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holaamigoalter
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:18 PM
I feel so stupid asking this but...

http://www.studforlife.com/presse/2010/Photos/2010-12-03_Paris/GucciByGucci/AsTaro.jpg

lachevaline
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:24 PM
IMO, yes. If you zoom in you can see the bottom half of the noseband and throatlatch and it looks pretty photoshopped: picture (http://i40.tinypic.com/14sd1uh.png).

Rel6
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:30 PM
No, its not fake. Horse has head shaking syndrome and goes better without a bridle. The pair is Luciana Diniz riding As-Taro 2 and if you google them you can probably get more info on them.



IMO, yes. If you zoom in you can see the bottom half of the noseband and throatlatch and it looks pretty photoshopped: picture (http://i40.tinypic.com/14sd1uh.png).

That is not a noseband, its a curb strap holding the bit in the horse's mouth.

Catherine Cullen
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:32 PM
Nope, it's real! Here it is in context:
http://www.studforlife.com/news_detail.php?id=1459

One other way you can tell it's not photoshopped is the way the ring of the bit is behaving.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBQ23DmL0U

Absolut Equestrian
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:34 PM
Nope, that is a real picture of As-Taro and Luciana Diniz. Apparently the horse had a head shaking problem, and went better without a bridle.

Another picture (http://www.toffi-images.de/var/toffiimages/storage/images/equestrian-disciplins-weg/jumping-springsport/10-59-d0142-luciana-diniz-por-as-taro-oldb/100342-1-ger-DE/10-59-d0142-luciana-diniz-por-as-taro-oldb1_large.jpg)

and a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysBQ23DmL0U)

that_grey
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:36 PM
That horse goes better than some horses that wear a bridle! ;)

yellowbritches
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:43 PM
I feel like there was a horse very successful in the GPs when I was a kid....Woodstock?....who jumped in a similar rig. All the names surrounding him are escaping me, but they are all names I SHOULD know. I think he was a west coast horse. Can anyone help my addled brain out?

This would have been early 90s.

BigPaintHorse
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:46 PM
Suzie Hutchinson?? And Woodstock ... horse I know...riders last name not positive

grandprixjump
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:47 PM
The Indians might have jumped stuff with a "jawline"

would be very similiar to that...

theinstigator
Apr. 6, 2012, 08:51 PM
Susie Hutchison and Woodstock had a similar setup.

http://threedaysthreeways.blogspot.com/2010/01/susie-hutchison-with-bridle-less-horse.html

GrantanaKC
Apr. 6, 2012, 09:06 PM
My trainer in md would challenge us to ride like that, just bit and reins, to practice having a soft, constant contact with the horses mouth. Of course, no where NEAR this level, but it was fun and challenging to do some 2'6 courses like this! Definitely takes a lot of skill to keep the bit in the mouth!

AnEnglishRider
Apr. 6, 2012, 11:54 PM
My trainer in md would challenge us to ride like that, just bit and reins, to practice having a soft, constant contact with the horses mouth. Of course, no where NEAR this level, but it was fun and challenging to do some 2'6 courses like this! Definitely takes a lot of skill to keep the bit in the mouth!

I was looking at that thinking it might be fun to try... In an arena with no other riders just in case I did lose the bit

CaitlinandTheBay
Apr. 7, 2012, 12:27 AM
Can someone just mention of delightful that coat is as well? Definitely a fan of this pair.

kmwines01
Apr. 7, 2012, 12:41 AM
I was going to say just like Susie Hutchinson and woodstock but people beat me to it! They were one of my favorite pairs to watch.

ETA: I believe at one point, she mentions having trained with a Native American and that even having a bit in his mouth was more than they normally rode with? I may be imagining that from an old VHS tape I have.

runwayz
Apr. 7, 2012, 01:20 AM
How does the bit stay in? Is the strap tight enough to hold it in the mouth?

Lynnwood
Apr. 7, 2012, 01:54 AM
I was going to say just like Susie Hutchinson and woodstock but people beat me to it! They were one of my favorite pairs to watch.

ETA: I believe at one point, she mentions having trained with a Native American and that even having a bit in his mouth was more than they normally rode with? I may be imagining that from an old VHS tape I have.

Jimmy Williams is the one that came up with the bit/contraption she rode Woodstock in.

I love when people go out of the box for the horse.

kmwines01
Apr. 7, 2012, 02:00 AM
Gotcha. I have an old video of the '96 olympics ( I think) where he came up land after one of the rounds (or qualifying rounds) and I remember crying so hard because he was such a great horse. Sorry if thats incorrect, it's been a number of years since I've had a VHS player to view the take on.

Hauwse
Apr. 7, 2012, 03:16 AM
Jimmy Williams is the one that came up with the bit/contraption she rode Woodstock in.

I love when people go out of the box for the horse.

I Think Jimmy Williams might have "adapted" a bit to the basic Native Indian War Bridle or Thong Bridle. As great a horseman as he was, I do not think even he would want to take credit for something he threw a bit on that had been used for a zillion years prior.

alterhorse
Apr. 7, 2012, 03:43 AM
I found a link (hope it works) to an old picture of an Indian bridle.

http://nmai.si.edu/exhibitions/horsenation/bridles.html#
http://nmai.si.edu/exhibitions/horsenation/images/section_04/P4166_lg.jpg

lachevaline
Apr. 7, 2012, 04:21 AM
Whoa! Well, color me surprised! That's... pretty cool, actually.

DarkStarrx
Apr. 7, 2012, 05:24 AM
It stays in via the chin strap. She switched him back to a flash bridle for the jump off. You could tell he wasn't as happy. She still owns him, but he isn't registered with the FEI this year so I don't know what he is up too. I love Luciana Diniz.

yellowbritches
Apr. 7, 2012, 06:49 AM
Yes! Thanks! Suzie Hutchinson and Jimmy Williams is exactly who I was thinking of! A very cool horse with cool connections.

ideayoda
Apr. 7, 2012, 07:17 AM
Didn't everyone have to ride without a headstall growing up??? It was a test of contact and keeping the horse up and open. IF the bit fell out of the mouth (no lipstrap used) then you continued with the bit as a neckstrap and learn how to keep a steady connection! More time spent on developing skills. Another 'good one' is riding with both reins on one side of the neck, interesting when turning into the side where both reins were held.

dropitlikeitshot
Apr. 7, 2012, 07:22 AM
Samsung Woodstock was my favourite jumper in his time :) I thought he was the bees knees with that bridle setup!

DarkStarrx
Apr. 7, 2012, 10:18 AM
Didn't everyone have to ride without a headstall growing up??? It was a test of contact and keeping the horse up and open. IF the bit fell out of the mouth (no lipstrap used) then you continued with the bit as a neckstrap and learn how to keep a steady connection! More time spent on developing skills. Another 'good one' is riding with both reins on one side of the neck, interesting when turning into the side where both reins were held.

I absolutely love the reins on the side of the neck. One of the best tricks ever to teach someone who is more heavy with one hand than the other.

Renn/aissance
Apr. 7, 2012, 10:30 AM
My trainer in md would challenge us to ride like that, just bit and reins, to practice having a soft, constant contact with the horses mouth. Of course, no where NEAR this level, but it was fun and challenging to do some 2'6 courses like this! Definitely takes a lot of skill to keep the bit in the mouth!

That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this and the reason I didn't look twice to see if it was shopped!

Piadosa
Apr. 7, 2012, 11:40 AM
I feel really stupid for asking, but I don't understand how the bit is staying in the mouth? Is the lip strap just leather or is it a chain? Is it a plain snaffle? Is it tight enough to bring the rings of the bit towards eachother, like, under the chin? In my mind how I am trying to picture it, it would have to be pretty tight to stay. It obvisouly works but I don't get it.

If the horse just decided to open his mouth, would it just fall out? Is it the riders skill keeping it there?

Very cool and very impressive, but I'm too slow to understand lol

Tha Ridge
Apr. 7, 2012, 04:49 PM
If the horse just decided to open his mouth, would it just fall out? Is it the riders skill keeping it there?


What do you mean? If the horse opens his mouth, the bit won't go anywhere. The only way it would go anywhere is if the rider dropped all contact (e.g., completely slack reins) and then the horse opened its mouth.

dangerbunny
Apr. 7, 2012, 05:09 PM
Very cool, love seeing creative solutions!

ideayoda
Apr. 7, 2012, 05:37 PM
When riding w/o a headstall the horse must take hh and stay up and open with a light tension. If the horse comes to vertical, or btv, or the rider drops contact then the bit will fall out (except in this case there is a taut chinstrap wedging it in). And when I had to do it, it was just too bad if the bit came out you rode with the bit as a neck strap and kept going.

D-RING
Apr. 7, 2012, 10:26 PM
I remember Jimmy riding, I think Kim Marconis Paper Tiger in an exhibition at the cow palace, with no bridle at all!! Amazing!!

SSacky
Apr. 8, 2012, 01:13 PM
That must be one skilled horse and rider pair.

Just a note of caution, please be careful trying this at home! Even the slightest bump in the contact could make the bit hit the teeth and cause discomfort. Also, the horse would likely open his mouth with that pain and result in an annoyed and unbridled horse. These are pros!

Tehzebra
Apr. 8, 2012, 03:10 PM
Huh! Never seen that before (or heard of those exercises!)But wow what a great pair! That seems like it would take a lot of trust in the horse to strip down to that amount of equipment-esp with jumps like that! Kudos to them!