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farmgirl598
Mar. 29, 2012, 04:55 PM
I came home yesterday, yet again, to TWO strange young girls in my driveway. They wanted to know if I would let them ride my horses. I suggested they contact a local riding stable, about a mile from where i live. The riding stable boards and teaches lessons, and I KNOW they want business. One young girl said "I don't need to LEARN, just RIDE"! I asked her if she had taken lessons before, and she stated "No, I don't NEED lessons." I have another aquaintance who wants to bring her 5 year old ADHD son over because he "needs something to do". I suggested the same lesson barn to her. She claims her 5 YEAR OLD does not need any lessons, because (and I quote): "He rides like a pro". Seems to me anyone who has ever been on a horse and stayed on for 5 minutes considers themselves a "pro"! I've explained to all these people that my liability insurance will not cover them, and it is a risk I am not willing to take, with my insurance, but espcially with my HORSES. But, of course, they argue that point, as they all seem to be natural born "Pros"......I'm posting the NC equine liability law sign in my driveay, along with 3-4 "Private Property.....No Trespassing" signs along the road front. The problem is, my farm is on a main highway, so every local passes by at one time or another. Thank goodness I am building my new barn ON THE BACK of the property. I HOPE it helps. Most of the trespassers we had years ago blatantly ignored our "Private Property, No Trespassing" signs, and came on up to the house anyway. One stranger was even caught red handed in my pasture with is toddler daughter! I need ideas on how to get people to leave me alone! I LOVE my privacy, and it is being disrespected constantly! Any advice?

SGray
Mar. 29, 2012, 04:57 PM
repeat after me "No" (you do not have to argue or justify yourself)

and perimeter fencing is a very good thing

MoonWitch
Mar. 29, 2012, 04:59 PM
I once heard a great reply - "you'd have a better chance sleeping with my husband"...

minnie
Mar. 29, 2012, 05:00 PM
12 volt electric fence!

HPFarmette
Mar. 29, 2012, 05:05 PM
You are too polite. You do not need to explain why they need to get off your property.

Schatzi09
Mar. 29, 2012, 05:06 PM
Perimeter fencing with strands of electric and lots of signs! I get the same thing at my place. Kids are always out playing on my property rather than their own. I'm now known as the mean horse lady! The minute they see me they scatter! They have their own 1 acre back yard to play in but would rather play in my sand arena. Several talks with the parents have yielded no results. Thankfully the one boy is deathly allergic to the horses so he does keep his distance from them - plus he's the oldest so he usually keeps the younger away from them too. I caught their dad trying to get the 2 boys to pee on the electric fence! He figured they wouldn't do it again! Some parents - sheesh!

Trevelyan96
Mar. 29, 2012, 06:44 PM
No tresspassing signs and electric wire are your friend. Be sure to post a sign that the fence is electric and can cause injury.

For people who ask to ride my horses, I simply thell them that if they have a death wish and are willing to sign a release of liability, I'll happily put them on the OTTB who keeps bucking me off to see if they can fix him. :cool:

All my neighbors know that I have 'crazy OTTB's', so they keep their kids far, far, away from my pastures and horses unless invited by me. I deliberately cultivate the misconception. In all honesty, Rico absolutely adores children, but I don't want them to know that. A few of the 'horse crazy' little girls in the neighborhood think that he's only good when I cross tie him and am in the barn to make him behave.

It also helps that the entire neighborhood was a witness when the ambulance had to pick me up out of the pasture after he kicked me.

farmgirl598
Mar. 29, 2012, 07:16 PM
All 7 acres have electric fencing, and white vinyl perimeter fence along the highway side. Our new barn should be done in another week or two, and I'm hoping having it at the BACK of the house will keep the horses at the BACK of the house, and therefore less noticeable to passersby. I guess I'm just sort of taken aback by some people's nerve!!!! AND, though I don't blame the children, I know for a fact that one of their fathers is BAD NEWS. Like, dangerous ex-con bad news. I just want no part of it. I HAVE let other people ride from time to time, but it's family and very close friends only.

Robin@DHH
Mar. 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
This worked for a lady who didn't like hunters trespassing.
She posted a sign saying "Private hunting $500/day". Guys
ignored it and she nabbed a couple and got the sheriff to
bring them in for theft of service. She also followed up
by sueing in small claims court. Collected her "fee" and
the guys bitched to all their friends who then stayed very
clear of her land.

Could you post a sign saying "Riding lessons, $200 per hour, no riding without lessons" or similar wording. You would have no intention of giving such lessons and could be "booked" if anyone actually wanted to take one, but it should get rid the the kids and "friends" who want to ride your horse.

Ghazzu
Mar. 29, 2012, 07:26 PM
I once heard a great reply - "you'd have a better chance sleeping with my husband"...

Do you know Trish, too? :D

farmgirl598
Mar. 29, 2012, 07:32 PM
Some great ideas here, guys!!! I hate to lose my cool over this, but maybe it would be best if i did. I'm really angry over people with no respect!

LauraKY
Mar. 29, 2012, 07:41 PM
I could loan you a couple of Thoroughbreds. They play very hard and scare the crap out of my neighbors. They're not really friendly to strangers either. I've warned everyone that they bite (they don't). The biggest, 17.1, is a complete pussycat.

Zu Zu
Mar. 29, 2012, 07:48 PM
Because of liability and the danger issue ....:eek::yes:

and after having explained til you are BLUE in the face ...

the police can help you with explaining to tresspassers ``` it's really part of their job.

Plus then the police are aware of the situation and that you are serious about NO TRESSPASSERS !

AND you have a paper trail ... if it is not documented it never happened !

It's best to make 'this' perfectly clear .... signs, verbally and law enforcement... really ! :yes:

susanne
Mar. 29, 2012, 08:04 PM
Schatzi09:
...They have their own 1 acre back yard to play in but would rather play in my sand arena.

Bwahaha...this is an easy one to fix. Tell the parents and everyone who will listen that you have problems with all the neighborhood cats using your sand as their kitty litter box.

farmgirl598
Mar. 29, 2012, 08:07 PM
Good one, susanne!!! I love it

Justa Bob
Mar. 29, 2012, 08:17 PM
Bwahaha...this is an easy one to fix. Tell the parents and everyone who will listen that you have problems with all the neighborhood cats using your sand as their kitty litter box.

Also sand fleas...or you could make up some thing. Like poisonous snakes and spiders you keep finding in the area. Brown recluse? Black widow? Chiggers?

Really sorry about the ambulance ride of one of the posters....but I couldn't help laughing about all the neighbors watching...

Finally, do not get mad. it's not worth the emotion and you are going to be getting these requests for as long as you have majikal horses.

Good luck!

Somermist
Mar. 29, 2012, 08:26 PM
Bwahaha...this is an easy one to fix. Tell the parents and everyone who will listen that you have problems with all the neighborhood cats using your sand as their kitty litter box.



:lol::lol:Perfect.

Miss J
Mar. 29, 2012, 08:44 PM
I feel for ya OP! I am on a main road as well and every dog walker and parent walking thier kids think that they can call my mare over and have pets or even go into my pasture! I posted custom signs: property protected by Smith & Wesson!

I just don't get it tho, I would never, ever go onto someone elses property to pet thier dog, or sit in thier fancy sports car, but why oh why is it ok to come onto my property and try to sit your toddler or kid on my non-ammy friendy horse!!???

And the whole 'my kids a pro and doesn't need lessons' thing.... Politely suggest to them to buy a pony.

When someone asks if they can ride my mare, I simply state that she is not a kids/ammy horse and they will be hurt. Badly.

Good luck op!! Make sure to update:)

farmgirl598
Mar. 29, 2012, 09:16 PM
When someone asks if they can ride my mare, I simply state that she is not a kids/ammy horse and they will be hurt. Badly.
this is great! my horses might resent me lying about them, but they'll thank me later, i'll bet!

Wayside
Mar. 29, 2012, 09:24 PM
When someone asks if they can ride my mare, I simply state that she is not a kids/ammy horse and they will be hurt. Badly.


I like to tell people how I purchased my mare for next to nothing after she broke her previous owner's back. And I honestly can't recall anyone ever asking to ride her :lol:

It's actually a true story, but they were a really bad match. I happen to think she's a really fun little mare, though she is honestly too hot and sensitive for your average ammy.

BeeHoney
Mar. 29, 2012, 09:28 PM
First of all, put a strand of hot-wire at the top of all of your fences/gates and put signs identifying it as such. It has been my experience that most people are very fearful of electric fence.

Here are some things that I have said to people in the past:

"Wow, I'm really uncomfortable with what you are asking. My horses are completely unsuitable for that and I don't teach lessons or have insurance for that. I'm sorry, it just isn't possible."

"Wow, I'm really uncomfortable with you coming onto my farm uninvited. This is my home. How would you feel if you came home to find someone you didn't know hanging out in your yard? Plus, I'm concerned about your safety. Horses are dangerous animals."

Did I mention hot-wire?

Miss J
Mar. 29, 2012, 09:53 PM
Oh beehoney well put!! :) sometimes I have an inability to be so diplomatic!!

(ask my nieghbor who's dogs have been on my property numerous times, and have been told just as many times... one more time and you will be having to to take them home in several separate pieces).

Yay to roaming dogs!

fatorangehorse
Mar. 29, 2012, 10:20 PM
I once heard a great reply - "you'd have a better chance sleeping with my husband"...

and have to say, for me, it is true - which sounds bad on my husband - it isn't, but no one is getting on my horses.

fatorangehorse
Mar. 29, 2012, 10:22 PM
Can't hurt. I have known folks to go so far as to putting a huge chain and large beat up bowl that looks like it is for Sasquatch.

mzm farm
Mar. 29, 2012, 10:49 PM
I take this seriously - children would be returned via police escort if their parents are so irresponsible as to "loose them".

My shooting practice routinely takes place in the "front yard", and the targets can be left out there for a few extra days as "evidence" of "NO TRESPASSING. TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT" (use your own imagination/judgement were ).

Thanks my lucky stars the worst we had so far is people oogling animals from the road and are blessed with wonderful neighbors.

Good luck to OP.

Love the idea of $200/lesson and suing for "theft of service". Genius!

Jaideux
Mar. 29, 2012, 11:14 PM
It won't thwart a determined idiot who wants to trespass but my mom is a big fan of planting this certain kind of bush that grows tall (quickly!) and is NOT pleasant to walk through.

You could use it for double duty- a visual block to your set up, and a physical deterrent. It won't stop people from walking up your driveway buuuuut...

farmgirl598
Mar. 30, 2012, 09:17 AM
All fantastic ideas, you guys! Thanks! I found what appears to be a burn on my gelding's chest last evening. IT WAS NOT there yesterday morning. (I feed them and check them over twice daily). I AM HOPING he just got into something on his own, and I am being paranoid. (Though I have NO IDEA what he could have gotten into...) The other 3 horses appear just fine. I WISH people would have a little more respect! I DO have a large dog, but he is not mean.....I suppose a BEWARE OF DOG sign might be a little extra insurance, along with the No Trespassing signs.

oliverreed
Mar. 30, 2012, 09:22 AM
This really stinks. How about a large guard dog? Whho is free to roam the premises?

LauraKY
Mar. 30, 2012, 09:38 AM
You do want to be careful of Beware of Dog signs. If your dog ever did bite someone, you could be held liable for knowingly owning a dangerous dog.

Driveway gates and electric. Letters mailed to neighbors saying that you're very sorry, but your insurance company has notified you that you will not be covered for anyone hurt on your property who is not accompanied by a property owner. And that to protect yourself, you will have to prosecute anyone (child or adult) if they continue to trespass. Then do it.

JanM
Mar. 30, 2012, 10:56 AM
LauraKY is exactly right about the "Beware of Dog" signs being an admission of guilt. But I've been informed that's only in some jurisdictions, so check with your attorney and/or insurance agent about your local laws and statutes on signage, and distance between signs for No Trespassing or Posted notices to be enforceable. And don't forget the Equine Liability signs you can post in some states also.

And for people who send their kids over, I tell the kid to go home, and tell the parents I don't babysit and to watch their own kids. Yes, I'm the neighborhood cranky person, but I don't have to explain abandoned, hurt kids to the cops and insurance people or lawyers either.

SGray
Mar. 30, 2012, 11:08 AM
babysitting fee
petting zoo entry fee
lesson fee
trail riding fee
hunting fee
nature walk fee
animal husbandry instruction fee

trubandloki
Mar. 30, 2012, 11:11 AM
Driveway gates and electric. Letters mailed to neighbors saying that you're very sorry, but your insurance company has notified you that you will not be covered for anyone hurt on your property who is not accompanied by a property owner. And that to protect yourself, you will have to prosecute anyone (child or adult) if they continue to trespass. Then do it.
I like this for sure.

The most important part is following thru with it.

Calamber
Mar. 30, 2012, 12:42 PM
I like this for sure.

The most important part is following thru with it.

No letters, gates (locked) and signs reading "trespassers will be prosecuted", and do it.

susanne
Mar. 30, 2012, 03:56 PM
On the LGD forums, they recommend that your signs read: Guard Dog on Duty.

However, I'd still run it past your attorney.

farmgirl598
Mar. 30, 2012, 09:19 PM
Letters mailed to neighbors saying that you're very sorry, but your insurance company has notified you that you will not be covered for anyone hurt on your property who is not accompanied by a property owner

This is the really aggravating part. I don't have any neighbors. These jerks are pulling into my driveway from a 4 lane highway.....uninvited! I have no trespassing signs up now, and a NC specific equine liability sign on the way. I hope people pay attention, but i have my doubts.

Horsegal984
Mar. 30, 2012, 10:17 PM
Yeah, I would go with either "Guard Dog on Duty" or our sign just says "Beware: Cattle Dogs in Charge!" (on the loose also works too!)

In most areas of NC having a beware of dog sign can get you into some hot water if anything ever did happen, OR if a neighbor just decided to say it did. A Guard Dog on Duty sign you could easily argue means that your dogs alarm bark and will chase off strange dogs/coyotes.......

BeeHoney
Mar. 30, 2012, 11:20 PM
Well, if the folks coming in your driveway are random folks driving by, you need a gate across your driveway. Preferentially an automatic gate that requires an entry code. You will be thankful for it every day. Then, of course, the hot-wire and the signs along the front fence. And if you feel like it, some fast growing shrubs/trees by the road that block the view of your place as people are coming down the road to reduce the temptation.

nashfad
Mar. 31, 2012, 02:12 AM
I would have a sign printed up that says "This is not a facility open to the public. Anyone caught trespassing will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law". Also put up guard dog signs. And just say no if anyone does stop. You have my sympathy. Even though I give lessons and board, I do not have a sign on the street to ward off those that might just drop in

nashfad
Mar. 31, 2012, 02:14 AM
I would have a sign printed up that says "This is not a facility open to the public. Anyone caught trespassing will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law". Also put up guard dog signs (you don't have to have a dog) and electronically monitored premises signs (you do not have to have cameras) And just say no if anyone does stop. You have my sympathy. Even though I give lessons and board, I do not have a sign on the street to ward off those that might just drop in

trubandloki
Mar. 31, 2012, 07:15 AM
It might be worth contacting a lawyer to find out what the proper wording for a sign that says what Nashfad is saying.

I am guessing your visitors assume the No Trespassing signs are for hunters, not them, they are just coming to see the cute horses.

You need a sign that is clear to someone who thinks they are the exception that it does too apply to them.

CVPeg
Mar. 31, 2012, 08:05 AM
This worked for a lady who didn't like hunters trespassing.
She posted a sign saying "Private hunting $500/day". Guys
ignored it and she nabbed a couple and got the sheriff to
bring them in for theft of service. She also followed up
by sueing in small claims court. Collected her "fee" and
the guys bitched to all their friends who then stayed very
clear of her land.

Could you post a sign saying "Riding lessons, $200 per hour, no riding without lessons" or similar wording. You would have no intention of giving such lessons and could be "booked" if anyone actually wanted to take one, but it should get rid the the kids and "friends" who want to ride your horse.

This is great - think I'll use it this fall at my place!

But seriously, I agree with those above, that in conversation, just say "no". I think the more you go on with an explanation, the more you open yourself to argument. No need to justify yourself.

Plus having a simple sign posted saying "Private stable. No lessons or boarding." or something similar should get the point across.

trubandloki
Mar. 31, 2012, 08:29 AM
Plus having a simple sign posted saying "Private stable. No lessons or boarding." or something similar should get the point across.
Not when the people clearly feel that they do not need lessons and they for sure are not boarding.

MoonWitch
Mar. 31, 2012, 08:46 AM
What's wrong with the good old "PRIVATE PROPERTY - KEEP OUT!!!" sign?

farmgirl598
Mar. 31, 2012, 09:21 AM
What's wrong with the good old "PRIVATE PROPERTY - KEEP OUT!!!" sign?


got one now. had several before. people just ignore them. I guess that's when I need to be the "mean lady" and just tell them to leave.

MoonWitch
Mar. 31, 2012, 10:22 AM
Unfortunately, I think this is just the mindset of many being raised in the era of entitlement. As a youngster, I would NEVER have gone on someone's property without permission, but now, not only do they come on your property; they're ballsy enough to flat out ask to ride your horse!

ManyDogs
Mar. 31, 2012, 10:30 AM
"Can I ride your horse?"

"Sure! I'll just borrow your cell phone and your credit cars for an hour or so!"

"Oh, hi, while you're in My field with My horse, I'm going to put my dogs in your living room, M'kay??"

ESG
Mar. 31, 2012, 11:42 AM
At our last home/facility, I forever had people coming to the front door for this and that, despite the fact that the streets in and out of our neighborhood clearly stated "NO SOLICITING" in big letters. Didn't stop the sales people (omaha steaks, wonder window cleaner, etc.), small business "owners" ("Looks like your roof needs painting/trees need trimming/driveway needs repaving"), and "missionaries" from various and sundry churches (the most evil of the lot). I got so sick of it that I put a sign in the window next to my front door:

No salesmen
No services
No missionaries
No kidding

Kept away everyone but the missionaries, who never seemed to have an answer when I asked them why their efforts seemed to be confined to upper-middle class areas. Surely folks in other parts of the city needed spiritual guidance?

:rolleyes:

Purple tops on the fences (if you're a purple top state, which we are), electric wire, MANY "No Trespassing - Violators Will Be Prosecuted" signs, and a stout gate with a padlock are the best tools. I don't want my dogs injured or killed if they rush the fence and some asshat takes the "beware of dog" sign too seriously and shoots them.

JMO.:cool:

hipy
Mar. 31, 2012, 01:26 PM
Curious, what's a "purple top" on a fence?

GotGait
Mar. 31, 2012, 03:49 PM
Hot wire with an emphasis on HOT. No trespassing signs, and one of those "My dog can make it to the gate before you can!" signs with a snarling Doberman on it. You don't actually have to have a dog.
If you catch the people, ask them for their address because you'd like to stop by sometime when they're not home to root around their yard. Maybe take their tractor for a joyride, help yourself to some chicken eggs if they have a coop, you know...
Also ask 'em to leave a key under the mat since the good stuff is probably inside.

The sheer number of inconsiderate people I have run into lately really makes me seethe. My husband had a run in with a MY DOG IS FRIENDLY type today. Of course it wasn't nor was it on a leash. :(

asb_own_me
Mar. 31, 2012, 05:52 PM
I'm amazed at the nerve of these people.

That's really all I have to add. I don't have any advice past what's been shared. Just in complete awe of the lack of respect for others and immense sense of entitlement these folks must feel to come waltzing onto your property like they do.

Bacardi1
Mar. 31, 2012, 05:57 PM
While many of these "ideas" are amusing, I suggest you continue to act like an adult.

Contact an attorney to find out how explicit you can be with your signage & property protection while remaining within the law, & follow his/her instructions.

TheJenners
Mar. 31, 2012, 06:29 PM
And call the cops. Why is that so hard?

Bacardi1
Mar. 31, 2012, 06:43 PM
Well, I'm not so sure I'd call the cops on a few trespassing girls unless they were actually in my fields or in my barn, but again - it's money well spent to have a local attorney give you legal guidelines for your locality & follow them.

Those supposedly "amusing" signs of "my dogs can run faster than you", can come back to bite YOU in the ass, rather than your trespassers. Such signs are meant to generate income for the sign company - they don't give a sh*t about you, & aren't liable if such signs are used illegally. Finding out whether or not they're legal is up to YOU.

LauraKY
Mar. 31, 2012, 06:52 PM
Kept away everyone but the missionaries, who never seemed to have an answer when I asked them why their efforts seemed to be confined to upper-middle class areas. Surely folks in other parts of the city needed spiritual guidance?

:rolleyes:



Two guaranteed ways to keep the missionaries away. Borrow my dogs or, failing that, say "I'm really busy right now, I'm out back sacrificing a goat to the goddess." Usually works. I vote for the dogs.

headsupheelsdown
Mar. 31, 2012, 06:54 PM
Curious, what's a "purple top" on a fence?

Here is one thread explaining... if you search "purple paint" you will find more...

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318930&highlight=purple+paint

CVPeg
Mar. 31, 2012, 07:24 PM
Two guaranteed ways to keep the missionaries away. Borrow my dogs or, failing that, say "I'm really busy right now, I'm out back sacrificing a goat to the goddess." Usually works. I vote for the dogs.

The fastest I did see someone go back down my driveway, was when I told them I wasn't interested in their pamphlets since I was a devil worshiper. Actually, kind of surprised they weren't more insistent.

And they should know better as they're always dressed up so nicely. No one with any business around here wears anything better than jeans & flannel. ;)

GotGait
Mar. 31, 2012, 10:00 PM
Well, I'm not so sure I'd call the cops on a few trespassing girls unless they were actually in my fields or in my barn, but again - it's money well spent to have a local attorney give you legal guidelines for your locality & follow them.

Those supposedly "amusing" signs of "my dogs can run faster than you", can come back to bite YOU in the ass, rather than your trespassers. Such signs are meant to generate income for the sign company - they don't give a sh*t about you, & aren't liable if such signs are used illegally. Finding out whether or not they're legal is up to YOU.

I'm not sure I'm understanding how the sign can hurt her if she doesn't even have a dog and they are trespassing. It's a warning for people thinking about coming onto the property.
I have a "welcome" sign with a smiling Shiba Inu on it. It's actually meant for any would be criminal to let him know that there is a dog in the house and he should just mosey on down to an easier house.
It's just a welcome sign to friends and family. :cool:
I also have a "Firefighters please save my dog" sticker that I feel serves a dual purpose - again for anyone thinking about breaking into my house. (I live in a nice neighborhood that unfortunately has a fair number of incidents.)

Another example is like having an ADT sign when you don't really have ADT.

I have neighbors that do have one of those dog signs on their fence and a nice dog that sometimes fear bites. I warned them about liability issues and they chose to take it down.

red mares
Mar. 31, 2012, 10:02 PM
Here's a guide for not being nice to trespassers:

Can I ride your horse?

No, leave my property, you're trespassing.

Oh, well you could be nicer about it!

I've been up since 0430, I ran out of nice a long time ago. Get off my property or I will call the police.:)

It worked with my neighbors who thought it was better to have their noisy kids running around outside at midnight under my windows, instead of in their own home. I get cranky when I don't get my beauty sleep.

ESG
Mar. 31, 2012, 11:50 PM
Two guaranteed ways to keep the missionaries away. Borrow my dogs or, failing that, say "I'm really busy right now, I'm out back sacrificing a goat to the goddess." Usually works. I vote for the dogs.

Nah, that doesn't work here. I tried the "I'm a pagan sun worshiper and you're in my light" thing, and that didn't fly. Even "this is a Jewish household and you're not welcome here" garnered no more than a raised eyebrow and further Jehova's Witness tracts being forced on me. :rolleyes:

Why others make windows into my soul is beyond me. Why they think it's their business is even further beyond me. :no:

Epona142
Apr. 1, 2012, 01:29 AM
Yeah so...I happened to see some missionaries OPENING MY GATE and heading towards the door, so I grabbed up one of my bottle baby goats, tucked her under my arm, and answered the door, "You here for the sacrifice?"

They gave me pamphlets anyways? =/

Halt Near X
Apr. 1, 2012, 04:26 AM
Could you post a sign saying "Riding lessons, $200 per hour, no riding without lessons" or similar wording.

Not a good idea for anyone wanting to maintain amateur status with USEF. Just saying.

Personally, I'd just send all the wandering kids home with a stray kitten or two. That should encourage the parents to keep their kids away from the property.

Tapperjockey
Apr. 1, 2012, 04:59 AM
Two guaranteed ways to keep the missionaries away. Borrow my dogs or, failing that, say "I'm really busy right now, I'm out back sacrificing a goat to the goddess." Usually works. I vote for the dogs.

Stripping down and answering the door nude and asking if they are there for the Fertility rituals works sometimes :)

Jexa
Apr. 1, 2012, 09:46 AM
Stripping down and answering the door nude and asking if they are there for the Fertility rituals works sometimes :)

Love it!

And OP I completely feel your pain. I board with about 6 other people at our stables on base. Maybe because other base stables rent horses for trail rides, maybe because people are stupid, every weekend several people wander in to pet the pretty ponies, oh, and to feed my horse a Clif bar (really??)...despite the numerous signs saying DO NOT ENTER without club member's permission.

My favorite is when they get offended when you tell them to leave. Seriously?! As someone said earlier I dont waltz into your back yard and play with your dog, and then get offended when you're pissed! Just yesterday I politely told some high school kids to get lost when they came sauntering in as I untacked. One claimed "my dad and I do this all the time". I about ripped my hair out.

Its so frustrating because, like you, it's always different people. Getting a reputation as the "mean horse lady" doesn't do a bit of good when each trespasser is new. Adding new signs is tricky for us, since even replacing a doorknob in a government building requires a 3 month, 3 million dollar study. The only thing we've found that helps is taking the extra 30 seconds to close the gate coming in and out. People are amazingly stupid, but most won't leave their car on the road where the police patrol or crawl through the gate. It's like they think they can play stupid and drive up when the gate is open, but crawling through the gate is an admission that they're doing something they shouldn't. Hard to claim you thought it was ok to crawl through someones gate.

It can be a pain, but putting up and locking a gate with a huge no trespassing sign, maybe one that says you'll prosecute, maybe one that says you have cameras (you can put up dummy ones cheaply) will at least deter all but the most brazen. For those, call the cops.

Good luck. I know how frustrating it is!

BarbB
Apr. 1, 2012, 10:05 AM
Personally, I'd just send all the wandering kids home with a stray kitten or two. That should encourage the parents to keep their kids away from the property.

I love this! Many years ago I had some racing pigeons... and a neighbor kid who would shoot them as they circled the loft.
I caught him one day and marched him around while I picked up a beautiful dead bird, made him help me feed the rest and lectured him like a madwoman about shooting in a residential area. I also sent him home with a box with a pair of pigeons in it. I figured his folks would have a fit but all they had to do was turn the birds loose and they would come home.
Months later he and his father came over to thank me and tell me they had joined one of the local clubs. His father also told me the kid had not been in any trouble since he got the birds. 10 years later I drove by the neighborhood and saw that their pigeon racing experiment had turned into urban sprawl in their backyard!
Today I would probably go to jail for kidnapping for forcing the kid to do chores, but not back then. And all the vandalism and shooting stopped.
Kids who are trespassing and trying to get attention from strange adults sometimes just need something to do.
(not riding your horses or sightseeing on your property!)
:lol::lol:

JanM
Apr. 1, 2012, 10:17 AM
Epona-That's hysterical! I just hope the goat didn't hold it against you when she grew up.

The new subdivision I live in has "No Soliciting" signs everywhere, and you can't even unload groceries without some jerk from ADT bugging you. I suggest they go visit the neighbor across from me next about security systems-his mail box is a giant shotgun shell, and he regularly test fires his large array of weapons out back (his place backs onto uninhabited land)-unfortunately, he usually is out back shooting about the time I point them his way, and they decline to bother him for some reason.

carolprudm
Apr. 1, 2012, 11:48 AM
The fastest I did see someone go back down my driveway, was when I told them I wasn't interested in their pamphlets since I was a devil worshiper. Actually, kind of surprised they weren't more insistent.

And they should know better as they're always dressed up so nicely. No one with any business around here wears anything better than jeans & flannel. ;)

LOL, I had some missionaries ask me if I was worried about a nuclear holocaust since the bible said the world would end y fire. I said no, not really since Mr P was a nuclear engineer and at that time worked with the group that designed built and maintained the nuclear powered ships(Naval Reactors).

They bolted down the driveway as if the property was radioactive

Epona142
Apr. 1, 2012, 04:11 PM
She doesn't seem to mind...she got a bottle afterward, so all was right with the world.

Said missionaries have not been back since though, so I guess that's good.

JanM
Apr. 1, 2012, 05:50 PM
Epona-I hope you raised her to head-butt on command. Attack goat on Duty-would be a cool sign to post.

pj
Apr. 1, 2012, 06:16 PM
Epona-I hope you raised her to head-butt on command. Attack goat on Duty-would be a cool sign to post.

My vet has an attack goat! For real. She spends the summer in the lounge chair by the pool and any strangers who try to invade her territory is in deep trouble.

farmgirl598
Apr. 5, 2012, 11:57 AM
And call the cops. Why is that so hard?

The police in our neighborhood are a JOKE! We even have murders that have remained "unsolved"....but everyone knows who committed them, The cops here are on an eternal doughnut break.....unless you are an innocent person trying to defend yourself or a loved one. Then, they will arrest YOU! They are useless...."Nuff Said....

I too, cannot fathom the "sense of entitlement" issues people have today. A few years ago, we had a guy that came up to the house. He was a total stranger, and pulled his truck over beside the house....RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SEPTIC TANK, and sat out there blowing his horn, waiting for US to come see what HE wanted! DH told him he hoped his nice new pickup wound up sitting in SH**, since he was on top of our septic system, and that HE would PAY for a new one should that happen. DH also told the guy he was trespassing, we did not know him, and who did he think he was???? He never came back. Had another guy pull into the back yard, just inches from my back door (he had to drive across the lawn to do this!) and honked his horn for about 15 minutes while I sat inside trying to ignore him. I finally lost my temper, and stormed out the back door. "WHAT do you WANT", I said. He claimed to be there trying to sell us life insurance. I promptly yelled at him that I hoped HIS LIFE INSURANCE was PAID UP because he was about to need it! Never saw him again either. Mostly it is trespassers wanting us to GIVE them something we have that they've seen from the road, or wanting to ride the horses or sell us something. It's really getting OLD! No trespassing signs are usually ignored.

oldpony66
Apr. 5, 2012, 12:05 PM
I love this! Many years ago I had some racing pigeons... and a neighbor kid who would shoot them as they circled the loft.
I caught him one day and marched him around while I picked up a beautiful dead bird, made him help me feed the rest and lectured him like a madwoman about shooting in a residential area. I also sent him home with a box with a pair of pigeons in it. I figured his folks would have a fit but all they had to do was turn the birds loose and they would come home.
Months later he and his father came over to thank me and tell me they had joined one of the local clubs. His father also told me the kid had not been in any trouble since he got the birds. 10 years later I drove by the neighborhood and saw that their pigeon racing experiment had turned into urban sprawl in their backyard!
Today I would probably go to jail for kidnapping for forcing the kid to do chores, but not back then. And all the vandalism and shooting stopped.
Kids who are trespassing and trying to get attention from strange adults sometimes just need something to do.
(not riding your horses or sightseeing on your property!)
:lol::lol:

Barb, that is a great story! For all the talk about neighborhood programs, mentors, and how to 'save' the troubled kids you actually stepped forward and "gave back" to that one child, if just for a minute. I think that's awesome. You did the opposite of expectations and showed him a better outlet for his energy. Not saying everyone should give pony rides to all the kids in the neighborhood, but what you did obviously worked for that kid.

ReSomething
Apr. 5, 2012, 12:24 PM
. . . A few years ago, we had a guy that came up to the house. He was a total stranger, and pulled his truck over beside the house....RIGHT ON TOP OF THE SEPTIC TANK, and sat out there blowing his horn, waiting for US to come see what HE wanted! DH told him he hoped his nice new pickup wound up sitting in SH**, since he was on top of our septic system, and that HE would PAY for a new one should that happen. DH also told the guy he was trespassing, we did not know him, and who did he think he was???? He never came back. Had another guy pull into the back yard, just inches from my back door (he had to drive across the lawn to do this!) and honked his horn for about 15 minutes while I sat inside trying to ignore him. I finally lost my temper, and stormed out the back door. "WHAT do you WANT", I said. He claimed to be there trying to sell us life insurance. I promptly yelled at him that I hoped HIS LIFE INSURANCE was PAID UP because he was about to need it! Never saw him again either. Mostly it is trespassers wanting us to GIVE them something we have that they've seen from the road, or wanting to ride the horses or sell us something. It's really getting OLD! No trespassing signs are usually ignored.

Around here that's SOP, and considered polite. You pull up, stay in your car on the driveway, sound the horn and avoid having the dog eat you or one of us shoot you because you are prowling the farm.

Do you have a gate? Sometimes they help quite a bit.

ETA, sometimes. The day the Omaha steak guy came by and first we showed him the hogs and then as he was talking steaks a cow lowed across the hill - well, there's the beef over there, he did leave but it took looking really really puzzled and blank and lying through my teeth (because it wasn't my cow). I can understand how visitors can get on your last nerve pretty quick.

farmgirl598
Apr. 5, 2012, 03:03 PM
Around here that's SOP, and considered polite. You pull up, stay in your car on the driveway, sound the horn and avoid having the dog eat you or one of us shoot you because you are prowling the farm.


I am in the South too, but IMHO, this is FAR from POLITE! Just sayin.....

trubandloki
Apr. 5, 2012, 03:10 PM
I guess I would be willing to stretch it and say that honking your horn once (on the pretense that getting out and wandering is rude, not that I agree with horn honking as being polite) would be OK. But no way is sitting there and honking over and over and over even close to polite.
If the home owner does not appear after your first honk they clearly could care less that you are in the driveway wanting to talk to them. That means it is time to leave.

bird4416
Apr. 5, 2012, 07:32 PM
You need a sign that reads
"No Trespassing, Survivors will be Prosecuted"
When I was a kid there was a property near me that said that and we were terrified to go near that place.

farmgirl598
Apr. 5, 2012, 07:37 PM
Love it, Bird! gonna look for one asap!

ReSomething
Apr. 5, 2012, 07:37 PM
Yeah, leaning on the horn or driving over the grass and the septic tank is a BIT much.
Being that I'm old going outside in mules, a do rag and a ratty bathrobe is useful - I'm waiting for when my front teeth fall out and I can get a partial plate to flip up and down at them (truly oogy to see), but that might take a while if my dentist as good as I hope he is.

Alagirl
Apr. 5, 2012, 08:19 PM
There is always "Never mind the dog: Beware of owner"

LauraKY
Apr. 5, 2012, 08:20 PM
A couple of years ago, an ADT salesman (or so he said) knocked on the door. I laughed and said, if you can get by my four dogs and out the back door without my permission, I'll buy the most expensive system you have. He declined. Have I mentioned I love my dogs?

farmgirl598
Apr. 5, 2012, 09:14 PM
Dogs are the best protection there is! My dog is a fantastic watchdog. But he lives indoors. got some new metal keep out/no trespassing signs on the way now. hope people don't ignore them this time. I'd love a gate at the end of the driveway, but it's just not practical. contractors, mail delivery, heating fuel fillups, etc coming in alot.

PolestarFarm
Apr. 5, 2012, 09:47 PM
We have a small area on our private property that provides public access to the river - you can imagine the headaches on a summers day! I often find uninvited guests parking there and going about illegal activity. When someone is doing something that we dont approve of, I politely talk to them about it while taking photos of their license plate and noting their names in my phone notebook. I dont have to be evil to their faces, but they know with certainty that I am on to them. When the cops come around to check as they do once in a while, I have no problem passing out the suspicious license plate numbers to them.
I think that when someone knows you have their license plate, yet you have been nothing but polite to them... they tend to get scarce, quick.

Gnalli
Apr. 6, 2012, 12:02 AM
I am in the South too, but IMHO, this is FAR from POLITE! Just sayin.....

Oh yeah. Around here, honking a horn on purpose will get you hurt, physically or verbally. Usually, we ignore the honker, that means we won't even look out the window, or one of us walks out with a gun handy. We don't play that around here. We have too much nonsense on this hill to play. If someone does not have the courtesy to get out of their vehicle and come to our door, their had better be blood and gore or serious illness involved if we do poke our heads out.If it is akid coming to see one of my girls-they get a fanny chewing the likes of which they probably have never had before or they wouldn't be blowing a horn in the first place.

ACP
Apr. 6, 2012, 02:22 AM
I am downright rude to anyone who is a missionary. I snarl, "Go away. Do not come back." Why on earth would anyone feel they ought to be nice to such people?

Event4Life
Apr. 6, 2012, 04:08 AM
When you get your liability sign make sure it is as obnoxious looking as possible and very clearly at the front of the barn.

Fake surveillance cameras (or real ones, but I have no idea how much they'd be!) placed where they can't be missed and a sign saying "area under surveillance" should help too. These will probably help reinforce the no trespassing signs too.

Also be sure to post signs on the horse pasture fence boards saying something like "do not feed these animals - they bite!" (even if it's a lie, do it anyway!). That will probably help most with the kids.

asb_own_me
Apr. 6, 2012, 10:01 AM
A couple of years ago, an ADT salesman (or so he said) knocked on the door. I laughed and said, if you can get by my four dogs and out the back door without my permission, I'll buy the most expensive system you have. He declined. Have I mentioned I love my dogs?

That's fantastic. I'm going to have to borrow that one. With my four Dobermans grinning through the screen door at the salesman :D

ReSomething
Apr. 6, 2012, 10:11 AM
Gee Gnalli - I guess it's how the place is set up then. We're usually outside in the shop or the back and wouldn't even see someone going to the front door, or notice the vehicle, so a honk gets our attention so we can deal with the visitor. A holler works too.

Maybe when I get rich I'll put in a driveway alarm to go with my fancy gate, LOL.

Epona142
Apr. 6, 2012, 01:23 PM
Good lord..

Yesterday I glance out my back window to see like, TEN kids, the kind with two legs, in my BACKYARD molesting my goats!

I came outside and was like, "What are you doing in here?"

"Playing with the goats."

"Do you have PERMISSION??"

"Nope."

"That's trespassing, you could get into a lot of trouble for that!"

They scattered and I followed em home - turned out my electric fence had a line down so they were squeezing through without getting nailed.

I had a little talk with the parents, who are our new neighbors, then hubby and I fixed the fence. Let's see em squeeze through now - my charger is a 50mile on 1/2 mile of fencing, maybe a mile. I forget now. Takes a lot of charge to keep goats in.

Good way to meet the new neighbors though.

Alagirl
Apr. 6, 2012, 02:13 PM
Good lord..

Yesterday I glance out my back window to see like, TEN kids, the kind with two legs, in my BACKYARD molesting my goats!

I came outside and was like, "What are you doing in here?"

"Playing with the goats."

"Do you have PERMISSION??"

"Nope."

"That's trespassing, you could get into a lot of trouble for that!"

They scattered and I followed em home - turned out my electric fence had a line down so they were squeezing through without getting nailed.

I had a little talk with the parents, who are our new neighbors, then hubby and I fixed the fence. Let's see em squeeze through now - my charger is a 50mile on 1/2 mile of fencing, maybe a mile. I forget now. Takes a lot of charge to keep goats in.

Good way to meet the new neighbors though.

:D
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Ah, goody! You should hear them should they return! :yes:

Tapperjockey
Apr. 6, 2012, 02:21 PM
Good lord..

Yesterday I glance out my back window to see like, TEN kids, the kind with two legs, in my BACKYARD molesting my goats!

I came outside and was like, "What are you doing in here?"

"Playing with the goats."

"Do you have PERMISSION??"

"Nope."

"That's trespassing, you could get into a lot of trouble for that!"

They scattered and I followed em home - turned out my electric fence had a line down so they were squeezing through without getting nailed.

I had a little talk with the parents, who are our new neighbors, then hubby and I fixed the fence. Let's see em squeeze through now - my charger is a 50mile on 1/2 mile of fencing, maybe a mile. I forget now. Takes a lot of charge to keep goats in.

Good way to meet the new neighbors though.

Shock therapy for repeat trespassers? lol

Jaegermonster
Apr. 6, 2012, 02:31 PM
I have about 10 good sized dogs on my place at any given time and my husband and I are both police officers so we dont have much problems with this sort of thing. We also have perimeter fencing and keep the gates locked.

BUt we do have a sign that reads "Dog on premises". I figure if someone is thinking about taking their chances they can interpret it however they want to ;)

TheJenners
Apr. 6, 2012, 04:30 PM
Do either of you have take-home cars? We don't, but I live in my jurisdiction, so I come home for my seven. Nothing like a cop car in the driveway* to keep trespassers away.

*caveat: only if you live in a nicer neighborhood...otherwise it's a great way to get egged or worse ;)

kathy s.
Apr. 6, 2012, 06:28 PM
We live out in the country and a family moved into the home next to ours. They had a young boy that felt entitled to enter peoples homes unannounced,uninvited, at 7 on a w/e morning. We have a perimeter fence so he didn't pull that with us, thank God.
Anyway, I was worried he would crawl through our fence to pet the horses so I called my insurance company and the local police department to discuss our options. Both entities said that a fence serves as a No Trespassing sign but to also post NT signs along the fence as well. And since horses are considered an attractive nuisance, similar to a pool, you can still get sued if the kid gets hurt on your property.
So, like many others here, I became known as the mean horse lady. I hate that b/c I love introducing youngsters to horses but the boys parents refused to control him so I did what I had to do.

BTW, I love some of the suggestions here :-)

Mah Navu
Apr. 7, 2012, 09:34 AM
ummm.....i am out of the legal loop, as usual, but are you all saying that if a property is posted with no trespassing signs and someone wanders onto your property and gets hurt, or bit by your horse, THEY can sue YOU????

For real?

That doesn't quite make sense to me....after all, the law was broken by them trespassing so how can they then use the law they broke against YOU??????

same with the beware of dog sign.....almost ALL dogs will bite if someone intrudes on their territory...it's the nature of the beast. How then can YOU get sued if someone comes onto your property, ILLEGALLY, and fido takes a bite out of them?

dogs will be dogs....alot of them are very protective and territorial......that's why people find them so useful as guards....as opposed to a cockatiel.

ETA: we board on a small private farm, posted signs running the entire area....luckily, no one has trespassed to play with the horses. Then again, they few houses nearby are inhabited by adults....though i sometimes wonder if that is any better.....

sometimes if Beau is playing or having a fit, cars will pull over to watch, but no one has approached....perhaps because he is usually kicking or rearing at those times. lol We did have one neighbor woman stop and ask the property owner if her and her two kids could see the horses once.... the property owner said yes, because we were there but that when we were not there she would have to say no.

Still, even so, i just never realized how big of a liability risk it is to the property owner to even allow us to have the horses on their property....

Long Spot
Apr. 7, 2012, 01:13 PM
sometimes if Beau is playing or having a fit, cars will pull over to watch, but no one has approached....perhaps because he is usually kicking or rearing at those times. lol

Things haven't improved, eh?

I'm saddened to see you find that lol worthy.

carolprudm
Apr. 7, 2012, 01:34 PM
ummm.....i am out of the legal loop, as usual, but are you all saying that if a property is posted with no trespassing signs and someone wanders onto your property and gets hurt, or bit by your horse, THEY can sue YOU????

For real?

That doesn't quite make sense to me....after all, the law was broken by them trespassing so how can they then use the law they broke against YOU??????

same with the beware of dog sign.....almost ALL dogs will bite if someone intrudes on their territory...it's the nature of the beast. How then can YOU get sued if someone comes onto your property, ILLEGALLY, and fido takes a bite out of them?

dogs will be dogs....alot of them are very protective and territorial......that's why people find them so useful as guards....as opposed to a cockatiel.

ETA: we board on a small private farm, posted signs running the entire area....luckily, no one has trespassed to play with the horses. Then again, they few houses nearby are inhabited by adults....though i sometimes wonder if that is any better.....

sometimes if Beau is playing or having a fit, cars will pull over to watch, but no one has approached....perhaps because he is usually kicking or rearing at those times. lol We did have one neighbor woman stop and ask the property owner if her and her two kids could see the horses once.... the property owner said yes, because we were there but that when we were not there she would have to say no.

Still, even so, i just never realized how big of a liability risk it is to the property owner to even allow us to have the horses on their property....
Depends on state laws. Some states are more sympathetic to trespassers than others.

However in some states if you post "Beware of dog" you are admitting you have a dangerous dog...at least according to the legal system

Mah Navu
Apr. 7, 2012, 11:08 PM
Our property owners have a beware of dog sign up....I will mention to her that she might want to take that down.

And i am quite interested to know what our state laws regarding this are....time to do some research.

kathy s.
Apr. 8, 2012, 08:53 PM
Depends on state laws. Some states are more sympathetic to trespassers than others.

However in some states if you post "Beware of dog" you are admitting you have a dangerous dog...at least according to the legal system


Yes, from what the attorney and insurance agent told me, here in Texas horses are considered an attractive nuisance and you can be sued. It's BS hence the mean horse lady persona.

Jaegermonster
Apr. 11, 2012, 11:07 AM
Do either of you have take-home cars? We don't, but I live in my jurisdiction, so I come home for my seven. Nothing like a cop car in the driveway* to keep trespassers away.

*caveat: only if you live in a nicer neighborhood...otherwise it's a great way to get egged or worse ;)

Yes we do. However we do usually park them behind the house so it's harder for people to know when we are home or not at home, on purpose. And we hide them between the horse trailers.

We figure if anyone is stupid enough to get the fence past the dogs, we can always snipe them from the upstairs windows.

MistyBlue
Apr. 11, 2012, 11:58 AM
ReSomething...wireless driveway alarms are pretty affordable. :yes: Mine was around $65-$75 IIRC and it's worked perfectly for 7 years now.

It's nice knowing when someone has turned into your driveway or is walking up it. Usually here it's Owen the mailman. He'll drive up to drop off something that didn't fit in the mailbox or just to say hi and have a coffee or iced tea depending on time of year. He's a pisser...he doesn't beep the horn but he does holler, "I ain't getting out of the truck!" :lol: I'm hoping he never wants to retire.

And yep, people can most certainly trespass onto your property, climb fences and even muck with your animals and if they get injured you could be screwed legally. Attractive nuisance. Attractive nuisance only applies to children though. Age may vary by state, not sure. An adult or teen can't get away with that. BUT...they can still sue. It's up to the judge if they win or not. But it'll still cost you.

alabama
Apr. 11, 2012, 01:49 PM
I have a driveway alarm, too. I love knowing when someone has come up the driveway. Mine is an older version of this one: http://www.amazon.com/Chamberlain-CWA2000-Wireless-Motion-Alert/dp/B002ISVJL6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1334166407&sr=8-3

Added benefit, when the alarm goes off the cats all growl and run to the door! LOL!

msj
Apr. 11, 2012, 03:28 PM
I am downright rude to anyone who is a missionary. I snarl, "Go away. Do not come back." Why on earth would anyone feel they ought to be nice to such people?

LOL! I think I do you one better though. If they don't leave immediately, and I mean immediately, they get cussed out in my best private girls boarding school language! :yes:

susanne
Apr. 11, 2012, 04:31 PM
Somehow, I think Sue's "best private girls boarding school language" might just top my "cursing like a drunken sailor."

msj
Apr. 11, 2012, 05:23 PM
Somehow, I think Sue's "best private girls boarding school language" might just top my "cursing like a drunken sailor."

More than likely so! :D :D You have to realize that I was an instructor(only 1 yr too) and learned 'quite a lot' from some of those darling young 'ladies'. :yes: :yes:

PRS
Apr. 11, 2012, 06:09 PM
At our last home/facility, I forever had people coming to the front door for this and that, despite the fact that the streets in and out of our neighborhood clearly stated "NO SOLICITING" in big letters. Didn't stop the sales people (omaha steaks, wonder window cleaner, etc.), small business "owners" ("Looks like your roof needs painting/trees need trimming/driveway needs repaving"), and "missionaries" from various and sundry churches (the most evil of the lot). I got so sick of it that I put a sign in the window next to my front door:

No salesmen
No services
No missionaries
No kidding

JMO.:cool:

People really think it doesn't apply to them: I had large NO SOLICITING sign on my door when a young person came through my door with a bag full of stuff he was trying to sell. I told him if he had a No Solicitiing sign in his bag I'd buy it becuase the one on the door apparently isn't working. His face turned all red and he left and my co-worker nearly peed her pants she was laughing so hard.

msj
Apr. 11, 2012, 07:51 PM
People really think it doesn't apply to them: I had large NO SOLICITING sign on my door when a young person came through my door with a bag full of stuff he was trying to sell. I told him if he had a No Solicitiing sign in his bag I'd buy it becuase the one on the door apparently isn't working. His face turned all red and he left and my co-worker nearly peed her pants she was laughing so hard.

I also had a No Soliciting sign on the door of my town house and the same thing happened. A teenager came to the door selling stuff. I asked him if:

1. could he read, he answered yes.

2.if he knew what solicitation was. No he didn't. So much for our education systems.....:( :(

BTW, I did tell him what solicitation meant! :yes:

5
Apr. 14, 2012, 07:00 PM
Yeah so...I happened to see some missionaries OPENING MY GATE and heading towards the door, so I grabbed up one of my bottle baby goats, tucked her under my arm, and answered the door, "You here for the sacrifice?"


Classic!!!

Thoroughbred in Color
Apr. 15, 2012, 05:24 PM
This is the really aggravating part. I don't have any neighbors. These jerks are pulling into my driveway from a 4 lane highway.....uninvited! I have no trespassing signs up now, and a NC specific equine liability sign on the way. I hope people pay attention, but i have my doubts.

I used to board at a PRIVATE boarding barn, which just happened to be right next to a main road. Completly fenced, gates, owners lived on site, etc. Showed up one day as a complete stranger was hoisting his little girl (maybe 5-6 years old) on to the back of my filly. My barely green broke, hot, thoroughbred filly. While SHE WAS IN HER STALL! :mad: He just pulled his car up to the gate, and marched his daughter into the barn to see the pretty ponies.The barn owners were not home, and there were no other boarders there at the time, but there were signs everywhere that said that it was a private facility/no trespassing/boarders only etc.

When I asked him just what the F**k he thought he was doing (I did use kid appropriate language, but the tone was there) he had the nerve to call me every name in the book and tell me that it was rude that I wouldn't let his kid ride my horse. I told him that if he thought that was rude he shouldn't stick around long enough for me to get really worked up.

I really feel for you farmgirl, some people have NO sense of boundaries.

farmgirl598
Apr. 15, 2012, 08:33 PM
I bought some really nice black and white no trespassing signs, and put them up on the pillars on either side of the driveway entrance by the highway. I felt better after having done this last wednesday. Then, yesterday (saturday) a lady knocked on my door and actually said "Hi. Sorry to bother you, and I saw the No Trespassing signs, but thought I'd just come on in anyhow. I am a photographer, and I'd love to take my friend's engagement photos here....bla bla bla..." It's just never gonna stop, is it??? EVERYONE thinks the signs DON'T APPLY TO THEM!!! The "sense of entitlement" issues are just too much!

clanter
Apr. 15, 2012, 08:52 PM
since horses are considered an attractive nuisance, similar to a pool, you can still get sued if the kid gets hurt on your property.

same here, we are inside the city on acreage our insurance company recommended double fencing since we are close to a middle school and an elementary school.

The doubled fencing seems to work; outside fence is chain link... then inside fence is back ten feet is V mesh

we also went to a $2M umbrella policy

TimeBandit
Apr. 15, 2012, 10:05 PM
I usually greet trespassers with shotgun in hand. Ask them what they think they are doing on my property, and then tell them to get the hell off it before I call the cops & coroner. Works every time. My place is posted - 5 "private property - no trespassing" signs right in front. 2 on the gates and 3 on the trees & barn. Had a local deputy tell me I was within my rights to do it.

Now that we are moving the farm to Fla, I will have basically the same set up. Only we will be buying more guns. Got wild hogs and rattlers out back of the house.

Belg
Apr. 16, 2012, 08:26 AM
We live on registered historic property of considerable fame in some circles.... of whom, the vast majority thereof have enough passing interest in horses to be curious enough to at least ask if there are horses about.

I don't recall ever having a 'guest' of historic leanings ever assume anything, however.

We've had more issues with specific neighbor partiers and trash than we have had with lookieloos... the latter of which are pretty much a daily occurance.

That said, strange cars pretty much always get a drive by and if they're parked at the barn, photos of the plates.

JanM
Apr. 16, 2012, 09:42 AM
Remember that if someone is an entitled, indulged by everyone in their life, clueless product of helicopter parents then they know that no sign means they shouldn't do something. And even if you get a No Soliciting and No Sales signs people still pull stunts like trespass.

A friend called me a while ago and she reminded me of the time she went out of town for a couple of days and came home to find her street blocked with sawhorses and a big celebration going on. She asked what the h*@@ was going on, and that she needed to get to her house, she was informed that every single homeowner had signed off on the blocking. She saw the paperwork and her name had been forged, and misspelled. In fact she called the cops, to get people and their stuff out of her way to get to her own home, and found that was a bouncy castle or two her drive way and lawn. They moved pretty quickly when she found out that the organizers (and likely forgers) were the one doing the party, that was apparently a huge party for one of their kids. That was the last time that happened.

NJRider
Apr. 16, 2012, 10:21 AM
I usually greet trespassers with shotgun in hand. Ask them what they think they are doing on my property, and then tell them to get the hell off it before I call the cops & coroner. Works every time.

I love this..."call the cops and the coroner". Effective and to the point!

Grataan
Apr. 16, 2012, 10:45 AM
When I asked him just what the F**k he thought he was doing (I did use kid appropriate language, but the tone was there) he had the nerve to call me every name in the book and tell me that it was rude that I wouldn't let his kid ride my horse. I told him that if he thought that was rude he shouldn't stick around long enough for me to get really worked up.

Would it be rude to wait until after you beat him to a pulp to call the ambulance or does etiquette dictate in rural areas that one call the ambulance first, then beat the snot out of trespassing idiots?

farmgirl598
Apr. 16, 2012, 11:43 AM
Would it be rude to wait until after you beat him to a pulp to call the ambulance or does etiquette dictate in rural areas that one call the ambulance first, then beat the snot out of trespassing idiots?

LOLOLOL!!! This is hilarious!

Alagirl
Apr. 16, 2012, 12:24 PM
Remember that if someone is an entitled, indulged by everyone in their life, clueless product of helicopter parents then they know that no sign means they shouldn't do something. And even if you get a No Soliciting and No Sales signs people still pull stunts like trespass.

A friend called me a while ago and she reminded me of the time she went out of town for a couple of days and came home to find her street blocked with sawhorses and a big celebration going on. She asked what the h*@@ was going on, and that she needed to get to her house, she was informed that every single homeowner had signed off on the blocking. She saw the paperwork and her name had been forged, and misspelled. In fact she called the cops, to get people and their stuff out of her way to get to her own home, and found that was a bouncy castle or two her drive way and lawn. They moved pretty quickly when she found out that the organizers (and likely forgers) were the one doing the party, that was apparently a huge party for one of their kids. That was the last time that happened.


:eek::eek::eek:

That I think does take the cake by far!

Forging the signature AND putting stuff in the drive and the front lawn!
Brass does not begin to cover the ball material!

(I guess when you misspell the name it's not forgery?)

Holly Jeanne
Apr. 16, 2012, 02:05 PM
I haven't had a lot of problems with trespassing (knock wood) but sometimes have a car stop in front of my house and have had them pull in my driveway and sit. I generally assume that, because my house is the last one before a series of sharp curves that they probably stop to finish a phone conversation. However, when I notice it, I walk out into the yard where I can be seen and take my dogs (who always bark) with me. About a year and a half ago, this happened a couple of times in close succession. A month or so later, there was a robbery around the corner and one down a nearby street. I still wonder if my attention to the car sitting in front of my house (and my wonderful dogs) might have helped deter my house from being hit. If it happens again (and it hasn't for a while), you can bet I'll be writing down details about the car. Oh, and observant neighbors and a camera in a driveway resulted in the arrest of the robbers.

SMF11
Apr. 16, 2012, 03:36 PM
I bought some really nice black and white no trespassing signs, and put them up on the pillars on either side of the driveway entrance by the highway. I felt better after having done this last wednesday. Then, yesterday (saturday) a lady knocked on my door and actually said "Hi. Sorry to bother you, and I saw the No Trespassing signs, but thought I'd just come on in anyhow. I am a photographer, and I'd love to take my friend's engagement photos here....bla bla bla..." It's just never gonna stop, is it??? EVERYONE thinks the signs DON'T APPLY TO THEM!!! The "sense of entitlement" issues are just too much!

Well, you could have said yes and quoted her a hefty sum to use your farm as a location! ($1,000 +)

JanM
Apr. 16, 2012, 04:36 PM
Grataan-I live really far South, and the appropriate thing here is to beat the person to a pulp, and then call the big, cranky locals and tell them that you did it because he was extremely rude and forward to you. Around here he might have to walk to the hospital, because the ambulance crew might decline to help someone who is too stupid to live. Even the most cranky neighbor who doesn't like all of the outsiders who moved in here (this used to be farm pastures, and now it's subdivision central-developed by the landowners) wouldn't hesitate to help a woman in distress. And some of the subdivision residents a mile or so up the road had a peeping tom, and someone was burglarized next door (yes, we suspect the same person was involved, whoever that might be) the guys in my subdivision gave their phone numbers to them and said call any time, day or night, because the cops might not get here fast enough. It pays to be in a neighborhood of active and retired Army.

Thoroughbred in Color
Apr. 16, 2012, 05:21 PM
Would it be rude to wait until after you beat him to a pulp to call the ambulance or does etiquette dictate in rural areas that one call the ambulance first, then beat the snot out of trespassing idiots?

I'm all for beating first, ambulance later, but I'm involved in emergency medicine. According to Oregon law I would be obligated to help the jackass after beating him to the previously described pulp. :rolleyes:

farmgirl598
Apr. 16, 2012, 10:24 PM
Well, you could have said yes and quoted her a hefty sum to use your farm as a location! ($1,000 +)


I admit that DID cross my mind!!!! I'll probably use that line next time, since this is the SECOND photographer in less than a year to try and use our property for photo shoots. The first girl brought her dogs (without permission.....my dog DID NOT appreciate it) and hung around so long my poor dog's bladder was about to burst....I couldn't let him out in MY OWN yard, as her dogs were still here! And to top it all off? i never even got a thank you......

coloredhorse
Apr. 17, 2012, 07:48 AM
I'm all for beating first, ambulance later, but I'm involved in emergency medicine. According to Oregon law I would be obligated to help the jackass after beating him to the previously described pulp. :rolleyes:

Could you stop the beating just short of injury sufficient to reuire your action? :winkgrin:

ESG
Apr. 17, 2012, 05:31 PM
I haven't had a lot of problems with trespassing (knock wood) but sometimes have a car stop in front of my house and have had them pull in my driveway and sit. I generally assume that, because my house is the last one before a series of sharp curves that they probably stop to finish a phone conversation. However, when I notice it, I walk out into the yard where I can be seen and take my dogs (who always bark) with me. About a year and a half ago, this happened a couple of times in close succession. A month or so later, there was a robbery around the corner and one down a nearby street. I still wonder if my attention to the car sitting in front of my house (and my wonderful dogs) might have helped deter my house from being hit. If it happens again (and it hasn't for a while), you can bet I'll be writing down details about the car. Oh, and observant neighbors and a camera in a driveway resulted in the arrest of the robbers.

That's me - the neighborhood "nosey parker". I'm forever going to the door and looking out to see why someone's slowing down/parked in front of my house. We have a ton of deer around here, and often folks will slow down or stop just to look at them. They don't bother me. It's the ones sitting in their vehicles with the vehicle turned off, obviously writing/calling/doing something that involves addresses and house numbers. That sends my Spidey Sense into overdrive, and I've been known to circle the block and pass them again s l o w l y, looking inquisitively into their vehicle, or ostentatiously taking down their license plates. Am I paranoid? Perhaps. I don't care. There have been robberies/break ins in this neighborhood, and I wasn't a victim. I'm keeping it that way if at all possible. :cool:

Kestrel
Apr. 17, 2012, 11:54 PM
In my neighborhood, we take photos with our cell phones.

Ambitious Kate
Apr. 18, 2012, 06:47 AM
In my neighborhood, the police have told us to call them if we see anything suspicious. They said if anyone is "hit" there are usually several trials made first, to see when people are home or what they do with suspicious cars. It helps if there have been 'sightings' reported a few days prior to the hit, they can follow the leads.

There really is no excuse for not calling the police if someone pulls into your driveway. You shouldn't be trying to decide what they are doing - they might be casing the negihborhood.

We even had someone ringing doorbells at 2 am to see if lights turn on. The houses where they didn't were 'hit' in the next few days. I live in a summer beach house community, and we don't tend to lock our doors or be suspicious.

There's really no reason to allow your property to be violated especially if you have animals and children. If you don't report it, its hard to go after the fact to the police and say "Oh, well, there was a suspicious car a month ago..."

ESG
Apr. 18, 2012, 05:46 PM
We actually have a fairly good neighborhood watch network. Not a formal one, but if anything untoward/suspicious happens, the HOA sends out an e-mail to all residents as a warning. I'm convinced that that's helped keep our neighborhood as safe as it is.

Ambitious Kate
Apr. 18, 2012, 09:02 PM
Would it be rude to wait until after you beat him to a pulp to call the ambulance or does etiquette dictate in rural areas that one call the ambulance first, then beat the snot out of trespassing idiots?

Like in "Sling Blade", I'll "call the cops, or a hearst, [sic] depending..."

ESG
Apr. 18, 2012, 11:20 PM
"What numbers do ye put in?"

One of my all time favorite movies. BBT is a genius. A certified whackadoo, but a genius, nonetheless.

Mtn trails
Apr. 19, 2012, 01:40 PM
"Tell them to send a hearst if you're goin to kill me"

Our shop was hit a few times in the past. I had my 3/4 ton truck stolen and trashed, DH had his brand new welder stolen, some other odds and ends like hand tools and such. We installed an alarm and DH posted a sign like:

"Tresspassers will be shot and survivors shot again" or some such. Haven't had any problems since.

susanne
Apr. 19, 2012, 04:40 PM
Then there is my favorite (from someone on COTH):

Trespassers will be violated.
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piaffequeen
Apr. 19, 2012, 04:56 PM
I have about 10 good sized dogs on my place at any given time and my husband and I are both police officers so we dont have much problems with this sort of thing. We also have perimeter fencing and keep the gates locked.

BUt we do have a sign that reads "Dog on premises". I figure if someone is thinking about taking their chances they can interpret it however they want to ;)


I swear I have seen a sign that said my rottwieller can make it the fence in 3 seconds-Can you?

Would post those in a second!!!

I had a friend who had people come into her field to pet the horses and feed them even with her no trespassing signs up around her fence and property.

So she found a really mean and nasty donkey that would charge anyone who came into his field- Braying as he was chasing the perps. Problem solved! Would have loved to have seen that!

Kigercat
Apr. 19, 2012, 05:24 PM
You need a sign that reads
"No Trespassing, Survivors will be Prosecuted"
When I was a kid there was a property near me that said that and we were terrified to go near that place.

There was one similar out in the then boonies that always creaped me out.

It said
Hell is not full yet, enter if you want to help fill it up.

The house was like something you'd see in a horror movie...old falling down and rickety with about a million keep out and no tresspassing signs.

cloudyandcallie
Apr. 19, 2012, 05:30 PM
I have the "my australian shepherd can make it to the fence...." I forget how many seconds. You can buy the signs at dog shows, like the Atlanta Kennel Club shows.

Never had to post it. The burglars and trespassers know who has dogs, who works where, etc. Never burgled in Atlanta in over 20 yrs because defendants knew me.

My judge once sat down at our breakfast table in the courthouse cafe and asked me if I'd ever seen a sign that said "prosecutors will be violated." Talk about :o

OP, people know whom they can walk over and whom they will be prosecuted by for trespassing. Become one of the prosecutors. (and don't be violated.)

Alagirl
Apr. 19, 2012, 05:47 PM
I swear I have seen a sign that said my rottwieller can make it the fence in 3 seconds-Can you?

Would post those in a second!!!

I had a friend who had people come into her field to pet the horses and feed them even with her no trespassing signs up around her fence and property.

So she found a really mean and nasty donkey that would charge anyone who came into his field- Braying as he was chasing the perps. Problem solved! Would have loved to have seen that!


I think i have sen those kind of signs with a bull being mentioned. :D