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PoniesAndUp
Jan. 8, 2012, 01:16 PM
Does anyone regularly use stirrups which would be considered safety stirrups? There are so many on the market right now, and it's hard to tell what's safer than regular old fillis irons, and what's not. I have never had an issue with getting a foot hung up, but now that I'm riding a less than "steady eddy" horse who likes to spook and spin every now and again, it seems like it would be smart to take advantage of what is out there to increase safety.


Regular old Peacock stirrup irons ([URL="http://www.equestriancollections.com)

Advantages: Cheap

Disadvantages: They have a reputation of being only for kids. They are noticeable. Have heard horror stories of getting certain delicate bits caught up while dismounting. :eek:


Kwik Out Stirrup Irons (http://www.equestriancollections.com/product.asp?groupcode=ER00548)

Advantages: Average price. Looks like a regular iron.

Disadvantages: I have heard they can come open if you loose your stirrup while jumping, and would be difficult/impossible to get closed again while riding? Also the dangling open hook could be dangerous if your horse goes for a gallop after you part ways.


Mountain Horse Quick Release Stirrups (http://www.equestriancollections.com/product.asp?groupcode=ER00060)

Advantages: Average price. Looks pretty close to a regular iron from a distance. Can be used with special Mountain horse system to increase safety, or without.

Disadvantages: Not sure, can't find much information about these? Anyone used them?


Action Magna Stirrups (http://www.equestriancollections.com/product.asp?groupcode=ER90017)

Advantages: Average price, looks like a regular iron.

Disadvantages: Anyone used these? How easily do they come apart? I haven't seen these in person.


Safestyle Offset Eye Stirrup Iron (http://www.vtosaddlery.com/product/SSSI.htm)

Advantages: Hard to get hung up on open design. Looks traditional from a distance?

Disadvantages: Moderatly Pricey. Not sure if the larger knob on the inside would bang my horse somehow (I have very short legs).


OnTyte Magnetic Stirrups (http://www.ontyte.com/)

Advantages: Would probably stop your foot from getting shoved too far into the stirrup in the first place. Marginally traditional looking iron (lots of people using black/carbon irons now). Hard to lose a stirrup.

Disadvantages: Extremely pricey, need to get current boots resoled with magnets or buy expensive boots with magnets already installed.


X'up Stirrup (http://en.freejumpsystem.com/freejumpstore-x-up-2.html)

Advantages: Nope nope nope. (http://www.chronofhorse.com/sites/default/files/LynchAbbervailvanhetDingeshofFall.jpg) :eek:

Disadvantages: Expensive and dangerous.


Soft'Up (http://en.freejumpsystem.com/freejumpstore-soft-up-5.html)

Advantages: Never seen these in person, looks like they would work? Might not be too noticeable if you used the all black ones. Can use them with regular boots as far as I know.

Disadvantages: Not traditional looking. Expensive.


Now aside from the peacock irons, I have not seen any of these stirrups on person, so any other thoughts on these would be appreciated. Thanks all!

SarahandSam
Jan. 8, 2012, 05:00 PM
I use the peacock irons... but I'm 85 lbs and built like a kid, so the weight issue hasn't come up. I do always tuck the left stirrup up in front of the flaps when I jump off, though, having heard the same horror stories as you. (:

Donkerbruin
Jan. 8, 2012, 05:30 PM
I rode in Kwik Outs when I was a junior, and never had a problem with them coming open (except when they were supposed to).

Hinderella
Jan. 8, 2012, 05:30 PM
I have everyday Peacock stirrups on one saddle, and the Mountain horse on the other. Personally, I've gotten tossed enough times that I prefer to ride with safety stirrups. I've never had any trouble with Peacock stirrups, mounting or dismounting. I would say it's best to get a sturdy, heavy pair, like Korsteel. Some of the cheaper ones are quite light and lack the feel of a regular stirrup.
I like the Mountain Horse stirrup when doing anything more formal than hacking and schooling because they look like regular stirrups. Mine have an angled Mountain Horse pad that I don't really care for, but I've been too lazy to switch it for a flatter pad.
I haven't tried any of the others.

bits619
Jan. 8, 2012, 05:38 PM
I use the Peacock irons as well and am not kid weight, lol :-) I heard those stories as well, yikes almighty, and know of a rider who always crosses her left stirrup over the horse's withers before dismounting. I just vault and push away from the saddle rather than slide off. Push awaaaaay from the hook of horror!

I don't have anything else to add since I haven't used any of the other safety irons, except I used to ride in the traditional irons and fell off a few times with them but didn't get caught in the stirrup. My foot was smaller then though. I also had the privilege of falling off while using the Peacock irons and haven't ever had a problem with them either.

tpup
Jan. 8, 2012, 06:42 PM
I am an adult and have always used the peacock with the rubber bands. Yep, they are noticeable but they work, and I have had instances where my STIRRUP has gotten caught on a fence or branch and the rubber band did exactly what it was supposed to do - break! I hate to think what would have happened with a traditional stirrup. I haven't had a broken band in 3 years, but to me they were priceless when I first got my horse who was naughty at times, would ride too close to fences and trees, etc. I have done dressage schooling shows and CT's in them and I don't care what they look like. :)

I've never had any other problems with them dismounting or anything.

I bought the Mountain Horse stirrups to try and I found them to be shockingly heavy. They are still in the box.

DeucesWild11
Jan. 8, 2012, 07:25 PM
I have a horror story with peacock irons. When I was a kid I fell of and got hung up in the iron and my pony took off around the indoor. The rubber band never snapped off and the pony eventually stopped. Also the bands seem to snap in innapropriate times. I will never use peacock irons again nor will I ever let ANY of my students use them. Accident waiting to happen.

NinjaPoster
Jan. 8, 2012, 07:29 PM
I have a horror story with peacock irons. When I was a kid I fell of and got hung up in the iron and my pony took off around the indoor. The rubber band never snapped off and the pony eventually stopped. Also the bands seem to snap in innapropriate times. I will never use peacock irons again nor will I ever let ANY of my students use them. Accident waiting to happen.

Yes, I have also heard of people getting hung up in Peacock irons and the rubber band not snapping.

Inese
Jan. 8, 2012, 07:46 PM
I have been riding in these foot free stirrups for 20 years, eventing at the BN and Novice levels. My foot always came out freely when I fell off - LOL!

I do not use the white pads. The stirrups have hash marks (etching) in the part under the sole of your boots, giving you a good grip in wet contditions - rain or problem water jumps!

http://www.doversaddlery.com/Foot+Free%3f+Stirrup+Irons/p/X1-0702/

Foot Free Stirrup Irons are centuries-old style stirrup irons carefully crafted to Old World standards. Sculptured design. No movable or detachable parts to break or disengage. Stainless steel with white pads

tGievent
Jan. 8, 2012, 07:49 PM
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but the Hermes Sprenger's standard flex stirrup do count as safety stirrups- I wouldn't run xc in them if they weren't! I researched it and apparently the little spring will give way if there is sufficient force put on it.

Kestrel
Jan. 9, 2012, 05:38 AM
The Kwik-Out cannot come open if you have weight on the sole of your foot. You have to have your weight on the outside branch of the stirrup to allow the sole plate part of the Kwik-Out to move up and rotate outward. If it did (though I can't figure out how it could) start to open, all you have to do is step down and it would close.

I started using the Kwik-Outs 16 years ago after my DD was hung up in her stirrup and kicked in the face. The Kwik-Outs have opened when I needed them to do so, and never opened when I didn't. I have had problems with getting free of the Herm Sprengers when I tried those, so I've gone back to the Kwik-Outs.

RolyPolyPony
Jan. 9, 2012, 10:11 AM
I'm 35 and ride in peacock stirrups - when I started lessoning again, I couldn't find my old stirrups so bought peacocks, as that's what was on all the school saddles. I've never had an issue getting caught while getting on/off, and the bands have never randomly snapped. They are VERY light so if you have issues regaining a stirrup after losing one, I'd stay away!

I do want to get the Foot Free ones mentioned above, as I like the look much better than the elastic of the peacock!

cada931
Jan. 9, 2012, 11:29 AM
When my daughter got her pony, we stopped sharing a saddle with peacocks and I was all excited to get my own "big girl" stirrups. I got a nice pair of prussian irons but I had no idea of the range of "big girl" looking safety stirrups. After a little incident a couple of weeks ago - no harm done - I'm definitely thinking about some of these safety stirrups. I really like the look of the Foot Free's.

Formal Affairs
Jan. 9, 2012, 12:07 PM
I'm not a particular fan of peacock stirrups for the most part, sheerly because I got hung up on a set at an IEA show and had to get freed by a complete stranger. Only mildly embarrassing.

Other than that, I like them well enough.

twhs
Jan. 9, 2012, 01:20 PM
We have the curvy stirrups -- sorry don't know the name -- on both our 11-year old grandaughter's saddles. After reading posts on COTH and her ripping pants when dismounting when using peacocks, I thought too, this was an accident waiting to happen. Anyone know what the curvy stirrups are called?

BAC
Jan. 9, 2012, 01:43 PM
We have the curvy stirrups -- sorry don't know the name -- on both our 11-year old grandaughter's saddles. After reading posts on COTH and her ripping pants when dismounting when using peacocks, I thought too, this was an accident waiting to happen. Anyone know what the curvy stirrups are called?

You are probably using the Foot Free irons referred to by several other posters, one of them included a link. FWIW, William Fox-Pitt, one of the top eventers in the world, uses Foot Free irons when riding cross country. I have used peacock stirrups on occasion, only because they happened to be on the saddle I was using, with no dire results dismounting, and fortunately I never fell while using them either.

Celeritas
Jan. 9, 2012, 02:05 PM
Not to be contrary, but I am confused why someone who is not a rank beginner or small child would feel like they need to use safety stirrups? I have never used them, even when I started riding as a child, and (knock on wood) I have never had a problem with my foot getting caught in a stirrup all the millions of ways I have managed to part ways with my mount. I don't know any adults (even relative novices) that use them. Is it a 'better safe than sorry' thing? A secutity blanket? Do people not get taught how to fall properly anymore? I'm just curious as to why you adults that are not beginners use them. Do you use then in the show ring or just while schooling? Do you use them with all horses or just greenies? Please enlighten me!

Rel6
Jan. 9, 2012, 03:56 PM
Action Magna Stirrups (http://www.equestriancollections.com/product.asp?groupcode=ER90017)

Advantages: Average price, looks like a regular iron.

Disadvantages: Anyone used these? How easily do they come apart? I haven't seen these in person.


I've used them. They come apart a little too easily. I used them in the jumpers and at anything faster than a slow canter they would come apart and snap back and click every stride.

Multiple times I'd come out of the ring to have a trainer tell me they thought my mare threw a shoe, and it was always them hearing the metallic clacking of the stirrups. If they made the magnets a little stronger I would have no other complaints.

Rel6
Jan. 9, 2012, 04:00 PM
Not to be contrary, but I am confused why someone who is not a rank beginner or small child would feel like they need to use safety stirrups? I have never used them, even when I started riding as a child, and (knock on wood) I have never had a problem with my foot getting caught in a stirrup all the millions of ways I have managed to part ways with my mount. I don't know any adults (even relative novices) that use them. Is it a 'better safe than sorry' thing? A secutity blanket? Do people not get taught how to fall properly anymore? I'm just curious as to why you adults that are not beginners use them. Do you use then in the show ring or just while schooling? Do you use them with all horses or just greenies? Please enlighten me!

Its hard to fall properly when you have a foot lodged in a stirrup. I've seen great riders get dragged around a ring.

I personally only used safety stirrups because they were mandated by my old barn (for insurance reasons?) I don't use them now, but I certainly feel like they could be appropriate at any level.

Even some grand prix riders are debuting new stirrup designs, and while they aren't "safety stirrups" in the classical sense, one of their purposed is to prevent a rider getting dragged from a foot caught in a stirrup.

RolyPolyPony
Jan. 9, 2012, 04:02 PM
Not to be contrary, but I am confused why someone who is not a rank beginner or small child would feel like they need to use safety stirrups? I have never used them, even when I started riding as a child, and (knock on wood) I have never had a problem with my foot getting caught in a stirrup all the millions of ways I have managed to part ways with my mount. I don't know any adults (even relative novices) that use them. Is it a 'better safe than sorry' thing? A secutity blanket? Do people not get taught how to fall properly anymore? I'm just curious as to why you adults that are not beginners use them. Do you use then in the show ring or just while schooling? Do you use them with all horses or just greenies? Please enlighten me!

I never used them when I rode as a child, and while I'm a re-rider now, I don't consider myself a rank beginner, but I like the added peace of mind, I guess. I think if I had started up again NOT using them, I'd have been fine w/ that - especially since, no, I don't trust myself to remember to fall properly in the heat of the moment!

And I haven't done any showing yet, but when I do, I'll use non-peacocks, for the look.

Bravestrom
Jan. 9, 2012, 04:03 PM
kwik outs saved my son's life - here is the end result to the stirrup after his mare flipped over after rearing.

Sure glad he had the stirrups. Here is what they looked like after

http://www.prospectequinefarms.com/images/mainimages/tack/102-0291_IMG.JPG
http://www.prospectequinefarms.com/images/mainimages/tack/102-0290_IMG.JPG

RolyPolyPony
Jan. 9, 2012, 04:04 PM
Not to be contrary, but I am confused why someone who is not a rank beginner or small child would feel like they need to use safety stirrups? I have never used them, even when I started riding as a child, and (knock on wood) I have never had a problem with my foot getting caught in a stirrup all the millions of ways I have managed to part ways with my mount. I don't know any adults (even relative novices) that use them. Is it a 'better safe than sorry' thing? A secutity blanket? Do people not get taught how to fall properly anymore? I'm just curious as to why you adults that are not beginners use them. Do you use then in the show ring or just while schooling? Do you use them with all horses or just greenies? Please enlighten me!

Also, as someone else mentioned, William Fox-Pitt rides in safety stirrups (and a neck strap!) and I doubt he considers himself a beginner ;) I wonder if it's more common with eventers (especially cross-country), which is what I want to be, someday...!

Hinderella
Jan. 9, 2012, 04:18 PM
In answer to Celeritas' inquiry: Why not? Why not use something that could be safer, and causes no harm? To me, it's rather like wearing a helmet, you hope that you won't need it, but if you do, you'd rather not be without it.

Now I'm sure that those who show in the "big time" of A & AA shows would be concerned about appearances, even with safety stirrups like the Mountain horse or quik-out that aren't obvious in the way a peacock stirrup would be. But outside of that concern, I can't think of any particular reason that one would not use a safety stirrup (although I'm sure George Mosrris would disagree ;) )

Outyougo
Jan. 9, 2012, 04:26 PM
Foot Free!!

Foot Free!!!

FOOT FREE!!!!!

If you have ever seen any one dragged you will be a believer

Got the paddock boot laces caught on the hook of Peacock gave them away

Those stirrups that break open can hurt horse or person when they open up and have crummy pads

I have had the same set of Foot Free Irons for 25 years from Greennies to CCI***

Bravestrom
Jan. 9, 2012, 04:29 PM
I forgot to mention that if you do use kwik outs you have to be careful that they face the correct way to open up every time your ride with them.

Celeritas
Jan. 9, 2012, 05:42 PM
I guess I've just always lived in a show barn bubble where the only ones that use peacock stirrups are the pony kids, so thanks for the perspective :) I'll never look down at anyone for taking a safety precaution or using the safety stirrups if it makes them feel better. Heck, I know that I've sometimes wished for a seat belt on my saddle on cold blustery days when getting on my friend's horse that she so aptly nicknamed "Mt. Vesuvius!"

Sorry for the hijack, back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Stillatit
Jan. 9, 2012, 07:06 PM
Not to be contrary, but I am confused why someone who is not a rank beginner or small child would feel like they need to use safety stirrups? I have never used them, even when I started riding as a child, and (knock on wood) I have never had a problem with my foot getting caught in a stirrup all the millions of ways I have managed to part ways with my mount. I don't know any adults (even relative novices) that use them. Is it a 'better safe than sorry' thing? A secutity blanket? Do people not get taught how to fall properly anymore? I'm just curious as to why you adults that are not beginners use them. Do you use then in the show ring or just while schooling? Do you use them with all horses or just greenies? Please enlighten me!

I have been dragged! It is not easy after that experience to go back to using regular stirrups. I've been riding since before I could walk and never used a safety stirrup before that. I have been using the Kwik Outs now for many years and it gives me piece of mind. I have never had any issues with them at all.

Dewey
Jan. 9, 2012, 07:21 PM
I rode cross country with peacock stirrups till I was 22 years old. No one ever said anything to me about them. My daughter shows hunters; I bought her a pair of Quik-Outs, and again, no one has ever criticized.

Fillabeana
Jan. 9, 2012, 08:07 PM
I have Foot Free, curvy irons on my jumping saddle.

I also ALWAYS ride with the safety flags on the stirrup bar down, so the stirrup leather can get free of the saddle.

I've gone off and noticed my foot come out of the FF iron, rather than get caught. I've also been on a horse that slipped and fell over sideways. The FF has that nice curve to it...and the curve stayed over my foot so the horse was not squashing the iron into my foot. I don't think that was by chance, but rather part of how the stirrup design can work.

Tivas_a_Diva
Jan. 10, 2012, 12:51 PM
I've always used the peacock safety stirrups or regular fillis style stirrups and (knock on wood) have never had a problem.

I was told by a trainer once that I was "too old" (was 27 at the time) for peacock stirrups and that I needed a different pair. I ended up buying a used pair of jointed stirrups with the rubber pieces on the branches. My first ride in them, I got dumped and my right foot got caught up in them as I was tossed off to the left. Tore just about every tendon and ligament in my right ankle, and had to take 6 months off from riding. At any rate, I now feel that you are never too old to be safe. If I ride in peacock stirrups for the rest of my life, so be it. I'd rather be frowned upon in the show ring than risk injury and inability to ride. IMO... :cool:

jnel
Jan. 10, 2012, 03:56 PM
Another type of foot free safety stirrups are the Icelandic stirrups http://countryridesaddlery.com/products.php/MetalabIcelandicStirrups. Pics of the Queen of England going for a ride and she is using foot free safety stirrups http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03/queen-horse-riding_n_1181586.html. You can also try the Barnes Buckle http://equineink.com/2008/04/12/equine-safety-barnes-buckle-prevents-dragging-accidents/ which allows you to use whatever stirrup you want as long as its not fat necked (like the wide track composite stirrups).

PoniesAndUp
Jan. 12, 2012, 12:28 AM
Had not considered the Foot Free stirrups but it sounds like I should. One thing I found in someone's review was they they were very hard to pick up again if you lose a stirrup on course (which I have been known to do once in a while... ;)) Has anyone had that issue?

didgery
Jan. 12, 2012, 01:05 AM
I've heard of a horse being impaled on the open bottom of a peacock stirrup. I may even have heard it on COTH! Is that an urban (rural?) legend? It is unsubstantiated but it gives me pause. I like the looks of the Safestyle stirrups that someone posted but I'd be similarly concerned about that open side . . .

http://www.vtosaddlery.com/product/SSSI.htm

Brooke
Jan. 12, 2012, 11:01 AM
I keep my horses at home and usually there is no one around when I'm riding. Getting hung up is my one fear, so I switched to peacock stirrups a while ago. After reading this I may switch to Foot Free or the Quick Outs. I'm old enough and have been riding long enough not to worry what others think about my choice of stirrups. :)

jn4jenny
Jan. 12, 2012, 11:10 AM
I have the Kwik-Outs on my dressage saddle and the Mountain Horse Quick Release Stirrups on my jump saddle. Because of the Kwik-Out design, you can't use any kind of stirrup pad in them, and my knees appreciate shock-absorbing stirrup pads for jumping.

So I bought the Mountain Horse stirrups, took off the Mountain Horse built-in pads, and added Super Comfort Stirrup Pads. The Mountain Horse stirrups are not quite as quick to release as the Kwik-Outs, but I added a little grease to the top pole of the rubber release portion (but not the bottom) and "broke in" the rubber release tube by flexing it gently with my hand for awhile, much as you would break in a new piece of leather. I am confident that in an emergency, it would give.

Carolinadreamin'
Jan. 12, 2012, 11:10 AM
I've always used the peacock safety stirrups or regular fillis style stirrups and (knock on wood) have never had a problem.

I was told by a trainer once that I was "too old" (was 27 at the time) for peacock stirrups and that I needed a different pair. I ended up buying a used pair of jointed stirrups with the rubber pieces on the branches. My first ride in them, I got dumped and my right foot got caught up in them as I was tossed off to the left. Tore just about every tendon and ligament in my right ankle, and had to take 6 months off from riding. At any rate, I now feel that you are never too old to be safe. If I ride in peacock stirrups for the rest of my life, so be it. I'd rather be frowned upon in the show ring than risk injury and inability to ride. IMO... :cool:


I had used those jointed stirrups for years, until..... Over a jump one day, I thought my horse was going to zig when he zagged and I ended up getting tossed, although I managed to grab his neck on the way down! We ended up coming to a stop at the rail, me hanging on upside down on his neck like a monkey, poor boy! My foot was still hung up in my stirrup and I shudder to think what would have happened had I not been able to hang onto his neck.

I'm over 30yrs old (more than just a little!), ride only dressage now and happily use the peacock stirrups at home and at shows. Daughter uses them for eventing.

mypaintwattie
Jan. 12, 2012, 02:12 PM
I used Peacocks until I was 20? Then I switched to the Springer 4-ways. I have no problem using peacocks or safety stirrups, but I have heard that if you are a teen or adult and want peacocks get a good quality pair. Some of them are not made to support the weight of an adult and could break. Again, I've only heard that, it has never happened to myself or anyone I know. But something to think about.

cada931
Jan. 13, 2012, 09:33 AM
Pics of the Queen of England going for a ride and she is using foot free safety stirrups http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/03/queen-horse-riding_n_1181586.html.

I think this is a pretty respectable endorsement for the foot free stirrups. My daughter plans to start eventing this year - I'm about ready to order a pair.

Donkerbruin
Jan. 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
I forgot to mention that if you do use kwik outs you have to be careful that they face the correct way to open up every time your ride with them.

That goes without saying. If you pick up your stirrup the correct way, without twisted leathers, then there will be no problem.

I have seen someone get dragged with the Foot Frees. Kwik outs are the best, I think. I ride in regular fillis irons though.

Carolinadreamin'
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:22 PM
I used Peacocks until I was 20? Then I switched to the Springer 4-ways. I have no problem using peacocks or safety stirrups, but I have heard that if you are a teen or adult and want peacocks get a good quality pair. Some of them are not made to support the weight of an adult and could break. Again, I've only heard that, it has never happened to myself or anyone I know. But something to think about.


I never knew that. We've never had one break, but your post makes me want to do further investigation.

paulaedwina
Jan. 13, 2012, 12:28 PM
RE: Peacocks Disadvantages: They have a reputation of being only for kids. They are noticeable. Have heard horror stories of getting certain delicate bits caught up while dismounting.

Yup! The ONLY stirrup incident I ever had was dismounting and a peacock catching me high high high up on the inner thigh -ripping an hole in my breaches and almost biblically knowing me.

Paula