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FatLilPony
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:11 PM
Wow. (http://horse.classifieds.equine.com/horses/659632.html)

This horse is for sale for 14k. They show a video of him jumping cross rails. I don't understand this. Not one bit. (Please don't kill me if he's yours. )

There. I fixed it. I simply don't understand the pricing for a horse that doesen't look like it should hold that price tag-- or the advertising they've done for it. Why advertise that he's carting kids around 2'6" and "training" (he's 12 y/o) over 3' and show a video of him jumping cross rails?!? And they didn't take the most attractive pictures of him, or the most attractive video IMHO for a 14k horse.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

[This message was edited by FLP on Apr. 28, 2004 at 03:36 PM.]

FatLilPony
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:11 PM
Wow. (http://horse.classifieds.equine.com/horses/659632.html)

This horse is for sale for 14k. They show a video of him jumping cross rails. I don't understand this. Not one bit. (Please don't kill me if he's yours. )

There. I fixed it. I simply don't understand the pricing for a horse that doesen't look like it should hold that price tag-- or the advertising they've done for it. Why advertise that he's carting kids around 2'6" and "training" (he's 12 y/o) over 3' and show a video of him jumping cross rails?!? And they didn't take the most attractive pictures of him, or the most attractive video IMHO for a 14k horse.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

[This message was edited by FLP on Apr. 28, 2004 at 03:36 PM.]

Celtic Witch
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:14 PM
$14k. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

$10 -12k seems like a fair price for him. You don't ride the looks and if he is safe, kind and knows his job, the price is fine IMO.

CS
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:18 PM
Video has him going x-country..
price is 14k..

are you sure you linked the correct one?

That said... he does look to be a good boy going x-cntry, careful over fences.. even when placed at a bad spot. would probably make a good little horse for someone moving up.

[This message was edited by CS on Apr. 27, 2004 at 03:29 PM.]

[This message was edited by CS on Apr. 27, 2004 at 03:30 PM.]

OneonOne
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:19 PM
Ugly is your opinion.

I think a video of him safely carting someone around over crossrails is a great tool for selling him. He looks very safe, and if I was looking for a horse for someone to learn to jump on, I'd be interested in him. Not everyone is looking for the next Working Hunter Champion.

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Horsaholic
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:19 PM
He may not be the most beautiful of all horses but in the video he has a really nice way of going, even strides, looks like he is enjoying himself jumping natural obstacles.. Sometimes these nice quiet dependable horses are worth their wieght in gold. It is not a small pricetag, I agree, but he looks like a very fun dependable horse that a kid could learn alot from IMHO.

KJoy
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:20 PM
Geez. You are being pretty rude with your comments. He is someone's horse - someone who loves him - and you call him ugly on a public forum. If you don't like his price, which isn't THAT high, then don't buy him! We don't need to publicly bash him. I don't know the horse or the owner, but I would be upset if I were the owner - especially since the owner has never asked for comments...

FatLilPony
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:21 PM
oh. I donno, I would never pay 12k for a horse that "knows his job" and dosen't look good while doing it.

You can find an awful lot of quiet, sound horses that will do the same for you for under 7k. Hopefully well under that. I can't even imagine getting more thank 8k for my guy, and he's proven, and does his job well--simply because he's not of the right 'breeding' or something of that sort.

If this is really what people are getting for what looks like an average horse, I'd better bump up the worth of mine, I'll never be able to replace himhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I was just dumbfounded by it, I've never seen anything like ithttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

OneonOne
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FLP:
I was just dumbfounded by it, I've never seen anything like it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's still not your place to call him ugly on a public forum where his owners might read your post.

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Giddy-up
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:26 PM
Ok, in my area that's what horses I have seen similar to him or with similar training are being priced for sale (or higher even). I have to say he looks safe enough (although I didn't care for the 1/2 swap in front of the 1st jump, but there may have been many reasons it happened), seems pleasant, and has possibility to move up. But that's JMHO. Everybody horse shops differently. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

--The video was in a x-country setting, but the jumps were X's mostly.

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411
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:26 PM
I'll take a plain packer any day over a flashy but unpredictable mount. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif BTW - I don't think this horse is ugly at all -- I don't think that's the most flattering picture of him with his ears back. He sounds like a good, versatile kind of guy.

I hope whoever owns him doesn't frequent COTH. I'd feel terrible if someone posted my horse as an example of an ugly and overpriced horse. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

FatLilPony
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:30 PM
oneonone: I DELETED IT.

411: I'm saying that you should be able to get a decent preforming horse that is a packer for that price. Maybe horses in general are simply overpriced these days.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Anyplace Farm
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:31 PM
I'm seeing your point but to me, yes, he looks really, really safe, very kind and forgiving and has a nice, rhythmic canter.

Unlike the hunters, they don't have to be pretty in eventing. I think he's worth every penny too.

And I happen to have a penchant for the 'ugly' ones. Don't know what it is but I wanna take them all home! But this guy doesn't look 'ugly'. He just isn't smiling in this pic.

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Tiramit
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:32 PM
Well, that IS a kid riding him, and he seems like a safe, sane jumper. If that's the case, and he's competitive locally at the 3' level (which he would be in my area), then that's not an unrealistic price. I looked at plenty recently that were NOT kid safe, NOT good jumpers, and the price tag was much higher.

And he isn't ugly, just a sweet looking TB.

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Nickelodian
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:39 PM
My favorite part is the cross canter of the first jump.

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pegasus209
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:44 PM
Gee,
i think he's kind of cute, and I like his relaxed confident manner. The price is a bit high for me, but as far as his looks- I'm a 'Pretty is as pretty does' type person. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Merry
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:52 PM
Well, I just had to look at the photo and watch the video because I was dying to see this butt-ugly horse. But you know what? I think tidied up a bit, without the breast collar and posed better, he'd be a rather attractive, Joe Chestnut sort of guy. I rather liked the way he cantered around that open cross country course.

I have to say, out here at least, $15,000 buys you a serviceably sound, reasonably attractive 2'6" county circuit hunter. So I don't find the price outrageous.

SED
Apr. 27, 2004, 12:59 PM
What I saw in the picture and the video was a solid, safe horse with an even pace, had some lead changes, and who could do some hunters and, apprarently, cross-country.

I'm a Mom -- would I pay $12K (let's be real, I'm sure its negotiable down to no more than $10K) for such a horse? You bet!

Good luck to them.

RegentLion
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:02 PM
Being from an area where spending $5,000 is really "the limit", of course I find this guy "overpriced..."

HOWEVER, if I put myself in a place where it is fairly common to pay $10-$15k.... I can definately see it.

I can tell you for sure that if they wanted to sell this horse in our area, he'd be right at the top of the price range, (probably around $8 or $9k), and then I'd encourage people to snap him up. He's a cute cute guy, seems to be confident in his job doing some X-rails in an open field... His attitude in the openness of the area makes me like him.

Once again I'm not saying that he's NOT worth his price tag (i think that in the right market he is), but in our area, you couldn't sell ANYTHING for $15k, simply because we just don't have the cash.

I'm glad I saw this thread after the "ugly" comment was removed. I think he's super cute, and if the kids in my area had steady, well behaved guys like him, everyone would be happier.

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Hasty
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:02 PM
my goodness....didn't you mother ever tell you if you don't have something nice to say, DON'T say anything at all....

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scrat
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:14 PM
There is a horse at my old barn (I'm sure Hasty can guess what horse!) who looks kinda like that. Skinny neck, a little out of proportion! But he is the absolute sweetest guy to takes care of his novice rider - lopes her around the hunter ring at 2"9'.

And ya know what, he wins at the shows because he is a safe, suitable mount for beginner and intermediate rider divisions.

His conformation looks like it belong to about 3 different horses, but I would buy one like him in a heartbeat!

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trailblazer
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:15 PM
Gosh, I've seen newborn foals sell for more than this horse. THAT is ridiculous!

For the right person, this one may be a bargain. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Flashy Gray
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:17 PM
I liked his nice rythmic canter as well. Looked like a good canter to learn on, as far as I'm concerned.

Horse prices are just different in different parts of the country. Plus they're starting to go up a bit again from what I can tell. Who am I to question the market for this horse?

If the price is too high, methinks the sellers will figure that out right quick http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif without having to come over here to get trounced on AND told that their horse is ugly.

OakesBrae
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:26 PM
I don't think he's horrible looking - looks like a lot of the horses that I used to see on the circuit - a little upside-down and skinny-necked yea, but he looks like a pretty typical OTTB to me. I think it also may be a bad picture.

He does look safe, honest, and comfortable. I will say that for him. I have seen higher prices for horses that are built way worse than he - and not nearly as nicely going.

JUST RIDE!

Hasty
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scrat:
There is a horse at my old barn (I'm sure Hasty can guess what horse!) who looks kinda like that. Skinny neck, a little out of proportion! But he is the absolute sweetest guy to takes care of his novice rider - lopes her around the hunter ring at 2"9'.

And ya know what, he wins at the shows because he is a safe, suitable mount for beginner and intermediate rider divisions.

His conformation looks like it belong to about 3 different horses, but I would buy one like him in a heartbeat!

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Scrat-

I do know who you are talking about and he definately does remind me of that horse. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

I just watched the video...which I had not done before, and that horse looks sweet as can be. It certainly was packing that kid around over the jumps...there is aboslutely no need to be so critical!

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SoNotaDQ
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:33 PM
I have seen horses in horrible condition with no background go for more than that. Why? I don't know. I don't see anything about this one that makes me want to vomit though. Looks like a solid citizen. I don't find him ugly either.

Invested1
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:39 PM
Coming from someone who was just horse-shopping for 3 something months, I'll tell you, he looks at Least as good as some of the horses I saw for sale in this area. I think he's cute! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I don't know about prices in Arkansas, but I bet the sellers could get that price in the Virginia area.....

Flash44
Apr. 27, 2004, 01:48 PM
I wouldn't be embarassed to have that horse in my barn or take him to a show. He looks like fun.

I second the Mom thing, safe and sound are the most important things when looking for a mount for your kid. And I'd open up my wallet for it.

Since horse trading usually involves negotiation, I'd expect a horse to be slightly overpriced to allow for a little leeway with the seller as well as anything minor that could come up in the vetting.

jerrys
Apr. 27, 2004, 02:19 PM
I think that he looks great- the picture of him over fences looks great- poitive attitude, good knees, a real packer- definatly worth his price tag! FLP- you obviously do not know enough about what to look for in a horse to write such a post. It is not your place to criticize this animal or his owners- keep your opinions to yourself. This fourm is not meant to be a place to make uneducated, unfair, and down right rude remarks.

nycjumper
Apr. 27, 2004, 02:31 PM
Wow - is it ridiculous that I thought that was a really good price http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
He looks good to me, safe & sane & that's all that mattershttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

eclipse
Apr. 27, 2004, 02:33 PM
And people wonder why our sport has a rep for being snobby!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif My first thought when I watched the round was, what a sweet, rythmic, safe horse. My second thought was, he's cute, just needs to be tidied up a bit. Definatly worth what they are asking, especially if he vets clean too!
I hope the child that owns/rides this horse, does not see the original post...

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2ndyrgal
Apr. 27, 2004, 02:41 PM
I viewed your public profile with your birthdate on it. Here's what you do darling, post a picture of your pretty horsey and tell us all what your mommie and daddie paid for it, and while you're at it, tell us how much you are contributing toward his upkeep while you are a professional student. If you think something is overpriced, simply don't buy it. Don't be so common.

horse_poor
Apr. 27, 2004, 05:49 PM
wow what a snotty thing to say

i think hes cute http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif and i am sure he is worth his weight in gold--he just packed that kid around that OPEN course like it was a walk in the park.....and for the record, they werent all cross rails.there was a wall they jumped on the last jump

hell, my 13 yo reformed greenie prolly couldnt look as good as this guy http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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IfWishesWereHorses
Apr. 27, 2004, 06:44 PM
Ditto what everyone else has said. I thought the link must be wrong, because personally I don't see anything wrong here.

Nice genuine horse, NOT ugly, cute, safe jumper.

You are doing nothing to quell the hunter princess stereotype.....

How about removing the link in case the actual owner of the horse sees their beloved friend slagged off on an open forum.

Box-of-Rox
Apr. 27, 2004, 07:11 PM
i actually really like him. I mean, ok, this is nasty, but the whole thread is nasty, so whatever: the rider on him is not that great at all. bad leg, perching, really novice hands, no eye, and the horse just keeps chugging along. if i had had that, instead of the string of overpriced, too-much-horse-for-me-at-that-point, pseudo-green, complicated animals i had when i was a novice rider, i'd probably be much more confient and a better rider. and those leadchangeless stoppers (very pretty leadchangeless stoppers, though) cost way more than 12K.

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ProzacPuppy
Apr. 27, 2004, 07:21 PM
I think he's cute (but I like the OTTB skinny neck and all look). I'm actually impressed with how rhythmic his canter is and in the still jumping photo you have to admit that while he is loose below, his knees are very even. It also said that he has been trained in dressage and has only been jumping small stuff and, it appears, mostly cross-country where style doesn't earn you points. Perhaps he'd use himself better with bigger fences too.

And they say he trail rides, trailers etc well. Sounds like a nice little horse at a not unreasonable price.

Just2StayOn
Apr. 27, 2004, 07:26 PM
Fine horse...I think he's cute...everyone has their own opinion and are entitled to it...I don't know why things should get so rude! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

But in the spirit of things-2ndyrgal- I checked YOUR profile and it's probably been a century since you've been in school so please don't knock on "professional students".

I paid for my OWN horse with my OWN money and support him with MY TWO JOBS. I work and go to school full time and this is my 6th year in college. I am PROUDLY working towards a 2nd degree and my PhD and can safely say that unlike you, I won't need to defend on a husband to take care of me and my horses.

That said, he's still a cute horse in my opinion- I just wouldn't pay that much b/c I've never seen that much money in my name before http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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hoodoo
Apr. 27, 2004, 07:30 PM
HE's a 12 YEAR OLD TB for god's sake. I would pay 4K TOPS.

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Equine Adhesive
Apr. 27, 2004, 07:34 PM
LOL you guys are too much. I bet if she had posted with the same link but said, "I really like this fellow for me, what do you think?" you would have ripped him apart. Controversy makes for better reading. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

FatLilPony
Apr. 27, 2004, 09:43 PM
Hoodoo and Equine_adhesive:

Thanks

I was just being honest.

But really, I wouldn't pay close to that much for that horse.

And to everyone saying I'm snobby: I paid $500 for my Children's Hunter, I'm not rich, I don't hold anything against backyard horses; I simply DON'T think this horse is worth anywhere NEAR his pricetag. NOT snobby. Calm down, kidshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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FatLilPony
Apr. 27, 2004, 09:48 PM
2ndyrgal:

Don't be so common yourself. You ASSUME I'm rich, and my parents pay for everything. Assumptions make fools. I paid for my own horse. I've paid for his board since I boughrt him. He's actually on lease right now because I'm going through some hard times in college. I bought him off of the profit I made from my first horse (A QH pony). At $500. Look, I've trained myself since I was 14, don't call me spoiled, don't call me snotty. Maybe I am. But I've earned whatever I have. Don't assume anything about me. I haven't had half the advantages most have.

and here's your picture:

http://www.geocities.com/fatlilpony/showpics.html

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Linus
Apr. 27, 2004, 10:14 PM
Somebody just got a whole lotta free advertising.

Bet this horse sells real quick, now.

Cute guy!

horsewriter
Apr. 27, 2004, 10:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Box-of-Rox:
i actually really like him. I mean, ok, this is nasty, but the whole thread is nasty, so whatever:
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Couldn't agree more about this thread being nasty. Every time I read this forum I get upset at the number of personal attacks people make on others. I read my forum rules, did you? Here's a refresher in case some of you need it:

"Rule #1: Be nice, be respectful, be polite.

Disagreement and discussion are fine; flaming and personal attacks are not.

While the moderators prefer to take a somewhat "hands off" approach and allow posters to talk out their differences, we will edit or delete any posts that we feel are excessively nasty or excessively personal. When threads become overly nasty, we will issue a warning; if that warning is not followed, the thread will be closed."

I am sure this will result in many personal attacks on me, but I had to say something for my own peace of mind. Thanks for listening.

JenEM
Apr. 27, 2004, 10:48 PM
I didn't watch the video (dialup connection http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), but from the pictures and descriptions, I think this guy would be a great, safe first horse for a kid. Sounds like a good all-around, Pony Club type horse to me. Given what I know has been bought/sold for similar prices, this seems like a good deal, provided he vets.

Kareen
Apr. 28, 2004, 03:53 AM
I like him. He looks superhonest and reliable. Find the pricetag adequate. If you find him overpriced it is so easy... just don't buy him hehe. He anyway should be owned by someone who appreciates him so FLP you for sure don't qualify to begin with so just don't worry http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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dogchushu
Apr. 28, 2004, 04:42 AM
equine_adhesive,

If someone had posted this same link and said "I'm thinking of buying this horse what do you think" I would gather you'd actually get many of the same comments. People would ask what the poster wanted the horse for, comment that he seems to be a good solid, citizen for a novice or timid rider, and point out the faults they see.

Likewise, depending on the area, some people may have said "I wouldn't pay $12k for him though, you should probably offer more like $8k" (or whatever, I'm making up the numbers).

But pointing out faults in a purchase consideration or discussing a fair offering price is more in the spirit of "know what you're getting into"--not just ripping on some horse which is what I saw here.

I would consider this horse if I were buying. I may make an offer for less than the asking price (probably based a bit on age and anything that shows up in the vetting--if anything does). To me, he looks safe and fun. Safe and fun are big things to me! As a nervous rider with all the noivce faults Box-of-Rox pointed out, I need a horse that's going to be patient enough to put up with me and give me confidence. I would absolutely pay for that.



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Horseshowaddict
Apr. 28, 2004, 04:59 AM
hoodoo: Hey man, I am riding a 12 year old OTTB, and he is the soundest, smoothest, and over all pretty cool horse! And I don't lie when I say he is sound (knocks on head LOL). He could throw an front shoe and you wouldnt know it even if you were riding him. He is also very attractive and sweet guy in general, and I beleive that he is going to be doing the 3' hunters for a good long while. Definatly worth more that what you said a 12 year old tb was in your previous post. Ive seen lame warmbloods too. (not putting down warmbloods....any good horse is a good breed). Sheesh don't put the cute horse down just cause he is a little older, and because of what breed he is.

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FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 05:17 AM
It's funny. When I origionally posted this thread it was a) because they did some really sh*$$y advertising for people that are expecting to get 14k for a horse that would b) take some convincing to get anyone to pay that price.

and yeah, I don't think he's all that good looking. Maybe its the fact taht he dosen't look like he's in very good shape in that VERY attractive "I'm going to stand here and look bored with my ears back" picture. I'd think they'd shine him up a bit for sale pictures. The horse could look a lot nicer IMO.

And really. Maybe this post IS snotty. I am not-- I don't know why I didn't realize how ugly this would turn. Ever since.... everyone's been a lot more uptight and nasty. Which is why I took a hiatus last year...for the whole year.

Realizing that to the horse's owner this post itself IS nasty, I have to be fair. In the heat of all the excitment I probably approached this post wrong in the first place. But it does make me wonder, with the edited topic now standing not-so-offensive, why all the personal attacks and rude comments?

Who has the quote "The horse world: 2 people, 3 opinions." or something of the sort. Methinks that applieshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Pendeen
Apr. 28, 2004, 05:30 AM
Ditto bekkaRAE.

I also have a 12-year-old TB. He's been to national finals twice and is always top three in the adult medal standings at year-end. He's sound, safe, sane and FUN. He's amateur-proof AND will plonk around with the short stirrup kids as primo babysitter of the universe.

If anyone offered me $4K to LEASE my horse I would be insulted. Insulted enough to bee-atch slap the offending party too.

Back to the original topic. I think the horse in the ad is a doll. He has a great canter, jumps OK without being spectacular (and you want it a little flat for a novice so they don't get rocket launched), looks to have a nice soft mouth and easy-going attitude. In short, he looks like a perfect novice hunter that can also go to an event and have fun.

Those types are worth their weight in gold. I don't know about Arkansas but up here in the poor and lowly Great White North a good dependable beginner/modified A hunter guy like that would go for $12K (or about $18K CDN). Or quite likely it would be owned by a pro and leased out to students for $8K a year. That's a profitable enterprise IMO.

Charisma
Apr. 28, 2004, 05:41 AM
Just a pet peeve of mine....
when people list their horses as 1st to 2nd level dressage or "trained" to 1st or 2nd level. It is a little obvious that this horse isn't quite to training level yet....just look at his muscles, he is upside down!

Albion
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:21 AM
FLP, I don't know if I'd choose a *horse* to write an essay of that nature about. Write about overpriced Starbucks lattes or something - something where we can all pretty much agree ingredients & labor don't equal cost. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Horse prices aren't so cut and dry.

Really - a horse is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Prices vary from area of the country, discipline, who you know, etc. It all depends on what the purchaser deems to be the most important qualities for their future mount. For a parent with a timid child, I can see paying $14K for the perfect, confidence-boosting packer - even if the horse wasn't nicely presented or pretty, as long as the horse was just about perfect for their needs.

And - in many areas - $14K is a pretty 'cheap' horse (not that I will ever be able to afford one that costs more than that! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif). In some areas, it's an expensive one. You know. It's just personal opinion/experience & boils down to 'the horse is worth that much if someone is willing to pay that much.'

'O lente, lente currite noctis equi' - Ovid

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:24 AM
*sigh*

forget it. I'm just laying this topic to rest now. Its gotten me into more trouble with people I don't even know due to my absence last year than...than my troll of a little sister did when I first came on these boards.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Albion
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:30 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I didn't mean that as a flame, so I hope you didn't take it as one - but really - horse prices ARE really just about how much someone is willing to pay for a horse.

You can think your horse is worth $100K, and maybe it is to you, and maybe someone's appraised the horse at $100K, and similar horses have sold for $100K, but if no one is willing to pay that, well - it's not worth $100K to the market. And vice versa. That's all I was trying to say.

'O lente, lente currite noctis equi' - Ovid

FairWeather
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:31 AM
It doesnt matter if people "know" you or not, it matters that your post was 1)rude and 1)way off base.

I agree with the rest of the folks. Cute, steady packer. I wouldnt kick him outta my barn.

War Admiral
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Somebody just got a whole lotta free advertising.
Bet this horse sells real quick, now.
Cute guy!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL Linus, that's exactly what I was thinking. That's a pretty reasonably-priced horse in my area. I'd certainly take him, if I had it...

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Castlegate
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:42 AM
I think he would make a very nice three day horse.....and I think from the video he would probably sell in our area in that price range...heck I would pay that just to have a horse that looks so easy to ride!

dropitlikeitshot
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:44 AM
I can think of a ton of places where that horse would sell for that price. I've sold horses that same age that same level for more than that. That's a completely reasonable price, and I'm sure it's comparable to their area.

And to all you TB haters (wink wink Hoodoo my pal, i still luv ya), that guy is steady as a rock, and packed his kid around those fences. TB's have hearts of gold. It IS possible to get a crap WB you know! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Catalina
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:47 AM
I don't see anything wrong with that guy. He looks like a good solid citizen.

Now, if you want to see a picture of an ugly horse:

NMS
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:53 AM
I would love for someone here to buy either of these "ugly" horses and report back here in 3 months with new photos.

FYI I love the horse that generated this post. He looks kind, careful and a great ride. With some more advanced training I think he could be spectacular.

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FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 07:56 AM
Fairweather:

How is my original post rude?

While trying to defend my intentions, I may have been rude-- but it is simply stating that this horse doesn't look like he's "worth his weight in gold".

Wow. Things have changed. I'm not generally rude. Sorry if me being blunt offended all of your flimsy little hearts. I'm glad you all feel for this horse so deeply. Good luck with him--for whoever decides to buy him. Or you could pay the extra 1k to get a horse that is a lot nicer looking, a proven lesson horse/packer, and WINNER, trustworthy, etc and pay...oh...half that price.

I was surprised because in MY area horses that carry that pricetag are twice what that horse is...you know...the WHOLE package. Oh, and just FYI...he lives in Arkansas. For those of you talking about location location location!

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Boston Chicken
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FLP:
How is my original post rude?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummmm - because you pick a seemingly kind, athletic and all around packer, who maybe needs a little more elbow grease to get his coat nice and camera ready, and paste a link on a board that THOUSANDS of people read daily (including perhaps the owner) and declare it RIDICULOUS that the horse could be worth 12k or 14k - or whatever. This is beyond rude IMHO, it's down right nasty. Nasty and pointless.

Albion
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:14 AM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Right - THAT was a rude post, FLP.

There are plenty of horses in MY area (near horse country, VA) that go for pricetags like that - IF they are kind, IF they can pack a kid around a course of jumps, IF they can safely hack out, and so on. It can look like a CART HORSE, as as long as it is sound, sane, safe, and a confidence booster, people WILL pay that much for *gasp* a horse that doesn't look like a million bucks. Maybe there are no timid junior riders in your area, or maybe your horsey set really only cares about looks & movement - things that DON'T really matter for lower level, child-safe mounts. My first pony was some sort of grade walking horse, and would've been ugly as sin - big head, short neck, a bit cow hocked, goose rumped, etc - thankfully, he was a pinto, so that made him kind of cute. He also wasn't the world's greatest mover - by a long shot. But guess what? Nearly a decade later, he is STILL with the people we sold him to, because he is STILL worth his weight in gold - because he was a fun pony (even as a greenie), safe, a fantastic jumper, and he is STILL Mr. Steady Eddie, teaching little girls how to ride. I would much rather have a plain-looking, plain moving, totally kid-safe, FUN, SOUND horse than a pretty horse who was hotter - or required more maintenence, or whatever. To some parents & trainers, a horse who will safely tote around children, with a minimum of supplements, injections, time off for soundness issues, etc. IS worth $14K.

Once again - the horse may not be worth $14K to you, but if someone is willing to pay that price, then it is worth $14K to the market. THAT'S what matters in selling horses. Will people pay your asking price. Period. That's it.

'O lente, lente currite noctis equi' - Ovid

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:14 AM
Read the original post.

I said that the presentation of the horse, and the video chosen was ridiculous. You don't state that a horse is packing kids around 2'6" courses and show a video of him jumping cross rails. And yeah, I said I didn't think he was attractive. I don't.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Albion:
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Right - THAT was a rude post, FLP.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree that it was a rude post. I haven't read four pages of them personally attacking me or anything.

I bought my first pony for 1k at 13 y/o. I sold him to a VERY happy 7 year old girl and her parents later on for 1,500. Had I known that because he was a decent looking large pony, and placed at the shows, was completley safe, sound and sane-- that I could rake in 14k for him, I would have.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

dogchushu
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:23 AM
FLP,

My "flimsy little heart" couldn't care less what you think about this horse. However, your post (even in it's revised form)is rude.

No one asked you what you thought of this horse. You didn't present this as "here's a horse I'm thinking of--what do you think?" You just found an ad and went and posted "RIDICULOUS."

If your opinion isn't asked for--don't give it, and certainly don't share your unsolicited, negative opinion with the world! I saw nothing in your post to indicate that you need to form an opinion of this horse, much less share it.

Why this ad or this horse bothers you so very much, I have no idea. Is there some history no one knows about? Honestly, when I clicked on the link I expected to see something really, really bad!



"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

Nickelodian
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:24 AM
FWIW, I think the ad and the video are pretty awful, but there are a bunch of awful ads out there in this world.

If you are presenting a horse to sell, you should present him/her in its best light. Not cross cantering crossrail fences. I believe this is the point FLP was trying to make. Perhaps she did come across as snotty, but she edited her post and apologized. Much more than I can say for other posts on this board that were much ruder.

I also want to point out the fact that if you offer a horse up for sale on a public website, you are opening yourself up for chit chat about said horse on the interenet...ANYWHERE.

If you're not proud of what you present you shouldn't advertise it, for pictures on the 'net are "open for season" to anyone.

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SquishTheBunny
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:26 AM
Im a bit of FLP's side. I think the horse is very cute and looks nice and safe for a beginner rider. However, TB, 12 years old, with showing "2'6" doesnt generally grab over $10k in MOST areas (there are some where a 3 legged horse will go for 10k!). If the horse was 8 or younger I could see it selling closer to $10 - $12k, but for most people it would be a lot cheaper to get a kind OTTB for $2k, put 3 months pro training on it, and you would still be under $4k. I DO like this horse, but I think the price is a little high for who they are marketing to.

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FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nickelodian:
FWIW, I think the ad and the video are pretty awful, but there are a bunch of awful ads out there in this world.

If you are presenting a horse to sell, you should present him/her in its best light. Not cross cantering crossrail fences. I believe this is the point FLP was trying to make. Perhaps she did come across as snotty, but she edited her post and apologized. Much more than I can say for other posts on this board that were much ruder.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, that's about right. I think because in my original post I made the "ugly" comment, (because I don't think the horse is attractive at all.) no one is seeing past that. I realize that now I've been rude to the people on this board, and apparently been rude to whoever owns this horse--and the horse himself, but geez. How much personal bashing can you take before you start dishing out a little. Talk about getting flamed.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Boston Chicken
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FLP:
Read the original post.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure most people would want to considering the absolute hysteria that's ensued, but thankfully, you've tamed it with edits.

By the way, I think these boards are difficult because it's so "real time." Bad judgement and some nastiness is pretty easy since we're all moving so fast, but I like to think that MOST people use COTH to share information, ask questions and when appropriate, lend support, not to "take shots" at perfectly lovely animals. Your point was probably to point out the regional differences in pricing from your perspective, and I think we've established that this was probably not the best way to go about making that point. Anyway, I'll remove myself from this now but maybe going forward you (and the rest of us, including me) will think for a minute before we post so that we can avoid downward spirals like this and focus on the really fun things - like equitation critiques (kidding).

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:34 AM
gillian:

I edited the post because everyone freaked out. Not to make myself look completley innocent. Not to try and cover anything up. I tried explaining myself,and explaining that I presented this all wrong-- but I guess everyone is reading everyone else's posts, getting fired up and not thinking. Kind of like I did on my last couple of replieshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Boston Chicken
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:38 AM
I'm glad you edited it. I would have too. I think I was just trying to say that I understand how easy it is to use occasional bad judgement on these boards - I am guilty too at times. I'm sure things will quiet down soon - if I could just stop responding http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ketch
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:38 AM
Honestly? I want him. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Looks like a blast, and would be a really fun horse to have around to school on at home. I think he's adorable, and wouldn't think twice about paying that price for him. Wish I had room. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rocky
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SquishTheBunny:

but for most people it would be a lot cheaper to get a kind OTTB for $2k, put 3 months pro training on it, and you would still be under $4k. I DO like this horse, but I think the price is a little high for who they are marketing to.

!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find it hard to believe that an OTTB with 3 months pro training would be safe and appropriate to cart a novice kid around an outdoor course....JMHO but it takes several years for the typical OTTB to be ready for that job

Sorry, but in my book, trying to make an OTTB do that job with 3 months training, is a recipe for disaster...

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Bea
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:40 AM
oh dear FLP, you did get more than you bargained for, didn't you?

I for one think that no matter how your original post might have come off, that could have been called to your attention in a gentler way. And I feel you did apologize. And I hope you won't decide to go back into hiatus.

Maybe I say this because according to your profile I'm twenty years older than you are and I feel you young'uns should be allowed to make mistakes. I know I still do.

We learn more from our mistakes than we do from our successes, as the saying goes. And even more from the mistakes that are constructively corrected . . .

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FLP:
Fairweather:

How is my original post rude?

While trying to defend my intentions...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said NOTHING rude to anyone on these boards until the last post on the third page. Which leads me to belive that all of my apologizing and my explaining wasn't even read. There are personal attacks littered all throughout this thread-- what I don't understand is why no one just took my post on page 2 seriously. You know-- the one where I admitted I made a mistake at the approach of this topic?

Really, if I was being mean in my original post, talking about a horse whose owner I don't know, many of you have been worse. I especially loved this one:

" posted Apr. 27, 2004 05:41 PM
I viewed your public profile with your birthdate on it. Here's what you do darling, post a picture of your pretty horsey and tell us all what your mommie and daddie paid for it, and while you're at it, tell us how much you are contributing toward his upkeep while you are a professional student. If you think something is overpriced, simply don't buy it. Don't be so common"

That was cute. You know, since she's completley off target with my horse life.

I donno. Sorry to offend anyone I did with this original post. Really, it wasn't my intention-- I'm not suicidal, guyshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Read what Nickalodian said on this page. She explained my intentions perfectly in a way I could not. And now I really can't, because people are so angry about the ugly horse commenthttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Can I not say oops?http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

PiedPiper
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:49 AM
I agree with FLP. Her post may not have been the most tactful but the response she has gotten have been completely nasty. You put a horse up for sale, especially on the internet, you better be able to stand the criticism. Everyone has a right to their opinion. I don't think that horse is worth 14K but I don't think half the horses are worth what they sell for. But again, that is their asking price, what they get is what the horse is worth. I am also not impressed with the ad and its presentation.

Really you guys, the same rules apply, if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. You could have just ignored this thread and not posted adn then it would have died. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Seriously people, who peed in your Cheerios?

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Moesha
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:51 AM
The posts are rude and so lacking in anything logical. Why even post this? I am sure there are thousands of much more "poorly" done adds out there..this one seems just fine

The horse has a lovely even canter flows up to the jumps with a very passive rider, who followed his wonderful rhythym well, not interfering. He is adorable, and his price is fair.


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Natty Dread
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:53 AM
I think he is priced rather cheaply from the looks of him. He may not win prizes at an "A" show but he certainly knows his job. H even gets his leads perfectly on an obviously beginners type even course.

What a sweetheart...if someone doesn't snatch him up at this price I would be surprised.

He seems like you could do just about anything you wanted with him. Great first horse for a child, great first horse for showing mileage, pony club, eventing...heck even polo.

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Seriously people, who peed in your Cheerios?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alright, not cool. I'm in the computer lab where we're all working on our final essays and I just burst out laughing. Nasty looks...nasty lookshttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

OneonOne
Apr. 28, 2004, 08:57 AM
FLP, thank you for removing the "ugly" comment. That was my real beef with your original post. If I had been the owner of that horse (who I think is quite adorable) I would have been devastated if I stumbled on this thread. Thank you for correcting that.

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caffeinated
Apr. 28, 2004, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FLP:
How is my original post rude?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because in general it's just a very bad idea to pick random horses off the net and say bad things about them. I know people do it, and I know people here pick bad ads all the time to critique, but seriously, offerring an unsolicited negative opinion about a stranger is pretty rude, even if it's phrased "well".

I remember a similar thread here, mocking an advertisement, only for the owner of the horse to show up and be really hurt by it.

Whether or not the video is actually bad, or the horse isn't presented well- how is that your problem? Why did it merit a post on a board read by people all over the nation? That's just my opinion- I skipped the 2nd page of the thread so I don't know, but really, picking random ads to make fun of isn't the best... internet etiquette in the world and has the potential to really upset people... just my two cents, dunno why I'm posting here...

back to the woodwork now...

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Kels
Apr. 28, 2004, 09:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2ndyrgal:
I viewed your public profile with your birthdate on it. Here's what you do darling, post a picture of your pretty horsey and tell us all what your mommie and daddie paid for it, and while you're at it, tell us how much you are contributing toward his upkeep while you are a professional student. If you think something is overpriced, simply don't buy it. Don't be so common.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow. Just because someone is 18, 19, or 20 doesn't mean that "mommie and daddie" pay for everything. Believe me, it doesn't. I just had to say this, because my parents sure as hell don't.

I didn't agree with FLP's original post, but I do agree that she is apologizing, and what Nickelodian said is 100% the truth.

People, stop being so nasty! FLP- I think you did your duty by apologizing and if I were you, I'd lock this thread because you are the bigger person at this point.

-Kelsey-

pbrownw
Apr. 28, 2004, 10:26 AM
You guys attacking FLP is much worse than what she said. Why do so many people on this board love to attack everyone? My guess, because they would never say these things in real life but need someplace to vent. And behind the safety of their computer is the only way they feel comfortable doing it. Everyone has an opinion, stop getting so upset when someone has a different one. Horse prices vary greatly from area to area. Perhaps where she lives that is an overpriced animal. You're antagonistic behavior towards everything will make people stop posting.

Go Terps!!

FairWeather
Apr. 28, 2004, 10:46 AM
I could point out the "rude" part, but you edited your post.

I think calling a horse "ugly" is rude. There are a lot of "ugly" horses that have come thru my barn that only needed some groceries and some love. "ugly" or not, I love horses regardless.

As for the "He's a 14 year old TB--wouldnt pay more than 4K for him"

Uh, ok.
Perhaps all those older A/O and Adult Ammy TB's should just pack it up and retire. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Moesha
Apr. 28, 2004, 10:57 AM
I agree the post about the TB being over 12..hello..there are plenty of older TB's worth 5 times that at the shows?

Would you be saying this if it were a 12 year old Zimbabwenese Siames midget who could only jump cross rails while carrying two headed tamponless sex maniacs?

I think not!

Now back to the Crank!

dogchushu
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moesha:
...Would you be saying this if it were a 12 year old Zimbabwenese Siames midget who could only jump cross rails while carrying two headed tamponless sex maniacs?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With or without the breastplate?



"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

Beethoven
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:06 AM
I personally as others agree think he is cute. I really like his way of going. He looks confident and would be able to give a timid or beginner rider the confidence they need to move on to bigger and better things. Even though he is 12 years old, he could still be green to somethings. He looks like a horse that could take a rider in a 2'6" class and place fairly well in a local show or even a local A show. You shouldn't make your finally judgement until you see a horse in public or more information about him. I personally would pay 14k, as long as he vets okay, b/c I personally think he is worth every penny of it.

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Moesha
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:07 AM
Without....the wooden chinese antique children's saddle would be slipping all over the palce and the two headed sex maniac would be pulling on the rainbow reins and of course no martingale so the midgets head would be shooting up in the air and pulling agains the crank noseband!!!

It would be maddness I tell you..but they would still probably score a 88 in the hunter classic since the maniacs trainer slept with the steward who is the unknowm legitimate father of the judge who is married to her her brother who runs the hot dog stand at the show....showing is so political!!!

2ndyrgal
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:09 AM
OK FLP, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but here is the part I don't understand. If your own horse is on lease because you are going thru a rough patch, you probably aren't looking to purchase this horse. So why pick an ad out of the blue, and point out every thing that you, personally find wrong with it? I have a huge problem with people who are inconsiderate for no reason. Did I have a right to question your background? Just inferred that your parents bought you your horse, which it seems, at least the first one, they did. Training since you were 14, have had by your own count, at least 2 horses (which at 14 if you paid the upkeep on yourself, well you go girl. In college, which means that you are studying and working hard in the time not spent on posting a comment that someone put an overpriced (in your humble opinion) horse in an ad that, well, maybe they didn't use a professional video or photographer. You know, because they are going through a "rough time in college and have to sell there horse because they aren't as priveleged as "most of us". Do you understand now? Do unto others. Does my husband pay all the bills? You bet, I work 12-14 hours a day, 6 days week most weeks,then go home and do the farm and barn stuff, with maybe some time to ride and hunt, though not much lately. I have a son who is a couple of years older than you. Don't let finding fault become a habit this early, try to find something positive to say, or couch your questions so that they aren't hurtful to someone else. My comments to you were intentional, the instant defensive response it got from you, since I DON'T know you, was designed to let you see when someone attacks you (or your horse) well, it just feels downright mean doesn't it? If someone asks for your opinion on this BB, go nuts cause well, you shouldn't ask a question you don't really want the answer to. Good luck with your school.

Moesha
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:11 AM
FLP forgot her candy canes last night and is loosing her mind! She'll be ok if someone can find her Disco Fever, fanny pack.

"Sometimes the answer really is drugs!"

trailblazer
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:20 AM
I think it is ridiculous to pay over $25,000 for any horse. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif But you know who cares about my opinon? That's right. NO ONE!

Now, I think the horse in the ad you posted is a bargain. Provided he is sound, of course. If you think he is overpriced, DON'T BUY HIM! How would you feel if we found pictures of your horses and started knocking them? What is really RIDICULOUS is this thread. I have no idea why someone would feel the need to start it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:28 AM
After this, I'm going to leave this thread.

But I must say: I made no assumptions about this horse. NONE. You, however, in your "quest to show me how it feels", did. The only people making assumptions about this horse are making good ones-- they're assuming that he's sound, very safe, and that he places well at shows. Nothing wrong with that if the info given INFERS it. You know, the FACTS. But do not even begin to base assumptions about me on ONE comment I made, then try to justify it by saying that you were proving a point.

Its low, no matter how you look at it. Ocassionally (I thought I'd explain, simply because you made a smart a$$ comment about it) I like to go on sale sights and place the price categorey over 14k or so... photo ads only; to look at some pictures of some nice horses.

This ad caught my eye for all the wrong reasons. I'm happy for you that your job requires you to work long days coupled with long weeks. My horse is on lease because I had nor the time or money to spend on him late last year. Yes, I'm in college, community college that I'm paying for. I don't live at home, my parents don't supply me with a car, money, food--anything. I'm not trying to get a pity party together, but working 2 jobs and going to school 18hrs a week is far from lazy. I realize that this is the path I'VE chosen, but don't insult me without knowing me. I made a comment I didn't think would blow up the way it did. I apologized-- in fact, I said nothing offensive to anyone on this board, save the ugly horse comment. I don't think the excessive flaming was deserved then, and I don't now.

You know as well as I do that it doesn't take a professional video or photographer to take a decent picture. Really, would you put a horse up for 14k and supply those types of pictures? The video wasn't bad-- except for the part where he cross canters! That was what shocked me the most. THAT is what my original post was mainly about. Ugly is one word, only a fraction of the ones I put in that first post.

And yes, I worked my horse's board off at 14. I worked at the barn everyday afterschool. Oh, and my parents didn't drive me--if that's proof of being spoiled, too.

The original topic of this post turned out to be correct. You are ridiculous. Especially for trying to justify that. Especially for that.

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Bea
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:34 AM
[QUOTEMy comments to you were intentional, the instant defensive response it got from you, since I DON'T know you, was designed to let you see when someone attacks you (or your horse) well, it just feels downright mean doesn't it? [/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, 2ndyrgal, but you could clarify this philosophy to me? I don't think I've come across it before as being considered a healthy way to communicate with teenagers, or people of any age for that matter. Perhaps I misunderstand what you're trying to say?

Nickelodian
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:48 AM
One doesn't need a professional photographer to get the horse to prick his ears up, and look a little less ewe necked.

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FairWeather
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:55 AM
Uh, have you seen some of our CANTER pictures? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

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xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 11:55 AM
Doesn't anyone have a long ,lost boyfriend on this thread?

bigbay
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xegeba:
Doesn't anyone have a long ,lost boyfriend on this thread?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but I can authoritatively tell you that the Mona Lisa has no eyebrows.

"It is good to be fine."

xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:03 PM
Bigbay, I was under the impression that she had a uni-brow!

bigbay
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:04 PM
Real fact #85 at www.snapple.com (http://www.snapple.com) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

"It is good to be fine."

Freebird!
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:06 PM
Was the "No lunging at Devon" thread, NOT enough?!?!?!? COTH has really went down hill the past week or so, and really I am ashamed at even posting on this thread and bumping it up. I hope the seller of that horse DOES see this thread, so you all (the nasty posters that is) can be riddled with guilt. So teh horse may BE overpriuced. Who cares?? A horse - or anything for that matter - is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it. People pay MILLIONS for TB YEARLINGS every year, and you can bet that most of them won't make that money back in winnings. No one seems to mind that. Geez, I keep waiting on someone posting MY horses' for sale ads, ripping THEM apart...

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Bea
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:07 PM
No Donny's not here. But xegeba, thank god you are. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Please stay, your agile mind is needed to lighten the load.

xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:16 PM
Freebird, I think that the little gal who originally posted has gotten the point(hopefully). If not, well then I think she will never get it. What I got out of it is this.... It is never nice to make nasty comments about someone else's horse,PERIOD.If you want to make them about your own, have at it. Now, as a neophyte BB person, I think it is really unfortunate when people start seriously getting mad at people. Isn't there enough of that in our REAL life, hence my interjection of humor, because life is too short... But, if my equal opportunity sense of humor is not welcome on this thread then just tell me to skeedaddle and I will!!!

xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:24 PM
Thanks for the vote of confidence Bea... Maybe you can answer the question that begs to be asked. Did Mona Lisa shave her eyebrows off?

Bea
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:25 PM
xegeba, I for one highly value, and deeply envy, your equal opportunity sense of humor.

And I have a feeeeling freebird was typing her post when you turned up and she hadn't seen that you'd arrived.

If anyone should leave, it should probably be me. I lurked for a long time but only started posting a short while ago. And now people are saying the BB's going downhill.

Moesha
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:26 PM
My Milkshake brings all the boys to the yard and their like, it's better than yours; damm right it's better than yours, I could teach you but I'd have to charge.


I remember my first porn role costarring Hunter Ryder..he was hot...but you know all the sex and glamour just wasn't what I thought it would be..so I joined a Lesbian convent and grew eggplants for the nightly stews we had...oh the days of the lyre and the homemade wine and lesbianism...

Seahorsefarmtobe
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:27 PM
yup...too many trainwrecks on this BB lately!
"Can't we just all get along" ~ Rodney King

Bea
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:27 PM
To be honest, I thought she was eyebrowless to begin with. Isn't that why people talk so much about her smile?

Moesha
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:28 PM
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bea she is a slutty cheeks

xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:32 PM
Hold up there Moesh... MY milkshake is legendary... almost as good as Mona's! Eyebrows or not, I have a feeling that Leonardo thought ML had a pretty tasty milkshake... or perhaps there were various and asundrie gnomes hanging around...

Bea
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:35 PM
Aw shucks, thanks Moesha. Best compliment I've had all week, wait all year.

Wait, put it back, you said it twice. Don't take one of my compliments away from meeeee.

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:37 PM
hey: guys. Either a) tell me how to lock this thread, or b)stop posting on it so it goes awayhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Thanks

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

nightsong
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:38 PM
I'm apparently in a STRONGLY MINISCULE majority, but I happen to agree with FLP (original poster) that the horse is poorly presented for that price, and from MY experience, (I live in way-cheap-horse land, apparently, but I didn't know that) VASTLY overpriced. I also think that anyone who puts something on the internet, well, ought to be prepared. There are unkind people out there.

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nycjumper
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:40 PM
But the real question is "If a gnome was lunging this horse at Devon, could he get an exemption?" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:43 PM
Agree 100% Nodoz...

Moesha
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:44 PM
Bea, no I would never refer to your cheeks as slutty!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mona's the slutty cheeks..and we don't mean her facial ones!!!


Ok, Bea and Xegaba..we are going to have a milkshake ho down and I mean ho down..way down!!! to determine whose milkshake can bring the most boys to the yard....winner gets to keep the cherry on top! Or the cutests cowboy..for as long as he serves his purpose...I love the no doubt video

NYCjumper..have you seen the tragic results of Gnome lunging..it is not a pretty sight.

FatLilPony
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:50 PM
please?

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."

Bea
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:50 PM
Sorry Moesha, thanks, love to oblige, really.

But I'm going to follow flp's wishes.

xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:51 PM
I have this funny little feeling that you will be eating that cherry at the close of business hours Moesha.!!

MHM
Apr. 28, 2004, 12:59 PM
To close the thread, go back to edit your original post, and under the assorted gremlins, look for the option that says "close topic."

[This message was edited by MHM on Apr. 28, 2004 at 04:19 PM.]

Mosby
Apr. 28, 2004, 01:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FLP:
hey: guys. Either a) tell me how to lock this thread, or b)stop posting on it so it goes awayhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Thanks

"Stronger words should never be used so early on."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FLP - I think you can ask one of the moderators to close it for you so it will go away.

Sorry you had such a rough experience - I don't think any one of us is above making similar mistakes, whether we admit it or not.

SquishTheBunny
Apr. 28, 2004, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I find it hard to believe that an OTTB with 3 months pro training would be safe and appropriate to cart a novice kid around an outdoor course....JMHO but it takes several years for the typical OTTB to be ready for that job

Sorry, but in my book, trying to make an OTTB do that job with 3 months training, is a recipe for disaster...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rocky...Ive had experience with MANY OTTB's and some of them STRAIGHT off the track are quiet, kid frienly horses. We had one come from the track the day after a race who was as quiet as could be. We hacked him, even went in the river with him. He was more than kid safe. SOme arent, but many are. If you find a nice SANE ottb, 3 months training is MORE than enough to make them decent for a novice rider.

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Freebird!
Apr. 28, 2004, 02:14 PM
FLP - sorry to bump your thread up once again, but just wanted to clarify something, my post wasn't just directed towards you. Actually, though I DO think you shouldn't have posted what you did, you did edit the original post, and I really don't think you intended on hurting anyone's feelings. What rubbed me the wrong way was everyone attacking you and each other. I just don't like how posts have ended up being train wrecks here on COTH.


Edited to add: Xebega - LOL, nope I was typing my post before I had realized you had joined this little party, and how the heck do you pronounce your COTH name?? Hmmm.....I sure HOPE I don't have any long lost Boyfriends on this thread....LOL...I'm still scratching my head on how we got on the subject of Milkshakes...this must be one of those things you can't understand sober? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
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[This message was edited by Freebird on Apr. 28, 2004 at 05:24 PM.]

PiedPiper
Apr. 28, 2004, 02:24 PM
FLP- Shoot, just come over to the eventing side. Would have only have had half the insults until the discussion on whether or not he could flip over would come up. And whether you could do it on him without spilling your beer. Plus, IMHO, after reading the ad I question the actually training just b/c of the wording used. Not the correct terminology. But so what, you gave your opinion, should have only rec'd a slap on the wrists MAYBE and it should have been dropped. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Just shake it off and figure that if the rest of us are adults, we are probably at work so very very CRANKY.

You liked that saying, who peed in your Cheerios!?! My best friend used to always say that growing up and it always made me laugh. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Grab mane and kick on!
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[This message was edited by PiedPiper on Apr. 28, 2004 at 07:57 PM.]

xegeba
Apr. 28, 2004, 03:51 PM
Freebird!!!! I have no idea how to pronounce my name..... Furthermore, it has no meaning... it is the password for a football website my husband goes on. For some reason it is easy to remember!!!!! Sorry, I wish it was something really off the chart intelligent, but I think by now, all you know I struggle in that dept........

Rivermeer
Apr. 28, 2004, 04:29 PM
Ok, here's my 02 cents. I read the original post and though it wasnt tackful. The only thing I seen wrong with it, is that the horse is ugly. When i watched the video, I thought the horse was very cute and safe. Now I wouldnt pay the asking price for him, but he does seem like an easy guy. Now remember, that there have been numerous posts of for sale adds picking them apart. Example "Why are they advertising him to jump 4' and showing him over a crappy jump of 2'6". And I dont recall all the flaming for those adds. This is a public forum and everyone has their rights to their own opinion. So you have your right to answer back. Just don't be so nasty http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Heather

Just2StayOn
Apr. 28, 2004, 05:06 PM
Okay guys the bell has rung- it's time to go back to 6th grade... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

"Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you jump, but how well you bounce."

Erin
Apr. 28, 2004, 05:33 PM
Closing at the request of the original poster...