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dressagedevon
Mar. 12, 2012, 09:24 PM
I am reaching for the power of coth here, we are switching cattle breeds from long horn to another breed. My husband wants charolais because they are the more gentle breed of cattle and we already have two bulls. But my goodness there seem to be none for sale, anywhere!!! I'd prefer to locate some in the south east but at this point since we want a truck load will look farther away. Any ideas? I have googled the Internet till my eyes are crossed. I really don't care for straight angus cause my cow horse is small and those are some large cattle, we had two bulls and I sold them because they were just too big!

Tom King
Mar. 12, 2012, 09:28 PM
I know of a guy near Bracey, Va. that raises them, but I don't think he ever has as many as a truckload for sale in any one year.

Contact E.B. Harris. He can probably point you in the right direction. Tell him Tom King sent you.

http://www.ebharris.com/

I thought Charlais could be bigger than Angus. Have you looked at Polled Herefords. Those are some calm, small cows that produce great beef, and are easy keepers.

Simkie
Mar. 12, 2012, 09:28 PM
There are a ton of sales listed here.

http://www.charolaisusa.com/calendar.html

Tamara in TN
Mar. 12, 2012, 10:01 PM
the best we ever had came from here

http://www.rogersbarhr.com/

Tamara

wireweiners
Mar. 13, 2012, 12:04 PM
Um, Charolais are way bigger than Angus. In fact, Angus are one of the smaller beef breeds. I wouldn't consider them all that friendly either. We used to have Brangus cows and crossed them to Charolais bulls. We kept a few of the Brangus x Charolais heifers. Those were some of the craziest cows we ever owned. And boy, could they jump! I think we had a couple who could have held their own on the Grand Prix circuit. The craziest, best jumping cow finally messed up her hip trying to jump out of a 7' fence and wound up as hamburger probably.

WildBlue
Mar. 13, 2012, 12:08 PM
I second Tom King's suggestion of polled Herefords if you're looking for smaller and gentler.

RacetrackReject
Mar. 13, 2012, 12:09 PM
There is a ranch on my way from my farm to work that has Charolais cattle for sale. I will have to see what information the sign has on it tomorrow.

Oddly, when I was driving in this morning, I happened to look over at the herd of cows and saw 2 zebra mixed in with them..lol.

Bacardi1
Mar. 13, 2012, 12:14 PM
Um, Charolais are way bigger than Angus. In fact, Angus are one of the smaller beef breeds. I wouldn't consider them all that friendly either. We used to have Brangus cows and crossed them to Charolais bulls. We kept a few of the Brangus x Charolais heifers. Those were some of the craziest cows we ever owned. And boy, could they jump! I think we had a couple who could have held their own on the Grand Prix circuit. The craziest, best jumping cow finally messed up her hip trying to jump out of a 7' fence and wound up as hamburger probably.

I was just going to say the same thing. Where in dickens did you hear that Charolais cattle are small???? Gentle, yes - but small? No way!! They're huge!

When we lived up by Winchester, VA, there were several Charolais owners around, & man are those big beasts. Pretty much the same size as the Devon cattle that several folks up there raised - & they're known as the "elephants of cattle" - lol! Angus are quite a bit smaller, as are the Belted Galloways that quite a few other folks raised up there.

I don't have any links for you, but I saw more Charolais in Winchester, VA, than anywhere else. You may want to concentrate one search there via local cattle organizations. Although the few breeders I knew certainly didn't have anything close to "truck loads" for sale. They basically bred as homesteaders & for local beef sales.

kellidahorsegirl
Mar. 13, 2012, 12:19 PM
Like Wireweiners said, Charolais are bigger than Angus... and way hotter too. I've had several Charolais over the years, and we breed about 300 heifers for someone... they are hot and fired up. I have yet to meet a calm one (doesn't mean they're not out there). Most (read, "most") Angus cattle are pretty gentle. We have 100 head here on our ranch and there are only about 2 momma cows I"d like to get rid of, but they raise good calves ;)

Herefords are generally pretty nice too, but just like dogs/horses/etc, it depends how they were raised. If they're raised 'close-knit' with their breeders, then they're likely to be gentle no matter what breed they are.

Maybe look at Shorthorns too... they're a bit smaller and pretty docile.

As far as finding them to buy... if you're set on Charolais, just get on the breed website and look up the breeder listing... then find the nearest ranch to you

rustbreeches
Mar. 13, 2012, 12:28 PM
Second the shorthorns. I have worked with several Millking Shorthorns, and they are a smaller, very docile breed. If you would ever consider a more dual purpose breed, Ayrshires are an amazing breed. If I was going to have a beef herd in my little fantasy world, though, I would have linebacks, sometimes called darksided Wessex. They are a breed dating back to Colonial times and are very, very cool! There is a breeder in Berryville, VA. We are actually milking one, but they are more on the beef side of dual purpose. Smaller, gentle etc. I don't know how long to get them to slaughter weight though.

http://www.randalllineback.com/

Bacardi1
Mar. 13, 2012, 12:31 PM
Like Wireweiners said, Charolais are bigger than Angus... and way hotter too. I've had several Charolais over the years, and we breed about 300 heifers for someone... they are hot and fired up. I have yet to meet a calm one (doesn't mean they're not out there).
Maybe look at Shorthorns too... they're a bit smaller and pretty docile.

As far as finding them to buy... if you're set on Charolais, just get on the breed website and look up the breeder listing... then find the nearest ranch to you

Yes - it's quite possible that all of the Charolais I had close-up-&-personal experiences with were mild-mannered because they were part of relatively small homesteader farms. Thus lots of personal hands-on attention, etc., etc.

dressagedevon
Mar. 13, 2012, 01:13 PM
Wow that is interesting to hear, we have two Charolais bulls now that we have been crossing with our longhorns. Previously we had two angus bulls and they were the biggest meanest things I've ever encountered! We had to flip to see who was gonna ride into the pens to push them out. I sold them after one breeding season and all the offspring were just as crazy so got rid of them also. Our bulls now are extremely gentle, one even likes to be scratched on the head. I guess the Charolais down here are smaller then up north cause our bulls are on the smaller size especially when compared to the angus which easily were pushing 2500lbs! We are not really stuck on a breed, we were just going with Charolais cause we already had two bulls.

BarbB
Mar. 13, 2012, 01:16 PM
Well, it would be across the country but there is a large farm outside of Greeley Colorado where they breed them. The address might be LaPorte instead of Greeley. If you are interested send me a PM and I will try to find in online for you tonight. Don't have time right now.

PRS
Mar. 13, 2012, 01:23 PM
My best friend's son raises Charolais. He has several contacts for other breeders too. We are located about 40 miles south of Macon, GA. PM me if you are interested in getting his contact info.

Bluey
Mar. 13, 2012, 02:19 PM
Charolais for angus and Simmental later for hererfords were some of the first "exotics" that were imported to cross with what was here already, mostly angus in the northern states, herefords in the western ones, both "english" breeds.

Some of the first charolais were very big, a bit harder to handle than english breeds and the first lines brought in a cattle hemophilia gene.
When you made steers of the bulls, you would find some that were hard to keep from bleeding and even died.

Then they started importing chianinas from Italy and a better cross with angus.
A friend had some of the first "chi" bulls and sold 4H calves off them.
Eventually, the best first cross with Angus was determined to be limousin.

Since charolais was one of the first ones of those imported "exotic" continental breeds, there seem to be the most of them.
When crossed with angus, many calves are all hues of tannish gray colors.
There is, or was a charolais breeder for many decades now in Eastern NM, Gray Charolais, that was said to have some very nice ones.
Since this was mostly hereford country, his customers tended to be more from East of here.

Today you can practically get any AI type gene mixture, that will give you exactly the percentages of breeds you like to use for your area.

English breeds are generally quick to get fat and adding some exotic to the calves produced a better calf, some of those breeds more than others.

spinandslide
Mar. 13, 2012, 02:22 PM
Bear in mind too..outside of what others have mentioned..Ive found the Char's dont "sell" as well in the south as in the north..same unfortunantly with Simmental's (one of my most favorite breeds..:) )..seems certain "types" of cattle sell better in certain areas then others..

Granted, the cow market is soaring now..and I dont know what your ultimate goal for your cattle is..

Herefords are a pretty good docile breed..IMO, the most docile breed out there (outside of Sim's..but Sim's are HUMUNGOUS!)..

You may visit "Cattle Today" and speak with some folks from your area for contacts for any cattle.

wireweiners
Mar. 13, 2012, 02:32 PM
Charolais bulls on Brangus cows are still a popular cross around here. You need a bit of Brahma to handle the heat and humidity plus they seem to have better milk production and mothering ability than straight Angus. The Angus helps to finish faster and adds marbling to the beef while the Charolais adds size and muscling.

When I was in ag school, years ago, we were taught that the best 3 way cross was Brahma x English (usually Angus or Hereford) female crossed to an exotic bull with Charolais, Simmental and Limousin being the most popular. Chianinas didn't last too long as an exotic cross because they were so big and so heavily muscled, they often caused calving problems.

We had some American White Park cows a while back. They were awesome mother cows and produced some awesome calves crossed to Charolais bulls. They were very gentle and easy to work with too. When we bought the cows they were bred to Brahma bulls. We kept the White Park/Brahma cross heifers and they were really the best mama cows I've ever been around. Pretty to look at, great producers and very gentle.

Tamara in TN
Mar. 13, 2012, 02:47 PM
had to laugh as the last pen of long tailed baby doll angus we had thru the pens were nutty as hell...one even tried to BITE the guy ear tagging him....who knew cows could bite ?? :lol:;)

the Charolais should be about 1600 pounds and have enough "mama" in them to object loudly when someone comes around their babies....the range raised ones will charge wolves or bears and humans are fair game as well in calving season....:yes:

Range bred mama's made up most of the herd that was here when we were married....almost 150 strong...this farm was known for it's bull crop every year and now and then,when we are traveling,some old man in a cafe will remember us and talk (randomly) about "the best white bull he ever bought"(good stuff that) :)

Tamara

spinandslide
Mar. 13, 2012, 02:50 PM
^^Ah, the Super Baldy's..(BrimmerxHereford)..yep, I imagine that would be a darn nice crossed back on a Simmi..or even Char..and I am not a char fan..;)

you are right in alittle "ear" helps the cattle weather the heat better..why I mentioned Char's not being popular, at least in my area..and the simmi's too..they dont "do" well in the heat..during our summers, my brangus girls are out grazing while the char's up the road sit panting under the mesquites or wallow in the stockpond..

But, if you are catering to a market outside of "general sales"..really doesnt matter what cattle you raise..to an extent of course..laypeople have an obsession with black cattle..they've been programed to beleive that black =better..

Tamara in TN
Mar. 13, 2012, 02:54 PM
But, if you are catering to a market outside of "general sales"..really doesnt matter what cattle you raise..to an extent of course..laypeople have an obsession with black cattle..they've been programed to beleive that black =better..

yes the black hide sells better every time...the Charolais do so much better in the ice and snow...wet cold and ice and the babies would plop out ready to get a drink and play:lol::eek:

damndest thing I ever did see

Tamara

SmartAlex
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:00 PM
My stepfather raises red Devons. They are small and the ones he has are docile.

"Black is better" is due in large part to great marketing by the Angus assoc. They've convinced all of America the black=Angus even if it isn't true. I never thought about the hides selling better, but that makes sense.

spinandslide
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:03 PM
marketing giant the Angus Assoc. is..;)

I imagine the Char's thrive in the cold..2 years ago, during our freak ice and snow storms, my poor brangus were not happy..they don't grow much hair, even in the winter..and were plain miserable til it warmed up..once it's warm, they are fine..funny how different breeds thrive in different areas based on their genetic attributes..

Bluey
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:05 PM
My stepfather raises red Devons. They are small and the ones he has are docile.

"Black is better" is due in large part to great marketing by the Angus assoc. They've convinced all of America the black=Angus even if it isn't true. I never thought about the hides selling better, but that makes sense.

Not really, there are millions of records showing that angus outperform all other cattle as beef cattle and the CAB program has pushed that, but honestly.

No one has to believe it, just keep your own records and you will see.
Now, if you can leave money on the table, if cattle are a bit of a hobby or you just like other breeds better, or fits better with what you do, that is ok.

No one will dispute that, for what the beef markets considers best, angus is that.
That is the same reason when someone wants a real herding dog, they get a dog with heavy border collie influence, or a dressage horse for competition, they don't have to go thru thousands of TBs to find that one that can go to the top there, but get one bred for that.

Tamara in TN
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:08 PM
My stepfather raises red Devons. They are small and the ones he has are docile.

"Black is better" is due in large part to great marketing by the Angus assoc. They've convinced all of America the black=Angus even if it isn't true. I never thought about the hides selling better, but that makes sense.

Well in the 1950's the American Angus Assoc started keeping EPD's...well ahead of all the other folks out there....and they bred specifically for tenderness traits...

do I think "certified angus" means a damn? not normally...but when I can look at a pen of feeders and <x> grade Prime and those <x> are trait bred Angus then I have an understanding of the genetics a bit better...meat for me is a luxury...even as I grow and raise my own for me and mine...so the care I take with the animals will be extreme and the product had better be as well or I will be disappointed in ME ;)


Tamara

spinandslide
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:22 PM
It has come to mean "quality" to many..and in alot of senses, it IS..I dont think any other "breed" out there has kept records and done the "legwork" the Angus Assoc has, in regards to quality control and "what are you getting."

An interesting read..(just go past the part about "aging" beef)
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2219/whats-the-big-deal-about-aged-beef-and-angus-beef

Then again, it depends on what your tastes are..we have an excellent resturant up in Meers, OK that serves EXCLUSIVELY longhorn burgers (as big as your plate no doubt!)..low fat meat..depends on the individual's tastes and preferences.

SmartAlex
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:23 PM
Angus may very well be superior beef, but when I walked into the Ohio State Fair one year and saw that all the Simmentals were now black instead of red or chocolate spotted, and I asked an exhibitor WTH happened they said that anything that walks through the slaughter house door that has 70% or better black hide can be certified Angus and therefore command a higher price I smelled some bureaucratic BS and it wasn't on the bottom of my shoe. :D

poniesinthenight
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:27 PM
Check out British White Cattle. Very nice temperament and not huge. Can give you the email of a gentleman who is super nice in AL if you get that far.

dressagedevon
Mar. 13, 2012, 03:33 PM
Then again, it depends on what your tastes are..we have an excellent resturant up in Meers, OK that serves EXCLUSIVELY longhorn burgers (as big as your plate no doubt!)..low fat meat..depends on the individual's tastes and preferences.

This is very true! We slaughtered our longhorn bull and the was the leanest tastiest meat we have ever had! Everyone I gave meat to loved it. Will miss it when it is all gone.

spinandslide
Mar. 13, 2012, 04:15 PM
I have not made it up to Meer's yet..and Ive lived here for years! Keep meaning to take my mother..;)

Ive had longhorn burgers before..pretty tasty..to me, I do use seasonings..and I feel when one does that..the "taste" of the beef gets sqewed to an extent..

wireweiners
Mar. 13, 2012, 04:18 PM
Angus may very well be superior beef, but when I walked into the Ohio State Fair one year and saw that all the Simmentals were now black instead of red or chocolate spotted, and I asked an exhibitor WTH happened they said that anything that walks through the slaughter house door that has 70% or better black hide can be certified Angus and therefore command a higher price I smelled some bureaucratic BS and it wasn't on the bottom of my shoe. :D

This. That's why a lot of folks down here use Braford or Beefmaster females crossed on black Simmental bulls. You get the black color with very little ear that brings a premium but you get more size than with straight Angus. I will give the Angus folks credit. They have improved their genetics a great deal since the 50's but I still don't think Angus beef is a great as they claim it is.

Bluey, I had to laugh at your description of the range mamas. The guy that is leasing our place has some Charlais cross cows. I was going to feed the other day and one of the Catahoula dogs was just loping along beside the truck. A bunch of the calves got curious and started to follow him. Then their mamas came over, saw the dog and started after him. Poor old Spud nearly got stomped and he wasn't doing anything but minding his own business. I had to rescue him from all those curious calves and their over protective moms.

spinandslide
Mar. 13, 2012, 04:23 PM
^^Troublemaking Calves!
But GOOD mommas! Poor Spud..hope he wasnt to worst for wear.

spinandslide
Mar. 13, 2012, 04:25 PM
BTW, here is the website to the meer's restaurant..yeah, don't eat for about a week before ya go..
http://www.meersstore.com/menu.html