Pictures of my horse from Equifest 2004! Critique please! [Archive]

slp

Aug. 18, 2004, 07:17 PM

LOL, we wanted a name that started with 'C'; his registered name is Coalminer and we didn't particularly like that. Sire is Corrado I so we thought that Corleone sounded pretty good. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (But I really do like the Godfather movies!)

He's a '97 Holsteiner and this is both of their first year at 3'6"....my daughter has done all of the training herself (well, the trainer was on the ground but she did all of the riding) so it has really been a "growing together" experience these past 2 years. Lots of ups and downs but it is really starting to come together for the 2 of them.

You can't tell that I'm pretty proud of them both can you? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Susan

Serenade

Aug. 18, 2004, 07:50 PM

Becca- You guys look awesome! We miss having you both around the barn already! I guess Barney and I are going to have to step up to fill the 3'6" hunter void... or not. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DraftHorsePower

Aug. 19, 2004, 06:22 AM

wow! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif what an amazing horse! I love him!

nycjumper

Aug. 19, 2004, 10:00 AM

Wow - he's absolutely stunning. Slp - what an accomplishment for your daughter. Her hard work certainly looks like its paid off!

Everclear

Aug. 19, 2004, 10:11 AM

Wow! Your horse is so cute and jumps insanely amazing! I love it!

relocatedTXjumpr

Aug. 19, 2004, 10:21 AM

WOW!!! Amazing!!!

Dare to Dream

Aug. 19, 2004, 10:48 AM

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif He's awesome! Fantastic pics. Heck you don't need a pro riding him - you show him off quite nicely yourself! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JumpinRealHigh

Aug. 19, 2004, 11:37 AM

Our barn was at both shows too!!! Your horse is so cute, as my brother would say "THE BOMB"

Looking on showplaces site, looks like you cleaned up in the Limit Equitation.

Congratulations.....

omuchacha

Aug. 19, 2004, 12:28 PM

What a gorgeous horse!

HSM

Aug. 20, 2004, 05:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by slp:
You can't tell that I'm pretty proud of them both can you? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Susan <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, it's pretty obvious Susan...but with very good reason. They look wonderful!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif No wonder you are such a proud mom! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

slp

Aug. 20, 2004, 06:45 AM

Now the goal for this year is to achieve a full round where every fence looks like those pictures on a somewhat consistant basis. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
But they'll get there soon!
(and BTW, your pictures on your link are great, Willy is adorable!)

Susan

dcm

Aug. 20, 2004, 07:44 AM

lol, Susan, how do you not be consistant, but get consistant photos? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

Riley is awesome, and you know it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif He and Becca are going to be awesome to watch as they get into the program with Melissa. They will only get better. I will expect reports from you next season! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And Becca - congrats to you! You have done an awesome job with him this year! You go girl!

HSM

Aug. 20, 2004, 08:13 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by slp:
(and BTW, your pictures on your link are great, Willy is adorable!)

Susan <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well now, this is turning into an absolute lovefest among the HSM's on the board isn't it! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif But thanks for noticing! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

dcm

Aug. 20, 2004, 08:54 AM

Well, HSM, considering that all three of us are "loosing" our girls in a week, we need all the lovin' we can get! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 20, 2004, 04:51 PM

oh please! come on now! You KNOW you have a great horse thats gonna be a challenge to critique! are u seriously wanting critiques here? or just more comments on how nice he is? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Don't know if this is even a negative thing or if its anything that will even count against him...but the only thing I noticed about the pictures was that when his front legs are up over the fence, his feet slightly come in towards each other, while his knees spread farther away from each other. This is more noticeable in the last two pics. Sorry to take away from ooohhs and ahhhs others are posting http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif , but you ARE asking for critiques. Again, I don't know if its even a bad thing, but then again, not all critiques are negative. Just something I noticed.

findeight

Aug. 20, 2004, 05:21 PM

I'll bite.
Nice horse and all.

BUT, look at where your Pro rider's hands are in comparison to the martingale, then look at where yours are.
Float them a little farther up the neck to show off your nice horse better instead of stuffing them back at the pommel where it looks like you are afraid to release and/or are taking back.

Small detail but you did ask and I think you can smooth it out by doing this like your Pro does.

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 21, 2004, 10:58 AM

JrHunter2006....may I also ask why your showing in the limits AND the Jr. Hunters?? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Anne

Aug. 21, 2004, 11:28 AM

Findeight, I was actually going to say I thought the horse was jumping nicer in the junior hunter pic. Some horses like a little bit shorter release and this helps them not slap out, as I am sure you know. The pro has her hands floating above the crest.

Luv, I'm not familiar with the details of the situation, but a limit division is usually for riders who have not won a certain number of blue ribbons. It is very possible that the rider in this case is eligible for both divisions.

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 21, 2004, 12:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Luv, I'm not familiar with the details of the situation <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Neither am I. Thats why I wanted to ask. She should clarify. However, as someone else had pointed out to me, it just comes across as going for an easy win. I mean, if shes fishing for compliments its kind of a sign that they're insecure about SOMETHING. If they do that, then it wouldn't suprise me if they were to also enter a division they know they'd win just to have more points and a blue ribbon. Plus, just because your eligible doesn't necessarily mean that you should enter it and DEFINETLY doesn't mean your a good rider if you win it. I mean if shes compitent enough to do the Jr. Hunters...then maybe she should think about the beginners who have never won a ribbon in ANYTHING. Thats what the limits are there for! It just leaves those kids with an unfair advantage b/c they're new to showing. Plus, what kind of self gratification is that? You can't possibly walk away feeling your any more talented! That would be like an A/O feeling good cuz they beat out a leadliner! JMO...

Serenade

Aug. 21, 2004, 12:33 PM

Luvmytrak-
Are you saying that only people whose horses have blatantly obvious flaws should post pictures? I think your comment about his knees and findeight's comments about the release were very reasonable, and may be helpful to JrHunter. Just because her horse is clearly very beautiful and talented doesn't mean that they have no room for improvement. Everyone can benefit from outside opinions. Especially in this case, since JrHunter is only 16 and this is the first year showing at 3'6" for both her and her horse.

As far as the Limit division goes, the rule is you can't have won 6 blues. I happen to know JrHunter personally, as we have trained together for several years, and I'm pretty sure they were looking at the Limits as an opportunity to increase the confidence of both horse and rider. Also, if you ever watch a Limit Equitation class at a AA show, you will see many riders turning in nearly perfect rounds on very nice horses. Comparing it to an A/O beating a leadliner is way off the mark.

slp

Aug. 21, 2004, 01:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Serenade:
Luvmytrak-
Are you saying that only people whose horses have blatantly obvious flaws should post pictures? I think your comment about his knees and findeight's comments about the release were very reasonable, and may be helpful to JrHunter. Just because her horse is clearly very beautiful and talented doesn't mean that they have no room for improvement. Everyone can benefit from outside opinions. Especially in this case, since JrHunter is only 16 and this is the first year showing at 3'6" for both her and her horse.

As far as the Limit division goes, the rule is you can't have won 6 blues. I happen to know JrHunter personally, as we have trained together for several years, and I'm pretty sure they were looking at the Limits as an opportunity to increase the confidence of both horse and rider. Also, if you ever watch a Limit Equitation class at a AA show, you will see many riders turning in nearly perfect rounds on very nice horses. Comparing it to an A/O beating a leadliner is way off the mark. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The comments about the knees and the release were both very helpful, the release is something they will be working on next. The top priority they have been focusing on this season has been holding leads and getting over all of the fences, which doesn't happen all of the time....and yes, she was eligible to compete in the Limits as she had NOT won more than the allowed number of blues in equitation classes. This is only her 2nd full year of showing. Seeing that in her previous AA show in the juniors they had an absolute crash and burn 2nd day (and I mean that literally, it took the ground crew 5 min. to rebuild the jump), the trainer felt it beneficial for both of them to do the limits and help increase the confidence for both horse and rider. On the previous day before this photo was taken, her horse hit a slippery spot on a roll-back in the handy hunter class and lost all 4 feet under him, it was a pretty impressive crash. That she was able to jump the next day with confidence after that happened made me very proud of her.
I guess my point is that you can't assume that either horse or rider are always as consistant as one good photo; I'll be happy to share some of the really bad ones if anyone wants to see them (and we have quite a few, which is why she was so happy to finally have a nice one to share.)
And thanks to so many of you for the nice comments...she works her butt off and to see where she was a year ago to where she is getting to now is nice to watch. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Susan

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 21, 2004, 01:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Serenade
Working Hunter

Mood of the topic. posted Aug. 21, 2004 03:33 PM
Luvmytrak-
Are you saying that only people whose horses have blatantly obvious flaws should post pictures? I think your comment about his knees and findeight's comments about the release were very reasonable, and may be helpful to JrHunter. Just because her horse is clearly very beautiful and talented doesn't mean that they have no room for improvement. Everyone can benefit from outside opinions. Especially in this case, since JrHunter is only 16 and this is the first year showing at 3'6" for both her and her horse. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, but in this case it just came across that way. You would be naive to think that the people who post pics like that of horses like that are all actually looking for constructive critisism and not just covering one big brag by saying "critique me"...hence why, after all the "aww what a nice horse comments" and someone ACTUALLY sees a flaw and points it out...some of the OPs get all defensive b/c u just didn't make over their horse. You just have to look at it the way some of us did and how it seemed from a person who may not know her...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> As far as the Limit division goes, the rule is you can't have won 6 blues. I happen to know JrHunter personally, as we have trained together for several years, and I'm pretty sure they were looking at the Limits as an opportunity to increase the confidence of both horse and rider. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair arguement...however, thats in a perfect world. In a perfect world, people would have harmless intentions like that. again though, you have to look at from the angle of someone who doesn't know her. The rated showing world is filled with people who will do anything (cheating, winning the easy way, beating the system somehow) just to chase and build the points. So, to someone who doesn't know her, its fair to wonder if thats really the only reason she is showing in the limits. Plus, I also wonder why she would show in the limits to build confidence for a 3'6" division. If thats the division you need more confidence for...then shouldn't you be practicing more in THAT division? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif If that was the case for me, i'd do the 3'6" classes at a schooling show or something until I felt confident enough to do the 3'6" at a rated show. Again...just something to think about...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Also, if you ever watch a Limit Equitation class at a AA show, you will see many riders turning in nearly perfect rounds on very nice horses. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure, but you gotta wonder how many of those have those perfect rounds b/c they've been practicing at that level to make it perfect (since thats where they rightfully are at in their training)...or how many just come in from a higher level to sweep up the points.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Comparing it to an A/O beating a leadliner is way off the mark. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, I'll give you that. That was a bad example as its a lil drastic...but same principal.

What I REALLY wanna know is...does the thing with his knees count against him? Cuz I've seen a lot of horses do that.

Serenade

Aug. 21, 2004, 02:09 PM

Luvmytrak-
I can see what you mean about how it might look to someone who doesn't know her. That's why I decided to jump in and come to her defense. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think slp's post explains why they decided to enter a 2'6" class to get their confidence back. I think that with so many people choosing to show at the 2'6" or 3' levels at A shows for extended periods of time, it's admirable that JrHunter had the nerve to move up to the 3'6" this year. If she'd stayed in the Children's Hunters for another season, she'd be cleaning up in the ribbons, but she decided instead to show in an extremely competitive division because she wants to be the best rider she can be.

Guess all I'm trying to say is, while there are many people who will stay in low divisions and do anything they can just to get a ribbon, JrHunter is certainly not one of them.

As for knees question, I know that if they actually cross their lower legs it's bad, but I have no idea if what Riley is doing would be considered a flaw. My baby green hunter and I aren't ready to worry about the finer details just yet! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anne

Aug. 21, 2004, 02:23 PM

WOW! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Luvmytrakehner, way to be harsh about someone you admittedly don't even know!!!

ChampionMercedes

Aug. 21, 2004, 03:02 PM

Rileys looks great Becca! Way to go http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I look forward to watching you two clean up next year!

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 21, 2004, 04:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Anne
Grand Prix

Mood of the topic. posted Aug. 21, 2004 05:23 PM
WOW! Eek Luvmytrakehner, way to be harsh about someone you admittedly don't even know!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think, Anne, you should probably re read my posts b/c I never once "passed judgement" and said "JrHunter2006 IS this way or that way"...I specifically said that thats how things came across to someone who might not know how she is.

Anyway, I still wonder about the leg thing

Chicago Mom

Aug. 21, 2004, 06:54 PM

After reading this post, I am appauled by it's content.

First off, let me just say that each and every exhibitor is REQUIRED to know the rules regardless of what personal preference (whether right or wrong) may be.

Not all shows have the same guidelines/rules for each class, it is up to the exhibitors to know.

Let me just say this, my daughter competed in the limits and was CHEATED out of her EARNED prize by someone who obviously did NOT belong in the LIMIT DIVISION.

SHAME ON YOU!!!!! Unfortunately, we can not retract what has already happened. It is your obligation now to rectify this situation.

For those who were not fimiliar with the rules from Equifest Prize lists, here it is....Equifest Prize list (http://www.showplaceproductions.com/acrobat/EquifestBook2004.pdf). The Limit's are on PAGE 17.

I will be contacting Pat Boyle myself.

In the future, might I suggest you stick to your division regardless of your excuse. There is no reason for a 3'6 Junior Hunter to be showing in the Limits, confidence or not!!!

Gravie

Aug. 21, 2004, 08:59 PM

The rider in all the pictures is jumping ahead A TON. The horse is gorgeous, but the rider is pincing with her knee (thus a dangerous situation should the hores refuse: she'll go flying and eat some wood). Her crest release isn't really a crest-release at all: more like a mix-thing. Her hands should be resting on the side of his crest, and not on top. The line from the horse's mouth to her elbow is broken, and her reins seem loose. I think she could use just a hair more foot in the stirrup, and the angle her foot is pointing out is a bit large. She's looking ahead, which is great. It's hard for me to get past just how much she's jumping out of the saddle, though, and how intensely she's pinching with her knees. Her horse might have a thrusty jump, hard to tell, but she shhould wait for his jump to push her up, not compensate for it by jumping ahead herself. :P

I religiously read GM's equitation column in PH. I have about 40 columns that I've just memorized, practically. :P

GORGEOUS horse, though. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Chicago Mom

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by slp:

As far as the Limit division goes, the rule is you can't have won 6 blues. I happen to know JrHunter personally, as we have trained together for several years, and I'm pretty sure they were looking at the Limits as an opportunity to increase the confidence of both horse and rider.
Susan <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For those who don't have adobe reader, this is what the prize lists says.

"OPEN TO ALL JUNIOR UNDER THE AGE OF 18 WHO ARE IN THEIR FIRST YEAR OF SHOWING WHO ARE IN THEIR FIRST YEAR OF SHOWING STARTING DECEMBER 1 2003"

Consiously, does this fit your daughter

dcm

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:04 AM

Just want to add my 2 cents to the limit issue.

It looks to me like the limit div and the maiden div are swapped in the prize list. Here in Michigan, limit eq is no more than 6 blue ribbons in eq regardless of the # years showing, plus it is 3', not 2'6. slp and her dtr jrhunter are from MI, and I know them both. Neither are out to chase ribbons, especially with Riley being green and this being jrhunter's first year at 3'6.

So, Chicago, I highly doubt that anything was done on purpose to cheat your kid out of a ribbon, so get off your high horse.

My own dtr rides the limit divisions here in MI and competes in jr hunters. It is her first year at 3'6 and she can ride a jr hunter class very well, but call it equitation and she leaves her brain at the gate. Since she does not wish to have a bad experience at 3'6, she pretty much chooses to do the 3' limit eqs. No one who has seen her do a 3'6 eq class has tried to take that away from her.

There is a lot of confidence issues going from 3' to 3'6, and a rider who is not confident at 3'6 can ruin a nice horse with one fence. Jrhunter is young (under 15), so switching divisions where she is qualified to do either should not be a problem, even for the parents of other riders in the lower divisions.

Chicago Mom

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcm:

So, Chicago, I highly doubt that anything was done on purpose to cheat your kid out of a ribbon, so get off your high horse.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get off my high horse!!! It wasn't your daughter who was CHEATED out of her deserved ribbons.

How do they look on your wall. Remember my daughter every time you admire them.

We will be watching for you in Chicago to show again, and trust me, the MANAGEMENT team and I will be watching you!!!!

Chicago Mom

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcm:
There is a lot of confidence issues going from 3' to 3'6, and a rider who is not confident at 3'6 can ruin a nice horse with one fence. Jrhunter is young (under 15), so switching divisions where she is qualified to do either should not be a problem, even for the parents of other riders in the lower divisions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes there are ALOT of confidence issues going from 3' to 3'6. And that is why their are schooling classes. This rider rode in them both weeks, all of them, not just one....

How upset would you be if this was your daughter??

Smiles

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:23 AM

I was wondering why she also rode in the limit? Now I think the horse looks great and I have no prblems with people showing in other classes to get more milage, but your daughter should have shown in unrestricted child/adult hunter or modified child/adult hunter. These class have no restrictions and the fences are 2.9ft to 3.0ft. Limit is a division for kids that need the milage before the start showing in the childrens hunter not junior hunter. I guess I can understand chicago moms frustrations. I'm sure you guys were not out to sweep the division, but she's got a point.

dcm

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chicago Mom:
How upset would you be if this was your daughter?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Knowing the people involved, not really at all. If I did not know the people, then I would shrug my shoulder and say 'oh well'.

You are getting quite upset over this. Does your dtr know? Is your dtr as upset? Or are you just the one upset? You have to ask yourself these questions.

Pony+ an inch

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Smiles:
I was wondering why she also rode in the limit? Now I think the horse looks great and I have no prblems with people showing in other classes to get more milage, but your daughter should have shown in unrestricted child/adult hunter or modified child/adult hunter. These class have no restrictions and the fences are 2.9ft to 3.0ft. Limit is a division for kids that need the milage before the start showing in the childrens hunter not junior hunter. I guess I can understand chicago moms frustrations. I'm sure you guys were not out to sweep the division, but she's got a point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are riders and horses that are ready for the Junior/A/O hunters. But sometimes one or both of the pair has a bad day with confidence issues. That's when you take it one step down and work up from there at a show. That's just my two cents worth...

Smiles

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pony+ an inch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Smiles:
I was wondering why she also rode in the limit? Now I think the horse looks great and I have no prblems with people showing in other classes to get more milage, but your daughter should have shown in unrestricted child/adult hunter or modified child/adult hunter. These class have no restrictions and the fences are 2.9ft to 3.0ft. Limit is a division for kids that need the milage before the start showing in the childrens hunter not junior hunter. I guess I can understand chicago moms frustrations. I'm sure you guys were not out to sweep the division, but she's got a point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are riders and horses that are ready for the Junior/A/O hunters. But sometimes one or both of the pair has a bad day with confidence issues. That's when you take it one step down and work up from there at a show. That's just my two cents worth... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But thats what unrestricted child/adult hunter and modified hunter are for. 2.9ft to 3.0ft division with no restriction. Limit has restrictions on it. Thats all I'm saying, I'm not diffending either party. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Chicago Mom

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:05 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcm:

Knowing the people involved, not really at all. If I did not know the people, then I would shrug my shoulder and say 'oh well'.

You are getting quite upset over this. Does your dtr know? Is your dtr as upset? Or are you just the one upset? You have to ask yourself these questions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

UPSET isn't the word, and yes my daughter is aware of this!!!! It's hard to hold emotions so that your family doesn't see.

I did a google search out of curiosty, both rider and horse, came up with results from Michigan orginaztion. Here's the link Look Here (http://www.hjam.net/results/050604_hjam_16th_welcome_horse_show.htm). Click on 2003 Championships and it brings up 2002 results. She was 4th year end in the limits then in 2002. Then to make matters worse Here (http://www.hjam.net/champions_2003.pdf), she was lst in 2003 in the Limit Medal.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to defend your friend but this is just plain WRONG!!!!! This girl has been showing in the Limits since 2002.

And I shouldn't be upset?????

Chicago Mom

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:09 AM

I am also going to file a grevience with USEF!!!

Sorry Rebecca, but you have to know how unfair this is....

By the way, your horse is awesome.....(since that is the topic here)

Chicago Mom

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:14 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcm:

Knowing the people involved, not really at all. If I did not know the people, then I would shrug my shoulder and say 'oh well'.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have to laugh at your comment....it's not everyday we sacrifice our vacation time, time away from our other siblings and husband to "Just Shrug My Shoulder And Say Oh Well"
but I'm glad you think we should!!!!

PlusTax

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:52 AM

chicago mom- it's people like you who give horse show moms a bad name http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

My mom used to always come to me with shows and she was proud of me whether or not I won or lost. Even if I was clearly cheated out of a ribbon, she taught me that it was just part of life. She would let me go home and bitch about it then she would just say "well remember that time you had a not great course and won?" then I would shut up. Yes, unfair things happen in these divisions. Just wait until your daughter moves out of the beginner classes and starts showing against the juniors who will win with missed lead changes as long as they ride with a BNT. Just wait until she goes to Indoors, has the course of her life, and doesn't even get a jog. Or when she does the childrens jumpers against former grand prix horses.

I'm sorry but you're teaching your daughter a horrible lesson by being such a poor sport and you need to seriously reconsider how you're acting.

I'm NOT saying that it's ok for the original girl to be showing in a divisino she's no longer eligible for. If it was a misunderstanding then I'm sure it won't happen again. If she did know then hopefully she'll see that it wasn't fair and she'll stop.

By the way, was your daughter second to this girl or are you just assuming that it was all her fault that she didn't do well? If it was the former, then chill out and congratulate your daughter on good ribbons anyway. If it was the latter than all your posts about her being cheated are irrelevent.

slp

Aug. 22, 2004, 10:09 AM

Chicago Mom, our trainer specifically checked directly with Pat Boyle who informed him that is was a typo in the prize list; maiden equitation was supposed to be the "first year of showing". I specifically questioned my trainer about this because I was concerned as well. If there was confusion about this issue between our trainer and the show manager and our trainer was given the wrong information, it was not my daughters fault. She would NEVER compete in a division that she was not eligible for and I resent the accusation that she did it intentionally just to win some easy ribbons in an unrated division.
And my daughter was well within the 6 blue ribbon requirement; I think she had won a limit class ONCE here in Michigan. Yes she was champion of a Limit Medal division in 2003 for HJAM but she managed to do that without ever winning the class; she had a lot of 2nd places which gave her enough points to get a year end championship. The previous year which was her first year of showing she was 4th in the year end awards for Limit Flat with only competing in 3 shows. Know how many people were in the limit division in Michigan that year? FIVE.
I'm sorry you are so upset with this but nobody was intentionally competing in a division in order to get an "easy ribbon". If you had been watching the classes you might have noticed that she had a stop in one of them and the horse had a bucking fit in another. You probably didn't notice the elimination for refusals in the previous show. As a previous poster said, there were definately confidence issues that required a step backward so they could both go forward, and I was told by our trainer that there was no question she was eligible for the division, per show management.
I'll have my daughter lock this topic so that it doesn't cause any more controversy.

HSM

Aug. 22, 2004, 10:54 AM

Before this thread is closed (and I don't blame you for doing so - sheesh! Nuff said on THAT!) I just want to commend Kelsey for her mature attitude; well done! And Kelsey, you should thank your mom for doing such a good job with you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Horseshowaddict

Aug. 22, 2004, 11:08 AM

I know this sounds super dumb, but I am not really familiar with the "Limit" and "restricted" divisions (the most we have around here is like, pre-child/adult, and baby-green stuff). Aren't divisions like this created for someone who needs a confidence boost, or for a horse that needs a little extra ring time before their main division? Is there really a battle for ribbons and points in these divisions, or are they as well practice divisions for a more green rider/horse?

Trixie

Aug. 22, 2004, 11:15 AM

PlusTax - you nailed it.

My mother would never do this, and bless her heart for never doing this - life's unfair and sometimes you lose. I learned this lesson and many others from riding horses. You can learn something from everything that you do and grow from it, or you can act like this and be a lesser person.

That's why I suggest that everyone wait tables at some point in their life.

ClemsonGraduateRider

Aug. 22, 2004, 12:44 PM

Wow Chicago Mom, you need a Valium quick. I second everything Kelsey said. How can this be a good lesson that you are teaching your daughter? Teaching her to be a sore loser? Wow she is going to be a hit in high school with that attitude. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Tap2Tango

Aug. 22, 2004, 12:47 PM

Chicago Mom, Good grief! If you were my mother I'd be embarassed to bring you out in public!!! Settle yourself!
Slp, your daughters horse is lovely! Don't let the crazy ones get to ya! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sparky

Aug. 22, 2004, 12:52 PM

Kelsey, kudos to your parents for the job they have done teaching you what really matters in life, and three cheers to you for getting it http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I'm a show mom ( and show grandma, now) and cringe at the attitude displayed by chicagomom.

ChampionMercedes

Aug. 22, 2004, 02:41 PM

LimoWrek

Aug. 22, 2004, 04:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chicago Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcm:

So, Chicago, I highly doubt that anything was done on purpose to cheat your kid out of a ribbon, so get off your high horse.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get off my high horse!!! It wasn't your daughter who was CHEATED out of her deserved ribbons.

How do they look on your wall. Remember my daughter every time you admire them.

We will be watching for you in Chicago to show again, and trust me, the MANAGEMENT team and I will be watching you!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>'

You are a jerk. Do you come across as one in real life, or is it just on the internet?

LimoWrek

Aug. 22, 2004, 04:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chicago Mom:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcm:

Knowing the people involved, not really at all. If I did not know the people, then I would shrug my shoulder and say 'oh well'.

You are getting quite upset over this. Does your dtr know? Is your dtr as upset? Or are you just the one upset? You have to ask yourself these questions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

UPSET isn't the word, and yes my daughter is aware of this!!!! It's hard to hold emotions so that your family doesn't see.

I did a google search out of curiosty, both rider and horse, came up with results from Michigan orginaztion. Here's the link http://www.hjam.net/results/050604_hjam_16th_welcome_horse_show.htm. Click on 2003 Championships and it brings up 2002 results. She was 4th year end in the limits then in 2002. Then to make matters worse http://www.hjam.net/champions_2003.pdf, she was lst in 2003 in the Limit Medal.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to defend your friend but this is just plain WRONG!!!!! This girl has been showing in the Limits since 2002.

And I shouldn't be upset????? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lady, get a grip. It is just a horse show.

GirlNextDoor

Aug. 22, 2004, 04:29 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chicago Mom:
I am also going to file a grevience with USEF!!!

Sorry Rebecca, but you have to know how unfair this is....

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think if you are going to get this worked up about a limit equitation division...maaaybe horse showing isn't the sport/hobby for you or your daughter. I can't imagine being so distraught over something so petty.

I hope you go on to show this 16 year old just how wrong she is http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

gummibear

Aug. 22, 2004, 05:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Chicago Mom:
....it's not everyday we sacrifice our vacation time, time away from our other siblings and husband to "Just Shrug My Shoulder And Say Oh Well"
but I'm glad you think we should!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well cry me a river. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Thousands of horse show moms and dads make this sacrifice week after week, and I can say that in all my years around this business I've yet to see someone react as irrationally as you over an insignificant non-rated division. And IF there was an error in the original poster participating in the wrong division, it sounds like a trainer screw-up to me, so why you feel the need to take it out on a kid who was probably doing exactly what her trainer told her to is beyond me.
Are you only happy with your daughter's perfomance when she wins? Get over it and get over yourself, or else find a different sport because you'll never last in this one. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif
GB

Hot Tulip

Aug. 22, 2004, 05:31 PM

My goodness Chicago Mom, I can understand your feelings up to a point.
This is the "name of the game" in showing, some days you win and some days you lose.
I too give up everything to show and yes, the show ring can be unfair at times.
There will be better riders, better horses and people who have more money than you. If you can't understand this, I suggest your daughter take up badmitton or ping pong.

gwen

Aug. 22, 2004, 05:44 PM

wow! so what happened to a limit rider wanting to improve herself. so what if she didn't "win". is it always about the color ribbon like you think it is? that's a great value to instill in her. she'll only be good with a blue ribbon....hmmmmmm....glad my mom wasn't like that with me.

if my daughter decides to ride and i become like you, then shoot me!

gwen

Aug. 22, 2004, 05:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JRHunter2006:
Here are some pictures of my horse from Equifest this year. The pro rider riding him in the Green Comformation Hunters is Maggie Gould, and she did an AWESOME job on him! I have to say that Lamplight is by far my favorite place to show!

http://www.picturetrail.com/horse_girl <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

by the way, your horse is absolutely adorable...enjoy him and good luck!

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 22, 2004, 05:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Chicago Mom
Greenie

Mood of the topic. posted Aug. 21, 2004 09:54 PM
After reading this post, I am appauled by it's content.

First off, let me just say that each and every exhibitor is REQUIRED to know the rules regardless of what personal preference (whether right or wrong) may be.

Not all shows have the same guidelines/rules for each class, it is up to the exhibitors to know.

Let me just say this, my daughter competed in the limits and was CHEATED out of her EARNED prize by someone who obviously did NOT belong in the LIMIT DIVISION.

SHAME ON YOU!!!!! Unfortunately, we can not retract what has already happened. It is your obligation now to rectify this situation.

For those who were not fimiliar with the rules from Equifest Prize lists, here it is....Equifest Prize list. The Limit's are on PAGE 17.

I will be contacting Pat Boyle myself.

In the future, might I suggest you stick to your division regardless of your excuse. There is no reason for a 3'6 Junior Hunter to be showing in the Limits, confidence or not!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you all may think chicagomom is over reacting...but I agree with her %100! You shell out gobs and gobs of money just to be cheated by someone like JrHunter2006?! I'm sorry, but she should go down! Its people like HER who give the horse show world a bad rep! Not people like chicagomom who play fair and then get screwed out of their time and money by someone whos all about winning!

gwen

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:04 PM

well from your relpy it sounds like chicagomom's all about winning too then!

mademoiselle

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:23 PM

Is it real ? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

It can't be April fool (way to late ...), so you must be real, Chicagomom.
Why is your daughter showing ? just to win blue ribbons and champion titles ? if it's the only goal, then it's very sad ...

This year I have won a bunch of shows and I still was not happy. I don't care about being thes best of the show or whatever, what I want is to improve my riding and feel that my horse is going better and better everytime. I want to be the best by my standards.
Blue ribbons are nice, but a great ride is even better.

Actually, maybe I'm crazy, but I don't care about ribbons. My husband had a fit a while ago when he saw the ribbons of my last show in the trash (I don't think they look pretty in my living room). Well, he told that for the kind of money we're spending to get this freaking pieces of fabric, I couldn't throw them away. So, now they are in my trailer http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
If the ribbons are all you're interested in, let me know which color your daughter should have deserved and I will send you a bunch of them.

Honnestly, the kid probably didn't choose the classes she rode in, so if you want to blame somebody, then blame the trainer.

Actually, I thought that it was pretty cool that a junior trained her horse from scratch and managed to show at this kind of level. I can also relate that riding a 'green' horse is like a roller coaster ride, some days are good some are bad, and sometimes you need to do whatever it takes to build their confidence.

I'm less chocked by this kid riding in this class than I'm by a kid riding a 6 figures push button that is 'specially' prepared by a trainer and clean up all the classes.

So, sorry if your daughter could have won, it means that she probably had a good ride and you should be proud of that.

Please set the example for your daughter.

GirlNextDoor

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:27 PM

LuvMyTak-
are you ChicagoKid or just equally as crazy as this family seems?

mademoiselle

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:27 PM

I fogot the most important thing :

What a nice horse on the pictures, very impressive ...

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:28 PM

I don't think it was about winning for her. I think she still would be upset even if her dtr was to only get 5th...its the principal of the thing. I mean you do spend all this money to compete against someone at YOUR LEVEL and not to get beat out by someone who doesn't belong in that division. (Even though they technically "qualify" they know deep down they're too advanced for it!)

mademoiselle

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:31 PM

Next w-e, I'm competing on my greenie against my students and you know what, they probably gonna place better than I do ...

Riding a green horse is usually enough of a challenge to give a 'fair' chance to the other riders.

Anne

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:33 PM

LuvmytrakehnerWB, now you need to go back and read the thread. The descriptions are reversed in the prizelist. The rider in question IS eligible for the limit division and is entirely within her rights to show in it according to the horse show manager. You said "(Even though they technically "qualify" they know deep down they're too advanced for it!)" HOW on God's green earth do you know that the rider is "too advanced"? Who made you the arbiter of horse show definitions and descriptions? That's a mighty harsh assumption for you to make. You don't even know this poor girl, and you are lambasting her!

I don't understand why you people are getting your panties in such a wad over this. Luv, you have no horse in this fight since you live nowhere near the horse show in question and don't know the OP. How do you know that ChicagoMom's kid is "playing fair"? It's an internet BB, for God's sake, and people may not be as they appear. It also doesn't sound like this kid showed in the limits for easy ribbons. Did you catch the part about the stop and the bucking fit?

ChicagoMom, if the OP had a stop and a bucking fit in the limits as her mom described, then it sounds to me that she wasn't stealing ribbons from your kid, unless your kid's trips were even more dismal than that! I feel sorry for your child!

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>GirlNextDoor
Working Hunter

Mood of the topic. posted Aug. 22, 2004 09:27 PM
LuvMyTak-
are you ChicagoKid or just equally as crazy as this family seems?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I am not chicagokid...however, I just happen to agree with what shes saying! I don't think thats "crazy" http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ...I just personally don't have the disposable income to just throw away money at a show to some insecure kid who wants to win the division the easy way, while I'm not only spending my money, but working my butt off in the rightful division. Lets face it..."she wants to feel more confident" is just a mask for saying "she wants to be able to win, so shes going to do two divisions so that way when she doesn't do good in the one, she can at least win in the other thats shes done a million times." I still don't understand why she does the limits if she wants confidence for the 3'6"s?! She ain't getting confidence over a 3'6" fence if shes jumping smaller fences in the limits! Shes just gaining more confidence over the little fences! She should be practicing what shes going to show in if she wants more confidence for that one! It makes nooo sence and it just doesn't add up!

Anne

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:42 PM

You're not her trainer, and it doesn't need to make sense to you. Butt out.

If she "won the division" with a stop and a bucking fit, I would be mighty surprised.

luvmytrakehnerwb

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>HOW on God's green earth do you know that the rider is "too advanced"? Who made you the arbiter of horse show definitions and descriptions? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well...she was 1st in the limit medals! Isn't THAT a sign shes beyond that?! I know my trainer would always move me on once I won...so that OTHER kids could get a chance!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Luv, you have no horse in this fight since you live nowhere near the horse show <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cuz its ppl who do the things shes doing that piss me and so many other honest competitors off! I'm sorry, but no matter what you say Anne, or anyone else...it all doesn't add up and looks really shaddy! I mean, she competed in the both divisions in one week?! Hmm shes obviously confident enough to do the 3'6" too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif come on people lets use your brain here and put two and two together! Frankly, I think it becomes everyone in the horse show worlds buissness if someones up to no good and not competing the way they should! It effects everyone who spends their time and money!

Erin

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:49 PM

Erm, I think it's a pretty tried-and-true method to show at a lower level when you need to build confidence.

At any rate, can we please try to keep the disagreement civil? There's no reason for name-calling.

GirlNextDoor

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:51 PM

Luv-
Glad to see you seem to be an expert on this girl you have never met. Really it is amazing that you judge her character so easily by reading a singular post on an internet BB. Genius.

Leave the poor kid alone. Believe me, it is not fun to be a kid being attacked by strangers on a BB.

Ghazzu

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by luvmytrakehnerwb:
...then maybe she should think about the beginners who have never won a ribbon in ANYTHING. Thats what the limits are there for! .. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought that was what *maiden* was for...

gwen

Aug. 22, 2004, 06:55 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by luvmytrakehnerwb:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>HOW on God's green earth do you know that the rider is "too advanced"? Who made you the arbiter of horse show definitions and descriptions? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well...she was 1st in the limit medals! Isn't THAT a sign shes beyond that?! I know my trainer would always move me on once I won...so that OTHER kids could get a chance!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Luv, you have no horse in this fight since you live nowhere near the horse show <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cuz its ppl who do the things shes doing that piss me and so many other honest competitors off! I'm sorry, but no matter what you say Anne, or anyone else...it all doesn't add up and looks really shaddy! I mean, she competed in the both divisions in one week?! Hmm shes obviously confident enough to do the 3'6" too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif come on people lets use your brain here and put two and two together! Frankly, I think it becomes everyone in the horse show worlds buissness if someones up to no good and not competing the way they should! It effects everyone who spends their time and money! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

up to no good? i'll put two and two together. she is building confidence with her horse...i surely wouldnt want to jump 3'6 on a horse who is bucking and stopping...that would sure scare me as a young teenager so the 3 foot is perfect! that's what i would do...do you know how many people show over the smaller jumps to get confidence with a new or difficult horse? just about the whole world!

elizabeth

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Anne:
HOW on God's green earth do you know that the rider is "too advanced"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uh, girlfriend (jrhunter2006) is showing in the junior hunters (3'6''). That would be my first clue that she's too advanced for the 2'9'' division.

Where I come from, it would be odd, at best, to see the same riders in the limit class after they had already been competing in the jr. hunters. Even if you COULD do it, within the rules, it would kind of. . . smell odd.

I actually think the OP, her mom, and Chicago mom are all not doing themselves any favors in terms of convincing the world that they are not bizzarely concerned with horse shows. Chicago mom is, in my view, in the right, to be sure. But I'm not sure, if I were a mom, that I'd get so passionate on a horsebackriding internet BB. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GirlNextDoor

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> I actually think the OP, her mom, and Chicago mom are all not doing themselves any favors in terms of convincing the world that they are not bizzarely concerned with horse shows. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't see what the OP and her mom should be saying intead of what they are saying.

Actually, the OP hasn't even responded to all this craziness--mad props to her in my mind.

I think the mother of the OP is really just trying to defend her daughter from internet folks. And in my mind, she seems to be the one who is right http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JumpinRealHigh

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:37 PM

Soooooooooooo, I qualify for the Hunt Seat Medal say first 2 shows, but I am having difficulty so in order to boost my confidence, I show in the Hunt Seat Class even tho I qualified, but this is okay because I need the confidence, RIGHT!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

I know it's an exgaration, but it's the same thing.

Anne

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:44 PM

Um, JumpinRealHigh, I'm not sure what your point is. Some medals allow riders to continue to compete in the class even after they have qualified for the finals.

GirlNextDoor

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:46 PM

I can't see how that is the same thing at all. It is a major exageration.

I don't see how the kid was wrong here. She needed practice on an eq course but was having a hard time with 3'6 medals...sooo she does a 3ft eq division...people want to tar and feather her WHY?

Obviously the show management had no problem with this. It is not the job of the COTH BB to decide whether the 16 year old kid's decision to show in the limit eq was ethical or not.

dcm

Aug. 22, 2004, 07:46 PM

Dangit, I am so mad at some of you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif You are referring to a 14 & under kid who has brought not only herself, but her very young and immature warmblood to 3'6 for the first time, for both of them. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif You have most likely done more harm to this kid calling her a cheat than any stops, bucks, or crashes on course have done. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif She's a young teen for God's sake. She's trained herself and her horse for 3'6, and this is their first year trying!!

Shame on all of you for this. Its not like its the first time, either.

I know another 14 & u you people ripped apart last year. And you will be remembering who she is in the big eqs the next couple of years.

None of you know this kid, her circumstances, or her ability levels. Many riders, child and adult, take a step down for confidence issues. This is not even two hunter divisions!! Its a hunter and an eq division!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Good gawd people, get a life!

Oh, and another thing....if any of you decide to throw in the pro-ride in the conf hunters, lemme tell you something before you even start: those are catch rides. This kid has done this training without her own trainer sitting on her horse at all. Any pro rides this horse gets are catch rides in the pro divisions for a tune and to focus his mind on the show.

Cindeye

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:05 PM

This is the most embarrassing thread I've ever read. What started as a nice thread about a very cute horse and rider turned into a vitrolic rant by some uber-witches who have nothing better to do with their time than to threaten and bash a child.

The first two critique posts that offered constructive suggestions were very well received by the mother of this rider. The mother's explanations of why the child was showing Limit was answered not once, but twice. Her explanation seemed perfectly reasonable to me and I have a child who rides Maiden and Limit.

I hope I never sink to this level or teach my child to behave in this fashion.

Junior2006 -- I say again that you and your horse look super. I hope you won't feel too hurt by the subsequent discussion which, in my opinion, was way out of line.

RoXyJK5

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:15 PM

First off...You're horse is absolutely stunning! You are a very happy mommy I'm sure! Best of luck with him and I'm sure you'll have a blast!

Edited because I didnt' read all 5 pages. Just because someone shows in limit/jr/and has a pro do them in 1st years doesn't mean they're looking for an easy win. Perhaps they needed a div. to school in... I do it all the time...I did Maiden on a horse I'd never ridden before just so I could school him for the rest of my large pony divisions...And the pro obviously would be in the show as well if the horse is moving up. Most ppl do. And most of the time they place higher as the fences go up. They tend to jump a lot better anyways. Just suck it up and move on. I mean you payed for the judges opinion. No one says you have to like it or agree with it. I've never seen someone get so upset because THEY'RE opinion was different than the PERSON THEY PAID'S OPINION. Next time use your OWN judgement about going to the show.

But the sportsman like thing to do is go and have fun, because that is what this is about. Ribbons are an added bonus...never to be expected. I hope you don't whine every time she doesn't get first...that is pathetic. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

Just enjoy it for what it's worth.

dropitlikeitshot

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:38 PM

Funniest... thread... EVER.

Thanks for keeping things interesting http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BTW~ Gravie, good try on the critique. Even if anyone had noticed and responded, it's just the way Eq riders ride nowadays. We just have to ignore it an hope it goes away.

SAM

Aug. 22, 2004, 08:45 PM

[QUOTE]

Good gawd people, get a life!

QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly! DCM I'm very sorry that you and your daughter have to deal with crazies on the internet but remember sticks and stones. These people do not know you or your daughter from a hole in the wall. You have nothing to prove to them. It's amazing how an innocent look at my horse thread turned into something like this. Some of you people have been too harsh and should put yourselves in her place.

Your daughter's horse is beautiful and I commend her on a great job bringing the youngster along!

Bentley

Aug. 22, 2004, 09:08 PM

Cindeye said everything I was going to - and more http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif. Some people need to step back and think before they post.

Trixie

Aug. 22, 2004, 09:30 PM

*shakes her head*

WOW.

dcm

Aug. 22, 2004, 09:32 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SAM:
[QUOTE]

Good gawd people, get a life!

QUOTE]

My thoughts exactly! DCM I'm very sorry that you and your daughter have to deal with crazies on the internet but remember sticks and stones. These people do not know you or your daughter from a hole in the wall. You have nothing to prove to them. It's amazing how an innocent look at my horse thread turned into something like this. Some of you people have been too harsh and should put yourselves in her place.

Your daughter's horse is beautiful and I commend her on a great job bringing the youngster along! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks SAM, but it is slp's dtr, not mine. I do know slp and her dtr, and both are very wonderful people. Not ribbon hunters at all. I am just appauled that people can speak like this without knowing this girl. Or that they are so unsportsmanlike that they react so ignorantly.

It just makes me want to b-slap some people.

I think Chicago Mom will look back at this and feel ashamed. As she should. Ditto Luvtk.

HARROLDhasmyheart

Aug. 22, 2004, 10:01 PM

Ok wow. I think my head is actually spinning after reading all 5 pages of this thread.

JRhunter2006- OH MY GOODNESS. You and your horse look stunning. I like the pics of you and your horsie better than the ones of him and the pro, actually! No critiques from me, as you make an amazing pair! I am definatley in awe. [By the way, that's a good thing. It doesn't happen all that often!] http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chicagomom- Please stop complaining about your daughter being cheated out of her ribbons. Unless you have a freaking valid reason, or your daughter got second and should have won, refrain from being rude! Since I doubt that that's the case, there's no more need to complain. JRhunter2006 is allowed to be showing in the division that she is, and it only helps that that's what the RULES say!

I think that it's incrediably immature to threaten to go to the show authority, when all you're upset over is a single BB post,made by a rider asking for any possible improvments. I sincerely hope that you did not make your daughter believe that she was cheated out of anything, and if you did, that is definatley not the right attitude to grow up with. The only two shows that I've been in, ever, I didn't place in all of my classes. Durr. Infact, in one of them, I got one 6th out of all 3 classes, which made it all the more special. My friends, who are far more accomplished riders, think I'm crazy to hanging on to a 6th, but I'm goign to keep it forever, because I EARNED that ribbon, I did it WITHOUT a trainer. It was my hard work that earned me that rosette, just as it was JRhunter2006's work that got her to where she is today, and the beautifu form of both horse and ride tha tyou see in the picture.

I'm definatley worked up now. To get back to the original start of the thread, JRhunter2006, your horse is FREAKING AWESOME!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WorkingTrotRising

Aug. 22, 2004, 10:45 PM

Frankly all of you should take the advice given to ChicagoMom to "butt out". No point in getting mad at her for getting riled up when you yourselves are doing the same.

chrissy mackris

Aug. 23, 2004, 02:03 AM

wow...and i thought MY mom was nuts.
and is this kid 14 and under? i thought she was 16?

i dissagree with chicagomom and the way she handling this "misfortune" of hers. that being said, if i were showing in the junior hunters, i would personally feel guilty showing in the limit, even for experience. i would sooner show in schooling classes or at least the mini medals; which are 3"+ lower than the jrs. if you're not confident at 3'6, but can win comfortably at 2'9- then....show at 2'9 and NOT 3'6.

however, the horse pictured is GORGEOUS, and becca, you are a lucky girl to have him!

dcm

Aug. 23, 2004, 03:37 AM

Oops, sorry Becca. I went back and checked, you are showing at 15 this year. 14&u was last year. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

However, that still does not excuse anyone for the name calling. She's still a child and does not deserve such vile treatment.

WTR, I still remember what this board did to another young person from MI, and I am still upset over that, as is the mother of that child (I've met both). For anyone on this board to attack this child, especially another mom, is horrible behavior. This girl is a very nice, polite child who has never been one to chase points or blue ribbons. Maybe it is not my duty to take these people to task, but as a mom I just can't stand to see them do this to a good kid. I consider both slp and jrhunter my friends, and despite my dtr graduating this year, I hope to see jrhunter and her horse compete next year with much more confidence.

slp

Aug. 23, 2004, 04:15 AM

Thank you for all of your kind words.
You're right dcm, this really does remind me of what happened here last year. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
My daughter has been out of town since last Friday so hopefully I can figure out her password and lock this thread so it drops off the front page before she gets back and gets a chance to read it. Erin, if I can't figure out how to do it myself I'd appreciate it if you would lock it for us.
But again, it is nice to see that the majority of those that have posted on this thread are understanding and supportive. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I think most here really do understand the trials and tribulations that a young rider and a very green horse go through, especially when they are learning it all together at the same time. For those that don't, it's pretty obvious that you have never been in the same situation.
Susan

QueenMother

Aug. 23, 2004, 05:14 AM

There are many many people who post on this board who like taking pot shots at children -- mine included. While the majority (more silent than the minority, sadly) are intelligent, level headed people, this board is also a hot bed of sour grapes, sore losers, and petty grievants. A little self-editing is always a good thing.

Chicago Mom

Aug. 23, 2004, 08:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by slp:
She would NEVER compete in a division that she was not eligible for and I resent the accusation that she did it intentionally just to win some easy ribbons in an unrated division.
And my daughter was well within the 6 blue ribbon requirement; I think she had won a limit class ONCE here in Michigan. Yes she was champion of a Limit Medal division in 2003 for HJAM but she managed to do that without _ever _winning_ the class_; she had a lot of 2nd places which gave her enough points to get a year end championship. The previous year which was her first year of showing she was 4th in the year end awards for Limit Flat with only competing in 3 shows. Know how many people were in the limit division in Michigan that year? FIVE.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Before this thread is closed, I want to APOLOGIZE for my reaction. I still think that someone who shows in the Juniors at 3'6 should not be doing the limits, just my opinion.

I won't get into what others said at the time of pinning, not important anymore.

I have done my research, google is great, and in 2003 your daughter WON 3 first places in the limits, not counting 2002 or 2004, not one first place like you state.

Again, your horse is awesome. Continue the great work!!!!

Party Rose

Aug. 23, 2004, 08:14 AM

What a great pair and yes, your trainer too looks like she's doing a great job. He must be a really good boy to get 4 great photos from one show. Keep it up & have lots of fun.

HSM

Aug. 23, 2004, 08:28 AM

Chicago Mom-
Ya know, an apology coupled with further justification of one's position isn't really much of an apology. And besides, I think if I were in your position, I'd be less worried about apologizing to a bunch of anonymous peole on a BB and more worried about how my incredible, rather out-there overreaction to this situation may have adversely affected my daughter. (and believe me, as Kelsey so correctly pointed out, a few ribbons in limit eq is nothing compared to what you will have to deal with if your daughter goes on to more high-stakes compettion. You are so not ready for that, trust me.)

So my advice to you is: step away from the computer and try to set things right with your daughter rather than googling your way into a tizzy. Believe me, you have a lot more to lose doing that than you had to lose in the first place. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

SAM

Aug. 23, 2004, 08:41 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by SAM:
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Good gawd people, get a life!

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My thoughts exactly! DCM I'm very sorry that you and your daughter have to deal with crazies on the internet but remember sticks and stones. These people do not know you or your daughter from a hole in the wall. You have nothing to prove to them. It's amazing how an innocent look at my horse thread turned into something like this. Some of you people have been too harsh and should put yourselves in her place.

Your daughter's horse is beautiful and I commend her on a great job bringing the youngster along! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks SAM, but it is slp's dtr, not mine. I do know slp and her dtr, and both are very wonderful people. Not ribbon hunters at all. I am just appauled that people can speak like this without knowing this girl. Or that they are so unsportsmanlike that they react so ignorantly.

It just makes me want to b-slap some people.

I think Chicago Mom will look back at this and feel ashamed. As she should. Ditto Luvtk. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh Got confused with the 3 letter names lol. Anyway This thread needs to die already or get locked. It amazed me it hasn't been locked already.