Stargate Sporthorses

[Sporthorse South]

We heard yesterday that Lisa and Jackie Blackmon are no longer at Stargate Sporthorses. Does anyone know who will be handling the breeding program there? A friend wants to breed to Bergamon this year, but the only phone number she has is for the Blackmons, and they are not returning her calls.

[Sporthorse South]

We heard yesterday that Lisa and Jackie Blackmon are no longer at Stargate Sporthorses. Does anyone know who will be handling the breeding program there? A friend wants to breed to Bergamon this year, but the only phone number she has is for the Blackmons, and they are not returning her calls.

[Tiki]

That's odd. I thought they built and owned Stargate.

Tranquility Farm (http://www.tranquilityfarm.com)
We don't have many, but the ones we have are nice

[inca]

No, Lisa and Jackie did not/do not own Stargate.

[arnika]

There is a farm no. listed on the AHS site and on their website, (940)241-1120 and a fax no. (940)241-1249. Maybe they will work.

[wildcat]

Good grief. The facility there and the huge investment in horses made by the owners was linked to their association with the Blackmons. What an opportunity for the right trainer. Sure hope the owners haven't been soured enough to leave the sport.

[Laurie@CBF]

Who are the owners? I think that they did some pretty significant "sponsorship" last year in the dressage world (prize money at competitions) - just wondering how much this will "upset the apple cart"?

[wildcat]

Laurie-
For whatever reason, the identity of the owners of Stargate has been a mystery to many. With the the different warmblood registries as well as the sponsorship of breed competitions, the contact has always been listed as Lisa and Jackie Blackmon. Even during the USDF symposium at Stargate, most spectators were under the impression that the Blackmons owned the place. To my knowledge, whenever the Blackmons were asked directly who owned Stargate, their response was vague and amounted to "a group of investors". It was odd from the beginning....most generous sponsors enjoy recognition in the horse world and their trainers/riders turn cartwheels to thank them publicly.

[ise@ssl]

Well corporations can have many stockholders and very often they don't want to be identified. Not unusual - why should the horseworld be any different?

If it were "breaking news" everytime trainers moved to another facility - well..........!!! Here in NJ - we always laugh about the annual "change of venue" - often when they are returning from FLA.

BTW - I had sen an email to Jackie the other day and had a response the same day. So Chris - perhaps your friend should just send an email. I hope that whomever you "heard" this from is correct - since you announced this on this BB.

[wildcat]

I think the fact that Stargate Sporthorses was built for and to the specifications of Lisa and Jackie Blackmon makes their reported departure noteworthy, most especially because the facility and the breeding/sales program were in the infancy stages of promotion and recognition. Likewise, I believe it is normal for mare owners who might have chosen to breed to a Stargate stallion to be concerned about who exactly will be in charge of this part of the Stargate business. It could be helpful to know the owner's name, or am I unreasonable?

[cyriz's mom]

Funny this thread is here. I just got a call n ot 30 min. ago asking if I knew what the deal was.

According to the caller (who trains at a barn near there), the Blackmons were escorted off the property by security guards of somekind and it was videotaped. Apparently the gates are closed or are closing soon and boarders are scrambling to find new homes for their horses. Some have ended up at this trainer's place and they are the ones who said Blackmon's were escorted off the property.

The relationship between the Blackmon's and the owners was a little mysterious. I was told at one point (and sorry I don't remember who told me...it may have been Jackie) the man who owns MJ Designs and Michael's was one of the main investors. Around here many of the MJ Designs stores were closed in 2003 and I wondered how it would affect Stargate. He had had financial problems in the past. I also believe there was some other investors from California.

It is such an incredible facility, I hope that it reopens, but the overhead had to be stupendous.

Sorry if I've offended anyone, not trying to be a "gossip monger", just figure out what happened and how it will affect the DFW horse community.

[Amy]

cyriz's mom I heard the same thing about the owners but I don't know if it was true or not. I imagine the overhead and building costs were astronominal- it is one of the nicest facilities I have seen.

[Fallbrook]

From ise@ssl

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I hope that whomever you "heard" this from is correct - since you announced this on this BB.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good grief! Perhaps you should take up kickboxing or something. You obviously have a lot of anger that you need to deal with in a more constructive manner. Your passive-aggressive manner is getting old.

[dray]

Cyriz's Mom,

I have heard the same regarding investors.

Perhaps Bergamom will get to walk from his stall to the walker thing without his surcingle on and his neck straight up and his nose on his chest, all "rigged up". I really "felt" for him and thought he miust be one heck of a good-natured horse.

In the case of absentee ownership and sponsorship situaitons, this is not a surprising scenario. We've seen it before. I imagine the horses will be treated well in the transition and I wish them well.
Donna

[STF]

Wow....this puts the other thread where I was torn to shreds to shame......LOL

Guys, be careful on stating an opinion or even facts about what you know or even think is true......it can get blow way out of hand and the next thing you know, you will also become the "anti-christ deamon from hell".....

One thing I will say after my last issue, is there are TWO sides to every story, so lets not judge unless we know all the facts....

Ummmm, now back to my Merlot.....

"The winds of change.....can sure mess up your hair"


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[Fallbrook]

Public information:

The tax bills for the Stargate Sporthorses property are sent to 300 Crescent Ct Suite 1000 Dallas TX. That address is also the address for Highland Trust Company, which is a trust for the Wyly Family - brothers Sam and Charles - (big time friends of Dubya). They are involved in Michaels - but that's only a small portion of their business holdings. If they are Stargate owners I doubt that they are too terribly concerned with normal operating expenses and overhead.

[CentrelineFarm]

That is truly horrible news, and I sincerely hope it is all a misunderstanding.

I have spoken to Mr. Blackmon on the phone and he was very pleasant and friendly - really nice person - and very proud of what he was creating in that farm.

I also hope that Bergamon ends up in a reliable place since I was looking at him for one of my mares...

Nicolette
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'I succeeded, in spite of myself' - Alois Podhajsky

[ise@ssl]

Fallbrook:
I turn you words back to you:
"Good grief! Perhaps you should take up kickboxing or something. You obviously have a lot of anger that you need to deal with in a more constructive manner. Your passive-aggressive manner is getting old."

Gee - this must be important to you that you look up the mailing address for property taxes. And what does George Bush have to do with this? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Oh no...........maybe this is all a right wing conspiracy............. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Equibrit]

Stallions at Stargate were described as owned by Emily Wyly Lindsey

Quoted from their website;
"Stargate Sport Horses was designed by Lisa Blackmon and Emily Lopez for the serious dressage competitor."

ise@ssl's consternation may be attributed to Lisa Blackmons involvement with OLD/ISR!

How did George Bush raise his ugly head?

[This message was edited by Equibrit on Mar. 01, 2004 at 10:50 AM.]

[Fallbrook]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ise@ssl:
Fallbrook:
Gee - this must be important to you that you look up the mailing address for property taxes. And what does George Bush have to do with this? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
Oh no...........maybe this is all a right wing conspiracy............. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In what manner is this information threatening to you? I simply demonstrated that it isn't necessary to speculate on relationships when the information is available in the public domain. It took all of 5 minutes to look up. If I wish to interject an personal note about the Wyly family tie to politics and you choose to interpret that as a right wing conspiracy theory......well, I think that says more about you than it does about me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

This issue is simply interesting enough to read about - that's all. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

[Amy]

Actually I was kinda impressed/ scared that Fallbrook could find that info so easily. My own limited computer pecking would never have pulled that up!

I don't know what her involvement was with ISR/OldNa except that she hosted the inspection for the past 2 years (I attended the first year).

[Sonesta]

Does anyone know if the Walter Zettle clinic in Mid march to be held at Stargate will be cancelled due to all this?

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[inca]

Sonesta - I was thinking the same thing!

I am looking at a 3-yr-old that an Austin breeder has for sale. Trying to set up a 2nd visit and she said the only bad weekend in March was Mar 12-14 because of the Walter Zettl clinic. I e-mailed her back that I hoped what was going on at Stargate doesn't affect the clinic.

Surely they can find an alternative site if need be. Although it is short notice. Wonder who is handling this and if they are aware of the whole situation?

[dray]

Who knows, the facility mihg tbe back up by then. For now, it's speculation.

USDF has used Noble Champion Farm for some events in the past and it's also in the metroplex.

[ise@ssl]

FYI - Ms. Falbrook and Ms. Equibrit - I've never met Mr. Blackmon & I met Ms. Blackmon at DAD - sat in a 4 hour Board meeting with her and had a casual conversaton with her at DAD the next day for 10 minutes. I never quized her on who owns the farm she works for or who pays the real estate taxes on it - not my business and I certainly wouldn't answer these quesitons if someone asked me!!!

As I stated - Trainers leaving facilities is nothing new - but I just feel that when it comes to individual's employment and what the circumstances are surrounding that - people should know the sources of what they post and be willing to state them. I posted the exact same comment when a post was made years about about a trainer leaving Paxton Farms and people were giving their impression of why it had happenend.

I've never wondered who owns certain farms or who gets the real estate tax bill (especially half way across the country) enough to look this information up.

And I'm still trying to figure out what George Bush has to do with all of this?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Didn't another trainer leave the big breeding/training farm (also in Texas) owned by Melanie Pai? It happens - all the time.

[Equibrit]

Maybe if you knew her better you would understand the curiousity!

BTW - all the information posted here is readily available and in the public domain. Nobody has offered any opinion as to the reason for the Blackmon's departure. They have merely commented on ownership of the farm. So why are you having a cow?

[jumpclear]

FYI...The sole owner of Stargate is Sam Wyly's daughter. The Blackmon's never owned the farm even though they let people, including the USDF and USA Equestrian. I know all parties involved and IT IS ABOUT TIME! It is a beautiful facility and the owner is an extremely nice lady. She was treated VERY badly and did not deserve it.

[Equibrit]

Can't say I'm surprised!

[CindyGen]

Jumpclear if you know the nice lady owner, please tell her Bergamon can come live with me http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[wildcat]

OK...so the rumors must be true. The next question....who is left behind at Stargate to manage the horses? Will there be a new trainer/stallion manager or will the horses be sold and/or relocated? Does the "nice lady owner" have someone trustworthy advising her?

[talloaks]

Anyone hear the real story as to why the Blackmon's were "escorted" off the property and by what type of "escortors"? private? police?

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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[carosello]

Jumpclear- I dont know who Sam Wyly is but even over here in the midwest I knew the Blackmon's were not the "owners". But how do we give credit to the nice lady owner if we dont even know her name?
My only question will this change of management change the availability of the stallions?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jumpclear:
FYI...The sole owner of Stargate is Sam Wyly's daughter. The Blackmon's never owned the farm even though they let people, including the USDF and USA Equestrian. I know all parties involved and IT IS ABOUT TIME! It is a beautiful facility and the owner is an extremely nice lady. She was treated VERY badly and did not deserve it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[ise@ssl]

Equibrit - so what you really want to post here is that you don't like these people and your are glad they lost their jobs. Why not just post that.

I never thought about whether they owned the farm or not - many big farms are not owned by the managers/trainers. Many owners DON'T want to be in the spotlight or identified all the time.

It doesn't affect me who owns or manages Stargate Farm - I don't breed to their stallions. I just get the underlying thread here - is they lost their jobs and some people are happy about that but those who are happy have danced around about saying just that.

[Laurie@CBF]

I am sure that some of the interest is legitimate concern as to what is going to happen with the stallions.

[Sporthorse South]

FWIW, I heard the same thing as Cyriz's Mom about the circumstances surrounding the Blackmons' departure from Stargate (the info came from a boarder at Stargate). I agree that it is a very sad state of affairs, but I have to say that it came as no surprise to those of us who know a bit about the Blackmons' background. They were in our area for a good number of years before taking the Stargate job (in fact, they leased a facility just down the road from us), and there are quite a few of us here who can, ummm, tell some VEDDY interesting stories about them. Actually, it was pretty common knowledge in our area that they were not the owners at Stargate, and a lot of people here are shaking their heads about the fact that - first off, they landed the job with Stargate, and secondly, that they had so many people duped for so long - including (for a while anyway) the "powers that be" at USDF and USAE. Regarding WHY they were let go - maybe had something to do with the fact that they were sponsoring events and awarding contracts (including some regarding the USDF convention and other events ) that had not been authorized by the actual owners. All in all, it's a very unfortunate situation, and I hope that the real owners aren't so soured on the sporthorse world that they close the facility completely, or turn it into a Saddlebred or Paso Fino operation (or whatever).

And, Ilona - I'm not happy one way or the other. Love 'em or hate 'em, Lisa and Jackie could talk a good game, and, on the one hand, they did help turn Stargate into a gorgeous sporthorse facility - thereby providing a wonderful venue for the Wilcox/Hoyos symposium - but on the other hand, I REALLY hate to see people get taken advantage of. However, as my grandmother always said - "everything happens for a reason", and maybe one day we'll figure out the reason for all this.

[talloaks]

Thank you for your explanantion Sporthorse South. Now what I am curious to know at this time, was this facility in existence before the Blackmon's took over as trainers, or was it all constructed at about the same time???? Don't know what is happening in Texas when we're far away in ole Virginny!!

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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[bekind]

I was a boarder, they did not get escorted off the property. They can be there for 4 mths. They still have 14 horses of their own, and will be working on getting a new location. If anyone is interested in contacting Lisa or Jackie you may do so at 940-367-7499 or 940-367-7815.

The actual rider/horse owner of the "real owners" was not interested any more. She only came out 4 times, even during the building process. Nothing has been decided about the horses that Highland Stargate owns. They have a transition team in. The only thing said at the meeting for all boarders this morning is "we will be a boarding facility now".

It is true some of the boarders were scrambling, as the transition team had alot of difficulty. i.e. stallion was turned out next to neighbors mares instead of in the paddocks designed for them.
"Breeding season is over for this year" (they came from a TB farm)

For those who don't get the George Bush- The Wyly's were the 5th largest contributors to his campaign fund.

[jumpclear]

Sporthorse South..As you say..."
I agree that it is a very sad state of affairs, but I have to say that it came as no surprise to those of us who know a bit about the Blackmons' background. They were in our area for a good number of years before taking the Stargate job (in fact, they leased a facility just down the road from us), and there are quite a few of us here who can, ummm, tell some VEDDY interesting stories about them. "

You are very correct. These people have quite a reputation in their wake in Texas and in GA.

Bekkind...Emily didn't come to the barn because she did not feel comfortable or welcome at her own facility. It was/is not for lack of interest. She was very misrable about the situation. Don't believe the stories you hear from your trainer.

[Miss Dior]

Yes it is true that the Blackmons did not own Stargate. Yes it is a holding of the Wyly family. Period. Yes they were terminated with very good cause and lots of it. And as to the "boarder" and turning into a boarding barn, that is misleading information. A new and highly competent management team is now in place. It will remain a client oriented dressage facility, not a "boarding stable". The search is on for a competent dressage instructor, of a significant level, to lead Stargate in the direction it has always wanted to be in. The management team has EXTENSIVE reproduction experience and the stallions remain as previously advertised. Not only is it business as usual, but at least a 1000% improvement in both the competency and quality of the staff has been assured and delivered. There will always be the unhappy few, but you can count them of the fingers of one hand. The commitment is there by the owners of maintaining a world class facility. The Zettl clinic is on. Contact #s are 940-241-1120 refer to Rosalyn.

[Sonesta]

So please tell us who the new management team is!

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[Miss Dior]

If you are interested, I would encourage you to contact the office for the specifics. There is a sizeable management team in place with impeccable credentials that they can review with you.

[Miss Dior]

Just a quick note to clarify, the prior trainers have 120 days to vacate the home on the farm site, but are not allowed in the barns or arenas period. Those areas are exclusively under the control of the new management team and no one else.

[ise@ssl]

Well it appears the breeding business will continues and many of the postings have been either verified or negated.

Perhaps the owners and transition team were waiting to make a public announcement when they had all the details worked out. Perhaps patience in this situation is the missing ingredient.

Whether people like the someone or not - you should consider the owners of the farm might need time to re-group when they make a change in management and not want bits and pieces of information and also mis-information put on BB's like this. Certainly the woman who owns the property deserves this consideration. And quite honestly I still don't know what her political donations have to do with anything at all. Nor does the name & address of where the real estate tax bill goes.

[STF]

No matter what happened, I think it would be only the best to wait until the Blackmond's are out of the facility before someone comes in a starts saying...."Were new, were taking over".....

I feel more for the people in the middle...the boarders, trainers and such! Its a bad situation for them.

"The winds of change.....can sure mess up your hair"


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Breeding Only Champion Bloodlines

[Sporthorse South]

Thank you, Francie. I think my friend has made contact with someone at Stargate regarding Bergamon. I hope everything works out for the best for everyone involved.

[wildcat]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bekind:
I was a boarder, they did not get escorted off the property. They can be there for 4 mths. They still have 14 horses of their own, and will be working on getting a new location. If anyone is interested in contacting Lisa or Jackie you may do so at 940-367-7499 or 940-367-7815.

The actual rider/horse owner of the "real owners" was not interested any more. She only came out 4 times, even during the building process. Nothing has been decided about the horses that Highland Stargate owns. They have a transition team in. The only thing said at the meeting for all boarders this morning is "we will be a boarding facility now".

It is true some of the boarders were scrambling, as the transition team had alot of difficulty. i.e. stallion was turned out next to neighbors mares instead of in the paddocks designed for them.
"Breeding season is over for this year" (they came from a TB farm)

__________

This information sounds like it came from Lisa and Jackie Blackmon's attempt at "damage control". First off, I personally find it hard to believe that the Blackmons "owned" 14 horses. I could believe that there were 14 horses for sale at Stargate which would yield a commission to them, and in a twisted way they claim ownership interest. Or maybe there are 14 boarder's horses who are a source of lesson income to Lisa and so they "belong" to her. Naturally it is in the Blackmon's interest for all boarders to think the place will be poorly managed in the future, with an absentee owner, and nothing going on other than boarding. I would guess that the Blackmon's bread and butter, at least in the immediate future, would come from whatever boarders/students they can take with them.

[Erin]

Simmer down, people.

I think there have been enough unsubstantiated rumors posted already. Let's not get into further speculation or hypotheses about what "really happened," please.

[sunset]

Slightly off the subject - anyone know anything about the stargate sale horse st. simmon?

[Fallbrook]

By ise@ssl--

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I still don't know<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this sums things up nicely for you ise@ssl.

[Sonesta]

I just got off the phone with one of the transition team members. I know her well and can tell you that You can all calm down. The facility will be fine and is in good hands. They will put customer service first and the boarders who choose to stay should be very happy. They will be interviewing new trainers (top FEI levels) soon.

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[HFSH]

Boy - would I love to interview there! But I'm certainly not qualified for their trainer position. What a dream facility tho!

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[Equibrit]

I'm so glad that we have Ilona here to tell us what we "mean" to say and the PC thing to do!

[horsegalriding]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wildcat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bekind:
I was a boarder, they did not get escorted off the property. They can be there for 4 mths. They still have 14 horses of their own, and will be working on getting a new location. If anyone is interested in contacting Lisa or Jackie you may do so at 940-367-7499 or 940-367-7815.

The actual rider/horse owner of the "real owners" was not interested any more. She only came out 4 times, even during the building process. Nothing has been decided about the horses that Highland Stargate owns. They have a transition team in. The only thing said at the meeting for all boarders this morning is "we will be a boarding facility now".

It is true some of the boarders were scrambling, as the transition team had alot of difficulty. i.e. stallion was turned out next to neighbors mares instead of in the paddocks designed for them.
"Breeding season is over for this year" (they came from a TB farm)

__________

This information sounds like it came from Lisa and Jackie Blackmon's attempt at "damage control". First off, I personally find it hard to believe that the Blackmons "owned" 14 horses. I could believe that there were 14 horses for sale at Stargate which would yield a commission to them, and in a twisted way they claim ownership interest. Or maybe there are 14 boarder's horses who are a source of lesson income to Lisa and so they "belong" to her. Naturally it is in the Blackmon's interest for all boarders to think the place will be poorly managed in the future, with an absentee owner, and nothing going on other than boarding. I would guess that the Blackmon's bread and butter, at least in the immediate future, would come from whatever boarders/students they can take with them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Fallbrook]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Equibrit:
I'm so glad that we have Ilona here to tell us what we "mean" to say and the PC thing to do!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Equibrit-

Oh my - she sent me a nasty email! She told me I was wierd (bless her heart http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif - I've been called worse http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

Has anyone else been so blessed or am I the only victim in Ilona's quest to right the wrongs of the horse world?

[Chocolatier]

It's rather funny you should mention that....a few years ago on the wb-sporthorse egroups list a rather interesting email was spamed to everyone. Its really a pity that the yahoo account was deleted as I saved in my favorites to remember someone by. You really learn about people from watching.

Cadbury egg anyone?

"If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate, is that
a balanced diet?"

[ise@ssl]

Gee Fallbrook -
why mis-represent what I emailed - afterall I do have a copy of it you know. What I said was that I thought was just plain weird that you looked up who the real estate tax bill was sent to. LET'S NOT POST MIS-STATEMENTS.

Also I stated here and to you that those of you who seem to dislike the Blackmons NEVER FOR A MOMENT considered the owner of Stargate Farms. "YOu just went off in a rant". It's unfortunate that you just couldn't let the owner re-organize and have the chance to present the FACTS on what was happening. Read back through this thread (Erin even noted) and there's a lot of opinion, conjecture and supposition. Whomever owns Stargate Farms has a BUSINESS. It involves breedings stallions as well as other activities. If someone read the first post here by Chris Hutchings - they would certainly have reason to be upset if they have breeding contracts. Why not let the OWNER - it was noted here she's a very nice person - have a chance to get re-oranized and contact these people directly as the new plan is in place.

Maybe the topic line on the original post should note there are updates.

Jump all over me if you'd like - but put yourself in the place of the OWNER of the farm - who may get feedback from this thread with a great deal of angst about it. I can hear the rumors now "Oh did you hear Stargate Farms closed", "oh no one is responding to questions about breeding to their stallions". Rumors always seem to travel faster than fact.

If you want to "black-eye" the Blackmons then leave Stargate Farms out of it - I'm sure they have enough on their hands with a re-organization of management and breeding season starting - than to hear people are making all kinds of "I heards" on this BB.

The real estate tax bill and political contributions was - IMHO - totally un-necessary. FYI - many commercial real estate tax bills are NOT sent to the owner of the property.

Oh!
And for the records - here is the email I sent to Fallbrook:
"What in God's name does donations to George Bush have to do with the thread on the BB? If you can show me how it's relevant - please do. And what DO YOU KNOW? I think it's just plain weird that you look up people's real estate tax records. Yes just weird.
Mine BTW are paid by myself and my husband ...........and yours?

What happens to the Blackmons - happens. But you southern gals - never ever considered that your posts didn't help the OWNER ONE SINGLE BIT!! "

YOu want to see nasty - look at the posts you and Equibrit have made here - PERSONALLY AGAINST ME. I thought personal remarks were not allowed Erin?

[Equibrit]

Now - don't get your knickers in a twist!
How could you possibly entertain having an opinion on what other people on this board "mean". And as far as I know free speech is still permitted in this country (you obviously think differently) It doesn't much matter where gossip occurs; the fact is that it is going to happen and there is little or nothing you can do about it. Whatever you may think is correct really matters very little to anybody else. So - put your hormones away and please don't preach to others.

[Amy]

Good Lord folks- get a grip!

[ise@ssl]

Sorry Equibrit this isn't about hormones - it's about business.

It's the beginning of breeding season. People are making decisions on which stallions they will breed to and as a mare owner and breeder for 17 years now - I can tell you it's not unusual for people to shy away from situations that may affect the service they receive.

Perhaps this thread should have been What's happening with the Blackmon's - it appears that what is was?

I again ask - how would you feel if you had a HUGE investment in a farm with breeding stallions and you were going through a management change that may or may not be complicated and/or friendly and people who don't identify themselves make observations or report comments from others (also un-identifed) as to what may or may not be happening?? What if people read the first page - had a breeding contract w/check ready to go and thought...."maybe I should re-think this?". Afterall unless they read the entire thread - which very often people don't - they wouldn't have seen that the person interested in one stallion DID get a response.

Also consider we are in a very heated political year and it apparantely seemed relevant to post who the owner of this farm supports politically. Can we have the same information on all farms standing WB stallions - just to make it fair???? Maybe some people don't want to send money that may end up on the Democratic side!!!

Pretty sad the women - would tell women - to get their hormones in check just because they present an opposing point of view.

Gossip certainly does occur but if you CARRY IT - you are PART OF IT.

[Amy]

Call me silly but if I were really interested in a stallion they had at Stargate and I read this thread- I would just pick up the phone and call them to make sure he was still available etc. I don't think this thread would have had me running for the hills or thinking I should pass on him.

[STF]

Can you say PMS?!?!

"The winds of change.....can sure mess up your hair"


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Breeding Only Champion Bloodlines

[Equibrit]

I call 'em as i see 'em.
1) You cannot gag people.
2) Whoever said life is fair?
3) You really should be worrying more about the people talking about YOU - shouldn't you?
4) What does my gender have to do with this?
5) Your sermon was an uninformed over-response to something of very little matter.

[STF]

Hey, at least its not ME getting in a argument this time.... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Glad its someone elses turn!! LOL http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

"The winds of change.....can sure mess up your hair"


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Breeding Only Champion Bloodlines

[This message was edited by STF on Mar. 03, 2004 at 11:50 AM.]

[Equibrit]

NB Argument (spelling)
I would prefer to characterize it as "discussion"!

[STF]

Ummmm - a "discussion"......

That is what I will call mine in the future too.....

Dicussions.....LOL

"The winds of change.....can sure mess up your hair"


http://www.spindletopfarms.com
Breeding Only Champion Bloodlines

[OhioColleen]

Well, I for one have no idea who Stargate Sporthorses are, or anyone involved, but I can see that some people get offended for the slightest reasons....

Oh, the George Bush loves horses... (so there, now we have a reason to mention him)

To you, she's a horse. To me, she's a family member who is big, hairy, walks on all fours and is easily startled.
~Colleen

[ise@ssl]

Ah! And I QUOTE from EQUIBRIT:

"4) What does my gender have to do with this?"

BINGO!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Equibrit]

?????
Well - Thats a complete nonsequitor!

[Amy]

I hear Erin coming http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Lisamarie8]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Equibrit:
5) Your sermon was an uninformed over-response to something of very little matter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought this was very funny. seriously, that's a well structured sentence and it made me giggle http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

--- For relaxing times, make it Suntory time.

[Equibrit]

Thankyou! I'm rather fond of the English language.(When used correctly)

[Erin]

KNOCK IT OFF!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Now. Right this minute. Immediately.

One more snotty post from ANYONE on this thread and it's locked. If you can't discuss things like adults, go elsewhere.

Yeesh. I am constantly amazed at you people... and not in a good way.

[Equibrit]

Have I missed something here?
Are we not practising the art of debate?

[dray]

Kudos to anyone who supports Bush and can own a place as well designed as Star Gate.

Still don't know what politics has to do with it, but it's a positive in my book and a tribute that free enterprise is alive and well and working in America. Hope my hard work pays those kind of dividends. I also look forward to having a new FEI trainer in the neighborhood.

[STF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I also look forward to having a new FEI trainer in the neighborhood. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen!!!

"The winds of change.....can sure mess up your hair"


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Breeding Only Champion Bloodlines

[Beezer]

Dangnabbit! Why didn't anyone tell me that I needed to pull up a chair, make some popcorn and break out the chocolate!?!??! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Did I NOT tell you people to put me on the "train wreck alert" email message group!?!?!?! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Oh, and Ilona, just for the record, NO ONE other than you said that they were contributors to the Bush political machine. What Fallbrook said, clear back on page one, was: "the Wyly Family - brothers Sam and Charles - (big time friends of Dubya)."

Friends. Now, if you choose to believe that Bush's friends are also campaign contributors, so be it. But don't go putting words into Fallbrook's computer. (And before you bother to go looking for it, it is for exact reasons like Fallbrook's experiences that I don't have my email listed in my profile.)

***** Currently assigned to the mouth-gaping, lip-flapping, head-twisting, wood-chewing, boot-shredding phase of baby greenie ownership! *****

[cgcct]

For those of you who are not familiar with Stargate, is is Horse Heaven!! It is the most beautiful place I have ever seen for horses and would be a dream place for any of us. Chandaliers in the isles, marble walls, Tile barn floor -- simply the best of everything. Imagine the fanciest house you have ever seen -- and make it a barn. I just hope that the new management team understands this and opens it up a bit more to the public.

[cgcct]

Actually I think the barn floor is slate... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Nikki^]

That is my dream farm. The indoor is what I would love to have. OMG! That is a gorgeous farm. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I am sad that the owner was treated that way.
Go to the pictures: The slide show is nice:

http://www.stargatesporthorses.com/

Kioko (http://www.geocities.com/area51/crater/5267/HeartofGold.html)

Look up your TB's bloodlines (http://www.dmtc.com/dmtc98/Pedigree/)

What did the five fingers say to the face? SLAP!!!!

[This message was edited by Nikkibaby27 on Mar. 06, 2004 at 03:42 AM.]

[ise@ssl]

Oh Beezer - I never said the owners contributed to Bush - please read the entire thread -
Bekind posted it "For those who don't get the George Bush- The Wyly's were the 5th largest contributors to his campaign fund."

I don't have time to look up who makes contributions to whom. Though I do love GW. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Maude]

#1-Lay off George Bush.
#2-This is why the other disciplines call us DQ's. Next topic,please!

[Lawrence]

I am amazed at the negativity on this thread without fact or information. It has soured me on the sport of dressage if this is a reflection of those who participate in this art. Gossip, gossip, gossip- if you spent as much time learning about the sport and how to be a horseman, you wouldn't have the time or the inclination to contribute to this. Imagine if you were the topic of this thread. I hope you all find something more productive to occupy your time. Good luck to your and your horses. Stargate is a beautiful facility with a lovely staff. This has been a very difficult time for everyone including the horses.

KIND Regards,
Boarder of Stargate Sporthorses

[This message was edited by Lawrence on Mar. 16, 2004 at 11:03 PM.]

[talloaks]

York, how has this been so difficult for the horses at Stargate????

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

www.talloaksfarm.net (http://www.talloaksfarm.net)

[wildcat]

To YORK-
I don't quite understand what you are so upset about regarding "negativity" on this subject. Reading this thread, I see numerous posts mentioning how wonderful the facility at Stargate is and how grateful we all are that the owner has chosen to develop such an environment for dressage riders and their horses. Everyone has expressed concern for the hope that the facility will continue to operate and that the horses will thrive with the new management. The part which involves negativity is the Blackmons. Clearly, the fact that they were asked to leave a facility which was built as a result of their original relationship with the owner, indicates that that relationship turned "negative". Believe it or not, some of us here on the bulletin board have also had similar "negative" experiences with them and, therfore, can empathize with the Stargate owner. This is not gossip. Rather than objecting to people expressing their feelings about being treated badly or being misled, you might concern yourself with the source of the trouble.

[KO]

I hate to break in on all this "fun" but does anyone know about the status of the sale horses? What's the price range of the geldings listed?

[Sonesta]

Ko, be a bit patient. It is my understanding that the sale horses are being re-evaluated to determine at exactly what level they are performing, so that the prices can accurate reflect their abilities. Seems some MIGHT have been a bit over represented and the owner and the new management do not wish to mislead anyone about a horse's abilities.

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[KO]

Thanks Sonesta!!

[tirnanog]

HOLY COW!!!!!! I just saw the slide show of Stargate. That place has my name written all over it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

My signature will not display as intended.

[southernbreezetx]

So how do we contact them now? Do they have a new e-mail address at stargate? Who is the new management team?
Thanks

www.southernbrezesporthorses.com (http://www.southernbrezesporthorses.com)

[Sonesta]

They are following this thread. I know, but have been asked not to make it public just yet while they get organized.

Guys, it might be time to come out in the open. Folks are getting antsy.

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[Castlegate]

Ooooo! Inquiring minds WANT to know!!!!

[Miss Dior]

There is nothing to come out in the open with. There is a barn manager and general manager on staff whom you are free to contact at any time via the main Stargate numbers. They are still in the interview process for trainers. They will announce the management change shortly. But what in the world would make anyone think that these people are going to be instantly recognizable names. Can you name the barn manager and daily staff at any one of the top farms around the country? Probably with few exceptions the answer is no. Stargate already has a very good business. Everyone seems to be forgetting this change is not even two weeks old. And personally as a long time client, I am a bit intrigued by all the interest. We have for many years been lacking many choices in the area for FEI level training and instruction. I say the more the merrier. I am certain that area trainers and potential clients alike realize that a search for talent takes more than a couple of weeks. If I can be patient, why can't everyone else? All the trade mags will see new ads shortly and most definitely when there is something to announce. So new topic please.

[Sonesta]

People are endlessly curious. PLUS, one of the transition team is a COTH member, so .....

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[All4Ceci]

Well, that explains it.........Since last spring, I have contacted Stargate Sport horses on 4 occasions (twice via email and 2 follow up phone calls) in regards to info and video of their stallion "Nassua". I have yet to receive the video, nor any additional information. I was very frustrated because I am probably the most drooling fan they have of this stallion. I was extremely interested in breeding a mare to him, but felt that with the lack of response and professionalism, that I was lucky indeed not to become involved in breeding contracts.
If there is a new management team, I would love to consider him for this year and therefore eagerly await new contact information.

[All4Ceci]

OOOPs, I meant "Nassau" sorry for the spelling error

[2Traks]

Ceci -

I had a similar experience. I e-mailed twice and then figured screw it. There are plenty of other nice stallions out there whose owners are more than happy to get back to a mare owner who's inquiring. My mare goes off for breeding in 2 weeks. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

It was quite interesting that the horse was in the US all last year and little was heard about mares being bred, although I understand he was in quaratine a bit longer than anticipated.

Does anyone know how many foals we will see in North America from their stallion this spring? I saw there was a Bergamon listed in the Vechta Elite auction - looked like a very lovely horse. Good luck to the horse with his new management team.

Krabby Patty anyone?

I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth.

[grass is greener]

Last year we had a lovely Elite Mare Candidate set up to be bred to Bergamon. I had begun my inquiries as soon as news of his importation and had received only positive responses from Jackie Blackmon. After the first of the year, I was told three separate times by Jackie that Bergamon's activation fees had been paid with AHS, but upon checking about that with AHS, learned three separate times that the fees had NOT been paid and that I would not have a registerable foal if the mare was bred before the fees were paid. Finally, on my fourth inquiry, I found that the fees had at last been paid and the stallion activated.

When the time was close to breeding (late March), I called Stargate to notify them. Lisa B informed me that they were shipping semen to Germany and could not be bothered with my mare. She told me I could have frozen semen, or wait until June for fresh. I told her that I could also find another stallion with management that didn't play games. That was my last conversation with them.

I am very glad to hear that there will be new management for this lovely stallion. I am sure that it will be a vast improvement on the previous managers -- or should I say operators. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Nobody likes an old truth-teller

[STF]

Rumors are horrible in our industry.....we all know that - one thing can be twisted into 100 different other gossip trails....

I know that not a lot of people liked the Blackmon's.....from people I knew on the East Coast over to TX. I have only met Lisa in passing and I cant say any negative things about our short "Hello".....

But as a breeder too, its a shame that these stallions were not better represented, as I have been told several ugly stories about people trying to contact them in regards to it.

This is second hand knowledge, as I havent have dealing with them first hand - but I can think of 8 people with the same story, so I dont know how it can be wrong.

I feel sorry for all invloved - mostly the boarders and staff. Imagin how they are feeling.

The new team will hopefully get the place up and running as best a possible and promote and show those stallions and horses to the best of their abilities!

So....out with the old and in with the new.....

"The winds of change.....can sure mess up your hair"


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Breeding Only Champion Bloodlines

[talloaks]

Well, the mystery continues. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif What is the story of the Blackmons and their where abouts???? Anyone know which direction they were heading???? Inquiring minds want to know!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

www.talloaksfarm.net (http://www.talloaksfarm.net)

[suecross]

There is an ad for them in this weeks COTH. I hope you are all subscribers!

[Galileo1998]

Well I got my March 7th issue today but it still had Lisa and Jackie listed as the contacts. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Miss Dior]

Those ads will get you in touch with the new team. Too late to cancel.

[Sonesta]

I just saw Bergamon yesterday at Stargate! Was there for the Walter Zettl clinic (he is MARVELLOUS!) and they presented all the stallions. Bergamon looked fabulous and moved like a dream. They announced that he is available this year for fresh cooled semen for $2000. Contact Stargate for details.

The place looked wonderful and the clinic VERY well prepared and presented.

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[All4Ceci]

Sonesta,
Did they present Nassau? If so, what did you think? I think I will try to have a video sent and hopefully it will arrive this time!!!! He was presented and approved by the AHS (placed 2nd) in 2002. I would appreciate your input....thanks!!

[Sonesta]

All4ceci, Yes, they presented Nassau and he as good as he did at his 100 day testing. But you are mistaken. He was NOT presented to or approved AHS; he was approved ISR/ONA and was reserve champion at the 100 day inspection. He is a nice stallion.

Sonesta Farms (http://www.sonestafarms.com) - breeding Hanoverian, Knabstrupper and Arabian sport horses.&lt;BR&gt;
"Find something you love & call it work."

[Flying horse]

Any updates on this situation?