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Dec. 30, 2004, 06:43 AM
Hi, thought this would be a good subject.

So, tell us about your partner....

I have a 21 (almost 22)yo Morab mare. Just 15H, with a ground eating trot that goes on forever. Bought her in-utero and she's been my compradre through all sorts of turmoils and triumphs.

Here's a shot of her at GMHA fall foliage ride when she was 18.

and another of us goofing off last winter...

Dec. 30, 2004, 06:43 AM
Hi, thought this would be a good subject.

So, tell us about your partner....

I have a 21 (almost 22)yo Morab mare. Just 15H, with a ground eating trot that goes on forever. Bought her in-utero and she's been my compradre through all sorts of turmoils and triumphs.

Here's a shot of her at GMHA fall foliage ride when she was 18.

and another of us goofing off last winter...

Dec. 30, 2004, 07:13 AM
She is LOVELY!

I ride an 11 YO Morgan mare. Her trot also goes on forever -- unfortunately, it is more sewing maching than ground eating http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif I'll have to see if I have any pictures I can share.

Dec. 30, 2004, 07:27 AM
Currently my mom and I ride a Purebred Arab mare and a 1/2 Arab-1/2 Appaloosa mare.

In the past we have also used NSH (1/2 Arab 1/2 Saddlebreds also registered as National Show Horses), Saddlebreds, Welsh crosses and grades.

Dec. 30, 2004, 08:14 AM
My dad's first partner was a 19 year old Tenn. Walker and they were awesome together until he was 21. Dad now rides a Paso. My dad didn't start riding until he was in his 60's and didn't like posting. My mom has ridden an arab, a wonderful TB mule, a paso and a QH.

Dec. 30, 2004, 08:53 AM
We have two Hanoverians, full brothers, who we use for endurance at present. One is 21 and his little brother is 7. The younger one just kept getting fitter and fitter and we hadn't trained him all that well so he became very very enthused and showed it. We are working now with a PNH trainer to see about making him safe again. If horses are not fit they get tired quicker and slow down which is good and bad. The 21 year old is a joy to me. He has 450 miles and I hope we get to 1000 before I move on to his little sister.

Dec. 30, 2004, 09:54 AM
The barn we ride out of has had several horses that they trained for the 100 mile race in SW VA around the Homestead for several years. One was an 16+HH TB, who did well. The other horse they regularly raced was a draft cross named, Canada. I believe he retired the lightweight trophy after winning it for 3 years running. Hubby and I got to ride the boys while they were in training to help get them fit.

The last year Canada raced, hubby was riding him and he was being a pain since he was so fit. Hubby got tired of the jigging so he found a natural bowl area in one of the pastures and let him run. It was a big bowl area and they did 5 laps at a full gallop before Canada started coming back to hubby. They did a sixth lap to make sure the beans were gone and we had a very nice ride after that incident. Canada is what we refer to as an "Oh My God" horse. That is when you are going into a jump/bad situation, you take a look at it and say "Oh My God" and the horse takes you safely over/through it.

He is about 15.2 hh probably some hackney in him but no one knew for sure. He was my husband's favorite ride. He is now up in PA and we miss him.

Dec. 30, 2004, 11:28 AM
My best buddy trail partner is a 10 year old appy gelding, Sanderson (aka Sandy). He's 15 hands, short backed, long legged, and has tons of go. He's on the hot side, and has been known to spook now and then, but he can also be unbelievably bold and brave. Typically his general attitude is "Where are we going today? Awesome, let's do it!"

How he came to be mine is a kind of unusual (and long, please bear with me) story. He was amongst a bunch of weanlings that were dropped off at a farm next door to my own barn at the time; whoever bred him got into things over her head and couldn't afford to feed so many mouths. She made arrangements with this farm to donate one older mare to the therapeutic riding program run there, and showed up with a stock trailer full of wild babies + said older mare. She literally unloaded all of them in a pasture & abandoned them.

Anyway, some volunteers at this therapeutic riding program took pity on the poor little things, and decided to adopt one together (once it became officially legal to do so.) They came to my place and asked if they could rough board a baby at my barn, and could I help them decide which foal to take on. Sure!

The farm kept the babies in the pasture. They were a motley little crew of underweight, scab-ridden Arablets & this one puny roan-spotted thing with pink eyes & no tail. The story was, supposedly, that the appy was an orphan. Sure enough, he was the only one who had any interest in people at all. While the others all skittered away, this urchin boldly stared us down...and approached us! Turned out he was quite friendly and didn't mind being handled at all. "This is your foal, ladies."

He came to stay at my place shortly thereafter. His benefactors had intended to sell him once he was healthy and had a little more ground work under his belt. These ladies had very little practical experience with babies, and asked me for a lot of help in handling him. Big surprise, I bonded with the little bugger. Before Christmas that year, they told me he was mine if I wanted him.

He's still with me today, all these years later. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

buddies http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (http://www.equinesitegallery.com/Ruffian/LgSanderson.jpg)

Halcyon Days
Dec. 30, 2004, 11:48 AM
I've ridden several different arabs, a arab/appy cross, a foundation bred appy, and am now competing on a TWH. I just bought the walker this fall, but he's done 2 rides and just loved it--hope to do some 50's with him this spring. My son rode a POA when he was little--that was way cute, he went through the vet lines himself (he was 9) and trotted his pony out and everything.

Dec. 30, 2004, 11:49 AM
WOW nice story BarnFairy!

Dec. 30, 2004, 10:10 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifTrakehner x Arabian Stallion, he is 15.2 hh at four years old. Awesome, smooth gaits& lota heart. What a buddy.

My buddy~ Karino's Fire (aka Shadrach) (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/6102621/78335884.jpg)

Moving along... (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/6113034/78675824.jpg)

Luv my Horse (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/6113034/78676842.jpg)

Full body picture~*~Shadrach~*~ (http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL673/3013403/6113034/78471431.jpg)

Dec. 31, 2004, 08:09 AM
My distance horse was a little grade palomino, she had a very big trot and big walk but a very lousy canter. I think she might have had some stdbred in her, arab, qh maybe? she was barefoot most of her life, i did put shoes on her at times but only fronts, she had no problem with distance but i never did 100 with her, i think she could have in her younger days but not sure about me.

Dec. 31, 2004, 08:26 AM
My bestest buddy is my 22 y/o bay Arabian gelding, Conny. I have been blessed with his presence since he was 4 y/o, and he's an awesome trail horse.

We started out showing, but he HATED it although he was bred for the performance ring. I took him out on a trail ride just to see if his attitude would lighten up a bit, and voila, that is what he was meant to do!

He has a wonderful ground-eating trot, and is always in front of the pack, looking ahead to the next hill or water crossing. Ears up, eyes bright, he's the very epitome of what you want in a trail horse. He can still do the 25 milers without a problem, and I have a feeling he's not going to be ready to retire anytime soon.

Sheri is also supposed to be an awesome trail horse, and I can't wait for the weather to break so I can put her through her paces out in the woods. However, not having been ridden for almost 2 years, and at 21 y/o, I'm not going to push her as far or as hard as the "old man".

Casper will be ridden on trails too, although I think little man's forte is going to be the Western Pleasure show ring. Just a hunch.

Jan. 2, 2005, 06:04 AM
I haven't ventured down the endurance path yet, but when I do, Kit, my 5 year old MFT is going to be my partner. She has tons of get up and go and keeps on going...

Jan. 2, 2005, 09:05 AM
This link is elsewhere but it should be here. The link is to a list of types of horses competing in 2004 as tracked by the main endurance ride organization, AERC.

2004 AERC Breeds (http://www.aerc.org/membership_breeds.asp)

Jan. 3, 2005, 08:04 AM
I ride an OTTB. He so did not want to be a race horse that his second ride after bringing him home from the track was on the trail and he went on the buckle. There is something to be said for an ex-racehorse; they have seen it all. He's got a long sweeping trot and he is easy to condition. He also camps great. My husband rides a barrel shaped foundation QH. He is a genetic freak. He should not be able to excell at CTR, but he does. He always has great P and R. He has an extremely fst trot; he always has to walk the last mile in so as not to get the time penalties for being too fast.

Jan. 6, 2005, 10:36 AM
Well, my trail work (finding/clearing/marking/unmarking) has been on: grade/draft cross (Heinz-57's), appy, araby/appy, and several TWHs. Last spring, I tried "Meanwhile, Back at the Ranch" on my 18yo TWH mare with a dislocated coccyx (mine, not hers) and took Rider Option after the first loop. Chiropractor is still working on it. I'm currently conditioning several Cleveland Bay x Tennessee Walkers. We'll see what happens. And no, they're not "gaited" but sure are smooth and really cover the ground!!!

Jan. 6, 2005, 11:19 AM
I am currently riding two 6 yr olds. O Night Divine (Diva) is a PB Arabian, about 50% Russian lines. She has done two LD's, one CTR and one 50 miler. I bought her as a 3 yr old from the breeder. She's a solid 15.1 hands now, has a RHR of 28. She really has the heart and lungs for distnce riding. Right from day one she has been a VERY forward horse, loves to be in the lead.She just digs into the trail and keeps on moving forward. Tires me out trying to keep the pace down on short rides around home. I'm hoping that maturity will mellow her. I hope, I hope, I hope......

My other child is Mighty Mouse (aka Mouse or Brat Boy). He was a rescue basicly. He has a smidge of qtr in him so is registerable as a 1/2 Arab. Gotta get that done. He's quite the character, loves working cows! He can cover ground with a huge trot (only 14.3) and is a very talented jumper. I think he would look great in harness too.

I'd love to attach pics but don't know how to send them to this forum.

Bonnie S.

Jan. 6, 2005, 01:31 PM
In general how do the different lines of Arabian do in Endurance? Has anyone noticed if Russian lines are better than Spanish or Egytian or Polish? Or do Shagyas do better?

Jan. 7, 2005, 01:59 PM
The world of endurance is perfect for the Shagya Arabian, either as a purebred or the cross of purebred Arabian X purebred Shagya.

The Shagya adds more height, more bone, better legs and feet and the shoulder and hip angles are improved. Plus you have the steady, very adaptable Shagya mind that can fire up and come down just as quickly.

Fayette de Cameo is the premier example of this cross. She was the Tevis winner in '02, year before that "best condition winner" as a five year old.

Fayette took a year off to raise a foal, but is now getting ready to compete in the Emirate races in Dubai.

There are not enough Shagya or the crosses around, but you can be assured that when they compete they do very well!

We have four fully approved stallions, three imported from Europe. They are wonderful crosses on your purebred Arabian mares and also on the Thoroughbred mares to give you the Anglo/Shagya.

Another bonus for breeding Arabian mares, if the offspring is a filly, she may stand for the breed inspection, and if approved will be the beginning of a purebred Shagya program.

Purebred Shagya are limited to no more then nine purebred Arabian ancesters in the fourth generation. This is strictly enforced!

The purebred Shagya is NOT a strain of Arabian, but its own breed, began 200 years ago in the Austro-Hungarian empire. Before WWII there were 3000 a year being foaled and they were considered the ELITE horse! Following the war only about 300 were left and today the total population is about 1800.

Those of you interested in breeding endurance horses might wish to investigate this wonderful, charming, and very athletic breed. New breeders are seriously needed in order to preserve and save this unique rare sport horse!

I have never had anyone visit my farm that has not been competely won over by the excellent characteristics found in these horses.

Jan. 7, 2005, 05:28 PM
Do you add Lipizzan in the Shagya? I remembered reading there were different breeds in the Shagya.

Jan. 8, 2005, 08:06 AM
No, the Lipizzan stud used some Shagya blood following WWII. When I visited Piber, the stud farm in Austria, many of the mares in the mare herd reminded me of Shagya mares.

Any breed, except the purebred Arabian, has not been allowed for 200 years. The Shagya breed is like the Trakehner in some aspects, except they allow Thoroughbred as an acceptable outcross, along with Shagya or Arabian.

The other warmblood breeds outcross with anything they believe will improve their phenotype. This is why you find any breed in the Dutch, Holsteiner, Hanoverian etc. And, of course one of the most influential stallions of all, RAMZES, founder of the "R" line, who was a TB X Shagya cross.

Jan. 8, 2005, 08:25 AM
Yes, our Trakehner mare has Ramzes in her through Condus. So, actually the Shagya, Trakehner are the only true warmblood breeds?
What would you consider the Freisan and the Andalusian? I know the Georgain Grande people consider the Freisan a draft, though most Freisan owners I know consider them a warmblood.. hmm. Andalusians/Lusitanos... what column do they come under? So you consider Shagya a warmblood and not Arabian? I thought since it is called a Shagya Arabian it is an Arabian? Are they registerable with Arabian Horse Assn?

Jan. 8, 2005, 09:53 AM
My endurance partner is a Pure Arab of CMK lineage. (Ben Rabba granddaughter)

At the AERC website there is a list of breeds which competed in 2004 giving a breed breakdown and numbers. It is a long list with a variety of breeds the top 5 are:

Arabian 13,822
1/2 Arab 2,271
grade 1,772
Arab Cross 811
Appaloosa 689

go to http//www.aerc.org/membership_breeds.asp

Shagyas are included with 8 recorded, there are some large breeds listed. Very interesting.

Jan. 8, 2005, 04:49 PM
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The AHA does not register the Shagya, it has its own registry, which is governed by the rules of the ISG, the international governing body located in Germany. Probably should not have been named Shagya "Arabian", but just, SHAGYA. The name is taken from one of the foundation desert Arabian stallions, who was named SHAGYA.

You would also add to your list of horses without other breeds crossed into it! The Hungarian Warmblood began with native Hungarian horses and then they outcrossed to TB and Shagya and still use the Shagya in their breeding.

Actually, BURNUS, the sire of HABICHT, was sired by a Shagya stallion, LAPIS, but his dam was actually a Hungarian mare. But because of his superior performance record, the Trakehner Verband accepted and approved him as an elite stallion. And this performance record carries on in WINDFALL II, a HABICHT son and his half-brother, *SIXUS, who is siring many approved offspring. It is a wonderful sire line!

Jan. 8, 2005, 06:15 PM
Ramzes and Lapis are both in our mare's pedigree.
Though Ramzes is much closer.

Jan. 8, 2005, 06:54 PM
Then your mare has a very unique pedigree, as these two lines have rarely been crossed. Please PT me?

Jan. 11, 2005, 09:48 AM
Hi -

On the subject of Shagyas - please take a look at www.shagya.net (http://www.shagya.net) as they are having a Stallion Auction - including nine stallions - some of whom are sired by *Oman - Fayette de Cameo's sire :-)

So if you want an Endurance Horse please consider the Shagya as an option for either breeding or one you can ride right now.

www.shagya.net (http://www.shagya.net)

thanks for your time.

Anita in Arkansas
Feb. 18, 2005, 10:56 AM
I know I'm getting in on this conversation a bit late, but I just found this list. :-) Our family breeds registered Morabs, and some of our babies are now doing endurance with their owners. That got me interested, and now I have a new website going featuring endurance Morabs. Take a look at it and see why we feel that Morabs are one of the best choices for an exceptional endurance horse - including longevity (In fact, Morabs tend to have their very best years in their teens). Morabs hold several records, too, including 5,000 miles in one year (he finished 82 out of 83 rides). And I'm still finding more.

I also just found a novel on an endurance Morab which is apparently inspired by a Morab who won the President's Cup in NATRC (if I'm getting this right) back in the 60's. The real horse was registered as a Morgan, but was sired by *Antez so he was really a Morab. One of those registered as a Morgan before the herdbook closed in 1948.

Anyway, I saw your pictures, MissBri, of your Morab mare - please email me privately - I would love to know more about her. Have you been doing endurance with her? libertymtn@yahoo.com

Everybody, please check out the endurance Morab website and see what you think. :-) It's not finished, yet, but a good deal is up. click on the titles at the top to get to the different pages.


My farm site is http://www.libertymtnranch.com

Mar. 23, 2005, 08:28 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Hi Anita, I just aquired a Morab mare and look forward to checking out your site. I have acctually thought of breeding her to our Trakehner stallion for my next distance horse. The horse I currently use is an Arab-Trakehner stallion. He is double registered, 1/2 Arabian and also full Trakehner. The Morab is 15 years old, though I might try her this year in some shorter distances and see if she likes it. Always nice to have a second horse.</span>

<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Here are some photos of my boy: </span>
Arab-Trakehner (http://community.webshots.com/album/236930639uPsGQi)

Mar. 30, 2005, 04:18 PM
If you want a smooth ride try riding a Paso Fino. Me and my dad raise them for shows but stil take them on the trails the way that they walk you hardly feel anything when you ride them its really a nice ride.

Pistol 'n' Me
Mar. 31, 2005, 02:13 AM
I normally ride a Canadian Sport Horse/Arabian cross. It's been slow developing for the past three years, but she's become a wonderful ride. I condition and ride the mare for her owner, and while she does't have the most ideal movement -- a little too much action for my liking -- she is able to really move out and is a wonderful ride.

The owner also has two full Arabs that I ride on occassion, both are wonderful. Last year I started doing some riding for a lady in Florida (on occassion) and have the priviledge of riding three more bay Arabs, all of which have wonderful personalities and are easy to ride. I've been very lucky to get rides on such nice horses!

Once I'm through with college and a little more settled in my life (I have no clue where I'll end up, so why buy a horse now?) I'd like to eventually get a horse of my own and bring it up through CTR and endurance.

Trakehners2000 -- your boy is so handsome!

Mar. 31, 2005, 04:17 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Pistol,Thank you, we certainly love him.

You have great photos on your site and look like you have great memories from your travels & Riding. I'd love to ride in that river! Maybe someday. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif</span>

Mar. 31, 2005, 06:15 PM
I cant wait, i just recently purchased a nice looking 11month old bay roan quarter horse and cant wait till i can take him out on the trail

Apr. 5, 2005, 10:26 PM
I have a Norwegian Fjord Pony (http://www.pbase.com/paula_chmura/frodo_april_2005) that I do trail riding and dressage work with. He is fabulous out on the trails - tons of endurance and really brave. I hope to do an organized CTR with him soon.

Pistol 'n' Me
Apr. 6, 2005, 01:23 AM
Paula, your Fjord is adorable! I love Fjord ponies, they're so pleasant and attractive. I'm planning a trip to Norway at the end of May and I'm hoping to get a chance to ride one. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Good luck with your handsome fellow!

Anita in Arkansas
Apr. 28, 2005, 08:40 PM
I have a 21 (almost 22)yo Morab mare. Just 15H, with a ground eating trot that goes on forever. Bought her in-utero and she's been my compradre through all sorts of turmoils and triumphs.
MissBri &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I am trying to contact the person who wrote the above post about her Morab -

Anita in Arkansas

Anita in Arkansas
Apr. 28, 2005, 08:44 PM
Hi Anita, I just aquired a Morab mare and look forward to checking out your site. ....The Morab is 15 years old, though I might try her this year in some shorter distances and see if she likes it. &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

Please contact me privately about your Morab - I'd love to hear more! Have you decided if you are going to use her for endurance?

There has been a lot more done on the endurance Morab website since I last posted on here....

Anita in Arkansas

Apr. 29, 2005, 12:04 AM
I have conditioned her some, though we are in the process of buying a home and I'm thinking
most of the extra cash (for awhile) is going to
go into new fence, stalls etc. so maybe not so much with rides and showing this year...though
it is okay, she is a 'foster horse' too, as we
are foster parents... so she is a wonderful horse.

May. 1, 2005, 02:40 PM
I don't mean to highjack this thread, but I have a question. Trakehners2000, I'm curious about your stallion being registered as both a half arab and also a full Trakehner. Was he approved and that's why he's registered as a full Trakehner? I have a half Shagya/half Trakehner gelding and I'm waiting for his papers from the Shagya registry - he'll be registered as a half Shagya. The breeder mentioned that my gelding could be registerd as a Trakehner, but I'm not sure if that's correct or how to find out. It's not that important since he IS a gelding, and I plan on keeping him forever, but I'm curious...http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And your stallion is GORGEOUS!


&lt;&lt;Less is not more. More is More!&gt;&gt;

May. 1, 2005, 08:45 PM
<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Robyn, thank you for the compliment on our boy. We surely love him,
and he has that ArabTrakehner noble quality.

His sire Carino *E*, an approved stallion,
was approved in Germany and imported to Canada.
His Dam is a PSB approved Arabian mare. Hence,
both parents are approved Trakehner = he is registered full Trakehner. His dam has both her
Arabian Horse Assoc. papers, and was also issued her PSB American Trakehner Association papers upon approval with the ATA.

If your gelding is by an approved
sire and out of an approved mare, then he can be
registered full Trakehner. If only his sire was approved, he can be registered 1/2 Trakehner.

Karino's Fire (our boy) is also registered as 1/2 Arabian, since his dam is
registered as Arabian with Arabian Horse.
Who is your gelding's sire? Check out the ATA web site at AmericanTrakehner Association (http://www.americantrakehner.com)
You will find useful information on the past and current stallions and the registration process. I would love to see a photo of you horse, I so admire the Shagya lines.</span>

May. 3, 2005, 02:36 PM
Anita in Arkansas - so sorry I've been computerless for a few months!!!!!!!
We've done some competitive trail, dressage, 3 phases, breed shows, but mostly lots of just enjoying each others company. I'll email you....

Anita in Arkansas
May. 10, 2005, 12:21 AM
We've done some competitive trail, dressage, 3 phases, breed shows, but mostly lots of just enjoying each others company. I'll email you...&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I look forward to hearing from you! :-) I have a new website for endurance Morabs and a list at Yahoo Groups for those who have used/are using/will shortly be using endurance Morabs (or CTR's or distance driving). I am the breeder of several endurance Morabs. I think you can say that I'm interested in endurance Morabs. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

We had a new foal born last night. Our palomino Morab mare, LM Sky Lady, was bred to our gaited Morgan stallion, Mary Mels Mystery, and shortly after midnight Lady produced a big beautiful palomino filly! If she is gaited, she will be the first in the breed to be a dilute color *and* gaited. Maybe someday she will also prove to be one terrific endurance horse, too. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Anita in Arkansas

May. 10, 2005, 08:36 PM
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Anita, our *(one and only)* Morab is BLT Nikita by Kimtut out of Windmere Erica (Wabash Mr Magic x Windrift Noriah)</span>
<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">We are new to Morab's and have thought about breeding her to Bathesda Carbon Copy (Morgan) or to our Arab-Trakehner for a distance horse.</span> <span class="ev_code_BLUE">Am still learning the bloodlines for Morabs.</span>

Anita in Arkansas
May. 11, 2005, 10:39 AM
Anita, our *(one and only)* Morab is BLT Nikita by Kimtut out of Windmere Erica (Wabash Mr Magic x Windrift Noriah)&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

OH!! You have one of Ted's horses! We are good friends with Ted - we've known each other since we both started with Morabs in the 80's. In fact, I think I have pictures of Nikita that I took some years ago when she was young. I'll have to check my files....

We are new to Morab's and have thought about breeding her to Bathesda Carbon Copy (Morgan) &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

Oh, yes, we are very familiar with Gordon's beautiful Morgan stallion! He also owned the wonderful champion Morab stallion, Windmere Magic, who was related to your Nikita. Magic died suddenly just a couple of years ago. A real loss to the breed. They dedicated a whole "Morab Perspective" (breed newsmagazine) to Magic. Magic was out of the same dam as Erica - they might even have been full siblings. I'd have to check who Magic's sire was again, but I know it was a Lippitt Morgan as was Erica's. Ted still has Erica last I heard.

Did you know that Dr. James Barnett of Tennessee has one of Ted's Morab geldings, BLT Marshall Ben Tut? Jim and Marshall are tearing up the endurance trails. They go all over the country, even out to New Mexico for the XP rides. They've done 8 rides just in 2005 already! I have Marshall listed on my endurance Morab website. Are you using Nikita for endurance or planning on it? If so, I need to add her, too! Are you keeping in touch with Ted, and letting him know how Nikita is doing? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I can tell you a little about Nikita's pedigree - Winddrift Noriah was registered as a Half Arabian, but she was more like 15/16 Arabian with one Thoroughbred great granddam back there on the dam line. She was approved for Morab production by the very first Morab registry in the early 1970's. The leadership of that registry felt that a little TB in the mix was not a bad thing. Noriah's was Carol's very first horse to start breeding Morabs, and she put some outstanding Morabs on the ground down out of that mare. Carol is still going up in Wisconsin, and is one of the oldest Morab breeders. One of her most famous Morabs is the golden palomino CDE stallion, Windmere Royal Topaz, in Wisconsin. I've seen him in person, and he's GORGEOUS. He, too, goes back to Noriah on his dam line.

Wabash Mr. Magic was a Lippitt Morgan stallion. Kimtut, if I remember correctly, was Ted's first stallion - an Arabian, and it seems like he had some Ansata breeding and other Egyptian bloodlines. He was gelded eventually, and sold. Ted found a Morab stud colt, Gentle Ben, that he bought and used, instead. And Ben *is* an exceptional horse. Ted sold him to another breeder a couple of years ago, and kept a son who is the first pinto Morab in the breed. But Ted gelded that horse, too, just recently as he's not breeding anymore now.

Are you a member of the Morab registry (International Morab Registry)? IMR Morabs are the only registered Morabs who are recognized as a breed by the AERC, USDF, NATRC, USCTA, the palomino registry and the pinto registry. Did you know that Ted wrote the only book ever written on the Morab breed? We are in the book. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

It sounds like you ought to be on my endurance Morab list at Yahoo Groups, too! Wouldn't you like to join us there? There are some very well known Morab riders on there already - like Suzanne Hayes of Montana who owns the great champion Kootenai Zizerro. He's 25 this year!

Anita in Arkansas

Anita in Arkansas
May. 19, 2005, 11:36 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MissBri:
Anita in Arkansas - so sorry I've been computerless for a few months!!!!!!!&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I would still love to hear from you about your Morab mare - feel free to email me privately at libertymtn@yahoo.com I want to add your mare to my endurance Morab website.

Anita in Arkansas

Anita in Arkansas
May. 19, 2005, 12:45 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trakehners2000:
[color:BLUE]Anita, our *(one and only)* Morab is BLT Nikita by Kimtut out of Windmere Erica (Wabash Mr Magic x Windrift Noriah&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I was just wondering if you caught my post in response to your's about Nikita? You can email me privately, too, if you'd like - libertymtn@yahoo.com

Anita in Arkansas

Jul. 20, 2005, 02:07 AM
I had my standardbred Markee. She had a huge 14mph trot to die forhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif She cooled down FAST. Needless to say we had a lot of relaxing time at the check points!
Her first year she placed in every ride and did okay. The second year we did a 3 ride series and won Grand Champion and Champion Registered Breedhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif She was greathttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifAh, what I wouldn't give for 1 more on her!
My new horse is the same and is a standardbred alsohttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jul. 26, 2005, 04:36 PM
I'm using my Hungarian now. This is the first horse from our breeding program that is old enough to compete in distance. I'll have to say after having ridden NC's Boozer+ to mult awards/wins/BC's etc. this horse I'm riding now is going to be awesome. Boo is a 1/2 Arab 1/2 Appy, she was willing, fast, pulsed right down etc.and was bred specifically for distance. But Remel is much better already with relatively little training. The Hungarian Army where these horses and the Shagya's came from was a DISTANCE army. I also don't have to take Ibuprofen the whole ride when I ride him like a did Boo...bless her heart she was a hard ride. The other big advantage the Hungarian horses have over the PB Arabians is they are so unflappable. I had the judge trying to wait until a horse fly left so Remel's pulse wouldn't go up...I said check him he's fine....much to the vets surprise horse fly or not he was 32.
Leah McGregor

Jul. 28, 2005, 01:13 PM
We just bought a 22 year old Arabian gelding who was used in two 75s, a 50, and a 100 mile last year. He's kind of on the hot side, and he's about 15.3 hands. He's a bit strong in the mouth, but we're working with him http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jul. 28, 2005, 06:02 PM
My prospect is a 14.3 Barb stallion named Insider. DH has a larger Barb as his prospect -- a gruella stallion called Gotcha Covered. If all goes according to plan, we'll be hitting the Idaho endurance rides with them starting next spring. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aug. 5, 2005, 11:15 AM
Love the name Insider- never heard it used before, though sounds great! Do you have pictures?

Aug. 8, 2005, 01:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BarbeyGirl:
My prospect is a 14.3 Barb stallion named Insider. DH has a larger Barb as his prospect -- a gruella stallion called Gotcha Covered. If all goes according to plan, we'll be hitting the Idaho endurance rides with them starting next spring. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't Gotcha Covered sire a Spanish Sulphur stud by the name of Takita? Is your stud Insider also Sulphur as well? I know that Mr. Painter is a large fan of using the horses from the Mountain Home Range in his efforts to save the Barb.


Sep. 13, 2005, 10:39 AM
I'm curious about how endurance riders *find* Arabs bred for endurance. I'm sure there are certain Arab bloodlines to look for and breeders who do this. I'm currently an eventer whose OTTB's are aging out of the sport. I grew up riding CMK-bred Arabs and I'm really looking forward to owning another Arab in the next few years and trying endurance with this one. Any advice on where to start? The actual purchase is probably still a few years away.

Sep. 13, 2005, 11:12 AM
I have an Akhal-Teke/Arab cross. She has a fairly sensible but hot nature that lends itself well to covering lots of ground. And her gaits are SOOOO smooth. My husband rides a QH, and she is sweet natured and eager to try, but I think she will not be a speed-over-distance girl. She's not heavily built but she just can't keep up. And her gaits are...normal gaits. Even though he's not quite experienced enough to handle my AT mare, he loves to ride her because she glides over the ground. Unfortunately, she glides right off on her own agenda...

Sep. 13, 2005, 11:55 AM
i ride a 8 year old arabian mare just a little over 14 hh

Sep. 13, 2005, 12:06 PM
Betsyk, there are breeders out there now who breed "sporthorse" Arabians. They're the ones you'll want to contact when you're serious about buying an endurance Arabian.

Although in my experience, most Arabs do well at trail and endurance. If a horse is bred for performance instead of halter, they should do quite well.

My older gelding, now 23, is still ready to rock and roll down the trail. I had thought to retire him and let Casper (7 y/o) take over as my premiere riding horse, but Conny has other ideas! So my old man will continue to haul my butt around until he tells me he's ready to be a pasture puff.

Arabs are like the Energizer Bunny; they just keep going and going! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Sep. 13, 2005, 12:39 PM
Thanks, that's good to know. The added bonus of looking for a sporthorse type is that if eventing isn't totally out of my blood by the time the new guy comes along, maybe he'd enjoy it too.

I have a 23-y-o Arab too and he's doing WAY better at his age than my younger TB's. He's Polish and Raffles and what I'd really like to do is find one just like him but 2 or 3 years old. He did some competitive trail with a previous owner and then evented with me, and now he's teaching kids.

Sep. 13, 2005, 01:04 PM
My 23 y/o is *Serafix-*Bask breeding, so you know he was definitely bred for performance.

Conny's a one-person horse, and although I might trust him in the round ring with a youngster, he's too unpredictable out on the trail if I'm not riding him. I keep telling him he's 23 and NOT 5, but he doesn't believe me!

Casper's pure Polish, and he's a much more comfortable ride than the "old man" because his stride at the trot and canter is so much smoother. He's also a lot wider, whereas Conny's always been kind of lanky.

Conny's a fast, fun ride, but it's like riding a cement mixer when he really gets going. Beautiful to look at, especially at the trot, but whoooeee, what a handful to sit to!

Sep. 14, 2005, 12:30 PM
Alot of people swear by the CMK Arabs so if you want to get into endurance riding you would be well mounted with one. Go to cmkarabians.com, or go to endurance.net and search ridecamp archives. You'll find much about CMK arabs and endurance.