Anyone else disturbed about the "horse psychic"?

[CHJoker]

Or, should I say, Is anyone else amazed at how gullible some people are? For me, it is nothing short of amazing that people are actually believing in "animal communicators", but over the internet? And this "noralee" continually dropping hints about how "poor" she is, and someone else (maybe "noralee" herself, under a different name) telling people they should pony up 25 bucks or more per "reading". UNBELIEVABLE. Is anyone else sharing my amazement? Or is this really a serious thing in the US? Because, it sure as h*** isn't happening here in Switzerland. If you run around telling people your "animal psychic" or "communicator" or whatever, said your horse, dog, cat, whatever is trying to communicate, you could end up with a one way ticket into the looney bin. Perhaps not a bad idea. haahaa. That being said, in the UK, there is a "animal psychic" who had a show on TV, but it was (for me) almost unwatchable, because it was such nonsense (she never had anything right, it was ALWAYS feeding off of whatever the owner told her.)

So, what do you all think about this (surprisingly popular) "internet animal communicator"?

[CHJoker]

Or, should I say, Is anyone else amazed at how gullible some people are? For me, it is nothing short of amazing that people are actually believing in "animal communicators", but over the internet? And this "noralee" continually dropping hints about how "poor" she is, and someone else (maybe "noralee" herself, under a different name) telling people they should pony up 25 bucks or more per "reading". UNBELIEVABLE. Is anyone else sharing my amazement? Or is this really a serious thing in the US? Because, it sure as h*** isn't happening here in Switzerland. If you run around telling people your "animal psychic" or "communicator" or whatever, said your horse, dog, cat, whatever is trying to communicate, you could end up with a one way ticket into the looney bin. Perhaps not a bad idea. haahaa. That being said, in the UK, there is a "animal psychic" who had a show on TV, but it was (for me) almost unwatchable, because it was such nonsense (she never had anything right, it was ALWAYS feeding off of whatever the owner told her.)

So, what do you all think about this (surprisingly popular) "internet animal communicator"?

[vxf111]

I don't think it's much of a secret how I feel about it. And several other people spoke up as well on the thread. If people are dead set on believing, they'll believe come hell or high water. As long as it's free... I *guess* no harm is done (although some people are getting so distressed and upset, I think maybe some harm IS being done).

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[Pixie Dust]

Hey, a lot of people around here believe in annimal communicators. There was an animal communicator at the Horse Expo last year. I thought it was pretty interesting.

The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

[Oakleigh]

Yep. Amazing is a good word for it.

I think PT Barnum summed it up well when he said "There is a sucker born every minute."

I can't tolerate watching the one on tv for even a minute. It makes my stomach go into a knot. Amazing that people lap it up...

Hmmmm, I'm thinking I'm getting vibes from one of YOUR horses. He's telling you to send me $100 so he can speak through me...

Oakleigh

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[CHJoker]

I agree, and really, if people are that silly, so be it. BUT, I am really amazed that it has been allowed to be continued. She/he? (you never know) keeps dropping all of these hints about how tired and poor she is, etc, etc, and she has a paypal address convienently set up to accept "donations". If it were just for fun, or some sort of disclaimer, but I think people are taking this seriously, and I think they are sending her money too. You see those news reports about people who lose their life savings through scams and con artists, and I think we are seeing first hand how easily it happens. All it takes is a person willing to believe, ANYTHING. For me, though, it is really a bit scary.

[JulieMontgomery]

vfx111, what thread are you referring to?

And FWIW, that one does more than just drop "hints".... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ....there are suckers born every moment, and will be until the end of time.

Lucky for him/her/it....

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
Author Unknown....

[vxf111]

JulieMontgomery, this is the thread (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=5206053911&m=105608001) in all of its glory.

And just to clarify, I am not referring to individuals who actually go to the horse in person, read his nonverbals, check out his living conditions, watch him move, and then give advice. That's a form of communication, and as far as I am concerned-- very valid. Some people are just more observant/ knowledgeable than others and we can benefit from their personal observation of our animals.

What I am referring to are people who read the horses mind/soul through thin air (Norahlee has been doing it across the US and across the globe through *vibrations*) and then get "readings." That's very different from reading non-verbals and (in MY opinion) a bunch of hogwash.

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[CHJoker]

Pixie Dust,

Let me tell you a story about my mom. She runs a department in a hospital, and one year, it was up to her to find an "entertainer" for the yearly fund raising fair. Well, she hired a college student to be a fortune teller, and let me tell you how many people REALLY believed her, and wanted to have additional readings with her. She was just feeding back things that were very basic, or that some people blatently told her without realizing it. People came up to my mom and asked her where she found such an amazing psychic.

I think Mr. Barnum was right, Oakleigh. Not only suckers, but people desperate to hear what they want to hear. I guess this explains the popularity of the "psychic friends network". I always thought...someone is calling them, because if they weren't, there would not be all this advertising, because they wouldn't be in business.

[This message was edited by bethkrois on Dec. 22, 2003 at 05:56 PM.]

[Pixie Dust]

Well, I'm sure you'll get some responses from people who have had annimal communicators tell them some interesting things about their horses http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

[JulieMontgomery]

Thanks for the link. I'm almost afraid to read it... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Some of n's comments on several threads have been bizarre to say the least!

But, of course, curiosity will get the best of me!

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
Author Unknown....

[CHJoker]

Pixie, I know http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The problem is, you just never know what is a lucky guess, and what the owners have actually told them without realizing it.

There is no way to actually prove any kind of validity. And if the owner likes what is being said, the more weight she/he will give the "psychic".

They have to believe in the psychic, and attest to their powers, because they really want or need to think that whatever she said was true.

Kind of like cult leaders. And some religions. Uh oh...we won't go there.

[Simkie]

I'm a confirmed skeptic.

But, I'll try anything. So I asked Norahlee about my horses.

She was way off on all three. <shrug> Does it "prove" anything? Nah. But it would have been really kinda cool if she'd been more on the mark.

[CHJoker]

Simkie,

LOL, of course it doesn't prove anything! There is NOTHING to prove!

SHE CANNOT READ YOUR HORSES MIND. PERIOD. But, I , with all my psychic wisdom, can promise you one thing. SHE WANTS YOUR MONEY.

See how good I am ?

[JulieMontgomery]

Good Lord have mercy.... I took a peek. 30+ pages.

I have a dinner engagement... can't start with that thread right now!

Around what page did our esteemed AC get to the fact that PayPal is available? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Or was it the AC's "friend" who suggested a little gratuity would be in order?

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
Author Unknown....

[CHJoker]

Just one more comment before I head for the bed...

vfX111, the person who you are referring to who will watch your horse move, read the nonverbals,etc... I have one of those too. HE IS CALLED MY VET. And, I think that those multiple years spent in vet school, plus all the hands on practise is a bit more valuable than a person who can read my horses mind. But, that's just my opinion. I just think of it as a bit more bang for my buck. But, hey, hire who you want http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Night guys!

Beth

[PeriwinkleBlue]

This is going to be long - sorry in advance.
I didn't call her out on the forum for a few reasons - one being because she wasn't asking for money when I first asked her my questions, and also she's always seemed nice before and I didn't want to embarass her.
But honestly, she was so off the mark it was astounding!
First, she said that my filly Aria misses and remembers me. Okay, believable, but we only knew each other for two weeks before I left, and that was nearly four months ago. AND she's a scatterbrained yearling. Then, she said that Aria "remembers" my father as a "grandfatherly presence". Uh...remembers? You mean, the man that comes out every single day and feeds her and loves on her for me? "Remembering" implies that the person is gone from their life. Aria sees Dad every day!
Then she said that my old mare's (Amiga) soul is now in Aria's body, which is why we're such a good match. She went on to say that horses' souls HATE to be without a body and will do everything in their power to get into another body ASAP. So why did Amiga's soul wait three years to move into Aria's body, if that's the case?
She also said that I saw striking resemblances between Aria and Amiga, and it was because of the afore-mentioned soul. Uhhh...wrong again.
Amiga: very gentle, not aggressive, calm, quiet and mild-mannered.
Aria: pushy, aggressive, knows she's gorgeous and flaunts it, walks all over horses twice her age, and not at ALL mild-mannered.
Then later on, about 15 pages down the thread, I asked her about a mare I had that I had lost contact with awhile ago. She said that mare probably was dead - she wasn't getting anything from her, sorry. I didn't describe the mare or give Norah her name or anything.
Finally, I asked Norah about a "different" mare, in actuality the same one. This time I described her in detail and asked how she was doing.
It took her about 5 pages to answer me, and when she did, she said that this mare (China) has been sending SUCH STRONG signals that all her readings past that page have been off because China's been demanding to be done first. Right, the mare that couldn't be reached when Norah didn't know anything about her.
I have a problem with telling someone she and her horse are not a match, and she should sell said horse so that the mare can find her "true soulmate". I also have a problem with her making someone do expensive x-rays and other tests when the horse has already been extensively checked by a vet, in the exact area she's claiming has problems. (Bone chips in the hock)
Norahlee would say something about a horse, and then when the owner said that wasn't right, she would go back and EDIT HER POST, so that it didn't say what it had before. Sorry, but that right there was the death knell of my believing in her. That's not right.
I am officially a skeptic. There might be some people out there who can do this, but I think it's a lot rarer than some people think.
And sorry this got so long, but I'm kind of glad to have it out of my system. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Portia]

Thanks for the heads-up. I'm pretty sure none of the moderators were aware of the thread, but we'll take a look at it. (Horse Care tends to be pretty non-controversial, but if it is thinly disguised advertising, then that's what it is -- even if it is for an entirely intangible product.)

[free]

A lot of the things that she has said on that thread have been pretty generic...but what worries me is that on this BB ANYONE could go back through recent posts by the person wanting a 'reading', find out a bit about said person's horse, and by reading between the lines, end up sounding like they really had a gift.

Some people view a glass as half full - some view it as half empty ... I spill it!

[lilblackhorse]

well you know? You all get what you pay for. She didn't charge anyone for this-and what are you out? A little bit of time, that's all. Whatever Beth says, this Norahlee never asked for money.

And so what if you got a crappy reading? Skeptics or not, you went for it--so did I, but she quit before she got to me. I figured what the hell, it was worth a shot.

You all would have been all over it had the readings been good-just looking at the other side of things. I for one have gotten a lot out of the book "Straight from the horse's mouth"...it was very fascintating on the subject of animal communication. Think what you want about it, but try to be kind to someone who offered her services after everyone jumped on the fact she said she had some experience. Just an observation.

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[fullmoon fever]

Not bothered by it at all. What does bother me is the people who think they must impose their will on us and have the thread shut down. They assume we're ignorant or stupid and need to be protected from these "charlatans". http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Get a life and stay out of mine.

Perhaps as a Canadian I don't know the interpretation of the US constitution, or whatever, but don't you have free speech there? If people feel like paying for this kind of service, let them. It is THEIR money; they didn't take it out of your pocket.

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[PeriwinkleBlue]

Oh heck, I don't think the thread should be shut down. I didn't see Norahlee begging for money anywhere, just saying she'd be grateful if people would give her some. Heck, I'D be grateful if people would give me money! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
I think that people should have enough sense on their own to not get involved. If they do, then that's their business.
But she was off the mark with my horses, and that's all I feel qualified to comment on.

[AllWeatherGal]

I enjoyed the thread and some of the responses that were made public.

I asked my questions through PT and NL *NEVER* asked me for renumeration or hinted at anything resembling payment.

Whoever she talked to about my questions, it wasn't my horses, the answers didn't fit ... but *shrug* it didn't cause me pain or unhappiness. Not until one of my friends got a really GOOD reply from her horse. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (Again, gratis with no request for renumeration.)

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[foursocks]

Well, I agree the thread should not have been shut down to protect people- they're the ones asking for it, and it's not like it is illegal. But as for authenticity- well, it seems like a fad to me, and fads involving psychics aren't going to get me excited. To my mind, which is supremely sceptical, doing it for fun is one thing, but doing it to try to find out why your horse is afraid of water seems dumb at best and dangerous at worse. Eh, who cares, though- people will believe what they want to, and this hardly seems important enough to get into a snit about...unlike improper spelling- now there is a problem! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that wont change its shape. Jets to Brazil

[vxf111]

For the record, I don't think the thread need to be shut down. But I am genuinely perplexed at why otherwise reasonable people are head over heels for these readings when they're vague at best and dead WRONG at worst. Especially since people are feeling BAD about their horses due to this. And that doesn't seem productive to me.

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[Lauruffian]

One of my favorite local rock stations had a pet "psychic" call in who claimed she could read their pets over the phone ( http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) Of course, they succeeded in making a complete fool of her when she "read" one of the DJ's nonexistent pet dogs.

FTR...I'm a skeptic, but I'd like to believe in this stuff. I've just never seen it done in a way that doesn't look like good ole' fashioned cold reading.

I used to think the world was against me. Now I know better...some of the smaller countries are neutral.

[Applesauce]

I just have one question: If psychics are psychic, how come they haven't won the lottery? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"What the fuh?" -Robby Johnson

[vxf111]

Applesauce, or how come psychics will go out of business and have to close their shops? C'mon, shouldn't they have seen THAT coming??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[deltawave]

I was a vigorous participant in the thread until I was shouted down by all the people who were "stunned" and "amazed" by the incredible readings...stuff like our horses like to be loved, they all have pain (all of them! every last one!), they prefer our undivided attention and really like our company. Sheesh...I think my 3yo son could have guessed the same! ("Mom, Gwennie REALLY LIKES treats, doesn't she?") http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Those who believe were so caught up in the undoubtedly thoughtful but COMPLETELY generic responses that any and all skeptics were immediately dismissed as "closed minded". I'm glad to hear that some people are willing to say how off base some of the readings are. Even if some were "on", I'd wager the "hit rate" was, ohhhh, right around 50% or so. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Did I learn anything from the thread? Yes. I learned that many of us have a POWERFUL desire to do right by our horses, we often have very large burdens of concern/guilt/anxiety over their welfare and the possibility that their lives might not be "ideal". These are fine and admirable feelings. What I really find distressing is a) how people are willing to believe anything in order to have this anxiety or guilt assuaged and b) how it all comes down to money. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

My advice on that thread was to save yourself some guilt, hug your horse and give him/her carrots, do the very best you can by him/her and enjoy him/her. I really doubt the horses are staying up at night trying to get through to us or fretting their lives away like we creatures of "higher intelligence" tend to do.

Want to communicate with horses? Great. Think the thoughts that come to mind are a product of an animal communing with you psychically? Fine. Is it conceivable the thoughts we "receive" are coming from our very own subconscious? Yup. So why pay somebody else's subconscious that doesn't even know your horse?

PLEASE, do one thing for this crusty old skeptic: do a search on the term "cold reading" and look at what's out there dispassionately and with the same "open mind" that we skeptics are accused of not having. If you really look at how that stuff is done, you can see how the heart of a person who wants badly to communicate with someone can quickly be won over by someone who has even a small bit of this talent. That person might even truly believe that they have that talent, and as such I don't really think they're ALL charlatans, only misguided as to the source of their "power". And sadly, in some cases, more than happy to cash in on it... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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[PaintBy#s]

Well the page I wanted Y'all to see, was taken down but the other page she has is a little informative about the AC...

Whether I believe or not? I don't know...

But this is a real live dressage trainer..been to her farm, met the horses, watched her work...never saw the AC session... Just thought I'd share.

I believe she posts here also...in the dressage forum.

http://www.springfever.com/Garden.html

So many sayings about life! The most important? LIVE IT UP!

[AllWeatherGal]

Splash ... last year I contacted this person for a reading ... I wanted to be AT the barn with my horse while we had our phone conversation ... just because I wanted to.

She's a really really nice lady, but gosh ... for being a psychic, we had so many misses--something came up for her, or I was confused about the time, I just gave up.

And Penelope Smith drives too fast in barn areas for me to trust talking to my horse. (My big pet peeve when there are LOTS of novice/beginner riders meandering everywhere.)

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[Two Toofs]

FWIW, I remember reading on another board a few months back about someone joining the board & claiming to be both homeless and an animal communicator and eventually got booted for trying to "scam" board members for $$$

Don't know if it's the same person or related in any way at all, just FWIW....

Two Toofs
(formerly - but still - NDANO)

[JulieMontgomery]

Well, that sounds familiar..... homeless and an AC, huh?

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
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[PaulaM]

The pain in all horses reply came to my inquiry of (I had asked her to "contact" Briana)

I just wanted to find out if 1) her RF leg is doing better than it was and 2) if she did any major damage yesterday to her RH leg and if she thought I should have Dr. Krista out anytime soon for her. I don't think she would have any riding horse type pain as she is only 2 and hasn't been ridden as of yet and won't be until I think she is ready both physically and mentally.

This is Briana's supposed reply to my inquiry:

Yes; no. Doesn't know what really means vet should come out. Feels unable to comment on this. Briana said yes, "there's pain in all horses" not referring to riding pain. It hurts your ears to be cold, it hurts your feet to walk on sharp frozen pieces of ground, it hurts to bump into the building corner -- that's all hurts. Happens all the time.

Now, do I really believe this is the response from my 2 1/2 year old filly, how has been babied since the middle of July? Not really, I am really very skeptical of this reading. BTW, I do believe that certain individuals may be very intuitive when it comes to communicating with animals, I am just not sure if she was connecting with mine.

[PaintBy#s]

Allweather-

Nice lady... some incosistencies with her in general...

We didnt Match up ( I was looking @ dressage instruction not AC)

LOVELY Horses/facility.

The story she had up on the website was very touching and actually didnt seem fake at all.

I do believe that horses communicate. But through feelings...

Anyways LOL

So many sayings about life! The most important? LIVE IT UP!

[Castlegate]

BethKrois: THere is nothing I hate more than people who have to force their beliefs on everyone else! Why does this woman disturb you? If you don't buy in, then don't read it.....just because you and others on this board are skeptics, doesn't mean you have to take issue with it and ruin everyone else's fun...if you read my post on that thread you will see that I too was once like you until I actually used a communicator....the reading I got was scary...even as a non-believer!

As to weather this woman is dropping hints or not, WHO CARES?????? Just let it go and don't follow the thread if it disturbs you....

[JulieMontgomery]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Briana said yes, "there's pain in all horses" not referring to riding pain. It hurts your ears to be cold, it hurts your feet to walk on sharp frozen pieces of ground, it hurts to bump into the building corner -- that's all hurts. Happens all the time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, well... all this is incredibly, uh, profound. And it appears to be the only profundity indeed, since nothing else of consequence was related.....kind of like Jack Handy's Deep Thoughts - for horses. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

No disturbance, just a few wry chuckles.

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Author Unknown....

[nhwr]

I am pretty skeptical, but I asked her a couple of questions. The answers didn't really hit the mark. But I have been so busy in the past few months that I just had't been connecting with my horse. It did encourage me to "just be" with my horse. And my relationship with my horse is better for that. Nothing to do with esp, IMO, though.

[MistyBlue]

I read a few of those 30 pages from the Animal Psychic...had a good laugh. Up until some of the posts were mentioning the people had horse's who didn't like them, horses who were lonely and wanted to meet their one true owner, people who should sell their beloved horse: Not because it was unsuitable, dangerous or unfit...but because deep down the horse wasn't happy with them. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Playing a fun scrw-with-your-feelings game is one thing...but telling someone something like that is just rude and uncalled for.
I lok at Animal Communicators the same way as I look at Santa Claus...sure it would be fabulous if there REALLY was one, but I'm not about to let my heart think for my head when it comes to either my loved one's health and happiness or my finances.
And I still don't see why a true psychic has to keep editing her posts to cover any 'misreads' (which she has as a few I've read have changed more than once) and why people are willing to have their feelings hurt over some generic comments by someone who needs time between answering posts NOT because they're homeless and on a library computer but because they need time to look up your past posts for more info before replying.
While I don't believe in AC's myself any more than I believe in mermaids, I have no problems with people who do. If it gives them comfort and the AC isn't offering medical advice without a DVM, then good for them. But over the internet? Without any equine info from the owner? Hire one, have them come meet your horse and then pay those of you wish.

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[Castlegate]

Oh and aside from how I hate people calling other people "gullable" and naive....(who gives any of you the right when you don't know these people?"...)

If this AC is a scam, she will get what is coming to her....but its not any of our place to judge that...I for one would never send her $$$ as I am always leary of scams.....but you need to think back to some other posts on this board that wind up getting donations for various reasons....maybe they are scams too?!

Its the holidays guys, back off and just let it go if you are against it....some people asking her questions might somehow be getting some help from her weather she is legit or not....I can say compared to the one I used, she isn't very accurate and she is much more generic....but again, lets just let it go....

[MistyBlue]

Actually, I don't see how people discussing the other side of the coin with AC's is any different from the people who believe in them. It's an equine issue, posted on a public forum and sounds suspiciously like a scam to many of us. There is the possibility that some of us have different opinions regarding AC's in general...or this AC in specific. Some of us should be able to voice our opinions also without backing off. Nobody is posting any lies about this poster, just discussing whether or not she might be legit or a scam artist. Same as many do over trainers and riders and vets and every other equine professional. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[PaintBy#s]

Castlegate I agree--- let it go....

BUT- I am/would be ROYALLY PO'd about her telling people their horses don't like them and want new true owners.

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If ANYONE ever told me that about MY horse... I think I'd be inclined to slap them....

Gullable or not...That is outrageous and I don't think should be permitted on the board...

People take things in all sorts of ways..... anywhere from REALLY good or HORRIBLY bad...

Could you imagine what a distraught teenager might do? hearing such harmful words?

....Let it go I know.... but THAT... should never be let go...

So many sayings about life! The most important? LIVE IT UP!

[Castlegate]

MistyBLue: I do not have an issue with anti-AC's discussing their disbeliefs AT ALL..But some of the posters are specifically degrading other posters...calling them naive and gullable....THAT is what I disagree with....if you are correct and this poster is a troll or a scam then I hope you get it stopped but PLEASE don't drag the people that may be enjoying it for whatever reason into by essentially telling them they are stupid...

Splash: I couldn't agree more with people taking her advice too seriously but you know what? In all areas of life, if you are not prepared for the worst possible answer you shouldn't ask the question.....I too hope that no one makes bad decisions based on the opinion of one person...alleged AC or not!

[ALF]

My opinion is that is it IS illegal.

[foursocks]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Unspecified:
My opinion is that is it IS illegal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um...and your opinion is based on what facts? I am not saying you are wrong, but I'm interested to know if it truly *is* illegal, since that would mean 85% of the folks who do those late-night psychic hotline phone-in things would be out of work....right?

You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that wont change its shape. Jets to Brazil

[PeriwinkleBlue]

foursocks, check out "Unspecified"'s profile. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Garage gnome on the loose! Don't take anything they say seriously. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Beezer]

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foursocks, check out "Unspecified"'s profile. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Garage gnome on the loose! Don't take anything they say seriously. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is that anything like one of those pony-riding gnomes?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

***** Dear Santa: All I want for Christmas is two good knees. *****

[Ishi]

Well, I didn't want to call her out on that thread either, but she was WAY off on my questions/horses too. I asked her about my first horse. Opps, he's been dead for 12 years, but she said he's still supposed to be happy in my barn. I'd call that a miss! Or maybe, ahe was 'talking' to my gelding An Lar I've had for 17 years, really my second horse, but hey, I'll give her the benifit of the doubt. Once. Then, just for fun I asked about the white socks on the same horse and me brushing them. The first horse had black legs no white and An Lar is a plain bay, no white anywhere. especially on the legs. Opps, she got that wrong too! Weather I believe in A/C or not, I FIRMLY believe this one is a fake and a phoney.

She was on Exracers.com a few months ago and told a woman there (totally unsolicited too) that the woman's new horse was suicidal and she should watch him, because he wanted to die, he was so unhappy with her as his new owner. Oviously the woman was VERY unhappy and upset that this was said and Norahlee was booted off Exracers.

Interesting huh?

Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
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[MistyBlue]

Castlegate, I never called the believers of AC's niave nor gullible nor stupid. They're not, and I don't think they are. I'm also not trying to stop them from posting, my only critique of the person was that they seemed to have less than a 50/50 correct reading rate and was covering the fact by editing posts. I was just joining a discussion that I thought had some merit for what seems to have some glaring points of scam written all over it, as other people did on here. Just discussion joining voicing my opinions, I wasn't bashing anyone for anything. Except maybe the "AC" for telling such hurtful things to some horse owners. Someone else had a very good point, what if one of the people told their horse doesn't like them and that they're in pain being with them is a sensitive person, either teen or adult, who is now going to be feeling highly upset over hearing that and no longer enjoying their horse owning experience? It's damage to the equine world, pure and simple. And a not-so-nice attack (no matter how nicely a package it comes in) to some very caring and well meaning horse owners.

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[vxf111]

&lt;&lt;She was on Exracers.com a few months ago and told a woman there (totally unsolicited too) that the woman's new horse was suicidal and she should watch him, because he wanted to die, he was so unhappy with her as his new owner. Oviously the woman was VERY unhappy and upset that this was said and Norahlee was booted off Exracers. &gt;&gt;

Okay, now things like THIS cross the line between all-in-good-fun-let's-have-a-laugh-I-think-I'm-a-psychic stuff and TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE and playing off their emotions. I thought Norahlee was fairly sincere in the beginning. Now I see she's going back to edit her posts which smacks of dishonesty. If she's dishonest, she could easily be using the search feature to try to get information for her readings. Given that she's still got tons of misses (major misses, communicating with dead horses and getting horse colors/ marking wrong in tons of posts) I don't understand how this is still "just a lark" and not someone trying to exploit other people's emotions. Not to call people guillible, just that if you've been reading the entire thread-- surely you'd see that some pieces don't add up (even if you believe in ACs in general.)

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[alabama]

I don't think the thread should be shut down because I see it as entertainment - like reading a horoscope. I don't believe them either but I read 'em sometimes.

I think some people can do this, but I don't think Norah can. She was way off on my horse and another friend's horses. When I asked for clarification she told me that she was hoping I'd help her out with details. Hmmm. Then she edited a bunch of her posts and started strongly hinting that she'd like money for her readings. Nope, don't think so. Not from me

[PaulaM]

alabama, I agree she was way off base with your guy, he is one of the happiest horses I have ever met via the internet. I have yet to see a picture of him looking worried or miserable and know that you treat him better than most people treat each other.

Natchez is a special boy!

[PeriwinkleBlue]

Beezer, someone, and I can't remember who for the life of me, calls trolls garage gnomes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[equescool]

What amazes me is how much we doubt our own ability to communicate with our animals and look to someone else to do it. I have used an animal communicator, Anita Curtis. She was quite good, actually. I decided that I was the best judge of my animals and altho we do not 'talk', I feel very in tune with them. When we know our horses, we simply 'know' when something isn't quite right. If we trust that, we begin a deeper journey of communication - not necessarily psychic. Check out www.heartmath.org (http://www.heartmath.org) where interesting scientific work is being done on the heart's field. It is possible that the 'universal field' of the world's religions may be understood scientifically someday. Until then, I think trusting our own ability to love and listen with an inner intuition to our animals is a good practice. Believing an unknown (or even a known) psychic can be like a self fulfilling prophecy. Trust your own instincts.

[Coreene]

I predict that many BBers will put on five pounds over the holidays.

[FrenchFrytheEqHorse]

well, my trainer's mom called the horse psychic out after a 3 yr. old mare got out of her stall and ran onto the road and almost died in a car accident.
We were all fairly confident in her abilities when she told us charlie the pony let dora (the mare) out of her stall and told her to go back to culpeper where she came from because she stole his "girl" away from him.
Or we could not control our laughter long enough to decide whether she was legit-not that any of us cared at that point seeing as it was so entertaining and it had been such a bad week...

Sugartowne II- "French Fry"
Ears To 'Ya- "Jake"
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[DoubleTwistedWire]

Well, I just posted over on the Psychic thread, asking a specific question but providing few details about the horse/situation, so I'll see what comes of it.

However, having read the thread, I have my doubts. Not that I don't think there are genuinely people with some sort of inexplicable ability; I'll grant that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Given some evidence, I'm willing to believe in specific instances and things, but don't think I should trust everyone saying they've seen little green men or can tell the future or talk to my dog.

The thread itself seemed to start off as a legit discussion of the merits/fraud of ACs, then moved into what seemed like harmless fun, like palmreading at a carnival--you know it's probably not real, but it's good for a laugh. Some of the posters later on, however, have seemed truly to take what was being said as truth, and I think they should take the information being stated with a saltblock or two http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[CHJoker]

As far as the harsh words regarding my opinion, C'est la vie. I can live with it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, regarding "gullible people"...well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.... guess what it probably is.

[This message was edited by bethkrois on Dec. 23, 2003 at 05:11 AM.]

[CHJoker]

And, for the record:

gul·li·ble :adj. Easily deceived or duped.

This is what I think you are if you seriously believe that Noralee is talking to your horse through telepathy.

Stupid? Naive? Well, I think that just depends on the person. I don't think that I know any of you well enough to make that assumption. On a personal (towards specific posters) level, anyway.

Additionally, I am fully aware that people think I am being "mean" etc. TOO BAD. You're right! We ALL have a right to our opinion.

I started this topic because I think this "noralee" is a complete fake, and I don't think it warrants even serious discussion about her "merits". She has none. However, what is scary is that people are taking this very very seriously. She IS trying to get money, and she IS lying to you.

How do I personally feel about "animal communicators"? I think you all know. I personally do not believe in it. But, I said it before, and I will say it again... How easily YOU are seperated from YOUR money is your business. I am not lobbying congress to make "animal communicating" illegal. But "horse psychic readings by Noralee" have ABSOLUTELY no place on a board like this. It is advertising, it is fake, and it is a SCAM.

If some of you love noralee so much, great, start a "animal Communicator" website and have fun. Give her (and anyone else who comes along) all of your money,(it wouldn't be the first person who has done this successfully). I PROMISE I will not be a visitor to your private piece of foolishness, of which there are many examples on the net. But at least it will be upfront what is being offered, and what is being asked for. I can respect that.

I DO NOT respect what is going on now, with "Noralee".

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[stop4]

I took my horse to a communicator when she was in SC and she had never seen or heard anything about my horse but she could tell me he was missing a front tooth and how he lost it, described (very specifically) me and the pro who rode him, she described where he lived and everything.

Some people will never believe its possible but I know it is because I saw it with my own horse. I'd be really carefull who I listened too thought because it would be easy for someone to just make things up.

Marion
*Amalia*

[kari]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
I predict that many BBers will put on five pounds over the holidays.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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~Marion C Garretty

[JulieMontgomery]

Spot on, Coreene!

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
Author Unknown....

[MistyBlue]

*sigh* I wish Coreene didn't have such a gift...she's absolutely right and it already happened to me! THANKS Coreene! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Equine Crash Test Dummy
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80's Clique
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[Kels]

I didn't want to admit the 5 lbs thing- but Coreene, how did you know from all the way over there in Surf City?! I suppose anyone can do ANYTHING via the internet these days! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

-Kelsey-

[Quinn]

If it bothers you so much, DON'T READ IT! If it astounds you how "gullible" people are, DON'T READ IT! It never ceases to disappoint me how cruel some people can get. What the hell, just DON'T READ IT but lay off with the judgment calls on people you don't even know. I am reminded of being in grade school when someone was just a little different. Remember how "others" seemed to take great joy in pouncing on that kid?? Lay off, it's Christmas.

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"If you are going through hell, keep going." ~Churchill~

[Castlegate]

Here Here Quinn!!!! I could care less what people think about Norah...and if she is asking for $ or not, or if people believe her or not....some people like the original poster on this thread are just being juvenile! There is a better way to voice your opinion on a topic...for example, could have said "does anyone think the AC is for real?" There was NO reason for a poster bashing to occur...and no matter how you look at a dictionary definition, calling someone gullable is NOT a compliment! At least BethKrois admits she does not know anyone on this board well enough to make such assumptions....I guess she must have typed before she actually thought.....

Enough already people.....let it go! You CAN have a mature thread about this topic why don't you just stop talking about the people that may be participating like they belong in a ward somewhere!

[CHJoker]

Does anyone else see the irony in Quinns and Castlegates remarks?

LOL. You should take your own advice.

Merry Christmas http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Wicky]

Coreene - Can you tell me how my horse feels about those five pounds???

[Estelle]

I used to fairl closed minded about AC's, but not totally until I gave it not one, mind you, but now 2 tries...both of these AC's I used were ones' that are well known and have been highly praised on many different forums...I asked some questions that I already knew the answers to...sort of trick questions, but not really, but they were questions that when I got the answers I would know 100% if I was being told correct answers from the AC's...and I was careful about what I said so that I would give them no hints about my horses...although, both of them wanted to know, age, sex and breed which any horseman knows will help with some of the answeres and the questions you ask also tell these AC's quite a bit without you even realizing it....anyway what do you think happened????? And remember these were both highly regarded AC's I have seen both thier names mentioned here and many other places many times....They were both TOTALLY WRONG!!! Gee what a surprise....of course we could argue that Im the stupid one as I sent them money just to see on the off chance if they were real, but to me it was money spent on research so that no one would ever pull me into that sucker scheme again, so it was money well spent...and no one will ever convince me they are real that's for sure...now when I read this stuff and especially when I see those two women's names come up I just chuckle to myself and remember the line that was quoted here, "there's one born every minute" (sucker that is) but I do believe as long as the "reading" is not harmful or offering hurtful or dangerous advice that it should be left alone...

Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves for we shall never cease to be amused.--Erin Mack

[Castlegate]

You are right BethKrois: Your unfair judgments and nasty attacks on people "disturb" me so I will choose (like you should have on the AC post) to not read your thread anymore....

Merry Christmas to you as well! Perhaps at this time of year, you will find it in your heart to accept that not all people share your views and accept them as they are.....and for what they choose to believe in.....

[CHJoker]

**sigh**

Estelle: I think we have already established that Noralees posts are not harmless.

I am sorry that it cost you a few bucks to figure out that these animal communicators are not real.
Honestly.... I am not trying to be mean.

I think that it is sweet that people WANT to talk to their animals, and believe that their animals are talking to them, which they do, indirectly, through body language. I think everyone here can agree to that. But Telepathically? And over the internet?

I think alot of people use them out of desperation, of NEEDING to hear something.

I think people react so violently to questioning about why they do this because they want to believe in something very badly. And it always seems there is some huckster ready to fill the need of taking their money.

You do what you want, but for me, I am very careful about who I lend my faith and give my money to.

But I stand by the reason I posted in the first place. Noralee is a fake, this is a SCAM, and it is not harmless.

With all due respect, castle, I REFUSE to accept that Noralee is anything other than a phony and looking for money, just like I refuse to believe that the tooth fairy exists. Some things are just truth, unprovable except by common sense.

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[Pixie Dust]

I never read the thread you are talking about....it's on COTH? Are you just talking about this Noralee or AC's in general. I can understand how people would be skeptical, but I do think that people have certain psychic abilities. Most people just don't know how to tap into them. From what I read here, this Noralee sounds a bit flaky.......but that certainly doesn't disturb me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

[Quinn]

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"If you are going through hell, keep going." ~Churchill~

[caffeinated]

I'm a bit conflicted with this one... on the one hand, I think it's possible to get a good read on an animal or take a minute and figure them out. I've had a few experiences I can't really explain logically except that it's possible.

But all the specific AC experiences I've had (with other people including norahlee reading my horse) have been OK at best.

That said, I'm certainly not parting with any $$ when someone tells me my horse is afraid of catching a bug.

I think our perception can be honed till we figure out a lot of these things on our own. A lot of people want to just get a quick answer though, I guess.

SO... Though a member of JREF and really annoyed watching cold readings a la john edwards, I usually take it as entertaining... and I'm curious, simply cause I've had wacky things happen that I can't explain except by way of saying animals and people may be able to communicate more than we'd otherwise imagine

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[Coreene]

Your horse will notice the five pounds, but in the spirit of Christmas your horse will not complain because (s)he knows that all the fudge, cookies, chocolate, eggnog, candies, nuts, cakes, pies, extra lashings of butter and masses of blue cheese dressing that got you there are People Karroten.

Your horse knows that humans are like horses in this respect, and that humans cannot resist a treat in the same way that they cannot leave karroten, oats, grain, sugar, apples or any other scrap of food alone, even when it means getting on their knees and sticking their necks under the fence to get that one last strand.

However, in the true spirit of the holidays, your horse thinks that the amount of People Karroten you consume should be balanced out by Genuine Karroten, because that it only fair.

[alabama]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PaulaM:
alabama, I agree she was way off base with your guy, he is one of the happiest horses I have ever met via the internet. I have yet to see a picture of him looking worried or miserable and know that you treat him better than most people treat each other.

Natchez is a special boy!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! Thanks, Paula. What a nice thing to say! I really appreciate that. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[caffeinated]

coreene do you have a paypal account? Because that's really super valuable information, can't believe I got it for free!

Also, do you think my horse might like some extra treats as a christmas present?

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[Kels]

caffeinated- don't nott to forget to give him extra karroten! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-Kelsey-

[Coreene]

Extra Things Your Horse Really Wants For Christmas:

1. Karroten
2. Apples
3. Sugar Cubes
4. Guinness in the bran mash
5. His or her favorite weird treat
6. His or her favorite horse cookies
7. Loff

This is free advice. I could remind you about the No Ugly-Ass Horse Clothes thing, but that pretty much goes without saying.

Oh, your horse wants you to use all extra money for the Karroten Fund, even the change floating around at the bottom of your bag.

[Estelle]

I wasnt upset with you post at all...I agree that this girl/woman should not have said a lot of what she had said...that's why I added on the end piece on my post...I didnt exactly get taken as I went in to it more as an experiment to see how good (yeah right) this woman that everyone raved about was or was not...that is why the I asked what I asked so I would know if she were a fake or not...I post basically the same thing to other strings on this and other forums and was told over and over again of another wonderful AC's, so I did the same thing with her...this time knowing for sure in my heart that she would be wrong, but I needed to do it so that when I post on this subject I am speaking from experience with 2 highly regarded so called communicators...if you go into it the way I did, you wont get fooled by them. It's amazing though, folks dont want to hear it...well the ones that beleive anyway, and they can sure get riled! *L* Which was not my intention, my intention was to inform....I actully had one person jump all over me for asking "trick" questions!!! *LOL* If you are real, there should not be an question that would be a "trick"....folks will continue to believe and get ripped off, and that is thier choice and fine with me...but like you, I have a problem with folks like the one talked about in this string who say hurtful and or harmful things!! But I believe what goes around comes around, so thier day will come. Take care and have a Very Merry Christmas.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bethkrois:
**sigh**

Estelle: I think we have already established that Noralees posts are not harmless.

I am sorry that it cost you a few bucks to figure out that these animal communicators are not real.
Honestly.... I am not trying to be mean.

I think that it is sweet that people WANT to talk to their animals, and believe that their animals are talking to them, which they do, indirectly, through body language. I think everyone here can agree to that. But Telepathically? And over the internet?

I think alot of people use them out of desperation, of NEEDING to hear something.

I think people react so violently to questioning about why they do this because they want to believe in something very badly. And it always seems there is some huckster ready to fill the need of taking their money.

You do what you want, but for me, I am very careful about who I lend my faith and give my money to.

But I stand by the reason I posted in the first place. Noralee is a fake, this is a SCAM, and it is not harmless.

With all due respect, castle, I REFUSE to accept that Noralee is anything other than a phony and looking for money, just like I refuse to believe that the tooth fairy exists. Some things are just truth, unprovable except by common sense.

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Blessed are we who can laugh at ourselves for we shall never cease to be amused.--Erin Mack

[Pixie Dust]

Hektor would add neck scratching while he's munching on said mash....he's such a cuddler. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

[caffeinated]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
4. Guinness in the bran mash
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Coreene, again I'm astounded and amazed. Semi-serious question- beer is OK for horses, I know, but what about little youngish horses? 19 months... Do horses have a drinking age, or should I just give him half?

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[War Admiral]

Well - all I can say is that like the rest of you I was completely *underwhelmed* by this particular A/C and thought the bulk of what she said was nonsense - but I stand by the one I use.

I would most certainly NOT take my A/C's opinion about things like veterinary care and whether or not my horse is happy with his owner, but she does have a success rate with my horse that's probably around 96%.

After watching what happened on the other thread, I certainly don't think I would ever use any *other* A/C than the one I do use.

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Thoroughbreds! Everything else is just a horse. :-)

[mindismom]

At the barn where I used to board, one of the horses died suddenly with a 3 month old filly left orphaned. Another boarder insisted on having a cpommunicator "talk " to the filly, & all she got was that Angel, the filly, was frantic because she didnt know where her mother was. Funny, I knew that too without seeing her. I wonder..... lol

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..//.\\.

[onelanerode]

Can't say I was impressed by Norahlee's reading on any of the horses I asked her about. But hey, it was free. I was somewhat concerned when she said the first mare was in pain, because the mare has had some health issues in the past and I hadn't heard anything about her for some time.
If Norahlee's pulling this stuff out of thin air, as has been suggested, I think it's mean and to tell someone her horse is unhappy living with her or is in pain. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif That tells me Norahlee isn't too concerned about the mental welfare of the owners of the horses she's doing "readings" on.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were people out there who truly did have the ability to communicate with horses and other animals in a way most people cannot. I believe anything is possible, no matter how improbable it seems.
However, I think what a 30+ page thread on horse psychics really says is that there are a LOT of people on this board who really care about their horses and are truly concerned about the quality of life for their animals. I know I'm not alone when I say I wish I could communicate better with the horses I ride and care for. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It would certainly make clipping that 2-year-old's ears a lot easier if I could explain to her that clippers weren't really horse-eating monsters and that if she held still it would be over much more quickly, but ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Anyway, you all have a wonderful holiday season and be safe and happy! And as Coreene has predicted, I'm well on my way to gaining an extra 5 pounds, but isn't that what New Year's resolutions are for? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Take care y'all http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Be careful to whom you lend your shirt if you have a tendency to wear your heart upon your sleeve.

[lawgrl]

If someone is devastated because some stranger on the internet tells them that their horse doesn't like them--they already have mental welfare problems.

If we manage, throughout our training to preserve both the gentleness and the gaiety of our horse we shall not, in the end, go very far amiss--Wynmalan

[vxf111]

miss annie,

&lt;&lt;If Norahlee's pulling this stuff out of thin air, as has been suggested, I think it's mean and to tell someone her horse is unhappy living with her or is in pain. That tells me Norahlee isn't too concerned about the mental welfare of the owners of the horses she's doing "readings" on.&gt;&gt;

Exactly. That's one of the things she's done that crossed the line. On that thread she has several BBs frantic that their horses are suffering/ in pain/ unhappy etc. I don't just mean she told them that once, but again and again and whipped them into a frenzy. Causing hysteria is not fun and games. If I started telling people their horse's food was poisoned and making nonsense about a batch of tainted feed-- that would be HUGHLY inappropriate on a public bulletin board like this. Especially if it was unsubstantiated gargabe and I *knew* that. In my opinion, that thread crossed the line.

~Veronica

P.S.- I don't see other posters asking for money when they give advice, or even hinting. Heck, we give each other advice all DAY LONG on this board and never expect renumberation. And Norahlee is the only poster I've seen dropping hints about being poor and having a paypal account (with the exception of people resucing starved and abused horses. Which I think we can all see is a little different). She's gone and erased those posts now, but she was getting AWFULLY heavy handed on that "innocent" solicitation of $$$

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[emcallaway]

Its' all a bunch of Hooey!! HOOEY, I say! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

*I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates when he said, I drank what? - Val Kilmer, Real Genius*

[JulieMontgomery]

Doesn't matter now... norahlee said she's "done" over in Horse Care.

"Overdone" is the word I would have chosen.

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
Author Unknown....

[Pixie Dust]

Weeeeeeell, stupidity just hasn't been banned yet. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

[dps]

I stand behind all a/c's who try to make our and our horses lives a little easier.

I consult mine about twice a year and she is always right on the money with our issues.

Noraleah I think you are great and keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!

[MistyBlue]

By Emcallaway:
"Its' all a bunch of Hooey!! HOOEY, I say!"


Heeeyyy! Easy there with the strong language, there are some minors on here. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Equine Crash Test Dummy
Member of: Non-GPA Clique
80's Clique
Connecticut Clique
Helmet Nazi Clique

[emcallaway]

Oops, I'll watch myself.http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Whiskey Lullaby]

My personal thoughs on what it would be like if a horse psychic read a horses mind: "Ah, yes, he has four legs, a brain and two eyes"

Speak kindly to your little horse,
And soothe him when he wheezes,
Or he may turn his back on you,
And kick you where he pleases.


Member of the Teen Clique!

[ALF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by foursocks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Unspecified:
My opinion is that is it IS illegal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um...and your opinion is based on what facts? I am not saying you are wrong, but I'm interested to know if it truly *is* illegal, since that would mean 85% of the folks who do those late-night psychic hotline phone-in things would be out of work....right?

You can take a line and say it isn't straight- but that wont change its shape. Jets to Brazil<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The late night fraudsters all have fine print that says they are for entertainment only. Even so, some of them do get in trouble with the law.

[PeriwinkleBlue]

I noticed that the thread itself is gone. Has it really been deleted or did Infopop have a momentary hiccup?

[ShowBiz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PeriwinkleBlue:
I noticed that the thread itself is gone. Has it really been deleted or did Infopop have a momentary hiccup?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's still there...in Horse Care. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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My love ShowBiz, RIP 8/17/99 - 10/28/03. You are in my heart forever.

[PeriwinkleBlue]

Yeah, I know it was in Horse Care, that's why I asked if it had been deleted.
But it's back - must have been a hiccup. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Daventry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Originally posted by Norahlee:

then a friend showed me a book, "Animal Talk," about interspecies telepathic communication, as the author called it. It had some exercises to do. I did the exercises, and, voila!!! I can do it!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

God, I think I've seen everything now! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I do believe that there are a very few naturally gifted group of people in the world but none of them come by it lightly and I certainly don't think it can be achieved by reading some book like it was a cracker jack correspondence course!

Man, I wish I had the balls and lack of morals to con people as I could be really rich by now.

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www.daventryfarms.com (http://www.daventryfarms.com)
Quality sport horses and ponies!

Daventry Web Productions
www.daventrywebproductions.com (http://www.daventrywebproductions.com)

[Coreene]

Your horse is telling you s(he) would like more karroten.

[vxf111]

&lt;&lt;Your horse is telling you s(he) would like more karroten.&gt;&gt;

OH MY GOD! You got my horse down to a TEE! You are amazing. I don't know how you do it, it's like you have access to all his inner thoughts that I can only guess at. You'll never believe this, but I fed him a carrot TODAY! You must have tapped into him when I was RIGHT THERE! Oh my god, I am SO AMAZED. Who would have thought, a horse that wants carrots. The insight. This changes my WHOLE relationship with my horse. THANK YOU! How you get such acute, specific, useful readings-- I'll never understand. Did he tell you it was an ORANGE carrot? Because it was! But I am sure you know that. Now I've seen it all. And you've shown it to me. Do you take credit cards?

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[Coreene]

Your horse loffs it when you scratch him/her in that spot where it makes them put their nose up in the air, twist their head to one side and wiggle their top lip! Really!

[nhwr]

I can hear them all... the roar is almost deafening. Please make them stop http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif


NOT ENOUGH KARROTEN! MORE KARROTEN, PLEASE http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Coreene]

Dorina says you do not give her enough karroten. She thinks you do not honor her beauty enough. She wants a mirror in her stall. She would like a big green pasture, and would like to gallop on the beach. She would like speakers in her stall.

[vxf111]

I am also getting some vibes on your horse...

Do you, by any chance, feed her grain? I am getting that reading VERY strongly. You must have fed her several time. At least 2 in the time you've owned her. You feed her, don't you? A VERY strong vibe. She is telling me this, whispering like horses sometimes do. She likes to eat.

She is a color. I am getting this from her. She is definately some color. Probably a dark one. Or maybe a lighter dark one. Your horse is not purple, or pink. Some other colorl. But what I am getting loud and clear is that she is A COLOR. She is not transparent. She is telling me this. You'll have to verify.

She is telling me that you ride her, wait, I am getting this. In tack. Yes. Sometimes you ride her in tack? Am I right on this? And that tack is NOT flourescent green. She is telling me that in very strong tones. Her tack is a color other than green. Strong vibes on that as well.

And... she has access to, wait, she's whispering now... water. She has access to water. Do you give your horse water? She's telling me she loves the water, it's very tasty. And wet. Your horse is shouting to me that the her water is wet. Yes. I am right on this, aren't I?

One final though, your horse is telling me that SHE would like you to send me $100 in small, unmarked bills. Yes, your horse said that. I would never ask, I just repeat what "the brethren" tell me. She suggests $5's and $10's. She is wise beyond her years, this horse.

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[nhwr]

You guys are amazing. You are almost really close on at least a couple of things.

Let's face it, Dorina's needs are simple. She wants my platinum card. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[nhwr]

Coreene,

I am getting a strong signal from Oliver. He thinks you should provide him with more opportunities to hone some particular skills. Those would be: rolling in fresh shavings; paprika tasting (Hungarian vs Spanish vs domestic); he want to start his own chapter of "Toastmasters" (though whether it will be the traditional forum for public speaking or just an opportunity to play with Rufus is a little fuzzy); the next time he gets his feet done, he wants a barbed wire decal that looks like a surfer's tatoo on his hoof and he wants Dorina's cell #.

[nhwr]

Veronica,

I am having a harder time with your horse. It is either male or female, am I right? The details are a little hard to get because of some shock your horse is experiencing. Oh! the feeder is empty or is it a bucket? But funny, just like Dorina, your horse has access to water! This is incredible.

[Wicky]

ROFLMAO!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[wowee zowee]

vxf111 - I think that is the funniest post I have ever read!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[RodeoHunter]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wowee zowee:
vxf111 - I think that is the funniest post I have ever read!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO I second that!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

**Member of the Ocularly Challenged Equine Support Group**

[emcallaway]

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[emcallaway]

hold on I'm not done yet... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

*I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates when he said, I drank what? - Val Kilmer, Real Genius*

[PeriwinkleBlue]

Veronica, do you take Paypal??

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[Giddy-up]

Ok, I tried reading the other thread, but here was quite a bit of mumbo-jumbo to sort so I am only about page 8. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Are there any specific "highlights" pages I should look for so I don't have to read the entire 34 pages of "wow, my horse has 4 legs, wants more carrots" insights?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And just by reading this thread, I think there are some awesome AC's just on this board alone! Can you guys tell me something about my plain bay 16.1 10 year old TB gelding that I show in am/ad jumpers so I can be impressed by your infinite abilities? Puh-lease?!?!?! It would give me something to discuss at the family Christmas dinner tonight. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[woudn'tYOUliketoknow?]

I haven't read this entire thread, but I want to add something VERY IMPORTANT.

I noticed someone asking why the "psychics" haven't won the lottery yet, if they can supposedly predict the future. To be honest, a "real" (aka someone who genuinely feels they can communicate with animals) Animal Communicator would NEVER refer to themselves as a psychic. I have had a woman read my horse (other people who post here have used the same woman and I know I have given her number to a few people on here) and she is INSULTED if anyone refers to her as a "psychic".

I know that there are believers and non-believers, and that no matter how strong a testimony might be, it most likely isn't enough to make a non-believer a believer. However, I used to be a non-believer, until two things happened- I had this woman read my own horse- and she found my old trainer's dog. This is how she found the dog: Scruffy was an OLD OLD little terrier or some sort (he was a mutt but a tiny dog mostly terrier) who was blind, deaf, and dumb. Very dumb. My old trainer had 5 dogs, but Scruffy was the only one that had to live in the house. Now my old trainer was a woman who treated her dogs better than people- when she was teaching a lesson, and it was cold, she'd leave the heat on in her car for the dogs, lol. One day, we don't know how, Scruffy got loose and when she went back to her house (which is on the barn property) he was gone. So my trainer called the AC (and this AC only asks for what city the animal is in, and what color it is- or a question of that nature) and asked the AC if she could help find Scruffy. After "searching" for Scruffy for a while, the AC said "I can't get a clear signal from him, is Scruffy deaf?" So after confirming that Scruffy was indeed deaf, she asked if Scruffy had any "friends". She said that she could communicate through Watchdog, Scruffy's main doggy friend. I thought this was completely bogus At any rate, she said since Scruffy was blind he wasn't going to be able to describe where he was other than what he felt. So the AC "connected" with Watchdog, and finally she says "Scruffy told Watchdog that he's too far away from home, and that he fell into a hole where it is wet and cold and he's been there all day" when we asked how far away Scruffy was (of course she couldn't be sure, as dogs most likely don't understand the concept of miles) the AC said based on what Scruffy said, probably somewhere between 1-3 miles. We loaded up Watchdog in the car and went looking, and sure enough we found Scruffy...down in a ditch, where developers had drained a lake in order to build homes. Wet- and cold.

This same lady has also been right on the money about my horses and other horses that I have ridden (my old trainer called her about some that I rode for her). I don't think this is a skill that just anyone can acquire, and I CERTAINLY do not think that his "Norahlee" woman is an AC. This lady really wants t help people with their animals...she helped my mom's friend for DAYS track down her dog. But don't let this experience alone make you a nonbeliever.

[vxf111]

I am back. It is so mentally DRAINING doing all these advanced searches, er, I mean draining doing all of these READINGS! But I must speak for those who have no voice. I must allow your horses to speak to you through me. I do it for them. I do it for free. I do it at birthday parties too. And tips are always appreciated in lieu of a decent working wage http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Giddy-up. I am now tuning in on your horse. Is his name Miranda? If not, he would like you to change it to Miranda. That's what he's telling me. He tells me that his true "horse name" is Miranda, so screw your fancy schmancy show name crap and call him Miranda like the magnificent, untamed, beast he truly is. And also he loves pink rhinestones. Oh wait, I wasn't tuning into your horse there. I think I was turning into a drag show or something. Signals crossed.

Okay, back to your horse.

I am zoning in on him, he is telling me about a roof. Do you by any chance keep this horse IN a building with a room or NEAR a building with a roof? This reading is very strong. Your horse has definately been near a roof lately! I am sure of this, he is not whispering now but loadly and gloriously nickering.

He is now telling me about his buddy. His buddy is a creature with at least 2 legs and at least 1 eye. Does your horse pal around with a creature who is giften with at least 1 eye? I am seeing this buddy of your horse. I cannot decribe him, your horse's soul is communicating him to me in the form of a Picasso painting. Horses sometimes channel artistes you know. Anyway, I can tell from the painting that your horse has a fine sense of design and a predeliction for naked women. Okay, maybe that's Picasso, not your horse. But your horse certainly appreciates fine art!

One last thing, your horse has to go, but before he leaves he wanted to say "Merry Christmas" and "give your social security number, credit card information, and home address to the pet psychic."

I am gutted now and must go rest before I channel a piece of squirrel roadkill I saw on the way home tonight.

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[Ineptly]

A 'real' communicator would never call themself a psychic!

thats a goooooood one!

[Scootie]

You guys are HORRIBLE! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I just spent hours of perusing ALL 34 pages of that truly bizzare thread simply out of morbid curiousity. I think I need to get a life, and get one soon! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Some thoughts:

I was amazed at just how many folks were falling out of the woodwork desperate for this person's attention. It took me awhile to realize they weren't all tongue in cheek. But this self-styled Animal Communicator had many in her thrall and kept them there.

I always thought that the essence of true horsemanship came from the ability to work closely in partnership with one's horse, and to hold communication through direct observation and understanding.

In my opinion, one reason Self Styled AC could get so many people in thrall and keep them there was by clever use of the Guilt Trip. This whole business about horses being in constant pain--how can anybody really know what horses are feeling? And some people were really taking it to heart about not being their horse's "true owner". How upsetting to believe something like that. Talk about creating self-doubt.

Something to think about: The horses we all know and love are all descendents of long lines of domesticated animals, going back to pre-history, and continuing to develop even to this day. For centuries, horses have been bred to produce the animals with the characteristics most favorable for living with humans. So, it's doubtful that living in "artificial" situations and working in their traditional manner is truly painful or aversive to most domestic horses. Of course we can never really "know" what they are thinking, but if this were that unpleasant for them, it is doubtful that we would be able to do most if any of the things we do with them. This "true owner" business is also intriguing. Again, part of being domesticated is being able to tolerate contact with humans in general. Your horse is your horse. Period. Like other partnerships, some may succeed and some fail. As humans and horsepersons, it is our duty to learn to discern which is which and take according measures.

I had some slight contact with SSAC on another thread about a different subject, and, frankly did not come away with a very high impression. SSAC came across as very control-freaky and in need of some ego gratification. I'm sure she found just that until finally burning out from the effort. What a rush it must have been, to have all those people rushing for your "help". http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

That said, while I have no real desire to mess around with AC's, I would not deny that some people seem to have had success with this kind of assistance.

The bottom line is to choose your advisors wisely. This goes for trainers, vets, chiropractors, farriers, whoever, as well as for ACs. Don't just buy into what somebody tells you they can do over a message board--this can amount to playing with fire. Especially when the advice starts to make the seeker feel bad about themselves, guilty, worried, etc., so they have to come back for more. That, my friends, is psychological exploitation for SOMEONE ELSE'S ego gratification, not for your or your horse's best interest.

Love all your horses. Seek to accept the unique gifts each has to offer in his/her own little horsey way. Learn each one throughly. Take good care of them but also enjoy them for what they are, as they are.

Merry Christmas.

Founder and president of the No-Legged Rider Clique

[Scootie]

I hope I just didn't get overly serious in my last thread. I just want to say I have been enjoying this thread, in the direction is was going. You folks are hilarious! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Founder and president of the No-Legged Rider Clique

[Giddy-up]

vxf111---thank you so much for your reading!! Now after rolling on the floor with my mom laughing, let me tell you how close you really were! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

The name: We call him Vinny, but from this moment forward he will be known as Miranda. So what if he was Ranger before & for the last 4.5 years Vinny, I don't care as long as he's happy! I only wish I had known sooner. Miranda the gelding it will be. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And maybe he likes pink rhinestones. I don't know, he can be a little "alternative" sometimes. I shall now use my Bedazzler (thank you VH1 for the Hits of the 80's) & rhinestone his halter so he's dripping in the bling-bling.

The roof: Oh my, I do in fact keep him in a barn that has a roof. Unbelievable. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif You were right on the $$ here! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

His buddy: Actually his pal is Czazonne (the painter--I can't spell) so perhaps that's where you got Picasso & the naked women. And he indeed has at least 1 eye & 2 legs. You are awesome! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Oh thank you so much for sharing your vision! Hopefully I will be able to communicate better with "Miranda" now & we will both be happier. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I will be calling you (or maybe send you a signal??) for birthday parties this summer. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[MistyBlue]

Giddy-Up...if you don't mind my non-requested begging of you:
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE in the near future post a picture of your lovely alternative gelding standing near his extra special barn WITH roof wearing his oh-so-gorgeous new halter emblazoned with his new name "Miranda" in blingtastic pink rhinestones! P-l-e-a-s-e? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Equine Crash Test Dummy
Member of: Non-GPA Clique
80's Clique
Connecticut Clique
Helmet Nazi Clique

[JulieMontgomery]

Cezanne....

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of his devotion."
Author Unknown....

[CHJoker]

Veronica,

Give me your paypal address, Damn it.

I laughed so hard I almost fell off my chair.

Now that is something I am willing to shell out the bucks for http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Beth

[OnyxThePony]

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>1) ANYone who takes ANY advice on this (or any other) board without consulting a local professional is doomed without hope anyway.

<LI> While the 'reading' (listening?) was 100% OFF on my pony, it was 100% correctly inferred from what I had myself written. Hmmm.

<LI>Who cares, it was a lot of fun! i wouldn't have posted neagative there, cos it WAS fun!
[/list]

Neither Fear Nor Anger

[OnyxThePony]

OH MY GODDNESS!!!!

Onyx my pony is contacting me right now. She tells me she is a medium for collecting and transmitting neural waves from HUMANS and will answer any of your horse's questions if they would like to understand why their human does the things they do.

For example, PeriwinkleBlue has a secret control freak issue!! Aria told Onyx that, and told Onyx this is the reason she (Aria) scared her (PB) away (PB won't admit the REAL reason she left was fear either, Aria knows this!!)
Indepthley's horse knows Indepthly has a secret troll inside her struggling with a prima ballerina italian charm bracelet ribbon wearing hunter princess and this is the reason Indepthly rides in every local show in jewels while attending Culpepper in cut off jeans and poo in her ponytail.
Oliver thinks a part of Willem's soul is lurking in Coreen and he often contacts it physcically at night without Coreen knowing!!

Wowwee!!
I guess my pony has the gift!!!!!!!

Neither Fear Nor Anger

[PeriwinkleBlue]

LMAO! Hey! You don't need to be telling ALL my secrets, Onyx! Leave me at least a shred of dignity, will ya??

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[Giddy-up]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MistyBlue:
...wearing his oh-so-gorgeous new halter emblazoned with his new name "Miranda" in blingtastic pink rhinestones! P-l-e-a-s-e? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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To add to the mental picture so far, his halter is purple nylon. So attractive already!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[vxf111]

&lt;&lt;To add to the mental picture so far, his halter is purple nylon. So attractive already!!&gt;&gt;&gt;

Ah, see. The horse psychic is NEVER wrong http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Give Miranda a carrot for me next time you she him/her http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

~Veronica

"The Son Dee Times"
"Sustained"

[MistyBlue]

LMAO!!! Now THAT is a mental picture! VXF111 definitely has the GIFT...what a good call on the name Miranda! Purple nylon halter with pink rhinestones...Lordy would Liberace be proud! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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