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Just My Style
Feb. 11, 2005, 11:13 AM
I am really upset and just need to vent. Why is it that people think it is ok to dump animals in rural areas? Is it because we have other animals they think we want more? Is it because they think domestic animals have a shot at learning how to make it in the wild? Do they assume everyone with a horse farm also has a puppy farm, cat farm, rabbit farm (not kidding- someone put a rabbit on the side of the road with a carrot)?

So I came across three puppies yesterday. I couldn't take them, because I was going to the dentist. I pull puppies from the road monthly and I really couldn't do it this time. I never felt so guilty in my life as I did driving away from them, but I didn't have a choice. I called animal control, the police department and the local shelter. Animal control sent out a person (so they say) and he didn't see them. Hard to miss.

One day later, puppies were still loose. The afternoon update: One was the shot by a farmer, one was hit by a truck and my mother took it to be PTS and one is still running loose.

So here it my mini rant on pet ownership...
- Do not purchase any animal unless you are willing to provide 100% care (food, water, shelter, vet)
- Have all animals spayed or neutered unless you are a RESPONSIBLE breeder who is willing to provide all of the care for both the parents and babies that you produce.
-Follow the leash law (or for horses/ goats/ cattle/ emus http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif have fencing that will keep them contained and safe)
- If for some reason you can not continue to care for any of your animals, then contact a local rescue or animal control. It is better than dumping them on the street or neglecting them.

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but it has been a rough afternoon. Forgive me.

Just My Style
Feb. 11, 2005, 11:13 AM
I am really upset and just need to vent. Why is it that people think it is ok to dump animals in rural areas? Is it because we have other animals they think we want more? Is it because they think domestic animals have a shot at learning how to make it in the wild? Do they assume everyone with a horse farm also has a puppy farm, cat farm, rabbit farm (not kidding- someone put a rabbit on the side of the road with a carrot)?

So I came across three puppies yesterday. I couldn't take them, because I was going to the dentist. I pull puppies from the road monthly and I really couldn't do it this time. I never felt so guilty in my life as I did driving away from them, but I didn't have a choice. I called animal control, the police department and the local shelter. Animal control sent out a person (so they say) and he didn't see them. Hard to miss.

One day later, puppies were still loose. The afternoon update: One was the shot by a farmer, one was hit by a truck and my mother took it to be PTS and one is still running loose.

So here it my mini rant on pet ownership...
- Do not purchase any animal unless you are willing to provide 100% care (food, water, shelter, vet)
- Have all animals spayed or neutered unless you are a RESPONSIBLE breeder who is willing to provide all of the care for both the parents and babies that you produce.
-Follow the leash law (or for horses/ goats/ cattle/ emus http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif have fencing that will keep them contained and safe)
- If for some reason you can not continue to care for any of your animals, then contact a local rescue or animal control. It is better than dumping them on the street or neglecting them.

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but it has been a rough afternoon. Forgive me.

Fessy's Mom
Feb. 11, 2005, 11:20 AM
That is heartbreaking. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I'm so sorry you had to go through that. I guess I do believe that people are just ignorant and really think that the animal will be happier "living on a farm" if they choose to no longer care for it.

As an example, I just saw the Seinfeld episode where Newman and Kramer help Elaine get rid of the dog that's driving her crazy barking at night. After she's told them she doesn't want them to kill it, Kramer tries to persuade her to let them drop off somewhere upstate where he can live on a farm. He says that the dog will be "dancing and prancing" in the fields at the farm. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

It being a TV show, of course the dog finds it's way home and the next night is barking outside Elaine's window again.

People are just stupid sometimes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

3mares
Feb. 11, 2005, 11:42 AM
wow - I can relate - about 6 weeks ago a litter of kittens was dropped off at our neighbors house - they went and hid in their wood pile - they counted 8 of them. We able to catch one on the second day (cat was cold and on their porch) they kept her, 2 days later they caught another and we now have her - the other 6 disappeared - who knows - coyote, fox, hawk - we couldn't catch them - but were feeding them at the woodpile.
do people tell themselves that these dumped pets will find nice happy homes? More than likey not - just like the puppies JMS is talking about.
Very frustrating!

mpeylin
Feb. 11, 2005, 11:49 AM
A guy that works in a different department tells a story about how when he was a boy he and his friends took puppies and put them in burlap bags and threw them over rocky cliffs (I think they were in arizona, maybe). Fortunately, I barely know him. Don't think I could relate on a day-to-day basis with him.

We had two kittens dumped in a ditch at the end of the driveway once. Guy that worked on our farm was mowing down there and thank goodness he saw them. I still have that cat - she's great. But, we lived far enough off the beaten path that no one really dumped animals. Aside from a horse once. Came home from school and found her shut in a stall with a note. Getting her up there involved a long driveway, electric gate and a not-so-friendly guard dog. We did (after about a week of asking people) finally figure otu where she came from and that she was legit.

Cherry
Feb. 11, 2005, 11:54 AM
Forget the animals--now they're throwing babies out of the cars!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Did you hear that one on the news this morning??? Ugh.

I think if you run across people dumping animals you should be allowed to shoot them (you can turn them in, but how many people get caught?)! And if by some stroke of luck they manage to live they should have something tattooed on their forehead that shows they are a "dumper", so people will monitor their every move and not sell, or give them any more animals!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I don't know how else to stop this craziness because in the end it's the animals that are hurt!

I knew someone who made it clear to people that if they were planning on dumping their animals on her property that those animals would be shot. I'm sure she didn't mean what she said, but that the remark was intended to make people think twice before stopping at her farm.... Enough is enough already, people!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

It's also way past time for a moratorium on breeding--horses included!!!!! Every creature born is a potential victim.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif I saw a poster in the vet's office that said only one out of five kittens lives to adulthood--not very good odds.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

I agree that you're preaching to the choir here though, JMS. And you are forgiven my child! It's been a rough day in this neighborhood too..... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BarbB
Feb. 11, 2005, 12:04 PM
I lived in a rural area for about 20 years and people were always dumping dogs and cats. (once a potbellied pig http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif)
I would pick them up and take them to the local pound. At least they weren't going to be run over and left to die by the road.
The one time I just ran a dog off and didn't try to catch it - I found it dead that night.
I felt so guilty that I made it a habit to try to catch them.
I did keep a few for myself. A really nice cat who the vet said probably hadn't eaten for a couple of weeks when I found her sitting in the middle of the road trying to commit suicide.
A couple of other cats.....although I had to be quick to trap them before a coyote got them.
A german shepherd cross that someone actually locked in one of my kennels http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
I still have her, she's about 13 by now.
I swore if I ever caught someone dumping an animal I would run over them.
99% of them starve to death or get chased down and eaten by a coyote, at least in that area.
Many are too traumatized to be approached by a stranger.
gggrrrrrr......ranting a little myself here http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

The Pie
Feb. 11, 2005, 12:09 PM
How sad. Poor Puppies. Yep, last week my daughter is driving home at 11pm and almost runs over a beagle running down the middle of our country road. So she brings him home, doesn't want him to get hit. We take him to animal control the next day, and he's chipped, but the owners don't want him. The sweetest guy... so now my 6 yr old lab has a new brother.
We LOVE him and it makes us sick to think someone just dumped him.

ProzacPuppy
Feb. 11, 2005, 12:28 PM
I have a new pitbull puppy courtesy of some idiot who dumped her in front of the barn where my horses are boarded. Seems that they get 2-3 strays a week lately on that road or in the vicinity.

Ghazzu
Feb. 11, 2005, 12:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cherry:
Forget the animals--now they're throwing babies out of the cars!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Did you hear that one on the news this morning??? Ugh.

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Turns out mother fabricated story--it was her kid and she didn't want him.

Giddy-up
Feb. 11, 2005, 12:38 PM
I also do not get some people's "dump it off" blase (sp?) attitude when it comes to their animals! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif They don't want their pets anymore & figure Mr Farmer surely wouldn't mind another. I want to take these people by their necks & wring them! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif Instead I sweetly smile & say "I am sure little XXXX will make lovely coyote bait". Either that freaks them out it could happen or they don't care which I then hope for something awful to happen to them in return. Maybe it's wrong of me, but I can't help it.

Vandy
Feb. 11, 2005, 12:43 PM
Ohhh tell me about it. I still remember once as a kid hearing a cat crying for hours and trying to figure out where it was. My dad finally found it in the woods behind our house, tied to a tree (and actually it had gotten a foot wedged between branches in its struggle to escape). One of my neighbors ended up adopting it.

These days, I have somewhere around a dozen barn cats - some were left by the previous owner, others that have been dumped since I moved in a few months ago, as apparently this is "the cat place" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif People suck.

merince
Feb. 11, 2005, 01:10 PM
I hear you.

Around Christmas time last year we were trying to safe a coonhound. Somebody tied the dog to a tree, the dog chewed the leash and was starved (1 on a 1-10 body scale). Big freeze. The dog was leaving bloody footprints. Wasn't letting anybody near him--later we found he was severely beaten to boot.

Finally animal control managed to catch him. He had to have one leg amputated. He was an old couple's dog and their son (or son-in-law) told them the dog run off. Turns out he did not like the dog because the dog wasn't hunting properly. He was an old couple's pet!

I wish I could get a hold of that man and tie him to a tree for a couple of weeks when it is bellow freezing. See how he likes it.

Heather
Feb. 11, 2005, 01:33 PM
My sister in law lives this question everyday. She has, conservatively, close to 50 animals (mostly cats, but just about everything else, including once, a llama tied to the mailbox) dumped on her farm every year. And they are never spayed, and almost always pregnant. Two years ago, she "foaled" out and found homes for 93 kittens. That's right, 93. She spays and neuters everything as she can catch and pay for it, but the preggers ones just keep coming. She wants to keep about 15 to 20 cats for rodent control (she calls that her critical cat mass), but she's had a many a 50.

With a few special exceptions, if you are in the barn and comment "That's a cute/pretty/sweet cat" the response will be "Want it?"

Every barn I've ever been in has had a similar problem, though hers isworse than most. I've know plenty of dogs that were dumpees.

Just My Style
Feb. 11, 2005, 02:12 PM
Your sister in law is a saint. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I always tell myself that it is not my problem, but then I stop and pick up the stray anyway. What is my problem is that I am not capable of turning away an animal in need. The time I used my "better judgement" I know have incredible guilt. All I did was try and go to the dentist and now, because of some horrible, hateful person, I feel bad. So unfair. Especially since my dogs were each safely at home sleeping on their dog beds.

I feel better because of this thread. At least there are others with sensitive hearts doing the same thing every day. I only wish we could catch the "dumpers". I would run them over with my station wagon. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

katarine
Feb. 11, 2005, 02:36 PM
I have two dumped dogs and one dumped cat.

I've taken at least a dozen, maybe 2, to the pound over the last five years.

The latest are two terribly thin, scary and scared looking dogs. I think if we see them again this weekend, we'll put them out of their misery. they won't let me anywhere near them; all they can do is spread disease, sperm, and misery. Poor dogs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Alagirl
Feb. 11, 2005, 02:36 PM
Yupp, people suck!

Shelby county Alabama has started to enforce mandatory rabies vaccination laws, and now the shelter is overflowing! People are too sorry to spent ten bucks on a critter! At least they dump'em at the pound - though they get killed anyways... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

My sister-in-law had somebody drop of Beagle pups in her driveway, off a busy highway, close enough for dogs to get run over (SIL lost her dog this way, right after she had spent some good buck getting him fixed from gunshot wounds (not testies though http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif) not once but five nights in a row! Last night she followed the culprits to their house and returned all five pups the very next night http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif!

Just because one lives in the country does not mean one needs 30 dogs and 50 cats!

But - as always, it is sooooo much easier to have soebody else pick up the tab! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Chester's Mom
Feb. 11, 2005, 02:37 PM
In my area, about 2 dozen of us who rescue the "dump-offs" have formed an e-mail group. Friends and acquaintences know that if they need to place an animal, or if they are looking for one, we can post it to our group and typically there are results within a week. It is small scale, but it really helps. Right this minute we are looking for a young but large rottie/pit/lab type mix for a friend whose 13 year old pit/lab just had to be put to sleep. In the last two years my best friend and I have managed to place 16 dogs and cats dropped (or birthed by a drop off) in our neighborhood. Only 2 had to go to a shelter (a female in heat we had no place to keep and a male lab that didn't get along with our dogs) and both of them were adopted from there. We have yet to catch a dumper though. Since we would probably beat them even more senseless I guess that is a good thing.

Anyway, the e-mail group works well since we all live within a 30 mile radius. Two of us work at large corporations that let us post the rescues on their internal bulletin boards, and we have just gotten a local low-cost spay/neuter clinic that is an absolute godsend.

None of this will fix the problem of people who have no sense of responsibility for their animals, but it makes it easier for those of us who feel responsible for every animal we meet.

I have also been known to be a pest for folks who talk about buying a puppy. Why buy a puppy if there are so many dogs (many young, some are puppies) needing rescue? I deluge them with pictures and info about rescue dogs until most see exactly what they were looking for. If you are going to show, or have a working dog you might need to go directly to a breeder, but heavens not a cardboard box at the flea market!

And what is this macho cr*p about not neutering the males? (oh, sorry, thats a personal rant at the local male population). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Magnolia
Feb. 11, 2005, 02:59 PM
You guys are good people. Thanks for finding those pets homes. Too bad you can't get a tax deduction for your expenses.

The fact that you can find ANY breed you want at the pound if you can wait a week ought to be a large clue that people don't need to be breeding MUTTS! And now they are breeding mutts and selling them for $800 as Bengi dogs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. My boss bought one - didn't want to risk the pound or rescues.

Dee
Feb. 11, 2005, 03:08 PM
This T'giving day, a month after moving to our little farm, I look out the window to see a car stopped in front of our house which is fairly isolated. When I opened the door, the car sped away, leaving a very frightened little mature chow/Aussie mix. Tight collar, tag hook but no tag. She's a delightful member of our pack now, but I wish I could find these jerks who dumped her, stick them in a car and drop them off naked in the middle of nowhere! Yeah, figure it out and good luck, a**holes!

Alagirl
Feb. 11, 2005, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Magnolia:
You guys are good people. Thanks for finding those pets homes. Too bad you can't get a tax deduction for your expenses.

The fact that you can find ANY breed you want at the pound if you can wait a week ought to be a large clue that people don't need to be breeding MUTTS! And now they are breeding mutts and selling them for $800 as Bengi dogs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. My boss bought one - didn't want to risk the pound or rescues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think your boss needs to consider responsible breeding and remove himself from the genepool!

The instant cratification...I made no friends the last time I went to trade day and told the daughter of a friend in front of a terrier puppy milling witch that it was total and complete BS that terriers where mellow dogs!

And of course the little diddy about the *free turtle* when you bought the 8$ set up! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif BTW it is illegal to sell turtles less than 4" in diameter...

Pat
Feb. 11, 2005, 04:27 PM
Yup, that's how I got my PITA cat. Love my cat, really, he just rebels against the litter box alot.

Anyway, he litterally wandered down the driveway of a barn I worked at. It was my day off, and DeJo filled in for me at Polo. The husband was going out to the ATM to get DeJo cash for the day, and there was a 5 week orange kitten at the end of the driveway. He scooped him up, and drove to the ATM and back with the kitty on his lap. After short discussion, everyone decided *I* would recieve the kitty on Monday as a surprise. Uh, ya, great, my BF hates cats, thanks. He was dirty and had some bite marks on his tummy but was otherwise OK.

Apparently Lauren! has this problem too. It seems that it's a known fact that she and her mom won't turn unwanted animals away, so they just dump them in her barn.

Ghazzu
Feb. 11, 2005, 06:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Magnolia:
And now they are breeding mutts and selling them for $800 as Bengi dogs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. My boss bought one - didn't want to risk the pound or rescues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's even scarier than that.
I saw a website today advertising a "Morky" (Maltese x Yorie) for $8,000!!!

Alagirl
Feb. 11, 2005, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ghazzu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Magnolia:
And now they are breeding mutts and selling them for $800 as Bengi dogs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. My boss bought one - didn't want to risk the pound or rescues. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's even scarier than that.
I saw a website today advertising a "Morky" (Maltese x Yorie) for $8,000!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Good Gawd! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif That definetly tops the *Munchkin* deal, toy poms with shaved butts! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif at two pounds the *perfect* pet for a child http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif where is the hurl icon when you need it!

They where *only* 5000$ per...PT Barnum would've loffed them!

Other
Feb. 11, 2005, 09:20 PM
What is this about the free turtles? And out of curiousity as well, why can't you sell tiny turts??

GatoGordo
Feb. 11, 2005, 09:30 PM
Because small turtles are easy for kids to put in their mouths, and reptiles can be assumed to have Salmonella unless proven otherwise.

4LeafCloverFarm
Feb. 11, 2005, 10:07 PM
Well, our farm is literally out in the middle of no-where - on the very edge of our county (property back up to next county). We get "strays" ALL the time. I now keep dog food at the barn, to have on hand for whoever shows up. We don't have a dog yet, as I have two elderly cats who would not appreciate a new sister/brother. They didn't grow up around dogs, and my one cat attacks them (at 17, I can't much blame her).

We've found owners for one dog, one dissapeared before I could get it to the pound (she was a hunting dog, so someone may have taken her) - I've had to have two cats put to sleep (they were posistive for FIP), and we have a new "friend" right now (so my cats can't go outside) - a cute male cat that's white with grey tabby spots (he really is adorable).

I found a shelter in a neighboring county which will neuter/spay cats for free that are feral/wild, so they can be returned to live happy lives, just not have/make any babies. It tore me up having to put those other cats to sleep. After all, what do you do with full grown feral/skiddish cats - they can't be adopted (pound won't take them) and they won't ever be lap kitties. I wish I could take ALL the animals that showed up at our farm, but I just can't. And I feel horrible (and very guilty) about it.

We've yet to have a bunny (or an EMU LOL) show up, but I wouldn't put it past people around here. My parents cats have always been "dumped" cats - as in plastic bag in the Cumberland River, dumped kitties - What is WRONG with these people?!?!?

Peggy
Feb. 11, 2005, 10:18 PM
It's not just farm neighborhoods, tho I'm sure you get the bulk of them. The guy who cuts my hair found a bag of kittens thrown in the gutter and, on a separate occasion, some ducklings. This was in Hollywood. Yes, he rescued them.

Just My Style
Feb. 12, 2005, 04:27 AM
Your post made me laugh. A friend of mine's father did construction in Chicago. He was at a site and found a duck. A domestic duck. Not your typical wild duck (mallard) who would have been there on its own accord. More along the lines of a duck given to a kid for easter that grew up. So, he put it in his car, drove it home and it lived happily in the middle of the city- with the family dog. When people would come to the house, the dog would run to the door, barking and the duck would follow, quacking.

souvenir
Feb. 12, 2005, 04:48 AM
A (now former) friend of mine kept breeding dogs because she wanted each of her three children to "experience the miracle of birth." I talked to her till I was blue in the face about what happens to said "miracle of birth" puppies that she took to the shelter "to find happy homes." She still didn't get it. To this day I still want to just smack her.

Sing Mia Song
Feb. 12, 2005, 04:52 AM
I have two dumped dogs and two dumped cats. Being a vet tech, all our pets come as charity or hard luck cases. I take every opportunity I can get to tell people birthing horror stories to get them to spay or neuter.

My neighbor is a dairy farmer, and he cuts and bales our hay for us. He refuses to take any money for the service, so I offered to trap and spay and neuter any of his barn cats for him, as new ones get dumped all the time. He said thanks, but "we like playing with the kittens, and the numbers stay pretty constant, what with the road and all." http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

So, being as the cats don't know where the property line is, I trap anything that wanders on to my land, relieve it of key parts, vaccinate it and turn it loose again. Unfortunately, all the males I've caught have been FIP and Feleuk positve, so they got put down. But I haven't found newborn kittens in my hay barn for two years now, thank god.

Dancing Lawn
Feb. 12, 2005, 05:01 AM
I promised never to turn away from an animal in need, years ago. If a cat shows up at my place, it's spayed/neutere, and it stays here until I can find it a home. Same with the dogs. Thank GOD I don't get too many of them!
I'm lucky, in that there's a cat rescue group in town, that helps with the cost of the vet! They also help to find homes. I have a couple of feral cats living in the barn, that have been trapped and spayed/neutered. If it shows up, and stays long enough to be trapped, it gets done. Imust be getting a few of the local barn/feral cats, because some of my neighbours have commented on the fact that they have fewer kittens!! the group in town has been at it for so long, that the problem of endless kittens has very nearly been done with! so it does make a difference!
Both my dogs are rescues, all 7 of my cats are, too!

And of course, so are most (but not all) of the horses!

War Admiral
Feb. 12, 2005, 05:28 AM
Am I the only one who has NOT had this problem??

I've never had anything dumped near me, ever, when living in the country. Mind you, this isn't to say that a neighbor's barn cat or two hasn't upped stakes & parked itself near me, suspecting (quite rightly) that it will be let into the nice warm house and fed...

But really - out here we seem to have more problem w/ escapees. That, and in town, the college students dumping their pets when they graduate... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Scootie
Feb. 12, 2005, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chester's Mom:
And what is this macho cr*p about not neutering the males? (oh, sorry, thats a personal rant at the local male population). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Next time, try this:

I know someone who actually is a very nice, kind compassionate man, who could not bring himself to get his dog neutered. This was part of his adoption agreement for the dog, he knew better, but he just couldn't deprive the dog of his "manhood". And I'd be a liar to say he did not truly love that dog. He got the best of everything.

The dog died of testicular cancer. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Which is not uncommon among unneutered male dogs. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

mrs.smith
Feb. 12, 2005, 06:59 AM
My grandpa had the same soft spot for his tom cat. Didn't want to have it neutered because of the whole "manhood" thing. But then, "Old Yeller", took to bringing his pregnant girlfriends home to have their babies. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Once the cat population reached 15, I trapped Old Yeller and family one by one and got them fixed. I told grandpa that he was going to end up like one of those elderly people you see on the news who are trapped in a house full of cats, if he didn't let me do it.

Old Yeller lived out his days as a much happier, fat old cat. Grandpa still has four of his "grandkittens" that he kept as pets. Now if only he would stop feeding all the neighbor's cats..... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

Scootie
Feb. 12, 2005, 07:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GatoGordo:
Because small turtles are easy for kids to put in their mouths, and reptiles can be assumed to have Salmonella unless proven otherwise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kind of ironic that Legislation can occur absent the well-being of the animal, but to protect the little kids who are simply too young to have a pet in the first place.

My sister had one of those "tiny turts" (that makes me giggle when I say it out loud) when we were kids. Her tiny turt was green and yellow and cute and his name was Oscar. He didn't live very long, but we were well past the putting turtles in your mouth phase.

I have a wonderful dog who simply walked into my back door. No owner was ever located, and it seems there was a rash of dumped animals in the neighborhood at the time.

My kitty was one of a litter that was adopted from under a building. Next door to us is a family who runs a "cat factory". The cats just keep making more cats and any who die or dissappear (quite a lot) are simply replaced the next year. The people could not afford to take proper care of them even if they were so inclined to do so. They won't even give them away. I lost my kitty's brother to FIP a couple years ago. The vet said this was not common unless the cats are exposed to a lot of other cats. None of my cats' siblings have ever gotten it, so I'm pretty sure where it came from. The did not recommend testing for our other cat unless we needed the info, such as if we were planning to adopt another cat or to move.

There are no other cats around here (surprise, surprise) other than the factory cats, so we continue to let the cat go out whenever she wants to. She loves being a great outdoors kitty. But we can not have another cat as long as she is here, and if we go somewhere, we have to make other arrangements than boarding her. Plus she may be on borrowed time, although according to the vet if she survives past a certain age, she will probably be OK.

It's a real bummer though. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Alagirl
Feb. 12, 2005, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Other:
What is this about the free turtles? And out of curiousity as well, why can't you sell tiny turts?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the tiny turtles are not as easy to keep - they die quickly if not handled with proper care, but the driving force I bet was the Salmonella deal.

But you do not have to strain yourself to find those little buggers! The Fish store has them *for educational purposes*! and you get the *free* turtle - but never without the set-up! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif Oh, BTW, the majority of the little buggers are redeared sliders - they can bite you like the dickens when they get big! And they are also dumped in the country side! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Andrew
Feb. 12, 2005, 08:39 AM
Living in the Redland section of Miami/Homestead, which is 98% tropical nurseries, folks from the city drive down and let Fido, Mido, Lido out all over the place down here. Unfortuneately, we have way to many puppy stores, aka from the midwest puppy millers and they sell these adorable puppies for rediculous prices $1500 + and then they grow up and out to the Redlands they come. Someone just dropped off a St. Bernard. Who in their right or left mind would have that kind of dog in Miami?? that goodness it's been cold, by our standards, that I don't think he's suffering from the heat yet!. We see a huge drop off of dogs out here from May- October. We literally have several packs of dogs: Dalmations, Great Danes, Boxers, Ridgebacks and of course little ones too; terriers and mutts. Our doggie police doesn't do a thing. There are also Pitt Bull fits that are underground and those who loose also are dropped off. Thank goodness all 5 acres here is all chainlinked fenced... don't get me started...... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

furlong47
Feb. 12, 2005, 08:52 AM
People dump cats at the driveway of the barn all the time. Especially pregnant ones or litters of kittens. We already have three of our own barn cats (spayed and neutered) and people must think we need hundreds more or something. We've found that three is just the right number, so we do the best we can to find homes for the ones left here, but sometimes they have to go to the shelter. It's sad, but we're a riding stable, not a cat rescue.

Albion
Feb. 12, 2005, 09:08 AM
Unfortunately, people seem to think a great option for getting rid of unwanted animals is dumping.

I just started fostering for a pitbull/other "bad" breeds rescue - my first foster is a little tank of a 5 month old pitbull puppy. He was apparently EXTREMELY emaciated when he came in & had road rash all over his body from where he'd gotten tossed out of a car. He's the sweetest love bug. Everyone who meets him just loves him - and someone just tossed him out of a car on a rural road. Thankfully, he got to the shelter (where they just loved him & even though they can't adopt out pitbulls, thought he was the greatest thing & called the rescue I'm working with) & is now happily living in my house, with plenty of food, down comforters, and love. Here (http://members.cox.net/mcgreene/MVC-075F.JPG) are my little terrors taking a nap (the foster puppy is the tan one - you can see part of his road rash on his left haunch - that pink thing is a nasty, puffy scar) & here (http://members.cox.net/mcgreene/tn_DSCF0386.JPG) he is being a yuppy puppy & hanging out at the coffee shop.

But ... it doesn't just happen in rural areas. My rescue took a dog who had been tied up & left to die in NYC - she has chemical burns over a great portion of her body & her face looked like hamburger (rather, her lower lip looked like fingers). It's obvious that she has been TERRIBLY abused, but she still loves people. And some @#$%@@# just left her out to die. But she has a happy ending - she's had surgery, looks like a "normal" dog, save for the scarring that will never go away, and is at a loving foster home. You can read her story here (http://www.hotwaterrescue.com/brooklynangel.htm) (the pictures at the top are a little graphic). Unfortunately, for every one that gets a loving home, there are who knows how many who don't. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

People just really suck sometimes, and it's shocking to me that animals can be regarded as so disposable. And we wonder why our world is in such a state. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Melzy
Feb. 12, 2005, 09:57 AM
To answer your question.....it is because irresponsible people will dump their problems on others who are obviously compassionate towards animals. I HATE irresponsible owners of any kind! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Sadly, it doesn't just happen in rural areas. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif I live in a populated townhouse community. When when my next door neighbor moved, she left her indoor cat outside in the freezing temperatures to fend for herself. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I took her in and my catfriend, who actively does TNR (trap/neuter/release) found her a loving home with someone else. My friend also notified all rescue and shelter organizations not to let this family have another animal. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif Formal charges for abandoning can be brought up against my former neighbor but it is not likely a reality. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I paid $125.00 each for 2 kittens from 2 different rescue groups. These rescue groups spay/neuter and give shots before you can adopt. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif The fee helps offset some of the costs. I adore my indoor only kitties but actually, now they own me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Yes, you are preaching to the choir here; but vent away anytime. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif God bless you and so many others who try and help a needy innocent creature who has been betrayed and left to die. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Best wishes all.

Ibex
Feb. 12, 2005, 10:08 AM
It's not just in the country. I picked up a TINY kitten off the centre median of a very busy divided highway (the 400 just north of the 401 for all Torontonions http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif) highway last summer. The only way she could have gotten there was if it'd been thrown from a moving car. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I was in the passing lane and just happened to glance left and saw it - thankfully the shoulder is wide there and I could pull off and grab the poor thing. Probably gave a few drivers heart attacks in the process tho http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

It was pretty banged up and the vet had to take it's tail off (it was mostly gone already). I already have two cats, and a third wasn't an option, but it ends happily because one of the girls at the vet clinic took her home http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Goodyfourshoes!
Feb. 12, 2005, 03:38 PM
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Voe
Feb. 12, 2005, 03:39 PM
My friend recently rescued a 3-month-old kitten off the side of the highway. Her mom was driving with her and her grandmother in the car. Well, her mom saw the cat, yelled "mom! take the wheel!", opened the door and picked up the kitten from a moving car. The poor little kitty had fleas, ticks, lice, and was absolutely covered in ants. I went over that day and helped give her a flea bath (that kitten was NOT pleased) She was quite thin when they got her, but now she's big an round and happy. They can't keep her indefinitely though, and they can't seem to find a good home for her. So yes, I sympathize, definitely, and I agree that people who dump their animals need to be hit with something large and heavy.

Lin
Feb. 12, 2005, 04:27 PM
I grew up on a farm, and while we fed strays and took them too the rabies clinic fo that shot, they still didn't have a great life expecatency.

Also, what exactly is FIB? I assume some sort of incurable, contagious disease affecting cats but what is the infection vector and symptoms?

TIA

Ibex
Feb. 12, 2005, 04:59 PM
Yup Goodyfourshoes, Toronto highways are NASTY. I think my passenger was in shock because she had no idea what was going on until I dumped the poor thing in her lap. Did I mention she's NOT an animal person? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

People's reactions to animal rescues are funny. Most people who heard about it took the "that was crazy! You could have gotten hurt!". Then we have my mother who asked me if I'd gone back far enough to ensure that there were no other kittens... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

furlong47
Feb. 12, 2005, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lin:
Also, what exactly is FIB? I assume some sort of incurable, contagious disease affecting cats but what is the infection vector and symptoms?

TIA </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it's a typo of FIV... Feline Immunodeficiency Virus or basically the cat form of HIV. It's transmitted mostly through bites. There is no cure, and a cat with FIV should be kept alone to avoid spreading the FIV to other cats and also to avoid him getting a disease or infection from the other cats which could be life-threatening due to the lowered immune response.

situpandride
Feb. 12, 2005, 05:36 PM
I have the puppies posted on the free board, this is the 3rd hound that has shown up here, skinny, sick and begging for help, but this one was pregnant!!!!!
As far as the cats, we have a huge fiv epidemic where i live per my vet, so if i can trap a stray I do, get it tested and if it's positive put it down, other wise, neuter it and bring it home. I hate the idea of outdoor cats, they live hard lives but I can't bring any more inside, my inside cats are my pets and couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, so I now have a motley crew of barn cats, that I gather up every year for shots, now that's a big ordeal as they are basically feral, at last count there are 5 of them but I am reaching critical mass, so the next ones will go to a/c. we have no shelter here and when they go to a/c they get held for 3 days and pts, a/c does no placement, they are held at a local vets office and no attempt is made to adopt them out. It is probably kinder than getting diseased and killed in the woods but it's still so sad.

Goodyfourshoes!
Feb. 12, 2005, 05:52 PM
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nightsong
Feb. 12, 2005, 06:00 PM
Boy, you folks are NASTY!!!!! Wanting to run me over, etc. etc. etc. etc.!!!!! Yes, i DID put a cat at the side of the road in a farm-area once. I had ALWAYS heard that that's how you GET good homes for animals. What did *I* know??? I was 19. And why was I being an "irresponsible owner" in the FIRST place? I wasn't. I had offered to be a "foster home" for the local Humane Society, they IMMEDIATELY dumped a bunch of cats on me. I NEVER got contqcted by them unless they wanted to dump SOME MORE, although I got reamed out by one of the owners who dumped on the HUMANE SOCIETY by not doing what shw wanted to be done for/to her cat. (note: NO MONEY For this; it was all at my OWN EXPENSE, including the LARGE vet bills for a herniated cat). And when I would call, asking if they had found homes for any of these animals, the humane society "had no record" of me. They SURE had my "record" when they wanted to dump MORE!!! Well, to make a long story short (too late, though, isn't it!!!!!), I paid for ads in the local publications to get homes for all but one, and ended up doing what I had always been TOLD TO DO to get an animal a good home, putting him at the edge of a nice-looking farm, when I moved far away from that awful place. SO, EDUCATE, don't threaten to kill us. We're doing what we've ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, ALL OUR LIVES, is the best thing for the animal. Truly, and YOU've heard it YOURSELF...

Sobriska
Feb. 12, 2005, 06:05 PM
It so does suck that people get animals and then tire of them and think nothing of just ditching them. We have 3 dogs and 3 cats. Only one of our dogs became ours by OUR choice, on purpose. SHe is a lab that my hubby and I puppywalked for the Guide Dog Foundation. WHen she could no longer be a Guide Dog, we were asked if we wanted her back. Our chow mix, I found in the middle of the street on the way home one night. There were 2. We placed his brother and kept him. Our other dog, a purebred Golden was found wandering the highway and turned in to the pound, where we adopted her after hearing she was to be put down. (Don't even ask about that whole mess). Our oldest cat was given to us by a friend who had 5 kittens dumped at his house. One of our cats was adopted from my vet, the day we put our old Sheltie to sleep. (this cat begged me to take him home, and made me smile through the tears of losing our old girl). The other cat was dumped at a neighbor's the day after we lost our old tiger cat. As her dogs were tormenting the kitten and my friend knew we had just lost a tiger kitty, she asked if I would take him. This one looked very little like our old tiger, but his mannerisms are so similar it is easy to believe he was a gift from God.
One of my friends and I has kind of a running joke on who gets the next dumped critter. She has a 40 acre farm and last year got 1 pregnant cat, 1 purebred black lab (who easily found a new family) and one rottie something (that she still has) Momma cat had 5 kittens and she still has everyone. At the time this cat showed up, my friend was mourning the loss of her old barn cat that had gotten eaten by an owl.
While, it is not right to dump animals, sometimes the animals get lucky. And sometimes the people that keep them do too. I wouldn't trade my mutt, my rescue dog, or my kitties for anything. But I do hope it is a few years before I get graced with any other critters.

Albion
Feb. 12, 2005, 07:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We're doing what we've ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, ALL OUR LIVES, is the best thing for the animal. Truly, and YOU've heard it YOURSELF... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't possibly be serious? The "best" idea is to dump an animal? In some rural area where it could get run over, etc? What a bunch of bull.

Sorry you got taken advantage of by the humane society - out of curiosity, why did you keep accepting the animals? I'm a foster home for a pitbull rescue & the only thing I pay for is food. Everything else is covered by the rescue. I get final yes/no say over a dog coming into my home. I checked the rescues I was interested in fostering in out as much as they investigated me - perhaps you should have done the same.

It's not a matter of being nasty, it's a matter that people who care about animals shouldn't be DUMPING them for OTHER people to take care of. Take them to a humane society, or private rescue group. Throwing them out into the wild is simply cruel, and giving the animal a seriously uncertain fate.

nightsong
Feb. 12, 2005, 07:33 PM
Yes, I AM serious. And the "Seinfeld" episode that someone quoted earlier in this thread proves it. Truly. And about you reaming me out for taking rescues in and givine them a home, I SAID I was 19 years old.

Albion
Feb. 12, 2005, 07:35 PM
Oh? And as a concerned animal lover, you actually believed it?

Give me a break.

nightsong
Feb. 12, 2005, 07:39 PM
You know, the Rule No. 1 of this whole Bulletin Board is Be Nice, Be Respectful, Be Polite. This whole NASTY, VIOLENT thread is in violation.

Goodyfourshoes!
Feb. 12, 2005, 10:03 PM
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Smigget
Feb. 12, 2005, 11:45 PM
We got two kittens off the side of the road several years, very very young things, one was under the side walk, the other was running out into the middle of a busy street. The brave one grew up to be a fat, dignified snob to totally owned us, the other one is still as chicken. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

My sister worked at a vet clinic where people were always dropping off kittens, which she, in turn, would take home. Most of the kittens were WAY too young to be weaned. We kept one of the older ones.

Another kitten we picked up from the side of the road ended up giving us a HORRIBLE case of ringworm, and we gave it to almost every one we knew before we knew what it was.... but that's another story.

Sannois
Feb. 13, 2005, 03:48 AM
UGH This is my biggest pet peeve! I live in a pretty rural area, Lots of woods etc. I dont have my horse at home but I have alot of land. A few days before Xmas this past one, A small grey tiger and a grey and white sibling were on my back deck. Flea collars and all. Cold and hungry. Now I have 3 spayed females that are house kittys and 2 are rather old, the youngest is another Dumpee from 3 years ago. Well to make a long story short, I started feeding them, and made a nice bed for them in our shed. Warming there food when it was sub Zero, They are brother and sister and just the sweetest things! I would estimate they are between 5 and six months of age, judging by the little boys "Jewel" size! She is smaller than him. Well almost 2 months have gone by, and they are still here, Run to greet me when my truck drives in. They were very hand shy and skittish when I first started to interact with them. I have talked to every barn owner I know, No one wants more kittys. They have torn my heart in little pieces. MY husband actually has offered to pay to spay and neuter them, BUT heres the rub. I think the little female is Pregnant! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif Her belly is quite firm and round, OMG! Now what? I am broken hearted cause I know they will have to go to the animal shelter, I dont think any vets will spay her at this stage, although I know that some will when they are not that far along, ie you cant tell. All this to clean up someone elses irresponsibility! IT makes me crazy! Hubby says they can be outside kittys! Well the problem is I have already chased off 2 nasty looking feral Toms with a shot gun! And they are spraying all over the place! AGH! Advise anyone??? Would you just take them to the pound?? Anyone in MI want 2 sweet barn kittys??? Or even house kittys?? They even have gotten 3 little moles and 2 mice, in this cold weather and left them on the deck for me! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif Someone please help me... This is just killing me! I cant seem to find an animal rescue , The Humane society here is no help, You cant even talk to a live person, they say leave a message! UGH! And I know the animal shelter will come get them but GOD How can i after all this! They are so sweet and unasuming! Never make a fuss no crying at the window, Just so excited when they see me! I tell my house kittys who look at them like ugh Trash! See how lucky you are! You take all this for granted! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Just My Style
Feb. 13, 2005, 04:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Boy, you folks are NASTY!!!!! Wanting to run me over, etc. etc. etc. etc.!!!!! Yes, i DID put a cat at the side of the road in a farm-area once. I had ALWAYS heard that that's how you GET good homes for animals. What did *I* know??? I was 19. And why was I being an "irresponsible owner" in the FIRST place? I wasn't. I had offered to be a "foster home" for the local Humane Society, they IMMEDIATELY dumped a bunch of cats on me. I NEVER got contqcted by them unless they wanted to dump SOME MORE, although I got reamed out by one of the owners who dumped on the HUMANE SOCIETY by not doing what shw wanted to be done for/to her cat. (note: NO MONEY For this; it was all at my OWN EXPENSE, including the LARGE vet bills for a herniated cat). And when I would call, asking if they had found homes for any of these animals, the humane society "had no record" of me. They SURE had my "record" when they wanted to dump MORE!!! Well, to make a long story short (too late, though, isn't it!!!!!), I paid for ads in the local publications to get homes for all but one, and ended up doing what I had always been TOLD TO DO to get an animal a good home, putting him at the edge of a nice-looking farm, when I moved far away from that awful place. SO, EDUCATE, don't threaten to kill us. We're doing what we've ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, ALL OUR LIVES, is the best thing for the animal. Truly, and YOU've heard it YOURSELF... </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You know, the Rule No. 1 of this whole Bulletin Board is Be Nice, Be Respectful, Be Polite. This whole NASTY, VIOLENT thread is in violation.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>My only response to this is that every county has an an animal control officer who will pick up unwanted animals. They often work with the shelter and will provide vet care and assess whether or not an animal is suitable for adoption and then put it in the adoption program. There are also local humane societies that are sometimes not affiliated with the county shelter. If that is not an option to someone (for some unknown reason) then you can go on www.petfinder.com (http://www.petfinder.com) and find a local rescue group that will be able to help you. If you were really confused, then you could call any vets office for advice and they would direct you to everything I have said above.

If a persons age, mental ability, finances, whatever, prohibits them from making a good decision in regards to animal care, then the resources are available to you to have others help.

Thank you and have a nice day. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

minimouse
Feb. 13, 2005, 05:15 AM
A friend of mine found 3 kittens dumped on her road (in a rural area) one night. She stopped to pick them up and when she got them in the light recognized them as some kittens belonging to some people in a neighborhood where she walks. She drove to the house, knocked on the front door, and said to the man - "I found your kittens all the way over on my road." He acted very surprised! .... I loved it!

Babs
Feb. 13, 2005, 05:45 AM
We are probably preaching to the choir, here. COTHers are about as animal-oriented and caring towards creatures as it gets http://chronicleforums.com/infopop/blank.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Let's see, the animals that were dumped at the farm where I cared for the horses when I was a kid: a duck; goats; a pregnant ewe; cats, of course, though the very territorial barn cat did a good job of keeping them far away from'her' humans. Oh, and a Standardbred mare in foal (the owner did eventually come back for them).

Sannois
Feb. 13, 2005, 06:24 AM
Someone PLEASE??? See my above post! Help me decide what to do with these sweet babies! I am so at a loss! What would you fellow saps who get all the dumpees do?
As I sit here at my computer and look out on the front porch there they are, Playing with each other! And they wash each others faces, it is so sweet. Meanwhile my 3 inside HATE each other! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

furlong47
Feb. 13, 2005, 06:51 AM
Sannois, why don't you check with local vets and the cheap "Spay Day" type services and see if someone WILL spay her in her condition. When I took my cat to get neutered at our local spay mobile, they did have a note up that if your cat was pregnant, she would be spayed anyway. I know it sounds horrible, but does this world really need any more kittens when there are already so many looking for homes? Also if she really is pregnant but living outside in the winter cold, she may self abort. Possibly even more so if her brother is the father and the kittens have defects.

Sannois
Feb. 13, 2005, 06:58 AM
Thankyou furlong, I am going to do just that. I was wondering why she was carrying at all, I dont know for sure the Brother is the father, never seen him on her but, I know they aren't selective. I agree with the world not needing anymore kittens! I wish someone would want these 2 sweet kittys! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Louise
Feb. 13, 2005, 07:36 AM
Sannois, try posting the kittens in the givaway forum. After, of course, you've found out if the one kitten is indeed pregnant. People have had pretty good luck finding good homes for kittens and puppies there.

Just My Style
Feb. 13, 2005, 07:54 AM
Sannois- you can also visit www.petfinder.com (http://www.petfinder.com) and contact a local rescue. I am sure they have some good resources and good advice to give you that would be specific to your area. (Click on shelters and then plug in your location. It should be bring up a big list.)Lots of luck with your situation.

Susan P
Feb. 13, 2005, 08:38 AM
This rant is so justified but probably the morons who dump the animals won't be reading this unfortunately. It isn't just ignorant it's illegal to abandon an animal and they are to take them to local shelters and not make it other people's problem.

BTW, I've taken in plenty of strays too so I don't just ignored the abanded and rejected, like the op I am totally ticked off about the criminals that dump animals.

I'm also very angry about pest control people who capture unwanted pests and drop them off in the country. What do they think we want with extra groundhogs digging holes in the pasture and other creatures that they've built overtop of? They need to live with the urban wildlife. Unless they cause a problem they need to leave them alone in their backyards. They have a right to live there too.

Everyone wants to live their safe and sanitary lives and still not kill the animals in their backyard. It's the burbs.

Rambler
Feb. 13, 2005, 08:43 AM
Its nice to know that others are going through this too. We are always getting cats dropped off at our stable and we have one adopted puppy. The kittens are often wild and sick, it just breaks my heart. We had one person try and drop a cat off and they actually asked first if we wanted it. We said no but they dropped it off anyway and it was squished on the road a day later. I was also really pissed at a family friend who tied his do outside, un-neutered, and was so surprised when it got pregnant...he just doesnt care. We also have a lot of backyard horse breeding that goes on around here, one guy just breeds them but none of them are broke, he just likes to go around to the local stables and blab about their bloodlines. Who cares? It can stand around being well bred all day but its still 4 and unbroke! Grrr.

Sannois
Feb. 13, 2005, 08:48 AM
Thank you so much Just my style. I have found lots in my area thanks to your link! I have just emailed a cat rescue that is close to me! There are several ooptions! so I will keep you posted! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Say a little prayer that these sweet babies will find someone who want them! I want them my three other ones dont! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Racetb*Aefvue Farm*Biziz Ltd.
Feb. 13, 2005, 09:00 AM
Don't feel bad..Our pond at the farm is visible from the road and already filled with my demented assortment of fowl, but every week there are new additions of mean old geese, deformed ducks, guinea hens, turkeys..you name it!! My corn feed bill is higher than my horse feed bill..and I've got 10 horses! Also the usual cats and dogs are dumped, but my favorite was a basket containing 2 baby prairie dogs http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif..they were tucked in a basket behind the pet cottage door one night when I went down for evening stables!!

P.S. Of course all the drop offs still live with me..I'll never have a vacation as long as I draw breath.

BasqueMom
Feb. 13, 2005, 09:15 AM
Sannois,

You can get spay quite late into pregnancy--had one done a few months ago. Although I had been keeping an eye on her, she wasn't around every day and then showed up bulging. Since she had already added three kittens to the population when she showed up last summer.......

Now she's quite content to spend her evenings on the porch. While recovering from spaying in our tack room, she seemed quite content to be an inside cat. It took her two days to decide to go back out when offered.

BasqueMom
Feb. 13, 2005, 09:37 AM
Can't help but add to this. We moved from Colorado to Texas three years with three cats, a dog and three horses. Fortunately, the horses still only number three but there are a couple standing behind sagging barbed wire fences I would like to bring home. We now have 2 dogs (GoldieBear was dumped, hurt), and six cats. One we took from a neighbor's barn (yes, she got the mom neutered), one we found along a back road one cold November night (tiny little calico) and one showed up at the barn one rainy, cold January night while I was feeding.

Then there's the swirly gray cat that comes from the vicinity of the barn that I can only get within ten feet--appears to be altered.
Mama Gray who sort of knocked around the neighborhood, not staying anywhere very long, showed up last summer with three kittens in tow.
She's neutered, one son is neutered and two to go. Plus the orange/white super sweet tommy--he's next on the list. Also have five fosters for the local humane society--two have been with me since June. Sigh! The local humane society does provide food and litter and vet work. But am feeding five cats beyond our own six, and taking care (litter box, feeding duties for eleven cats). No wonder the house never gets cleaned.

My neigbor has also had lots of puppies and cats dumped off on her. Her barn cat population has gotten out of hand but she's gotten seven trapped and fixed and working on the the rest at last.

In Colorado, we rarely saw a stray dog or cat in our area although I did find our border collie along the road on the way home from town. She was one of three found dogs in six years time and found the owners of the other two the same day. One owner came back with a huge bouquet of flowers for us.

Keep saying no more, but keep feeding. I've heard coyotes catch cats around here and it's not pretty. So maybe by feeding them, I've kept them a little out of harms way because they haven't had to go hunting. Sigh!

HerMajesty
Feb. 13, 2005, 10:56 AM
Certainly a peeve of mine. Almost every cat and dog I've owned and now own, has been dumped in a rural area. If not, it's been passed on to me because "can't you take him/her -- you have a farm!" Strange how people think. Sadly, these dogs and cats have a tough go if people like myself and others on this board do not find them at the end of their driveway. They are more likely to starve in a rural area and get killed by coyotes than if they were dumped in an urban area. Or hit by a car. One of my current dogs was dumped at a nearby rural intersection and would not leave that corner - he would get excited and jump around whenever a car came by - what a sad site. Eventually I was able to leash him and coax him to come home with me.

Many years ago I watched as a guy(barely!) stopped his pick-up and tossed a German Shepherd into the ditch. That poor dog needed major rehab but eventually I was able to find him a permanent home. I honestly don't know how these people can sleep at night.

The weirdest story is a small mule who was dumped in my driveway. I looked out to see a man unloading this creature from the back of pick-up truck. I ran outside and he started screaming at me in broken English how he had purchased this animal from an auction and it was supposed to be donkey....he didn't want it so "here, you take it". He just took off and there I was with this funny little thing.
To the guy's credit at least he made an attempt to place her in a home - he could have neglected her instead.
She is still going strong 28 years later.:-)

Susan P
Feb. 13, 2005, 11:03 AM
I don't think you can expect any leniency here. I was 17 with a dog that I couldn't care for and still had enough sense to know you don't dump it the on a farm. My family used to do that, and in those days (30 years ago) it was not as unusual. Even at that, I had the sense to know the difference, a lot of people knew better than to do that. It boils down to caring for the animal or not.

Please don't ask for any sympathy for what you did. If you were getting more than you could handle from the Humane Association, you should have taken them all back to them directly, duh!

If you don't like the reaction you got in here, why in the world would you post the dumbest and hopefully the cruelest thing you've ever done to an animal where you could clearly see the way we all feel about it. Also, you show no repentence but seem arrogant and defensive.

By the way, the Humane Association you dealt with was a disgrace. And Sienfeld always uses the ridiculous ideas that are often unethical and you should recognize that when it's Kramer's idea.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nightsong:
Yes, I AM serious. And the "Seinfeld" episode that someone quoted earlier in this thread proves it. Truly. And about you reaming me out for taking rescues in and givine them a home, I SAID I was 19 years old. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sannois
Feb. 13, 2005, 12:10 PM
Well Folks I think I have found a solution to My two Dumpees, The Rescue emailed me back and said Sure she would take them. She gave me her phone Number and I am calling her tomorrow. She asked if I could drive them to her place, OF Course, I would probably take them anywhere, if I knew they would be loved and not abandoned. But wouldn't you know it, as I read her email I started balling! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I have fallen in love with the two little sweet things! Oh I forgot, I did name them after the second day they were her! Angel, and Handsome! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif I hate what people do to animals! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

furlong47
Feb. 13, 2005, 12:39 PM
Oh I did forget about the horse... a girl who used to ride at our place, but since got her own farm, had bought a horse and either found it to be lame or worked it too hard and it became lame. So one night her parents apparently dumped it in our field with the herd. As if we weren't going to notice the extra horse and figure out where it came from when she suddenly had one less.

Ghazzu
Feb. 13, 2005, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nightsong:
Yes, I AM serious. And the "Seinfeld" episode that someone quoted earlier in this thread proves it. Truly. And about you reaming me out for taking rescues in and givine them a home, I SAID I was 19 years old. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A person who gets their animal care tips from a sitcom should not be fostering strays for the HS.

Just My Style
Feb. 13, 2005, 01:13 PM
Sannois- That is great. I fall in love with all of them too. I would keep in touch with the rescue. They will let you know how the adoption is going. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I always feel that when I pull them off the street, I am giving them a second chance. Even if I am forced to turn them in to animal control, I know that they will look over their health, determine if they are adoptable and put them in the adoption program. If for some reason they are determined unadoptable, at least they do not die a death of starvation, being hit by a car, being eaten by coyotes, etc. I wish the shelters did not have to euthanize, but sadly, they are often left with out a choice. My local shelter alone got in 6000+ animals in the month of June last year. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Ghazzu- http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

jilltx
Feb. 13, 2005, 01:30 PM
I lived in the *country* for two years and in that time I had over ten cats dumped on me (that I was able to catch). Some found their way to me (completely feral) and others were obviously someone's pet (hungry friendly types). All but one were unaltered. I ended up keeping four of them for myself and the others were taken to no kill shelters with generous donations of cash and food. I could not keep them all. It was very frustrating and heartbreaking (one had to be euthanized from head trauma)and EXPENSIVE but it was the right thing to do.

It is absoloutely positively unacceptable to dump/abandon animals EVER and for ANY reason. Euthanasia (by injection) is MUCH kinder and quicker than starving, being hit by cars or attacked by other animals and left to "fend for themselves". Lets also not forget that not everyone is *kind* to strays in the country. They are shot, poisoned, etc.,...

SOMEONE has to be responsible somewhere along the line.

nightsong
Feb. 13, 2005, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ghazzu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nightsong:
Yes, I AM serious. And the "Seinfeld" episode that someone quoted earlier in this thread proves it. Truly. And about you reaming me out for taking rescues in and givine them a home, I SAID I was 19 years old. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A person who gets their animal care tips from a sitcom should not be fostering strays for the HS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um, the "Seinfeld" show quoted, which I didn't see, aired approximately 20 years after the incident mentioned, when the Humane Society wouldn't take back the animals they dumped on me.

Susan P
Feb. 13, 2005, 02:12 PM
A lady at our local grocery store deli was at my vet's one day and she told me she has 30 cats that were all dumped at her farm. She gets them all fixed and cares for them. It is an overwhelming burdon. I believe she tries to find them homes but has little luck with it. She was there with one of her rescues that day. This woman deserves the medal of honor.

People that abandon animals should be in jail and if they were caught and correctly prosecuted they would be. Anyone that seriously suggests that you abandon an animal anywhere but to a shelter is suggesting you commit a crime. If they tell you to steal from a store because it's the best way to get a good deal you would still be punished. Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law.

Erin
Feb. 13, 2005, 02:53 PM
Can we try to keep this topic restricted to pets being dumped on farms/ in horse country? I know we're all animal nuts, but this BB really isn't the place to be talking about general pet dumping...

BTW, those of you with farms who get a lot of feline dumpees... if you check with local rescues and vets, you can probably find someplace that will do vet work at a reduced cost if you're "rescuing" the animal and letting it stay on your farm. (Like the abovementioned lady with 30 cats.)

sid
Feb. 13, 2005, 03:11 PM
Why...because they know that people like me (and many on this board) will either take them in, get health care for them or find them homes.

Over the 12 years, I've had at least 15 felines and 6 dogs (adults, puppies and kittens) which made their way to my farm as a result of being dumped. Smart critters...they knew where to come! 5 kittens and 3 puppies became my own wonderful companions...the rest I spent a bundle on for vet care and finding great homes.

In fact, my local vet started giving me a "community service discount" for all the business I sent him having the "dumpees" vetted, immunized, neutered, etc. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I'm just glad that those who dump animals on or near farms like mine, at least have enough of a conscience to try to throw them toward people who they know are likely to help these critters.

And I'm glad to do it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

sid
Feb. 13, 2005, 03:15 PM
Oh yea...forgot to mention the silver fox (that's right, the kind they make fur coats from) that wandered in one day.

The owner of this exotic pet let him get loose in the national park which borders my property...of course, he wound up at my place. Beautiful animal that had been living in a townhouse! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Sing Mia Song
Feb. 13, 2005, 03:29 PM
For those in the maryland area, the Animal Welfare Society of Howard County does low cost spay/neuter/testing/vax. I used to volunteer there as a tech, and I still do the "neuterathons" that they have occasionally. Their number is 410-465-4350. It's a nice facility, all the vets and techs are volunteer, and the people who run it (Shelley and Robin) are just gems. AWS (http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/animalwelfare.html)

There's also SNAP (Spay and Neuter All Pets) and POP (through Frederick Co Humane Society, I think), which offer discounted certificates. You have to find a vet who will take them, but they do help significantly.

This is a great resource page for low cost spay/neuters.

Spay/Neuter (http://www.lovethatcat.com/spayneuter.html#md)

Susan P
Feb. 13, 2005, 03:32 PM
There's still quite a few farms including horse farms that allow their cats to breed indiscriminently and neglect both their dogs and cats. I know of 2 popular horse farms in my area that grossly neglect their dogs and cats. They believe the old wives tale, if you feed them they won't mouse. Nothing could be further from the truth.

If you're at a farm that breeds dogs and cats, please speak up and tell them that it's wrong and there are so many at the shelters and because of the overpopulation they are destroyed. If we all speak up for them they may be shamed into spaying and neutering and even feeding them. It's so sad to be at a barn and watch such gross neglect. One of the barns even got mad because I fed the cats. I didn't stay at either barn too long, it was an awful thing to see.

For those that actually try the line, this is nature, think again, they are domesticated animals, and now they depend on humans.

Sannois
Feb. 13, 2005, 04:04 PM
The barn cats where I keep my horse are wewll fed! And they are just the 2 best Mousers ever! My little "Dumpees" are micing and moling around my place since they have called it home! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif They mouse because they are fed and happy! You cant starve a barn kitty and expect results!

realplayer
Feb. 13, 2005, 06:59 PM
Our barn has a contract with a city park to do pony rides. People resort to dumping animals at the park for our barn to take home. As our BO is a big softie we end up up all manner of critters. The cutest is the duck that was some kids Easter gift that grew too big, was dumped at the park but was not accepted by the resident flock. Our BO took her home, she bonded with the chickens and prances around all day with the big shot rooster. No kidding here...she spends each night int the barn in a crate and the rooster waits at the door for her every morning. And of course each spring there is an influx of new kitties that people drop off under cover of darkness. The BO has all of her barn cats spayed/neutered and does the same with the drop offs then tries to entice the boarders to take one home. If that fails she either adopts them or finds them a new home. And we are NOT rural at all. The park where the duck was dumped is in the city, we are in the burbs. Go figure.

OLD A/O
Feb. 13, 2005, 07:01 PM
It is not just city people who dump cats and dogs off in a remote area. Sometimes it is farm people too.

It does not matter were you live. It comes down to the person's morals.

Rumor has it that in our small rural town that most of the stray cats dumped recently came from a very large farm in town. I am not talkng about two or three cats here. I am talking about twenty cats dumped off.

Of course, none of us in town can prove it but we all have a good idea were they came from. This farmer's wife has cat houses on her porch and there has to be at least fifteen houses.

She does not spay them or get them vet care. Some of the cats are very sick and skinny. When you speak with her about the cats, some of them are her pets and some of them she really dislikes.

It just comes down to being a responsible pet owner and not were you live.

Susan P
Feb. 14, 2005, 04:36 AM
It really is about morals and being a responsible person. It's also about having compassion for other living creatures.

But if you don't want a pet and can't take care of one to the end of it's days, don't take it in the first place. It's so simple. Taking responsibility also means not reproducing an animal that is not assured a good home and not contributing to the overpopulation of pets.

Let's clean out the animal shelters first and consider saving all ridable horses before breeding more that you know are only grade.

BeastieSlave
Feb. 14, 2005, 06:06 AM
The length of this thread is testimony to our kind hearts and the fact that some people shouldn't be allowed near animals (much less own them).

It always amazes me how animals continue to show up at the farm.... Once a mama JRT was dumped with her mixed pups and a bag of dog food at the neighboring farm! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
I slowed down one day to (I thought) help a truck that was having trouble on the side of the road near the farm driveway. As I got close the truck sped off, leaving a beautiful black lab behind http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif That dog became one of the sweetest pets we ever had.
Another black lab was dumped. He is lovely and obviously well bred. I believe he was dumped because he's a mutant: He doesn't retrieve. ever. No self-respecting hunter could keep a dog that didn't retrieve, right? Well, he's my husband's heart now.
There have been a couple other labs that we've found homes for that have been dumped. A coon dog, and a pointer have also been dumped at the farm and taken to the shelter.
Don't get me started on cats! They just keep showing up! I try to keep the number limited to the two pairs that take care of the rodents in and around the barns. Yes, I have couples of cats! They seem to be mated for life even though they are all fixed. I have the tame pair who came to me fixed about 18 months apart, and obviously from homes that were caring at some point. The 'wild' cats are now quite tame and loving, but the (former) tom took me TWO YEARS to capture and have fixed. His mate had two litters of kittens before I could catch her. Fortunately all the surviving babies have homes somewhere else!
My county has a spay and neuter program. I can take the feral cats to my vet to be fixed and the county pays him for it. I wish more people knew about the program.

I don't understand the mentality that animals are disposable! BLESS ALL OF YOU WHO RESCUE UNWANTED BEASTIES!!!

wendy
Feb. 14, 2005, 07:00 AM
I think the animal shelters are partly to blame for this "dumping" phenomenon. I worked at one for awhile, and the people who worked the "in" desk were, for obvious reasons, rather hostile to folks bringing in animals. I can sort of understand why someone would prefer to anonymously dump their pet than face those intimidating, disapproving stares at the shelter.

BeastieSlave
Feb. 14, 2005, 07:24 AM
wendy, you are so right! Our shelter charges a fee if you bring an animal in, but the city/county picks up "strays". Naturally, most people who would dump an animal are not going to pay $$ to dump it when they can go out to the country and dump it for free http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Goodyfourshoes!
Feb. 14, 2005, 09:01 AM
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Timex
Feb. 14, 2005, 10:09 AM
all of my cats and dogs have been rescues, either shelter animals, dumpees, or strays. my mom has a husky/shepard cross that was found, along with 8 or 9 of her siblings, in a dumpster behind a local restaurant. luckily, one of the kids that worked there heard the pups crying and fished them out. some people should be shot.

4LeafCloverFarm
Feb. 14, 2005, 10:52 AM
The cat that hangs around our house all the time now is one of our neighbors cats. I can't let my cats outside (they aren't very happy about that BTW), because he promptly chases them up the nearest tree (which is stressful for 14 and 16 yr old cats!). He hasn't been neutered. The neighbors have something like 4 dogs, and who knows how many cats - and they don't "fix" any of them. I doubt if any have had shots or vaccinations. Do you think they would object if I took the cat and had it neutered? Somehow, I doubt if they would even notice.

All of their cats are infected with FIP (Feline Infectuous Peritinitus), which our 3 cats all caught - and one died. We've already had to have two of their "feral" cats put to sleep as they both had kittens that all died of the disease, and it was simply the right thing to do (and it's horrible, let me tell you, to find precious little kittens dead or dying all over your farm). We have a little cemetary now in one of our gardens for the poor little things, in addition to our kitten who died 4 months after we moved to our farm (after an autopsy, they found he had contracted FIP - the two older cats have it as well, but our vets think that because of their age, their immune system was able to fight it off, and thank goodness, they have yet to show any symptoms).

These are real "country" folk, that unfortuately, just go get more animals when theirs die or go missing. I'm obviously not going to be able to change their way of thinking, and frankly, I'm scared to even speak up for fear of reprisal to my horses (like calling animal control or the ASPCA or whatever). And it would be rather obvious at to who "turned them in", because there isn't another nieghbor within a mile of our place. The farm on the other side of them is the husband's parents dairy farm.

What should I do? Fix the animals that I can trap and take to the vet, so at least they can't have/make more kittens? Should I take my chances and call somebody? This whole situation is very distressing. And I realize that these animals aren't being "dumped", but isn't it the same thing if you live right next door to someone who doesn't care for their pets?

We have 40 acres, and the neighbor has 20. There is no way to "keep" the animals from comming onto our farm, getting into our garbage cans (the dogs obviously, not the cats!) or terrorizing our cats when they sneak outside. I just don't know what to do. Anybody have any suggestions?

Also, I can't take thier cats to the shelter or pound, for the obvious reason that they are infected with FIP, and might pass it along to other cats. Just FYI, Feline Infectuous Peritinitous is a form of the corona virus. It is not the same thing as Feline AIDs. The virus can affect different organs in different cats - so it is very hard to diagnose from symptoms alone. Our poor little Sampson was having grand-mal siezures. They didn't find the actual cause until after he had passed away and they did an autospy. My poor husband was devistated - it was his first cat.

Other
Feb. 14, 2005, 12:01 PM
I think that "night deposit" idea has got to be one of the smarter ideas I've heard in a while.

I do believe that a lot of people dump out of guilt, for many reasons...maybe they can't afford to keep the pet, maybe it got to be more than they could care for, maybe they are allergic, maybe they are moving, etc. And often times they feel bad about giving it up, so they would rather just abandon than face the difficulty of surrendering.

I live alone in a studio apartment in a semi-urban area, so I can't exactly have a pack of animals here with me, much to my dismay. I am a dog person, and have never dealt with cats, but as a dog was out of the question and I needed a loving furball, I went to the APA and asked which cats were slated for euthanasia that day.

I ended up with the most loving, beautiful cat one could ever ask for. He was bought at a petstore as a kitty and then surrendered when he grew. A little shy at first, but now he WILL NOT leave my side. He accompanies me on the 24 hour road trip to visit the family, he sleeps with me all night and sits by my side purring while I check my COTH. He retrieves, he never chews or scratches anything...

I just recently had to surrender a friend's cat for her. It was pretty much evil. I had to do it knowing it would be PTS, and that was hard. I cried, even as the cat tried to attack me. Were it my own, I don't know if I could have done it.

17handtb
Feb. 14, 2005, 12:22 PM
I really (heart) all of you guys after reading through this thread.

Anyone who dumps an animal is severely deficient in a number of critical ways. We should photograph all of the dumpers and place them on posters advertising the need for a chlorine shot to the human gene pool.

Edited to make horse-related and not a general rant: Maybe it would be futile, but for those of you with barns and a common dumping problem, what about putting up a large sign/flyer that says something along the lines of, "Please do not abandon your animal here. XYZ Shelter on X Street has a night deposit area," etc., etc.?

keke414
Feb. 14, 2005, 02:21 PM
One stud farm owner I know had an emu (a 4-foot tall bird) dropped off near her farm a few years ago. The poor confused thing came running down her driveway and spooked all her mares and foals. Some of the yearlings ran through a fence, but it was just an electric-tape fence so they weren't seriously hurt.

I think the reason animals get dumped in rural areas are these:

1. It's far from the dumper's home (usually in the suburbs or city) so the animal won't find its way home;

2. The houses are farther apart, so there is less chance someone will see the animal being dumped;

3. There is less traffic, so the animal won't get hit by a car (or so the dumper thinks);

4. There is food (mice and birds) for the animal to survive on (or so the dumper thinks).

in_the_zone
Feb. 15, 2005, 12:47 PM
I lived on a dead end dirt road, shared by a neighbor with a large farm in rural Minnesota. We ended up with all sorts of critters. We kept all the cats but the dogs had to go to the humane society. Fortunately for us, back then there wasn't a drop off fee. Of course, I can fully understand why they implemented such a thing.

We always kept out food and we never knew exactly who owned which cats, so they were more like community animals. I loved them all and if they wanted to come in I let them. Unfortunately after 15 years of my open door pet policy, we got a bad egg. One of them had Feluc. Every single one of our cats (think nearly 2 dozen) died from it. Very sad. I wish I could share all those cats pain and suffering (not to mention my own grief) with the irresponsible person who dropped off the sick one.

*Edit* We did spay and neuter! Only one batch of kittens were born on our property and she came to us prego.

nightsong
Feb. 15, 2005, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 4LeafCloverFarm:
The neighbors have something like 4 dogs, and who knows how many cats - and they don't "fix" any of them. I doubt if any have had shots or vaccinations. Do you think they would object if I took the cat and had it neutered? Somehow, I doubt if they would even notice.

All of their cats are infected with FIP (Feline Infectuous Peritinitus), which our 3 cats all caught - and one died. We've already had to have two of their "feral" cats put to sleep as they both had kittens that all died of the disease, and it was simply the right thing to do (and it's horrible, let me tell you, to find precious little kittens dead or dying all over your farm).after we moved to our farm (after an autopsy, they found he had contracted FIP - the two older cats have it as well, but our vets think that because of their age, their immune system was able to fight it off, and thank goodness, they have yet to show any symptoms).


What should I do?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can't you report this (anonymously, of course, I've in the past resorted to leaving messages on night-message answering machines, even imitating the accent of my supervisor!!!!!) as a health hazard? I'd bet the local Health Department would LOOOOOVE to hear of this, and the local representative of the Agriculture Department. Or, perhaps, saying to your vet the next time you are there, that there seems to be a lot of FIP going around lately (NOT implying the source by ANY means!!!!!) and "wondering out loud" if ther is anything that can be done bout it. IF you trust your vet...Good luck!!!!!!!

Other
Feb. 15, 2005, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by keke414:
One stud farm owner I know had an emu (a 4-foot tall bird) dropped off near her farm a few years ago. The poor confused thing came running down her driveway and spooked all her mares and foals. Some of the yearlings ran through a fence, but it was just an electric-tape fence so they weren't seriously hurt.

I think the reason animals get dumped in rural areas are these:

1. It's far from the dumper's home (usually in the suburbs or city) so the animal won't find its way home;

2. The houses are farther apart, so there is less chance someone will see the animal being dumped;

3. There is less traffic, so the animal won't get hit by a car (or so the dumper thinks);

4. There is food (mice and birds) for the animal to survive on (or so the dumper thinks).
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THIS EMU PROBLEM IS COMMON?!?!?

4LeafCloverFarm
Feb. 15, 2005, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Can't you report this (anonymously, of course, I've in the past resorted to leaving messages on night-message answering machines) as a health hazard? I'd bet the local Health Department would LOOOOOVE to hear of this, and the local representative of the Agriculture Department. Good luck!!!!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, I should have posted my issue as a separate thread... it's just all that talk about these dumped and disgarded animals remind me so very much of the poor "pets" next door. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

Susan P
Feb. 15, 2005, 08:26 PM
I must confess of being guilty of taking a wonderful dog of mine to a shelter when I was 17 years old. I got her and thought I could keep her but couldn't and then I couldn't find her a new home, I tried everyone, everywhere I could think of. She was spayed and sweet. I took her to an animal shelter and have been riddled with guilt ever since. They told me since she was spayed they could no doubt find her a home, I don't believe that was necessarily true. My guilt drove me to promise, never again, never again. I never forgave myself. I went back a week later to see if she was placed in a home, they wouldn't let me see her.

This is why young people should not be given a pet without parents permission. That was 35 years ago and I still see her in my mind, I did her so wrong. I am very remorseful and I can't fix it.

Just My Style
Feb. 16, 2005, 04:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I must confess of being guilty of taking a wonderful dog of mine to a shelter when I was 17 years old. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Do not beat yourself up over that. You did the responsible thing, since you weren't able to care for her. The shelters do try to adopt out any dog that is adoptable. I bet she was able to be placed since she was spayed and came from a family environment. The ones that are hard to place are the abuse cases, the neglect cases and the ones who have lived life chained outside without people interation. The shelter isn't always able to rehabilitate them to be placed in a home.

Susan P
Feb. 16, 2005, 06:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Just My Style:
QUOTE] Do not beat yourself up over that. You did the responsible thing, since you weren't able to care for her. The shelters do try to adopt out any dog that is adoptable. I bet she was able to be placed since she was spayed and came from a family environment. The ones that are hard to place are the abuse cases, the neglect cases and the ones who have lived life chained outside without people interation. The shelter isn't always able to rehabilitate them to be placed in a home. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

She was a great dog, very friendly, beautiful cross bred Collie/Airdale, looked a lot like the Airdale. She was bouncy and perky and loved everything about life. She loved to go for walks to the park, just a happy dog. If she didn't find a home, nobody did.

It did wake me up though. I've helped a lot of other dogs and cats and now horses. The incident drove me the other direction so I would never do that again and I would try to save as many as I could that came my way. I like to think that I learned my lesson but at her expense. I wonder if the owner of her Mother learned not to let her dog out while in season.