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PinkBoots
Mar. 27, 2012, 08:39 AM
Hello Everyone! I have some questions for you guys that travel to shows..

How much $ is average for a groom to get per horse for horse shows? How much should you tip? Should a groom's hotel room be paid for, even if they are showing themselves? If a groom is also a client, what should they be paying the trainer?

Thanks in advance :)

Effie1221
Mar. 27, 2012, 10:11 AM
Our groom gets $80 per day but takes care of 2-6 horses and sleeps in the grooming stall on a cot. The horse owner's split the cost, and are expected to tip.

The trainer's fees are a separate cost.

It sounds like this may be more of a working student situation?

tabula rashah
Mar. 27, 2012, 10:20 AM
For our barn, grooms are paid their normal wage for show days. They stay in a hotel and their hotels and meals are split between all the horses. I know they appreciate tips. Of course it may be a bit different as we are a dressage barn mainly.

eclipse
Mar. 27, 2012, 01:10 PM
Our groom gets $80 per day but takes care of 2-6 horses and sleeps in the grooming stall on a cot. The horse owner's split the cost, and are expected to tip.


Instead of hoping that owner's tip the groom, why not just up what the groom gets paid per day and include hotel and food? Or is the $80 per horse/per day and she decides where she'd like to sleep?

Edited to add: our barn doesn't have grooms but my trainer does. Her groom gets hotel, food etc and is also paid her regular daily wage. (all she is allowed to do for us as part of her daily job is to feed and water the horses). If we ask her to braid our horse she will, and she gets paid the money directly (trainer does not take a cut of this)!

findeight
Mar. 27, 2012, 01:23 PM
IIRC my barn pays $45 per day per head-so 5 horses would be 225 a day-usually assigning 6 to 8 per groom with the expectation the grooms will help each other out when one has nothing going and another has all of them up at the show arena. Barn also provides a camper or shared hotel room and a meal allowance.

Tipping is customary but should never be billed...then it is an undisclosed charge, not a "tip". As an owner, I never minded tipping for good service and shared when it was not good with the trainer.

maigenesis
Mar. 27, 2012, 02:01 PM
My old barn was that each customer pays $50+tip ($10-$15) per day for rated C-AA shows. Each person was usually riding one horse, but for those who rode 2+, it would be the $50+tip per horse. All shows were close enough to drive home (under 30 min), but I don't know about food.

findeight
Mar. 27, 2012, 02:13 PM
My old barn was that each customer pays $50+tip ($10-$15) per day for rated C-AA shows. Each person was usually riding one horse, but for those who rode 2+, it would be the $50+tip per horse. All shows were close enough to drive home (under 30 min), but I don't know about food.

Was the trainer paying the grooms a salary? Or were they doing it for the "tips" directly from clients?

A "tip" is money in addition to any bill for good service. If it is a required charge? It's not a "tip", it is part of the bill.

I paid $75 a day to the trainer for day care which including that groom who got $45 a day per head. I tipped on top of that-20 per show or lesson day (horse was there for a week or two).

maigenesis
Mar. 27, 2012, 02:31 PM
Was the trainer paying the grooms a salary? Or were they doing it for the "tips" directly from clients?

A "tip" is money in addition to any bill for good service. If it is a required charge? It's not a "tip", it is part of the bill.

I paid $75 a day to the trainer for day care which including that groom who got $45 a day per head. I tipped on top of that-20 per show or lesson day (horse was there for a week or two).

I am not sure if the grooms got a salary at shows, but we paid the grooms directly, and told the trainer (who probably checked with the groom). The ($10-15) 'tip' was not required, but heavily encouraged.

Gil's Girl
Mar. 27, 2012, 02:44 PM
Several years ago, I used to make $100/day, plus $30/day for expenses/food, and a room in a nice, shared condo. This was for grooming/lunging/tacking and lots of riding/warm-ups - no braiding, mucking, etc. Usually about 12 horses split between 2-3 grooms. Tips were usually at the end of the show - about $100 from each client.

I thought this was the norm, but the more I read I just had a fabulous trainer and a really nice set up apparently - everyone was happy and worked super hard, but wasn't run off their feet - it made for happy horses and people and a nice atmosphere.

CruisingforGold
Mar. 27, 2012, 02:57 PM
No clue. I tip though - I gave our groom $675 for taking care of my horse in Ocala. I hope that was enough. I am never sure what is a good amount.

eclipse
Mar. 27, 2012, 03:02 PM
I guess I just don't understand the "tipping mentality". Yes we have tipping in Canada but a lot less than I see in the States. If employers would pay people fairly you shouldn't HAVE to tip!

I guess I just don't understand why trainers that "heavily try to promote tipping to the grooms" just don't build it into the daily fee? Is it simply because the trainers are that dishonest/greedy/etc and like to keep all the monies paid to themselves?

CruisingforGold
Mar. 27, 2012, 03:09 PM
I would always tip. It is courteous to do so for someone who performs a service.

ASClaire
Mar. 27, 2012, 06:06 PM
Several questions about tips, specifically: Can you owners clarify how much you TIP each groom at the shows? For example, at a larger barn where there may be 4-5 grooms sharing responsibility (ie, not assigned to a specific horse/horses), how much do you tip each of them at the end of a one-week show? And does it vary depending upon the number of show days vs. schooling days you had, and/or whether you vs. the trainer/professional rode the horse? And if there is a "head" groom, do you tip him/her more than the others, and if so, how much more? Thanks!

snaffle635
Mar. 27, 2012, 08:39 PM
Several questions about tips, specifically: Can you owners clarify how much you TIP each groom at the shows? For example, at a larger barn where there may be 4-5 grooms sharing responsibility (ie, not assigned to a specific horse/horses), how much do you tip each of them at the end of a one-week show? And does it vary depending upon the number of show days vs. schooling days you had, and/or whether you vs. the trainer/professional rode the horse? And if there is a "head" groom, do you tip him/her more than the others, and if so, how much more? Thanks!

You should probably ask your trainer as well as your fellow boarders since tipping practices vary from barn to barn.

More for show days than schooling days.
More if the horse needs to be tacked/untacked multiple times a day.
More if the grooms bring my horse to the ring for me.
More if my horse is being a giant pain in the neck. For example, when we show closer to home, one of our grooms brings my horse home almost every night so that he can sleep outside and get some turnout. Extra big tip for that groom!

norcalammie
Mar. 27, 2012, 09:36 PM
When we had multiple grooms there was always a head groom. At the end of the show everyone gave the tips to the head groom and he distributed to everyone equally as they all had primary horses but helped each other out constantly. Seemed to work well.