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Jennasis
Sep. 14, 2001, 05:13 AM
Did anyone hear or watch Bush's address yesterday afternoon? He looked and sounded like he was choking back tears. It really has humanized him in my eyes. I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad he's our president. In time of war, I suppose it is beneficial to have a Republican president. Money will be funneled into national defense and a coordicated offense. I imagine there won't be any spoofs of our president anytime soon on Saturday Night Live or anywhere else.

George W. has his father's reputation with Desert Storm to live up to and surpass and I believe he will. He's said the focus of his entire administration and presidency is this event. Could he ever have imagined at the start of his term that he would be at the helm of such an unbelievable thing? Could any of us? He will undoubtably go down in history. I support him now more than ever. I can't believe I ever thought any less of this great man.

I support you Mr. President.

Jennasis
Sep. 14, 2001, 05:13 AM
Did anyone hear or watch Bush's address yesterday afternoon? He looked and sounded like he was choking back tears. It really has humanized him in my eyes. I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad he's our president. In time of war, I suppose it is beneficial to have a Republican president. Money will be funneled into national defense and a coordicated offense. I imagine there won't be any spoofs of our president anytime soon on Saturday Night Live or anywhere else.

George W. has his father's reputation with Desert Storm to live up to and surpass and I believe he will. He's said the focus of his entire administration and presidency is this event. Could he ever have imagined at the start of his term that he would be at the helm of such an unbelievable thing? Could any of us? He will undoubtably go down in history. I support him now more than ever. I can't believe I ever thought any less of this great man.

I support you Mr. President.

SLW
Sep. 14, 2001, 05:59 AM
May God bless him and guide him with wisedom, courage and strength.

SLW

msj
Sep. 14, 2001, 06:30 AM
during the 2 Clinton administrations the defense and military budgets were cut and slashed and cut and slashed some more. And some of you wonder how this horrific event happened? It may have happened regardless of the cuts, but it may not have either. Just think about it.

msj

EquiMom
Sep. 14, 2001, 07:21 AM
Jennasis--I am in complete accord with your assessment of our President. His humanity burned brightly--a mirror image of the same grief, pain, outrage and sense of violation that we all feel, as fellows of our fallen. His reaction was neither scripted nor measured--but a genuine outpouring of the same righteous emotions by which we, as Americans, are all consumed--transcendant of political persuasion.

I do not require that my President display a glib flair for the perfectly turned phrase. I do not require that he fashion a flawlessly polished delivery. I only require that his words flow forth from a heart and mind dedicated to the preservation and protection of our shores.

Great men seldom seek greatness--but have greatness thrust upon them--by meeting the challenge of their station. History has borne out this truth time and again.

I join you, Jennasis, in rallying my support behind our President.

[This message was edited by EquiMom on Sep. 14, 2001 at 10:14 PM.]

Duffy
Sep. 14, 2001, 07:43 AM
I am in no way a religious person, but God bless America and our friends around the world. May justice be served in a swift manner without undue loss of any more American and friends' lives. May nightmares of this horror dim, yet the American spirit grow even stronger, with time. The innocent victims, I believe, are in a wonderful place. May the victims' family and friends find comfort from each other and from the incredible "strangers" across the world.

AHC
Sep. 14, 2001, 07:45 AM
Just feel the need to point out to msj that the tragic events of this past Tuesday had more to do with potential weaknesses in intelligence and certainly weaknesses in airport security than they did with the size of our military budget.

suzy
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:03 AM
In total agreement with AHC. I think it was our lack of spending on Anti-terrorist activities that was more at fault than our not spending on building up our military. We have ample weapons, but insufficient information on terrorists, their activities, and their whereabouts.

I also agree that a glib speaking president does nothing for me. I didn't vote for Bush, but I feel more confident than I ever thought I would at his ability to deal with the situation at hand.

SLW
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:07 AM
AHC- the leadership at many levels will be scrutinized, including the former Commander in Chief who defiled the Oval Office and pardoned criminals while this attack was being planned in our country.

I was wrong yesterday when I questioned how the FBI for let this slip by, it's bigger than that.

SLW

Cactuskate
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:09 AM
I'm with you Jennasis, how could anyone not be brought to near tears having carried the burden of this country on their shoulders. And to personally witness the pain and suffering.

I also have to believe he will be able to draw directly from his father's experiences. Though I believe the president has great counsel in his cabinet, there is no guidance greater that that of his father.

OMG, while posting this an F-16 or something just went shooting over the top of our house. We have a great Marine Corp Air Station in Yuma. This time it gives me a great feeling of security.

"The older I get, the better I used to be, but who the heck cares!"

AHC
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:10 AM
Although I know many feel the former president defiled the Oval Office, I doubt that his sexual activities have much to do with the events of this past week, SLW.

How about we just stand behind the man who holds the office now and support him as he deals with a very difficult time in our history....

Everythingbutwings
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:15 AM
AHC! Good statement.

Bumpkin
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:30 AM
My friend who was on a tour in the White House during this,Tuesday morning, had toured the FBI Offices on Monday the day before the attacks.
When asked what they were doing about the Drug War, the person answered that they are not concentrating on the Drug War but on the TERRORIST Problem!!!
This was on Monday!!!

I was glad to see our President have emotion and admit to it.
Better than Bin Laden and his terroist followers who have no concern or emotion for anyone but themselves.
Bin Laden himself lives in a cave, while his followers sacrafice an do his dirty work for him.

Becca
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:39 AM
God bless America, and may he give all of us, from the president through to people the strength to survive and prevail through this.

KellyS
Sep. 14, 2001, 11:37 AM
My horse and I marched in the Presidential Inaugural Parade for Bush last January. I feel extremely honored that I had this opportunity to support this President in his Inauguration. (Plus, he said he that one of his favorite parts of the parade was the sidesaddle horses :-)!)

It is wonderful that both Republicans and Democrats are dropping political divisions and petty arguments to join together to face the horrible events of this week. It is wonderful that people are supporting our leaders and creating a unified front to handle the results from these events.

God Bless America!

Lucassb
Sep. 14, 2001, 12:24 PM
one of the difficulties with our intelligence system is that we often insist upon playing "fair" with people for whom fairness is a totally alien concept. While in principle, this is admirable, in reality it does handicap our side in many ways.

Some of the most striking observations I've heard in the last few days have been the ones relating to our policies about informants and intelligence gathering. How we have placed so many restrictions on who can be recruited (we don't wan to pay, gasp, any *criminals!*... so please could our intelligence officers ONLY deal with NICE terrorists who don't have a record...), effectively tying their hands behind their backs in many ways.

I do believe, that in these kinds of counter terrorist efforts, that people must and do get their hands dirty. And frankly, I'm OK with that. No, I don't like the knowledge that the money we've paid an informant or a spy could easily be used to purchase weapons which are later possibly used against us. But since there are few choirboys in the organizations we are fighting, I don't believe that we have much choice if we wish to have any kind of early warning system or effective prevention in place going forward.

**********
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'Tis good for a man to have some fifteen minutes of hell.
Will Carleton (1845-1912)

Brookes
Sep. 14, 2001, 01:17 PM
Lucasb! Wonderfully put, and sooo painfully true. They oversight committees and the budget cuts in intelligence over the past eight years have crippled us in so many ways. These terrorists want to fight dirty, fine, we'll show em'!, let's just keep it quiet so all the bleeding hearts don't get to put in their 2 cents! (Preparing to duck under my desk for upcoming debate!)

Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!!

suzy
Sep. 14, 2001, 01:24 PM
lucassbb, this is what I heard a Republican senator saying on the radio two nights ago, and it made more sense than anything I've heard so far. We aren't in a position in this case to take the high road -- the risks are too great.

dodgegrrl
Sep. 14, 2001, 01:40 PM
Flamesuit on!

Give the guy a Kleenex and tell him to get to work. After all, it is weakness (many)that put us in this place.

I am a lifelong Democrat. I had the pleasure to work for a national hero (and Marine) who would bring high school kids to tears when he said the Pledge of Allegiance. Do I think that character is important and proper phrasing and use of the bully pulpit is critical? D#$% right!

Everyone here wants to blame Bill Clinton. Why?

I'd rather follow a Rhodes Scholar straight to the outhouse than a whining C- Yalie into the White House. GAAA!! Save those people in the elevator! Get those people back to work. Make sandwiches, donate, do something. Don't sit there and cry about it.

I wouldn't turn the care of a sick horse over to someone like this. Get moving, do something!

SLW
Sep. 14, 2001, 02:01 PM
Lucassb- Since 1995 the CIA has not been allowed to pay informants. Is that what you are thinking of?

AHC- it's not about *sex*; it's about lying, impulses and not being the right person for the job. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I sense we have two different, and opposite, expectations of our leaders and I will respectfully not try to *recruit* you. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KAM- I still recall the rainy January parade, it was a fabulous unit you rode with in Washington!

SLW

Jennasis
Sep. 14, 2001, 02:40 PM
Dodgegirl: your post is so innappropriate. George Bush is a human with feelings and it did me good to know he was as upset about all of this as I am. Nobody blames Bill CLinton (at least I don't and neither should anyone else). It wasn't "weakness" as you put it, that brought us to this. It was the whim of a radical mad man and his followers.

Nobody is to blame except those who perpetrated this henous crime.

Now is the time to rally behind our leaders. Democrat or Republican...we are americans first. You shouldn't even have said anything that would require the donning of the "flame suit"...this is an innappropriate time for such rhetoric.

dodgegrrl
Sep. 14, 2001, 03:31 PM
Even though the bullhorn didn't exactly make me warm and fuzzy, I was glad to see President Bush on the job.

You may recall, his father didn't get re-elected, even after the "win" in Operation Desert Storm, because he was apparently out of touch with working people. He didn't know the price of a loaf of bread, remember?

Now that he is the ONLY person who can move about freely in the skies over America, without the fear of a terrorist attack or getting the big NO-NO from the FAA, he did actually visit NY.

So Kudos to the President who did some good for the spirit of the people today. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bethe Mounce
Sep. 14, 2001, 04:00 PM
for President. His fathers' Presidential Library is in my own backyard in College Station, Texas. My Mom knows Laura Bush. I like to think I have the inside track on the Presidency, but of course I don't! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I believe he and his administration will take care of terrorists; those who caused these atrocities have awakened a sleeping giant.

As many have said on the TV (Hillary Clinton in particular): "You are either with us or against us." It's going to be a long long battle, but in the end, if there is an end, I am certain our President will take care of it.

Maybe now is the time to "....ask what you can do for your country." (John F. Kennedy)

dogchushu
Sep. 14, 2001, 04:17 PM
To be fair, from what I saw (maybe I saw a different address) he did get chocked up, but he wasn't exactly blubbering. And I think that's entirely appropriate given the enormity of what's happened. And I think he's shown the correct balance between maintaining visibility to the public while working diligently to resolve the issues at hand.

While I'm no fan of Clinton, I don't think we can blame him for what happened. I guess you could make a point that he didn't remove Bin Laden fromt he scene after the embassy bombings and the attack on the USS Cole, but I think that's hindsight. No one is to blame for what happened but the evil madmen who committed this mass murder.

Yes, we may have gotten complacent in our sense of security recently, but can we be blamed for that? I "came of age" during the Cold War, and was personally excited to live in a time when we had no perceived major threat and could focus on improving our nation internally rather than protecting ourselves from the Soviet Union or other "enemy state."

Brookes
Sep. 14, 2001, 04:25 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dodgegrrl:

"Give the guy a Kleenex and tell him to get to work. After all, it is weakness (many)that put us in this place."

"I am a lifelong Democrat"

Sorry, I just can't let this slide! You wanna talk about tears, I suggest you do some homework on your last president (democrat!) He was constantly in tears on TV! For alot less than thousands of missing Americans!! Don't bash our President for something that the last one did on a monthly basis! Fair is fair!

Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!!

RolexH
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:11 PM
C'mon! Did you cry when you saw this happen??? Didn't you stop and think how many lives were changed and ruined? It is sad. He cares. How dare you attack him for being a human!

You need to direct you anger else where. That is just ridiculous. I am not a republican, but I think he is the perfect man for this job. Perfect.

The intentions on this thread were not to knock Democrats, can't people just get over there damn negative opinions, and say:

God Bless America, God Bless those Leading it!

~~Lisa~~

creseida
Sep. 14, 2001, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dodgegrrl:
Flamesuit on!

Everyone here wants to blame Bill Clinton. Why?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Billary Clinton slashed the military, thus weakening our defences against rogue nations and terrorists alike. The FBI became a disgrace when Clinton appointed Louis Freeh. Can we say Botched Investigation of the Oklahoma Bombing? How about Wen Ho Lee?

Any other questions? Just ask Vince Foster...Oh, wait you can't! Hillary had him assasinated before he could spill the beans about her corrupt doings with Whitewater and the Law Firm. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Then there was Travelgate, Whitewater, Filegate, and too many harrassment cases to count.

Bill was just a perjoring, draft-dodging, marijuana-smoking puppet. They say Timothy Leary talked a good talk, too. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif But I wouldn't want the LSD Guru running the country.

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DarkerHorse
Sep. 14, 2001, 09:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by creseida:
Quote: "Originally posted by dodgegrrl:
Flamesuit on!

Everyone here wants to blame Bill Clinton. Why?

"

Billary Clinton <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


ROFL

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dogchushu
Sep. 14, 2001, 09:20 PM
You have to like this shot of Pres. Bush!

/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif giving credit where due (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/091101nydccrash&a=&tmpl=sl&e=78)

RumoursFollow
Sep. 14, 2001, 10:15 PM
I caught some replay tonight of good ole George talking somewhere to firefighters tonight with a very uplifting tone and he made me smile. Three cheers for him. Hes a terrible speaker. I voted for him, I like him, but hes a terrible speaker.

MOST importantly though, hes a smart man, and a good leader. He'll pull us through. I'm not worried.

and btw- keep it in check girls, just because Lily and InWhyCee are back... that doesnt mean we should all resume our bitching. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bumpkin
Sep. 14, 2001, 11:12 PM
I have no idea, and I do all the shopping for our family!!!
I just pick it up and drop it in the cart.
And Mr Bumpkin, well how many men would know the price of bread?

In The Gate
Sep. 14, 2001, 11:20 PM
I must say, I am utterly disgusted by the attitudes of many members on this board.

A tragedy has taken place. Let's drop our partisanship and work together.

By no means is either Clinton or Bush perfect, but, they both did what they felt was needed.

Hindsight is twenty-twenty. How do you think keeping military funding high would have helped? What, we would have had our missile defense system in place? It wouldn't have made a difference in the world.

How many of you out there can say that you have not cried, or choked back tears when thinking about the disaster, let alone when trying to make a speech to the entire nation?

Dodgegirl, you said <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'd rather follow a Rhodes Scholar straight to the outhouse than a whining C- Yalie into the White House. GAAA!! Save those people in the elevator! Get those people back to work. Make sandwiches, donate, do something. Don't sit there and cry about it.
I wouldn't turn the care of a sick horse over to someone like this. Get moving, do something! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know you dislike Bush. Now is not the time. Support him, stand behind him, as he is our president and deserves the support of the people, now more than ever. A phrase comes to mind, "united we stand, divided we fall."

And creseida, your response, <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Hillary Clinton slashed the military, thus weakening our defenses against rogue nations and terrorists alike. The FBI became a disgrace when Clinton appointed Louis Freeh. Can we say Botched Investigation of the Oklahoma Bombing? How about Wen Ho Lee?
Any other questions? Just ask Vince Foster...Oh, wait you can't! Hillary had him assassinated before he could spill the beans about her corrupt doings with Whitewater and the Law Firm. Then there was Travelgate, Whitewater, Filegate, and too many harrassment cases to count.
Bill was just a perjuring, draft-dodging, marijuana-smoking puppet. They say Timothy Leary talked a good talk, too. But I wouldn't want the LSD Guru running the country. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

was even more inappropriate. How is badmouthing our former president going to help anything? Many faults you raise with Clinton can also be found with Bush. I suggest you not call Clinton names that are more frequently than not attributed to Bush rather than Clinton. And how dare you imply that Hillary Clinton took part in an assassination? There is less than no evidence to support your point.

As a high school senior, I am currently in the process of studying our Government, both its good and bad aspects.

Personally, yes, I prefer Clinton over Bush. However, Bush is my president now. As I stood behind Clinton when he was president, so shall I stand behind Bush now.

I am proud to live in a country that will not be beaten, and I am proud to live with the majority of people who are now uniting behind our leaders.

Save your objections for later. Be glad you're alive, and, at the very least, if you're not going to help, just be quiet, and let the others do the job.

For the good of the Nation as a whole, the states must once again become a single entity.

I think, in light of all this, it is time for us to get back to what these boards were intended for.

Valerie
~VWiles02@yahoo.com~
Valerie's home page (http://www.geocities.com/vwiles02)

[This message was edited by In The Gate on Sep. 17, 2001 at 03:07 AM.]

Snowbird
Sep. 15, 2001, 12:30 PM
We have seen many men who rose to meet the challenges at a time when they were needed. There have been Presidents from both sides who were not great orators but great Presidents.

This is the time to stop the partizan small-talk and remember we are all Americans first. If we stand behind our leader he will become greater than even he knew was possible.

If we have the will to win this time then this will be a victory for freedom. Before you decry the governors of this country just think what your alternative will be. Bin Ladon wants us all in Islam or dead, not different than the last international despot who wanted only aryans to live.

We tried to buy peace from Hitler and we were wrong, let's learn from history.

Cactuskate
Sep. 15, 2001, 12:42 PM
You may have no idea how inspiring it is to hear well spoken ideas from a "senior in high school". Call it another form of renewed faith in the future of this country. You have probably been told before, you seem wise beyond your years.

I hope and pray for your generation that you be given every opportunity to achieve your goals.

Thank you for speaking up and thank you most of all for caring.

Just a note from some "old broad". /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"The older I get, the better I used to be, but who the heck cares!"

Lisi
Sep. 15, 2001, 02:25 PM
Umm, I can't say that I agree with all said, and I don't feel like getting into a political argument. But I am praying my ass off that Bush & Co. can make the right decisions regarding these attacks.

Nikki^
Sep. 15, 2001, 03:34 PM
He has wounderful advisors and his father is a great military man. I'm happy now that Bush got elected to the office. He has wounderful Military personal (Colon Powell) and he's taking the best action he can think of. God Bless him! He needs all the support he can get from us. I hope he makes those who are responsible pay BIG time. How dare they burn our home city(I'm from New York). I just couldn't believe it when I saw those towers fall!

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MO
Sep. 15, 2001, 10:04 PM
I voted for George W. Bush!

God bless the U.S.A.!!

I, like Bumpkin, have no-clue what a loaf of bread costs.

Everythingbutwings
Sep. 16, 2001, 10:03 AM
However I will support him as our President. More importantly, I will support the leaders of this nation in their efforts to preserve and protect our rights and keep our nation together.

What Clinton did (which was an embarrasment to his family and the nation, not a crime against the USA so get over it) has No bearing on what Bush will do in this situation. I do not envy President Bush, he has a tough job ahead of him. He is not a good public speaker although recent events are showing that he comes across much better speaking his own words from the heart as opposed to reading from a prepared text.

This country and many like the USA are great for the way the population is allowed to have differing opinions. We have free elections, not dictatorships. This is part of what makes us strong enough to combat terrorism. Our country is made up of a diverse population that is represented in our government. Our government, from the local board of supervisors right up to the Senate, House of Representatives, Supreme Court and President is supposed to reflect the will of "We, the people of the United States"

Everythingbutwings
Sep. 16, 2001, 10:05 AM
Pepperidge Farm Country Wheat is $1.45 with a coupon and gas is $1.28 per US gallon /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SLW
Sep. 16, 2001, 10:14 AM
Bread continued:

Butternutt Day Old store in Olathe: 3 large sandwich loaves for 99 cents. Pepperidge Farm brands are 60 cents a loaf.

Happy Riding!
SLW- who knows the price of bread and what "is" "is". /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Do my politics show? /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Paloma
Sep. 19, 2001, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by In The Gate:

How is badmouthing our former president going to help anything? Many faults you raise with Clinton can also be found with Bush. I suggest you not call Clinton names that are more frequently than not attributed to Bush rather than Clinton<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't heard of Bush screwing interns in the oval office, then asking for clarification of the definition of "sexual relations". Bush was not a draft dodger, either.

For the record, had Clinton actually done his job the first TWO times Bin Laden attacked U.S. citizens, (ramming the U.S.S. Cole, and the U.S. Embassy Bombing) it is unlikely we would be having this discussion at all. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Yeah, Clinton is a smooth talker, alright. Most pathological liars are. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm glad Bush is in office and that he has the team of heavy hitters to consult with and decide the best course of action. No wonder Bin Laden is suddenly denying his involvement rather than bragging about it; I think he realized that he has stirred up a nest of angry hornets, and perhaps he bit off more than he can chew. He will burn in Hell. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The man is a coward, hiring fanatics to do his dirty work while he hides in a cave.

~*~ He who dies with the most tack wins! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ~*~

hobson
Sep. 19, 2001, 11:26 AM
Wow. There are people who are still finding great personal satisfaction in continuing to think about Clinton's sexual behavior. Flame me if you like, but I'm seeing some kind of voyeuristic perversity there. It is completely irrelevant to the tragedy at hand, anyway. Thousands of people just died and the thing you focus on is the image of someone else having sex?

Aren't we being a little gullible in believing G. Bush to be as honest as the day is long? Just because he TOLD us he is honest? No matter what the party, powerful politicians lie. It's part of getting re-elected. Sooner or later, we will hear about something George W. lied about, or a strategic memory lapse.

Anyway, seeing him in action, having to speak contemporaneously in press conferences, I get worried. Fine - he has adopted a style of speaking that features short, staccato sentences in order to seem decisive and an everyday guy at the same time. That works well for him when he has a prepared speech to read from. But I can't help but notice that he truly has difficulty putting coherent sentences of his own together, and I wonder about the cognitive abilities behind that deficiency.

Sure, I'll stand behind him - he's what we've got for president. I'm just glad that Mr. Powell is a smart cookie, even though he too had some curious memory lapses during Iran-Contra. I really hope they can find the terrorists.

Brookes
Sep. 19, 2001, 11:50 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hobson:
Aren't we being a little gullible in believing G. Bush to be as honest as the day is long? Just because he TOLD us he is honest? No matter what the party, powerful politicians lie. It's part of getting re-elected. Sooner or later, we will hear about something George W. lied about, or a strategic memory lapse.

Gee, Hobson, is the glass always half empty with you? Gullible, No I'm Not Gullible. I have done my homework and studied the man, as govenor of Texas. He was as honest as the day was long! Many politicians lie, wouldn't it be nice to believe that we actually have an honest man in the White House? Why not give it a chance and see what transpires in the days and years to come.

In regards to Mr. Clinton, I doubt seriously that anyone is interested in his sex life, as abundant as it may seem, they are interested in the morality or lack therfore of the man. The man that was our president for eight years. The man who had the opportunity and the means to assist in the eradication of terrorisim, and didn't. That is what people are referring to. Let's face it Hobson, the dude was caught with his pants down! Yeah as an American I was really proud of that one!

Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!!

hobson
Sep. 19, 2001, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brookes:

Gee, Hobson, is the glass always half empty with you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bingo!

I've been an avid reader of international newspapers since I was a teenager, and it's made me REALLY jaded about Our Esteemed Leaders of the world and their motivations.

HeyYouNags
Sep. 19, 2001, 12:13 PM
Certainly seems like there is more than the usual level of hostility in some of these posts. The late, great "Bush vs. Gore" debate is seeming tame in comparison.

Hobson, you are not alone. Those of you who have posted elsewhere that the flag-waving looks like chest-thumping, and is scary in itself, I'm also in your camp. People on this board are arguing out of both sides of their mouths - that they don't want political divisiveness during this tragic time, and then stomping anyone with a different point of view. As if the presence of terrorists weren't scary enough, now we have the spectre of a new era of McCarthyism.

And Nimue, I've seen your post on another thread, fanning the flames. Your previous posts seem to suggest that you're a BB regular, using an alter in an ugly, trolling way. Do we really need that now?

Sheesh and yuck.

SLW
Sep. 19, 2001, 12:17 PM
Hobson, you are correct, this is not the time or the place to bring up former President Clintons many weaknesses. Thanks for the reminder. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Happy Riding,
SLW

Charis
Sep. 19, 2001, 01:13 PM
Hobson:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>"HE (BUSH) TRULY HAS DIFFICULTY PUTTING COHERENT SENTENCES OF HIS OWN TOGETHER"...

When asked by the WSJ about the expense of a war,
GWB stated:

"Well I'm not going to aim a 2 million dollar missle at a $10. tent in the desert to hit a camel in the butt."

I'm an oratorical snob (just ask Jennais) AND THAT SURE DOES IT FOR ME. I laughed so hard I almost >>>>>>>>>>>>. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

hobson
Sep. 19, 2001, 01:15 PM
Charis,

even I will agree, that's a doozy!

pt
Sep. 19, 2001, 01:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I've been an avid reader of international newspapers since I was a teenager, and it's made me REALLY jaded about Our Esteemed Leaders of the world and their motivations. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does your skepticism extend to leaders of all countries, all religions, all organizations?

hobson
Sep. 19, 2001, 01:35 PM
Yes, pt, pretty much so. I'm even cynical about Mother Theresa, who cuddled up to the likes of Pinochet and Marcos, giving them her blessings in exchange for donations.

I think Olaf Palme was a trustworthy guy, though. And Joschka Fischer, as far as I can tell, is a man who tries to be consistent, and is honest when he has to compromise his beliefs.

pt
Sep. 19, 2001, 02:10 PM
OK, my ignorance is showing.

Who are Olaf Palme and Joschka Fischer?

Magnolia
Sep. 19, 2001, 03:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> "Well I'm not going to aim a 2 million dollar missle at a $10. tent in the desert to hit a camel in the butt." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hot diggity, Bush does have some sense bout him! PETA would be proud /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Hobson, hang in there - this is like the Bush/Gore/Nader routine. Remember ~ Clinton/Bush/Gore are all the same, really, they are. Bill is just a bit friskier then the others!


Ride it Like You Stole It...

HN73
Sep. 19, 2001, 03:17 PM
That quote actually comes from VP Cheney.

In The Gate
Sep. 19, 2001, 04:23 PM
My goal was to end the bickering on this thread.

You, Nimue, do not live in the United States. I do not criticize your government for having not taken out Osama Bin Laden. Bill Clinton's job was not to assassinate people. There is no reason to expect him to have done such a thing.

Bush has his bad points too, as does Clinton. However, I will reiterate myself as saying that now is not the time to criticize Bush.

Analyzing the past will not change it. There is nothing we can do about Clinton's actions or his failure to act.

I think, as I said before, it is time we get back to what this board is intended for: horses.

Erin, just today posted a reminder of the Bulletin Board rules. I think we all need to go read them.

She also has been nice enough to let us have an open forum for discussion. Let's not take advantage of it.

This is a time to support each other. Let's not make the situation any worse than it already is.

Valerie
~VWiles02@yahoo.com~
Valerie's home page (http://www.geocities.com/vwiles02)

Lil
Sep. 20, 2001, 11:00 AM
As Americans, we have the right to NOT be "patriotic" if we chose. Disliking a president isn't a crime, neither is choosing not to fly the flag in a private place of business.
That's the WHOLE IDEA, remember?

Ruby G. Weber
Sep. 20, 2001, 12:32 PM
it would be nice if everyone could, for the sake of our country and our freedom,at the very least pretend to be rooting for the same team.

Lily
Sep. 20, 2001, 04:30 PM
I didn't vote for Bush, and I admit that when this first happened last week I was skeptical about his ability to handle the situation. But in the past week, I've grown to admire him.

He's obviously not the best public speaker- he doesn't have Clinton's charisma- but he speaks very plainly and (at least in this situation) from the heart. It was touching to see him choked up- because although he's president, he's also human and is bound to be affected by this tragedy. As I mentioned in another thread, Tom Brokaw got teary when he first saw the picture of the rescue workers raising the flag at ground zero.

I think that in this situation, it's very important to rally 'round the flag- and around our president. C'mon, if I can do it, you can do it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lori
Sep. 20, 2001, 05:33 PM
One of the first things Clinton did was declassify everything and mess up the entire intelligence world. He made it "friendly" so to say. That is why I am not a fan of Clinton.

"Come hup you hugly beast!" Surtees

heads up to the oxer
Sep. 20, 2001, 06:04 PM
I am not an American. What happened last Tuesday was targeted on American soil but directed at the world...65 nations were affected...now is not the time to be bickering about Bill Clinton's sex life or whether Bush is a hick. People, let's unite so that we all have a future! I for one was not a Bush fan and was praying that Gore got in because I thought we'd all be better off with an intellectual vs. a cowboy but I have to say that I've been impressed with him so far. He holds the world's fate in his hands...not just yours. I thought that he would have bombed that absolute @#*@! out of Afghanistan and have been thankful and very grateful that he has taken his time. Let's remember how we all felt that fateful day and not digress into petty bickering about politics.

heads up to the oxer
Sep. 20, 2001, 06:54 PM
That comment doesn't even warrant a response.

Erin
Sep. 20, 2001, 07:00 PM
Folks, I'm tempted to lock this thread... we already had the Great Bush Vs. Gore Debate back in November. There's no need to go there again.

I'm allowing a somewhat looser rein with regard to staying on horse-related topics because I think a lot of people have other things on their mind. But that is NOT an invitation to rant about whatever subject you're currently PO'ed about.

Neither Clinton nor Gore are currently sitting in the Oval Office. So WHY are we talking about them? /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Move on.

heads up to the oxer
Sep. 20, 2001, 07:12 PM
Too much emotion and too much wine tonight is not the time to discuss politics. I just want people to remember how united we all felt on September 11th and not to bicker about various parties....I'll not say another word.

Heidi
Sep. 20, 2001, 08:21 PM
Past governorship, a daddy who was President, buddies in high political places -- there is no training in the world, or politically expedient shortcuts, for what the U.S. and its President has gone through in the past week and a half.

Though I'm only a lowly Canadian, a tree-hugging liberal to boot, and I may disagree with some of what's been uttered by Dubya, I have been surprisingly impressed with George Bush.

No, he doesn't possess the gift of the natural orator, yes, he seems surprisingly uncomfortable at times in the media spotlight, his diction may defy clarity at times, but I do think he's trying his very best for the country and its citizens. His greatest P.R. problem is that he's stiffly sincere.

Charis
Sep. 20, 2001, 08:32 PM
I'll take character over charisma anyday!!
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Bumpkin
Sep. 20, 2001, 08:44 PM
Being kind of shy myself, and many times at loss for the correct words when confronted, I feel more of a kinship with Bush, than any other President. Like he is human and not perfect!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also hey look at his pedigree, it almost makes me happy we did have him in office at this time of grief and need of cool heads and long thoughts of how to proceed. And most likely advised by his father.

elizabeth
Sep. 20, 2001, 08:51 PM
Oh, boy. Having gone to two institutions of higher education where I suspect the students were smarter than average, I am very familiar with the phenomenon that smart people often have a LOUSY ability to . . . convey nuanced affect.

Example A: One of my former classmates from NYC called me to ask if I could plug him into the right people at my firm b/c he was looking for a new job, and he thought my firm might be right for him. Now, this guy is VERY VERY smart. But I suspect he doesn't do well in interviews b/c he lacks the ability to change his affect like a chameleon changes his color.

Matter of fact, law school was REPLETE with people who were BRILLIANT but lacked the ability to convey empathy and sincerity, ALTHOUGH THEY FELT IT.

I have to say, though, that now that George is feeling his feelings to the very core of his being (or at least that is what *I* think), he is conveying his sincerity and feelings more distinctly. IMHO.