter baby green. She is 7 years old, but she isnt broke so to me she is a baby green! Ha! What do y'all think of her? She's a 7 year old Belgium Warmblood x TB. She is stalled right next to my real baby green (I think he's jealous!). /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

Yikes!!!

Haha!!! Have fun.

[2Dogs]

Lord Helpus - who is that cool Warren??? What is that cool Warren? From the front looks like a great A/O horse I used to show against named French Quarter.....whew.

So, I have read through these posts and just want to know - am I crazy looking for a greenie TB....off the track.....??? Have I lost my marbles??? What one quality do I want to make sure they DON'T have???
should I just have a cocktail and forget the whole thing?????

[SquishTheBunny]

BUMPKIN - I know! Ak! Well, she had been broke for 30 days as a 4 year old but has done nothing since. She remembers how to lunge and she is fairley quiet, so hopefully things will work out.

[LaurieB]

My best friend's daughter has a super small junior hunter named French Quarter. Brown gelding, about 15.2, barn name Buddy, and a real sweetheart who wins tons. Could that be the horse you're thinking of? (My friends have had him for about three years.)

[findeight]

as I well know since he beat us the only show we were against each other

From Allergy Valley USA

[findeight]

I can't stand it. Best thread on the BB and me with a 12 year old mare. Can I post here please? I had a green kind of lesson today, funny too. Hope you don't mind.
Setting up indoor arena for weekend show with portable stalls going up at the far end, you know the booger corner where they keep the lions, the one most of the horses fall in around the corner to keep from getting close to, if they go near it at all.
At the other end, just outside a regular type door to the porch, barn help setting up the Christmas lights and hanging wreaths on the metal siding.
Regardless of Jeff and George I assesed the conditions and ran for the cotton to stuff in her ears. I'll use any crutch I can.
We started the lesson amid tools dropping and power saws humming behind the partition on one end and giggling and yelling barn help just outside the other.
After about 10 min we actually got past the center of the ring and performed excellent shoulder ins, ok actually trying to bolt for home but I won't tell if you won't. Trainer yelling make her stay at the trot and her trying to suck back right out of her skin to stay away. Only to trot down to the other end and face the barn help banging on the outside wall.
When we were forced to jump mare was so worried about everything else she went right thru a trot fence. On the next try, equally concerned with everything but me, she looked at the jump at the last second only to see a flower box and just about knocked her teeth out with her knees. As LordHelpus can attest mine is not a big round crackback jumper by nature so I pulled about half her mane out.
Finally advancing to a little course we were confronted by.....person carrying large wreath with rattly plastic bow. Blessed by good fortune for the next line was leaving out a stride. Had no trouble reorganizing with the power drill in front of her either.
Because of my remarkable skill at "adjusting strides" we quit there.
Could not, however, lead her out of ring due large Santa with jingle bells going by.
Trainer says we must train for anything if we want to show.
We are now ready for power tools and decoration installation on the hunter course.
/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

From Allergy Valley USA

[2Dogs]

LaurieB - I don't know. French Quarter was owned by Mary Anne Weisberg, a Californian who rode/rides with Karen Healy. Mary Anne was tops with French Quarter 6-7 years ago and was champ at the Garden and PA (maybe all three indoors - I cannot remember). Mary Anne stopped riding for a while but I now see she is back with Petrus. I don't know if French Quarter was a small nor how old he was - he was dark dark brown - almost black - like the Warren up above.
If it is the same - he was very beautiful over a fence!

[2Dogs]

And Findeight that was the BEST Christmas story!! You have given me a laugh and wonderful visual. thank you thank you thank you!!

[Chef Jade]

I think I know you! In the picture with your hunter, i thought, hmm that looks like someone I know! But then there were all there references to the East Coast. Finally I saw where you posted tht you rode in CA. So now to see if I am right... Your initials are DD? I don't want to give too much away in case you want to remain anonymous. Or maybe your identity is already "out" and I am the last to know?

Anyway - I believe it is the same French Quarter previously shown in the A/O's out here and trained by Karen Healy.

So DD - if this is you... Where are you living?

OK - to keep this on topic, In my last lesson with the BG I only ran into the rail twice! I think we are starting to learn how to steer!

[2Dogs]

Hey- chef-who are you?? It is moi, DD! I miss California so much that my mare is in California and I am going to come out and show at Indio! I think my email address is in the profile - if not, let me know.

[Beezer]

But of course you can play ... er, post ... with us! As we've said before, greenness is a state of mind, not age! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (And that was a very, very funny story! It sounds like a day at El Ranchito when QHSM and Grumpy Old Dad combine forces.)

2Dogs ... Merry and I have had (more than) our fair share of OTTBs. But Pam (Lord HelpUs) and others are probably more current experts on this. Whenever I show Merry an ad for a likely looking OTTB, she just whimpers. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[wtywmn4]

First off, WOWZER LordHelpUs. Warren is spectacular. Is that you in the irons? Love how round he is.

2Dogs, French Quarter is retired, and since that is Aug. 2001, well.....Mary Anne's new horse Petrus is VERY nice too. French Quarter was always a fatastic jumper, but I don't remember him being quite this tight up front..

Love that song Beezer, one of my all time fav's.

[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2Dogs:
So, I have read through these posts and just want to know - am I crazy looking for a greenie TB....off the track.....??? Have I lost my marbles??? What one quality do I want to make sure they DON'T have???
should I just have a cocktail and forget the whole thing?????<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A cocktail isn't a bad idea, 2dogs!

I love, love, love, repeat LOVE OTTBs (and question my sanity in this regard), but I always recommend that one has a clue about them before tackling them. I remember LordHelpus did a great summary post about them a while back - had a ton of good points, but here are a few key points...

Racing TBs are trained,and trained very well (if they are with a good trainer, obviously!). They are trained to run faster on more contact, they are trained to set into the hands and make a good bow for the rider to balance against. Our style of riding confuses them.

They have stable manners, but they are shedrow manners. Meaning someone only gets on them as they are being led, and the rider is being legged up. They are groomed on a stall chain, not cross ties, and when they are bathed, it is generally with a bucket of warm soapy water and warm rinse water, and someone holds them. Most of them have pretty stellar manners for these things. Our world confuses them (cross ties, mounting blocks, hoses, standing still, etc.).

When you look at a horse on (or just off) the track, they are usually pretty muscle sore and they haven't a clue how to trot or canter like WE like. They know how to canter sideways and totally supported by the hand. They also have a tight jarring trot (without actually using thehip or shouulder) down pat. They are very well educated to galloping though!

So when I look at an OTTB, I look for a willingness to accept what I want (not to succeed, just to accept) - a consistant gait, or an attempt to do so. A quiet eye, and a willingness to walk on a loose rein (I also evaluate the walk big time, since in many cases it's hard to see the "real" trot and canter. I also like seeing how they respond to lungeing, since very few have done it before. It gives me an idea of how they respond to VERY new things without putting my life on the line.

Also, any indication of not being on the forehand is a big plus, since that indicates a natural balance, that has managed to survive being onthe track /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But being on the forehand is probably to be expected.

So that was kind of a long few points, but c'est la vie!

If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me, and also, here is an OTTB hall of infamy. Pretty much everything (except the pony and obvious WB pic) came off the track.

Album (http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1023698&a=7552404&f=0)

[Calypso]

Can I join? I don't have my own horse anymore and I'm not riding right now but plan on starting up again within the next couple weeks. I may need some adult support and wisdom in my venture.

So, can I can I? Please?

Babbabouie

[Beezer]

Welcome. We are all here for each other! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(Hey Wty ... yes, heard that song the other day and thought, you know, that is just sooooo appropriate for these times we live in.)

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Chef Jade]

No e-mail in the profile...

/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

You can e-mail me at rory.gibbs@gecapital.com

(if that isn't a clue to my true identity, I don't know what is!)

So where are you living these days? Why the move? My big Eq horse, Terrapin (who most people remember me by) is no longer in this world. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But I since bought a 2 year old WB mare (who is now 5) that I do the A/A hunters with and I just bought a 3 year old WB gelding who has been u/s all of 3 months. Hence - I am not only a member of the Baby Greenie Support Group - I am also a customer! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[murdoch]

Hi
I think I qualify to enter this discussion. I recently bought a baby greenie myself. He's a 5 year old TB - just under 18H by about a quarter of an inch. I keep hearing all these scary things about TB who actually grew between 5 and 6. No, don't tell me that! I can just barely get on him now. Someone will just have to tell him that he's not allowed to grow any taller. He's a late baby to is actually not yet five and a half, but no growing allowed (maybe I can get him to take up smoking isn't that supposed to stunt your growth? ) /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Anyhow, he's quite green - just starting over fences. Some days the flat work is quite good and I think yes we're ready to jump - other days well ... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif we have this nice rhythmic canter type gait going - canter, canter, buck, canter, canter, buck - never misses a beat.

Today for example he had been stuck in his stall for two days due to unusually wet weather (no drainage here - we're not used to rain!). Of course all the other horses had been stuck in too.
So I get him out and lunge a little and he's pretty good. Of course it's nice and quiet when I'm lunging but as soon as I get on everyone decides to turn out their horses in the paddocks adjacent to the ring. So now we are surrounded by screaming galloping maniacs - not a good thing for huge, high energy, baby green TB's with attention spans of fleass. Whee. At one point (after threatening to rear a couple of times) I just stuck his nose in the corner and made him wait until he got the hump out of his back before continuing - it was either that or another mid-ride-lunge /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif - sigh.
Actually we worked through it pretty well but only got to walk and trot due to the mud - tomorrow should be better.
Anyhow - he was trained for the track as a 2 year old but never started (I can see why he must have been majorly ungainly at that age due to his huge size - he's all legs). His previous owner bought him and didn't do all that much with him until last spring. I bought him a couple of months ago and am still trying to figure out if I will ever manage to turn this beast (with help from trainer) into a jumper.

Oh and it get's better - my other horse is a 12 year old baby greenie (no really). She's my broodmare that I decided not to breed and that she really needed a job - she raced as a 2 year old and had done nothing but have babies until about 2 years ago. Our training since has been very spotty and when we finally got to the point where she was ready to jump she had some soundness issues (mostly due to bad shoeing /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif ). But she is also now ready to get back into work now. I'm not totally convinced it is worth the effort to start jumping her at her age but she has no problems that would prevent it and vets fine so why not..

Oh and I ride a couple of other horses for friends occasionally - you guessed it - both baby green TB's (4 and 6 year olds) (well one is sort of dark green I guess).

I must be crazy... but at least I'm having fun /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[2Dogs]

DMK: thank you so much! I think I 'll just come live near you.......ha ha......
we will see....there are a few youngsters I have looked at but with your fabulous input, I have some more pointers.
And Ms. Rory, I did figure out it was you by going to the web site. Big HI - I am in Charlotte, NC now - fine place! I will email you the story of my young mare.

[rusty]

I know I am late in joining this thread, but better late than never.

I rode my 7 year old very green TB today and all four feet stayed on the ground. WHen I tried riding her after I bought her she would rear every time I put the slightest contact on her mouth. Today is the first time I have tried to ride her after a couple of months in the round pen and on the lounge line and she kept all four feet on the ground. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Yeah

[murdoch]

I can relate to that rusty! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Me: So did you have a good ride?

Barn Friend: It was OK. We did some 3'6" lines and nailed all the lead changes but he's still drifting slightly to the right...
How was your ride?

Me: He didn't buck! All four feet stayed on the ground! It was great! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hmm, guess who's riding the greenie? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[wtywmn4]

Rusty is that you??????????????

How's it going? Been such a long time since we heard from you. Where are you? Hopefully in your new abode.

Sounds to me like your baby was pretty darn good. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[rusty]

Yes It's Me. I am back. I will star a new thread explaining every thing that has happened since June. I am not on my property, but I am at a really nice barn with 2 covered arenas and nice people. To keep this on topic with my greenies.

[Figjam]

that horse is a 45 year old school master. HOW CAN U MAKE A BABY LOOK SO PURDY!!!!???

gimmie gimmie

-Figjam /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Chef Jade]

Thanks but this is just a still photo - you can't see the horrors abound before and after this fence!

Actually she was quite good this day if you ignore the fact she kicked me in the thigh just before I had to get on her. Ouch!

And the day before she ran at all the fences so I had to pull her up mid course, back her, circle, and attempt to add strides the rest of the way around. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Merry]

Gee, Chef, I have sooooo been in THAT movie before! So, how exactly does it feel to you as you make the decision to pull up, circle, and add strides in lines? I'm usually thinking, "Well, there goes $20," or, "Better do this now or abandon all hope for a ribbon in tomorrow's class." /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and I love your comment, "Not only am I a member (of this support group), but I'm also a customer."

Hey, we aims to please! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Beezer]

And so ... so ... true to life! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

RUSTY!! Oh, am so glad to "hear" from you. Was just thinking this morning that I needed to post a thread asking where you'd got to. Must be some kinda karmic konnection. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BTW, all, I have dared Merry to measure Hammie this weekend. If he is "only" 16.3ish, I weigh only 120 pounds. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Bumpkin]

Yes you must catch us all up on what is going on in your life!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

All together now, let's chant: "Start a thread, rusty, start a thread!"

Now, a minute of brag time: I took the Hambolarama (aka "Hamosabi++++" for you Arab-minded folks) over to my trainer's to school over her jumps. Mind you, the trainer was at Disneyland, so it was me, Hammie, and Queen of Horse Show Moms. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But Hammie was wonderful! What does it mean when he's actually better there than at home? He got all his lead changes, jumped beautifully, etc. QHSM goes, "Maybe he just knows that it's all business when he comes here."

Yeah, right. Hammie is all business. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Thread, thread we want a thread. Rusty start the thread.......

SO Hamosabi++ is now into the giant horse league? Merry you well might have to drop the sabi++ from his name. I don't think Arabs get quite that big /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Bumpkin]

jumping

Elliot Jumping 1 (http://members.aol.com/welliefellie/horse2.jpg)

Elliot Jumping 2 (http://members.aol.com/welliefellie/horse1.jpg) /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I am not riding him, and yes I know he is not being jumped with an Auto release, what can I say?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Beezer]

What a very handsome guy, Bumpkin! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Bumpkin]

Oh Beezer thank you very much!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Duffy]

Elliott is not only totally adorable, but he's a VONDERFAR jumper, Bumpkin!!!! He does his Daddy proud!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was very proud of Gramento the other day. I was able to completely body clip him, (with my new Double K's /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), sans tq drugs. It took a LONG time, between muchos hair and his sheer size - plus the width of the clipper blades. So, his patience was tried as well. I did put him back in his stall a couple of times for breaks, (also for me to sweep up gobs of hair periodically, so that I wouldn't be buried alive in it). /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Unfortunately, he turned that mousy dark brown under that gorgeous bronze bay winter coat. But, at least he's really shiny! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

He was a little perky today, but he got better instead of worse, as we continued to jump. So, I figure that's a good thing. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[LaurieB]

Elliot looks wonderful, Bumpkin! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When are we going to see you jumping him like that? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[findeight]

Wow thank you for the nice photos Bumbkin. Love those knees. Give us more with YOu in the irons. When you are ready of course.

From Allergy Valley USA

[Chef Jade]

Elliot is awesome! Looks just like the Starman kid I know... and a lot like his daddy.

[JustaLurker]

Rusty, I'm so glad you're back. Please, please start your thread. We want to hear what has been going on -- start in early Summer!

Bumpkin, Elliot is a beauty and jumps killer. Now we know why you're so enthused.

Merry, Hammie is another real Ammy prospect -- jumping beautifully even though a little flakey at home. But, he'll grow up one of these days.

[DMK]

Ummmm, Merry, I think it means he is lulling you into a false sense of security so he can NAIL you at the appropriate moment...

Bumpkin - those are simply BEEEYUTIFUL pictures!

Today's Green Moment... DMK's ring is mere feet from a busy road that BIG trucks go down. We also have a bridge just around the bend that isn't totally level with the road after it washed out last year and was repaired, so the BIG trucks make a double WHABAM when they go over it. And of course we seem to be the main route for empty monster garbage trucks that make a Very Serious WHABAM .

Of course none of this phases my greenie. In fact when the Big Tired Truck with the Mattress Wrapped in Plastic went by (think high pitched whine with short snapping plastic sounds) he didn't flicker an eyelash. Of course, when the NORMAL car drove by at what could be called a sedate speed for that road (45mph), and drove over what must have been a twig - the teensiest of snaps - the greenie made a 25 foot shuddering leap into the middle of the ring and attempted the Patented Bolt Maneuvor (it always fails).

The difference? At that exact moment I was walking along on a loose rein thinking how good he was being, given that he has not been turned out or ridden for a few days...

I am beginning to think I may qualify for a Sub-Greenie Thread... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh yes, and has anyone else shared this pain? We are now back to trotting a small X with a trot pole. Seems we had forgotten how to TROT over the trot pole, and were quite content with a baby hop, followed by a fence hop. I was quite proud of him when he actually trotted over the trot pole 3 consecutive times today, until I realized this was where I was in OCTOBER!!!

[Beezer]

Yup ... that roly-poly chestnut charging and snorting around the ring with his kinked tail up over his back was mine. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It was our standard 8 p.m. ride, it's cold (about 40 degrees) and breezy. He is feeling just a taaaaad too good.

But I tell myself, as he slides to a halt and stands and snorts at me (still with tail up), yeah, he's done with his turn-out and is ready to settle down to work. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif So I climb aboard and try to persuade him that, really, a 4-year-old can pay attention.

Let's just say ... Gary Stevens is never around when you need him. (Or Merry, for that matter. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Frisky Tiggers ... they don't really GO anywhere, they just kinda bounce up and down in one spot. And chew on the bit. And shake their heads at imaginary creatures (we call it the "warmblood threat" -- "I could buck if I wanted to, but I'm a warmblood so I just shake my head and pretend." /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ) His canter departs were ... exciting. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

But I must say ... frisky Tiggers are actually kinda fun to ride. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[LaurieB]

I know all about that bouncing, head shaking thing. Today we were doing more leg yielding. (I don't know why, my trainer is on a serious leg yielding jag.) Tess leg yields great for my trainer. For me, kind of so-so. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Today we tried it with me wearing spurs (first time.) Suddenly we were much better at going sideways--if you overlooked the fact that Tess's head was higher than mine. Okay, just for the heck of it, let's try spurs and draw reins.

Tess is now having a hissy. Her head disappears completely, somewhere down between her knees. I keep checking frantically with trainer. I'm not making her do that, am I? Trainer is laughing at me/us (we're always happy to be a source of amusement /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif and frequently are /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif )

No, she says, Tess is doing it all on her own. The draw reins are loose. Hissy or no, our leg yielding finally turned out pretty well. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[wtywmn4]

Ah Beezer, I am imagining that sound "boing boing boing" As Tigger goes happily along /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Silly Beezer, thinking that 40 degrees and a slight chill in the air would unflag that tail. Ahhhh, the wonderful night time rides.......

[Merry]

I dunno, Wty, if Hammie will ever be a big horse in anyone's eyes but his own, LOL!

He probably is lulling me into a false sense of security (and accomplishment) just so I can solidify my dreams... and he can squash it at the next show. The jumps just are not too interesting to him. He's such a total tourist as he goes around the ring, then he kinda goes, "Oh, a jump now," then he's back to la-la-la-la-la, just lookin' to get in trouble. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Duffster: Personally, I love the mouse-color. But I so don't "do" body clipping anymore. Fortunately, we don't need to unless we're doing Indio... which I'm not this year.

Bumpkin, Elliot is a very handsome man. With that amount of athletic ability, he's gonna think the long stirrup division is just 8 cavaletti! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DMK, I've had those trail rides, too. We seem to have no problems with the overloaded trash bins on the street, but spying a water meter coverplate on the ground? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

LaurieB: Just ask Beezer about her experience with leg yields. Tigger + leg yield = rubber band horse. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:DMK, I've had those trail rides, too. We seem to have no problems with the overloaded trash bins on the street, but spying a water meter coverplate on the ground? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Merry, there is just one little problem... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That horror of a road I referred to? That isn't a trail I was on, that's my RING that is located mere feet from that road! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It gets even more fun in the fall/winter. Apparently all the sound muffling leaves fall off the trees in a 24 hourperiod. I know this because every year in October, literally on the same day all the horses (green to made) get absolutely STUPID on the exact same day. One day the ring is fine, the next day it is scary beyond imaginings. I like to think of Fall as my Back to Basics month... you know, how to walk around the ring, how not to leap 45 feet at every noise, how not to be a giraffe... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[JumperEq]

Bumpkin-
What a very very cute Elliot! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Everyone else- /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Im going out ro ride today (WOOHOOOO!) Wish me luck. The mare hasn't been ridden in a week (school and the fact that I work until it's dark and *sigh* no indoor...yet). I'm guessing she's returned to her more natural Tater Tot shape. Oi.... I bought new reins for the one's she busted and that fungus she developed shall be taken care of. Any attention she gets makes her feel like royalty...poor unspoiled girl. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'll update again either tonight or tomorrow.

RAIN, RAIN GO AWAY...COME AGAIN ANOTHER DAY! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(Last week I rode her in the rain.....weathermen are predicting rain yet again. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif )

.:Erin B #2:.
"When you get to the end of all the light you know and it's time to step into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing that one of two things shall happen: either you will be given something solid to stand on, or you will be taught to fly."

[wtywmn4]

There's a yellow hue outside!

It's the sun!!!! Okay all you people, lets get on and go out to ride. At least till tomorrow, when it's supposed to rain agin, UGH! Yeah, yeah, I know it's winter. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bumpkin, what a cutie Elliot is! Looks like bays are in. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seems to be the color of choice, cept Tigger. He's our token chestnut, boing boing boing.

[Cinnybren]

Bumpkin - WOW!!!! Should Elliott ever want to come live in Texas, I've got a spot for him....I think he's jumping quite like his famous daddy! Hooray for you! (I'm quite green!)

Merry - Hammie is quite a handsome and photogenic guy too....the Hamosabi thing cracks me up! When I lived in N. CA I boarded my horse Woody at an Arabian Farm. Ever now and again he would do the tail over the back, archy neck, power snorting thing...his "Arabian impression"....I threatened to not allow his out in the paddock if he kept that up...:)

Well, Bumpkin, Murphy seems to be following in Elliot's tracks...we are now officially shopping for a new saddle. We had our first lesson with Stacy Tuesday, and he was not his usual happy self, lots of giraffing and he felt stiff. She agreed that "something was wrong". We checked saddle fit and it appeared ok. However Wednesday I went out to the barn and poor Murphy about dropped to the ground when I ran my hands down the sides of his spine...I feel like such a BAD horsey-mom! Aaargh!!!

[Bumpkin]

I LOVE my Elliot so much /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BNH when you buy a new saddle, go for a wider gullet. If Murphy is built like Elliot, no withers a tabletop back he will be happy.

I found when we were trying saddles, that if I found one we liked, then I would ride in just that saddle for one week.
Elliot let us know at the end of the week if the saddle worked or not /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[rusty]

Bumpkin Elliot is beautiful.

Wtywnm4 I thought Iwas hallucinating when I saw the yellow thing in the sky. Much better thasn the rain that has been happening.

I posted the epic of my summer on the Off Course forum. I get in enough trouble for not staying on topic, with out posting in the wrong forum /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

Oh, DMK, that's your arena you described? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I guess I shouldn't be that amazed. Ours is kinda scarey along one side, too. We have this bushy hedge of trees and honeysuckle that camouflages about 75% of the neighbor's mess next door. (These are the folks who have now... for the second time... killed off their steer before they could actually slaughter it for meat). /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Anyway, our horses see only a tidge of what's going on, like shadows and outlines, and it mesmerizes them.

Well, I'm off to ride Tigger and the Hanoverian Cow Beast (Barbie). I shall choose the western garb for both. Why? Because we also have sun, but we have the lovely Santa Ana winds,too. You know, where things blow through the air, stinging you in the face? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[findeight]

Went to a AA show a few seasons back and trainer was horrified that most of her string spooked at a WCHR banner hung at one end of the main hunter ring. Same as every other WCHR banner but the hated this one. And they all spooked at it, young and old green and finished. Boy were we glad when that show was over.
Until we got home and saw....yep she brought it home and hung at the end of our outside arena. They NEVER did stop spooking at it. Especially when she kept sticking skinny jumps with no standards in front of it.
Last time we will ever complain about anything the horses are spooking at during a show. Don't want her lugging anything else home to torment us with.

From Allergy Valley USA

[Beezer]

Reminds of the big show a couple years back, when our coach had this DARLING but GREEN pony and this DARLING but show-ring green rider on her. They're going into the under saddle, and coach says to rider, make sure you let her look at the banner at the end of the ring, she's never seen anything like that.

So, as the class goes in, with the rest of the kids tracking left, there goes our pony rider the opposite way, like a salmon swimming DOWNSTREAM, making a beeline for the banner at the far end. She lets the pony peruse it ... for like MINUTES. I swear, it looked like that fat little gray pony was reading that banner. The class, meanwhile, is having to go around her.

Our coach, finally breaking free of her frozen disbelief, charges along the outside of the ring, yelling at the kid to get moving. We, the barn groupies, have collapsed on each other in fits of laughter. HYSTERICAL, LOUD spasms of laughter. People all around us begin laughing, the judges are laughing ... and there stand kid and pony, reading that damned banner.

She later tells coach, when asked, "What were you DOING??!?!" ... "You TOLD me to let her look at the banner."

But have to admit ... once they got going with the rest of the class, the pony didn't spook at the banner. They even got a high prize. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Merry]

Ah yes, the incredible pony that actually read, I believe, at a third grade level. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

findeight, that's not such a bad idea. Hmmm... I can foresee myself toddling up to the elementary school and asking one of the classes to make me a BIIGGG sign that says, "DEL MAR" so I can hang it on my arena fence. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[LaurieB]

One horse at my barn went to a show and refused to jump any jump with red flowers. Any other color, okay. Red, no way. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Next thing we knew, all our fences at home had red flowers. The horse was not amused. The following week there were red flowers hanging from his stall door, his feed tub, and festooning the sides of his stall. Eventually he got over it.

Anyone want to buy some slightly used red flowers? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[LittleWitch]

You know how evergreen branches are darker green on top and lighter green underneath. Well, last year my greenie was afraid of evergreen branches if he could see the underside. If we encountered an upside down branch on the trail or in a brush box he would slam on the brakes and inspect it very closely. Darker green branches didn't bother him at all. Thankfully he got over his fear of light-green because we live in the evergreen state. Now I think he has moved onto fearing yellow flowers.

[findeight]

Yes Merry that is a bad idea because I once showed at a local western show (in Walnut out by Mt Sac and Cal Poly (of which I am an alum) where they had a concession stand with an ice grinder set up right on the arena rail. Talking mid 70s here.
Who needed a greenie? Anything will spook at that.
Never told my current trainer. Don't want to give her ideas. Yikes. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

From Allergy Valley USA

[TuxWink]

It sounds and looks like everyone's greenies are coming along wonderfully - the pictures all look great!

[rusty]

My greeneie kept all four feet on the ground for the majority of the ride today. Until one of the dressage trainers came very close (about 2 feet awy coming towards us) while cantering serpintines or what ever it was she was doing. Then she had to spook buck and stand on her hind legs. Oh well I guess she wasn't paying attention, and could n't verbalize her intent to others in the arena.

OK I will now retract my claws and go have a saucer of milk.
I am not picking on dressage riders, just riders that have problems sharing arenas and giving other horses enough space when passing.

[Bumpkin]

Merry, check out the November 30th issue.
The one with the Bronze on the cover.

I swore the photo of Georgina Bloomberg in the upper right middle photo looks like "Hammie"!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

Oh yes, Bumpkin, I guess I should reveal that that's why Hammie is making so much progress lately. Georgina has been schooling and showing him for me. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I must say, I've never encountered a snow cone machine at a show. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif The story about the flowers and evergreens reminds me of my old Dutch mare, Syracuse. She was really spooky about a viaduct/aqueduct wall at one rated show. Those are the brick walls with the cut-out arches in them. I have this one photo where I booted her off the ground and she kind of jumped like a helicopter, LOL! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif So my dear brother, out in California on vacation, got out the saw and built me my own acqueduct wall! Of course, because a man built it, it was so heavy it couldn't be moved and eventually rotted in place, but it served its purpose!

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[JumperEq]

So I rode the Tot yesterday. She's getting into shape...maybe I should work on myself now. I was tired and she was like "C'mon Erin...letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo!" Ahhh yes, the Thoroughbred is showing now. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif She was pretty good though. She's starting to get *much* better at bending. Now I need to get her off of her front end a little more. Suggestions??

We did run into some problems with (*cue scary music*)......shadows! Ahhhh! Run away run away! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Apparently they jump at her and want to bite her feet off. Yes, we did jump over the particularly scary ones. Otherwise we did the every-so-sneaky body contortions around them. Fun times.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
"When you get to the end of all the light you know and it's time to step into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing that one of two things shall happen: either you will be given something solid to stand on, or you will be taught to fly."

[Merry]

Well, the winds died down enough for me to ride Hammie today. He was sooo wonderful schooling over fences on Thursday at my trainer's, so yesterday he just hung out in his paddock. I figured, he'd be great for a 10-minute hack today. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Let's just say if I had a dollar for every twenty-meter circle I cantered in the "scary" corner, well... I'd have the $ for that new-fangled GPA helmet I've been admiring. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

And yes, Beezer, those marks on the inside of the arena fence? Yes, those are from my boot and my stirrup iron being dragged--via Hambolarama-- against the wood. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

Haha!!!

Reminds me of the movie every time I hear, or see the rail being rubbed by a stirrup.
Weren't they suppose to do that in the movie? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[LaurieB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:
Well, the winds died down enough for me to ride Hammie today. He was sooo wonderful schooling over fences on Thursday at my trainer's, so yesterday he just hung out in his paddock. I figured, he'd be great for a 10-minute hack today. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Let's just say if I had a dollar for every twenty-meter circle I cantered in the "scary" corner, well... I'd have the $ for that new-fangled GPA helmet I've been admiring. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Merry, that's a self-fulfilling prophecy--kind of like that disappearing sock thing Beezer has been talking about on Off Course (I think I may be mixing my metaphors here /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

It never fails, the days I get on Tess for a light, twenty minute ride are the ones that end with us making lots of little circles and maybe dragging out the draw reins. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[LaurieB]

I loved that movie! I wish Disney would issue it on video. Annette Funicello and three day eventing. What a combination. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

Comes up on eBay all the time but goes for about 35$ everytime I see it!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Peggy]

Guess they were horrific yesterday in Riverside, but today was only mildly breezy; however, with many tumbleweeds strewn about the property. Those did not bother horse #1 (16 y.o TB), but he did freak over a capsized plastic chair. Horse #2 (8 y.o. TB) had apparently never seen a moving plant and ran sideways down the driveway when he saw another horse pushing a tubleweed around in the turnout. The recently gelded 2 y.o. hand-walked around quite sedately. All three were born in the "Inland Empire" and should be used to wind and its aftereffect.s

[Beezer]

"I'm trapped in the equine equivalent of 'Dungeons and Dragons.' I'm in the dungeon with the ... well, you know." /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Today was Round Two of Hammie versus the Santa Ana winds versus Merry. I think the winds gave up long before Merry did. Hammie, for some reason, kept trying to use the old "there's a big fat black Labrador climbing all over the blowing silver tarp on top of the shavings pile" excuse for spooking in a corner. Merry was having none of it.

Tigger, meanwhile, was taking it all in as he trucked around the arena. You could almost hear him thinking: "I sooooooo don't want any part of THAT action! Man, look at him get in trouble ... and then he DOES IT AGAIN! Tigger is a good boy, Tigger is a GOOD boy, Tigger doesn't want to get in trouble, Tigger is A GOOD BOY!"

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Bumpkin]

I think Elliot was kind of between the two of them, a bit high, but trying to get to work.

"If only mom didn't loose her balance over this little jump we are doing in a circle. Then she doesn't let me drop my shoulder and come in a wee bit cutting the corner" /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"I think I will switch my leads back and forth on the straight away, and do some hind in skipping action" "I am much too lazy to do a full out buck" /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fortunately my lesson today was very short and almost like a warmup for tomorrow eves lesson.

[DMK]

Beezer, I think I am in love with Tigger /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif On the other hand, the phrase "The Santa Ana winds gave up befor Merry" struck a VERY familiar and personal chord in me!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (you know, the "been there, done that, bought the T-shirt and wore it proudly" chord?)

RV went off to his first real horse show (meaning he was gone for 3 days not 18 hours) to learn about being a show horse. I have figured out that he is more than a little concerned about any horse coming up on him, not just ponies (but those are much scarier). We spent all three days doing our real work in the mostly abandoned jumper schooling ring (very small) with brief forays into the large, busy schooling area, where he had to hold himself together and walk around while everyone else schooled. It went a lot like this:

walk-walk-walk-horse coming up on me must get tense-walk-walk-walk-another horse coming am tense must explode-circle-circle-circle-damn will she let go of my face I'm tired of staring at her kneecap-walk-walk-walk...

Altogether, it was a good experience though. And on an interseting note, I met BB'ers Midge, Sandstone and Claiborne... and there were probably a few others present who were smart enough to run away when they saw a saddle pad monogrammed with "DMK" /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Last but not least (small brag on RV), I had a chance to talk to a trainer who I more or less consider a living legend in the hunters, and I think he quite liked RV, so I floated all the way home instead of driving. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Of course to be fair, he did not see RV's impressive acrobatics when a leaf skittered across the ring (you know the kind that after the fact you wonder how exactly you stayed on?)

[Merry]

Ah, LaurieB, you do indeed lend me some moral support. So, you mean the lovely Tess often thwarts your plans for a 20-minute ride? Break out the draw reins, you say? I just stuck with the smooth loose ring snaffle, sans training gear. I was not going to be defeated. Then, afterwards, I left Hammie tied to the tree outside the arena. I figured he'd either get bored with the scenery or have a coronary. When I returned he nickered for me. So I guess... I won? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

DMK, RV sounds like he tried really, really hard to behave. Dontcha just love that feeling when they start to tense up underneath you? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Dear Bumpkin, those half-hearted efforts Elliot makes at playing? Beezer and I call those "warmblood threats". They're threatening to pitch and play, but heck, they're warmbloods. It would just require too much effort. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[LaurieB]

Merry, I'm pretty sure you won... then again, mine is not an expert opinion. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Whenever I plan those short, no-hassle rides, Tess's attention span seems to evaporate about five minutes before I think we're finished. And when she goes, she's gone. Her brain enters the no fly zone. la la la la la is someone talking to me? I can't hear you... la la la

Usually we only have one more thing we needed to finish. I used to "argue" her back to reality which took an additional twenty minutes. Now I just slap on a pair of draw reins and go Hello? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

It's amazing how quickly they refocus her--especially since that's usually about the only time she gets ridden in them. Eventually I'm hoping she'll realize the ride isn't finished until I say so. Yeah, right. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[LuckyMe]

Hello all...much fun reading about the greenie antics the last few days... Wish I knew the kind of winds you all are talking about, up here in the Northeast we just get snow and loads of it, confining us to Indoor arenas that are especially scary in their own right! Monsters lurking in every shadowy corner, of course.


Good news here, the friend/trainer has been working with my filly and progress is being made. She thinks she's lovely and has had lots of nice things to say about her...and she's planning to climb aboard within the next week or two. I've done all the ground work already, so she's pretty solid in that area. My friend has been sharpening it up as well as letting the filly get used to her and vice versa, but she thinks she's ready for a rider on her back.

In the meantime I'm having fun just playing with her-- going for walks, hand grazing her, grooming lots, etc. I don't feel so pressured to "accomplish" something everytime I handle her, and it has helped both her and I relax considerably. Horses can be unbelievable reflections of ourselves-- as soon as I chilled out, so did my mare.

Also been riding a friend's Morgan gelding a bit, he's the bravest horse I've ever sat on and has loads of "go" to him but he's also kind and careful. A fun ride for the likes of me who is stil trying to get back my courage!

Hoping to get some pics scanned soon of my mare....

[Bumpkin]

Tonight in our lesson we practiced serpentines first at the trot then the canter then over three small fences set down the center of the arena.

WOW /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I need better balance.
Elliot was getting the hang of it, but it is sure teaching me to sit up straight, don't lean, don't neck rein, don't look down, keep active... and we were both pretty sweaty when the lesson was over.

I loved it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beezer]

So nice to hear a good "report card." /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
(And about those Santa Ana winds ... well, let's just say they aren't called "the devil winds" for nuttin. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif )

DMK ... I kinda like my Tiggster too. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But it sounds like you had ... well, if not technically a "good" show, at least a good baby greenie show!

Ah, yes ... Merry and Hammie, the story of a conflicted ammie and her talented hunter. I think I could sell this movie. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[Cinnybren]

Cool Bumpkin!! That sounds like a really FUN lesson! I love it when I'm wired and tired when I'm done. Those are the days that I really fell like I accomplished good stuff! Miss Ellen shipped the saddle today. We'll see if it feels better to Murphy's back. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'm quite excited about testing it out!

Had the vet out today, Murphy's had the last week off and his back is better, but the vet agreed that the saddle fit was an issue. Also thought he was protecting his left hind leg. Had a slightly positive reaction when he checked hocks and his left pastern. Took xrays and now I'm waiting to hear the results. I'm a little concerned about hock changes especially in a almost 6 year old. Is that unusual?

Still no riding allowed until xray results and Murphy gets new shoes. I miss riding my boy! /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[wtywmn4]

Tigger was a GOOD BOY!

We have gotten winds up north, but not the Santa Ana's.....Mine thought for sure trolls were living under the road. Lord knows why, but guess it seemed like a good thing at the moment. Been over the road, a bazillion times. But noooooooooooooooooooooooooo, not today thank you very much. Good grief, snorting, staring, and in general being a total twit. At least the tail didn't manage to be flung up and over his back. He just made alot of NOISE about the whole affair. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[rusty]

Day 4 or 5 and we have kept all four feet on the ground! Starting to accept having to work for a living, this was a little hard, after all she really had never been asked to do any thing the first 7 years of her life. Poor horsie. If she is good every day until Fri she can have a carrot Margarita. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

I hope that the saddle works for Murphy.
Elliot and I personally broke that saddle in and took loving care of it.
Although I have not seen it for many months...

Ride in only it for a week, to see how it works out.
I love the WIDE gullet it has. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[wtywmn4]

Keeping all 4 on mother earth is a good thing! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif We love this rusty. Nothing like the older pre-greenies to make you work. Mine was happy at not having to go over the troll bridge. Today we will, gulp. Hopefully, we too will have a carrot margarita.. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif At least there's no air flow over a slight fluff. And so far, it's sunny....

[Cinnybren]

Vet called! X-Rays of left hock and pastern were clean! Right hock had a minute change, but not anything the vet was concerned about. So, all's well there! As soon as Murphy gets new shoes we can start riding again. Hopefully, the saddle will be here to try too! Yea!!!

[Merry]

Whoopee, BNH! I always dread taking any kind of xrays on our horses. Heaven only knows what'll show up. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Yes, keeping all four feet on the ground is one of my main objectives, too. Or how about the, "I know I need to get after my greenie with my stick, yet I also know that'll result in a repercussion, such as a pitch, a kick or a bolt. What to do, what to do..." /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Great news BNH! Bet you're heaving a big sigh right now.

Ah well, the interminable Chuck was good. Led by an illustrious WB mare over the troll bridge. She towering over him with that "do it or else" look on her lovely face. Then he had to try a bolt, and whirl. She however would have none of that, and just stared him down. But then, there was a puddle. And leader that she was, she allowed him to place the first foot in. Thus, mud splashing began. Not a pretty picture. And diffinitely not on her wish list. Ears flattened, she snarled, stop it, and stop it now. Thus a sun filled trail ride came to an abrupt end.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[LittleWitch]

This Cat Stevens' song (Father and Son) is my greenie's theme song. I sing it (badly) to him all the time. I guess the part about finding a girl and settling down doesn't really apply to my gelding, but the parts I bolded are pretty appropriate.

It's not time to make a change, just relax and take it easy
You're still young that's your fault,
There's so much you have to know
Find a girl, settle down, if you want to, you can marry
Look at me, I am old, but I'm happy
I was once like you are now, and I know that its not easy
To be calm, when you've found something going on.
But take your time, think a lot, think of everything you've got
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not

[Bumpkin]

Elliot and I did not jump a jump!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Cantering down to an oxer on the diagonal, he kind of peeked at something to my right and I did not use any left leg at all, I was in such shock that I had to circle him around and do the jump.

Afterwards we decided he had all of the sudden noticed a narrow solid white coop sitting one stride out on the right side of the approach to the oxer. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

That will teach me to not just sit there, but use my legs when I feel that happen again, haha

I cannot complain, as Elliot has taken me over everything since I got him in September of 2000.

But on a 4 stride line he hit the first element and tried to get me off after landing from the second one /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif Twice!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think Elliot was feeling really good today.

[Cinnybren]

Bumpkin - The Pro-Fit just arrived. I'll be off to the barn at 5pm to test the fit on Mr. Murphy! Woo-Hoo! Sounds like Elliot was full of beans Friday, hope the weekend got better.

Wish us luck!

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[Chef Jade]

This thread has been stuck at page 46 for several days now. Everyone's greenies must be behaving or its too wet/cold/snowy/windy to even attempt to get a good work in.

I finally did get a few pictures of Dekster. My very immature 3 year old Oldenburg. After the 1st of the year he is going to go to pasture to grow up! (that is also a clever way for me to avoid having to tromp through the mud during the rainy season.) /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ooops! Just realized that this is labeled "trot" but its the canter.

[Chef Jade]

You can see we are still not at the "contact with the mouth" stage. But he does know his leads! (mostly)

[daytimedrama]

oh he is sooo cute!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~Christina~
"I don't patronize bunny rabbits!" -Heathers
*Nothing is foolproof to a talented fool.*

[Bumpkin]

Watch out for sunburn with that cute nose!! haha

Isn't Dekster staying at the same place as Jade? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JumperEq]

Chef- Dekster is a cutie! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

.:Erin B #2:.
Won't you let me take you for a ride.
You can stop the world try to change my mind.
Won't you let me show you how it feels.
You can stop the world but you won't change me.
~*~Cold~*~"Bleed"~*~

[LaurieB]

Thanks for waking up the thread! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Dekster is adorable and you look like you're having a great time with him.

[Bumpkin]

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Never "for the sake of peace and quiet" deny your own experience or convictions.

-Dag Hammarskjold

[Bella]

Here's a photo of my new greenie. He's just 4 but is so laid back. He loves to cuddle and always has to have something in his mouth,,, my coat, a brush, a hoof pick, his reins, the cross ties. It will be hunourous right up until he takes a bite out of me so I'm watching closely that he doesn't get nippy.

I took him to his first clinic last weekend and he handled everything so well. Someone even kicked a bucket at him (by accident) which hit him on his back legs and he didn't budge. I'm looking forward to taking him to our first show together in January.

I wasn't sure I was ready for such a young horse but so far everything is going smoothly and I think he's the perfect match for me.

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[dmj]

awwwww

Dekster and Beau are too cute!!

I miss the greenie days! My 7 y.o. is finally starting to grow up and behave almost like a normal horse! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[wtywmn4]

Never fear dmj, he'll revert just to see if you're on your toes. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Mine continually amazes me. Even on a daily basis! Today we were like old shep. Just plodded around and behaved like a super star. Lesson went fine, hopped (literally) over the ground rails. Did everything he was asked, not a spook nor a snort. Okay, tomorrow will be??????????????? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Both dekster and beau are cuties. Looks like the pre-green divisions are going to have some good competition this year!

[Merry]

The Dekstmeister is so cute! And Beau is of the Hambola ilk: a very lovely head/neck there!

Hammie went on his first yee-haw ride up in the hills on Sunday. I rode him in a western saddle, thank God! I went with a group of girlfriends and I had no idea they were so... so... wild! I kept thinking, "Man, here I am on this expensive hunter, and I'm four-wheeling it up these hills." But Hammie was really good and seemed to enjoy himself. Then today we jumped at my trainer's. I did solid 3ft. courses, and he was really good. I can't wait to do the ammie adult division next year! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[TrickOfTheTrade]

Chef~ you look really little on Dekster, he is really cute!! He is going to be huge by the time he is done growing! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Beau has a great head and is really pretty! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just got done with a quick ridee on Trick... haven't ridden in a week or so... our steering was a little rusty, lol, but we got around.

[Bumpkin]

Sounds like fun in the hills.

BUT congrats on the lesson!!!
Now go to bed dreaming about those rounds!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Cinnybren]

Murph is doing MUCH better under saddle, we're test riding a County Pro-Fit and the last two rides have been progressively better...(who knew the tall TB beastie needed a wide tree) /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif So, last night we were trotting along quite nicely when there appeared a LLAMA in the pasture across from the ring...Dear Heavens! A big white potentially dangerous, horse eating llama. Murphy had to snort at it for a bit (mind you, the llama's pasture is a good 100 yards away), then every time we faced the dreaded llama it required much staring and occasional concern about turning the corner and having our back to the white beast! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Oh the fun! But, I'm just happy to be riding him again! So, bring on the Llamas!

[Underdog]

Hi. I'm brand at CoTH, and think I qualify for the Baby Green Support Group. I'm 40, and bred my own Dutch/TB cross. She turns 3 this May. I've been patiently waiting for her to grow up to someday get back into a "C" division. *LAUGH*

I barely ride anymore. I've have mustered up the courage to get on her 4 times now, with only one explosion that lasted 3 seconds. God help me come May when I really start to work. I really need support....
Here's her picture

[LaurieB]

We love having new members. And Amber is a real cutie.

When I went horse shopping I tried to buy a flashy chestnut but my trainer wouldn't let me (for other reasons, not the flashy chestnut-ness /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) Oh wait, my brief bout of self-pity is passing. I have a dappled grey mare that I adore. Never mind. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Bumpkin]

This is the place to come for fellow greenie support /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Bumpkin]

Mallory gets a lesson a week on Elliot.

They have started jumping, and Mallory likes to have her mom watch her lessons.

I have been so surprised at the lessons in that even though Mallory was never taught to ride by myself she rides with some of the same faults that I have.

Last night during her lesson, I finally saw what our trainer means by forward impulsion to the jump.
I was internally urging the two of them on after a corner to the lone oxer, seeing that he was stringing out and going sooo slowwwwwwww.
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Yes Elliot would take the jump, but without any impulsion and a bit too far back.
This was better than watching a video tape of myself doing the same thing last Sunday!!!

What feels fast is not fast.
What feels nice and comfy is so slow.

I cannot wait to see if I can correct this in my next lesson. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[wtywmn4]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> What feels comfy, is too slow. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Boy can I relate to that! Must be as we get older, whipping around doesn't have the same feel as it used to. Chuck being the good man that he is, jumped into a gymnastic, we were supposed to do it in 10. It actually was set for 9. Well, putting into effect the crunch factor, we did it in 11! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Not a squeal nor a head shake. I was laughing so hard, at being soooo stupid. He does have the patience of a saint sometimes. We then got it right. Trainer staring at me as if I had sprouted wings. "What was that supposed to be?" comes the query. Heck, dunno just kinda took back, and back, and there you are. /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[Janet]

I dunno about the age factor. I am well over 40, but I am much more likely to be "too forward" than otherwise.

[Duffy]

I had a close call with sailing through the air today...It was windy and cold and Gramento decided to take exception to the doors at the end of the ring making scary noises. I guess he decided to take pity on me, or maybe my bribes of ginger snaps before I got on helped... But, he decided to let me get my feet back in the stirrups, get my hands out of his neck, and take a deep breath, rather than finishing me off. Phew!!!!

[Beezer]

The Tig Man had an attack of them last night. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif His pre-ride turnout kinda went like this: Boing! Bounce! Buck! Snort! Boing! Bounce! Buck! Snort! (repeating several times.)

Twice, he tried to fool me into thinking he was "done" and ready to go to work. But his Humom knows him too very well. So back out boing-ing, bouncy-ing, bucking and snorting he went ... eventually, though, he settled down and was a very, very good boy. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[wtywmn4]

Winter gremlins, plus rain on the roof!

With the wind and rain blowing sideways, and our indoor having a metal roof, well, gremlins weren't the only thing a bounding across the ring. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We skipped, snorted, squealed and in general tried everything to unload our rider. Who, fearing the ground looming up, stuck like there was no tomorrow. Or, there might not have been. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Fear of breakage does that to one.... All other mounts and riders clung for what they were worth. No one could even hear if some one shouted, the noise was so loud. But, we all fared better than most, and made it thru unscathed.

[Bumpkin]

I lost some of my memory and just got home from the hospital, but I think I was doing a small trot fence 5 strides and an oxer.

I think he bucked at stride 3 or 4 we sailed over the oxer, and I was so proud of myself for grabbing mane.
Landed, and he bucked some more I pulled his head up he dropped his right shoulder and exited left.
I went right on my bum, back and head.

After that I don't remember too much.....

I guess I did get back on but I don't think I stayed on very long...no memory.....
I was in a lesson, my trainer was there as other people.
And they took good care of me.
Megan took me to the Hospital and they took lots of xrays and a CTI or Cat Scan.

No broken bones, no stitches. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Dr said to not hit my head for atleast 6 weeks or it could be worse.
My back doesn't hurt or my tailbone, but my bummmmm reallllly hurts and bone under there does to, as does my neck.

So off to take my Vicodan and a bath.

My daughter now owes me a Hot Fudge Sundae


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And I need a new helmet.
Any suggestions? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Peggy]

Sorry to hear that Bumpkin. These falls are not fun. I don't envy you getting out of bed tomorrow.

Just how does the doctor propose that you don't hit your head? Are you allowed to ride? Heck, I'm such a clutz I would hit my head just walking around the house.

[elizabeth]

Oh noooooo Bumpkin!!

Thankfully you sound o.k. - no major damage, it sounds like. Oh, I'm soooo sorry.

I think a hot fudge sundae is just the thing. Feel better!

[AAJumper]

Wow...I almost never read this thread (since I don't have a baby greenie), and something inspired me to check this last page and see what's going on!

I'm sorry to hear that you came off and hit your head! How scary! Isn't that weird when you can't remember what happened? I'm so glad to hear you are okay!

As far as helmets, are you looking for velvet, or non-velvet? I absolutely love my Troxel Legacy Gold...fits me like a glove, I kid you not! For shows, I have a Troxel Exeter, which I like a lot. It has an adjustable headband inside, which you can tighten for the perfect fit.

Enjoy the hot fudge sundae!!! You deserve it!

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[Bertie]

All I can say is, "OUCH"!

Thank goodness you didn't break anything! Although I'm sure your bum bruise is verrrry painful. Hope it feels better FAST.

[wtywmn4]

Oh no Bumpkin!

Take it easy Bumpkin, lots of rest. Glad you're alright. You be careful, eat that hot fudge sundae and enjoy. We need our pre-greenies!!!!

[LaurieB]

Sorry to hear about your fall. Since you don't remember much, does that mean you have a concussion? Are you "grounded" for six weeks? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

As for helmets, I have three (and yes, one head in case you're wondering /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) a Charles Owens SJ2000 (for showing), Int'l ATH (winter schooling), and Troxel Dakota (summer schooling), and I like them all.

[Bumpkin]

Started out the evening feeling ok, then I got sick, ugh, then around 3:00 A.M. I felt like my neck could not hold my head up....I felt very wussy to say the least.
Yes it was a concussion. Bum and shin hurt worse though.

Getting olde and falling off is the pits /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I feel a bit better this morning after two Aleve, that Vicodan does not agree with me at all.

And I told Mr Bumpkin I really don't want to take it as it is "Addictive"!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
His reply was, "Horses and Riding are Addictive, I don't see you giving them up /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif " haha

Well I am going to try the Troxel Gold, that is what Mallory has.
Is there a helmet that comes down over the back of my head???

I don't dare start a new thread about it /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

So sorry to hear about your parting of the ways! And to think so many "riders" don't want to wear an approved helmet... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Try on the Troxel, like AAJumper suggested, but if you just want a schooling helmet, I really love my new International ATH, the cheaper skunk helmet.

And no, it doesn't come down any farther on the back of your head. I can't figure that out, either.

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[Bumpkin]

I am so Pro Approved Helmets, always have been.

My mother bought me a harness helmet in the mid 60's and I wore it faithfully.

The one I was using yesterday was an International. I am going to retire it to the dumpster and start out with a new one /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Most likely the Troxel, but what about the Skunk ones?
Would I be ok using one in the Hunters?

[hoopoe]

Stay away from the Vicodan. Makes me 2P, puke and pass out. Much rather have pain.

I would like to invite you to salve your wounds with a Choco sundae on me. I am thinking we might be able to get a good one at Dillitante Chocolates up on Broadway.

What do you think???

Diets be Dammed. Just don't ask me to pull on my tall boots.

_\\]
-- * > hoopoe
Snowmen fall from heaven unassembled.

[wtywmn4]

Absolutely Bumpkin, you can wear it in the hunters! The officials have received letters stating thus from the USAE. Saying that no recourse for such a helmet is to be noted. In other words, what-ever you feel safe in, is your choice and should not be penalized, period. Have seen more & more GPA's in the hunters, both Jr's and Adults.

Second that on the Vicodan. It's tough on the tummy for sure. Makes me woozier than I already am /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif But, seriously go slowly. And call your doctor if it isn't getting better.

[Bumpkin]

You don't have to drive me all the way into Seattle!!! haha
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I mean if you really want to hop on Elliot the bronc, it would be had for easier than that at the moment.

I am going to look into the Skunk Helmets also.
Thank you for letting me know they are Ok to use. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JumpTheMoon]

Sorry to hear about your fall. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I fell off 6 times the summer before last, and it was not fun. Not even a baby greenie, just a chronic stopper. Luckily, I have never had a concussion and don't ever want one!
Just thought i'd tell you that I have a skunk, absolutely love it, and wear it in the hunters. Most of the juniors in Ontario have skunks and wear them in the hunters. I had a Troxel Gold as well and the skunk is a thousand times better. It really doesn't look big once it's on, and it's super comfy!
I hope you feel better soon. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I (among others, I presume) will be thinking of you! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~I am an angel on a field trip from heaven /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif~

[LuckyMe]

So sorry to hear about your fall, Bumpkin! The horses are feeling awfully fresh in this cooler weather....

As far as helmets, I recently got an International Royale. I LOVE it. Can't say enough good about it. Its lovely, low profile, and has a really nice soft, deerskin-covered harness. I think Miller's is the only place that carries them, they are fairly new....

Hope you are feeling better asap! Take care of yourself!!

[AAJumper]

Another thumbs down for Vicodin! I took it once at work in the morning after getting a tooth pulled, on an empty stomach (dumb!). I felt like I was drunk! I don't like the way it makes me feel...like, well, drugged! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Bumpkin, I've seen people wear the GPA's in the hunters. I think you'll see that more and more. Just make sure you get the approved titanium one! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Merry]

Well, I HAVE to take Vicodin occasionally when I'm having severe facial nerve pain. I hate to take it. I hate the way it makes me feel. But about 10 minutes later, it's like turning off a light switch: The pain is totally gone. Of course, I have to refrain from picking up my credit card and watching QVC, or signing any important documents, because I'm completely wasted... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif How anyone would choose to take Vicodin to get "high" is beyond me. But I digress...

I've asked some of my judge/friends, and they don't think there will be a problem with "skunk" helmets in hunters. Frankly, I think the International ATH skunk (what I have) looks a little more traditional because it's blacker. But I'm hoping our sport is progressing beyond worrying about the hue of an approved helmet.

Just take care, Bumpkin, and maybe Hammie should have a long distance talkin' to with Elliot. You never want to bruise the hands that feed you, you know! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[AAJumper]

Merry, I'm so sorry to hear that. The facial pain sounds excrutiatingly painful. I had some freaky facial pain after my accident where I got clocked in the cheek with a hoof. Whenever I opened my mouth a certain way, I got this horrid pain...it was undescribable. As for people taking Vicodin to get high, I am with you...seems completely strange to me!!!

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[Beezer]

Tigger says he's calling Elliott RIGHT NOW to give him a stern what-for. He, too, sends his feel-better-soon wishes.

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[SquishTheBunny]

Greeny # 1 has the winter off. Lucky boy.

Greeny # 2 (have I told you about her) is the 7 year old I just bought. She had done nothing. I have been on her back about 4 times now and we are already walking/trotting and hacking. She was broke (walk trot) at 4 but had HORRIBLE experiences. She is scared poopless of her bridle and man...she's got a long way to go. Anyway, she seems to enjoy the cold weather so we are working walk and trot and lots of lateral work. So far there has been no death, on my part or hers. Heres hoping we keep going this way.

[LuckyMe]

A little update on my greenie as well...

The trainer has been working with her (and me!) for about a month now and she's really coming along. She's muscling up and her attitude has improved significantly-- I think she was just bored out of her mind and more than ready for a challenge. The trainer's been doing lots of ground driving and a little bit of work in side reins on the longe. She hopped on her for the first time last week, which was of course very exciting for me seeing as I've waited over two years for this!

We've decided to back her western and see how it goes-- she is after all bred for reining, and tho she'd make a decent enough hunter, I can no longer deny the fact that her real strengths might be elsewhere! So who knows, maybe I'll be trading in my nice Ainsely for a Circle Y.....!

Hope everyone has a happy and safe holiday!

[Chef Jade]

OUCH! I am glad you are OK!

I just purchased myself a Christmas gift! An International skunk-head approved helmet! It is quite comfy and I do feel good that am I am doing something to protect my noggin.

[Bumpkin]

How was the ski trip?

I plan on going and trying that helmet before Thursday. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I asked Mr Bumpkin, Mr Design Engineer, about the helmets.
And I was so shocked how easy he explained why it is a good idea to replace my olde helmet. Also the whole theory of what happened to it when I was a lawn dart.
I want him to write it down and I shall post a new thread about it.
If no one minds a new helmet thread.
This is not about which one to purchase, but what happens and why. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

Chef, I got the same hat, too! It is indeed quite comfy.

Hammie has been behaving himself lately. Can it be that he is maturing? Could he be growing up? Could he be luring me into thinking he's gonna be a "STAR" this year, only to crush my hopes with his first class? Naaahhhh...

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Bumpkin that would be great if you can post that information. Maybe a little redo, putting it in laymans terms??? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You know us non-desginer types.......

Not only would that be informative, it could very well help people understand the why of wearing a good helmet.

[Bumpkin]

Mr Bumpkin just posted something.

Hope that you all like it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Cinnybren]

Bumpkin - Sorry to hear about your unexpected dismount, hope your feeling better today... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif No fun at all having a concussion.

Sounds like most of our greenies have been fresh in this crisp weather.

[LaurieB]

I have the Int'l. ATH helmet as well and it is comfortable, but I'm finding that the fit keeps changing. After I'd had the hat for about a month, it started falling down over my eyes when I was jumping. I put a pad in the lining to adjust the fit and it was good for a while but now (six weeks later) it's doing it again.

I've never had this happen with a helmet before. Anyone have any ideas? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Bumpkin]

My helmet was a velvet International. It would do the same thing and creep down over my eyes making me jerk my head going around the corners trying to get it back up.
Not good. Don't know why it was like that on and off either. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Chef Jade]

Try my trick...

Insert maxi pads around the inside of your helmet. Benefits: Provides a perfect, custom fit, absorbs sweat, and is disposable!

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[LaurieB]

Thanks! I'll give it a try. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[DMK]

Ya know, I am just NOT going to respond to this maxipad/helmet thing, and I want you all to admire the restraint that requires... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tomorrow should be interesting. RV has been off for about 6 days while I was out of town, and meanwhile, winter has finally decided to pay us a visit (sigh... I didn't miss it). I opted for the chicken's way out this afternoon and decided to lunge him. He really was a good boy, so here's hoping he is tomorrow!

I did try a nice little exercise with him before I left, and was very impressed with how it worked. His main problem (I wouldn't want to imply he only has one /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) is that he doesn't have a good natural back up in front of the fence. He doesn't rush or make a bid at all, but he just doesn't back himself up (and let's face it, if you are going to be a fancy hunter you gotta have the backup!). As a consequence, he lands in a bit of a heap on the other side, and the first stride out is an On The Forehand Special.

Enter Legendary Trainer/Rider suggestion... Instead of your normal landing pole 9' out, try using a triangle of 3 poles 6' to 8' feet out. GOOD GRACIOUS GOD ALMIGHTY, WHERE HAS THIS BEEN ALL MY LIFE????? Works like a charm. A 24 carat charm, I might add. Tons of backup and lots of balance on the other side...

In fact, just to really test it, I trotted Robbie over it. Now Robbie is not a perfect horse by any means (although he has been known to take a nice picture /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ), but what he does have is "Natural Backup" in spades. As it turns out there is too much backup, and if your horse already has it, he's going to have way too much with this exercise. Needless to say RV will live in this exercise for a while, and Robbie isn't permitted near it!

[equitationlane]

Would you explain the poles again? I am not quite getting it. Do you mean an upside V with a rail in the middle?
Thanks,

A bit dull, here tonight.

[Janet]

do you mean a triangle in the horizontal dimension (all rails on the ground) or vertical (two rails on the ground, third rail only touching the other two rails)?

And is it on the takeoff or landing side?

[DMK]

Ya know, I debated between the word tripod and triangle, and figured both were equally confusing /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Janet - you have it with the "vertical" dimension... two poles on the ground, with one on top, and DEFINITELY on the landing side (I used 8' for RV because a) he is 17'1, b) he has a huge stride, even considering his height and c) I'm a chicken. I would consider pulling it in for a smaller, more compact horse after I had checked his landing marks after a few fences.

We also used it on a very green jumper who has great scope, but really steeplechases the back side of his fence. It did a nice job of rounding our his arc.

[Beezer]

Why do I have visions that this exercise will be coming to an El Ranchito near me soon?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

(As a side note, I'd like to tell the class that Tigger, aka Mr. Perfect, stands like a rock to have his mane pulled and be clipped. His humom doesn't even need a helper, as proved again today. In fact, when she inspected him post-clipping and de-haltering and noticed a few stray hairs, she was able to just put a hand over his nose and clip him sans halter! So take THAT, Hammie! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif )

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[wtywmn4]

Okay Beezer, am sending you a round trip via Southwest to come do Chuck. He's a breeze to clip, but OUCH for the mane. Have tried everything, even riding first then pulling. Nada! Wants to just rip my whole lil bode to pieces for pullin his luscious mane. We do the sneak attack, have even done it while mounted. Luckily he was suprised enough not to unmount me. Have even, god forgive me, thought of clipping or cutting with scissors /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Lord Helpus]

OK DMK, I am temporarily back --- and I still cannot figure out this exercise -- 3 rails? Two pointing in toward the backside of the jump, with the third parallel to the far side of the jump and off the ground? Is that what I am envisioning? How high is this third parallel rail? And is this the one that is 8' away from the jump?

Update on Sophie Moose: 8 rides under tack: she is trotting and cantering in rhythm in both directions, bending in both directions, and trotting beautifully through 8 cavaletti. She has a gorgeous natural headset and is still a "10" mover, even under tack. She loves to be ridden and to get all the attention. She is a total ham. Everytime she is brought to a halt, she tries to eat the riders shoe, but other than that, she is a potential star.

Update on me: Still have muscle weakness, going to the Cleveland Clinic on 1/11 to see the big guy in neuro muscular disorders. Also, I just had a grand mal seizure yesterday, so things are going from bad to terrible. Is it a brain disorder? Is it mysasthenia gravis? muscular dystrophy? Who knows. I will be anxious to find out.

[Bumpkin]

It is so wonderful to hear from you, and how well Sophie is doing.

I will definately jingle the curb chains and pray for you and your health.

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[JustaLurker]

How wonderful to hear from you, Pam.

I know many of us have been quite worried that we've heard nothing from you, but I've been hesitant to ask as I knew you'd post when you had some sort of news. We'll all be thinking of you on the 11th.

Sophie is turning into quite the star. That's great as it seemed she was going to be your least talented. Perhaps a little thinking time brought her around.

Now, I hope I'm understanding DMK's second explanation of the triangle/tripod, based on her answer to Janet. She selected a distance of 8' out from the jump because of RV's size (17.1) and large stride. She made a "pile" or "stack" of the 3 poles (parallel to the jump): she set 2 on the ground, touching each other, making a base; then set the third pole on top of this base. This makes it somewhat more than just a pole on the ground - sort of a little pyramid.

Cheers, Maggi

[Beezer]

We'll all be thinking of you. I can't begin to tell you how much we all hope you will be A-OK!

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[DMK]

Pam, here's more good luck wishes! And Cleveland Clinic has a great reputation, so I know you will get the best care. Keep your chin up and pet a warm fuzzy horse - I'm sure this is quite unnerving...

As for the exercise, Justalurker has got it! I suppose I could have just said to make a pile of poles instead of a single landing rail and pull it in as far as possible, but that would be too easy /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The extra height and depth really gives them something to look at.

I rode RV yesterday after a 6 day vacation, and aside from th eusual "I AM a Giraffe" routine he likes to pull for the 1st 15 minutes, he was a pretty good boy. Just for giggles, I trotted him over an X set up in the ring (no takeoff or landing poles on either side), and he did 4 very nice slow fences, so I am pretty pleased.

Today we go back to the landing pile o' poles exercise, and I think I will add a second element to the exercise sometime in the next few days.

[LaurieB]

Pam, it's great to hear from you again! I, too, am sending all good thoughts your way. Isn't it nice that Sophie is turning out so nicely? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tess (aka Miss Perfect /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ) is having herself a very light winter (that's the way we did it when I was a child--and it just makes sense to me to give them some down time) much to the chagrin of my trainer who is currently taking our lessons more seriously than we are. Nevertheless, we have achieved leg yielding at a walk and trot. I'm afraid cantering may be next. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Merry]

First off, dearest Pam, my thoughts are with you. I am so glad you are having a pow-wow with the Big Kahuna. I shall pray he discovers what's causing this problem. Sophie Moose awaits you, my dear! Let that be your inspiration. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for Beezer's snide comment about the intriguing triangular pole configuration...Thank god that got explained better!I was trying to figure out how I was supposed to make a triangle out of ground poles on the landing side of a jump. So in essence you're making a teeny weeny pyramid, sort of a 6" cavaletti... Hmmm... I can see this at El Ranchito next week...

And as for the maxi-pads in the helmet. Okay, I'll say it. So, they come in handy if you suffer a scalp laceration too, huh? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Oh, I can just see me now stuffing my helmet at the next show. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[wtywmn4]

Curb chains jingling too Pam!!

We are glad to hear how well Sophie Moose is doing. But, it would be extra nice, to hear you are doing well too. Cantering small poles on the ground, and doing your changes /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Janet]

Good luck on geting a definitive diagnosis- then maybe they can figure out how to fix it.

Hope the New Year brings many improvements.

[rusty]

Pam
Curb chains are jingling for you, as well as positive thoughts and prayers.

[Merlin]

Pam, I don't post a lot, but I am always lurking. I have been wondering and worrying about you lately!! Glad to hear you check in, and I will keep you in my prayers. I know this must be frightening for you - but we are all pulling for you! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[*tacks*]

I'm new but I need support!!
I have two green large ponies. One is gorgeous 5 year old, broken late, nice mover, nice jumper, and is such a pretty colour (shes a chocolat brown all over, with red streaks in her tail). Shes gonna be a hunter. Shes a total sweetheart and her trainings going extremely well, minus the sudden urges she gets to rush at fences every now and then, and the fact that she can't do lead changes! Well I get them about 50% of the time, usually with a circle and a little buck or two.

My other mare, not so sweet, shes a total boss mare, tries to kick other horses all the time when I ride. She CAN do leadchanges, not so gorgeous as the other one, she moves nice, is a connermara (STUBBORN) so not the typical hunter (shes gonna do pony jumpers probaly), but can jump the moon. Good transitions, but doesn't flat nice (doesn't like to bend, track, frame). She DOES likes motercycle turns, and to flatten out and gallop to fences (she never stops though). And she does NOT like you asking her for a distance. I can't do anything too much or sudden or she gets defensive and mare-ish on me. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHH I'm taking lessons on both of them, along with my other guy (my saint horse that keeps me sain) and they are improving, but sometimes it just feels like they are never going to be ready to show.

[Bumpkin]

I have to admit I have not climbed back on Elliot since the "Incident".

It has been ten days!!!

My head still hurts, as does my neck, shoulders and lower back.

I am not afraid at all, but I dread the creaky pain that I am going to feel.
Also with the holidays, I have found that I have only had one day away from Mr Bumpkin who is quite happy I have spent all this time sitting here around the house and going shopping, ala family.
And instead of spending that day with Elliot, I ran off to BC with a horse friend to see her new horse. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Should I feel guilty? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[LaurieB]

A resounding NO from this quarter. I'm pretty old too and you know what? I sure don't bounce back like I used to when I was a kid.

Good for you that you're not dealing with a fear factor. Wait until the pain goes away and enjoy the holidays. There'll be plenty of time to get back on Elliot in January.

Or maybe spring. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[wtywmn4]

Another NO to that Bumpkin.

We sure don't bounce back, and the less we get hurt the better is my motto. So just plain take your time.

Yup those prolonged "ala family" holidays take alot out of you to boot. Finally shipped Mr. Wty back to work. I need a rest!!!! Too much holiday. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[GabyNRed]

_If you had a magic wand, what would you wish for as you waved it over your baby hunter or jumper?_

Ah. What to wish for..-sighs-

No Mary, a 25 mile per hour extended trot is not needed to get where we going. How about a nice, smooth collected trot, eh? What an idea.

And Red, sniffing every single pile of poop in the ring is not necissary..and not to mention not exactly attractive when were in the middle of a line and you stop dead and yank your head down just to sniff the nice presant the previous horse left behind. And the wierd lip thing may be comical, but your embarassing your mommy. Cant we just jump and get it over with?

if only...

[Cinnybren]

First, Pam I'll jingle my curb chain here in TX for you too.

Bumpkin, I agree with what the others have said, don't feel guilty. You have all the time in the world with Mr. Elliot. Enjoy the holidays and your family and get back to it when your feeling better! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have my first GOOD lesson at the new barn with Murphy Saturday! We w/t/c without looking giraffe-like, and had such a pretty canter that several others mentioned it too me later! If this continues, we'll get to start some cross-rails next week. Yes!! Finally! After finishing near tears the night before, wondering if I had any business riding a greenie, that maybe I was just ruining him...I guess I'm doing ok, that good ride came just in time to save me from some major self doubt, and a huge pity-party. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now, if it would just warm-up a tich, I could keep on track this week. Unfortunately, when the weather is below 38 (then add the wind-chill), this girl does NOT want to be out riding (I suspect Murphy doesn't care to be out either.)

[Merry]

Well, I had to give Hammie two, yes TWO MRL's (mid-ride lunges) yesterday. He just would not settle down and hack decently. I swear, all I wanted was to canter ONCE around my arena without him elevating like a terrorized giraffe when we went past the arena next to the neighbors. Okay, so they were tossing a silver tarp over their speedboat, but nonetheless... It was not an enjoyable day.

"Friends don't let friends eat fish tacos."

[DMK]

What WAS it about yesterday????? Now it was a full moon the night before, but still...

I opted to lunge both mine because I was too cold and tired from cleaning out the hay shed, and it turned out to be the best thing I ever did...

Robbie - you know, the only made, non-baby on the farm? He was Joe Giraffe with a spook complex. You know it's bad when he bothers to get up for lunging - he's not real motivated in that area.

RV started out just fine, but the trenches he left in my FRESHLY DRUG ring were a crime. I don't know exactly what happened when we went off in the second direction, but it was a Triple Crown Moment.

I wisely opted NOT to hitch up the 21 year old pony for his 2nd driving lesson after a 3 year hiatus...

[piaffeprincess98]

my mare would get some balence! And also, I wish she wouldn't be such a baby about little fences. "oh, no mom...that's too scary for me!"

~*Lindsay*~
A proud co-owner of CorLin Productions. Watch out horseworld, here we come!

[findeight]

Just a reminder that things will change as we age whatever diet, exercise or spiritual path we choose. It is not the same. We are smarter because of experience...even if we forget where the keys are or just what it was we are looking for.
Pam I hope you are ok. E-mail me if you need anything.
As Bumpkin knows I preceeded her with a bad fall. As usual with my bad falls no jumps were involved. I flat got bucked off. Landed flat on small of back. Resulted in several weeks of muscle spasms that would never have occured in the past. Worst pain was when sitting still so no impact on mostly standing job-thank the good Lord for that.
I learned from last year's bad fall-broken leather in the corner at a full gallop-that it is ok to stay off until you are healed mentally as well as physically. That is why we have trainers. Use them.

It's cold here. I wanna go to Florida

[Justice]

because Justice seems to have discovered that his hind legs are attached to his brain (thank you baby green fairy!). We have consistent lead changes! Michigan might be cold - but it is working out just fine. Now, if I could only send him to Florida with the trainer for the winter. . .I have my lottery ticket!

I jumped him 3' 6" for the first time yesterday and it was great fun. Just an oxer coming out of a line, but it gave me an idea of what he will be like to the bigger fences - eager beaver. This one definitely didn't come with a measuring stick /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Pam, I don't have a curb chain, but I am considering buying one just so I can jingle it for you. Please accept my d-ring rattle in the meantime!

[HeartLandGirl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I will wave wand, wiggle my nose, shake my ponytail, whatever...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmm. Lets see. I have a lil green pony who is actually rather not green. But she is still a punk at times. But I would wish that she would... Not spook at the imaginary deer lurking beside the show ring. Remember what a LEAD is during her classes. Not buck after I ask for her to canter. And last but DEFINITLY not least be more polite on the ground. (Not buck, rear, try to trample me etc...) But whenever she seems to get a breakthrough and be polite again she learns some knew trick and acts like she has gone into season. Oh yea... Jumpsalot-how old is Lio?

[Duffy]

Pam - adding more warm and positive thoughts your way! I'm so sorry you're going through this ordeal. You know we're all pulling for you!

Bumpkin - also adding my vote for ABSOLUTE "no guilt"!!!! I haven't been back on Gramento since our last escapade and I won't unless I lunge him first and/or he at least goes out in a paddock big enough for a few bucks. I know Elliott is a saint and he'll be perfect for his mom when you do get back on him. But, don't feel you need to rush it, especially when you are still hurting!

Take care - BOTH of you!