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Tin
Sep. 11, 2001, 09:41 AM
Here as I sit trying to figure out all of what's going on since I've been in school from 6am, there are assholes laughing and joking about bombings. What insensitive morons, perhaps we should put them in the situation and see if they are still laughing.

Tin
Sep. 11, 2001, 09:41 AM
Here as I sit trying to figure out all of what's going on since I've been in school from 6am, there are assholes laughing and joking about bombings. What insensitive morons, perhaps we should put them in the situation and see if they are still laughing.

Jo
Sep. 11, 2001, 09:43 AM
The footage I saw of the celebrations in the Mid East made me sick. It was horrible.

dodgegrrl
Sep. 11, 2001, 09:44 AM
Tinners

Everyone has their own reaction to things like this. Even in grief a persons reactions can seem very bizarre. I think it may just be beyond their scope. Like lil ponies at a 6' ditch. Only this one has collapsed and is on fire.

Start praying.

Cactuskate
Sep. 11, 2001, 09:44 AM
I would think anyone finding humor in this devastation is not emotionally equipped to handle this overwhelming feeling of no control.

Maybe they should all sit quietly in front of the nearest TV and watch this tragedy unfold.

"The older I get, the better I used to be."

DMK
Sep. 11, 2001, 10:42 AM
Sometimes people use humor the same way they use grief - as a an outlet to emotions that are too intense. Perhaps they feel things more acutely than another and need to protect themselves.

It wouldn't seem to serve any of us well to be passing judgement on another right now.

Jumphigh83
Sep. 11, 2001, 10:47 AM
Lucky for the USA that I don't run the Country because there would be NO middle east left by tonight....Binladen would be history as would most of the continent...Screw their oil...once they are erased we just take it....this is a dusgusting disgrace....I can't imagine who would or could organize this in the name of God (allah)..my God doesn't want this type of basic evil in the world...I pray for the victims, their families, their friends and all touched by this act of war.

Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way...

Duffy
Sep. 11, 2001, 12:42 PM
I just watched the footage from some place outside Jerusalem...What are they teaching these children?!?!?!!? They showed CHILDREN celebrating this act of terrorism. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Kachoo
Sep. 11, 2001, 12:49 PM
Duffy - I too found that deeply disturbing. That was one of the video clips I saw today in my university library, and it very nearly made me physically ill. Little kids, laughing and dancing in the street because tens of thousands of Americans are dead? I don't care how much you hate somebody - you don't rejoice at their callous murder. Before we are Americans, Palestinians, Chinese, or whatever, we are human beings, and that kind of response is telling of a very, very sick society.

Cheers,
Susie
http://www.kachoom.com

"Laugh at yourself first, before anyone else can." ~Elsa Maxwell

STF
Sep. 11, 2001, 12:52 PM
I know they have a hell of a life there, but that is not the way the people need to think!! I can not understand why someone would be happy that tens of thousands of people are dead!!!! And those children will be "running" their land one day....NOT GOOD in my eyes!

AHC
Sep. 11, 2001, 12:54 PM
Kachoo, I agree. Terrorism and death and destruction are NEVER things to celebrate. How horribly sad that kids are taught to rejoice at the expense of the lives of others, regardless of what country they are from.

Cactuskate
Sep. 11, 2001, 12:54 PM
Go cautiously, we who live in glass houses.

All I can say is Vietnam, WWII. "We" as a country did our share of cheering at the destruction of many a village. War is just deplorable, unfortunately the vicious strike must be of some value to those who chose to take that course of action.

It is sickening.

"The older I get, the better I used to be."

Magnolia
Sep. 11, 2001, 12:57 PM
Please, PLEASE-
The people celebrating in the Middle East may be being FORCED to celebrate.
I knew an Iraqi girl in college...remember the scenes from Iraq? She said that if you did NOT participate, your life was hell...There were spies for Hussein everywhere.

Ride it Like You Stole It...

Hopes And Dreams
Sep. 11, 2001, 01:05 PM
I agree that the footage from Isreal was unbearably disturbing, but I agree w/ those who said that America did their share of cheering over other's deaths in past wars. Even here, many people are no much better- Several actually thought it was "funny", "cool", and "exciting" that 10s of thousands of people are dead. /infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif It really makes me fear for our future. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Why is humankind so..(thinking of the right word)..cruel? (inconsiderate and selfish fit too). /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I really really worry about what life is going to be like in 10...20...50 years. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

AlyssaC

Kachoo
Sep. 11, 2001, 01:19 PM
Hey, in this instance, I'm speaking for myself, not for the entire nation. I feel that the joy in the streets of Lebanon is sick, just as I feel Pearl Harbor, the Holocaust, the dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the Vietnam War were sick. I'm not differentiating between any of these events just because the Americans were the victims in some and not others. War/acts of violence are not healthy things, period. If you have the ability to feel joy at someone else's suffering, then you need to sit down and take a serious look at yourself, whether you be Palestinian, American, Mongolian, whatever. This is why I refuse to even make statements like - "Yeah, whoever did this needs to be hunted down and torn limb from limb!!!" I do feel that the groups behind this need to be brought to justice and the necessary action taken, but not in a senseless way. And if a military retaliation is deemed unavoidable, I will feel no more joy from it than I felt when I heard about the towers, the Pentagon, and Pittsburgh. All I will feel is regret - it's a shame any of this happened at all and that anybody had to die.

Although I will concede Magnolia's point - that's something I didn't consider. However, if the country's leaders are forcing people to pretend joy at this, then the society is even sicker than I originally thought.

Cheers,
Susie
http://www.kachoom.com

"Laugh at yourself first, before anyone else can." ~Elsa Maxwell

UndeniedGirl
Sep. 11, 2001, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
Lucky for the USA that I don't run the Country because there would be NO middle east left by tonight....Binladen would be history as would most of the continent...Screw their oil...once they are erased we just take it....this is a dusgusting disgrace....I can't imagine who would or could organize this in the name of God (allah)..my God doesn't want this type of basic evil in the world...I pray for the victims, their families, their friends and all touched by this act of war.

Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100% that what happened today was awful...but I dont think that attacking anyone is going to be solving any problems. First off, we dont even know who was behind it yet, everything is just stipulation. Secondly, it is far deeper than what we saw today, and simply attacking them back wont do anything but get us hit again....harder. I agree something needs to be done, but wiping out the Middle east is far from the answer. *Cass*

Life is like a jumper course, the best time wins!

Chicago
Sep. 11, 2001, 07:28 PM
What I want to know is: why does everyone assume that this is automatically a Middle Eastern act of terrorism?

There are plenty of other countries that sponsor terrorism (hey! the U.S. does too!), so we should be careful before saying anything about who did what where.

That said, the people who would do such a cowardly, repulsive act must be brought to justice.

Palisades
Sep. 11, 2001, 07:35 PM
Jumphigh83, the last thing we need right now is more hatred... that's what started this. Let's try to focus on prayers and rescue efforts instead.

(Please don't take this as an attack on you- I realize we're all a little touchy today)

Miniwelsh
Sep. 11, 2001, 07:35 PM
While I found the scenes of people celebrating in the streets disturbing, I took a step back to realize that they probably face what we faced today every day of their lives. They spend every day worrying about a loved one being bombed or killed ina horrific way, and they believe that they are being killed with the United States help. The situation in our country right now is horrific and about the saddest thing I have ever witnessed, but I still can't bring myself to say "To hell with the Middle East, let's just bomb them and move on" Never having walked a mile in their shoes, i can't honestly say that I would get any satisfaction or justice from an innocent child, baby, man or woman being killed, let alone all the animals who would be killed when we drop the bombs.

Thanks for pointing out Magnolia, that we don't know all the facts and shouldn't automatically think eye for an eye.

*Behind every good woman lies a trail of men*

moose
Sep. 11, 2001, 07:48 PM
I think it's a reality check to see how hated America is in some countries. Rather than assume that it's just because we're americans, I think we need to investigate why we are hated and know how that hate is perpetuated to truly get to the source of it all and who feeds it.

On a realistic level I know we'll be cheering news of a retaliation attack even if that is on civilians as well. That is the madness of war. You still can't escape the fact though, that whoever did this, staged it in such a vicious way, intentionally with civilians. Who ever thought of such an act needs to sqwashed and soon, they've proven there is no line they'll cross.

If this was an act of murder where one person forced another to drive a car into someone to kill them, it would be declared as psychologically sick and twisted. The sheer thought that a country/gov't may have put this into a plan is sickening.

starlady
Sep. 11, 2001, 09:59 PM
This was in the editorial of the Jerusalem Post this morning and I found a little comfort in it, so I pass it on the BB:

"We are sickened once again by scenes of Palestinians dancing in the streets, this time celebrating the deaths of Americans. We have trouble fathoming the hatred directed at us, so we can only imagine the bafflement and pain of Americans attempting to contemplate the baseless hatred directed at them. Some Americans, like some Israelis, may be tempted to think about what they have done wrong, what they might have done to cause people to take so many lives. The answer is that America has been attacked not for what it has done wrong, but for what it has done right: for being the hope of the entire world."

--s.

hobson
Sep. 12, 2001, 06:26 AM
I guess if you and your family just spent the last 50 years living in a sh*thole piece of land, having been booted from where you used to live, with no economy to speak of, and the US was the best pal of your enemy...well, I find it unsurprising. I think it's mainly Americans who believe that we are the universal font of peace and justice. The rest of the world realizes that we support democracy and peace only as long as it does not interfere with our resource consumption. Because of our creation and support of murderous dicatorships, you will never, for instance, see Mister Kissinger travel to Spain, as the citizens and courts of that nation would very much like to see the US held accountable for its own crimes against humanity. I find this tragedy to be completely shocking and horrifying, but sadly I'm not at all surprised that there are factions out there who are desperately pissed off at the US.

Nickelodian
Sep. 12, 2001, 06:33 AM
Its a good thing I don't own a gun, or my TV woulda been taken out last night. I have hatred in me at those people celebrating that I didn't even know existed. Yes they are civilians also, but you don't see me dancing in the streets and yelling at the site of their country being torn apart. Damn them all to hell.

5 months down........6 to go
(OMG, I totally missed month 4!!)

Goodyfourshoes!
Sep. 12, 2001, 06:39 AM
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Nickelodian
Sep. 12, 2001, 07:22 AM
I know we are hated, I know we are despised, I did not realize that people had it in them to celebrate the death of thousands of people who were completely unsuspecting, and had absolutely nothing to do with their troubles.

5 months down........6 to go
(OMG, I totally missed month 4!!)

ponyjocke
Sep. 12, 2001, 08:35 AM
Let's not repeat history and suddenly hate all middle easterns as happened to the japanese in wwII. We DON'T know who did this yet! As for the people celebrating i feel pity for them being so ignorant as to celebrate the loss of innocent human life. Don't hate the children who probably have no idea in their head about what really went down.....and have been taught all their lives "america is bad'. Hating them will not solve anything.

Duffy
Sep. 12, 2001, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ponyjocke:
Let's not repeat history and suddenly hate all middle easterns as happened to the japanese in wwII. We DON'T know who did this yet! As for the people celebrating i feel pity for them being so ignorant as to celebrate the loss of innocent human life. Don't hate the children who probably have no idea in their head about what really went down.....and have been taught all their lives "america is bad'. Hating them will not solve anything.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think anyone hates the children. Obviously, it is NOT their fault. It was just a disturbing image. Almost more disturbing is that these brainwashed children will grow into adults, God willing.

I do believe that innocent lives will be lost when the US strikes back. However, I believe these innocents will be placed in the path of danger BY the guilty parties. Unfortunately, I don't believe those parties will feel the guilt. We will. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ponyjocke
Sep. 12, 2001, 09:01 AM
Brainwashed was exactly the word i was looking for. We don't even know if they really know what happened, do you think they had just been watching cnn? Highly doubtful. I know there is rage and everyone wants justice but don't take it out on every middle eastern person you see, just as you wouldnt want the world to type cast you as another timothy macveigh. Save the rage for when we catch the people who did this.

Sep. 12, 2001, 09:11 AM
On the morning news in an interview, it was mentioned that in an Iraqi newspaper it says "Americans got what they deserved." I believe this quote is from Saddam Hussein.

What is wrong with these people? Just because a country is not allies with us does not mean they have to celebrate or make comments like the above. I'm just apalled and still in shock...

* Fiero *

just_me
Sep. 12, 2001, 09:53 AM
=============================================
worthy wrote:

Langshaw, as one rather astute poster in another thread pointed out, those videos of people
dancing and celebrating are no more real representatives of an entire country than the KKK is of the entire United States.

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That may be true, but these people shown on tv are the same people who strap on bombs, or support those who do, and blow up pizza parlors and discos full of teenagers.

There are various people and media in the middle east who have come out in support of what was done yesterday.

Maybe many Arabs deplore what happened yesterday, but you can't deny that many more are clapping their hands with glee over the death and destruction.

HelloAgain
Sep. 12, 2001, 10:35 AM
Yes, I absolutely deny that. I firmly believe that hose images show only a tiny fraction of a population. A fraction of extemists.

Smart Alec
Sep. 12, 2001, 10:39 AM
"That was one of the video clips I saw today in my university library, and it very nearly made me physically ill. Little kids, laughing and dancing in the street because tens of thousands of Americans are dead?"

It also made me feel great anger and just sick that people would rejoice over those who have suffered and died. I realize it is only one video and one scene in which we see them celebrating...but as much as I may disagree politically or otherwise with someone....I would never celebrate their death and destruction...no matter who you are. Maybe Americans have celebrated the deaths of enemies past, but I certainly never was dancing out on the street making a spectacle of myself over another's misfortune...besides does that make it right and justifiable?
As far as the kids....well, what can we expect? If the adults teach the children that it is a good thing for Americans to die...what else do they know?
As for them living what we lived through everyday of their lives....well, as I said, I don't cheer when they and there families are killed...I don't know what to think of people like that, except that they are sick and disturbed...I just hope that all involved in causing/helping this massive tragedy get what's coming to them.

Panda
Sep. 12, 2001, 10:53 AM
...I watched a talk show a few years ago that had 2 families that were members of the KKK. They had young children on stage, dressed in white sheets, spewing out awful, hateful, racists things. It was easy to see how brainwashed they were and it made me sad for them that they were being brought up this way. I couldn't blame them because it was what they were being taught by their trash parents. But what's scary is that these children grow up to be racists adults, capable of doing much more harm than just talk. And that's what's sad about watching it happen in other countries...whether we can try to understand why the children were celebrating our loss (they were taught to, brainwashed, from their perspective we are the evil ones, etc.), it will just continue as they grow up and teach their children the same thing and on and on.

hobson
Sep. 12, 2001, 01:38 PM
I was a college student during the gulf war, and I remember being sickened by the keg parties at which Bruce Springsteen's 'Born in the USA' and drunken cheering were the soundtrack to CNN coverage of the bombing of Baghdad. People everywhere have an equal capacity for being mindlessly insular, patriotic swine. As long as the bad stuff is happening to someone else, we humans really don't care all that much.

Fred
Sep. 12, 2001, 04:38 PM
it's too bad those keg partiers didn't actually listen to the words of Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" - a poignant antiwar anthem if ever there was one.
I think we tend to dehumanize our enemies. There is so much suffering and hatred in the world, that it is easy to forget that each one of us is human - who love and are loved.
I hope that the people who are responsible for this horrifying act (those who are still alive, that is) will be brought to justice without more hatred and bloodshed.