Low Carb, show season & unexpected benefits... [Archive]

OnyxThePony

Feb. 4, 2004, 09:52 AM

Yes, lower carbs, PLUS reduced intake of preprocessed food, plus reduced intake of certain other types of foods (fermented such as vinegar, soy, alcohol, black tea, yeasty such as mushrooms and grapes, cheese, whole grains as opposed to processed eg brown not white rice), significantly reduce my chronic pain from a car(truck) accident.
Plus it will initially lower your weight. ANY type of this diet, not just Atkins or South Beach. I now have several friends (all men) who have had or died from, heart attacks while on Atkins. There is NO long term proof that Atkins is NOT harmfull. There IS emerging proof it is very harmfull.

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PiedPiper

Feb. 4, 2004, 09:53 AM

Goodness Coreene, that is ALL I eat! Hmm, I want to know how to do low carb being a vegetarian?

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Amy

Feb. 4, 2004, 09:56 AM

I don't have any breathing problems but I can say that my back hurts less. I stick to pretty much 30 carbs per day from meat and loads of veggies.

AWIP

Feb. 4, 2004, 10:43 AM

Onyx,

Considering Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist and ran his diet clinic for around 30 years ... I don't believe one can honestly say that there is "no proof that Atkins is not harmful". He was a big believer in having bloodworkups done both before and during the process. The low carb diets, including Aktins, are about the only ones around that help combat "metabolic syndrome" or "Syndrome X" now believed to be one of the more significant collection of heart disease indicators.

Please don't fear-monger.

LMH - Strict Aktins for now ... will eventually re-incorporate my fruit smoothies though (strawberry, banana, sugar free yogurt, calcium oj + soy powder) The body eventually gets wise to the ketosis trick anyway, just gotta prevent the sugar spike cycle.

NoGreatMischief

Feb. 4, 2004, 10:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by OnyxThePony:

There IS emerging proof it is very harmfull.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you cite your sources?

I hope you're not insinuating that your male friends' heart attack were CAUSED by the Atkins diet?

And on the allergy/sinus thing, I know that wheat/gluten intolerances can lead to sinus and allergy problems, as can Candida yeast infections. Generally when you remove the sugar (refined carbs) a lot of such problems are alleviated! Good for you, AWIP, for staying on through induction! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Flash44

Feb. 4, 2004, 11:04 AM

Atkins has been revised and it does not advocate stuffing yourself with high fat foods. It does not restrict fats, but it does recommend you choose leaner, healthier meats rather than subsisting on cheeseburgers and bacon.

South Beach is very similar, and I just did that for 2 weeks. Lost all my tummy bulge, and about 5 pounds. Of course, I've been living on donuts and pizza since going off the diet due to several serious illnesses in the family...I actually miss it, though.

Coreene

Feb. 4, 2004, 11:58 AM

I kept iceberg lettuce in from the beginning. Must have some type of veg thing to, ah, keep moving.

When I went on Atkins in spring, my cholesterol went down 30 pts and stayed off.

Here's an example of why it works for me: I hate to cook and do not cook well. But I will whup up a pan of taco meat (yeah, okay so there might be a carb or two in the pack of taco mix, but whatever, I also get fried chicken and don't pick off the best part and it doesn't seem to be a prob) and make a taco salad. Lettuce, some of those sweet little mini bell peppers, a bit of spring onion, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, cheese, taco meat, maybe a bit of tomato, salsa and mayo (I prefer this to sour cream; you could also use ranch dressing), and a little hot sauce.

Mmmmmm. It ain't haute, but it's certainly cuisine. And yummy. So to do this and lose weight, yeah, I'm all over it.

As for junk food. When I am of the premenstrual persuasion, I am not nearly as snappy as my rude mouth would suggest, but I could consume the entire fridge. So at one point I could have murdered a cheeseburger.

Dude. So simple. Went to Carl's Jr, got a side salad with blue cheese (told them I didn't need the croutons). Got a cheeseburger, took off the bun, cut it up and put it atop salad. A-ok yummy.

For those in So Cal, a double double at In-N-Out, protein style, is so good you don't even need the bun.

Coreene

Feb. 4, 2004, 12:00 PM

PS: Of course, this is not the usual fare. The usual fare is chicken and some veg, or fish and some veg. But you can have your junk food and enjoy it on Atkins when the need strikes! Just whup off the bun!

Amy

Feb. 4, 2004, 12:27 PM

I too would doubt that being on a diet for a short time would lead to a heart attack. And I hear so many people saying "oh Atkins- I could never give up my vegies!" I eat very little cheese, mainly lean meats, salad every day and veggies every night. So I don't give those up at all.

I can see it would be unhealthy if you ate a pound of bacon per day and a pound of cheese. Long term I imagine that could be bad.

Charming Alibi

Feb. 4, 2004, 01:01 PM

my mom did the Atkins diet and it worked for her, I'm doing the Zone diet and I really like it becuase I'm eating all day but small amounts.

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HollBear

Feb. 4, 2004, 01:20 PM

I have been doing South Beach for almost 3 weeks now. The scale says I lost nothing (what a mean scale!), but my clothes are a LITTLE looser. I am frustrated that friends have lost so much more and a getting better results.

BUT...I do feel a lot better, sleeping better, and I had chronic back pain that has deminished.

Sugar is bad!!!

I too have one meal a week that I splurge a little (but not bad) still no potatoes/pasta.

dsedler

Feb. 4, 2004, 01:25 PM

I have been on Atkins since Thanksgiving and as of this morning, have lost 30 lbs. I feel great, sleep better, face has cleared up quite a bit and just in general feel great. I do splurge every once in awhile, but I think that whatever diet you are on, you have to do that or you will go crazy.
One of the reasons I started on this diet, other than loosing weight, is that I was having a very irregular heartbeat that was just driving me crazy. It was bad enought that it would keep me up at night. Now, I was one of those people that the only thing I drank was Coke and I drank alot of it. My doctor recommended that I start this diet and see how I did on it. Ever since, my heartbeat has become regular and has even become somewhat slower but stronger.
Coreen, one of the meals I love is my taco salad. Taco meat, lettuce, sour cream, salsa con queso, shredded cheese and tomatos if I have some on hand. Yum yum yum!!!

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Magnolia

Feb. 4, 2004, 01:39 PM

Happy South Beacher here!
I love taco salad too - I do black beans, tofu and cheese on spinach! Yummy! My fave is my "lasagna" - grilled eggplant or zucchini layered with tomato sauce and cheese.
Eat lots of eggbeaters (never tire of those!) and use lots of splenda in my coffee.

Never had more energy in my life. It is so amazing how unimportant bread is - I get "naked burritos", "naked sandwiches" all the time. I put favorite pasta sauces over veggies and tofu. I don't even notice that I gave up bread - and my 2 person household used to eat 3-4 loaves of bread a week!

Also, I splurge on Carb Smart ice cream. It is very good, and still high in calories, but it doesn't call to me from the fridge, and I can get away with one serving very easily.

How do you guys eat at the shows with all the fries and muffins floating around?

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

bip

Feb. 4, 2004, 01:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Heineken:
Ok, you guys are motivating me...starting March 1 I'll be doing the low carb thing too I think!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not just start today? (says me who has been meaning to start Couch to 5k for TWO MONTHS now!)

FairWeather

Feb. 4, 2004, 01:51 PM

i'm low carbing too. i'm finding that I dont mind being on this diet, because i loose weight everyday.
I've been back on for 4 weeks after cheating all during the holidays, and have lost *almost* 20 pounds.
I almost finally fit into my custom shadbelly that was made for me when I was 18, though buttoning it up makes me look a little obscene http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Just give me two more weeks, that sucker is gunna look GUUUDDDD.

Now, if I can avoide back surgery number two, i'll be set to start showing again finally. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MKM

Feb. 4, 2004, 01:53 PM

Hilary aka Heineken...

Check your PT!!!

eclipse

Feb. 4, 2004, 02:11 PM

I've been on weight watchers now for 1 month & have lost 10lbs. I feel great and have learned to watch my portion sizes & eat a healthy, balanced diet. I have upped my veggie intake, lowered my fat & calories & cut out soft drinks and fast food. I have more energy than before & am finally starting to feel good about how I look.

Remember, if you want to loose weight and keep it up, fad diets won't work. You have to change your total outlook and lifestyle about food. Also, you can't deprive yourself totally, or you will end up craving and giving in!

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Silk

Feb. 4, 2004, 02:38 PM

I just started South Beach today. Do you think we could keep a "support thread" open? I know the South Beach site has a message board, but its just not the same as talking to horse people.

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b328

Feb. 4, 2004, 02:42 PM

I have been doing the south beach diet since january 2. I have lost 8 lbs overall, and it is really easy. It works for me because you aren't really depriving yourself of anything, you are just substituting healthier choices and paying more attention to what you eat. For example, you are supposed to cut out sugar and processed, enriched carbohydrates. So, since doing this diet, I have started reading labels and I can't believe how much garbage is added to prepared foods. I credit a lot of the weight loss to avoiding prepared foods and cooking most of our food from scratch. We (my fiance and I) have devised recipes for the foods we really missed, so we don't miss much of anything. My favorites are pizza with whole wheat crust and chicken parmesan. For the chicken parm, we dip the chicken in soy flower instead of bread crumbs for the outer breading. I also think passing up all of the baked goods that show up at work has helped me drop a few pounds. I didn't realize just how often I had a piece of cake or a cookie in the late afternoon at work.

AllWeatherGal

Feb. 4, 2004, 02:57 PM

I am trying to cut down on sugars (a.k.a. prepared foods!) and have found that trying to get/stay vegan has helped me lose enough weight that my once-uncomfortably tight skirts are now comfy.

Maybe it's just attention to the concept of getting actual NUTRITION from food, not just filling one's belly?

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DutchOwner

Feb. 4, 2004, 03:03 PM

I have been on atkins for a month and have lost 20 pounds...*woo hoo* Since I haven't really been into the showing scene the last couple of years I just let myself go...I have a bit more to get off, but It's nice that the scale is my friend again. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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baymare

Feb. 4, 2004, 03:30 PM

I did South Beach last fall and lost 17 lbs. Then I had shoulder surgery, and was not only inactive but depended on the cooking of others. I was too out of it to keep focussed on the diet, so I really didn't worry about it. I gained back a little, but not too much, and now that I am back to a near-normal activity level and my own cooking, I'm right back to where I was. Yesterday I rode in my beautiful Journeyman chaps that I haven't been able to wear for years!

LMH

Feb. 4, 2004, 03:51 PM

For those on these diets what is your daily carb intake?

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FairWeather

Feb. 4, 2004, 04:10 PM

Under 30 right now, but I'll start upping it soon.

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Feb. 4, 2004, 04:43 PM

My asthma is better. In general, I just feel better. Fewer ups and downs. My employees are greatly appreciative.

FrittSkritt

Feb. 4, 2004, 05:00 PM

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Daydream Believer

Feb. 4, 2004, 05:11 PM

I lost those miserable 12 lbs you could never take off by trying Atkins and have kept it off for over a year now. Everyone at work scoffed at me then but no one is laughing now but me! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I actually dropped too low and had to increase my carb intake to maintain my weight. Who ever heard of that on a low calorie low fat diet? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I am on lifetime maintenance and I would guess that I'm consuming around 40-70 carbs a day on average. I do worse some days and have a dish with whole wheat pasta and other days I do very well. My weight fluctutates maybe a pound or two up or down from around 114. I am fairly active when at home but work an office job all day and don't work out other than the horses and chores. I feel wonderful, my face has cleared up a lot, I sleep better, I have no more irritable bowel syndrome which used to be a real problem for me, and my allergies are better as well. It is a lifestyle change and once you make it and stick to it for a while, you'll find it easier and easier to make the right choices and avoid the junky stuff.

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LMH

Feb. 4, 2004, 05:25 PM

Are you talking TOTAL carbs or TOTAL carbs less fiber?

When you find yourself on the edge of a cliff, a step backward is progress

AWIP

Feb. 4, 2004, 05:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by eclipse:
I've been on weight watchers now for 1 month & have lost 10lbs. I feel great and have learned to watch my portion sizes & eat a healthy, balanced diet. I have upped my veggie intake, lowered my fat & calories & cut out soft drinks and fast food. I have more energy than before & am finally starting to feel good about how I look.

Remember, if you want to loose weight and keep it up, fad diets won't work. You have to change your total outlook and lifestyle about food. Also, you can't deprive yourself totally, or you will end up craving and giving in!

_"somewhere in the world, my size is considered desirable!!"_

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate to tell you but this "fad" diet has been around since before the low-fat craze started ... and WW was a dismal failure for me.

I'm very glad it is working for you though, not every system works for every person

AWIP

Feb. 4, 2004, 05:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by LMH:
Are you talking TOTAL carbs or TOTAL carbs less fiber?

_When you find yourself on the edge of a cliff, a step backward is progress _

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Personally I count total carbs ... what's this about total carbs - fiber?

Calico

Feb. 4, 2004, 06:53 PM

I would be interested, too, Onyx. I did some keyword searches for Atkins in Medline and CINAHL, and found that those on it consistently lose weight and maintain or lower cholesterol. I also read its effects on exercise tolerance were not so good compared to a high-carb diet.

It is having a hard time being endorsed by cardiologists, and I don't think skepticism is a bad thing here.

Interestingly, I also read that after a year, the weight reduction and other benefits become indistinguishable from other diets.

You know, I gotta wonder how much of the benefits are from simply cutting back on sugar and crap in general.

Coreene

Feb. 4, 2004, 07:57 PM

Before starting Atkins last spring, I asked my dr which one to do and he said Atkins. Same in Dec when I went for a checkup. Fortunately he refrained from adding "And about time, too, missy." But I cannot be in times of high stress, a la Willem's laminitis, or grief, and not stress/grief eat.

SquishTheBunny

Feb. 4, 2004, 08:35 PM

Okay now you are all making me jealous. Is there an "Atkins on video" or something? I hate to read and would probably skip over the important parts. Anyone want to either send me an abstract/summary or know where I can get a video?

I dont eat cheese and rely mostly on cafe food - what can/cant I eat? I want to lose 10lbs.

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oskaar

Feb. 4, 2004, 08:58 PM

I am on South Beach and love it. I've lost about 13 lbs (gained a few when I had to be flat on my back from a ruptured disk). I tried Atkins, but I've gone through bouts of vegetarianism, and it was really hard for me.

To clear up what Oynx was saying about Atkins-- it does work. The problem is, you basically put yourself into ketosis-- you have to drink tons of water to protect your kidneys. The only real way to know if it is working is to test your urine daily. If not, you may lose weight, but you could be doing some damage to your heart or other important organs. If you cheat AT ALL, you are suddenly on the "gaining weight like a mofo" diet. Not cool.

I have done tons of research on nutrition (hey, I do it for my horse, why not for me?). South Beach and WW are actually very similar. They both stress the importance of fiber and healthy eating. My problem with WW was that it allowed me to eat bagels and cream cheese, peanut butter and crackers, etc. All those good things I liked to eat when I wasn't eating meat. Since I stayed within the points, I was fine, and I lost weight.

What I have learned from reading South Beach (if you can get it at the lobes, pick it up-- it talks about the history of nutrition and the food pyramid, etc.) involves the insulin cycles. I have some circulation/anemia issues, and since I've upped my protein/ cut my sugar, it has helped tremendously. I like that my brain still works in the afternoon, and I have plenty of energy (both mentally and physically) for a full day of challenging work, a tough gym workout, and a crazy ride on the freight train.

I'm not encouraging any one diet plan over another, as I think different things work for different people (why many people swear by the "Eat Right for Your Blood Typre, etc. diets). Do some research before you begin to find out what will work for you. Some like things more structured, some like that they can exist on meat. I have had to go through several nutritional schedules before I found one that seemed to fit my lifestyle, tastes, and body preferences.

Anyway, just my .02

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Peggy

Feb. 4, 2004, 10:38 PM

There was an interesting article in the last Discover magazine about various diets. They said that one reason for the success of the Atkin's diet is that people will actually stick to it since they want to eat the food that's allowed.

Magnolia

Feb. 5, 2004, 05:31 AM

SB is very easy to follow and focuses on healthy foods. Very little (beyond junk!) is not allowed.

WW always turned me off because of "points" and I spoke to too many people who did things like ate snickers or other crap on that diet... instead of nutrition....to get their points. That is something I'd all to happily go along with if allowed!

SB is great because I can have tasty cheese and good things, but know that sugar is simply off limits to me now. If I were on weight watchers, I'd eat salads and snickers and go off very quickly!

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

JDufort

Feb. 5, 2004, 06:16 AM

I've been doing Atkins for 2 weeks, and have lost 8.5 lbs.
I'm vegetarian, so there are definitely challenges.
I do love cheese, eggs, and veggies - so that's a plus.
I do not particularly like water, and I love my black coffee - so that's a minus.
My feeling is that I will soon switch to the good carb/bad carb concept, trying to virtually eliminate "bad carbs" and maxing at about 40-50 "good carbs" plus overall calorie control, and see if I can sustain 1lb per week weight loss.
My goal is to lose 50 lbs, so I need a long term viable program.

My absolute favorite food is/was pasta, so that's the toughest. I just tried some DeBoles low carb pasta (net 8 for 2oz dry), but that is not particularly satisfying.

Jeanne
eventing - what doesn't break you makes you strong!

Magnolia

Feb. 5, 2004, 06:58 AM

JDufort-
Try your pasta sauces on veggies or sauted tofu. That helps me not miss the pasta!

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

Daydream Believer

Feb. 5, 2004, 07:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by LMH:
Are you talking TOTAL carbs or TOTAL carbs less fiber?

_When you find yourself on the edge of a cliff, a step backward is progress _

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm talking net carbs or carbs less fiber.

"No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

JDufort

Feb. 5, 2004, 07:09 AM

you're right.
last night I sauteed some veggies (green beans, cauliflower, mushrooms, celery) in olive oil/garlic, added some Pomi crushed tomatoes and basil/ground pepper/mustard. Threw in a bit of Feta and Parmesan. It was delicious!

Jeanne
eventing - what doesn't break you makes you strong!

Feb. 5, 2004, 07:47 AM

I've lost about 40 pounds doing low carbs but not strictly Atkins. My cholesterol shot up 50 points after 3.5 months. When I talked to my doctor, she said about two thirds of people can lower their cholesterol just by losing weight but about one third of people have the genetic make up that requires more careful fat intake. So I've switched to egg substitute and cut back drastically on the cheese and we'll recheck in another month or so.

And I've noticed my mare seems much happier with less of me sitting on her back. When I first started riding her last fall, she actually bucked me off and a couple of other times just stopped and refused to move. I no longer mount holding my breath and wondering if everything will be okay. We're even working on sitting trot now with no back soreness on her part.

Calico

Feb. 5, 2004, 08:19 AM

For what it's worth, there is a study comparing Atkins, South Beach, and the Zone, and there were no distinguishable results among them. I think Peggy has a point that folks stick with Atkins over other diets.

Your experience is interesting, AM, it proves that one method isn't a miracle for all.

oskaar

Feb. 5, 2004, 08:40 AM

Magnolia--

What do use to sautee your tofu? For some reason, I have a hard time getting creative with it!

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g and m horse transport

Feb. 5, 2004, 08:47 AM

what stores can you by this...ATKINS at? On My next trip to lexington or florida I want to pick it up.

oskaar

Feb. 5, 2004, 08:51 AM

try amazon.com, or you can go to atkins.com

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g and m horse transport

Feb. 5, 2004, 09:05 AM

Thanks very much Oskaar. From the main web site I found that it is sold in all GNC stores in Ontario. Sure is a lot cheaper than driving to KY.to buy some. I'm feeling thinner already lmao.Thanks again

AWIP

Feb. 5, 2004, 09:10 AM

If getting an Atkins book, personally, I'd pick up the original book "Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" You can probably find it at any bookstore, drug mart or supermarket.

On a side note: has anyone else noticed the subtle shifts in the diet to 'mainstream it' since Atkins himself died?

bigbay

Feb. 5, 2004, 09:36 AM

Sorry g and m horse transport, your post just reminded me(well, not your post, but your name)...

Since I do a LOT of driving throughout the year, with and without a horse trailer, I put a CB radio in my truck. Right after I got it, I was scanning the channels for entertainment, and came across two truckers having a conversation about Atkins. They were both enjoying how it was working for them, but one was bemoaning the fact that he couldn't eat his favorite snack anymore: chips and salsa.

"Oh shoot," replies the other one, "that ain't no problem! Jus' use pork rinds insteada chips. No carbs!"

(No wonder truckers love this diet) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"You sure that's allowed?" asks the first trucker dubiously. "I'll hafta check the book."

Too funny. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Gotta love a diet that allows pork rinds!

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Daydream Believer

Feb. 5, 2004, 09:53 AM

I strongly recommend Atkin's last book "Atkins for Life" as well as the Diet book. It really helps explain how to live on Atkins sucessfully and healthily.

"No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

AWIP

Feb. 5, 2004, 09:56 AM

Yeah ... that conversation can take a while ...

"So you can't eat junk food ..."
"I can still eat pork rinds"
*stunned pause* "Pork rinds are allowed on this diet..."
"Yes"
"No, really"
"Really"

Continue for another 10 min...

I will say though, has anyone else noticed how d@mn difficult it is to find them in Canada? (they suck on their own but work great as a dip or salsa conveyance)

monstrpony

Feb. 5, 2004, 10:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by A_work_in_progress:

On a side note: has anyone else noticed the subtle shifts in the diet to 'mainstream it' since Atkins himself died?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SUBTLE?? You are either joking or are the most polite human out there. Subtle? NOT!!

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bigbay

Feb. 5, 2004, 10:07 AM

Yeah, and what's with the sugar alcohols not counting? What is a sugar alcohol?

On another note, do you Atkins people eat use the low carb bread mixes and chocolate candy bars and such? Does it affect your weight loss?

"The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor

Magnolia

Feb. 5, 2004, 10:11 AM

Oskaar-
Think of tofu as chicken. I saute it on med in a bit of oil until nice and brown (takes awhile). Use firm/x-firm tofu. From there, I treat like chicken - cover it with whatever sauce would go on chicken. Or, marinade (like chicken!) and grill. "Vegetarian" tofu recipes are always gross. I like to sub it out for chicken w/ recipes in Gourmet magazine. Oh yeah, use shake and bake for tofu parmesan if you aren't overly carb conscious.

You can email me, and I'll get you some good recipes!

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

Coreene

Feb. 5, 2004, 10:17 AM

And then there was our intern at the office, who went on Atkins, discovered pork rinds, and PUT THEM IN THE MICROWAVE FIRST. Every single time. I cannot even begin to describe how nasty that smelled.

AWIP

Feb. 5, 2004, 10:42 AM

Monstrpony ... the first time I've ever been on the atkins website in 2 yrs was 2 days ago. I've always been following the original book, which has a very "as long as you follow the plan you can do this with or without me" feel. From what I've seen so far the Atkins Nutritional Approach is fostering much of the dependancy system of WW and the other plans out there. I'm leery of the "re-packaging" going on, but have been so out of touch with it that I wasn't sure how far it went.

Sugar alcohols don't "really" count as far as Atkins was concerned in that they don't affect the blood sugar and therefore insulin levels like normal carbs. (that's why you often see them in diabetic products) There was a court case several years ago becuase Aktins wasn't including the sugar alcohols & glycerin in the carb count on the bars. The FDA (i believe) counts them as carbs despite their differing action and so the case for misleading advertising... he lost I believe. that was the beginning of the "net carbs" statements. I don't know if I believe the carbs minus fiber bit ... doesn't sound in line with the original logic.

Wicky

Feb. 5, 2004, 10:54 AM

The problem I've had with the new "low carb" foods with sugar alcohols is that they are great! Real chocolate! And at Costco, you can get Carbolite bars for a reasonable price (sixteen in a box). This stuff definitely decreases the rate of weight loss, if I'm not careful, because of course it has calories. BUT, I don't get the water retention that I have had all of my life until I went on Atkins, and which comes back when I go off it. Really - my hands and feet swell, My shoes get tight, I can't wear rings, my shins lose definition and my ankles are pipes - has been since I entered puberty. It isn't just the water that comes with increased glycogen stores in muscles. For me, Atkins HAS to be a way of life.

NoGreatMischief

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:04 AM

Be careful with the sugar alcohols...if you have a somewhat sensitive stomach (as I do) they can really...ahhh...mess up the pipes, in the most urgent way http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

As a funny (to me, anyway) aside, I used to work at a health food store, and one day these two women came in with their reciept for a couple of pounds of sugar-free chocolate. Apparently they had so enjoyed the taste of the chocolate that they'd eaten it all, leading to much gastric distress and bathroom visits. They were SURE that the chocolate was contaminated and YELLED at the store owner, who as a nutritionist was trying to explain the finer points of sugar substitutes (I think this chocolate was sweetened with mylitol). They actually called my boss a liar and called in the health department to investigate. We all had a good laugh at these ladies' expense and pasted warning signs on all the containers of sugar-free confectionery. Man, were those women pissed!

FairWeather

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
And then there was our intern at the office, who went on Atkins, discovered pork rinds, and PUT THEM IN THE MICROWAVE FIRST. Every single time. I cannot even begin to describe how nasty that smelled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats just foul.
I cant eat those things. And I dont think one will ever touch my lips.
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OnyxThePony

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Considering Dr. Atkins was a cardiologist and ran his diet clinic for around 30 years ... I don't believe one can honestly say that there is "no proof that Atkins is not harmful
Please don't fear-monger <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that was just rude. And blinkered.
Atkins is (was) selling a product. I'm sure he woudn't damn his own marketing campaign? I"m not going to argue with anyone, nor am I downplaying the individual weight loss (good for you all!!) or the terrific job of AWARENESS this campaign has created. (Like Monty Roberts for a horse-related contensious issue)

The point is to do your research, look at those arguing both sides (yes, ketosis can cause serious effects for some people. Yes, it likely did contribute to the deaths of my friends. Would you like to see the autopsy results? honestly..) It's just too big an issue. The point is to keep your eyes and ears open, and use your OWN common sense.

As someone who WAS involved in the medical or health industry (as some of you know, I used to work in diabetes research) I'm afraid I have a bit too inside view of how certain campaigns work. Just a bit jaded, which I am not tyring to get across, just the very practical point that you need to be careful, and that snake oil is more prevelant than the layperson consumer may realize.
Are carrots or Mars Bars more often advertised on TV? Which is healthier? Which side has spent more on consumer support? How many ads are taken out specifically against your buying a Mars Bar? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Moonkitty, I'm sorry I haven't saved or compiled the research I've done over 8 or so years. I used to do this as a living.. now it's a silly hobby and I'm a bit burnt out.

Much weight loss and well being can be achieved by reduction of..well, what I said before, reduction of modern high-carb preprocessed unbalanced diets. But you CAN temper an Atkins type diet by *balancing* it.
Just a little food for thought, pardon the pun.

sittin on the dock of the bay...

AWIP

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:14 AM

Fairweather ... that depends on how desperate you get for a chip & dip/salsa fix http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

To keep it horse-related ... I don't think my pony is too impressed with the improved breathing ... it means I have the stamina to work her harder.

OnyxThePony

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:17 AM

Oh yeah, and getting out and getting my duff off this computer chair would help me, personally, too!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
But then we couldn't discuss how the getting your duff out of the computer chair and working out diet works http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Daydream Believer

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:28 AM

Yeh, I found out the hard way about sugar alcohol too! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

"No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

AWIP

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:45 AM

Well ... I'm not sure how a statement of facts and a request with the word please in it is rude and you did not address the 2nd portion of that post ... but so be it.

I have done alot of research on this one, and the research shows that the discovery and rise of metabolic syndrome directly correlates with the advent of the low-fat philosophy (early 80s), the so-called 'obesity epidemic' stats began their statistically significant rise from the early 80s onward. There is now 30 years of inconvertable data that shows a link beween these, so overwhelming that even those who formerly preached the low-fat high carb gospel are openly re-thinking their position. Some of these people are the same ones that tried (and failed) to get Atkins' medical license removed.

Maybe I did come across as rude and if so I apologize. However, I can say that I am neither blinkered nor uninformed and have more reasons than most to be VERY medically & scientifically literate.

edited to add
"I now have several friends (all men) who have had or died from, heart attacks while on Atkins. There is NO long term proof that Atkins is NOT harmfull. There IS emerging proof it is very harmfull."

An open ended statement with no data IS fear mongering IMHO

[This message was edited by A_work_in_progress on Feb. 05, 2004 at 03:02 PM.]

race_run_jump

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:55 AM

I've lost 18 lbs on Atkins since New Year's - it seems much easier this time as there are lots more products to eat - I love the carbolite lemon crisp bars and the sugar free candies. I just got some caramels and some peppermint patties that are fab. I also - being past the induction time - have been into the wraps from Subway - YUM!! I try to only eat one every few days, but it's a lifesaver when I haven't had time to pack lunch. For pizza cravings, I'll throw a few pepperoni slices, a tiny drop of pizza sauce, and a handful of mozzerella in the microwave - totally satisfies that problem. I am a total pizza addict!! I would report on the riding effect, but as my farm is one big sheet of ice with little mud spots on it, I will have to put that off!!

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CrazyDog

Feb. 5, 2004, 12:28 PM

My husband and I have both tried the Zone. Following the rules exactly, he does well, but I turn into a raving b@#ch. Upping my carbs just a little completely solves this problem and I still reap the benefits. I'm not allowed on the full Zone again!

One problem I have with the Zone is actually eating enough carbs. If I use vegetables as my carbs for a meal, it ends up being enough for three people. I sometimes cheat by having a glass of wine at dinner and eating fewer vegetables.

Also, has anyone figured out how to get the prep time down? I can't chop vegetables that quickly and it seems as if I prep dinner, cook dinner, eat dinner, then go to bed!

good booie

Feb. 5, 2004, 12:40 PM

Two words

CARB BLOCKERS

they work http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Miss Maddie

Feb. 5, 2004, 01:03 PM

I've really wondered why the food industry has taken so long to catch on to the low-carb craze and start producing more products. I recently saw Lean Cuisine low carb dinners - finally!

I usually do Atkins for 2-3 weeks/year, but I agree with everyone, I feel so much better on it that even though I don't need to lose much weight, I should stay on it. It's amazing how much flatter the thighs lie on the dressage saddle when you are feeling thinner!

HollBear

Feb. 5, 2004, 01:11 PM

Good Booie,
Please tell us about carb blockers. Are you referring to the pills? Are they safe? Are you saying they work/worked on you? What are your results?
I am struggling...I've been on SouthBeach for 3 weeks and haven't lost a pound. My mom is doing it with me and she lost 8 pounds. I do feel better though.

oskaar

Feb. 5, 2004, 01:20 PM

Low Carb peppermint patties??? Okay, I can die now. Yorks are my favorite!!!

Magnolia, I will email you. I have trouble being creative with chicken as well, and I'm starting to get a little bored!

good booie

Feb. 5, 2004, 01:41 PM

Stormcloud

While surfing the net I came across this funny website and decided to try them. They really work.

www.FreeeBeer.com (http://www.FreeeBeer.com)

Love my Quarter Horse!

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Xena

Feb. 5, 2004, 01:54 PM

Well my friend and I are getting together tonight to go through the SB book and will try to support each other. I've been trying to do the Atkins diet, but keep breaking down on the carbs.

What do you guys do to get rid of your cravings? I have the worst cravings....I end up breaking down and finding somethign with carbs in it. Any suggestions? I'm sure if I could get through a full week, I'd be fine and hopefully I'll see the results everyone else has seen!

oskaar

Feb. 5, 2004, 02:01 PM

Can't speak for Atkins... but on SB, the first 1-2 days is bad (my whole family's on the thing and they said the same). I wasn't hungry, but I had this urge to just shove food in my mouth (phantom carbs plaguing my insulin settings?).

Anyway, eating a sugar free fudgsicle seemed to help. After that, it really is easy (and I'm good at having an excuse to cheat on ANYTHING). I actually had to start over-- I got a stomach bug, had to take antibiotics, and I was only allowed white bread and chicken broth for a week. The second time was harder than the first in terms of the first 2 days, but I think it had to do with the massive amounts of flour I was consuming.

Now, he said he needs a Master CD to make copies. Is that like the brand? Aren't they all the same?-- my boss

CrazyDog

Feb. 5, 2004, 02:15 PM

How is the South Beach diet different from the Zone or Atkins? I know that Atkins is low-carb, where the Zone is about balancing your carb intake with the right amounts of fat and protein. What does the South Beach plan do?

Also, I went to buy a low-carb snack this afternoon since you guys are all raving about them. The peanut butter cups by Atkins taste great, but at $2.69 CDN for a small package, I don't think I'll be buying them very often!

g and m horse transport

Feb. 5, 2004, 05:12 PM

By the way oskaar, I went to get some of the ATKINS stufff but they don't have it all yet.Its not all available in the GNC stores yet,however somebody mentioned carb blockers. Well the local Walmart had something a little different for sale.It was not a pill, it is little cubes of chocolaty/caramels. Its called STARCH AWAY-BLOCKS CARBS INSTANLY. All natual stimulant free. It so far has worked pretty well. Just chew a couple of these little cubes before a meal that might be high in carbs(nice big Italian dinner)and then keep your self fairly close to the lew. The effects are faily close to that of those fat blockers. Anyhooo, I have had a few high carb dinners and should have gained a couple of pounds by morning, luckly no such thing by taking those carb blockers.

Daydream Believer

Feb. 5, 2004, 05:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by xena:

What do you guys do to get rid of your cravings? I have the worst cravings....I end up breaking down and finding somethign with carbs in it. Any suggestions? I'm sure if I could get through a full week, I'd be fine and hopefully I'll see the results everyone else has seen!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Face it...you're addicted....Honest. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I had the most awful time for about 3 days. I actually was phsyically ill the second day on Atkins induction...just so nauseated I couldn't get off the sofa. It passed after a little while and I felt great. According to Atkins, the more addicted you are to carbs and sugar, the sicker you will feel and the harder to break the cravings. Hang in there and be strong...it does pass. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

I got a silly notion to buy some tortilla chips the other day...I was hungry and it was a spontaneous thing. I bought a bag, ate a few, and I just couldn't finish them. They're sitting here by the computer. I have no desire to eat them now at all. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif You just get to where that stuff isn't all that appealing or you can eat a few and turn off your craving quickly.

"No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

FairWeather

Feb. 5, 2004, 06:28 PM

oh mommy dearest,
Ben and Jerry's low carb ice cream is da bomb!
cant tell the difference between them!

BybeeGirl

Feb. 5, 2004, 06:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
Happy South Beacher here!
How do you guys eat at the shows with all the fries and muffins floating around?

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You know the muffins weren't the problems at shows, but the pasta salad was the hardest to avoid. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I packed a full travel size cooler for me to avoid the snack stand.
Cheese sticks, frozen water bottles, Crystal Light, brocolli, cauliflower, celery and peanut butter, etc. to snack on, and a chicken salad for lunch.
Worked last summer, hope it will this summer too! If I could just figure a way to keep the barn kids from stealing those cheese sticks!

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Flipper K.

Feb. 5, 2004, 07:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
And then there was our intern at the office, who went on Atkins, discovered pork rinds, and PUT THEM IN THE MICROWAVE FIRST. Every single time. I cannot even begin to describe how nasty that smelled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Holy cow, Coreene, what bad memories just came rushing back to me. I worked with a guy that did the same thing -- stunk up the whole office until we were all nauseous. So this is what a flashback feels like! I can smell it as I type -- please hold, while I go get sick ...

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bewitchedarabians

Feb. 5, 2004, 09:27 PM

I made the change to Atkins 8/8/03 and have lost 45.5 pounds to date. LIFE IS GOOD---and this is EASY! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
For those wanting/interested in a diet support group, visit 3fatchicks.com Great site with weightloss info/articles, neat calculators, etc and forums, for ALL diet/weightloss programs. Y'all come on over---haven't found any or many "horse folks" there, so it be would good to have more of 'us' there!

Tabatha
http://bewitchedarabians.homestead.com

Grasshopper

Feb. 5, 2004, 11:09 PM

How do those of you with spouses (or kids, etc) manage to stick to these diets? I don't need to lose weight right now, but have been just tired early recently, and I suspect it's from not eating right--just started a new job, in law school part time, and taking care of the horse. I love to cook, but haven't had time recently to make sure I'm balancing things out. Plus, my husband eats like a horse, and is from Eastern Europe...lots of potatoes and bread in his "diet"!

I do the shopping and most of the cooking, so have some control over things, but don't have time or energy to count carbs. Also have quite low blood pressure, so I have to eat pretty frequently.

Are there a couple of key things I can do to eat healthier? Thanks!

Magnolia

Feb. 6, 2004, 05:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> How do those of you with spouses (or kids, etc) manage to stick to these diets? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I usually serve BF what I'm having, and I make him some carbs - a potato or some noodles. If he wants sweets, I make those and make him send the rest to work. Luckily, he isn't a big sweet tooth and is happy with fruit for dessert. He is one of those awful http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif people who would chose an apple over "chocolate fudge explosion" and cut up brocolli over potato chips. Of course, he's thin....

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

Tom King

Feb. 6, 2004, 05:56 AM

Pam put us on the South Beach diet and I have to say I'm amazed. We were both getting a little middle-age pouch, especially after the holidays, even with as much exercise as we do. In the first week and a half she dropped 6-7 pounds and I 8 pounds. The amazing thing is it's all off my gut and where she needed to loose it. We've both gone back to jeans that we haven't been able to get into for a while.

FairWeather

Feb. 6, 2004, 06:14 AM

My SO is doing this diet with me, but he's a little more liberal.

To show how do-able this diet is, I currently have a BAG of Ghiradelli chocolate bars sitting in my house, a Box of Godiva chocolate (thanks Gato Gordo!) and a cabinet full of Mac N Cheese (my fave http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) and I dont even want it.....um, now http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I find it much easier to do the following. First, PLAN your meals out--dont wait until the last minute to 'grab a bite' or you WILL cheat out of sheer starvation and no other choices around.
Second, Have your fridge FULL of stuff you like to eat. My faves are Turkey pepperoni, Macadamias and various nuts, bags of prepared salads that you can throw together, and a cooked chicken or turkey that you can nibble on.

Third, Find a dessert you like. My fave to eat is Frozen cool whip with peanut butter on it. YUMMY! Tastes similar to ice cream. Though, last night I bought Ben and Jerrys AND breyers Low carb ice cream and it was so damn good I couldnt believe it.

Fourth, make SMALL targets! Dont say "i want to lose 40 pounds!" Say to yourself "i want to lose 8 pounds" Make the goals attainable, then change your goals each time you reach your last goal.

Fifth, Dont weigh yourself for two weeks. Pay attention to how your clothes are fitting (or not fitting), then weigh yourself every few days, not everyday.

Sixth, find an article of clothing that you have as a goal (mine is my shadbelly that was custom made for me 40 pounds ago!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif). Hang it where you will see it all the time. ON the fridge if you need to!

Seventh, get rid of ALL the stuff you cant have! Go to a homeless shelter and donate unopened pasta, soup, etc. SO and I had a ritualistic "feeding of the pigs" where we took all the food that we couldnt eat and was openend (chips, pretzels, candy) and fed it to the pigs that live at the barn where I get hay http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. That was fun http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Eighth, read Low carb support sites. Look at what other people have done, and how good they look. This helps me more than I ever knew it could.

Ninth, Allow yourself a few days off if you need it. You might gain some weight, but mental torture is worse than that http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. I usually set goals for myself--my next goal is Valentines Day thru to my birthday. (Thats 5 days) and I'm going to cheat, but not horribly http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Well, thats what works for me, and really there is no excuse for cheating anymore, since there are fabulous sweets, instant soups, snack bars, bread http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif and meals at Subway, Fridays etc. Safeway has FABULOUS stuff for Low-carbers!

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Celebrity

Feb. 6, 2004, 07:18 AM

I have been eating low carbs for almost 2 weeks now (no special diet... just my own) And I have noticed LOTS of headaches.. but in general I feel better about the rest of my body..Lost almost 10 pound sin two weeks just from eating low carbs, low sugars and high protein/fibre.. PLUS I have been tanning like a freak in preparation for Mexico (I am a burny-go-whitey)..
My problem is, I want to continue eating healthy as I am now, BUT if I loose anymore weight I will look anorexic.. any ideas on how to eat properly and NOT loose weight?

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flshgordon

Feb. 6, 2004, 08:13 AM

I think everyone should realize that no one solution is going to work for everyone. I lost 30 lbs on weight watchers last year and decided at Thanksgiving I wanted to go ahead and lose some more. My mom & stepdad are doing atkins so I thought I would give it a try. All I can say is for me---it was an awful experience!!! After the first few days the cravings went away but it was just total monotony....I can only eat so much meat, cheese and eggs before I can't stand it anymore. Vegetables are a big thing for me---and I don't mean just a few cups of salad vegetables...I mean I like to eat lots of different veggies during the day. So that was one big strike for me. I did lose a little weight initially, but it wasn't this drastic reduction everyone had talked about, and I hate to mention but I was constipated ALL the time! The bad part came when I tried to start adding carbs back in little by little. All I can say is the headaches were unbearable and I stopped doing it. After a few weeks of returning to normal from that, I went back to WW and started losting weight right away---and eating a VARIETY of foods & veggies I really like.

Just thought I would pop that in on this thread--Atkins can't work for everyone, and it's not the be all end all of diets that the media makes it out to be. Weight watchers and south beach aren't for everyone either. I think it's a good idea to assess your lifestyle and what would fit in to that lifestyle best for you. Atkins would never fit in with the way I like to eat and I don't want to spend my life feeling like I'm always on a specific program. For me WW doesn't feel like that. Also--don't ever be afraid to ask your doctor what they think would be best for you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Any and every aspect of riding should be for the betterment of the horse"--GM

AWIP

Feb. 6, 2004, 08:43 AM

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif flash ... can you find me a good doctor? My conversations with mine boil down to Atkins is a great way to kill yourself, try eating 800 cal a day or less, get surgery or start taking diet drugs ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Feb. 6, 2004, 08:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Celebrity:
My problem is, I want to continue eating healthy as I am now, BUT if I loose anymore weight I will look anorexic.. any ideas on how to eat properly and NOT loose weight?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's really not that hard! 40/30/30, or 30/40/30, or for shorter periods of time 40/40/20 (protein, carbs, fat) as percentages of your total daily calories. Yes, it involves math. If you don't eat enough protein, your body uses muscle to survive. If you eat TOO much protein (aka Atkins) then your body works REALLY hard to get rid of all the excess, which is why you can do some serious damage to your kidneys if you aren't drinking enough water. Long distance runners have long known that too high a protein diet can make for dehydration very quickly.

IMNSHO, the best "diet" is one that teaches you to eat properly. And IMNSHO Atkins is not eating properly. Society has gotten to the point where EVERYthing is supersized and full of carbs and fat and poor quality protein. This is spilling into the rest of the world with McDonalds (among others) and countries that used to be full of svelte healthy people are now experiencing sharp increases in heart problems and cholesterol problems and people just plain getting fat.

Have any of you who have stopped having asthma/allergy/sinus problems on Atkins stopped to think that it just might be because you've stopped eating known allergens of processed grains? Processed wheat products are allergens to so many people who don't realize it.

I'm glad so many of you are trying different "diets", but it's too bad that Atkins (and others, but Atkins is the focus here) isn't teaching you to eat a well-balanced diet which DOES *gasp* include carbs!

AWIP

Feb. 6, 2004, 09:14 AM

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif Who said any of these plans don't include carbs? They all do ... Atkins included.

This is getting unexpectedly frustrating. I have to say, since I started the thread, please read the thread title "Low Carb, show season & unexpected benefits" It is meant to be a positive thread to discuss the unexpected ways these systems have helped us.

If you aren't going to discuss this topic in a positive fashion, please don't add to it or I will close the thread & take it PT.

flshgordon

Feb. 6, 2004, 09:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by A_work_in_progress:
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif flash ... can you find me a good doctor? My conversations with mine boil down to Atkins is a great way to kill yourself, try eating 800 cal a day or less, get surgery or start taking diet drugs ... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

YIKES....I'd say any doctor would be better than that!!!! I can't imagine most docs would encourage diet drugs either http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Anyway---I don't think atkins will kill you (but I know it's not healthy for ME), but less than 20 carbs a day is such a shock to the system that it's something not everyone can deal with.

I don't think this has taken a negative turn....some people like it some don't---it's good to hear everyone's experiences with all choices.

"Any and every aspect of riding should be for the betterment of the horse"--GM

budman

Feb. 6, 2004, 09:31 AM

I'm now on the Sugarbusters diet. A friend recommended it, and it's perfect for me, much easier than Atkins. It just doesn't get much press...
Basically, it eliminates all refined sugar and refined carbs. So, Atkins plus lots of fruits and veggies and whole grain breads, pasta, etc. It's a very sensible diet, and while not as fast acting as Atkins, it seems much healthier. Plus, I can have Triscuits! I haven't even wanted to cheat, except when I was starving and in a hurry--I wanted to grab a sandwich because it was easy.

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b328

Feb. 6, 2004, 09:46 AM

To the person who doesn't want to lose any more weight, maybe you can eat healthier things, but eat more of them? For example, substitute whole grain products for highly processed products? Actually, that can go for everything, I bet. I think given all of the additives and processing in prepared foods, just switching to cooking your own and paying attention to labels is a big step toward eating a healthier diet. If you are still having a problem maintaining weight, maybe add some healthier fats, like cooking things in olive oil and such.

I don't think I have been terribly strict about the way I have followed South Beach. I was strict the first two weeks, but have since then eased up considerably. I haven't added back any real sugar on a regular basis, but I have been eating whole grain foods once or twice a day. For example, I have been eating oatmeal most days for breakfast (not bad with some crushed walnuts, cinnamon, and a packet of equal for flavor), and then with either lunch or dinner I might have something in a whole wheat roll-up or pita, or a slice of bread. I usually do at least one meal a day with no bread or grains. I have also been eating a grapefruit a day (I love grapefruit!!), and snacking on a few dried apricots fairly regularly. I am also enjoying strawberries fairly regularly. I feel very healthy and have not been getting headaches in the afternoon like I used to.

One of my favorite things is to make a pizza with whole wheat dough. It is a really nice treat, and one or two pieces fills me up. You just follow a regular pizza dough recipe and substitute equal for sugar and whole wheat flour for the white flour.

Another good substitute for flour or breading in recipes is soy flour. It has a slightly coarser texture than normal flour, more like bread crumbs.

Daydream Believer

Feb. 6, 2004, 10:05 AM

Atkins does let you have carbs. I'm on lifetime maintenance and I'm probably eating 60-80 a day. I have a nice variety in my diet of fruits, veggies, and proteins like meat & cheese. The difference to me is that for the first time a diet directed me to stop the processed foods, trans fats, sugars, etc... No low cal, low fat diet I ever tried addressed that...but Atkins did and so does South Beach, Sugarbusters, etc.... No other diet ever helped me to lose the weight I wanted and keep it off either. I think there is a lot of misinformation on what Atkins really had to say and I have delt with that here at work too. Everyone here thought I was going to die or something by now and kept telling me it was so unhealthy. If that is so, why do I feel so much better? I am back to the weight when I was 20, my IBS is gone, face cleared up, sugar related issues gone, etc....

"No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

Feb. 6, 2004, 11:05 AM

A_work_in_progress - that was a poor choice of words for me to imply that some of these diets don't allow for carbs at all. Like I said, I realize that a lot of people are getting good results on a lot of these diets. *I* just do not believe they are healthy in the long run, given that (in the case of carbs) a healthy diet of, say, 1800 calories a day, at 40/30/30 gives you 180g of protein and 135g of carbs, then 30g of carbs is 6% and, assuming the fat stays the same, 64% protein. *I* just don't see how that is healthy in the long run, and I'm not the only one. JMHO. That's all.

flshgordon

Feb. 6, 2004, 11:18 AM

just to reiterate one last time.....the first phase of atkins---which can be from as little as two weeks to several MONTHS allows for 20g or less of carbs PER DAY....that's 3 cups of salad greens or 2 cups of salad and one cup of one of their list of acceptable veggies (ex: artichokes, snow peas, onions, broccoli, cabbage, okra). So yes....once you get past the first phase you can eat more vegetables....but in the first phase you cannot. Maybe in some of the others...south beach or the zone this imbalance is rectified but to me, that was the biggest drawback of atkins. I don't think anyone claima Atkins is NO carb, but 20g per day is pretty darn close at first.

"Any and every aspect of riding should be for the betterment of the horse"--GM

FairWeather

Feb. 6, 2004, 12:13 PM

To any nay (neigh?)sayers, I like to plagerize Tom Ivers' "what works is real" and low carb works for people. Yes, it "allows" high fat foods, but honestly, I havent met anyone who scarfs them down constantly. Since being on this diet, it makes me think about what i'm eating, and planning to eat, instead of stuffing what EVER is around down my gullet. It makes you THINK about food instead of ingest it, which is a good thing.
my bf and I eat beef about once a week, and chicken, fish or veggies the rest, and our absolute fave is Ground turkey simmered with taco seasoning, onions, tomatoes, peppers, sprinkled with some cheese and sour cream, then put into iceburg lettuce for 'wraps'
YUMMY!
I dont limit the amount of veggies I have, but I avoid high-carb veggies right now and stick to Asparagus, spinach, broccoli, cauliflour (mashed like mashed potatoes ! YUM!), zucchini, brussel sprouts and green beans.
i have no problem dropping weight and eating all of this, plus all the salad I want to eat. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Magnolia

Feb. 6, 2004, 12:31 PM

People used to comment that I wasn't getting nutrition from being a veggie - I'd wonder if they were getting nutrition from the McMeal!

If all you ate carb wise is white flour and sugar.... like many americans, than 2 or 3 cups of salad a day on Atkins is a huge improvement. All is disallows that is good is whole grains.... and how many people eat whole grains?

I will say the fruit thing is funny - fruit is a good thing. SB allows it (after the beginning), not sure about Atkins.....

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

sweetnlo

Feb. 6, 2004, 02:13 PM

the 20 phase of atkins is 2 weeks, no longer, after that you start adding "healthy" natural carbs bit by bit.

AWIP

Feb. 6, 2004, 05:54 PM

JB ... sorry for getting cranky. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I just get a little frustrated sometimes that at the mis-information that gets thrown at me on a fairly regular basis on this one.

I know the 20 carb start seems low but the basic principle makes alot of sense to me. The first premise is that there is some kind of imbalance at work in your body to cause the situation (. IF that is the case, then the second premise is that you can't fix an unbalanced situation with a balanced diet. (Think of a seesaw. If its weighted down at one end and you add 100lbs to each end at the same time, what happens?) So you add a purposeful imbalance and slowly adjust until you get a normal (for your body) equilibrium.

After the first 2 weeks, you add about 5g of carbs/week until the weight loss peters out. The point which you stop losing is your personal balance point, you track that and then re-adjust below that point to continue losing weight. That is why fruit is out in the beginning, the sheer quantity of natural sugars can blow you out of the water if you don't know that your body can handle the influx. Think about it, if a diabetic has a problem with low blood sugar ... they are told to get ahold of some hard candy or oj. Both will provide an equal jolt to the blood sugar levels, despite the fact that one is definitely healthier than the other.

There's a bunch of other metabolic processes involved ... but I've rambled enough. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

horse_poor

Feb. 6, 2004, 06:48 PM

ok i read this thread with a TON of interest...as i am, what my ex boyfriend used to say....a CARB HO!!! I WILL PUT OUT FOR PASTRY http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

i have pcos (poly cystic ovarian syndrom) and one of the symptoms is whacked out blood sugars, glucose tolerance messed up, etc. they put me on glucophage, dropped my sugars too much, so i went off it

then i read the carbohydrate addict book--verrrrrrrrry interesting reading -- if you havent read it i suggest it--according to it, if you eat no carbs all day then allow one hour a day to eat carbs you will lose weight.

thought it was a great idea-but i couldnt make it past noon.

i think if i gave up carbs i would literally become physically ill-if i do go with a low carb diet how do you deal with the physcial withdraw?

i need to get either the SB or atkins books and read---i dont know what is and is not allowed....

but out of curiosity, is anyone out there who is on atkins or sb also dealing with PCOS?

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Erin

Feb. 6, 2004, 07:13 PM

Folks, unless this thread gets horse-related, I'm going to have to close it...

horse_poor

Feb. 6, 2004, 08:00 PM

ummmmmmmmm how about if i can get some help eatting less carbs which will make me lose weight which my horse will loff....?????

actually, i think someone else said that dropping the pounds magically makes the coat look better?

fitting into old show clothes we "outgrew"?

not having to go by more in a larger size?

molly
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LMH

Feb. 7, 2004, 06:17 AM

How people OD on carbs and horses also OD on carbs (grains, sweetfeeds, etc) and nutritional research has shown neither is good for either.

When you find yourself on the edge of a cliff, a step backward is progress

AWIP

Feb. 7, 2004, 06:21 AM

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Erin ... Does the fact that losing weight means that either hitting the dirt will hopefully hurt less or maybe I'll even hit the dirt less count? (I've been doing that WAAAAY to much lately *ouch)

Note to self: Plus size rider + last second duck out by horse = world class thud http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Horse_poor: PT me if you want the condensed version http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Magnolia

Feb. 7, 2004, 08:33 AM

Will horse show food vendors step on the low carb craze? I bet if I went to WEF with a low carb food trolley, I'd be one rich person real quick!

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

2greys

Feb. 7, 2004, 09:42 AM

well my jeans aren't fitting so good as they once did... never mind breeches with elastic stuff in them. ewww. i for the life of me can't "follow the rules" of a diet. and in the military, I eat chow hall or drive thru. I don't ever cook for myself.

I like to keep it simple for my blonde self:

less food, more exercise.

So I eat whatever I want, but small amounts. which takes discipline, but I never count calories. And I only drink water. ANd drink at least 1 glass before eating, it makes me eat less. And spend 45 minutes on the elliptical machine, then go out to the track and run for 15 minutes. SO I get 1 hour of exercise, sweat a little, and not scarf down food.

Don't get me started on Ben and Jerry's... you haven't met an ice cream freak until you've met me!

I'm trying to lose 20 lbs and have lost 5 in the last 2 weeks. Hoorah! Maybe I can look goood in breeches in a couple months after all.

*yeah I'm sure they're grey. just scrape the mud off!*

Calico

Feb. 7, 2004, 10:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by magnolia:

If all you ate carb wise is white flour and sugar.... like many americans, than 2 or 3 cups of salad a day on Atkins is a huge improvement. All is disallows that is good is whole grains.... and how many people eat whole grains?

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You seriously think no one eats whole grains? And no whole grains on Atkins? I'd die. Beans and rice are my favorite, but I guess that's too many carbs. What a load of hooey.

woudn'tYOUliketoknow?

Feb. 7, 2004, 11:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by magnolia:
Will horse show food vendors step on the low carb craze? I bet if I went to WEF with a low carb food trolley, I'd be one rich person real quick!

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They already are!!! The coffee/smoothie vendor that comes to a lot of Bob Bell's shows was in Jacksonville, and she had low-carb BROWNIES, a low-carb Chai-latte mix (only 4 grams!) and some low carb muffins and stuff! She'll be headed to Gulfport like usual I'm sure.

What I don't understand is a lady ordering in front of me exclaims "oh wow low carb brownies!" then procedes to order herself a large HOT CHOCOLATE...lol that only has probably 75g of carbs, and pure sugar at that!

I was on Atkins for two years- I got mono and had to quit then I just somewhat got tired of it. I've gained a lot of weight though, so I may have to start again!

woudn'tYOUliketoknow?

Feb. 7, 2004, 11:41 AM

evenstar

Feb. 7, 2004, 03:08 PM

Back in '96, I knew I wanted to get out to some shows for the first time in years. I tried on my old faithful riding jacket...ok, must have shrunk, right? 'Cause I couldn't button it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif. It was either spend lots of money to buy a new coat when I had a perfectly decent one already, or lose weight.
So I went on my own tailored version of a low fat diet. Yep, I counted fat grams, and only allowed so many a day. Being something of an analytical whiz, that worked real well for me. And losing 20 pounds made a world of difference in my riding.
Just in the past couple of years, the weight started to creep back - not the entire 20, more like 10. Only now it's worse, because this means my boots don't fit on my newly fatted calves http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
But I just couldn't get up the energy to go low fat again. So I bought into South Beach. Worked out great, because it attacks all the same bad habits (for me) that the low fat diet worked on (ice cream, cookies, pastries all have too many fat grams as well as being high in carbs/sugar). With an added bonus - beer has no fat grams! So I could claim low fat and drink way too much beer! Now I have to be more honest about that little habit...hmm, but you know red wine is ok "in moderation"...I think I'm on to something.

FairWeather

Feb. 8, 2004, 08:02 AM

I think this is very horse related--at least it is for me, because My favorite horse to ride, although he's over 17 hands, is about as wide as a a weekly newspaper, and I look downright funny on him http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I look reDICulous on him from the front or rear, because my butt is bigger than his http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
hee hee!

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GatoGordo

Feb. 8, 2004, 09:05 AM

FW, don't worry, my CAT has a bigger butt than that horse! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

oskaar

Feb. 8, 2004, 09:41 AM

I think diet and butrition goes under rider fitness...

I did my first conditioning set of the year yesterday, and although I didn't hike my stirrups up to Derby length like I would mid-season, I'm usually pretty sore after the first one. I am 1-month post ruptured disk, I rearranged my furniture the night before (by myself), and had a hard workout at the gym an hour prior. I felt great! I'm not even sore today in my back! I have always been quite fit, but I have a pretty good-sized (and well-earned!) beer belly left over from hs/college. Losing 15 or so pounds is making a big difference! Now, if only I can start losing the double Ds...

Now, he said he needs a Master CD to make copies. Is that like the brand? Aren't they all the same?-- my boss

PinkPony

Feb. 8, 2004, 05:24 PM

I want to try atkins but the only thing I really eat is pasta and rice. I LOVE pasta! I guess I'll have to grin and bear it if I want to fit in my breeches again.

Magnolia

Feb. 9, 2004, 05:55 AM

I like big butts....

So my boyfriend took a short video of me riding this weekend. I was all proud of me from waist up. Then he got the cantering away butt shot. You know the one. The butt wider than the horse. Doh.

So, where I'm at is a Size Large top and size XXL bottom. My dieting does nothing beyond reduce my waist and boobs. Exercise builds muscle under my leg fat and burns fat from mu mid section. I feel cursed, but at least my bottom heavy should help me stay on the horse.

Any thoughts on exercises or diets to help my bottom half catch up to my top half so I don't have any more, MGMBIH moments?

The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

Amy

Feb. 9, 2004, 07:49 AM

I too got on Atkins again because (horse related) I needed to loose some weight and get fit for the horses that will be ridden this spring. I have a 3yo going to the trainer on Sunday for 2 weeks and when he comes back GREEN I need to be able to stick with him.

I count net carbs not total. From the beginning I did not worry about amount of veggies. I eat WAY more than was allowed for the first 2 weeks. So- deduct fiber and I was still at about 20 g per day.

Now I have 1/2 lc high fiber bagel for breakfast (7g - 6 g fiber= 1 g net), a piece of grilled meat and a salad from Wendy's (Spring mix with ranch and almonds- remove the tomatoes/cukes/onion), snack sf jello and whip cream, dinner grilled lean meat (usually chicken or pork- hate fish!) and maybe 3 c of cooked veggies (usually squash, onions and mushrooms, cauliflower, broccoli...)

I make a sf custard that is pretty good that I have sometimes for snacks. I also buy some sf cheesecakes and sf chocolates (ashers are the best- but don't eat too much!). If anyone LOVES cornbread I have a TOO DIE FOR RECIPE! As well as a lc flatbread for pizza or just plain eating- both quick and easy. You can pt me. I was a baker so it is very important to me that 'fake' has to be GREAT... otherwise I don't want it.

Plenty of folks on atkins eat pintos or blackbeans- but once they are in the maintaning stage for life. I still want to shed more weight so I won't be doing that yet.

Everybody is different- this 'diet' works for me because I don't feel deprived so no need to binge. If you can loose weight on whatever plan then good for you!

Edited to add... Magnolia I started working out now at a Curves like place- this has helped me tighten up a lot!

[This message was edited by Amy on Feb. 09, 2004 at 10:59 AM.]

oskaar

Feb. 9, 2004, 09:16 AM

Magnolia--

Have you tried spinning? It's great for getting into riding shape, but it really streamlines your lower body too. I have a friend at home who is built the same way, and she looks awesome! She also does lots of yoga and stretching.

Oh, and I'm going to email you again...

AWIP

Feb. 9, 2004, 09:27 AM

Please send me the pizza crust recipe ... Pizza is what I really miss.

Ways to get through on the dessert front:
- Dr. Oetker's light chocolate mousse Its actually low carb & always has been. I make it with whipping cream, super yummy.
- Light strawberry jello with whipped cream for a good strawberry mousse. (or whatever flavor)
- Chapman's Sugar free Ice Cream The carb count is lower than most of the new sugar free icecreams popping up & I can't taste a difference. The Dutch Chocolate & Neapolatin are great.

Welcome to the first day I've been able to function without reactine & sudafed in at least a year. The reduced allergies are going to make life at the barn much easier.

Heineken

Feb. 9, 2004, 09:58 AM

Ok, started today...tell me about the caffeine thing...do I REALLY have to give up my coffee??? And what are some other snack ideas???

Amy

Feb. 9, 2004, 10:18 AM

Heineken~ I gave up the diet cokes because I needed to drink more water and I find if I drink them I may put on a little water weight- but plenty of folks don't give up the caffeine and still loose. You are suppose to drink an extra 8 oz of water for every 8 oz of caffeine drink I think. As for snacks I usually have sf jello with whip cream- but have in the past eaten pork rinds, celery with dip, pickles, pickeled okra, thin sliced deli meat, nuts, jerky, cheese...

Work in progress- I'll post it here in case anyone else wants it... not mine, came from another person but it is good!

8 oz cream cheese at room temp
4 lrg eggs at room temp
1/2 c almond flour (bobs red mills-Walmart)
1/4 c grated parmesan
1 tsp minced garlic (fresh)
1 tsp baking powder
1/4 c atkins bake mix
1 tsp salt
Mix all with blender until well mixed. Then add _by hand) 1 c shredded italian cheeses (I use prepackaged shredded). ***line bottom of 11x17 pan with parchement paper- you must do this to help you spread it and for removal. It is sticky so hard to spread- try to get it even. Sprinkle italian seasoning on top and bake in 350F oven for 20-30 min or until brown. SMELLS AWESOME! After it is done, add toppings and broil until done.

Amwrider

Feb. 9, 2004, 10:23 AM

Atkins is the only diet that works for me. I had lost 12 pounds in the first 3 weeks of January then got that flu bug that has been going around my workplace. Put on 5, but have gone back on Atkins again. I cheat from time to time and I cannot completely give up my Diet Pepsi or Diet Coke with lime.

I have to make myself fit for show season! It is rapidly approaching (and in Florida I have to get fit for beach season also!).

I thought I would post a couple of recipes for yummy deserts. This is my mother's cheesecake recipe:

Low Carb Cheesecake

(3) 8 oz packages Cream Cheese
(5) large eggs
1 cup sugar substitute
1 generous Tbsp vanilla
1 tsp Cream of Tartar

Separate the eggs. In a bowl, whip the whites with the cream of tartar until stiff peaks are formed. Set aside.

In a large bowl, mix softened cream cheese with vanilla, egg yolks and sugar substitute. When thoroughly mixed, gently fold in the egg whites.

Pour into greased springform cake pan and bake at 350 degrees for 40-45 minutes. Allow to cool and remove from pan.

I shared this with another horse forum and another member made it and added a crust to the recipe. This is her crust:

amwrider - I made your cheesecake this past Sunday. WOW !!!!! Thanks. I did grind up almonds, added a dash of cinnamon, and a tad bit of brown sugar subsitute, all held together with melted butter for a crust. Won't be the last time that recipe graces my house. (p.s. I took it to a cookout that evening and not one soul knew it was good for them. lol)

Someone on that forum also suggested this desert:

Well, I didn't try the cheesecake recipe, the first one tasted so much like eggs (the atkins one) that I was afraid to try this one. So I took a half cup of heavy cream, whipped it till it was thickening, added an 8 oz block of softened cream cheese, and a little vanilla. Whipped it up, and ate it in a bowl with strawberries. Was AWESOME. I am amazed at how few carbs in heavy cream and in cream cheese, and such a great source of calcium. Heck, strawberries have only like 1.8 net grams per quarter cup.

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He who angers you, controls you.

evenstar

Feb. 9, 2004, 03:52 PM

Thanks for the recipe Amy. I've been missing pizza a little, though I admit I'm surprised I haven't missed pasta (which used to be a staple in my diet). Fortunately, I LOFF veggies. I, too, will fill my plate with lots of veggies and then for protein have baked chicken or fish or a small piece of beef (recalling the serving as a deck of cards in terms of portion size).

I never gave up my morning coffee even when I started the diet. Coffee is a definite food group in my life!

Now I do need to add in more of the exercise component. I am definitely not fit enough to ride my bigger moving mare for any extended period of time! It's not that I have to work to keep her moving, just that the dynamics of staying with her, posting or sitting, are so much more than with my other horse. I've thought about spinning class (we have one at work twice a week that's really cheap) but I think you already have to be somewhat fit before you try it - spinning is really intense!

BybeeGirl

Feb. 9, 2004, 05:48 PM

For those interested in the South Beach Diet recipes etc, you can check out their forums from Prevention.com. Basically nice folks over there that will help you, chastise you, support you, whatever you need at the moment.
http://forums.prevention.com/forum.jsp?forum=40

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dsedler

Feb. 10, 2004, 05:27 AM

I don't know if Donatos Pizza is a nationwide chain, but for those craving pizza, they now make a low carb pizza. It is basically pizza without the crust. Fairly small, but it fills me up. I think it is about 7". Here is the link to Donatos. http://www.donatos.com/

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AWIP

Feb. 11, 2004, 07:05 AM

horse_poor:

Stumbled across a Low carb & PCOS link for you

http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdisplay.php?s=a9244e1efca83cca9231c3b1b61bf52 8&f=46

Everythingbutwings

Feb. 11, 2004, 07:46 AM

Grumble grumble grump. Fairweather:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>no spuds / rice / bread / pasta / sugar thing, you really don't think twice about it <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not about no carbs, it's ALL about NO Snacks! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif (Can you tell ETBW has been doctor directed to "low carb"?)

Suddenly, all the meats and fancy cheeses in my fridge hold no appeal. I am craving an apple. I need crackers for my cheese. Toast for my eggs!

Struggling along here, I made spaghetti squash lasagna and love it. Salad is great but I find myself feeling like a sneak 'cause I grabbed an extra cherry tomato and several slivers of bell pepper. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My blood pressure is high, so is my cholesterol and I am tons overweight so low carb it will be. I WANT to ride my horses, not just take care of them. I want to fit the few riding clothes I have and not give in and buy bigger (can't afford that anyway).

Whoever mentioned the headaches, I noticed that as well. Hmmmm)

Wingsie will be happier. Miss Aimee will ride him and I'll be up on Maddie, something I can't do now due to my weight.

Even the FREAKING horse cookies are high carb!

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

JDufort

Feb. 11, 2004, 07:52 AM

how do you make spaghetti squash lasagna? sounds great.

I has spaghetti squash just last night.

Jeanne
eventing - what doesn't break you makes you strong!

Amy

Feb. 11, 2004, 08:08 AM

ETBW... have you tried any of the LC alternatives? Not sure why you are dr prescribed (weight loss, diebetes etc) but you can eat a lot of things if you eat in moderation! And provided you like really whole grain taste!. My lc bagels are only 1 net carb per 1/2 and I think many of the lc breads are maybe 3 per slice. The italian flatbread I posted is yummy and I think 4 carbs per large slice. The cornbread I make is 3 carbs per slice... if you are not STRICT on 20 carbs (more like 30) and you count net carbs then many of these things are doable. I love Todds low carb pizza- the crust is yummy! The substitutes make the plan a whole lot more life long for me!

maplebrook

Feb. 11, 2004, 08:44 AM

My hubby the guormet made pizza using thinly sliced eggplant in place of crust, and it was YUMMY! SLic the eggplant about1/4" thick. Bake it for a few minutes to get some of the moisture out. Then top with a little tomato sauce with pizza seasonings or fresh tomatoes and anyting else you want. We used onions, pepperoni, mushrooms, parmesan and mozzarella cheese. Then throw it under the broiler for a minute or 2 to bake the top and crisp up the pepperonis.
I was amazed at how good this is!

I've lost about 15 pounds on Atkins for 5 weeks. I can fit into my breeches again that were way too tight a couple months ago. Plus, I'm amazed at how much energy I have. I think too that the extra protein I'm eating is helping me to build muscle where I need it. My legs have gotten stronger, said my trainer in a recent lesson. Cool!

Everythingbutwings

Feb. 11, 2004, 08:51 AM

I'm working out of the groceries I have on hand already. I have tons of fresh veggies, a great variety of cheeses and plenty of chicken, beef, seafood and pork in the freezer.

Unfortunately, my pantry (as Robby Johnson will attest) is crammed with shelves full of lovely carbs.

I think, once the intitial phase passes, I'll do fine. I never realized just how much I'd want that ONE piece of toast at breakfast or the sweeter vegetables. Fruit is difficult, too. I am lusting for the grapefruit I have left in the office fridge!

Spaghetti squash lasagna is easy and delicious. I

n an oven proof dish, pour a little marinara sauce (either make your own or use jarred). Add a layer of cooked squash strands, a layer of mozzarella and parmesan, another layer of sauce, squash and cheeses. Bake in a preheated oven at 325 for about 30 minutes or until bubbling and the cheese is beginning to brown.

You can add a layer of saute'd onion, bell pepper and mushrooms if you want to go wild. Black olives go well, too.

I made the Chicken Cacciatori (http://atkins.com/food/recipes/all/Chicken_Cacciatore.html?) recipe from the Atkins site (also using spaghetti squash) and it was great. I changed the recipe from 2 T of rosemary to 1 and added a tablespoon of thyme, a bay leaf and some sliced mushrooms. I'm having the leftovers from that today for lunch.

I'm doing well with the meal part of the low carb diet. It's just in between when I want to grab a chip or cracker that's hard.

By the way, making a bunch of bacon and sausage patties in advance, then nuking them along with an egg at work is handling the breakfast part fairly well. I was used to having a bagel or instant oatmeal once I arrived at work but now I'm scrambling eggs in a coffee cup in the microwave. No OJ or toast thought. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Feb. 11, 2004, 08:56 AM

Random thoughts about Atkins/low carb diets
I think its wonderful that people can lose weight on this type of eating plan and eliminate refined sugars and processed foods (i.e. soda, cakes, candies, etc.) Maintaining a healthy weight is certainly better for your health and beneficial for riding.

What I find bothersome are my impressions from people on the low carb plan such as carbs are “bad”; they are the root of obesity, or I can’t eat carrots because they have too much sugar. Its just not that simple. Yes, obesity rates have climbed despite the low fat craze of the eighties, (as someone pointed out) but also happening at the same time was an increase in portion sizes, an overall increase in caloric intake, and decreasing physical activity levels. Its not clearly a direct cause and effect of carbohydrates in general.

The boom in developing new low carb products is interestingly similar to the boom of low /no fat products available in the eighties. Instead of helping with weight loss/ maintenance, it probably didn’t help because people thought they could eat as much as they wanted because it was “not fat.” There is some speculation among nutrition experts as to whether the same thing will happen with the low/no carb products.

I guess my point is that calories count no matter where they come from, so get the most nutrition (vitamins, minerals, and other good stuff for your well-being) from whatever the food source.

Amwrider

Feb. 11, 2004, 08:58 AM

The headaches are often from cutting out your caffine. Caffiene dilates the blood vessels in your brain and when you cut your caffine, the vessels constrict a little bit more and it takes a little while to adjust to it.

My solution is to have some caffine in moderation.

I am keeping my fingers crossed and hoping I will be able to fit into my riding Jod pants (the ones I wore back in 1997) by March.

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Sleepy

Feb. 11, 2004, 08:59 AM

Well, I know why it was doctor prescribed. Your blood chemistry will improve within 3 months or so if you stick to it. And the first month is the hardest because that is when you crave things that you may not have eaten or wanted in months.

But cheer up, ETBW. The headaches go away after a couple of weeks and so do the cravings. And your tastebuds WILL change as well. I hope you have discovered Splenda. Way better than sugar. If you don't have a snow cone machine, get one, alog with some sugar free syrup. (Hawaiianice.com) Plus make a shake with heavy cream and Davinci chocolate syrup. Yum, yum.

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Sleepy

Feb. 11, 2004, 09:04 AM

Actually, amwrider, the headaches are the result are carb withdrawal. We all went thru it.

And hp, the glycemic index of a food DOES matter if you are diabetic or insulin resistant. Hence the no carrots rule. Ever thought why horses like carrots so much? It because they are PURE sugar!

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Everythingbutwings

Feb. 11, 2004, 09:08 AM

Spenda is my new best friend! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A cup of Constant Comment tea in place of my morning coffee did nicely.

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FairWeather

Feb. 11, 2004, 09:23 AM

Carrots have a HIGHER glycemic index than table sugar.
Crazy!

ETBW, are you going to join with us?? yay!
I have a plan, that includes losing 20 more pounds (lost 23 already http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). I'll begin eating more carbs and just watch my weight. If I gain more than 5, back on the diet. I need to start working fruit into my diet now.

I have my "cheat" day coming up. I'm looking forward to cinnamin buns http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Feb. 11, 2004, 09:29 AM

Sleepy, I understand they have a high glycemic idex and that affects insulin levels and those who are diabetics or insulin resistant must carefully monitor that. I also know that carrots can be a part of a diabetic’s diet with out having adverse effects.

My point was really about the weight loss issue. I don’t think the consumption of carrots, cantaloupe and grapefruit (whole fruits and veggies) a part in the cause of the obesity epidemic. I feet that extremes (no fat; no carbs, etc.) promoted as part of any diet plan tend to be a disservice.

Everythingbutwings

Feb. 11, 2004, 09:32 AM

How did you know? Fairweather, you are psychic.

An evil co-worker brought hot Pecan Cinnabons in for everyone this morning. Boo! Hiss! Fie upon him!

I just can't come up with a low-carb substitute. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Janet

Feb. 11, 2004, 09:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:
How did you know? Fairweather, you are psychic.

An evil co-worker brought hot Pecan Cinnabons in for everyone this morning. Boo! Hiss! Fie upon him!

I just can't come up with a low-carb substitute. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

_Friendship is Love without his wings_
-Lord Byron<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Pecans and cinnamon in low fat Ricotta (with sugar substitute if desired)?

In fact I think I might try it for the next dessert. [/QUOTE]Did it last night. VERY good.

[This message was edited by Janet on Feb. 13, 2004 at 02:47 PM.]

b328

Feb. 11, 2004, 09:56 AM

hp- I have been doing the south beach diet since January. Phase 1 is very strict and virtually eliminates carbs from your diet, but it is only intended to last 2 weeks. After that, you move into phase 2 and finally, phase 3. I am now in phase 2 where you begin adding back fruit and whole grain sources of carbohydrates. The point of phase 2 is to pay attention to how your body reacts to the carbos. If you can add them back without creating cravings which lead to overeating and weight gain, then you continue on that road. If you notice that a certain food (say bread, for example) causes you to have a craving and want to binge, then you eliminate that food and try another source of carbohydrates. The way I interpret it is that you should be paying attention to what your body tells you, not just blindly eliminating certain foods. Other than sugar, not many foods are totally off limits. I would consider myself successful at adding back whole grains to my diet. I don't pay attention to how many grams of carbohydrates anymore, I pay attention to making sure they are whole grain, I eat a single smallish portion (as opposed to a plateful) and whether they satisfy me. For example, in a typical day now, I eat homemade oatmeal with equal, cinnamon and a small handful of walnuts, cheese stick or almonds mid-morning, lunch is usually a salad and some sort of meat and a piece of fruit, and dinner is usually fish or meat, salad, another veggie, and some days a serving of whole wheat pasta, some whole grain bread, or some other whole grain side. If I don't do a whole grain side at dinner, I may have a pita or wrap at lunch.

In between, I don't limit my snacking. If I am hungry, I eat something. Usually I will go for cheese, peanut butter on celery, dried apricots, grapefruit, apple, etc. I also eat a sweet everyday, usually sugar free jello, low carb ice cream, sugar free pudding, or a couple of sugar free peanut butter cups. At this point, I think I am getting plenty of carbohydrates.

MKM

Feb. 11, 2004, 10:01 AM

I have been low-carbing since September and I am sold.

I did 3 weeks of Atkins induction (really I stuck to about 10ish carbs a day) and lost 10lbs. The first 4-5 days I felt sick to my stomach, had headaches, and was just tired as all get-out. After those days, I got into walking a lot, I have big hills around my house, they kick my butt.

Anyway, I have no idea how many carbs I have been consuming on average since then. I am very aware of carb intake, but don't count. I have egg-beaters, cheese, and turkey bacon for breakfast. Sandwich without bread for lunch (shaved turkey with ranch dressing, swiss cheese on top. Microwave it for 1 minute, it's awesome). I snack on string cheese, celery and ranch dip, and sliced almonds that I cook in the skillet with butter and salt, put in a zip-lock bag and keep in the car. For dinner usually a salad, or stir-fry veggies and chicken in low-carb teriyaki or soy sauce. So good. Redi-whip is my new best friend. Put a bunch of choc and regular redi-whip in a bowl and in the freezer for 10ish minutes and you have little to no-carb "ice cream". Also, I splurge at events. I can't say no to chips and salsa, nor to a good piece of cake. And I am not a nazi about making myself avoid candy all the time, I just try to have it as little as possible. But I OD'd on M&Ms at a super bowl party. I felt guilty, but the worst part was that I couldn't sleep at all b/c my body's not used to all that sugar. If I do have cake or candy or bread one day, I just get really strict for a few days to make up for it, and make myself work out harder the next day. I never gave up caffeine completely, though I do have a lot less.

Anyway, I am anything but committed or consistent, but this diet has been easy for me. I have struggled with my weight since high school and always been a very active athlete, but this is the first thing that's really worked.

I didn't weigh when I started, but I know that I am now 35-40 pounds lighter than the most I've ever weighed in my life, and about the size I was in 8th or 9th grade. Not only that, but I ran 7 miles this morning (going for a 1/2 marathon in April). I do have to sneak in some carbs to give me energy for my long runs once a week. I had a peice of banana bread for breakfast before my runs. Also, I have more veggies than I'm supposed to. But lets be honest, veggies are awesome for you, and who was the last person you read about that was fat from too much broccoli?

Anyway, I encourage low-carb, within certain bounds. Don't over do the fat. Like don't have real bacon every day. But just be aware of all the worthless crap we eat, like white bread, white rice, and potatoes. Pretty much no nutritional value and worthless sugary carbs. Go for brown and green stuff.

Between that, running, and pilates, I feel the best I've felt in a long time. Too bad I don't ride anymore, my shadbelly fits better than it fit when I did ride!

HelloAgain

Feb. 11, 2004, 10:09 AM

Another thing is, I'm not sure where you get the "no snacks" rule -- it's okay to eat more or less constantly as long as you are eating the RIGHT foods -- like sliced up bell peppers or cauliflower... a piece of string cheese... Sugar-Free Jello, etc.

I was pretty fricken grumpy durin my first 2 weeks and yes I would have killed for a pear! Once you get your blood sugars leveled out and the bad habits out of your system, the plan becomes much more moderate and livable. Grapefruit is actually a very good choice among citrus fruits so just hang on and you'll get there!

hp-- the exterme restrictions on fruit are a temporary (2 week) part of the plan. For lifelong eating Atkins promotes fruit AND whole grains as part of healthy eating.

I am still losing weight even though I've added fruits (berries & melon)), nuts, low-carb yogurt and small amounts of high-fiber "Health food store granola" to the basic "meats + veggies" equation. For breakfast I have either a LC yogurt sprinkled with granola or cottage cheese with fruit. When I was on induction I would usualy make celery sticks with cream cheese (I got to where I couldn't even *look* at an egg!) and a cup of "Soy Slender" capuccino flavor soymilk.

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Amy

Feb. 11, 2004, 10:32 AM

Let me second or third that veggies RULE! I used to joke that I got all the veggies I needed from my Big Mac! Now I eat a salad EVERY day! I also eat a minimum of 2-3 cups of cooked veggies. Ok so I don't really eat fruit- but I never did before either. Every once in awhile I will have strawberries or something like that. My mom was on my case about fat and protein levels until I figured out the before and after.

It is all about making good food choices and as in everything you have to find some moderation. No you can't have a side of bacon every morning for breakfast and loose weight. I really limit my cheese to just topping- no more eating slices because of the calories. I have ALWAYS had a weight problem! But at least now I can look at the food and determine the best for me. And yes I occasionally have a bit of something not on the list- but then I move on!

Amwrider

Feb. 11, 2004, 11:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Sleepy:
Actually, amwrider, the headaches are the result are carb withdrawal. We all went thru it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I only got the headaches when I cut the caffine out of the diet, not by cutting the carbs.

I am sure that some people can get them by cutting carbs only, but caffine withdrawal headaches are very common and may be the more likely situation.

This link explains it. I had my info backwards, caffine constricts the vessels and when you cut the caffine the vessels dilate and the increased blood flow gives you headaches.

http://www.headachepainfree.com/caffeine_withdrawal_headaches.htm

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Feb. 11, 2004, 11:41 AM

Right, what I hear b328,MK,amy, etc. describing is a moderate diet and healthful, not the generalized description I so often hear about the low carb diet. And generalization do get you into trouble. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hello Again - I'm not sure if its me you're referring to in regards to "no snacking" as I don't understand that to be a part of the low carb diet. But I'm still bothered by terms like good/bad or "right" because they add unnecessary guilt in selecting foods for a health diet. As most people find it a challenge to consistently maintain a healthy weight, I'd rather evaluate food on nutritional value. I mean, ice cream is good! However, it does contain lots of fat, calories and sugar with little calcium or other good stuff (other than I like it) in return for my well-being. Can I eat and still maintain a healthy weight? Yes, its possible, but it also depends on a lot of other things I do not just the nature of ice cream.

Hmmm. I'm not sure that makes sense. Does it?

Everythingbutwings

Feb. 11, 2004, 12:06 PM

The "no snacking" comment was me. I'm in the initial first two week phase and everything that I want to eat is forbidden.

That said, I have tons of cheeses, pepperoni, celery, cream cheese, and other things that are on the OK list, they just don't appeal to me like a nice wheat thin, Granny Smith apple or Lay's crunch does http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Amy

Feb. 11, 2004, 12:12 PM

The only problem is I can't be trusted around sugar! When I am off sugar I can occasionally have a small amount and it does not bother me. If I could eat whatever in moderation in the first place then I would not need to loose weight! It CALLS to me from the kitchen!

MKM

Feb. 11, 2004, 12:46 PM

hp, yes it is about moderation and being reasonable and a lifestyle, etc.

BUT.... i think the 2 weeks induction, strict, no fruit, etc period was good for me. two weeks breaks habits. it killed my sweet-tooth. it was REALLY hard to say no to sweets flat-out for 2 weeks. i was super hard-core for 2-3 weeks. it was hard, but when you put a limit on the time like that, you can do anything. seriously, i think you can do anything for 2 weeks. so for me, it was pretty much 2-3 weeks of cheese, meat, eggs and some salad. that was it. hard? yes, but it's a short amount of time, and i think it kick-started my metabolism.

HelloAgain

Feb. 11, 2004, 01:56 PM

by "Right" foods I just meant "induction-friendly" foods. Keeping carbs down in the first 2 weeks is quite challenging.

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FairWeather

Feb. 11, 2004, 02:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by hp:
My point was really about the weight loss issue. I don’t think the consumption of carrots, cantaloupe and grapefruit (whole fruits and veggies) a part in the cause of the obesity epidemic. I feet that extremes (no fat; no carbs, etc.) promoted as part of any diet plan tend to be a disservice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course they dont...but if you want to LOSE weight, you need to watch your intake of them, simple as that http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Lemme guess, yer a skinny chic http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Feb. 11, 2004, 06:23 PM

yep that's me, fairweather, skinny chic http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I'm not convinced that the weight loss is due to a reduction in certain fruits and veggies and if I were to bet it would be that the weigt loss is due more a general reduction of calories via processed/ refined sugars. Since all forms of carbs are restricted at the same time, its not clear that one has a greater influence than the other.

But I don't think we'll prove that by talking! As I said before good for you who acheive and maintain a healthy weight. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horse_poor

Feb. 11, 2004, 08:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by A_work_in_progress:
horse_poor:

Stumbled across a Low carb & PCOS link for you

http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdisplay.php?s=a9244e1efca83cca9231c3b1b61bf52 8&f=46<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks!!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif i really am curious if any other riders have pcos simply because on of the side effects besides the whole carb thing is having the oddest shape and its tuff to get breeches and coats to fit http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Janet

Feb. 13, 2004, 11:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Janet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Everythingbutwings:

An evil co-worker brought hot Pecan Cinnabons in for everyone this morning. Boo! Hiss! Fie upon him!

I just can't come up with a low-carb substitute. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Pecans and cinnamon in low fat Ricotta (with sugar substitute if desired)?

In fact I think I might try it for the next dessert. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Did it last night. VERY good.

Janet
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bigdreamer

Feb. 13, 2004, 01:10 PM

i haven't read the whole thread... but i was wondering...

as far as atkins goes, how does a true italian do without their pasta? I plan on workin off "my horses winter conditioning" (as i like to call it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) by running when the weather breaks, but some sort of diet is playing on my mind...

any whole hearted italians on atkins? I mean, me not eatting pasta would be like not giving a horse carrots... while u can do without it... YOU JUST CAN'T!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
thoughts? opinion?

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Feb. 13, 2004, 01:59 PM

Pasta WAS my mainstay -- love it, all varieties.

When I started Atkins, I didn't think I could stick to it. But wonder of wonders, I don't miss pasta.

I'm beginning to think the hype is right -- carbs are an addiction to some of us. Once I went a couple of days, I stopped craving pasta. I still sometimes get cravings for sweets, particularly after I work out, but that's it!!

jumpergal

Feb. 13, 2004, 07:49 PM

I joined Curves (a nationally-franchised women's fitness center) last fall. I started their six-week weight loss program three weeks ago and have lost 13 pounds, 10 pounds of which was fat loss.

I believe the Curves diet is similar to the South Beach Diet. It's a high protein, low carb, low fat diet. I eat 6 times a day and I'm never hungry. And being a confirmed chocoholic, I never get chocolate cravings! I had high cholesterol, and will go get my cholesterol checked again next month to see what my new way of eating (as well as taking Lipitor) has done to my cholesterol levels.

I've never been much for cooking either, but I've been having a lot of fun cooking and trying new recipes.

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CrazyDog

Feb. 14, 2004, 08:21 PM

McDonald's now has what they call Protein Platters in Alberta. They're basically low-carb fast food. The breakfast one was all breakfast meats (sausage, bacon, ham) and two eggs with a few slices of tomato. A bit spendy for what you get and a bit fatty too, but not bad if you're trying to eat low-carb and are in a hurry!

susie09

Feb. 14, 2004, 10:26 PM

bigdreamer, there are several brands of low carb pastas out there. They basically use soy flour blends. Pastalia makes a fettuccini that's pretty good. You won't mistake it for "real" pasta, but with some sauce and cheese it's good. Darrielle brand is just okay and the worst one I tried actually was Atkins. I also like spaghetti squash, which someone else mentioned to satisfy the pasta craving.

LMH

Feb. 15, 2004, 05:56 AM

One thing I think needs to be clarified for those not familiar with Atkins-when folks are refering to 20g of carbs of day it is NET carbs not total carbs...this is very confusing when reading through the thread.

Atkins does not recommend 20g of TOTAL carbs-but carbs less fiber less sugar alcohol.

HUGE difference that needs to be noted.

On a 40/30/30 diet for example at 1800 calories a day you could have about 180 TOTAL carbs.

SO the Atkins diet if you counted total carbs would actually be way higher than 20g.

Just wanted to make sure no one tried for 20 TOTAL carbs at home http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Everythingbutwings

Feb. 19, 2004, 08:38 AM

Toughing it out (and it isn't so tough). http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Today for lunch at work I'm having a plate of tuna salad on romaine lettuce. The tuna is an Ahi steak grilled over mesquite that I made a while back when we were cooking out. I froze it for later and later is now!

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Seven

Feb. 19, 2004, 09:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by FairWeather:
Carrots have a HIGHER glycemic index than table sugar.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh....cite, please?

Table sugar (sucrose): 64 GI
Carrots: 49 GI (and GL is just 3 which is extremely low)

(http://www.diabetesnet.com; see also, http://diabetes.about.com/library/mendosagi/ngilists.htm )

I think it's terrific that some have found a more balanced diet (and in truth, that's all they have done...found a more balanced diet) that works for them, but not all sugars are created equal and we shouldn't label everything that is -ose as evil. Foods (and the chemicals that make them up) are frequently more complex then is let on in these relatively simple diet plans.

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Everythingbutwings

Apr. 15, 2004, 04:27 AM

19 pounds since I started in the end of February! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JDufort

Apr. 15, 2004, 06:32 AM

20 lbs since mid-January, and my SO has lost 30!

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Indie

Apr. 15, 2004, 07:08 AM

I've lost 20 lbs since January doing a combination of low carb and low fat. I've pretty much cut most the simple carbs out of my diet (bread, pasta). I've noticed that my allergies and asthma have stablized, and I barely have any pre-menstrual cramps (thank goodness). It also helps to be able to fit into those white dressage breeches, and I've also been able to improve my riding...sitting the trot and ability to collect the canter better. I'm sure that my horse is breathing a sigh of relieft that his big-butted owner lost some of those lbs!

J. Turner

Apr. 15, 2004, 09:43 AM

I did really well for 2 days ... and I slipped yesterday. Had the work carb cravings ... Dairy Queen medium Butterfingers blizzard w/ extra topping - then a little piece of chocolate cake for dessert.

Gonna try and be good. I'm not being strict anything specific, but trying to eat healthy - fruit, salads. I do eat a sandwich for lunch - sometimes turkey, sometimes tuna (yes, with mayo), but if I'm good at night it's really the only really bad thing I eat all day. I'm trying to think everything in moderation.

The other night I didn't eat dinner, but I ate a small slice of that yummy chocolate cake. I wonderful the calorie tradeoff.

I'm trying to ride more without stirrups. I hope that helps with exercise.

Anyone have the first stage of the South Beach diet written down somewhere to post it?

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HelloAgain

Apr. 15, 2004, 04:55 PM

15 lbs between Dec & Feb. Still keepin' it off. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Janet

Apr. 29, 2004, 07:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I have lost 11 lbs on Atkins since 1/5 and have much, much more energy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have been on the South Beach diet since late Feb, and have lost about 20 lb.

But I certainly don't have "more energy".

I have always been lethargic in the morning, and now, without my breakfast orange juice, I am damn near comatose.

Janet
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bayfilly

Apr. 29, 2004, 07:58 AM

I've been on SBD for about 6 weeks and have lost 10 lbs so far, my goal is about 5 more lbs. I do feel a lot better, no more cravings, and I don't get tired in the afternoon like I used to.

AWIP

Apr. 29, 2004, 08:01 AM

Down about 14 ... not bad since I fell off the carb wagon at easter...

J. Turner

Apr. 29, 2004, 08:17 AM

Anyone have a "South Beach" book they want to lend or sell?

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race_run_jump

Apr. 29, 2004, 09:26 AM

I just got back on - lost abt 20 in Jan and Feb, then gained 6 - now have lost the 6 again and am trying to lose 10 more - made a yummy lunch thing - chicken (either canned or leftover) a spoonful of cream cheese, and curry sauce, or any other seasoning you want - microwave - nice and gooey - looks like catfood - but made me happy! The Carborite bars that look like nutrigrain have a cinnamon one with nice goo in the middle - might satisfy the cinnamon roll craving - esp if you microwave it for 15 sec! Yummy. Their Lemon Crunch bars are good too.

ccoronios

Apr. 29, 2004, 10:11 AM

OK - so I read the first page only....
I've been on LA Weight Loss for the past 18 months. I've lost (and am maintaining) 100 lbs.

I've tried Atkins, Cambridge (when it was available) and many others; my 'other mother' is a Jenny Craig recidivist.

Unlike Weight Watchers, at LAWL, you meet individually with a counsellor (all the ladies in our center are on or have been on the Plan, so they know whereof they speak and ALSO what you're going through). Many people at work are WWers - I foresaw an unpleasant ending if I sat around with a bunch of size 6s whining about needing to lose 5 lbs so they could be size 4s.

LAWL is less a diet, more a plan for healthy eating. Definitely a life-style change (weighing & measuring your foods requires REMEMBERING to do so!). But you can have some of everything (all food groups), so you don't feel totally deprived of your favorites.

I can't say enough about the SENSE of this plan - nor can I stress enough how important I believe its "maintenance" is. If you've been on a diet, chances are it's not only once. With a year of maintenance following meeting your weight loss goal, your new way of eating really does become life-style. I LIKE my new clothes - I will NOT allow myself to fall back into the rut. Besides, if you maintain within 5 lbs. throughout the maintenance year, they refund 50% of the plan price! Serious incentive!

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Inverness

Apr. 29, 2004, 10:39 AM

I lost 23 on Atkins before the holidays, then lapsed and gained 10 back. Now that I'm riding several times a week, I need to look good in breeches so I'm on SBD and liking it.

Steamed veggies for lunch; roast chicken (w/chipotle-lime marinade) and fresh asparagus for dinner, and vanilla ricotta creme for dessert!

I got a boost last night when my chaps went on soooooooooo easily. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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eclipse

Apr. 29, 2004, 12:04 PM

Been doing Weightwatchers since the beginning of Jan, & have so far, lost 30lbs!! I'm now on maintenance & feel great. Even on the weeks where I've totally lost it & pigged out, the most I gained was 1.2lbs. Generally, I'm holding steady. I feel awesome & am now riding better than ever. I've finally learnt how & what to eat, yet never have to deprive myself of anything. In fact, I don't even yen for those icky, sweet things anymore!!

"Don't bother me; I'm living happily ever after!"

imissvixen

Apr. 30, 2004, 02:46 AM

I can't lose weight. It's very disappointing.

Loco

Apr. 30, 2004, 03:14 AM

I could never do low-carb. I love my carbs. Also, my digestive system does not digest all that well. Veggies are hell; they sit there for hours on end.

Perfect is boring.

mizzwade

Apr. 30, 2004, 06:15 AM

Inverness
I'm with you. I got my skinny jeans on last night and I was like, YESS!! You would have thought I won the Stanley Cup or something.

Big Smooch to Billy!

mizzwade

eqnjumperrider

Apr. 30, 2004, 06:28 PM

I read this whole thread, and I was wondering whatever happened to everything in moderation and exercising. It's funny to me how the Mediterranean diet has been shown to be the healthiest (uh pasta, bread, fish etc. With the exception of fish/poultry etc, it's all carbs. Also the olive oil in that diet has shown to be a good fat. Not like the fast food we go out and get. Have you ever looked at the amount of fat in some of the low carb stuff, it's gross. Also how can it be healthy for your heart to eat pepperoni, cheese, cream cheese, and all that crap. I recently went to subway and saw that new atkins, chicken, bacon, ranch wrap that had 40 grams of fat.. That's crazy, doesn't anybody worry about the saturated fat, and their heart. I believe in going to the gym for 90 mins a day, eating well, not too much fat, and I am 5'10 and weigh 125, so it seems to work for me.

AWIP

Apr. 30, 2004, 07:31 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by eqnjumperrider:
I read this whole thread, and I was wondering whatever happened to everything in moderation and exercising. It's funny to me how the Mediterranean diet has been shown to be the healthiest (uh pasta, bread, fish etc. With the exception of fish/poultry etc, it's all carbs. Also the olive oil in that diet has shown to be a good fat. Not like the fast food we go out and get. Have you ever looked at the amount of fat in some of the low carb stuff, it's gross. Also how can it be healthy for your heart to eat pepperoni, cheese, cream cheese, and all that crap. I recently went to subway and saw that new atkins, chicken, bacon, ranch wrap that had 40 grams of fat.. That's crazy, doesn't anybody worry about the saturated fat, and their heart. I believe in going to the gym for 90 mins a day, eating well, not too much fat, and I am 5'10 and weigh 125, so it seems to work for me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey ... at my fittest, I ran 5-8 miles a week, did an hour long weight training session 5x a week & played/drilled in raquetball min 4x a week ... and ate in moderation. I didn't lose weight, I didn't lose inches. On Atkins, with my current (lower) exercise level I lose weight/inches & generally feel much healthier.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I'm glad you've found what works for you, this works for me.

Sannois

May. 1, 2004, 06:22 AM

Well another interesting topic! I did atkins last year, Lost maybe 10 lbs and nevere felt good about eating all that fat. Now I am doing what I think god intended us to do.. Eat sensibly , everthing in moderation. And get off the chair and MOVE!!! LMAO!! I have curbed my computer use alot. But I have at least 25 lbs to go. I also believe that alot of the problem is all the proocessed foods and chemicals! UGH We need to eat from the earth sea and land, not the lab! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

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eqnjumperrider

May. 2, 2004, 11:24 AM

It's so gross all the chemicals they put in foods. Like in most chips and cookies that are packaged (Partially hydrogenated soybean oil is a chemical that goes straight to your brain) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif.

breezymeadow

May. 2, 2004, 11:46 AM

Mr. Breezymeadow & I started Atkins in January 2003. Bought all the books from his first one thru the last one he published prior to his death.

One thing to point out is that the last book he published was far, far different from his initial publications. While his philosophy was still primarily "low carb", it focused on the difference between good & bad carbs, not just carbs in general. It also promoted much, much more ingestion of fruits & vegetables, & definitely did not promote the automatic & unlimited ingestion of sour cream, bacon, & other forms of fat, fat, fat.

So, after nearly a year & a half of Atkins, I can report that Mr. Breezymeadow has lost between 75 & 100 pounds. Yes, that's right folks - between 75 & 100 POUNDS. Granted, he also took up running at the same time which probably had a LOT to do with it. In addition, Mr. B hasn't eaten one shred of any form of meat other than fish or poultry in the last 35 years.

Now I, on the other hand, got stuck somewhere along the line - perhaps because I can't run or really exercise except for some pilates/yoga stretching & walking (not to mention mucking up after 7 horses every day. . .. ). I have lost & kept off 30-35 pounds & would like to take off about 10-20 more ideally.

Mr. B & I pretty much eat the same things (although I admit I am not as disciplined as he is), & I do think exercise does play an important part.

My body is a temple - unfortunately, it's a "fixer-upper".