Horses on "Law & Order"

[Coreene]

I make no secret of the fact that I am a ho for this show. But the other night I had SUCH a laugh, which we may have discussed here previously...

They find rich involved party hacking in Central Park. In show clothes. With a stock pin. And flat tack. And others are riding in show clothes as well.

Ouch!

On a separate note, for all you fellow L&O hos, Saturday night it's all three shows back to back.

[Coreene]

I make no secret of the fact that I am a ho for this show. But the other night I had SUCH a laugh, which we may have discussed here previously...

They find rich involved party hacking in Central Park. In show clothes. With a stock pin. And flat tack. And others are riding in show clothes as well.

Ouch!

On a separate note, for all you fellow L&O hos, Saturday night it's all three shows back to back.

[Classic Hunter]

Horse people in the eyes of Hollywood...no comment. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif There is some serious education that needs to happen here! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Sandy M]

Yeah, that was an old one, but I thought it was funny too. Be grateful they didn't have her in hunting pinks! On the other hand, I always thought that the "tweedy" look defined the very rich horsey set - wonder why they didn't go for that? (or is that only the BRITISH horsey set?) (No nationalistic slur intended - me mum was born in Nottingham, England).

[TrakHack]

And I get my nightly fix every evening at 10pm on A&E. I DIDN'T see the show you're referring to though... I must only be a L&O "ho in training". Perhaps Benjamin Bratt can give me some schooling (as I wipe the drool off my chin!)

If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me... Only if you're a true DQ though.

[Sandy M]

I understand Saturday night we can all get a triple fix: L&O, L&O SVU, and L&O CI, back to back to back - plus, probably, L & O reruns on A & E at 10 or 11 PM (depending on where you live). My brother and I never really discussed it, and then at Christmas, when I went to his place for dinner, I immediately glommed onto the remote and found an L & O rerun and he admitted he, too, was an addict.

[tyedyecommando]

They also have been runing Law and Order on TNT or TNN (one of the T channels) weeknights and you can also catch it on Sunday nights on USA. LAw and Order is everywhere.

[Xctrygirl]

I love that I finally get to mention this. I have ridden in both Hyde Park in London (rental horse) and Central Park in NYC (rental horse) and both times I was wearing jeans and chaps and both times I crossed paths with people riding in full show regalia. Honestly!!!!!

I cannot describe the snickers I managed to keep in as I passed some chics in TS britches and custom coats and posting about 2 feet straight up.

As much as I know Hollywood has a different image of riders than what exists in most daily life, on this one they may have gotten help from some 'real riders'.

And as a further giggle, I used to teach lessons at a riding stable in Burbank, right next to the studios. A so called "actress" came in for lessons and almost always had on cream colored lycra leggings (faux britches) and brown topped joan and david boots. She did learn to buy a pair of paddock boots, but oh how she wanted to look like a show rider!!!


~Emily
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[rockstarr]

She's my eventer friend and fellow PR practitioner. She's off starting her own consulting business right now in upstate New York, where she finally has her very own two beasties right in her backyard -- woo-hoo!

Anyway, her first job in NYC, back in the day, was as a production assistant for Law & Order. She has great stories, and says that Jerry Orbach (aka Dirty Dancing Dad) was the nicest of all the stars.

"Nobody puts Baby in a corner."

[DMK]

no no no!! Jerry is much more famous as the candlestick in Beauty and the Beast /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I love L&O (certified addict, and I really think Vincent D'Onofrio is the best thing to happen to a cop show since we said goodbye to Frank Pembleton), but damn... I hate it when they tackle a horse topic. Remember the one that was the take of on the Helen Brach/insurance scandal? What was that horse's name? Mr. Nickers or something equally idiotic like that? Fortunately the rest of it was pretty on target and good as usual, but Mr. Nickers? /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[TrakHack]

As much as I like SVU, I MUCH prefer episodes with Jerry Orbach. If it's Jerry and Benjamin, I'm a step closer to heaven!

You know, I've not been to Central Park, but I have been to Hyde Park. I didn't see anyone riding when I was there, but I don't think it would surprise me if I saw them in at least tweed hacking jackets. Perhaps its the proximity the Royal Mews? If I saw someone in America in full hunt or show regalia at any place other than, oh, say a hunt or a show, I think I'd have a good chuckle.

Oh yeah, and doesn't the "actress" know that only MEN wear boots with brown tops??? Sheesh...

If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me... Only if you're a true DQ though.

[Coreene]

DMK, I so agree with you. Vincent - aaaaah, conjures all sorts of horsey things like ... ah ... the saying about excercising one's horse a lot and not walking it out before putting it back in the stall. You know what I mean.

I rode in Hyde Park in jeans. Had many raised eyebrows. Love the signs that discreetly say "Galloping is not allowed," especially when they whizz by when at a full tilt gallop. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Blinky]

I miss Angie Harmon's character-she ruled as far as her opinions!

Was in London last year-saw folks riding in Hyde Park-not in show regalia but they did have everything safety wise on including vests.

[Seven]

...I think it was MR. WHICKERS!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

All kidding aside though, it's still a great show. I get to see them filming it all the time (the Brach case one was filmed at a stable quite near my horses and the rest of it really IS filmed 'on location').

The only problem I have with the show is all the people who I know who can't seem to understand why I am STILL working on a litigation for over a year "when they never seem to last that long on L&O...." Always to be followed immediately by..."I *know* it's just TV...but still...haven't you been on that case entirely too long?" /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif It's gotten so I just tell them it's the same client, but a different case. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[TrakHack]

Is when they have a witness who will likely get whacked if he testifies, and the witness says "What am I supposed to do? Move to Nebraska?"

I guess I kind of like living in a state where when you mention it people say "Oh, I once drove through Nebraska..." /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me... Only if you're a true DQ though.

[Sandy M]

Lord, I guess it's a sign of my age that as muc as I admire B. Bratt's chiseled cheekbones(and I know/knew his cousin), I miss Chris Noth, but overall, I'm definitely a Waterston/Orbach fan. I'll even devotedly watch the 2nd half if I miss the first just for my Waterston fix. (He is looking a bit weathered these days, but then, so am I!)

A sort of related comment: Can you believe Jill Hennessey's wardrobe on Crossing Jordan? I always liked her on L & O, and it's nice to see her playing a "freer spirit" on CJ, but man, while I'm sure the guys appreciate it, it does seem odd that all her clothes are a size too small.........

[DMK]

Serendipity, when I first typed the post, I ACTUALLY TYPED MR. WHICKERS!!! But then I thought, "No, it couldn't have been something THAT bad, could it have?" And changed it to Nickers. That'll teach me to underestimate Hollywood! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Coreene... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I sooooooo agree.

And phoooey on Benjamin Bratt! I never did forgive him for taking Chris Noth's place, thank you very much.

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Seven]

mmmmmmmm....the good ole days with Chris Noth /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(now apparently appearing in a few Lifetime movies...still yummy)

I think the original cast was the best, but the good writing has made up for any poor cast member choices in later years.

BTW...wasn't it Nebraska that Jerry Orbach's character was talking about when he said "I spent a year there one day..."?

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[Heidi]

Don't know if anyone else read the piece in last month's Vanity Fair about the murder of financier Ted Ammons - a case which would make a wonderful L & O episode. Rich folk, acrimonious divorce, a grisly murder, rumour, innuendo -- and horses.

His wife, Jennarosa, from whom he was divorcing is 'implied' as a suspect in his death, along with her current b/f. She, BTW, was/is a rider who rides/rode in Bedford, competed on the A's, did the Florida thing.

[TrakHack]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serendipity:


BTW...wasn't it Nebraska that Jerry Orbach's character was talking about when he said "I spent a year there one day..."?

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Yep, I think that was it!

You know, I feel like the fellow L&O lovers here are all my long-lost sisters, but I'm having trouble with the whole Chris Noth thing... Oh well, that just means that Benjamin Bratt is mine, all mine!

I love Sam Waterston, too. He kind of reminds me of a koala though...

If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me... Only if you're a true DQ though.

[Coreene]

Well basically they could send over Sam Waterston, Benjamin Bratt or Vincent d'Onofrio and I'd take any of the three. And Chris Noth as well, but not with Very Obviously Dyed Hair.

[Glimmerglass]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heidi:
Don't know if anyone else read the piece in last month's Vanity Fair about the murder of financier Ted Ammons - a case which would make a wonderful L & O episode. Rich folk, acrimonious divorce, a grisly murder, rumour, innuendo -- and horses.

His wife, Jennarosa, from whom he was divorcing is 'implied' as a suspect in his death, along with her current b/f. She, BTW, was/is a rider who rides/rode in Bedford, competed on the A's, did the Florida thing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goodness what a story! The poor man is literally hen pecked by someone unworthy and financially soaked by her ... and then the kicker: he never changed his will. Thankfully she is being blocked from the money by his executors.

As for her skill as a competitive rider that remains to be seen - nothing comes up with her having won anything of significance.

[Merry]

Oh, I've had a "thing" for Sam Waterston ever since waaaayyyy back in college I saw him in "Glass Menagerie." *sigh* How many times did I have to beg my theatre professor, "Isn't it time for another field trip into L.A.?" /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I know he's getting to be rather seasoned looking, but at least I'm faithful.

"You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at." -- The Sundance Kid

[Portia]

There was a piece on 20/20 or Dateline or one of those interchangeable TV newsmags the other night about a DNA testing in divorce cases, focusing on a pending case involving a Very Rich Old Man and his younger (though only by about 20 years) third wife. She was trying to trigger a "bad boy" clause in their prenup by proving he had an affair -- and she did it by turning over some soiled sheets she took off their bed for DNA testing. Ewww.

Their last name is Johnson or something like that? They showed scenes of them in Palm Beach, and then showed a photo of her obviously taken during a dressage test riding a lovely WB, and her position looked quite nice. She was wearing a top hat and shadbelly, so she must have been showing at least 4th level. What I noticed was that they showed the dressage photo a the same time the voice-over was explaining how his lawyers are arguing that she has wasted his money on her "expensive hobbies." /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Glimmerglass]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:

Their last name is Johnson or something like that? They showed scenes of them in Palm Beach, and then showed a photo of her obviously taken during a dressage test riding a lovely WB, and her position looked quite nice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually that story will be on Primetime tonight at 10 EST - and she is Nanette Sexton Bailey. Although she rides sans the Bailey name. A quick review of her on the net yields some good placing at upper levels. Of note, both she and her hubby were each rather wealthy going into the marriage.

The so-called "bad boy" clause (of which Michael Douglas reportedly has also) is an amazing piece of pre-nuptial language. What ever happen to the basic premise of honesty in marriage?

[DMK]

Definitely sounds like an episode for next year!

As for Sam Waterston... yup, he can leave cracker crumbs in my bed any day. He has most certainly improved with age.

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Portia]

Oh, that's right Glimmer -- the husband's name is Richard Bailey, and of course I had to think what an unfortunate name THAT is in the horsey context!

Is the Ammon case different from that case in California (also shown on Dateline as one of their Dateline/Court TV pieces) where the woman owns a horse farm and her daughter is a H/J trainer, the husband was found shot to death, and the wife was eventually convicted but tried to pin the blame on her daughter?

Now that one is probably going to turn up on L&O eventually. (I couldn't watch the dog case on L&O last night. Too grisly for me and I hate to see vicious dogs on TV, especially when based on a terrible true event.)

[Beezer]

I've kinda come around to Merry's way of thinking on the whole Sam thing ... which could be a first! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And Merry, dearest, don't think I didn't realize that you've changed your signature line to the "accusation" I always lob at you when you come up with another one of your grand plans.... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

***I see trees of green, red roses too. I watch 'em bloom for me and for you. And I think to myself ... what a wonderful world. Yes, what a wonderful world." -- Louie Armstrong.***

[vineyridge]

was the very first El Gallo in the dear departed (or departing) Fantasticks.

He's done a bunch of other musicals as well.

Very talented, versatile actor.

BTW--I use flat tack on my horses, and would think riding in Central Park in formal Hunt clothing a hoot.

[Seven]

Wellll, in the beginning, I wasn't a Sam Waterson fan (not in general, just not in the DA part because I thought that Michael Moriarity had played that part SO very well. But with the good writers and his growth in the character, I've grown to like him....and now, I'd probably have to go along with DMK. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And I know whatcha mean, Sister...it's always fun to learn that not ONLY do we have horses in common...but certain other, eh-hem, interests. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif hhhhmmmmmmm, this thread is starting to look like a new clique forming...the L&O Ho's??
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[Glimmerglass]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
Is the Ammon case different from that case in California ... where the woman owns a horse farm and her daughter is a H/J trainer ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is Portia, although the California case sounds almost as weird! The link to Ammon case:

Newsweek - Ted Ammon Murder (http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/658993.asp?cp1=1)

I know that Generosa has shown previously at HITS Catskill.

[Heidi]

There was a prominent show photographer, who actually shot the wedding portraits at our trainers' wedding, who was convicted last year of killing his ex-wife's new boyfriend. Does kinda make you wonder, eh?

The actor who played Ben Stone (man, his name escapes me) has been making his way across Canada since he left the series. Settled in Halifax for a while - got into a terrible bar brawl; moved to Vancouver and was recently charged with assault. Such a wonderful actor (he had such quiet intensity) but seemingly a rather violent alcoholic.

[Finzean]

Mr.Wickets??? Mr. Wickets???

Ben Stone = Michael Moriarity??

L&O Addicts unite!!! Benjamin Bratt and Carrie Lowell were my faves - and Jerry Orbach is the best! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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There is no crying in baseball!!!

[Seven]

I think it *was* Mr. Wickets!

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[DMK]

YEP, Finzean gets the prize!!

Hard to believe it could have been worse than a) Mr. Nickers or b) Mr. Whickers, but there you have it...

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Duffy]

It's great having all the different L&O's on three channels these days (and nights /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )...Have to watch Sex and the City to get fixes of the current Chris Noth. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Heidi]

Chris Noth's nostrils are almost as big as a WB's.

[akrogirl]

Hi Sandy M - I am also from Nottingham, so say hi to your mum for me /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Serendipty - I was also a huge Michael Moriarty fan and had the same reaction to Sam Waterston initially. He has definitely grown on me, however. OTOH, I like Benjamin Bratt as a person, but he never came close to replacing Chris Noth, IMHO.

[Merry]

Oh Heidi, I noticed the same thing about Chris Noth: the nostrils of an Irish Thoroughbred. He must be an incredible "stayer" on the turf. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at." -- The Sundance Kid

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DMK:
Definitely sounds like an episode for next year!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

On the new L&O Criminal Intend, there was an ep a few weeks ago where an older wealthy husband was murdered, the son and young wife were suspects, AND DNA was done on a bed sheet. /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Jane]

I'm having a senior moment here, so no specifics, but there is some type of riding event that takes place in Central Park every year...in the fall or early winter, I believe. Not a private party....more like a charity of some sort. I know they start out in front of Tavern on the Green. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Seven]

Jane, you're thinking of the Claremont annual 'Drag' hunt in Central Park! It's actually a great event, and of course it's formal and held during the traditional hunting season. Not surprisingly, the 'hunt' always ends at Tavern on the Green where the riders are served hot totties. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Goodyfourshoes!]

Wow, I thought I was the only one "obsessed" with L&O.

Hubby and I watch it every time it's on, we've seen every episode at least twice. Did anyone catch the L&O marathon on A&E on New Years Day?

It was all the ones where different characters come and go; quite interesting. We sat in front of the TV, in our pajamas, for EIGHT hours. hehe.

I saw that Primetime thing on Nanette Sexton, I think was her name? I was watching and all of a sudden it was like...wait...that's a dressage saddle...wait... that woman can actually RIDE! Oh shock!

Heidi is right, Michael Moriarty is a great actor, but I saw an interview with him during his days living with a woman in Halifax. He accused everybody in Hollywood of being "real KGB" (??). The man is a little nutty.

[Robby Johnson]

and loved Angie Harmon MUCH more than Carey Lowell, though I didn't want to like Angie (Abby) when Carey (Jamie) left the show. Jamie was too whiney.

My favorite is S. Epatha Anderson (I think that's right) but mainly because she was Miss Ruby on Pee Wee's Playhouse.

However, I literally melt at the sight of Chris Meloni - too bad he couldn't jump over to L&O. I saw the guy who plays Orbach's partner (damn, what is his name?) sing the role of Collins in "Rent" in 1997 on Broadway. (I think it was Collins, it may've been Benny.)

Now, I used to ride a mare for a woman when I was in high school. The mare was a skitzoid neurotic TB and one day a year Missus would come out to ride. In full togs too.

Robby

[WHOA!]

Robby, you were right the first time-- He was Collins. Yum. I'm magically attracted to any man who plays that role just because the vocals are in that range that's just really mellow and sexy.

I love the show too, but I've stopped watching the new ones--the new ADA ruined it for me. Every other ADA has had some teeth or at least interesting personality quirks. This woman is as dull as wallpaper paste and about as scary.

Moriarty is apparently a total lunatic.

Personally, Harmon and Lowell were my faverite ADA's. And I love Waterson too.

Ok, that's it for my summary LOL.

[Seven]

I don't get the attraction to Harmon. I never liked her character and she's just so skeletal, I'm worried what body images messages she sending.

I also feel that a lot of her bravado is a bit forced, but she does counter balance that AWFUL new DA.

I'm really saddened to learn that Moriarity is a lune (I mean...I always knew he was Canadian, but still... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). He was so perfect for that character. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

To keep this horse related, I know they have a whole staff of advisors that help make the show realistic...so who dropped the ball when they tried to make us believe that a horse who would have looked more at home pulling one of the carts in Central Park was, in fact, an A show hunter?? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (Notwithstanding his awful name).

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[DMK]

Agreed on the new ADA - not one of the high points in L&O casting to be sure, but I think Claire was my all time favorite, and then the guy who worked with Moriarity (can't remember his name). I always liked the episode where he came back as a defense attorney too. Fortunately Dianne Wiest is a worthy successor to Schiff's character.

I really like the ADA that works the Criminal Intent cases. Is it just me, or does he have a voice to die for?

Serendipity - casting for Mr. Wickets must have been handled by whoever did the new ADA casting /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Heidi]

Haven't watched enough of CI to comment but SVU has been rather a disappointment.

I think the leads are fabulous actors (especially loved Chris Melloni on OZ) but they seem frustrated and stifled by the quality of the writing and character development. Clearly, they need a horse episode, or two. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Don't know if anyone else has ever seen the creator Dick Wolf on shows like Politically Incorrect, but he strikes me as a wonderfully thoughtful, deeply intelligent man.

Hey, speaking of Canadians, there are two Canadian producers who work on the franchise series - as was/is Jill Hennessy. So, loony or not, slowly but surely, we'll take over the series and subversively indoctrinate all you L&O ho's to the Canadian Way. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sandy M]

Heidi - I hesitate to think what the subject matter would be of a horse episode on SVU (sex-related crimes). Yikes!!

Glad they brought Belzer over from Homicide though: AT least they salvaged SOMETHING. I understand his SVU character and his paranoia are pretty much one and the same.

And yes, apparently Moriarty is a bit of a LOON. You should read the article about him in the L & O Unofficial Guide. He likes REAL women who don't talk back. For a truly over-the-top performance, try to see him in an old horror movie called "Q" or "Quetzocoatl" about a mythic monster hatching on top of a New York skyscraper (sort of a huge Pterodactyl thing). with L & O, there were apparently on-the-set incidents such as his demand EVERYONE else leave while he did his scenes. He also, apparently, has been hospitalized at times for mental problems. He apparently took Janet Reno's comments about violence on tv very personally and regarded her as the equivalent of the KGB - the reason he left L & O.

Yes, the new ADA on the original L & O is .... wallpaper. (But, ya know, that's probably closer to reality).

It's S. Epatha MERKERSON (not Anderson). She originally appeared on L & O in an episode as the mother of a suspect.

I believe Richard Brooks is the name of the black actor who was the original ADA with Moriarty. They replaced both him and Dann Florek not because of anything "wrong" about them, but because it had been decided that the show was too "testosterone" driven and needed some women - thus S. Epatha Merkerson and Jill Hennessey, now of Crossing Jordan.

[Seven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandy M:

It's S. Epatha MERKERSON (not Anderson). She originally appeared on L & O in an episode as the mother of a suspect.

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Yeah, I saw a funny interview with her after she'd been on the show for a while...the interviewer asked how she might explain going from the cleaning staff to police officer...and, she laughed and said "night school." /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

They've done that a lot though, it's almost as if they 'test run' characters before they appear on the show -- Jerry Orbach was an attorney in an early episode before he was a detective. That's a bit harder to explain than Merkerson's transformation.

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[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandy M:

Glad they brought Belzer over from Homicide though: AT least they salvaged SOMETHING. I understand his SVU character and his paranoia are pretty much one and the same.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Belzer and Fin/Tutufoala? (Ice T) are about the best things about that show - I much prefer this new cast than the first season. I think the writing and everything has settled down a bit. It was not good the first season, that's for sure.

And I'm glad Belzer/Munch has the same personality in real life - I can only hope that Pembleton/Braugher is intelligent and intense to boot. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Did you ever notice that Belzer always plays Munch? Even on the X-Files /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

And to keep this horse related, d'ya suppose Munch ever rode a horse while trying to uncover a government conspiracy?

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Sandy M]

Munch ride a horse? I doubt it. But he probably bet on some at Pimlico.

In the "reel life" vs. "real life" vein, the "unofficial guide" did mention that Sam Waterston, a Yalie and fairly liberal politically, has often had minor problems with some of the more conservative dialogue/attitudes, but he's an actor, and a job is a job.... in the "White Rabbit" episode, they originally had Claire Kincaid as the one sympathetic to the '60s era leftists and McCoy hardline, but they switched that, feeling it would be more realistic for the older McCoy to have those sympathies.

My best friend's husband absolutely HATES the show. He concedes the quality of the acting and writing, but feels it has way too "right" a slant for his taste. I agree to an extent, but feel there generlaly is an effort to present both sides and the reality of the justice system (i.e., plea bargaining, etc.).

Certainly, the Moriarity DA was more obviously "moral," the McCoy DA more of a gameplayer and manipulator, though the character has his rightous moments and crises of conscience.

[marianne]

a Pee Wee Herman fan. She played Rita the mail lady. To make this horsey there is always Cowboy Curtis and of course Miss Yvonne the most beautiful girl in Puppetland.

[Coreene]

Well. I am blonde, I am Dutch, and I did model, but alas it was Plus Size modeling (stop giggling, I didn't do any of the Lane Bryant stuff in jeans and a bra) and I guess that this may have disqualified me.

Or the fact that I have never met him. But yeah, back to that horse connection, rode hard and put away wet, yeah baby.

I just wonder where the prop people go for the tack when they film these little horsey shots.

[TrakHack]

I think we are long lost relatives of some sort /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif! I was wondering if someone was going to bring up this view (which I happen to share):

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serendipity:
I don't get the attraction to Harmon. I never liked her character and she's just so skeletal, I'm worried what body images messages she sending.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

She was in a Lifetime made-for-TV movie that I saw earlier this week and they had her in oversized shirts and frumpy overalls, which I thought was interesting. She was also the mother of two kids in the movie, the oldest of which was 12. Yeah, right...

I think it's pretty clear that I need to drop everything right this moment and become the equestrian consultant to L&O. If they only KNEW of all the wacky things that go on in the horse world, they would be set for scripts for several years!

If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me... Only if you're a true DQ though.

[Finzean]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandy M:
It's S. Epatha MERKERSON (not Anderson). She originally appeared on L & O in an episode as the mother of a suspect.

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Actually (note how sad I am that I know this) she was the mom of a boy who was shot. He may've been an accomplice or something though. I just have this vivid image of her post trial in the courthouse and an exchange of words between her and the ADA (can't remember which one - old age)

Maybe we could start a L&O BB. We could talk about what a hotty Vincent D. is and have a discussion on whose nostrils are the largest: Chris Noth or Dionne Warwick???

Ummm horse related...anyone see the episode of Walker, Texas Ranger where the girl was out exercising her race horse colt in a field behind the house and when she saw Walker she galloped up to the fence and sailed over? Of course she takes him to the track where he runs drugged up by the bad guys but wins anyway and then beats death even though he was supposedly down for over 24 hours. Gotta love TV! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Love live Mr. Wickets!!! (Isn't that the name for some piece of croquet equipment???)

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There is no crying in baseball!!!

[Sandy M]

See, my problem with Vincent (fine actor, though) is I still have the vision of the "Edgar suit" in Men in Black every time I see him. I'm getting over it, but.....

There is a L & O site, including (heaven help us!) fan fiction. If you've ever visited, for instance, a Star Trek fan fiction site, you can imagine where this sort of thing can go. On the Star Trek sites they do indicate what is "X" rated, however.... Haven't really checked out the L & O site in that regard.

Harmon in baggies. Certainly not Jill Hennessey's problen on Crossing Jordan!!! On the other hand, Harmon isn't doing too badly for herself in the fiance/husband department(Jason Seahorn of the NY Giants (?) I think. Didn't he propose to her on Tonight or something?

I think the funniest Made for TV movie involving horses I've seen is one - can't remember the title - where a handicapped kid (accident) is sullen and nasty and is taken to a horse ranch to interact with the horses as part of her therapy. The featured horse is a smallish sorrel pinto mare, that "a French millionaire" is willing to pay "millions" for so it can be the "basis of his breeding program." Yeah, right. It also features neat stuff like feeding hay to this fabulous horse, which is kept in a pole paddock, by pitchforking it from a wheelbarrow right into the horse's face as it stretches for the hay.

[Finzean]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sandy M:
See, my problem with Vincent (fine actor, though) is I still have the vision of the "Edgar suit" in Men in Black every time I see him. I'm getting over it, but.....


Sugar...in water...

Oh, no! I had quite forgotten about that! L&O CI will never be the same...

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There is no crying in baseball!!!

[DMK]

OK, SandyM - I had to work pretty hard to get past the "Sullen D'Onofrio Who Was Alive for his Own Murder Investigation" from the Homicide days (still the best show ever, with the possible exception of St. Elsewhere, but how big a surprise was that - same folks did both?), but the "Egdar Suit" provides a much greater challenge!!

To keep it horsey, should someone forward this thread to the L&O folks so they know what are target rich enviroment we are?

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[WHOA!]

OK, I can see y'alls point on Harmon, but I think her bravado was supposed to be forced some of the time. I think the reason I never liked Henessey's character was because she kept sleeping with all her bosses. It rubbed my radical feminist tendencies the wrong way /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Goodyfourshoes!]

DID she keep sleeping with them all? I remember the one where she asked to be excused, I think...but then it all caught up with her in the end (the guy with the boat?)

I remember a definite theme that McCoy has slept with all of HIS assistants, although I don't think that was true with Harmon/Lowell/the new one, who is dull, dull, dull....

St. Elsewhere was one of my favourite shows, even as a pretty dumb teenager. Although towards the end it got kind of dark, with what-sis-name's liver cancer, the other guy with the autistic son, the rapist who ended up on Tour of Duty etc.

I watch far too much television.

[Duffy]

That movie, I believe, is called "Wind Dancer". /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Sandy M]

Wind Dancer - Yep, that's the one. Pretty dumb movie with not particularly likeable characters except the old grandpa or whomever played by the late Brian Keith.

[Duffy]

In fact, "Wind Dancer" had the ADA from the old "Hill Street Blues" -- wonderful show! Hmmmm...ahh yes - Veronica Hamel - Wasn't she the harda## rehab lady for the girl? I agree that the movie didn't have much going for it, except that it had horses in it! Didn't you want to slap someone when the horse wasn't going to get his dinner because it was nasty weather outside and Daddy was going to back his daughter up on that one?

[Sandy M]

Yeah - pretty bad. Like no one would have thought - oh, it's gonna rain, better feed early.

But it was the whole premise - that this ordinary little horse - a prime candidate for a rent string - could possibly be considered as worth millions and an animal that people were willing to steal and kill for!

Now come on - the movie people are all impressed with lovely Arabs, and fancy Andalusians and impressive Friesians. They couldn't have picked a more impressive movie horse??? Heck - that buckskin QH from Dances with Wolves would have been more convincing, although no real horse person would assume HE was worth millions either. It isn't like the girl had to ride it or anything. Heck, as far as I can recall, all the horse did in the entire movie was stand in its corral - it didn't require a real "horse actor" like that old gray in "Cat Ballou!" ROFLOL

[Coreene]

Angie Harmon's voice bugged me.

As for "Claire" sleeping with the bosses, it does have a lot going for it from a time management aspect. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Sandy M]

Waaaal, honey, Angie's a TEXAN! You cain't blame her for a-talking that way.

As for Claire - seems to me her initial statement to McCoy was that she was bothered by the idea that he had a rep for sleeping with his ADAs and some sort of resolve that she would not succuumb. (Hah!) I believe his statement at the beginning of that episode was that in 23 years, he had only had affairs with 3 of his ADAs. At t he end of that show, Claire twits him that in 23 years, he's only had THREE WOMEN as ADAs. LOL. As for Clair herself, we know she did have an affair with the one guy (judge). I don't think that means we can say she slept with "everyone" she has worked for. We could assume it was only that guy, and then Jack McCoy. Now "Jordan Cavanaugh" - that's an ENTIRELY diffent issue and open to MUCH speculation!

[Coreene]

It's not a Texas accent I mind, I think those are grand. It's the I'm Losing My Voice part which gets thicker on cue.

And I have slept with all of my attorneys.

[Heidi]

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Yes, I hear really good things about the M & A (mergers and acquisitions) attorneys.

[HSM]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glimmerglass:
Quote: "Originally posted by Heidi:
Don't know if anyone else read the piece in last month's Vanity Fair about the murder of financier Ted Ammons - a case which would make a wonderful L & O episode. Rich folk, acrimonious divorce, a grisly murder, rumour, innuendo -- and horses.

His wife, Jennarosa, from whom he was divorcing is 'implied' as a suspect in his death, along with her current b/f. She, BTW, was/is a rider who rides/rode in Bedford, competed on the A's, did the Florida thing."

Goodness what a story! The poor man is literally hen pecked by someone unworthy and financially soaked by her ... and then the kicker: he never changed his will. Thankfully she is being blocked from the money by his executors.

As for her skill as a competitive rider that remains to be seen - nothing comes up with her having won anything of significance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Want an update? Todays paper says that the widow just married the electrician and they haved moved to a $6.8 million estate outside of London. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Now L&O is SURE to use this story!!

BTW: I also LOVE L&O. And for whoever mentioned St. Elsewhere, it has shown up in reruns on the Bravo station here.

[Sandy M]

Well, now, Coreene, I've been a legal secretary/paralegal for.... more years than I care to say... and I've only slept with ONE of my attorneys. I don't know whether that's good or bad. *G*

[Glimmerglass]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by coreene:
It's not a Texas accent I mind, I think those are grand. It's the I'm Losing My Voice part which gets thicker on cue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't have said it better myself! Visually she is of course extremely attractive but as soon as she speaks its that raspy, unsexy voice, that just makes me think she's been smoking unfiltered Chesterfields for years ...

IMHO her character is just too much of a bully next to the seemingly always exhausted McCoy.

[Glimmerglass]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HSM:

Want an update? Todays paper says that the widow just married the electrician and they haved moved to a $6.8 million estate outside of London. /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Now L&O is SURE to use this story!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep - I saw that update which just means it will be that much harder for the Suffolk County DA to get at them. If I'm not mistaken Ted still owned a Cotswold estate in England.

Link to today's story: Move to the UK (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20020124/us/hamptons_murder_mystery_1.html)

and older piece on this story but one which still is a little bit of justice:
Decked in Bar Brawl (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nypost/20020106/lo/slay_widow_s_beau_decked_in_bar_brawl_1.html)

[ShowJumps]

Can't believe how many fans there are... I thought I was just crazy! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"No One Trains For Second
Place..."

[Kryswyn]

I remember a TV Guide article where Sam Waterson and Dick Wolf were saying oh, yeah Jack & Claire are doing it/ have done it. And Jill Hennessy was, "What? Claire's sleeping with Jack?"

Waterson said, "Yes, Jill, "we've" done it" /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What I found interesting was that the men just naturally ASSUMED that Jack would score w/ the beautiful Claire, /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif and Jill H. believed an attractive woman COULD WORK WITH a man and NOT automatically sleep with him!

~Kryswyn~
"Always look on the bright side of life, de doo, de doo de doo de doo"

[Blue Devil]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serendipity:
They've done that a lot though, it's almost as if they 'test run' characters before they appear on the show -- Jerry Orbach was an attorney in an early episode before he was a detective. That's a bit harder to explain than Merkerson's transformation.

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OMG! I saw that early episode too and I CRACKED up. I couldn't believe Jerry was a LAWYER. I guess seeing him as a cop makes it harder to see the lawyer part.

**~~Emily~~** proud
member of the junior clique!
Emily@catchride.com

[Blue Devil]

I watch ALL of the older ones--In fact, I have been for the past 4+ years--so I see many repeats :P

But I HATE Diane Weist (sp)in the new ones. She is SUCH a weak character to me. Maybe it is just that I have seen her play the pyschologist/psychiatrist in a few of the old ones so I can't see her like this.

**~~Emily~~** proud
member of the junior clique!
Emily@catchride.com

[DMK]

Actually kryswyn, I thought it was pretty well accepted that Jack & Claire were an item, so to speak... There were multiple references to their affair throughout the show, and a few more after her death.

I just figured they didn't make it overt because very little of the character development is around the character's personal lives.

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Jane, you're thinking of the Claremont annual 'Drag' hunt in Central Park! It's actually a great event, and of course it's formal and held during the traditional hunting season. Not surprisingly, the 'hunt' always ends at Tavern on the Green where the riders are served hot totties. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Thanks, Serendipity, that was what I was thinking of...or tried anyway. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Sandy M]

Well, all I can say is that Dick Wolf (or his casting director) just KNOWS WHO HE LIKES.

On L&O: SVU and L&O: CI over the past week or so, they recycled the religious murderer of bad children from the original L & O to a role as a cop, and the network executive for a reality show to a role as a crooked FBI undercover agent.

[Erin]

guys... horses? /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Coreene]

I would like it if they called one of us the next time they showed horses on that program so that we can Fashion Police it.

[Sandy M]

I'm sure Lennie Briscoe BETS on horses. There, is that topical? LOL.

Julie Roberts rides, or thinks she does, and she dated Benjamin Bratt. There's another topical reference.

Hmmmm..... There've been a couple of episodes where mounted cops discovered the "victim" in Central Park.

There, that should cover it.

[Blinky]

I hate the new ADA-she always seems so disorganized or sloppy.

Anyway-did anyone see the movie Second Chances on the Animal Planet. Halfway through the movie Ginger who is supposed to be a mare becomes a gelding!

[Sandy M]

Blinky, whenever something like that happens in a movie, I always yell, "Continuity girl!" There's supposed to be someone who keeps track of stuff like that (The book is where it was on the table, the phone is hung up, the light is still on, etc.) when breaks are taken during filming of scenes. Funniest incident of that sort I ever read of was when they were filming Moby Dick, and the guy who's sailing the "Pequod" realizes that the ship is going to drift onto the rocks, so he yells for more sail, etc., and the continuity girl screams that he "can't do that" because they sails were not in that configuration in the previous scene!

I saw a movie where, while the opening credits appeared, the guy was riding a blaze-faced chestnut. As he came over the top of a hill, it changed into a bay with a star, and when he rode into town, it was again a blaze-faced chestnut. or how about the movies where there are multiple gray/white horses playing a single horse: Often, as in the Thunderhead, the different horses are obvious to "horse people," but I'm sure the movie folks figure one white horse looks just like another. *G* At the final scene of the tv show M*A*S*H, Col. Potter mounted his "mare Sophie" and rode off - on a what was very obviously a gelding. ROFLOL.

[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I would like to foxhunt with Vincent d'Onofrio <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Coreene... I would stage a BB catfight with you, over the right to foxhunt with D'Onofrio /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(see... horse AND BB related!!)

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Goodyfourshoes!]

Oooohoooo....

My hubby and I are M*A*S*H fanatics. So much so that my wedding band has "over hill over dale, our love will ever fail" engraved in it (brownie points to whoever gets that!) I just LOVE noting whether Sophie is a mare or a gelding, a bay or a chestnut, a stripe or a star in each episode "she" appears in. I suppose for a series that ran for 11 seasons, you can only do what you can do...

But, geez, get the sex right!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Heidi]

Given that the show has been renewed through the 2004-2005 season, we should start our letter writing campaign now so that they include more horsey episodes.

http://www.canoe.ca/Television/jan30_dickwolf-sun.html

[Coreene]

I cried and cried at that part.

But didn't he give her away once in the series as well?

A man after my own heart, spending lots of free time cleaning his calvary saddle.

[Sandy M]

Yeah, Worthy, I remember that "Sophie" had many incarnations. I just remembered that final one because FX had a recent M*A*S*H marathon, including the final show, and I was struck by how OBVIOUS it was that THAT "Sophie" was a gelding.

I guess that's why you rarely see many Appies in movies (except as anonymous Indian ponies), since if it's the star's horse and there are stunts, etc., involved, it's too hard to match all those patterns, but,hey, bays and chestnuts all look alike, right? Guy Madison, as Wild Bill Hickock, rode an Appy (Buckshot), though! (And now we all know how old I am)

[SillyHorse]

I think I get the brownie points, Worthy. Didn't Frank give Margaret a ring that had that engraved in it?

Another L&O fan here, although I just watch the reruns. I love seeing the cast change from night to night!

[Seven]

good try...but that was Margaret's ring inscription from Donald Penobscot. Klinger accidently thru the ring away and Hawkeye & BJ got her a new one from a Korean who could also make a more sensitive arterial clamp... but it wasn't done correctly...it should have read "our love will NEVER fail"

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[Seven]

You two can spend your time fighting over who gets to hunt WITH Vincent D'onfrio....so long as I can just HUNT (track & trap) him.....

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[Sandy M]

Coreene - that was a "final ride." Supposedly he gave her to an orphanage. My alamred thought was, "Well, I hope they take good care of her.... and don't make a ...ulp!.... meal of her." I mean, considering war conditions........ not meaning to be un-PC, but considering the time frame, a war ending in a country that at the time had limited industrial development, etc...... Ah, well, it was just fiction, right?

[Seven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sister:
I think we are long lost relatives of some sort /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif!
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That certainly works for me, Sister....my brothers were very persistent in telling me that I was from the Boston Orphanage....or left on the doorstep by Gypsies....they couldn't seem to decide which event it was! Either way, it's totally possible I have a 'Sister' ...particularly one with whom I share so much in common... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Looks like I'll have to come out for the KS-NE-IA clique meetings! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Seven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandy M:
Coreene - that was a "final ride." Supposedly he gave her to an orphanage. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought he gave Sophie to a Korean farmer??? Could have been the orphange though too...

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[Seven]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DMK:
Actually kryswyn, I thought it was pretty well accepted that Jack & Claire were an item, so to speak... There were multiple references to their affair throughout the show, and a few more after her death.

I just figured they didn't make it overt because very little of the character development is around the character's personal lives.

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I dunno, DMK.... I thought one of the last episodes before she died, she made a point of expressing how she HAD NOT slept with Jack....even though he had slept with his other assistants. I could be way off on this one but...?

On a horsey note....I think that Claire would be a better rider then Jack, wouldn't you (all) agree? She has the right body type for the show world. Of course, does that statement, just perpetuate the body image problems rider's face??? hmmm, this is quite horse-related now!
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[Goodyfourshoes!]

Serendipity does indeedy get the final brownie points. It was inscribed in the engagement ring given to her by D. Penobscot, of course, including the "N". When Klinger accidentally throws out the ring, which Margaret had wrapped in tissue paper while in surgery, Hawkeye and BJ approach the "arterial clamp" maker to replace the ring. Turns out, he sells tons of them - cheaply. He replaces it, but misspells the phrase...hence the "ever fail". /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I thought hubby and I were the only ones silly enough to know that!!! (You should have seen our jewellers face when we explained...no...definitely leave the "n" off...)

Regarding Sophie's appearances...Sophie was given to Colonel Potter shortly after he arrived by Radar. A chopper pilot had spotted her loose and supposedly injured (hey, didn't look lame to me) said he was going to go shoot her - but Radar convinced Hawkeye and BJ to go find her. Then, she was a chestnut.

The episode everyone is thinking of, in which Col. Potter gave Sophie (this time a bay) to a local Korean, is one in which the Korean laundry girl brings her Grandfather with her on her rounds one day. Turns out the Grandfather was once a revered soldier in the local cavalry ("tell your grandfather no starch in the breeches. He's Cavalry, he'll understand"). Next day, Radar discovers Sophie is missing. After much searching, the laundry girl arrives with her Grandfather, in full Cavalry garb, up on Sophie. Col. Potters outrage softens when he finds out that riding the horse is the only thing that makes the old guy remember his glory and feel better about becoming a lowly laundryman. Col. Potter gives him the horse. HOWEVER, during the night, the old man passes away, and the next day the laundry girl arrives with the horse, thanking the col. for letting her grandfathers last hours be filled with "honour and dignity.".

So there. Sophie came back.

And appeared off and on, until the final episode in which Col. Potter rides off, after telling the gang that she would be donated to the local orphanage, supposedly to plow the fields (!). "A good bit of hard honest work never killed a horse".

I must admit that my favourite Sophie episode involved a visiting doctor who drove the others nuts, so to be rid of him they convinced him that Col. Potter let everyone ride...he took off ya-hooing around the camp, waving his cowboy hat in the air. Col. Potter tossed him.

Am I the only one who wondered how Col. Potter ever got hay for that thing in the middle of Korean winters? I doubt the mess tent supplied it.

[SillyHorse]

It all comes back to me now, Worthy and Serendipity... it's been a long time since I've watched M*A*S*H*! I thought I'd pee in my pants the first time I saw the episode where Klinger was dressed as the Statue of Liberty at the end.

But this is an L&O thread, isn't it. Love Sam Waterston. I just saw him for a few minutes the other day in "The Great Gastsby." He was so young...

[DMK]

Serendipity... Well, now I am stumped! I guess I will just have to dedicate myself to watching those episodes a little more carefully!

As for Claire, yes, I think she would make a better rider than Jack... But I for one, would be first in line to volunteer to teach Jack how to ride... And Vincent... yes, I do think I have some skills that he would find useful in this area... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Sandy M]

I really enjoyed the PBS production where Waterston played Oppenheimer, and enjoyed him in "Gatsby" too, But of course, for a more unsavory Waterston role, there's always "A House Divided". And I always try to catch the re-runs of - oh, what's it called? - I'll Fly Away??

I recall the L & O Episode where a former ADA/lover of Jack McCoy was being spoken to by Claire, and she said something along the lines of "Oh, you know Jack, ... you ARE sleeping with him, aren't you?" and Claire looked a bit embarrassed but offered no denial. My impression both from the show, interviews with the actors, and the "unofficial guide" is that they definitely were an item, despite Claire's expressed intention in the first L&O in which she appeared that that would NOT happen.

[Coreene]

Soppy cow that I am, I got all teared up just reading your post about Sophie and the old grandfather.

As for L&O:

I would sleep with Sam Waterson
I would sleep with Benjamin Bratt
I would sleep with Vincent d'Onofrio

And to make this a horsey connection, I would offer to leave my snaffle bit bracelet ON while doing the sleeping.

[TrakHack]

Was the one with S. Epatha Merkerson as the custodian mother of delinquent child AND where Ben tells a witness he can "testify today and leave for Nebraska tomorrow"!

You know what's sad? Both Wednesday and Friday are "barn nights" for me, but I make sure I get home in time to watch L&O. I'd be willing to bet my mare would like watching it with me though; she has a thing for grey-haired males /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif!

Serendipity, if I'm ever near NYC, or if you should pilgrimmage back to the Great Plains, we should definitely plan a L&O/e-bay shopping fest!

In the words of a true DQ, if you don't have anything nice to say, come sit by me... /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[DMK]

Ahh, but Coreene, I would be willing to leave my Big D Snaffle slide and my omega chain on! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(But I substitute Noth for Bratt /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

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A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Heidi]

Share with me your wisdom, DMK.

Coreene, you make me blush, you brazen (yet considerate) sleeper, you.

[DMK]

No problemo, Heidi!

An omega chain is a necklace that is linked together in such a way that it holds it's "collar" shape better than your run of the mill ordinary chains (hence making it much more appropriate for a slide). And of course, I think it goes without saying that Vincent would far prefer this sacrifice, as opposed to Coreene's measly little offering /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And since a picture is worth a thousand words, here ya go...

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A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Coreene]

Can't stop laughing. DMK, that was just the jewels. Anyhow, what would you GIVE UP for it?

I would toss my Herm Sprenger curb bit into the pile.

[DMK]

hmmm... a herm sprenger is notable, but I think my custom Big D happy mouth mullen mouth bit would definitely raise some (among other things) eyebrows...

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A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Heidi]

As it's clear that I've found kindred souls, Heidi confesses in hushed tones, I had to store my marquis cut solitaire in the bank vault - those sharp edges kept snagging on flesh. I felt like the Hannibal Lecter of Tiffany's. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And speaking of flesh, my good friend Vincent has called and has but one question of Those Who'd Slumber With Him - what kind of spurs do you girls wear? /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[DMK]

I thought we had covered spurs in my earlier post where I offered to teach Vincent how to ride... /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

But I'm sure my spur collection is the envy of all(in a former life I rode western pleasure /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ), AND I am very fond of silver tipped spur straps (except when they clash with my jewelry!)

Heidikins, dahlink... just ask my little Vincie-poo what his preference is... /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

(so when do you suppose Erin busts us?)

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A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Jane]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heidi:
Given that the show has been renewed through the 2004-2005 season, we should start our letter writing campaign now so that they include more horsey episodes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second that. Also, they need to know that the show is by far the most popular tv show (well, as far as I can tell anyway) amongst COTH BBers. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Heidi]

Thusly, shall allow my good friend, Mr. Didn'tofferoh to speak for himself.

Dearest Heidi,

As shy as I am, I am ever so grateful that you've taken it upon yourself to find me the perfect Life Companion. A horse woman to boot, whatever more could a hoster of slumber parties wish for? I am beside myself with joy.

Must confess, though, like the wearer of the glass slipper, I'm looking for a gal who fits the attached. Please see what you can do and I shall speak with Dick and get you a guest role on the next episode of Criminal Intent whence you shall play a heinous bejewelled tearer of flesh.

Love,

Your Good Friend
Vince

http://www.historicenterprises.com/sl/imgs/spurs/rowelspurSLSP-4B.jpg

DMK, I'd give it about 15 minutes before our good pal Erin steps in. Though, for the life of me, this is about as horsey as I get. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Merry]

As coreene knows, I have this little habit of entertaining myself while I'm STUCK writing articles (equestrian or otherwise) I get assigned last-minute by panicked editors. So how do I keep myself inspired? By emailing to my female editors "risque" photos of certain appealing male celebrities, complete with my own delightful captions.

I once made a horrid mistake, though, of somehow installing one of the photos as wallpaper on my desktop! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Oh,the horror if Mr. Merry, hunk and wonderful lover that he is, would've used the computer before I could figure out how in the heck to rectify that faux pas!

Given the hypothetical chance, I'll remove all jewelry and get acquainted with, well, I maintain a list. Sam Waterson is at the end, alphabetically. He'll have to wait until I get around to him. I may get hung up with the "D's" and "F's". /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at." -- The Sundance Kid

[DMK]

Heidi!!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

oh... wait... I own a pair of those...

Now Merry... do elaborate on the F's... (and of course you know there is PLENTY of room down here in the gutter with the rest of us L&O ho's)

Horse related topic: Could those spurs be used to commit a L&O crime, and which series would it be most likely to show up on?

***An optimist thinks we are living in the best of all times...
A pessimist fears this is true.***

[Merry]

What? You have to ask whose last name starts with "F"? Why, it's Oded Fehr! Well, here he is, with short hair. And, by the way, he does ride horses, although not of the show ring variety. But I could change that. I'm sure of it. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at." -- The Sundance Kid

[Erin]

ooookay, i believe that is quite enough. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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*** DISCLAIMER: Please pardon me if this message seems overly abrupt, or there are blatant typos or a lack of capitalization. My left hand is broken and in a cast, and typing is not my favorite activity at the moment! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ***