Warmbloods.net forum

[susan b]

The forum shut down do to problems with porn pop ups and on the ISR site, it is shut down due to the bickering between the individuals there.

[This message was edited by Portia on Jul. 02, 2002 at 11:07 AM.]

[susan b]

The forum shut down do to problems with porn pop ups and on the ISR site, it is shut down due to the bickering between the individuals there.

[This message was edited by Portia on Jul. 02, 2002 at 11:07 AM.]

[Portia]

No, no, no -- we don't use this forum to trash other Bulletin Boards. Against the rules. Naughty naughty naughty. Bad pony.

If you want to discuss the status of the forums there in a factual way or give your opinions, fine. But no trashing individuals, or the site itself, or how it is run.

OK? Thanks. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

******
"I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing..." Thomas Jefferson

[susan b]

I've seen lots of individuals as well as businesses get numerous negative posts on this forum - George Morris was one, I beleive the Premarin (sp?) farms were another. How is that kind of stuff different?

[susan b]

I do apologize if I've broken the rules, I thought some might feel it important to know that they might have their stallion or other services involved in a boycott.

[Janeway]

Hasn't there been a banner on the site for the last week or so warning everyone that there would be a server change and to expect problems and or closed forums? Besides, if all the bickering really bothered the webmaster, then the site would have been axed long ago /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I never saw any porn pop-ups in all the years I've been reading that site! I think I would have noticed reading from work and all /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[carosello]

Yes Janeway, there were porn pop up ads. Hopefully the reason will be found for why. The webmaster does not believe they are coming from his site...but I have a list of people (besides me) who have had some rather rude and vulgar images pop on their computer while accessing that site. Be happy that you did not get it, that is nasty stuff.

[Janeway]

I wonder if its because someone in the porn business searched the net with some key words like "stud" and "stallion" and then attached themseleves to it in some high-tech cyber method, obviously thinking the site was about an entirely different subject /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I know that I can not access either warmbloods.net or the COTH board if I use a public internet cafe at Chapters Bookstore; I guess their server serches each site for objectionable content and then bans them from viewing. I always figured it was the breeding forums that caused the problem.

[Erin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by susan b:
I've seen lots of individuals as well as businesses get numerous negative posts on this forum - George Morris was one, I beleive the Premarin (sp?) farms were another. How is that kind of stuff different?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not the "kind of stuff" that's different... it's the way your post was phrased. As Portia said, if you want to have a factual discussion, that's fine... we just try to keep things from turning into trash-fests. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[susan b]

Janeway, if you go to the Oldenburg/ISR site, it says flat out that it is shut down due to the postings of some individuals. It also calls for the Oldenburg registry (Verband not ISR) to do something about it - why the webmaster thinks that the Verband or anyone else for that matter can control someone else's postings, is beyond me!

Carousello, have you heard of the boycott stuff?

[susan b]

Well, it is fact - the forum says right on their own page that it shut down due to problems with some of the individuals posting there - go to the Oldenburg/ISR site - you can't access it. Instead thats when the message comes up from the webmaster - so what I posted is NOT trash talk.

As for the porn pop ups, the also webmaster says flat out, as Carosello also stated, that there are porn pop ups and the webmaster doesn't think it is coming from his site but many people who accessed it have recieved them.

Still confused.

[Janeway]

I wasn't disputing the porn pop-ups SusanB, just saying that I had never seen them. The last time I was at warmbloods.net, which was last week before a holiday there was no message about either - just about server changes.

Given your past record of only posting on controversial topics, until Carolsello posted, I considered your info to be in doubt. Sorry.

[Portia]

Sorry, Susan B., I know it can be hard to understand, and it's hard to explain sometimes! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif When it comes to other websites, we have to be careful, since some of them have a tendency to see any negative discussion as an attack by a competitor (though the COTH doesn't see itself as such) on their their business.

That said, you can certainly post your personal experiences and your opinions. We don't want to stop honest discussion and exchange of ideas and opinions, but we do want to avoid any slander and libel! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

******
"I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing..." Thomas Jefferson

[susan b]

Janeway, I did post extensively on ONE controversal topic but have posted numerous times on other subjects and on some of the COTH topic subforums other than the sporthorse breeding one.

Besides, there is an extensive thread on this on other forums such as the DBNA forum - www.dutchbreedersna.com (http://www.dutchbreedersna.com). All ya had to do was ask!

[Tannenwald Trakehner]

I thought Carosello was the problem? That is what the title bar says on the front page and the general page. And yesterday her email address was posted on the general board so that people could complain to her for ruining everyone's fun. I hope it comes back. There is a lot of valuable discussion and a lot of people go there.

Breeders & Friends of the Trakehner horse:
American Trakehners - European Engineering, Made in America!

[Everythingbutwings]

I thought the warmblood forum had such problems not long ago and had posted a not too disimilar message from the host at that time concerning unacceptable posts from members.

Perhaps I am thinking of a different forum?

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[JB]

ETBW, you are thinking of the correct forum - it has had issues over the last year or so.

[susan b]

I didn't see all of that! Only the stuff about a poster named Bob and then a bunch of people on a different forum talking about the porn pop ups and the warmbloods.net webmaster's response to them...and of course the site being down.

[Palomino Leopard WB]

Yesterday, I read that two individuals caused the shut down. It was writen by the webmaster on the first entering page to the warmblood breeds...personally I was a bit ticked because it posted that we should email the registries OV and ISR with the emails posted regarding the members behaviour on the website, and to blame them for it being shut down.
Then it was gone...personally I do not understand I have seen controversial posts, but that's just life differences of opinion. No reason to shut the site down.

[Sporthorse South]

The site owner (Scott Manker, otherwise known as Caspar1) originally named three people as the reason for the site being shut down. One of them does create a lot of havoc on the Oldenburg forum, attacking even other GOV breeders (anyone who doesn't kiss his a** is apparently fair game for him).

The second person Caspar1 blamed is the list owner of a popular warmblood mailing list and there were some discussions on that list about how warmbloods.net is managed. So Caspar1 banned her for allowing his site to be criticized on her list. She relayed that information on her mailing list, generating a whole other series of emails about his heavy-handed tactics, so he decided to name her publicly as one of the people responsible for the shutdown.

The third person he blamed was Carosello, who incurred his wrath because she apparently posted on his forum that after he changed servers over the weekend, she was getting porn pop-ups whenever she visited his site. I guess that was the straw that broke the camel's back, as they say, and he "lost it."

At one point yesterday, the entire site was shut down with the message blaming those three individuals. Two of the individuals are GOV members, so he was holding GOV responsible and urging people to bombard the GOV offices with complaints. After the Florida GOV office talked to Caspar1, he re-opened the site, but left the ISR site shut down, with the same message about GOV. He also at one point removed the names of Carosello and the owner of the warmblood mailing list as people that were to blame for the shutdown, but left the other name.

The entire site is shut down this AM, so who knows what is going on now. I know his site is expensive to run (uses a lot of server space and bandwidth), and I don't blame him for trying to get some advertising revenue to cover the expenses, but word has gotten out about his "management" tactics and a lot of people refuse to advertise there. He apparently mentioned at one point that he was going to a registration and log-in type of forum (similar to this one), so we'll see if that happens. That would be his best bet, as he could then pick and choose who he wants to allow access to. Anyone who has crossed him in the past will probably be denied a password (and believe me, there are quite a few of them!).

[carosello]

FWIW, yes he posted my email address as one of the problem people. I posted about the porn pop up ads on the general forum early in the morning and was gone all day. I have no idea what happened on the other forums. He later that day left a message on my machine at home and called again even later to berate me. I guess he cannot track down anyone else and since I have paid for ads on his site and he had my info he decided to give me the brunt of his "lesson". I have a growing list of people who saw the porn and many of the have emailed him also. But as far as Im concerned he can keep it going if he wants too..I was shocked before and said so but he told me there was no way he was at fault...whatever. If you wish to subscribe to that, fine with me. Maybe Im a bit touchy as I am 9 months pregnant. And if he enjoys calling and harrassing pregnant woman, well good for him. Although I only got 10 emails from his posting and everyone was so nice! It really made me feel like there was a good side to people afterall. Most of the emails didnt even know what I had done or said but were supportive right off the bat. Half responded that they had see the porn also.

[carosello]

P.S.

I personally appreciated those who did bother to email me...at least they wanted to find out the truth and not perpetuate rumor.

[Justbay]

I got that horrible vulgar pop up too and was shocked. I have not been back to the site since. Very Strange.

[Mare]

I'm late coming into this discussion, and no, I didn't get porn pop-up but several times I did get a pop-up for some sort of web search ... I clicked it off so fast I didn't really take the time to read it.

Though I enjoy the site immensely and have met some great people, as well as learned a lot, I do think a sign in system will solve a lot of problems as some people seemed to think the site was theirs alone to mouth off when ever it suited them. I can sympathize with the web site owner who probably quite literally wanted a warmblood discussion forum. I hope the issues are resolved soon.

Carosello, it was unfair that you were singled out ... I have always enjoyed your posts and never found them a problem. Hopefully the dust settles.

[flypony74]

I also got the porn pop up, morning before last I believe, but didn't realize that it was tied to the site (I am a computer dummy!). Now I know! I must say that it was very unprofessional for the webmaster to single out and "blame" individuals for the shut down of his site. I have gotten some great advice from the forum, but was never impressed with the management. This forum is much more fun!

[appyhunter]

It is entirely possible for some people to be seeing objectionable popups and others not. The popups are there, and they are 'served'-sent-, but not all computers will receive.

Webbies really don't get much, if any, of that stuff. Just as viruses do not generally affect WebTV, there are other aspects of the Web that are not the same experience computer users have. Some of the Webbie limitations are actually more of a benefit... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

You are more likely to see these popups on a home computer than on a corporate computer. Anyone running a network is (or should) be using a firewall and other protections/restrictions that few home computers use.

That said, there ARE programs available for home computers that slow down, if not eliminate, the flood of force fed advertising. Not only are there programs like NetNanny- which is used in a lot of homes with children- but also programs that prevent pop up ads displaying or shut them as they open.

As to the popups themselves...they can be sent along by the server, appended to the page requests, just as you see Yahoo appending ads to the egroups messages. These ads may or may not originate on the server itself, as there are companies which provide these rotating ad services.

While I most certainly do not know the details of the Warmblood.net site in regards to this, it is not uncommon for a large site to trade allowing advertising in exchange for lower cost for hosting the site. Popups are a way of doing this that does not interfere with site design or appearance, as a banner ad or side bar ad does.

How much say the site has on what type of ads will be covered under the service contract with the server. The site owner rarely has, if ever, the opportunity to approve individually which ads run. That said, it is common to be able to approve or disapprove certain categories of ads, including, but not limited to porn. This ability to choose among ad categories is not so much an objectionable materials concern, as a marketing concern. To be most effective, ads need to be targeted to the intended audience.

If a site owner is going to go for that reduced rate, or for ad income to support their site, they really should check out the types of ads that server is using, and the fine print on what they may use, before signing on the dotted line...

[susan b]

I don't think the issue is whether the webmaster is just trying to keep the discussion on warmblood matters. If it were that simple, there wouldn't be all the problems that have gone on for so long. If you look at the way the webmaster has handled this current problem, I believe it will cue you in as to how he handles things. And if you ask around, I am sure you will get some pretty hairy accounts of the warmbloods.net experience!

[Portia]

mmm, Carosello and anyone else, if porn ever pops up here (other than naked photos of Willem, of course /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ), please notify the moderators and the COTH. We'd more than appreciate it.

******
"I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing..." Thomas Jefferson

[muley1]

This is not new. The webmaster has done this before when the bickering got out of hand.
The webmaster also tends to pick on certain people. In my opinion. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[muley1]

anyone that would like to talk off line about this is welcome to email me. I've got some doosies.

[This message was edited by waterhorse on Jul. 03, 2002 at 07:19 PM.]

[carosello]

Appyhunter- Im not a "net person" but I do know that with the variences we have seen of who has gotten the porn pop ups and who has not the only consistent thing is the warmbloods site. It has appeared at 2 businesses for sure (one a law firm that does not use aol, instant messenger, downloads of any kind and java script) and another at I believe an insurance/brokerage firm.
While I do understand what you say about cost sharing on service and allowing some ads...the point it I was told it was IMPOSSIBLE for that site to have anything. I find it increadible that even NASA has been hacked yet this site is impervious. A friend noted a light yellow click on link to some sort of internet hosting site (also found on the classifieds page)and Im wondering if it is partially the blame. Oh well, as I said-ignorance is bliss and there is nothing on that site that cannot be found somewhere else~~~ specially here! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
As others have noted this person has quite a reputation as I am learning. Im sure what will end up happening is the problem will be found, fixed and no apology or even admitting a problem ever existed will be mentioned.

Have a great 4th everyone!

[Norsire]

They are warmbloods.net with the s so I don't think it is for sale. Atleast not the same site.

http://www.norsire.com

[Beans]

I've seen this discussion here and on other BB's and on the Elists and while I don't agree with the web site owner all the time...it is, afterall, his SITE!! Those who seem to be complaining the most and trying to put together boycotts of advertisers don't seem to be stepping forward with much else but negatives. If someone, or a group of people, feel they have a "better mousetrap", then get together and build and MANAGE a site. I feel quite confident that the people lobbing criticism at the site in question have no idea what the management of a site with this much traffic requires and the COST!!!

I seem to recall a discussion on this BB about the COTH possibly charging for these BB's and there was a holy uproar.

The best comments are the ones from people suggesting we need BB's that anyone can post on ...even anonymously...and say anything about anyone or any topic - totally uneditted! How would you feel if information posted was about you, or your stallion, or business and you had no recourse but to just read it like all the other people on the BB????

Seems to be people have a choice...don't "hit" the site if you don't like it. Every hit makes the site more attractive to advertisers....seems to me some alternative BB's have cropped up and died quickly. Why?? Mostly lack of activity.

I'll look forward to see if some of those whipping up a frenzy and putting together boycotts of advertisers (always anonymously I might note).....get their own sites up in the near future.

[susan b]

This is one of the problems - there have been TWO sites that started up that apparently the warmbloods.net webmaster considered competition. One was a site targeted at Oldenburg breeders, the other was targeted towards Trakehner breeders. Casper1 harrassed the starters of the sites, complaining to their hosting ISPs, told the starters of the sites that he was going to shut them down, complained to websites that put links to these two sites and threatened lawsuites until the effect was that the two new sites shut down. THEN there was the DBNA site whose members only forum was repeatedly hacked and disrupted until they discontinued it....see a pattern?

One other thing about the "its his site so he can do whatever he likes" comment. By LAW, public forums are considered a "PUBLIC" place, the same as a restaurant, a park, a store, etc and therefor enjoy the same protection as such. A restaurant owner can not prevent, for example, black people or Jews or whatever from dining at a restaurant nor can the restaurant owner control what is discussed between patrons. The legal "setting up" of regarding forums the same as a public place happened by a Microsoft court case where Microsoft tried to "kick off" a individual who was bad talking Microsoft products on Microsoft's own internet forum. The ruling came down that since it is a free and open forum (ie. no sign in requirement or "click" to "I agree" to the rules statement) that Microsoft could NOT then dictate what is discussed there. Warmbloods.net falls under the guidelines of a free and open forum and anyone can discuss anything, yes including porn, with no recourse from the webmaster. Even the deletion of posts could put the webmaster at risk of a lawsuit on infringement grounds.

So, think of this next time you down with friends at a restuarant - imagine discussing something and having Casper1 looking over your shoulder, telling you "I am going to send you a bill for advertising if you tell anyone at the table your web address" ...or "no,no you can't talk about that and if you continue, I'm going to throw you out of the restuarant."... because by law it is the same thing.

[Tannenwald Trakehner]

We have a Trakehner forum at our farm's site. I don't know if I am allowed to post the link, so if I am not, someone please remove it. It was not designed to be competition for any site, only another option for people to get together (who also may have been banned from participating on other boards). I have been contacted by the owner of warmbloods.net repeatedly and explained that I really do not see why more than one forum cannot exist in harmony, as I enjoy surfing and posting on the warmbloods site as well.
Trakehner Treffpunkt (http://atrakehner.com/ttp.html)

Breeders & Friends of the Trakehner horse:
American Trakehners - European Engineering, Made in America!

[Beans]

but I don't believe the Microsoft Case applies here - the problem isn't people speaking against the website or it's owner - it's other problems. And it's any website owners choice to set limits on advertising - Ultimate Dressage doesn't allow people who are "breeders, trainers, etc." to post on the Horses for Sale!!

Please be very careful when you make references to people hacking other sites - you are on this BB - representing that you KNOW that the DBNA site was hacked by the owner of the Warmbloods.net. If you have absolute proof ...fine...otherwise....?!

[Beans]

Restaurant owners CAN ask a patron to leave if they are bothering other customers or acting in a manner which is creating an unpleasant atmosphere!!! I believe that's the case with the current situation.

[Ninja]

some of the forums are now missing.

[susan b]

But it does apply. I had a nice chat with my legal department when attacked by Casper1 and they said there is no way a webmaster of a public forum can do ANYTHING against posters as depicted by the Microsoft case.

And AGAIN, it is not a matter of warmbloods.net trying to prevent advertising or stopping people who are bothering others. We are talking about people's posts being altered with their names still left on them, negative posts (often anonymous) left up about someone's horse or farm while the positive ones are deleted, being kicked off the forum by trying to defend oneselves against these kinds of attacks, and as the poster above discussed - she set up her own forum only to be harrassed by the owner of warmbloods.net. I don't find this kind of behavior right and I'm surprized that you do.

[Beans]

as I've stated I DON'T agree with everything the webmaster does but unless you intend to take the matter to court (you seem to have already sought counsel and state you have a slam dunk legal case) - why try the case in this BB?

Send an email TO THE WEBMASTER and identify yourself and tell him you believe he is acting illegally and cite the cases you feel are appropriate and take action.

I just don't see the value in posting it here. To affect change shouldn't you just go to the source or the proper legal agency??

[appyhunter]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by carosello:
It has appeared at 2 businesses for sure (one a law firm that does not use aol, instant messenger, downloads of any kind and java script) and another at I believe an insurance/brokerage firm.

Carosello- IF a computer connects to the internet, it downloads. Period. Businesses may be a bit more careful about this stuff, but not all people running biz computers are all that computer literate. There is a very wide variation in operations.

The popup ad servers send their ads along with every page request for pages they are associated with. Whether or not it actually makes it thru depends on how the computer and it's software are set up.

The server hosting a site could be sending this crud out without the active participation or knowledge of the site hosted, but I have yet to read the fine print on site hosting where ad serving of this type is not mentioned, if it occurs.

The alternative- targeted ads- are quite possible, and you all might be due for some serious cookie cleaning. For more than you may want to know.. try the cookie tracking demo and connection analysis on this site: http://privacy.net/

I will note that I have been to THAT site, I have noted the style in which it is run, and I haven't been there in months.

I also moderate a couple of elists, and THAT effort makes me highly appreciative of well run sites like COTH! /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif KUDOS COTH moderators /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Spot]

(before it gets removed anyhow!)


Manker beaks another promise - same old, same old.
From: Bob
Date: 7/5/2002
Time: 1:46:55 PM
Remote Name: 195.53.49.197


Comments
He has told you that servers were being upgraded, that programming was being changed, that he was moving to institute a paid membership requirement for entry to these forums. But, no, what he was really doing was wholesale editing of the forum pages, and libeling certain posters on these forums. What I can tell you is his campaign has thus far been failing very badly. Notice he has chosen to encourage ISR people to contact the Oldenburg Verband, of all organizations that they should choose to contact - to do something about ME. It should be known that neither I or Mrs. Sonia Hogland have received ANY negative mail. What HAS happened is we have BOTH received POSITIVE and ENCOURAGING mail from readers who know or who have learned of our EMail addresses. Those words of encouragement have even included missives from breeders of horses other than Oldenburg. We can count letters from Holsteiner breeders, Trakehner breeders, and Hanoverian breeders, amongst others. So we will not be letting those readers of these forums left without freedom to learn, and freedom from the bulletin board tyrany of Herr Manker's shennanigans.


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[HFSH]

I too have my own personal forum, and was nastily attacked via email when I launced it, because it was viewed that my forum is a competitor. Do you know how many people have their own forums!!!

Most of my members are pleasure riders talking about every day horse problems. My suggestion is to save your emails from him folks, in case you ever need them in the future, and if you have a problem with the management of the site, don't post there.

My YaBB - you have to become a member to post (http://www.hopefulfarm.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi)

Life is too short not to have a horse (or 6)...

Come on over and visit my YaBB (Yet another Bulletin Board) http://www.hopefulfarm.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

[muley1]

I was banned from the warmblood site. I was harrassed and scolded, and threatened lawsuits because I put the link to my yahoo conformation site up. We had 20 members at the time, and the webmaster said that I was in "direct competition" with his site. Hello??

I'm glad to have found the COTH site, and others.

It's too bad, because that site has such promise. But it won't survive in the long run because of the way it's controlled.

[muley1]

In case you don't know me by "Waterhorse"..
My name was Muley on the warmblood forums.
I changed my name when I changed internet services. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[myrna]

i always enjoyed reading your posts!i wondered what happened to you.

mm

[flypony74]

Waterhorse, I don't think you're alone in your experiences and feelings about the site. I had perfectly legitimate, seemingly legal posts removed for no apparent reason. I think he must have some control issues. Like you, I am glad to have found this forum with such friendly people and very human moderators.

[carosello]

Spot, Thanks for sharing...I havent/wont be going back to that site anytime soon. Didnt know I was still getting my 15 minutes of fame though. Oh well, its hot out and Im just trying to stay inside and stay cool. Happy 4th weekend everyone!

[muley1]

Well, I really miss some of the friends that I had over at that site. I see more and more of the warmblood group coming over here.

Here, they treat you fairly. No control issues.

I don't miss the other forum at all. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[mbp]

Well, I don't like a lot of what the webmaster there does, but it is his bb.

Spot - while I don't agree with everything that webmaster does and have been barred myself, copying over here a post from the one person you selected is, IMO, not a good idea. It is one sided and inflamatory in its content.

I am sorry Sonia and Stephanie have had run-ins with the webmaster - I have been left dumbstruck at being banned over correcting a piece of information on a stallion that was, I suppose, not to be posted about.

Nonetheless, I think the post from "Bob" has no place on this board. I don't see Bob starting his own board.

[Sonesta]

While I'm not at all a fan of Scott/Casper's way of running a board, I think this Bob guy is one of the most obnoxious persons I have ever run across. I'd bar him myself!

Muley! So nice to know you are still around!

"Find something you love & call it work."

[muley1]

Nice to "see" you here! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Like I said before, I'ts nice to see some of the old people from the other board coming here.

I really miss some of the people that I used to talk with..

By the way Stephanie, I just joined your forum!
What a great place! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[muley1]

Or is it just me that cannot go there?
I just tried to go and have a look, and I was denied access.

/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[JB]

Hi Muley, er, Waterhorse! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I knew it was you as soon as I read "got banned because of my conformation site" part LOL Glad to see you ARE still around :

[Sonesta]

I just tried to go there and got a message that "discussion forum access has been suspended." Is that because of my post above or is everyone getting the same message?

"Find something you love & call it work."

[muley1]

I had a person who's never been to the site, go and check it out, they couldn't either. So, it's not you, or me /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sonesta]

Oh, good. I had this creepy feeling that he was lurking here and banning everyone who posted anything.

"Find something you love & call it work."

[phastpony]

The Site is under "attack" by a few who are applying "masking" to intentionally disrupt the site. The discussion forums are not available at this time for participation by anyone.

This is what the front page reads now. Darn............and I wanted to post something about EPSM and Rural Heritage.

[JB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by phastpony:
and I wanted to post something about EPSM and Rural Heritage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

hehe

[muley1]

You can call me Muley! I'd like to rename myself Muley for this forum, but I don't know how.. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[muley1]

You're not too far from reality.
He has lurked here before, and asked the staff to remove my posts that he didn't like...

Of course the COTH people refused to delete my posts, but I did alter them to get Casper off the COTH's back.

So, I'm sure he'll be here sooner or later. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Palomino Leopard WB]

Anyone else noticed that the site seems to be dramatically changed? As in most of the WB breeds are gone etc. Also I appear to be blocked from the site...anyone else having problems or is it just me.

[Rhonda]

Oh well no big deal when you can come here. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
He's only hurting himself in the long run.

No horse can go as fast as your money does when you bet on him.

[4_beatin_it]

HOly cow, I just went and took a look....almost all of the breed forums are GONE! I can see the Oldenburg forum site being deleted, too many catfights, but what abut the others?

happy horsin!

[sundanz]

Muley.. it's so nice to know you're still around!This site is so much friendlier than Warmblood.net. I, too, have been harrassed and threatened by casper1 ,who really is Scott Manker. That man has serious control issues I can assure you. Can any of you ladies imagine being married to him?? Anyway...a public forum is a public forum is a public forum. It's there for dicussion, a difference of opinion(s), an exchange of diverse subjects. The meaning of a public forum is diminished when the powers that be are or want to be in total control of what is being said and by whom. It is then no longer a public forum. When I was activeley posting on that forum ( and having my posts removed on a regular basis because it didn't fit the Webmasters opinion), I simply gave up or when I posted something I was very careful what I said, holding my breath each and every time. Nonetheless, I received private emails from him, telling me that if I didn't "conform" I would be banned forever. Well, now it seems he has banned himself.Many of the old "friends" from years past have gone to other forums, including myself.Nowhere is there as much confusion and bitterness as there is/was on the Warmbloods.net forums. I have learned alot there ( Warmbloods.net)from all my great horsey friends but the time has come for many to look elsewhere for fellowship.

Karin
PS: I have also just joined Hopeful farms BB.

[Beans]

will probably go to a sign in site ...just like this one. And these BB's are monitored and some posts are edited!! I don't think there are any sites out there that let people say anything about anyone anonymously. Also I really haven't found any other sites besides warmblood.net that have as much traffic for advertising - if any of you have - what are they??

[sid]

I'm delighted to have recently joined in this forum and to see many of the posters whose opinions and information I found the most noteworthy from warmbloods.net over here. I wondered what had happened to people like "Muley", Karin and others. I've never been "harassed" or "banned" from that forum but have watched the names of "regulars" disappear one by one. I did recently reply to a post about the efficacy and scientific backing of a certain horse health product. I didn't realize that company that produces the product was an advertiser on that forum... within days my post was removed. Interesting and disturbing.

Free speech in a public place is what being American is all about. We're debaters and "learners" by nature. Just as in the "real world", we all need to remember, however, that in cyberspace we also can be held liable for what we say about those we speak about. We post at our own risk with the same ramifications that would ensue had we posted in a newspaper.

We are lucky to have the individual freedom to read and write what we wish...and have the right, as individuals, to choose what we believe is best for us, our lives and our horses. A a truly public forum enables us to exercise that freedom. To have a "Big Brother" telling people what they can and cannot say is simply UnAmerican. Hope everyone enjoyed the true meaning of this 4th of July weekend!

Susan Doner, Little Bull Run Farm

[LMH]

Perhaps this is a bit simplistic---but since it seems there are many complaints about the WB forum...I have had my own irritations over there-particularly when it came to EPSM discussions....why not just stop going there and let the whole thing just fade away?

I would be worried to even post over there since the forum owner (or whatever) seems to exercise his red ink rights quite often.

Many horses are made to believe that all human beings are complete fools....Littauer

[Louise]

Please remember that we do have rules on this forum. Take the time to read them, I will try to dig up the rules reminder thread for you.

We try very hard on these forums to be polite, and to discuss issues, and not individuals. Some of you are pushing way too close to the line on this topic.

It is very hard for any forum to satisfy all of its viewers. Let's quit being so negative about warmbloods.net, and concentrate on making our own forum a pleasant and informative place to post.

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"We are what we repeatedly do.
Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit.
Aristotle

[susan b]

How familar are you with Warmbloods.net? I have absolutely no idea what the traffice for advertisers are on that site or any other site for that matter including this one - are you affiliated with warmbloods.net and therefore know that information?

I was really baffled by your previous posts sticking up for that webmaster when there have been soooooo many that have had terrible experiences with him and now that you are starting to talk advertising hits... hmmmm.

[muley1]

When one tries to control what everyone else says and does, it's bound to get out of control. The more the webmaster tries to control his site, the worse it gets. It's snowballing now..

To Erin, and Louise, Yes, you do moderate, but you do it with tact, and treat all the people here with respect. Even some of the people that in the past were trying to make trouble.

You are greatly apprectiated.. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ltw]

I saw a statement on Warmbloods.net referring to the fact that people were hacking the site and using "Masking". What is it?

[muley1]

When someone masks, or hides their ip number so that they can't be traced.

[This message was edited by waterhorse on Jul. 07, 2002 at 01:06 AM.]

[Beans]

I don't work for warmbloods.net and I DID NOT stick up for the webmaster other than to say it's his site! There are many horse sites that I don't like and I just don't go there. Even on this BB the posts are sometimes so ridiculously off topic I notice I haven't opened pages of threads when I sign on.

You can find out what the hits are by asking any website that is seeking advertising. Most will share it with you if they want to sell advertising - after all it's the traffic that makes the expenditure worth while.

I just like the format of that BB because it has the various breeds separately and you can read see all the subjects without opening an individual thread. Also the Breeding and General Discussion is very informative. Unfortunately some individual boards and some individuals have created a problem. I don't think it's incurable.

BTW - Other BB's have gone through this. The USDF Forum had problems about three years ago and then disappeared for awhile and now it's back again.

This BB has too few topics and it takes a lot of time to scroll down and find threads of interest because the traffic is pretty heavy.

BUT - I do think all BB's do better when people MUST register so at least the webmaster knows who the posters really are if things get out of hand.

I've searched all over and haven't found another BB specifically directed to warmbloods that has as much activity and informative posts as the warmblood.net - if you have then please, by all means, share it with me.

But please don't make accusations that I work for them - that's the kind of post that RUINS BB's. You've decided something then posted it, then someone else doesn't read my response, then they quote you....see what I mean???

I could say you work for the COTH or another BB but I won't becuase I don't know!! I just see people saying they hate the warmblood.net, had problems with the owner and yet seem to know what's going on with that BB - how? if you don't go there. In the business of the internet ...voting with your feet works - if you don't go there - the ticker doesn't click upwards - it really has more affect than making negative comments on other BB's.

[JB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beans:
I've searched all over and haven't found another BB specifically directed to warmbloods that has as much activity and informative posts as the warmblood.net - if you have then please, by all means, share it with me.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd love to know too /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[carosello]

Its a pity that horse-gate.com has forums for warmbloods and disaplines...but its all in German! maybe if there is enough interest either they can create a world wide forum in multiple languages or someone else can do a forum by breeds. There are a couple out there already, Tannewald already listed the one for Traks and there is also an German Oldenburg Horse breeders forum (sorry for the ugly link that is all I have).
http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.asp?usernum=1120083489&cpv=1http://pub14.bravenet.com/forum/show.asp?usernum=1120083489&cpv=1


There is also this site.
http://www.bulletinboards.com/Warmbloodsinfo
broken down into breeds I believe.

[Portia]

Susan B, I can confirm that Beans does not work for warmbloods.net. Not that it matters, as even if she did, she'd have the right to give her opinion.

Thanks for the compliments on this site from various folks, but please, as Louise said, try to keep the talk on issues and not individual personalities.

We can't create separate forums for each warmblood registry. However, anyone is free to start a thread dealing with a particular topic or registry whenever they want. Just remember to keep it on the issues and the facts. If you have a personal opinion about something (and we all do!), try to make clear in your post that it is your personal opinion and not necessarily fact. That's one good way to avoid a lot of tension. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

******
"I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing..." Thomas Jefferson

[Portia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by waterhorse:
You can call me Muley! I'd like to rename myself Muley for this forum, but I don't know how.. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's pretty easy. Just click on the "My Pop" icon at the top of the page to get to your profile page, and change your user name. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[muley1]

I forgot to mention you in the above post but I did mean you too. The moderators here are very professional and most of all, reachable.

Beans, I don't go to the WB forum anymore, but I have made many friends there over the years that I did go there. They keep me posted as to what's happening there thru other forums, and by email.

That's how people that have been banned there know what's going on. This is a small world and news travels really, really fast sometimes..

And yes, that place was a wonderful site to share information, as long as it's "approved" and "censored" information. Who needs that? Not me.

I can go anywhere else on almost any equine board and ask the same questions, and get the same answers. That board has nothing to share anymore.

It's like a great movie that's been ruined by a bad director.

And, the good thing about all these tantrums, is that people are really getting tired of it, and going on to other sites, or making their own forums to share. I have found several since I've not been going there. Look around Beans, there out there.


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[muley1]

Sorry, but I tried to change my name, and it said that Muley was already in use. Is that because I once used Muley and then when I changed internet providers, I changed my name? Anyway, is there anyway to go back? You can email me offline if you like to save this thread..

Thanks much.

Muley aka Waterhorse aka Karen /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Beans]

and can't find any that are easy to use and focus on the warmbloods primarily!

[Everythingbutwings]

Share your particular fondness with us all /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ultimate Dressage may be close to what you want but wouldn't it be better to stick around here and share the wealth?

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[muley1]

and there are as many warmblood owners and breeders here and at other forums as well. Warmbloods aren't any different than any other horse.

It's nice to talk with other Dutch owners and breeders, but I've found that I can do that just as well, even better elsewhere. Without all the hassle.

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[CoolMeadows]

I've never posted on Warmbloods.net, but I get a "Forbidden" page when I try to enter any forum other than Classifieds and Warmblood Breeding.

Is that for everyone? I can't figure out why I would be banned, since I've never posted...

[Palomino Leopard WB]

The warmblood site was nice for the different breed forums etc. but you can ask the same questions on this site and someone is bound to know the answer. Also with the site now changed and many of the breeds gone, it really isn't worth going back...with posts being removed etc. etc. etc. perhaps other people will feel the same and just stop going there. I to have looked at the other sites in the past week. But, the one thing I have noticed is the darn pop up adds on the other sites.
Anyway to turn them off permantently?

[Portia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by waterhorse:
Sorry, but I tried to change my name, and it said that Muley was already in use. Is that because I once used Muley and then when I changed internet providers, I changed my name? Anyway, is there anyway to go back? You can email me offline if you like to save this thread..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It remembers members regardless of their internet provider, based on user name and password. If you can remember your password from when you registered as Muley, you can go back to using that name. Or you can stick with your present registration and just change it to "Muley 1" or something just slightly different. You'll see a few people who are on XXXXX 1 (or 2, or 3, or 4) because they forgot their old passwords or their first registration got messed up one way or another.

******
"I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing..." Thomas Jefferson

[muley1]

I did it. I couldn't remember my old password, so I just went with muley1
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[Ninja]

Coolmeadows.....I don't think anybody can get into the forums. Read the moving message. It sais they are under "attack" *lol*>I'm sorry but that sounds so funny everytime I read it! like the aleins are coming /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif or something > and that the forums are closed. I assume that the ad forum is still open because people paid for their ads to be there and I'm sure they are keeping a VERY close eye on it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[susan b]

I never "accused" you of working there. It just seemed like you trivialized a lot of people's really bad experiences there and then started talking about it being the best site for advertising hits. I don't know why you would say that especially if you don't know the other sites. Just seems like you might be closer to the site or webmaster than we are - ie... friends, an advertiser, etc. If you aren't, thats all you needed to say.

But, it does sounds like you are in favor of a boycott of at least the site if not the advertisers too.

BTW, can we list other warmblood oriented sites here cause I could list a few if you'd like?

[Beans]

I don't know the person who owns the site so please stop with the inferences. If people don't like the site - they shouldn't go to a site. But to organize these blanket boycotts of advertisers makes no sense. It seems to be a burning issue for you - so perhaps you should WRITE to the advertisers and tell them how upset you are. That would be more affective than some anonymous boycott that can hurt really good breeders and companies.

I've just seen this thread showing up here and on other lists. I've always felt that if you WON'T tell a person directly that you have a problem (be they individual or company) then how important is the issue to you. Go to the source, identify yourself and tell them your feelings and why you won't use their product, buy their horse, etc.

My comment about not visiting the site is to underline the fact that traffic on websites is what makes their advertising worthwhile. If you keep clicking on a site you don't support ....you are inadvertantly voting for it's existence every time.

I have had many problems with the threads on the warmblood.net but on balance, many of the posts on the various topics have been extremely informative and helpful. I come to this BB for other types of information and topics - it's been a great debate forum for the NGB matter. But the fluff about halter tops over tank tops does get a little tedious sometimes - so I just pass up opening the thread.

I'd like to ask you again to stop being personal - this is an open discussion and I have nothing to gain or lose if the warmblood.net site exists or doesn't exist. Last time - hope you get the point. BTW - have you expressed your strong feelings to the owner of the site?

[Sonesta]

Here's my two cents on the boycott issue:

Boycott the site if you will. Might make a good point. BUT, punishing those who advertised there is completely unfair. THEY are not the problem. And remember, many of those who placed advertising there did so out of pressure from the web master or to placate him when he got on their cases for one reason or another. The advertisers (no, I'm not one) are innocents here and are being punished enough by the very fact that they paid money to advertise on a site that is in big trouble.

"Find something you love & call it work."

[susan b]

I think it is you who is getting sensitive and personal. You made a statement about knowing ad hits, etc. and I only ASKED if you where close to the site. It was a reasonable question. End of story.

As far as the boycott, I stated that I had been asked by many others to JOIN the boycott, not that I was organizing one!!! And I also stated that since I'm not breeding this year, my participation might not mean much other than my boycotting of the site itself which I have ALREADY done. Also, I don't know what makes you believe that it would be an anonymous boycott and that advertisers would not be notified. I believe the advertisers HAVE been notified and many are trying to get their links down off the site. This is evidenced by postings on another site - yes, ACTUALLY another warmblood oriented site called the wb-sporthorse list which is on Yahoo - at least one advertiser is posting saying she is desparately trying to get the warmbloods.net character to remove her ads and he won't respond.

I also believe that if the site is gone for good, there won't be anything to boycott. Lets hope that is the case.

[muley1]

That boycotting the site itself would be a better idea? The advertisers are going to get business no matter if you boycott the website or not. And I agree, it's not the advertisers that have the problem.

Beans, many, many of us have made our thoughts known to the webmaster, and all we get in return is empty threats of lawsuits up against those who protest. Oh, and don't forget the 30k he said he was going to bill me for posting after I was banned. It's like banging one's head against a wall. The webmaster takes no blame for any of this.

I do have to say that after having a photo of my horse up on his site since last November, without permission from me or the photographer, he's finally taken it down..But not until I contacted an attorney over the matter.

[muley1]

Thanks for the heads up on the wb-sporthorse group. I just went over and joined!

[Erin]

Folks, you've gotten a couple of warnings here... please keep your discussion confined to the topic of the site, not the person running it. Issues, not individuals...

Thanks.

[mbp]

ETBW - I like that!! Maybe we could re-name the sporthorse breeders section here on COTH to B.O.R.G.

B could be for Breeders

Next?

[Beans]

and for those that wanted it gone I suppose this is a victory but for those of us who enjoyed the breeding and other discussions it's a tremendous loss. The format made it much easier and more importantly, much faster, to read the threads. The egroups and other lists are ok. but I find I just end up with way too many mindless emails that I have to delete. Plus I've found it almost impossible to get out of those egroups and lists with yahoo - there's one I've tried for months to stop with no success.

[LMH]

I am very confused--why this is such a debate???

I visited the WB BB and posted some--found some things a bit odd, well, lots of things-BUT if one did not like the BB or the owner or whatever, just don't go there.

If you liked it or did not find it offensive, good for you....

Am I missing something?

Many horses are made to believe that all human beings are complete fools....Littauer

[susan b]

LMH, it wasn't that easy. Some had problems with if ANYONE posted about their stallion or product on that site the owner of said stallion or product would get the angry emails or phone calls with threats of lawsuites. For a hypothetical example, if you had a stallion that wasn't one of the accepted stallions to be discussed and I posted something about it there, YOU would get contacted as if you could control what someone else was doing and you may never have even been to the forum before.

Then there was the problems of negative or flat out wrong postings about an individual's stallion or product. If the owner of said stallion or product tried to post a rebuttal on the subject, their posts would often be deleted while the negative/wrong posts would be left up. That person would be contacted, threatened a lawsuit, and then asked if they wished to PAY for advertising so that they could then post their rebuttal. It was also strange that the negative/false posts where often anonymous...what a great(tongue in cheek or course) to generate $$$.

Then, there are the people who didn't want to go to the site and set up their own forum only to be harrassed at home and work with phone calls - sometimes twenty or more calls in a row (at their place of work!), emails, etc., contacting the new forum's ISP all in an effort to shut down any other warmblood oriented forum out there.

So, see? It is not as easy as just "if you don't like it don't go there"

[LMH]

Ahhhhhhh....I had no idea--glad I never personally knew of any of that....I knew the EPSM forum was...um....moderated with a heavy hand? (Was that gentle enough)-to the point where you could not refer to Rural Heritage or Beth Valentine---That always chapped me a bit, but it was not my problem....I felt bad for the folks with EPSM horses that would not be able to learn of the site. Of course I simply would email them with the addy....

The stuff you havec described obviously goes much deeper. Thanks for the clarification.

Many horses are made to believe that all human beings are complete fools....Littauer

[Ninja]

Site seems to be open again. Most of the forums are gone. I'm actually surprised to see the Holsteiner forum still available, there have been many fights and arguments in there!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif and for the most part it's full of grumpy know it alls.

did i say that?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Marieke]

one wouldn't believe it.

Hay, should I open a forum on my site???? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Marieke
www.boreashorses.com (http://www.boreashorses.com)

[Janice]

What's going on now. Today all I get is a screen to enter my user name and password but no other info on how to get one. Very confusing

[muley1]

They went to a sign up system. Now they can have complete control over what is said.

[JB]

How the heck do you get a username/password assigned? /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Janice]

That's what I'd like to know. Maybe its still under construction and more info will be coming in the future.

[Beezer]

Well, you folks got further than I did! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I've never posted on the site but did enjoy (in that can't-turn-my-eyes-away-from-the-wreck kinda way /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) reading the various, ahem, "discussions." Now I can't even do that! I just get a page saying access is forbidden, that I am not authorized and do not have the proper "credentials" ... whatever the heck those are. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Proud member of the "Huh. I thought I'd fixed that" phase of baby green hunter ownership.

[Portia]

Maybe your press pass would work? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HFSH]

They take up some disk space and bandwidth but can be a lot of fun to run (and a headache). I have a sign-in site too, super easy to use. I use the YaBB forum, and I recommend them. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Life is too short not to have a horse (or 6)...

Come on over and visit my YaBB (Yet another Bulletin Board) http://www.hopefulfarm.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

[muley1]

Is much more fun than the "other" warmblood forum.
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[JB]

it seems to be back in full operation now.

[Mare]

At what address? I just tried and all I get is a page with "No web site is configured at this address." which seems to be an actual loaded page since the Breeders Directory at http://warmbloods.net/breeders.htm works just fine. /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Update: seems the www has been removed on the address! Strange! The front page will work at http://warmbloods.net ... but lots of the links still have the www in front of the link and you have to delete that for the page to come up! Practically everything posted since end June is now gone. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[This message was edited by Mare on Jul. 18, 2002 at 01:30 AM.]

[muley1]

And he's got my horse's photo back up WITHOUT my or the photographer's permission!


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[Palomino Leopard WB]

I am a bit homesick...just how hot and humid is Houston right now /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Maybe I will talk myself out of being homesick if it is really hot.

Also I noticed that the website is still in it's modified version so far as missing breeds...wonder how long that will last since many of the advertisers must own those breeds.

[Portia]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kelly:
I am a bit homesick...just how hot and humid is Houston right now /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Maybe I will talk myself out of being homesick if it is really hot.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
High today is supposed to be 94 f. with 90+% humidity. Same as yesterday, same as the next two months. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif As of 6:30 a.m., it was 86 f. with 74% humidity. As usual, the only question is whether we get thunderstorms and/or tornados in addition to the humidity. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Intellicast Forecast for Houston (http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USLocalStd.asp?loc=kiah&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=Forecasts&product=Forecast&prodnav=none)

[flypony74]

I've pretty much crossed the warmblood forum off my surf list...if I want to keep up with a soap opera I'll check out soapcity.com. It's a shame, because there was some good advice exchanged there, but the management problems really make it a scary destination.

"Dream as if you'll live forever, and live as if you'll die tomorrow." -- James Dean

[Nix]

and went into the breed forums and some are back now...

there are even posts from 7/18

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~ A bad day at a horse show is still better than a good day at work ~

[Spot]

I just keep getting the error message anytime I have tried to access it.

Is it totally dead now or can anyone else access it?

"Spot"

[JB]

Nope, says it's "under construction" whatever that means /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Beezer]

Dang. And here I was sooooo looking forward to being entertained this evening! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I don't know the vast majority of the posters "over there" but I sure got some *insights* into many of them. /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Proud member of the "Huh. I thought I'd fixed that" phase of baby green hunter ownership.

[Sidadressage]

I dont think it's coming back. I also found some error message. guess its dead. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

www.halfpassfarm.freeservers.com (http://www.halfpassfarm.freeservers.com)

[sixpoundfarm]

Someone else should start a new one!! (Different URL of course)

Six Pound Farm http://www.geocities.com/sixpoundfarm

[Norsire]

Please post it.

Home to the stallions Zillionair, Billionair, Issue of Gold, Gold Card, and Pure White Gold.
http://www.norsire.com
Realtor RE/MAX Renaissance, Million Dollar Club

[Sidadressage]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by muley1:
You're not too far from reality.
He has lurked here before, and asked the staff to remove my posts that he didn't like...

Of course the COTH people refused to delete my posts, but I did alter them to get Casper off the COTH's back.

So, I'm sure he'll be here sooner or later. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I rebember you from the other board, and I Just wanted to say hello, and to agree with you. But only in theiry. I cave seen (thought nor expierenced) the other BB first hand attempts at control. All I can say is. for this guy, McCarthysim Never stopped!

JPC
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www.halfpassfarm.freeservers.com (http://www.halfpassfarm.freeservers.com)

[alexandra]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by carosello:
Its a pity that horse-gate.com has forums for warmbloods and disaplines...but its all in German! maybe if there is enough interest either they can create a world wide forum in multiple languages or someone else can do a forum by breeds.

Why don't you just post there in english and see what happens ? I know a lot of germans are missing the warmbloods.net because of the number of people and infos one could get. I guess if you start posting on horse gate in english wuite a few pwople will be happy top answer in english... Maybe write their own posts in english than aswell. we should just get it stated..

[JLR]

I just posted a question there in English about the Donnerhall/Rubinstein mare (see other topic in this forum).

Hopefully I will get some more information on her.

[Oakstable]

I got an e-mail from Scott the other day re a new web site. The message read a little funny and I suspected a virus. I replied without opening the attachment and have heard nothing back. Now I am sure it was a virus being sent out of his mailbox.

[ahf]

Or a virus being sent from somebody else who had Scott in their address book.

I think the Horse-gate forum is a GREAT idea Alexandra. I have to say I've been missing the conversation with German breeders quite a bit. The other day I posted a question about a german stallion and there was deafening silence. Had it been on warmbloods.net I know there would have been someone that knew something.

[alexandra]

I saw your message about the mare. I have nothing heard about such good result, but considering that MPT in Germany are not that much attended by spectators and that the marks are not so often read out in public, this does not count for anything. I could ask a friend who is testrider for the hannos sometimes and has contacts with the Oldenburg Verband aswell.

to AHF, there are not so many people at the Horse -Gate forum than at warmbloods yet. You might get an answer later....