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lachevaline
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
I was looking at the pictures from the Ocala GP - I'd be interested in knowing more about this guy's bridle arrangement (picture (http://i44.tinypic.com/1z53jw0.jpg)). I highlighted (highlit?) the area I mean, but for reference here is the original image. (http://www.chronofhorse.com/sites/default/files/RobinHead.jpg)

lizathenag
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:18 PM
with a pulley set up attached to the lower rein.

yikes.

overthemoon
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:18 PM
Looks like a Mikmar combo bit.

overthemoon
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:20 PM
with a pulley set up attached to the lower rein.

yikes.

A steel cable? It's a Mikmar combination bit, and what you're seeing as steel is rope.

Rel6
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:20 PM
Looks like a mikmar combination bit, but I've never seen the rein attached to the cord.

overthemoon
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:22 PM
Looks like a mikmar combination bit, but I've never seen the rein attached to the cord.

I've never used one, but their website says the bit can be used in numerous combinations (including w/ a double rein) for different leverages.

FLeventer
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:27 PM
I've seen those before. I personally would never use them as they have a huge port, leverage, and nose pressure. I have one of their pelhams and they work on some horses but their bits can be extreme. A lot of the combo bits can be extreme in the wrong hands, which is many hands.

Here is their website with more info.

http://www.mikmar.com/bit-pages/combo-bit.html


The Combination Bits DISPERSE PRESSURE to the nose, mouth, chin, and poll areas. The light-weight design works well for all disciplines.

The Combination Bits are VERSATILE, offering different options for leverage and function. You can attach a single rein to 3 different areas on the bit- the nose rope, the lower area of the shank or the shank at the corner of the mouth.
You can use double reins in combination to any of the 3 areas.

lachevaline
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:39 PM
Thanks for the info! It does look pretty intense... I think the nose rope is what was throwing me off track. I've never seen that before.

DarkStarrx
Mar. 22, 2012, 03:26 PM
I love the 3 ring Myler with a nose rope. Just throwing another nose rope bit out there. They certainly aren't common.

findeight
Mar. 22, 2012, 04:14 PM
Thanks for the info! It does look pretty intense... I think the nose rope is what was throwing me off track. I've never seen that before.

It's not as bad as it looks and it certainly is being used by somebody who knows how to use it and why.

When you are jumping that big with spreads and have to beat a stingy time allowed? Fat snaffle aint going to cut it, you need a little more control. You can't miss at those heights.

kmwines01
Mar. 22, 2012, 04:15 PM
I had that bit and loved it. I had a guy who was super heavy and an awful puller. I rode with a rein on the nose rope and then one on the snaffle part unless I needed some more that day. The nose rope acts like a hackamore and gave me a different set of brakes when he would just lean on the bit. They look instead but the mouthpiece is very light and wide. It gives you a lot of options.

TheHorseProblem
Mar. 22, 2012, 04:21 PM
Not to hijack, but can someone explain this one?

It's in the Gucci ad.

http://tinyurl.com/7cu9ecm

lachevaline
Mar. 22, 2012, 04:27 PM
Not to hijack, but can someone explain this one?

It's in the Gucci ad.

http://tinyurl.com/7cu9ecm

Looks kind of like this (http://www.cheval-shop.com/boutique/en/bridon/3682-equipe-no-stress-rope-noseband-snaffle-bridle.html), huh?

(And, unrelated, but how cute are these (http://www.cheval-shop.com/boutique/fr/accessoire-de-mors/1568-product-1568.html)??)

findeight
Mar. 22, 2012, 04:31 PM
Can't see very well.

Looks like just stiff rope on the noseband (makes it bite more) and a loose rein snaffle and maybe a figure eight cavesson but it could be a hackamore lash up of some sort...although with what looks like a Dressage horse in a loose ring is...unusual.

But it's a clothing ad and maybe they thought it looked good.:rolleyes:

TheHorseProblem
Mar. 22, 2012, 04:45 PM
Looks kind of like this (http://www.cheval-shop.com/boutique/en/bridon/3682-equipe-no-stress-rope-noseband-snaffle-bridle.html), huh?

(And, unrelated, but how cute are these (http://www.cheval-shop.com/boutique/fr/accessoire-de-mors/1568-product-1568.html)??)

Those are the only things on this web site I could afford.

And yes, that's the bridle.:)

Fancy That
Mar. 22, 2012, 05:16 PM
It's just the Mikmar Combo Bit......

It can be a lovely bit for certain horses. Don't let the rope over the nose scare you. If anything it is KINDER to help convey signals across the nose, it can HELP and alleviate mouth pressure.

Also - the bit may "look" like alot of hardware but horses tend to really pack these mouthpieces around. AKA - they like them. They are very lightweight and made to be comfortable, not a torture device.

Personally, my horse prefers to be ridden in a sidepull (nose pressure) versus pulling on her mouth :) So I think it's a neat concept for those horses that are HELPED by it.

alterhorse
Mar. 22, 2012, 08:06 PM
To harken back to the tack noseband thread, one might notice how a combination bit like this might offer a more precise training experience for the horse.

It's better to ask kindly and then selectively use the severity to reinforce obedience, then it is to just let a horse hit himself with a tack noseband without any relationship to how the rider is asking.

IMO

Rel6
Mar. 22, 2012, 08:39 PM
To harken back to the tack noseband thread, one might notice how a combination bit like this might offer a more precise training experience for the horse.

It's better to ask kindly and then selectively use the severity to reinforce obedience, then it is to just let a horse hit himself with a tack noseband without any relationship to how the rider is asking.

IMO

This assumes that the rider is capable of using this bit "kindly and selectively."

ETA: I'm not saying this rider can't, obviously its being used by a very very experienced rider, but in certain hands a loosely fitted tack noseband could be MUCH less harmful than a bit like this in a rough or inexperienced rider's hands.

alterhorse
Mar. 22, 2012, 09:59 PM
This assumes that the rider is capable of using this bit "kindly and selectively."

ETA: I'm not saying this rider can't, obviously its being used by a very very experienced rider, but in certain hands a loosely fitted tack noseband could be MUCH less harmful than a bit like this in a rough or inexperienced rider's hands.

I understand this is an existing practice that may serve a useful purpose in some situations.

But I think we agree that the ideal is for the rider to strive towards becoming capable of reinforcing obedience to the kindly aids through the selective use of the harsher ones.

Tool choice is relative to the goals and the experience of the trainer.

Awareness of other options endows the trainer to use a wider range of tools.

:)