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OnceAThief
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:02 PM
So proclaims the latest cover of JANE magazine. I just swiped the magazine from my roommate so I haven't read the article yet, but judging from the captions and bolded sections, it gives the impression that the majority (it includes excpetions the the "rule") of equestriennes are involved in swaping purging tips in the tack room.

I'll admit - I'm totally naieve on this kind of thing. Is this an accurate judge of riders (not in general, but of a significant set of them) etc? Basically, I'm just shocked to see it mentioned in a regular publication like JANE.. thanks -

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.

OnceAThief
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:02 PM
So proclaims the latest cover of JANE magazine. I just swiped the magazine from my roommate so I haven't read the article yet, but judging from the captions and bolded sections, it gives the impression that the majority (it includes excpetions the the "rule") of equestriennes are involved in swaping purging tips in the tack room.

I'll admit - I'm totally naieve on this kind of thing. Is this an accurate judge of riders (not in general, but of a significant set of them) etc? Basically, I'm just shocked to see it mentioned in a regular publication like JANE.. thanks -

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.

OnceAThief
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:08 PM
Whoo! COTH BB is mentioned..

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.

Serenade
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:11 PM
Can you somehow post the article?? I am a poor college student and have no way of getting a magazine like Jane. Do they have a website maybe?

Sincerely yours,
A Frazzled College Student

Everythingbutwings
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:12 PM
I haven't noticed it a bit, certianly not around my delectable feasts!

Saturday, CDCTA schooling show menu:

Chicken salad sandwiches
Homemade ham biscuits with cranberry honey mustard
Crab mini quiches
Shrimp mini quiches
Vegetable crudite w/sour cream/roasted garlic blue cheese dip
Pecan shortbread cookies
Shrimp cocktail
pretzels
potato chips
Fruit kabobs of pineapple,strawberry,kiwi,raspberry and ripe honeydew melon (artfully displayed /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )
jalapeno jack cheese cubes


/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Take that, JANE!

OnceAThief
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:14 PM
Email me and I'll get a copy of it to you? I don't think I can post it, but I can probably email copious amounts of "quotes" to you if you want.

-Another poor college student looking for something to do tonight instead of studying


And, ETBW - Why, why, WHY can't I show in Virginia?! Argh - down here we have Cheez-its and lukewarm Mt Dew on a good day! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.

NoGreatMischief
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:30 PM
I REALLY dislike Jane.

We used to have copies hanging around in the staff room at my old work. I remember trying to read a few of the articles and finding that they were for the most part, brainless and fickle.

I haven't read the article in question, but I'm pretty sure it is one-sided and inflammitory.

But hey, if they mention the COTH BB, then they can't be THAT bad /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's a lot like nuts and bolts - if the rider's nuts, the horse bolts!
~The Horse Whisperer

Magnolia
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:33 PM
Everythingbutwings, are you really the Martha Stewart of the Horsey set? That sounds AWESOME! But why the baby quiches? Are you one of those sick monsters or something?
I have eaten horseshow food that makes me want to purge...
I hope JANE saw all the wonderful posts from people who believe that their horses helped to make them better and stronger people. To heck with whatever poop they wrote!

Ride it Like You Stole It...

HuntJumpSC
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:38 PM
Oooh! Send me a copy as well....my curiousity is getting the better of me! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif never have read Jane...the extent of my "girl power" magazine is the occasional Cosmo...LOL. Yes...I watch my weight very carefully these days...don't want that "Ghetto Booty" to come back & haunt me...but the logic escapes me (equestrienne or not): Why would you eat a perfectly good meal & then either puke it up or for lack of better word, poop it out!? What a waste /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif However, a water pill every now & then doesn't hurt...except that you have to stay within running distance of a bathroom for about 4 hours. I take one about once or twice a month (for obvious reasons!) /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Perhaps I am walking around with blinders on...but everyone I see at shows seems to look pretty healthy to me. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif SUZ

~~~Do you think the JUDGE saw it???~~~

Magnolia
Sep. 10, 2001, 05:51 PM
They have a website... The girl on the cover looks emaciated, and I'm sure they accept advertisers from companies using emaciated models... Please, copy me an email with quotes from the article.

Ride it Like You Stole It...

JumperEq
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:04 PM
Could I get a copy as well? My email is erburlingham@voyager.net JANE irks me on a regular basis, I don't like to waste my money.

~*~Erin B~*~
Have you hugged your horse today?

Sep. 10, 2001, 06:12 PM
Jane is a magazine that is very sarcastic.. to say the least lol.

If you go to www.janemagazine.com (http://www.janemagazine.com) and go under "in the current issue" it's the table of contents and it shows a pic.

* Fiero *

OnceAThief
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:17 PM
Can I legally quote the magazine on here? Hope so - if not, apologies.

George Morris is quoted in a paragraph that reads:

George Morris...is also known for being shockingly open with riders about how he feels about weight. One of his mottoes is, "The best exercise a rider can get is to push away from the dinner table."..."You see these overfed, over-self-indulged girls and ladies," he says, enunciating each word, "Their riding coats are tight and bulging a little through the seams. They are galloping around on top of the saddle. It makes them top-heavy, like a cork on top of a wave. They hate me, they don't want to hear the truth."

George, a former judge, says he would "absolutely" take points from the heavier rider if two people were equally skilled in competition. ... Later, George tells me, "I hope you don't water down my quotes like you people do, soften it up and whitewash it..."

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Well, guess Jane doesn't have *too* much of an effect. I read the article, posted about it, sat and wondered if my show coat still fits, then went off and had Chick-Fil-A for dinner. Ah well! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.

Magnolia
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:18 PM
I emailed my thoughts via their rant link -
This is what I wrote

Hi-
I am entirely offended by the headline on your cover about how the horsey set "enjoys" bingeing and purging. First of all, anyone who binges and purges is NOT ENJOYING THEMSELVES. Secondly what a horrible generalization of a group of people that are for the most part wonderful, caring, and supportive. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard from people who thought horses were their saving grace.
Secondly, my experience. I was a FAT rider. I was (and still am truly overweight). Although I knew I could do better if I were thinner (being overweight effects both your balance and position), I never was told to lose weight. In highschool, my self esteem took a beating at school - I'd never be popular or a cheerleader because I was fat, but guess what? When I left school to go to the barn, my esteem soared, my friends there, both fat and skinny supported me and cheered me on and I them. A crappy day being picked on at school was quickly forgotten when I nailed a 3' oxer or a tricky combination. The weekends when I knew I wasn't invited to parties weren't so bad when I knew I had a horseshow to go to. Who cares if I lost a ribbon here or there because I was fat... I always left the ring to applause, and I did win my share.
Yeah, nothing beats a tall skinny girl in the eq, but boy, nothing beats an awesome rider in the jumpers. Yes, there maybe some people with eating disorders in the show ring, but they are also on our track teams, gymnastic teams, drama clubs and basketball teams. The majority of young women involved in riding are improving there lives immensley. They are learning how to win and lose with grace, how to deal with adversity, and how to have a bond with something so intense that you will never understand it.
You owe every young girl who ever won a ribbon, or dreamed of showing a HUGE apology.

...I also posted a picture of my, well, rotund behind jumping a jump...

Ride it Like You Stole It...

Anne
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:29 PM
I have not seen this article, but a riding friend of mine says that it refers to George as "the sh!t" of the riding world.

OnceAThief
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:30 PM
It's actually, "...and he's pretty much thought of as the sh!t of the show-jumping world.." /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.

JR*
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:32 PM
okay, not about the ENJOYING part, but honestly, I've had a bowl of rice and 24 8-oz servings of water today. My trainer is CRUEL to me! it's the only thing he's tough about (god forbid he be tough about my riding). the thing is I really am overweight. I hate it and it's not good for me, but it's an inherent part of the A-circuit jr. set. This is sad, but honestly, the first thing I though when I read that blurb on their website was "God, i WISH i was the skinniest girl in the barn". I don't like the way Jane makes it glamorous in some way, and I think everyone here knows that the only reason that article is in there is b/c Michael Kors and RL had anorexic models strutting the catwalks in boots and breeches this fall (equestrian chic, dahling), but there is a more and a kernel of truth in the headline. Donning plus-size flame suit.

JR*
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:36 PM
I'm just kind of stressed (why, why do I have to go to school?????)! Also, I kind of want to move up another level and I'll be allowed to if I slim down....that sounds SO bad, doesn't it? I love my horses, I even love my trainer, but sometimes the stuff that comes out of my mouth, err, keyboard is really messed up. BTW, GM is the Sh!t (ok, I'm so scared of him, and he'd probably go tell me to take a couple of labs in a rubber suit around a sauna, but I just idolize him)

Heidi
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's actually, "...and he's pretty much thought of as the sh!t of the show-jumping world.." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But an impeccably well-turned out and skinny shit he is.

I'm no fan of George Morris but isn't it sad that of all that he's contributed to the horse world, he'll be known forever in the minds of unsuspecting civilians as the 'shit of the show jumping world'. And given his directives to the writer to keep the nasty commentary in the article, it seems a reputation he's quite happy to nurture and encourage. The shit.

Magnolia
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:39 PM
Just out of curiosity, how many young girls still ride with the George, and how are people like Missy Clark about weight?

Ride it Like You Stole It...

JR*
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:42 PM
i didn't read the article, so maybe I didn't get the context right, but when it said "the sh1t", I interpreted that as the yay yay cheerleading mini-skirt wearing BRING IT ON the sh!t, like, the bomb or the best, not the sh1t as in "we hate him"...

Kcorseinop
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jr*:
the thing is I really am overweight. I hate it and it's not good for me, but it's an inherent part of the A-circuit jr. set. This is sad, but honestly, the first thing I though when I read that blurb on their website was "God, i WISH i was the skinniest girl in the barn". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of all, nicely put. Second of all - boy can I relate! While i'm not extremely overweight, I sure am no size 26 TS. The truth of the matter is that I never will be. Neither of my parents are sticks, and i'm "big boned" - or atleast I like to keep telling myself that. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But I have realized that eating 1, 6 or no boles of rice will change that. Instead of stopping eating, it's better to excercise and eat healthy. Eat smaller portions of healthier food, but always have food in your stomach every 4 hours. You'd be amazed at how fast that weight can come off. It's not something magical - it's like being an effective rider - you have to WORK for it. WHile I will always wish I was the skinniest girl in the barn, or even a size 28 TS, it won't happen and it's nothing i'm going to kill myself over. My horse is more important than my weight any day.

JumperEq
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:50 PM
Jr
I took "the sh!t" as the "yay yay cheerleading mini-skirt wearing BRING IT ON the sh!t, like, the bomb or the best" as well. JANE mag was trying to be the ever-so-on top of things magazine it tries to be.

~*~Erin B~*~
Have you hugged your horse today?

Heidi
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:57 PM
How old am I when the word 'shit' has evolved into a compliment? I suppose I'm now 'old school'. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(I can see it now, this thread will now degrade to a raging debate about the origin and definition of the word, 'shit'.)

On many issues, and specifically as it relates to body image, and factoring in the fact that girls have a hard enough time combating these social pressures without having to confront the same conceits and standards in their chosen sport/hobby, George Morris is the worst thing to have been unleashed onto the sport.

JR*
Sep. 10, 2001, 06:59 PM
but he's such a cute old man! like a teddy bear. don't ya just want to walk up to him and hug him!! huh heidi, huh????LOL ROTFLMAO
ok guys, seriously, I HAVE to write this paper...

Heidi
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:10 PM
Jr*, I think Grandpappy George would prefer to be hugged by our trainer. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JR*
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:13 PM
I'm peeing out all 24 oz. actually, your trainer might be too old for gandpappy...he's so good with the kids..................

Canter
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:18 PM
Not with that bristly brushcut /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sh!t he may be, but he's never promoted anorexia. All he's ever said is that hunters are placed according to the overall package they present. Long and slender will always beat out short and slender or long and heavy or short and heavy.
That's the man's bias. Heidi, ole Georgie is the one who's old school!

OnceAThief
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:20 PM
Might keep me from eating for at least a little while /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Another Georgie-Porgie Gem:

"But he doesn't think this (judging down not-so-skinny people) leads to many eating disorders. "That's called going to extremes," he says. "...I don't know it. I don't think I created it."


As an aside, I just finished typing out the article if anyone wants me to email them "copious quotes" from it - just drop me an email if you do.

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.

kissandtell
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:22 PM
Hey Delighted, my interest has been peaked, could you send me a copy of those "quotes"?-- sydney781@yahoo.com

Thanks!

** Ashley and a big fannie named Annie **

Midge
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
I haven't noticed it a bit, certianly not around my delectable feasts!

Crab mini quiches
Shrimp mini quiches
Vegetable crudite w/sour cream/roasted garlic blue cheese dip
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ETBW, we need recipes!!! All in the interest of good health, of course! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

dogchushu
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:46 PM
Agreed Midge! Forget copies of the article... I want copies of ETBW's recipes!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Reginapony
Sep. 10, 2001, 07:55 PM
I tried to find the artical on Jane's website, but I guess they don't talk to Mac computers.

AAJumper
Sep. 10, 2001, 08:31 PM
Jr*, like Frog said, eating only rice will not help you lose weight. I saw a great show on The Learning Channel that explained from a physiological standpoint what happens when you diet.

First, the body goes into conservation mode. You will first lose a lot of water weight (don't remember the exact reason for this), inspiring you to continue on with the diet. Then your body weight starts to level off once you've shed the water. You then try harder to eat less. And the brain become irritable with the lack of proper nutrients. Finally, you cannot stand it any longer and you binge, gaining all the weight back plus some. Your body thinks it is being starved and it will do whatever is necessary to prevent this from happening, including slower your metabolism.

But there is a way to lose weight...EXERCISE! Naturally you want to cut down on fatty foods and foods with empty calories, but exercise is the key to increasing your metabolism. Exercise builds up muscle, and the more muscle you have, the more calories you burn, even when you are at rest! And the more exercise you do, the healthier you feel, and the more energy you will have to do even more active things, like going for a walk, riding your bike, whatever. And the more time you spend doing those activities, the less time you have to sit around thinking about food!

spaz
Sep. 10, 2001, 08:39 PM
Would someone please send me the article?

chiquitabanana86@yahoo.com

http://user.boardnation.com/ythejuniorsclique/board.cgi
Junior Clique!

Glimmerglass
Sep. 10, 2001, 09:14 PM
For those who wish to express their dislike of the article and the exaggerations, I'd suggest emailing Jane Pratt.

Go to this link and send your feedback to her.

http://www.janemag.com/2001/forms/mail.htm

Janet
Sep. 10, 2001, 09:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I haven't noticed it a bit, certianly not around my delectable feasts!

Saturday, CDCTA schooling show menu: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ETBW, You should have seen the swarm when I announced: "The volunteers have finished their lunch. Competitors are welcome to the leftovers."

Baileybff
Sep. 10, 2001, 09:42 PM
Try having my MOTHER! I agree that I have put on a couple of pounds...but everyday I hear "You have put on some weight there girlie" or " You are starting to look just like you did after you had Matthew" or "Are you eating again?"
I guess it's good in one respect, but ugggh, I get sick of it sometimes. I'll go on binge diets. The kind where I eat nothing but rice and drink water. It knocks off about 15 lbs the first month, and about 10 the next month. I don't know about the 3rd, cause I can't stay away from FOOD that long, lol. Eat sensibly...Hmph.
Should we all have to eat "MUSH" (or "gruel" as Suz and I call it) like GM? We actually saw him eating what appeared to be Beat Pulp at a clinic a few years back. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif NOT I SAID THE FLY!
Anyway...with magazines like this one it's no wonder girls are sick, malnourished, bulemic, annorexic, etc. I don't care if GM would pin me lower than he would the stick figure riding against me. That stick figure couldn't ride some of the horses I could either. How do they make it through a normal horse show day without keeling over? I'm sorry if I offend some of the "smaller" people here...but get off the weight issue would ya! It's hard enough being an average weight with all the teeny tiny girls around these days. I'm 5'8 and not ashamed to say that I currently weigh about 145 lbs. Hell, I've had a kid. OK OK OK...I'll stop now. I could go on for years...but it won't do any good. Sorry for the long vent. This IS a touchy subject for some of us! Natalie /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

You're only as good as the judge thinks you are...

Jo
Sep. 10, 2001, 10:24 PM
Could I have a copy of the article too? Jo_at_COTH@hotmail.com. TIA.

heelsdown
Sep. 10, 2001, 10:33 PM
I'm gong to check out this article, and I mean really check it out. What I've heard so far on this thread uttelry disgusts me. If GM said these things, given what we know now about eating disorders and body self image then I am equally (again), disgusted with him. And that is surely a shame because I think that he is a teacher whose legacy extends to the very roots of hunter/jumperdom in our country. I WONDER WHAT GORDON WRIGHT WOULD THINK OF HIS VIEWS OF THIS???
Personally I suspect he would be ashamed. And if Goerge really wants to wonder where we were a few decades ago when our USA team was knocking the socks off of everyone take a look at Melanie Smith (who was no one's idea of Kate Moss) or Katie Monhahan, not exactly anorectic either. Yeah the the winners of the Medal/Maclay final may have been barfing in the bathrooms at the Garden but the girls who got the job done in the GRAND PRIX had some meat on their bones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! makes me want to scream.

Oh, go ahead and raise that schooling fence a little higher, use a metal pole for the top rail, it'll teach your horse to be more careful when he nicks it. Of course it MAY be the last thing he ever does, poor bugger, gee, he was nice horse, just didn't learn his lesson..... DOA

[This message was edited by heelsdown on Sep. 11, 2001 at 02:06 AM.]

Jane
Sep. 10, 2001, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>George, a former judge, says he would "absolutely" take points from the heavier rider if two people were equally skilled in competition. ... Later, George tells me, "I hope you don't water down my quotes like you people do, soften it up and whitewash it..." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, I'd bet good money that if the above was indeed a direct quote from George, then he most likely said it in good humor...knowing the "reputation" he has out there.

I must admit, I'm now curious to read the article. I checked out the magainze when it first came out, thought it was...umm, "crappy", and never picked up another copy again. BTW, isn't the magazine named after Jane-something...she used to have a tv talk show?

Jane
Sep. 10, 2001, 10:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heelsdown:
Oh, go ahead and raise that schooling fence a little higher, use a metal pole for the top rail, it'll teach your horse to be more careful when he nicks it. Of course it MAY be the last think he ever does, poor bugger, gee, he was nice horse, just didn't learn his lesson..... DOA<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lets NOT go there again! That whole incident was blown way out of porportion back then, mostly by people who didn't have all the facts. Those who know GM knew how devastated he was, and yes, it was a freak accident.

Megan & Tequilla
Sep. 11, 2001, 12:24 AM
Being your typical idealistic-to-the-end teenager who argues well, and enjoys it /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, I can see both sides of the coin. So I'm going to play devil's advocate.

If you're going to show in hunters, then you obviously know that it IS subjective and there is a chance that you will be marked down if you don't fit the perfect picture. Regardless of whether that is right, when you reach the pinacles of a sport the differences become minute and the little things mean the difference between first and middle of the pack.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Or, do something about it other than unproductively moaning.

I also feel that it's important to treat both horse and rider as athletes. No sensible horseperson would consider giving their horse a hard workout without some sort of warm-up routine, many times a highly detailed one. Yet how many riders even bother to stretch before climbing aboard? Not to mention diet (horse gets carefully balanced grub with a mix of vitamins, supplements, daily wormer, etc. while rider munches day-old pizza or greasy french fries...anyone else see a problem here?).

This train of thought leads me to agree with George Morris. However, I don't think of it in pounds so much as in fitness levels. An unfit rider is as destructive and dangerous as an unfit horse. And I don't care whether that unfit rider is fat or skinny. It's just plain unfair to the horse.

I think it boils down to YOU being fit enough for the job at hand, and is an issue of individual responsibility. If you are a heavier body type, so long as you have the body control and stamina to *help* your horse do his job, then more power to you. At the same time, I hope these riders are especially aware of the importance of saddle fit, conditioning of their mount, and other horse care to keep the horse healthy and happily performing. Because, regardless of where you stand on any single issue, that's the ultimate goal.

So, how'd I do? George Jr. or what? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jsg24
Sep. 11, 2001, 03:21 AM
Magnolia - Great email to Jane. You could not have said it any better.

I have noticed an increasing trend amoung juniors to be extra skinny for the Eq. I hope their is little truth in this article, but I doubt what truth there is applies just to riding. The wafe models are everywhere and the pressure to be super skinny is there whether you ride or not. I would be interested if anyone knows of any real studies on eating disorders and riding vs. the regular female population. I doubt the numbers for riding are much different that the numbers for the regular female population.

FairWeather
Sep. 11, 2001, 06:01 AM
ANNOYED with that E-mag. Looks like someone trying so hard to be cool and "fit in" that it just looks pathetic...
Anybody else turned off by the "humor"?
As for the article, I havent read it.
Speaking from personal experience, I have never been too "small" in fact, I often joke that I left the womb at least 5'
I've put on some...ugh...extra luggage since college and it does bother me, but I still think i'm a great, effective rider...lard-@$$ or not.
I agree with whomever said "Whoever is binging and purging is NOT enjoying themselves"
I can speak from very strange personal experience...I've been called bulemic from more doctors than I could shake a stick at because I suffer from a VERY strange malady that involves SEVERE acid reflux (yep, I've tried all the meds...) and um...this is gross...
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regurgitation of about 60% of my food.
Every new doctor tries to convince me to see a shrink instead of a gastro specialist.
I'm sure more than a few of the people reading this know that throwing up is UNGLAMOROUS, disgusting and can ruin your teeth, ruin your esophogus and lead to cancer.
Alright, looks like I've wandered off course with this...
Anyhow...I'd like to read the article, but I wont give them the satisfaction of banking my 3 bucks.
JMHO...
FW

Eglinton
Sep. 11, 2001, 06:50 AM
Fairweather...there is a condition that causes you to regurgitate your food...like alot of food...I know someone who has it, and there is an operation to fix it but apparantly it is very risky. My dad is a doctor he was telling me about it. Have you seen a specialist? I know that it is very unpleasant and awkward for the person I know who suffers from it.

Magnolia
Sep. 11, 2001, 08:30 AM
Getting mind off terror...
Fairweather-
See a homeopath, or naturopath about your acid reflux...certain herbs and lifestyle changes can help. I cured my problem by:
1. eating a light dinner, and eating nothing ofr @ 2 hours before bed.
2. Sleep on my right side
3. watch the booze & chocolate
4. Drink aloe juice daily.

Ride it Like You Stole It...

DarkerHorse
Sep. 11, 2001, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Delighted:
Email me and I'll get a copy of it to you? I don't think I can post it, but I can probably email copious amounts of "quotes" to you if you want.

-Another poor college student looking for something to do tonight instead of studying


And, ETBW - Why, why, WHY can't I show in Virginia?! Argh - down here we have Cheez-its and lukewarm Mt Dew on a good day! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Swift's Injuries: 4 Major, 21 Minor, 9 XRays. Injuries to rider: 6.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Please E-mail a copy to webmaster@catchride.com

Thanks!

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http://www.catchride.com

HeyYouNags
Sep. 11, 2001, 10:27 AM
Strapping George Morris down, and force-feeding him like a goose for foie gras, until he weighs 300 lbs....

please raise your hands, or alternatively, shake your ghetto booties.

Colin
Sep. 11, 2001, 11:03 AM
Please email me a copy of the article.

bfox@es.com

Thank you! I tried to get it here in Utah and they don't have the October issue out yet.

Regalmeans
Sep. 11, 2001, 11:15 AM
Can someone please send me a copy of the article
shluchan@drew.edu

Ag - I actually recieved an email asking to INTERVIEW me for the article. B/c I don't like JANE and refuse to support that sort of magazine - I politely declined.

Please please email me so I can see exactly what sort of BS they are swinging here~

Sarah * AKA "Regal's Person"
http://www.geocities.com/regalmeans
"your light reflected now - reflected from above - we were but stones - your light made us stars"

Trixie
Sep. 11, 2001, 08:28 PM
THIS IS SICK.

As someone who's been called anorexic a thousand times, I present this from that standpoint. You don't need a specific body type to be a good person/rider, whatever. These magazines are supposed to be promoting self-esteem for girls, and I just find it tiring that they keep promoting the bad parts of every industry. I work in the media, and in terms of eating disorders, if it's not fashion models, it's gymnasts, if it's not gymnasts it's riders, and if it's not that it's crazy parents of beauty-pageant girls.
Upon reading the article I can see where it's coming from. I've got a few friends with anorexia and it can get scary. I DO believe in promoting awareness of this - so I'll admit that this article had a purpose, and the sources were all credible. These aren't backyard trainers, they're George Morris and Allen Balch and so forth. However, what I don't like is the way they promoted it.

Send me a copy. Trixie@erols.com

[This message was edited by Trixie on Sep. 12, 2001 at 01:15 AM.]

Snidgie5
Sep. 11, 2001, 08:31 PM
Could someone send me a copy too? I can't seem to find the magazine anywhere. Thanks! seseidman@yahoo.com

nutmeg
Sep. 12, 2001, 04:07 AM
I'm a readaholic so I read EVERYTHING... including Jane. I'd categorize it as the most schizophrenic of women's magazines... it has a flashy editor with "edge" who nonetheless works for a major publisher and accepts ads promoting the inescapable, impossibly thin image they decry in many of their articles. However they DO try to put in as many empowering articles as they can without offending the advertisers... and they don't mind offending/titillating the readers at all. Some of the headlines they put on the letters to the editors are laugh out loud funny and more sarcastic than any British head groom. However, don't leave it lying around where your 12 year old will get to it... they'll get more of an education than you may like them to have!

ponyjocke
Sep. 12, 2001, 08:54 AM
Please send me the article too at jenaddis27@hotmail.com

Velvet
Sep. 12, 2001, 08:59 AM
We don't have to binge and purge, we just get lipoed. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Actually, this is crazy and not true...of all horse sports. Maybe there are some that have certain groups that do it, but in all my years in eventing and dressage I've never seen it. (Hmmm...if you can only be skinny, how come the bigger sizes in breeches are often the most popular sellers??) Seems to me this magazine is a crock.

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VTrider
Sep. 12, 2001, 10:38 AM
SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR JANE IS ON THIS BB. THAT'S NOT TOO HARD TO FIGURE OUT!

HN73
Sep. 12, 2001, 11:14 AM
I haven't read the article. Perhaps I will while in line at the grocery store tonight.

Is it presumptious of me to think it might be tongue in cheek?

Sandy M
Sep. 12, 2001, 11:29 AM
Someone said they WISHED they could fit into 26 TS breeches. Now, do TS (I'm a DQ so I don't know) fit differently? Most of my breeches are 26s and I'm 5'7-1/4" and around 135-140 - not overweight, but hardly emaciated (I would like to lose a few lbs, but I'd still wear a 26). If size 26 in breeches is the ideal, then I think there are even fewer purging and binging types out there - no need!

DarkerHorse
Sep. 12, 2001, 11:46 AM
I think this article is very wrong.. about a lot of factual stuff. If they thing 350$ is a lot for breeches, boots, chaps (which i'm not sure why you need at a show), and a jacket, they are out of their mind. I hope someone mails them a copy of the thread, I am going to be writing them and tell them my mind.

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BarbB
Sep. 12, 2001, 12:23 PM
please send me the article too....

tapestry659@cs.com

thanks

BarbB

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lauriep
Sep. 12, 2001, 12:39 PM
those things, and not in a humorous manner. He has ALWAYS believed that riders should be thin, both for appearance sake and so that they get full advantage of getting their leg around the horse, something that heavy calves and thighs doesn't allow for, and especially for short legged riders. He also feels full-busted women ARE unbalanced and thinner riders tend to not have this problem. True, Melanie and Katie weren't the most svelte of riders, but George wasn't happy about it either. Their talent was just too awesome for him to worry about it too much.

That said, he has never, to my knowledge, encouraged poor or dangerous eating habits. Just less intake and more exercise.

Laurie

Bored*
Sep. 12, 2001, 03:15 PM
can you fit into 26's. I'm about 5'3" and weigh around 100-105 pounds and wear a 26! Can I not read or did you really say you were 5'7", 130-145 pounds and wear a 26!

~Rachel~

Sandy M
Sep. 12, 2001, 03:26 PM
three are On-Course brand and one Harry Halls. Both are 26 long and while they are a smooth fit they are not "skintight". I also have a couple of pairs of Harry Halls that are 28 long from before I lost about 30 lbs. But like I said, I'm a DQ: Maybe our breeches are cut more generously to soothe our fragile egos. Sort of like a, say, Armani "size 8" is more generous than an off-the-rack size 8?? *G* Or may TS breeches are cut a little too sparingly to convince hunter princesses they need to diet even MORE?

$350 for a jacket?? Yikes. I've seen 'em for that much, and shadbellies are even pricier, but I show in a jacket that's quite nice and cost CONSIDERABLY less than $350. Heck, at most I wear it 2-3 times a month during the summer and when the temps hit the 90s, not all: How expensive does it need to be for that kind of use?

5
Sep. 12, 2001, 05:12 PM
Why is it that GM expects mature females to look like adolecent boys? There 'is' a gender difference. It's like starving a bulldog QH and expecting to get a TB out of it. Sorry won't happen. Does he really like seeing riders faint?

keke414
Sep. 12, 2001, 05:19 PM
I've never heard of it.

Jane
Sep. 12, 2001, 06:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Megan & Tequilla:
So, how'd I do? George Jr. or what? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent post!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jane
Sep. 12, 2001, 06:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandy M:
do TS (I'm a DQ so I don't know) fit differently? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, they run *slightly* smaller than the other brands. My height and weight are similar to ICKYtation, and while I'm a 24 in all other brands, I'm more comfortable in the 26 in the TS.

Pirateer
Sep. 12, 2001, 09:01 PM
Im 5'5 and 118lbs....why the heck can't i fit into anything less than a 28?

Rebecca
I am the Zone 12 Clique!!!

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Sandy M
Sep. 13, 2001, 10:02 AM
My breeches are definitely 26s and I'm definitely 5'7"+ and around 140 lbs. give or take. I've got moderately wide shoulders, long-ish legs, definite hips. Most of my dresses, skirts and slacks are 8s or 10s, depending upon cut. Or maybe it's brand: Most of my breeches are either On-Course or Harry Halls. I do know that Harry Halls, in particular, s-t-r-e-t-c-h a lot! *G*

VTrider
Sep. 13, 2001, 10:15 AM
I am 5'9"; 145 pounds, and I can wear size 26 TS's....and I have HUGE hind quarters LOL!

This past spring at Lexington, I got a stain on a pair of my breeches (that were 30's) and I borrowed VTRikki's size 26's LOL! (VTRikki is 5'3" and maybe 100#'s soaking wet.) This is my proudest accomplishment of my life to date LOLOL! I beleive her breeches were 10-way stetch LOL!

Most of my clothes are 6's or 7's - though at Old Navy/Tommy Hilfiger I can wear a 4 (bless those nice clothes designers at Old Navy and TH). In Junior's sizes, I wear a 9 in pants on account of the butt. Like I said early, if I sawed off my ass, I'd probably lose 50#'s /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gifty
Sep. 13, 2001, 05:28 PM
I have read this article and plan on writing a very long letter to the editor.

I was amazed at the incorrect information and the exagerations.

Yes we all know GM has issues with weight, but I truly cannot imagine his saying what he is quoted as saying. Additionally, why did they only present comments from a few? It gives people the impression that they entire industry is that way.

When compared to other sports and the same school age kids in general, we are not any more affected than they are and probably are less so.

Most of the drs I have spoken to have said that being involved in a sport makes a person less likely not more likely to have an eating disorder.

To play a sport, especially riding, you need to be fit and healthy. Yes those that have weight problems may have to diet, but imagine if you didn't ride? Would you not be dieting then?

And yes from the articles slant and sources, it is obvious that they have an "in" on the bb.

I may not always win, but I will always try to win.

JustJumpIt19
Sep. 14, 2001, 06:37 AM
Send me a copy of this for sure! justjumpit1982@hotmail.com
I get asked all the time if I am anorexic, and it's quite annoying. I have a very high metabolism, and I eat every 5 minutes. I like to invite people over for dinner who think I throw up my food, to watch me eat enough food for 3 people. I have very thin arms, and my bones poke out in front of my shoulders like a models, but then I have the ghetto booty! Argh, why can't people accept others for who they are and not what they look like?

~Courtney~

Robby Johnson
Sep. 14, 2001, 06:53 AM
Do a search - the author posted both here and the USCTA board and rec.equestrian looking for input. I emailed with her a bit and will get the article at B&N today.

As someone who suffered from an anxiety disorder that prevented me from eating much (not horse related) I can tell everyone what I've learned ...
being thin does not equal being healthy. I firmly believe GM encourages everyone to be athletic and trim. Not anorexic. An athlete who watches their diet and exercises will always look better aesthetically, but will also be more capable of riding correctly. If you are 5'9" and healthy, it's highly unlikely you're going to weigh 125lbs.

See your doctor and learn what a good weight for you is.

I am 6'0" and at the height of my issues I weighed 148 lbs. I was VERY thin. I went to the doctor yesterday and did a major Homer Simpson when I weighed and tipped the scales at 187! A good range for me is 170-175. Obviously I am taking steps to get to that weight, because it is where I need to be to maintain optimal blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.

Jr* ... a bowl of rice and 8 glasses of water is NOT a healthy diet, sweetie. I admire your determination, but this sort of fad dieting is precisely what Esther was trying to expose in her article. You need to see a physician about beginning a sensible, correct weight loss program.

Robby

ExRacer
Sep. 14, 2001, 12:55 PM
send me a copy to!!!! Thanks so much!!!
exracer84@hotmail.com /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~Shanon~
"Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do--do it and let it speak for itself." --Martin Vanbee

Tha Ridge
Sep. 14, 2001, 02:22 PM
PLEASE SEND ME A COPY! *g* I'm dying to know what these overly uninformed people had to say.

Horse4me2@aol.com

- L.

"I'm here, but I'm really gone."

OnceAThief
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:45 PM
I'm away from my computer for the weekend and can't send anything out. If you would email me (email in profile) I can send out a big mass email when I get back.. Or, I can just search the topic and *hope* I've got everyone - I think I might have sent Jo two copies already, but she might still want a third /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Reginapony
Sep. 16, 2001, 04:15 PM
I went over to my local Border's bookstore and read the article.

Portia
Sep. 17, 2001, 03:23 PM
They finally got the new issue of Jane into the book store today and I got a chance to buy it and read the article, and, only IMHO, it's not nearly so bad as it sounded like from here.

I certainly don't like the cover blurb -- that's really terrible and unjustified. But the article itself points out the existence of a real problem, and does so in what I thought was a sincere way. (I'm guessing the author of the article wasn't responsible for the cover blurb.)

It seems clear to me that the article comes from someone who is either a member of the COTH boards or who was directed to the weight threads as a lurker. A few of our members are identified and quoted by name in the article. And anyone who read "The Weight Issue" threads here can recognize other people who are quoted by psudonyms as our own members whom we have supported and who we praised for coming forward with their experiences so that our other members can learn from them and be aware of the problem and the solutions.

The author even got comments from the person -- to remain nameless but who was mentioned several times on the weight threads -- who is the poster child for eating disorders in the H/J world. And it makes GM -- whose attitudes were also prominently discussed on the weight threads -- look like the jerk he is when it comes to judging womens' appearances. (He, of all people, denies knowing that any of his students were ever anorexic or buliemic!)

The article quotes Alan Balch as follows: "'Maybe we need to have our equitation committee take up this question a little more formally,' he says, sounding sincere. 'If these are things that are out there, maybe we should have some official campaigns.'" From what I've seen of Alan Balch and the new direction of USA Eq over the last several months, I'll bet money that he is sincere and will ask the committee to follow up. So maybe the article will do some practical good in that respect.

To me, the article really doesn't say anything more than make public in the general media what we were all discussing here and agreeing on a year ago -- that the weight issue is a real problem and too many people are ignoring it. Yes, the article publicly exposes a problem in the horse world -- but it is a problem that needs exposure.

JMHO, of course.

Gifty
Sep. 17, 2001, 04:07 PM
I guess my issue with the article was that it implies that ALL horsey teenage girls were in this habit and failed to point out why.

Eating disorders have nothing to do with the sport you play or the hobby you participate in, they are a psychilogical issue manifested in food.

Riding horses makes you no more suseptible than any other sport and probably less likly than some.

Many sports encourage thin bodies, but most, including riding, need HEALTHY bodies.

To me the article was really an editorial, or a personal account, not a true journalistic endeavor, yet it was presented as such. No where is there really a by line, only the statement of the author's name and their views. That to me is an editorial, not a factual article.

Many facts were incorrect, and that makes me question the rest.

I may not always win, but I will always try to win.

Portia
Sep. 17, 2001, 04:34 PM
Gifty, I understand your feeling that the cover blurb certainly did give the impression that all, or the majority, of riders are anorexic or bulimic, and that the article may have given that impression to a casual reader.

They did, however, include several photos of women who they specifically said do not have eating disorders. (One caption reads, "These women pictured do not have eating disorders -- they're just demonstrating a girl's love for horses and the importance of not passing out for lack of food [referencing an over fence photo].")

They also included a statement from a therapist that the horse show world does not breed eating disorders, but that since showing costs a far amount of money and eating disorders are more often found in affluent groups, certain of the young women from affluent families who participate in showing may be predisposed to eating disorders.

On the incorrect facts, there were lots of quotes from various people about their personal experiences and opinions, but I can't see those as misstatements of fact. The one I did notice was the statement that "The getup is not only expensive, about $350 to buy a new set of jacket, pants, boots and chaps, but also tight." I guess we'd like to be able to get all that stuff new for only $350! What were the other incorrect fact statements that you found?

justjumpit40
Sep. 17, 2001, 06:25 PM
Portia, I agree with you!

It seems like there is a lot of jumping to conclusions about this article and it makes me wonder if all of the people who are sounding outraged read the article.

Really, it is time for people to become aware of this problem within our industry and our sport.

I just read the weight issue threads and I was appalled by the posts that were there.

Having participated in horse shows for many years, and not having an eating disorder, I was not insulted by the article at all. If it helps one person to identify their eating disorder or to call out for help then its great.

I do think that GM is getting a lot of heat that he does not neccessarily deserve, as he seems to want people to be healthy, and fit, more than just thin. We tend to read something or hear something and because of human nature jump to the conclusion that the speaker means something that he/she doesnt. It does seem to me that he is a bit mislead to think that none of the riders that have ridden with him had eating disorders, because you just have to look at the show ring in west palm beach and you can tell that there are a couple of grand prix riders that definatly have a problem, and I thought that most of the grand prix riders rode with him at least once in their life.

It occurs to me that maybe because he is a man, he doesnt realize just how sensitive teenage women can be. I mean, if he told me to lose some weight, I would probably starve myself half to death to please him. Maybe he doesnt realize that he has that effect on people. Besides which, I have noticed that the teenage boys that hang out at our barn are really kind of lazy and they dont go out of their way to please anyone, even the people that they like, and the teenage girls will do almost anything to win, look good, be popular, and ride like their idol (whoever is current in the horse world), where the guys are all like, if you dont like it who cares.

GM is a guy, so even if he is as meticulous as I hear he is, maybe he doesnt realize that girls are different in this way. What he percieves as weakness (I hear he thinks girls are spastic) is just an inordinate need to please and gain approval (perhaps a weakness in its own right).

CTT
Sep. 17, 2001, 09:26 PM
Being out of touch for some time I came on today and saw this sitting there and thought to myself after reading this, have some people forgotten that our sport has a verry thick carpet of lies and seacrets? When I opend up the article I saw there a long article that I half to say I did not get insulted one bit nor upset me. Ill half to read it again before I compleatly comprehend it cause I read it so fast but thats besides the fact. If I was to write the article I would have put the same stuff in. It made me cry to read the opening paragraph and read about Shelly. She reminds me of myself. I guess cause we are the same person. Instead of blirbing on about this whole issue I just want to say one thing.... If this in front of any of you was a bunch of BS do you think a magazine like Jane would take the liability to publish it? NONE OF THIS IS A JOKE OR A BUNCH OF LIES!

With one note there is a correction Im not native to Texas, native to Conn. and that is where the whole story started. But it could have happend anywhere. I do now though consider myself a Texan cause here I began a new life.

Kestrel
Sep. 18, 2001, 01:52 AM
While I think that there is truth in that article, I really resent the picture painted to look like everyone on the show circuit all around the country supports having eating disorders. It makes it sound like a healthy rider is the exception. My 5'7 114lb. daughter eats like a trucker and competes in at least two scholastic sports each year in addition to riding two horses. She already resents uniformed busybodies implying that she has an eating disorder - she doesn't - but her best friend, who does not ride, does. Her school (400 students) has ongoing problems with a very high number of girls on the crew team dealing with the issue. Except the coaches don't seem to think it's a problem as it serves their needs. The rate at school is much higher that what I have seen in our barn or the circuit in our area in general. The title of the article is purposefully misleading and is the worst part of the article. I will never buy the magazine again.

stephanie
Sep. 20, 2001, 05:11 PM
I just read the article, and must agree with Portia, et al, who did not find it offensive. In fact, the tone of the article did not differ much from many of the weight discussions we have had on these forums. The author used examples of both healthy and unhealthy riders, and was very balanced in presenting what I think we all know is a real problem. I respectfully disagree with the poster who said she felt the article portrayed everyone on the circuit as "supporting" eating disorders. I think it simply showed that the pressure to be thin exists in the horse show world, as it does in many other sports, that it can be very destructive, and that there are many people who are blind to the problem.

I am planning to save the article to show my non-horsey friends and therapist to whom I have been trying to explain the body image pressure I feel as a rider. (I often say "I don't think I'm a fat _person_, I think I'm a fat _rider_" Unhealthy, I know, but I'm working on it).

I agree that the tag line was tasteless, but the title and the rest of the article I think was right on.

(and if anyone knows the therapist, Kristen Humann, that was quoted in the article and has her email, I think I rode with her as a junior, and would love to get in touch with her).

Whip 'N Spurs
Sep. 21, 2001, 09:25 PM
I know I'm late on this, but could I have a copy? E-mail: Thoroughlybred@aol.com. Thanks.

Laura & Uno
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Evelyne
Sep. 23, 2001, 02:28 PM
May I please have a copy, too?

lindyrules@hotmail.com

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Snowbird
Sep. 23, 2001, 04:18 PM
BUT! In fact at my lowly and inconsequential C-Show it was brought to my attention that an exhibitor (in Beginner rider, no less) received the impression from a judge that she was too heavy.

Well, she isn't slim but definitely not obese a chunky teen-ager who will probably slim out later but with a short leg. I thought I had properly advised her and her mother not to take the comment seriously since the judge was also not very skinny, and in fact varying from the long legged skinny image was not a reason to penalize a rider.

I was horrified, they did not come to me this time because I learned that this girl had been compelled by her mother to lose a pound a day from that show to this. Imagine losing 21 pounds in 21 days, and, her ribbons didn't improve. The mother's reaction was well we'll go home and lose some more weight.

This is an issue for us and it is a travesty of logic. I may be able to understand that George Morris would believe that looking like a little boy was better, I might be able to understand that he believes that girls are out of balance because they have breasts. But, then what about boys who cannot totally comply with the forward seat for anatomical reasons.

Have we become so shallow and so vain that horsemanship is dependent on an image? I was always proud to brag that this sport was the rare exception that did not care what a rider looked like but whether or not the job got done.

I think this may have changed while we were not looking. I don't know if my quotes were included because I am sure they were quite banal for their sensational approach. I would like to know if anyone has the issue. They did not extend me the courtesy of a copy.

But, please do not look the other way, do not think this is not affecting our children...it is serious. We can attack an unsophisticated mother or call her various names but that does not change the fact that in order to help her daughter accomplish a goal she believed it was an important factor.

We need to address this problem and make sure that judges are taught this is not a criteria for any judgment. I am sure it slides into place under the cover of general appearance. But, unless we are going to have equitation classes that are beauty pagents for the riders instead of measure of the riders skills we had better define the criteria. To me, general appearance referred to things like clean tack, groomed horses and polished boots. If these are to be beauty pagents then guys, I'm outta here.

I have spent my life teaching both girls and boys that it's not how you look but what you can do that matters to the world.

Sep. 23, 2001, 07:41 PM
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AAJumper
Sep. 23, 2001, 08:06 PM
My friend knew I was addicted to the COTH BB, so she sent me a copy of the article. I had the same impression that Portia did. I never saw the front page blurb, only the article itself, and I thought it was very well written.

CTT, I was thinking about you when I read about "Shelly" because I remember the things you posted a long time ago. I was wondering if that was you.

Tosca
Sep. 24, 2001, 02:17 PM
I'd love to read the article too, if someone doesn't mind sending it: jcsmith@ualberta.ca

I second what Megan said, and I also agree that exercise is the best way to lose weight. You'd be surprised how much of a difference walking can make. If possible, walk to school, work, the grocery store, instead of driving. Or bike. After I got my license I drove everywhere--it's part of the novelty but now I'm, gasp, carless. I walk 50 mins to and fro class every day, I ride my bike to my horse (20 mins) or at least walk to the bus stop.

Another awesome dieting strategy is to not eat (much) after 6 pm. That's when you're probably least active and your metabolism slows down and the calories add up. Since I live in dorms we eat at 5:30 and even if I'm hungry later I'm too lazy to go down to the caf and get something to eat-I just keep crackers and fruit and soup in my room. It's been 3 weeks and I've lost 5 lbs without really doing anything.

P.S. Robby please don't generalize. I'm 5'9" and 125 lbs (and a size 28 in breeches!), but I'm very fine boned and that's a good weight for me. It's like those machines where you plug in your height and they tell you how much you're supposed to weigh--it just doesn't work like that.

And Jr*, don't worry about your weight. I take it that you're younger; your body is probably in a funny stage right now and your real body type most likely won't materialize for a few years. As the "skinniest girl in the barn" I used to cry because my legs were sticks and guys went for the girls with boobs and they teased me for being "flat." It sucked. Thank goodness things have changed--I'll never be "well endowed" but I appreciate myself just the same. Remember there is no such thing as the perfect figure.

"The question is not can they speak or can they reason, but can they suffer?"

fleur
Sep. 24, 2001, 02:24 PM
I bought the magazine, and can tell you that I won't be again for a long time. What a trashy piece of... well... trash! Did anyone notice that, after the mag finished berating girls with eating disorders, about 20 pages later, there's a model wearing a (horrendously ugly) wool dress, with legs like freakin' toothpicks?!? No joke. They shouldn't cross lines the way they did in the horsey article if they are going to run ads like that. That's not to say that eating disorders aren't a very serious and dangerous presence in the horse world, but they could have written a much better article that didn't make it sound like ALL riders "enjoy" puking, etc.

*EMMA*

Robby Johnson
Sep. 24, 2001, 02:45 PM
sorry for generalizing, but quit being micro-anal. Reread my post, I said "it's highly unlikely." I always encourage everyone to follow their doctors guidelines for weight and height. Beware of those "plug-in" systems ... if a diet company endorses it, it's probably inaccurate (to make you think you need to lose weight). My friend, coincidentally, just lost 19 lbs. She had an "Herbalicious" diet chart. It said for a man of 6'0" (like me) and medium build (like me) that a realistic weight was 145-162 lbs. Well, at the height of my eating issues, I weighed 148 and in photos I look like a skeleton with a big head. I'm happier and better at 175. My doctor agrees with this. Her chart says I should weigh between 165-185.

Robby

PepTalk
Sep. 24, 2001, 06:21 PM
I agree with you! I have read in a few magazines that at 5'0" (which is what I am and forever will be), I should be 95 pounds! Uh, yeah right, what planet are YOU on? Lets try 5'0" and 155. I know some people are like, "Um you are WAY overweight, girl!" Which in a way, I am. But in another way, I have huge breasts (a size C or D, I can't remember) and really WIDE hips. I told my mom that I wanted to lose 30 pounds before next summer(for the show season) and she was like good luck. She told me that I am way too, um, ENDOWED, to lose beyond anything like 10 or even 20 pounds if I am lucky! And she knows what she's talking about because she's been working in a doctor's office forever!:) I will always wish to be tall and thin, but that won't happen to me in this lifetime! Instead, I hope to get into an exersize(sp?) program, eat well and get some muscle on me by next year's show season. If not, so beat it. I personally just wish that some trainers, judges, riders, parents etc. would stop worrying about what their kid(s) weighed and start worrying about whether they can RIDE a 1200 pound animal over a course of jumps!
I say, let the best RIDER win, not who has the best body! For gosh sake's, if you want to get judgeded on your body, go enter a beauty pagent!

Snowbird
Sep. 24, 2001, 06:47 PM
You got it straight.

There is a place for the beauty pageant and it's not in the horse show ring.

Robby Johnson
Sep. 25, 2001, 06:54 AM
And do it because it will prolong your life! I've been exercising regularly for about 3 months now, and I cannot tell you how much better I feel. I walk 3 miles about 4x per week (up and down hills, with my Jack Russells ... we pretend we're getting ready for a three day), and use my Bowflex machine 3-4x per week as well. I'm making changes to my diet, but not radically so. I've probably not lost any weight, but my body shape looks different. Particularly my upper torso, which is becoming much more musculuar.

Muscle does weigh more than fat. Remember that when you begin to exercise. As a woman, too, it's important that you exercise to increase bone density, as this will begin to diminish as you age.

By working your muscles, and making them lean, you WILL burn fat. And, yes, boobs can weigh a lot. I will tell you that I have had several friends who've had breast reduction surgery and swear by it. Of course, they were HUGE and were beginning to have real issues like back aches, etc. I'm certainly NOT encouraging you to go under the knife, but do remember that it could be an option if you begin to experience negative health problems due to being top heavy. Do talk to your doctor about it!

The most important lesson in all of this, to me, is to be the best you can be, and be who you are. No one can ever take your joy away from you unless you let them.

Robby

PepTalk
Sep. 25, 2001, 09:47 AM
A quote from Snowbird:

"There is a place for the beauty pagent and its not in the horse show ring."

Oh, how much I agree with that statement, Snowbird! I just wish that people would realize/remember that when watching and/or judging at a horse show. However, I hardly doubt that will happen...:(

Thanks, Robby, for your kind words! Once again, you've made my day!:)

InWhyCee
Sep. 25, 2001, 10:03 AM
Did anyone notice that, after the mag finished berating girls with eating disorders, about 20 pages later, there's a model wearing a (horrendously ugly) wool dress, with legs like freakin' toothpicks?!?
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Surprise! Surprise! This is Jane we're talking about... so hip, so progressive, wouldn't DREAM of biting the hand that feeds it (or tries to)! I work in the fashion industry, and their models have tended to be the skinniest around, even scrawny... personally, I wouldn't believe anything that I read in a magazine that still considers Courtney "Ahhhwk, Is My Silicone Slipping?" Love to be a role model.

Now, can anyone tell me where to get that $350 show outfit WITh chaps? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TrakHack
Sep. 25, 2001, 03:27 PM
Jane magically appeared in my mailbox a year and a half ago after I moved from one state to another (so much for not getting any junk mail for a while!), and continues to appear every month, and I have never paid a penny for it. I really don't care for the magazine, but usually find an amusing article to read.

First, my personal views:

I am an overweight person and an overweight rider, who has been through two episodes of eating disorders, but never for the purpose of looking better on a horse (which makes sense, as I don't show). I have ridden horses since I was nine (I was a fat kid, too), and you know what? When I was feeling the worst about myself, feeling that people didn't like me and my family was disappointed and embarrassed by me because I wasn't thin, the one solace that I had was that the horse didn't care. What I've found as a young adult is that most horses I've ridden have a harder time with a lighter rider who is unbalanced or whose seat is dependent on their hands than a heavier rider who is balanced with a secure, independent seat, and light hand. If I seriously wanted to show, yes, I would need to lose weight. No argument there. If I just want to ride for fun, perhaps go to the occasional show, I'm not going to kill myself to get into smaller breeches.

Now my response to the article:

I read the "horsey set" article with interest and a relatively open mind. I'm a person who rides for personal pleasure, is closely involved with competitive dressage, and has a best friend who's an eventer. I composed a long letter (which I have yet to send) to Jane, presenting the other side of the story: how in dressage, the movement that the horse performs is what is judged, not the rider; how in jumpers it doesn't matter what you look like as long as you can go clean (and then clean and fast); that any person without caloric reserves would pass out on a foxhunt; how in endurance riding there are actually *minimum* weight requirements; that eventers have to have the strength and stamina to get around a cross country course, and so on and so forth. Maybe I'll still send it. I'm surprised nobody here has mentioned Frankie Chesler, a very successful rider who is sponsored by and is a model for 1824 (for those of you wearing 26s or 28s, you've probably never shopped through this catalog /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). Anyway, I suppose what my point is is that the need to be thin does seem to pervade some equestrian disciplines, but certainly not all. I wish that the article would have reported on some of the other disciplines, even if it was along the lines of "In dressage you can have a fat butt and big boobs and still succeed (even though those white breeches make you look bigger than you are.)"

Just my $0.02

Magnolia
Sep. 25, 2001, 07:01 PM
1824 ROCKS!!!!! Their customer service is #1, and I will never lose enough weight so that I couldn't shop there.

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