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AlterEgoGirl
Mar. 4, 2012, 11:34 PM
I've had quite the discussion going with a friend of mine lately over whether you can show in the hunters at rated shows in rust breeches and/or brown field boots (obviously not in classes requiring formal attire). She insists that, even though there is no rule specifically prohibiting such classic timeless items of attire, if you dared appear in a show ring dressed as such the judge would be so horrified you'd never see a ribbon (that is if you didn't get laughed off the show grounds first). I've searched, and there are several threads that reference riders wearing - and pinning in - rust and/or brown boots in hunter classes, but they don't often mention an actual name or if they do I can't find pictures. Can anyone help me out, or at least point me in the right direction for searching? :D

ElisLove
Mar. 4, 2012, 11:36 PM
Never have I seen anyone show in rust color breeches or brown boots (though I think brown boots are starting to show up on a very few really rich girls, only seen in pics from the states) and I only show A rated and show quite a bit.

Credosporthorses
Mar. 5, 2012, 02:09 AM
IMHO there is nothing wrong with rust breeches and brown boots. I am actually dying to get a pair of brown boots.

Seal Harbor
Mar. 5, 2012, 03:23 AM
The proper color for field boots is brown. The black field boots appeared in the 80's, at horse shows only. Rust breeches are just as proper.

My first pair of custom Dehner field boots were brown, subsequent pairs have been black, the difference is a decade. Don't show up fox hunting in black field boots they are not correct.

There is no problem with wearing either, if you want to stand out from everyone else on a bay horse. It will give the judge something to mark on their card next to your number to help them remember which one you were. Unless your trip was so fabulous or so horrific that they don't need any extra notes.

Rel6
Mar. 5, 2012, 03:31 AM
I feel like rust breeches and brown boots fall into the category of go for it, but you will stand out. Along with paint horses, breastplates, white rubber reins (jumpers only!), a subtle clipped heart on a horse's butt, and probably some other recent topics I'm missing.

If you can lay down a nice trip it won't matter what you look like (barring something that falls under "unconventional tack" or that comes across as disrespectful to the judge.) In fact, it might make the judge take a second look at your flawless course. On the other hand, when you miss that lead change or break in a hack the judge isn't going to miss it.

westie55
Mar. 5, 2012, 06:36 AM
I have never seen this combination at any A or AA show but it is not illegal so is permissible. I personally am not confident enough to go for that look! I did see a couple pairs of brown boots at WEF this year, though neither were with rust breeches.

wntrwhte
Mar. 5, 2012, 06:41 AM
Not the hunters, but Meredith Michaels- Beerbaum wore brown boots in the Fidelity GP, I think.

War Admiral
Mar. 5, 2012, 06:48 AM
I feel like rust breeches and brown boots fall into the category of go for it, but you will stand out.

...And why would you NOT want to stand out?

It's a horse SHOW, not a lesson!! :)

OP, look for photos of Maggie Jayne winning Maclay (or was it Medal?) finals. She rocked the rust at one or the other.

Seal Harbor is completely correct. The look was oxblood brown field boots, rust breeches, brown hat/belt/gloves. And at the hunt near me, you actually have to call the Hunt Secretary or MFH to get permission to hunt in black field boots. Permission will be granted but with no great enthusiasm.

monalisa
Mar. 5, 2012, 07:18 AM
My old trainer would not let me wear my rust breeches to show in at an A show. I have worn them however at a local show. We used to ride in brown field boots and rust breeches in the 70's. I have not seen anyone wearing brown field boots at a show since then. Also love the Pytchley coats with the velvet collars and gold buttons. Have not seen them either since the 70's. (I did not ride in the 80's) so I don't know if they were around then.

ponymom64
Mar. 5, 2012, 09:03 AM
My daughter showed in rust breeches quite frequently at both A and AA shows the last few years and when she laid down a nice trip and the horse jumped well, she got a good jog.

AlterEgoGirl
Mar. 5, 2012, 09:52 AM
I have never seen this combination at any A or AA show but it is not illegal so is permissible. I personally am not confident enough to go for that look! I did see a couple pairs of brown boots at WEF this year, though neither were with rust breeches.

I don't mean it necessarily has to be both together, I said rust and/or brown boots :)

AlterEgoGirl
Mar. 5, 2012, 09:55 AM
OP, look for photos of Maggie Jayne winning Maclay (or was it Medal?) finals. She rocked the rust at one or the other.

Do you know what year that would have been?

AlterEgoGirl
Mar. 5, 2012, 10:01 AM
My daughter showed in rust breeches quite frequently at both A and AA shows the last few years and when she laid down a nice trip and the horse jumped well, she got a good jog.

Do you have any photos? :)

Trixie
Mar. 5, 2012, 10:28 AM
Those of you who have "never seen it" have obviously not been around for very long.

Here's my horse at Upperville (http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL936/3762429/10699451/154189625.jpg). Black boots, not brown, but only because I didn't have my brown ones then.

ponymom64
Mar. 5, 2012, 12:10 PM
Do you have any photos? :)

I do but my photo site is blocked from my work machine - I will see what I can do ;)

GreyHunterHorse
Mar. 5, 2012, 01:07 PM
I was just at an A rated show in Zone 3 this weekend, and one of the pros was showing in rust breeches. Looked nice.

2bayboys
Mar. 5, 2012, 01:16 PM
The first pic in my signature line. We were neither laughed off the show grounds nor denied any ribbons.

Would love some brown field boots. Yum.

Lucassb
Mar. 5, 2012, 01:25 PM
Rust is really not all that uncommon; brown boots probably less common but not unheard of. Like any less common combination, it does help you stand out in the sea of tan - that can be good or bad depending on the round in question. I personally do not believe that any judge would refuse to use a rider wearing rust and/or brown and never felt I was penalized in any way when I wore mine. Sadly my pretty Cordovan field boots no longer fit, or I'd be wearing them still. :(

I wore rust with a navy coat a lot on this particular horse (although here we are doing a jumper class as a warmup.) Sorry it's a bit blurry - this is all I had on my laptop.

AlyssaSpellman
Mar. 5, 2012, 01:39 PM
http://tmblr.co/ZE5mKxE4F_qE
http://tmblr.co/ZE5mKxE331y-
http://tmblr.co/ZE5mKxD-nDOP
http://tmblr.co/ZE5mKxDtqJ26

I stumbled across these the other day while looking around blogs - and I honestly think this looks absolutely lovely with the rusts and navy coat on her gorgeous horse. :)
I also know of a girl who's entire barn shows in rusts, every rider at every show (hunters, jumpers, and eq on the A/AA circuit).
I've worn rusts with black, navy, and grey coats. Rust breeches are traditional, and I personally love them. A lot.

As for brown boots, I have a really hard time finding boots that fit, and the only ones I've found that do don't come in brown. However I went through a stage (for 11 years) where I refused to ride in black boots/chaps at home and demanded that they be brown. :lol: I recently settled for black because they were the only ones in the store at the time, and my others had a hole in the sole.

ponymom64
Mar. 5, 2012, 02:15 PM
Here are some photos:

With a black coat
http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/ponymom64/?action=view&current=cb3cedd4.jpg

And with a taupe jacket
http://s55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/ponymom64/?action=view&current=f8d28b18.jpg

Posting from my phone, so hope that works

ElisLove
Mar. 5, 2012, 02:34 PM
Those of you who have "never seen it" have obviously not been around for very long.


What's your definition of 'very long' since we are talking about wearing rust breeches in the current show ring trends?
I have been showing for 13 years, 90% of those shows A-circuit, and often 1-2 shows a month for 7 months of the year, don't believe I have EVER seen it. Am I saying don't do it, or 'ew it's hideous' or that you should be marked down? No. But around here you WOULD be the only one to do it, and it personally is not my style and it looks very retro to my eye.

ponymom64
Mar. 5, 2012, 03:02 PM
What's your definition of 'very long' since we are talking about wearing rust breeches in the current show ring trends?
I have been showing for 13 years, 90% of those shows A-circuit, and often 1-2 shows a month for 7 months of the year, don't believe I have EVER seen it. Am I saying don't do it, or 'ew it's hideous' or that you should be marked down? No. But around here you WOULD be the only one to do it, and it personally is not my style and it looks very retro to my eye.

We showed on the A/AA with the rust breeches for at least the last 3 years and frequently, my DD *was* the only one wearing them but she liked the look and their turnout was always impeccable, so it was never an issue. And as I said, when she rode well and the horse jumped well, they were used appropriately.

I'm not sure whether she will show in them in the future, as she is riding IHSA at school, where it is not permitted for a team member and a green horse for an owner at home and feels like a more conservative approach is best ;) since she is just the rider....

Trixie
Mar. 5, 2012, 03:09 PM
We weren't necessarily talking about the current trend - the question seemed to be referencing whether you can show in them and if it is permissable - or would you be laughed off the show grounds/somehow disqualified from the ribbons?

The answer to that is of course that rust will not make you a pariah, and that yes, it's around, although obviously, not as frequently as tan. It is still a traditional color, so just because it isn't as frequently seen does not make it incorrect.

FWIW, I've seen it and worn it around here (Virginia) - within the last 13 years, both at A shows and locally. Obviously, it isn't the trendy color, but it's not gone.

Dapple Grey
Mar. 5, 2012, 03:17 PM
They are perfectly acceptable to show in and look great with a navy jacket. Although beige is the most popular, it is not uncommon to see them at the shows.

caughtintheact
Mar. 5, 2012, 03:47 PM
I show my bay mare in rusts with (dark) brown field boots. I've only done C shows with her so far, but as far as I know it hasn't affected our placings. I'm actually just a tad obsessed with my rusts and have seven pairs so far. :lol:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/301347_2067528084591_1136474613_31804174_283345826 _n.jpg
gray jacket

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/318577_2067455762783_1136474613_31803988_118014039 1_n.jpg
darker pair with the gray jacket (it was a stormy day, so they look a bit darker in this picture than in real life)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/316618_2182790366076_1136474613_31891747_111279821 2_n.jpg
the same darker pair with a navy jacket (dark covered ring, not completely representative of the color)

vagabondrider
Mar. 5, 2012, 06:02 PM
I remember when I was a kid seeing rust breeches at shows. Probably the same era as dark green hunt coats. Late 80's/early 90's?

Rendaivu
Mar. 6, 2012, 12:28 AM
Brown boots, two years ago. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=584081844332&set=a.589522226762.2134758.119101720&type=3&theater

RedRogue
Mar. 6, 2012, 12:45 AM
I love both rust breeches and brown boots!! My next pair will definitely be brown, and I will buy them before my black ones die so I can use both as I see fit. I feel like once I start wearing them I may never go back though!!

Also, I reeaallly want these:

http://www.lacasadelasbotas.com.ar/ampliacion.php?producto_id=15

*sigh*

AlterEgoGirl
Mar. 6, 2012, 09:47 AM
Brown boots, two years ago. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=584081844332&set=a.589522226762.2134758.119101720&type=3&theater

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westie55
Mar. 6, 2012, 09:54 AM
Those of you who have "never seen it" have obviously not been around for very long.

Here's my horse at Upperville (http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL936/3762429/10699451/154189625.jpg). Black boots, not brown, but only because I didn't have my brown ones then.

When I said I never see it, I meant nowadays. I saw it all the time in the early 90s... but I think the OP is asking whether this look is seen NOW. And no, I don't really see rust breeches and brown boots now at A and AA shows, which is what she asked about. These are just my observations, for whatever they're worth!

Everythingbutwings
Mar. 6, 2012, 10:08 AM
If I recall correctly, Trixie wasn't the only one in the ring at Upperville wearing rust. It's a great look on a plain bay tb.

Perhaps we see it more around here at the older, classic showgrounds. Nostalgia (besides, it makes for great photos) :)

Snoball 1
Mar. 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
Back in the early 90's rust TS's came into vogue(for about a month). I wore them at some big rated FLA shows in the hunters. My BNT really didn't like it, but allowed it because a few of us AO's were into it. Must have known we'd drop it quickly(LOL).

Navy Blue herring bone Grand Prix coat, black Vogel field boots, Rust TS's, and matched shirt on a bay looked sharp IMO....

Bottom line- keep your trainer happy though.

vxf111
Mar. 6, 2012, 12:51 PM
Rust is not common but it is ocassionally seen in my area. I cannot recall seeing brown boots but I *love* them. I think they're harder to find/more of an investment than rust breeches and perhaps that's why the breeches make an apperance more often,

If I could find a distance with a map and get my changes, I'd show in rust/brown. I have a loffly set and a brown hunt coat and helmet to go with.

Rendaivu
Mar. 6, 2012, 02:26 PM
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fordtraktor
Mar. 6, 2012, 02:32 PM
Not an A show but I wore rust in a Joe Fargis clinic last summer and think they look really nice and classic on my black horse: http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2374315550053911905tgQduT

Here is rust in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frhqu8mcgZ8&list=UUW_oPSwYAYh9l6SDYXsyahw&index=10&feature=plcp

Being dark, they are more, um, flattering to this mom, whose belly is no longer such that I enjoy wearing beige tights in public.

TheHorseProblem
Mar. 6, 2012, 03:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=WU4kWir4g_w&NR=1

This is from a jumper class at Thermal. I think the brown boots and helmet look stunning, especially riding a chestnut.

fordtraktor
Mar. 6, 2012, 03:52 PM
Your link isn't working, THP.

TheHorseProblem
Mar. 6, 2012, 03:54 PM
Your link isn't working, THP.

try again

kookicat
Mar. 6, 2012, 06:14 PM
Love brown boots, but the rust breeches do nothing for me. They just look odd... (maybe I'm too used to seeing cream/almond/whatever.)

ParadoxFarm
Mar. 6, 2012, 07:08 PM
THP and fordtraktor...great videos. You both look great! Love those brown boots. THP that's a beautiful venue. Where exactly is it?

Promise No More
Mar. 6, 2012, 07:22 PM
This thread makes me feel old.... Plenty of us used to show in rust breeches and even hunter green jackets with the rust breeches at the big A shows back East.

And when I rode in the UK I LOVED the tweed jackets and the hunt coats with velvet collars and piping! I actually came home and kept my tweed hacking jacket for schooling and small A shows cause I liked the color so much :)

Frizzle
Mar. 6, 2012, 09:00 PM
GM wears rust breeches; therefore, they are "acceptable." :winkgrin:

Not a look I would personally rock, though. On the other hand, I am *dying* for a pair of brown field boots! So lovely with beige breeches and a dark bay or chestnut horse. One of the dressage ladies at my barn has a pair of very dark blue dress boots, which are also gorgeous and subtle and fashion-forward.

Tha Ridge
Mar. 6, 2012, 10:03 PM
I showed in the 3'6" (all at A/AA shows) in rust a few years ago. I can't believe so many people are saying they "never see it."

TheHorseProblem
Mar. 7, 2012, 12:07 AM
THP and fordtraktor...great videos. You both look great! Love those brown boots. THP that's a beautiful venue. Where exactly is it?

The video says it's Thermal, which I think just wrapped up. That is not me, by the way. That's just a sales video I saw on another thread here, and I couldn't help but notice the brown boots and helmet. I know it's a jumper class, but it looks great.

AlyssaSpellman
Mar. 7, 2012, 01:31 AM
Not an A show but I wore rust in a Joe Fargis clinic last summer and think they look really nice and classic on my black horse: http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2374315550053911905tgQduT

Here is rust in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frhqu8mcgZ8&list=UUW_oPSwYAYh9l6SDYXsyahw&index=10&feature=plcp

Being dark, they are more, um, flattering to this mom, whose belly is no longer such that I enjoy wearing beige tights in public.

I've never realized how fantastic rusts look on black horses. :eek:
When I win the lottery, maybe I'll buy myself one to wear rusts on. ;)

monalisa
Mar. 7, 2012, 05:57 AM
OK, I have a black horse and the rust TS. Next time out, rust here we come!

bumknees
Mar. 7, 2012, 06:42 AM
I remember when just about everyone had rust. Trainers being kept happy.. ? No how about client happy trainer paid to teach not to run life...
Anyway rust looks good on most colors of horses there are some/ very few in which it doesnt.
If I could find rust in my size that was not side zip and not a butt load of $$$ I'd buy more than one pair right now. But cant seem to find any my size sidezip or not, not even on ebay.

ShaSamour
Mar. 7, 2012, 07:35 AM
... If I could find rust in my size that was not side zip and not a butt load of $$$ I'd buy more than one pair right now. But cant seem to find any my size sidezip or not, not even on ebay.

I just found this yesterday at SmartPak: custom-order TS breeches, and one of the color options is RUST! They're not even more expensive than the stock TS Trophy Hunters, and you can select front-zip, side-zip, low-rise or mid-rise (yipee!).

http://www.smartpakequine.com/custom-tailored-sportsman-breeches-9912p.aspx?cm_vc=Search

Hmmmm... TS Trophy Hunter Size-Zip Mid-Rise in Rust? I know what I'm ordering when I get my bonus in two weeks....

bumknees
Mar. 7, 2012, 07:49 AM
I just found this yesterday at SmartPak: custom-order TS breeches, and one of the color options is RUST! They're not even more expensive than the stock TS Trophy Hunters, and you can select front-zip, side-zip, low-rise or mid-rise (yipee!).

http://www.smartpakequine.com/custom-tailored-sportsman-breeches-9912p.aspx?cm_vc=Search

Hmmmm... TS Trophy Hunter Size-Zip Mid-Rise in Rust? I know what I'm ordering when I get my bonus in two weeks....


Thanks!
which selection is rust? maybe Im getting color blind as I get older also...:no:

bumknees
Mar. 7, 2012, 07:52 AM
wait found 'em...
http://www.smartpakequine.com/the-tailored-sportsman-ts-lowrise-breech-2555p.aspx?cm_vc=Search

ponymom64
Mar. 7, 2012, 08:27 AM
I just found this yesterday at SmartPak: custom-order TS breeches, and one of the color options is RUST! They're not even more expensive than the stock TS Trophy Hunters, and you can select front-zip, side-zip, low-rise or mid-rise (yipee!).

http://www.smartpakequine.com/custom-tailored-sportsman-breeches-9912p.aspx?cm_vc=Search

Hmmmm... TS Trophy Hunter Size-Zip Mid-Rise in Rust? I know what I'm ordering when I get my bonus in two weeks....

My DD has a pair of the TS Trophy Hunters, side zip low rise in Rust that Rose from EquusNow found for her - they look really smart ;)

eclipse
Mar. 7, 2012, 12:03 PM
Well seeing as people are showing in grey breeches and brown breeches, then rust shouldn't be a big deal either!

I've got some light brown breeches that I showed in the hunters wearing (with a chocolate brown jacket it looked awesome) and I show at Gold shows (A, AA) and it never affected my placing

Crown Royal
Mar. 7, 2012, 12:14 PM
How would rust breeches with black boots and a black/gray helmet look on a chestnut in the hunter ring? What color jacket/shirt would you wear?

ponymom64
Mar. 7, 2012, 12:16 PM
How would rust breeches with black boots and a black/gray helmet look on a chestnut in the hunter ring? What color jacket/shirt would you wear?

I posted some links to photos earlier in the thread - rust, black boots and assorted jackets on a chestnut

Crown Royal
Mar. 7, 2012, 12:31 PM
I posted some links to photos earlier in the thread - rust, black boots and assorted jackets on a chestnut

Ohhh very nice! I like the black jacket best.

I also loveee the ones AlyssaSpellman found of someone (especially this (http://haliegraham.tumblr.com/post/15103683854)). Hmm...I think I must get those custom Trophy Hunter TS's in a front zip in rust, and a jacket that shade of navy! What jacket do you think most closely resembles that shade of blue, and is she wearing a very light blue shirt? Drool.

JohnGalt
Mar. 20, 2012, 06:39 PM
OP - Look at the cover of Hunter Seat Equitation or simply find a pic of George Morris. There is an 80% chance you will see both rust breeches and brown boots in the same photo. More importantly, however, if you like them, wear them. Obviously not in the derby, medal, etc. but why not in a regular hunter class? There is way too much fuss over what's trendy and what isn't and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. If a judge won't pin someone over rust breeches or brown boots, that judge shouldn't be carrying a card in the first place. Sadly, I had to retire my brown boots but I still have a couple pair of rust breeches and I don't care what anyone thinks - I wear them because I like them. Be yourself! Life is too short to be intimidated by trends. Let's bring them back into vogue!

Seal Harbor
Mar. 20, 2012, 07:01 PM
Never have I seen anyone show in rust color breeches or brown boots (though I think brown boots are starting to show up on a very few really rich girls, only seen in pics from the states) and I only show A rated and show quite a bit.

You aren't old enough. This was normal in the 70's. My first pair of custom Dehners were brown field boots, that was 1973, and I wore rust breeches then too.

Hunter Mom
Mar. 20, 2012, 07:28 PM
There is a KC area pro who frequently shows in rust breeches. She pins just fine.

As a slightly curvy adult, I'd love to have them, too. Whomever thought that skin tight beige was a good idea really was sick in the head!

justix
Mar. 20, 2012, 10:55 PM
Back in the early 80's rust britches, white shirt and navy coat was the most common outfit of the equitation and hunter rings. There should be lots of photos! No brown boots, however. These were acceptable In the hunt field, but not in theshow ring, although I agree, I do not think that there is a specific rule against brown boots

intrepid
Mar. 21, 2012, 09:00 AM
Back in the early 80's rust britches, white shirt and navy coat was the most common outfit of the equitation and hunter rings. There should be lots of photos! No brown boots, however. These were acceptable In the hunt field, but not in theshow ring, although I agree, I do not think that there is a specific rule against brown boots


I believe TS is specifically looking for current photos :)

BAC
Mar. 21, 2012, 11:16 AM
. . . She insists that, even though there is no rule specifically prohibiting such classic timeless items of attire, if you dared appear in a show ring dressed as such the judge would be so horrified you'd never see a ribbon (that is if you didn't get laughed off the show grounds first).

What BS! I don't have time to search but within the last couple of years there was a picture in COTH of Danny Robertshaw in his rust breeches winning a championship in the hunters at a AA show. Right around the same time another BNT on the West Coast won the Young Hunter Championship in CA (can't remember the exact name of the event) wearing rust breeches as well. And what about George Morris? Does your friend really think any judge is going to not pin him when he wears his favorite rust breeches? GM has never stopped wearing rust. There are lots of other examples of people showing successfully in rust breeches.

lomo
Mar. 22, 2012, 02:40 PM
glad to know I'm not the only one with a brown boot obsession! I would love a pair, and one of the brown CO helmets to go with! * Le sigh *.......now if I could just have the money!

janedoe726
Mar. 24, 2012, 09:14 PM
Here's one from today. No, it's not an A show (it was actually the horse's first show ever and he was soooo good!!), but I think the rust are just smashing on a palomino!!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3068876480028&set=a.3068859279598.2134657.1207066624&type=3&theater

ifiwereyou
Mar. 24, 2012, 09:57 PM
This isn't at a show, but here are my brown Dehner's I got on Ebay for a mere $150 :D

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1949974080/386643_10150917868855296_509115295_21433800_933646 641_n.jpg

mypaintwattie
Mar. 26, 2012, 05:09 PM
I love wearing rust breeches, and wear them proudly with brown boots. If I'm feeling daring I'll wear a green coat too, along with a velvet helmet. I don't mind standing out, after all, I have a very loud paint :-)

I'll post some pics later when I'm on a computer.

asb_own_me
Mar. 26, 2012, 06:24 PM
glad to know I'm not the only one with a brown boot obsession! I would love a pair, and one of the brown CO helmets to go with! * Le sigh *.......now if I could just have the money!

I have the brown CO GR8 (actually the brown/tan stripe....http://www.smartpakequine.com/charles-owen-gr8-helmet-2415p.aspx) and want to get brown boots. Drooling over the Der Dau options at the moment.

I stopped by Dehner today (in Omaha for business) but I'd really prefer a square toe and they don't make them like that.