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Mukluk
Dec. 12, 2011, 10:20 PM
I have a TB mare that I just love.- she is athletic, smart, sensitive, and a very good citizen. Considering breeding her to produce an eventer baby- I would keep the baby for me. I was thinking of a Hanoverian but what about the draft breeds? What are the best draft breeds to cross with a TB for an eventer (or is that a just silly?) Here is the pedigree of my mare. Ideally I think a 3/4 TB 1/4 draft might be ideal- but that would assume getting a filly and then breeding her to a TB. Unless there are any 1/2 TB 1/2 draft stallions out there.
http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=7186939&registry=T&horse_name=A%20True%20Angel&dam_name=True%20Irish&foaling_year=2004&nicking_stats_indicator=Y

Scaramouch
Dec. 12, 2011, 10:36 PM
You should probably specify what sort of potential foal you're aiming for. Upper level freak of nature? Prelim tops, but ammy friendly?

I can't imagine why you would want to go with a draft in any event, other than perhaps Irish Draught. Not saying they're bad horses by any means, and many crosses have been successful at the lower levels, but it's definitely more of a gamble as far was what you might end up with.

Mukluk
Dec. 12, 2011, 10:41 PM
Probably just for lower levels. I would want a nice all around horse like my TB- she does jumping, trail rides, parades, cattle work, drill team etc. For the baby, I am interested in good feet, nice movement, sensible, athletic, and a nice wide barrel to take up my long legs. Definitely prefer a horse that wants to go vs one you have to kick along.

3phase
Dec. 13, 2011, 12:27 AM
How big is your mare and whar size are you looking for?
How bout breeding to a Cob? Or even Connemara? I absolutely love ArdCeltic Art!!!
If you go Hanoverian, I'd go with any of the Pik lines ( I was on a Han breeding farm growing up and we had a Pik Bube son that bred wonderful foals. Athletic yet trainable with good minds and good confo. Very Amateur friendly.
There's lots out there! Your Mare is going to throw in most of the genes but pick a stud with good lines on the dam side (that's what I look at anyway most of the time.)
Potentially if you sell the foal later on you want it to be marketable as well.
Have fun!

Mukluk
Dec. 13, 2011, 07:18 AM
Angel can be excitable but she sensible and is calm enough to go on trail rides, horse camping, sort cattle, and be in parades. She does have lots of go and is fast (though not fast enough to be a successful race horse). She's 16.2. and more on the fine boned side. Her height is fine though I could go a bit taller- don't really want huge. I would like something stouter (wider barrel, as I have very long legs), bigger boned, and better feet. I guess a draft x might end up too big? And too "dull?" I really love the TB mind, work ethic, sensitivity, and speed. When I made the post, I had the opportunity to ride a Shire for the first time which made me wonder what a Shire (or other draft) TB cross would be like. But on the second thought it might not be what I really want.

wishnwell
Dec. 13, 2011, 08:10 AM
Unless an Irish I would pass on Drafts...JMO

horsetales
Dec. 13, 2011, 08:14 AM
I would look to a pure Irish Draught (RID), especially if you are looking at low-mid level. They are often athletic with a great mind and a good sense to get you out of bad spots. They are also known for good feet and constitution. There are some nice RIDSH if you want to keep to 3/4 TB.

I've done a couple of breedings with Bridon Belfrey and if you want a sweet, super willing disposition, he sure throws that plus gives you movement for good dressage scores.

He throws a little on the heavier side, but Dandelion Diamond Rebel also gives good movement with great dispositions - mine that I bred is 3 and has won multiple FEH classes at 2 & 3, USDF classes (against WB too) and has started dressage with great placings at Intro. DDR is a Masters horse and events in the summer.

Bridon Beale Street RID is doing 1* and his youngsters are also doing well in the FEH and starting U/S. His sire has produced some great event horses like Free and Clear. Also, Jaunty Star RID is doing 1*

Braveheart events and hunts in TX and has never been shod- great feet and temperament.

All the RID and RIDSH stallions are listed at www.irishdraught.com

Peregrine Farm
Dec. 13, 2011, 09:05 AM
In the Sporthorse Breeding Forum FAQs, #19, there is a collection of multiple threads regarding eventing breeding and eventing stallions. Many of those are more geared towards upper-level breeding, but you might find some useful information in those threads, and just about every possible "event" stallion is mentioned at least once. To echo what others have said here, however, for what you are looking for a good RID sire would probably fit your bill.

Laurierace
Dec. 13, 2011, 09:07 AM
You would need to compare the pedigrees but the first horse that comes to mind is A Fine Romance. You couldn't get a better mind.

hollyhorse2000
Dec. 13, 2011, 09:09 AM
One of these guys:

http://users.erols.com/blackfoxfarm/

vineyridge
Dec. 13, 2011, 09:20 AM
Percheron x TB is a very, very popular cross in foxhunting. There are heavy and lighter Percherons, so the product is often times a lovely weight.

Ajierene
Dec. 13, 2011, 09:42 AM
Looking for many of the things that you were, I ended up breeding to a Hanoverian named Welfenkonig II. I cannot say much about how his progeny will end up, because the oldest is 3 or so. Mine is about 6 months....so all I can say is she's cute as a button, lovely mover (as described by people that see her, not me), very well mannered (farrier says she's the nicest weanling he works with) and so far nice and stout.

I went to see Welfenkonig II and this is why I bred to him:

-did the state stud stallion test and got excellent marks, before being imported to the US (yes, his new owner got him into the state stud test, she knew people and state stud people were upset when they found out he was leaving the country).

-When I went to see him it was breeding season and with mares next to the arena he was still very attentive to his owner/handler (something my filly is also).

-he's bigger boned than my mare and seems to have passed that on. Unlike a draft, there is less risk here of big body on tiny feet or little body on fat legs.

-There were some yearlings there I got to see (with my trainer and another friend) and they all looked lovely).

-He jumped at least 3'6" (we stopped putting the rails up becasue they were getting near the height of the arena and we didn't want him getting the idea that he can jump out of the arena), and loved it.

-He is in a dressage home and his movement was lovely.

He is young, so he doesn't have much stock on the ground, nor does he have much of a record - so in a sense, you are taking a risk there, but it was a calculated risk for me since I am breeding for myself and while I have Olympic dreams, if the horse can only do Novice, it won't be the end of the world for me.

I don't have any pictures online of my filly and cannot speak for height since my mare is about 15.2HH. Welfenkonig II is about 16.2HH.

Here is his website:
http://triadfarminc.com/id7.html

Here is a video I found on youtube of another colt of his:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4tyV5uT9_E

omare
Dec. 13, 2011, 09:45 AM
My sister had a perch/xx cross-he was gorgeous but massive-ultimately did not stay sound--and could push down solid board fences so you would want no more than 1/4 heavy blood I suspect. I have seen Black Fox farm stallion get at local shows and they seem lovely and sensible.

misita
Dec. 13, 2011, 10:07 AM
In the Sporthorse Breeding Forum FAQs, #18, there is a collection of multiple threads regarding eventing breeding and eventing stallions. Many of those are more geared towards upper-level breeding, but you might find some useful information in those threads, and just about every possible "event" stallion is mentioned at least once. To echo what others have said here, however, for what you are looking for a good RID sire would probably fit your bill.

Peregrine Farm, It's actually post #19 and thank you so much for putting these eventing breeding faqs together! :)

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=324671

Bravo's first foals will start their eventing careers as well this year. Here's a couple babies out of full TB mares. Bravo is probably too light for what your looking for though. He's not a heavy stallion. More of a medium build.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giaky_Ej0tU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqg7rfZf3u4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrY_O2oEuoA&feature=related

secretariat
Dec. 13, 2011, 10:19 AM
While there are many successful, wonderful TB x draft crosses eventing out there, it's not a cross I recommend. If you get a good one - AWESOME. If not ........ and I know that's true for all breeding, but I'm betting the odds based on what I see at 30 or so events every year.

I'm also not a fan of generic WB x TB crosses (we're doing the cross actively, selectively, but as in paragraph 1 it needs to be done with care and a grain of salt). Many of the registries do not throw the courage or "forward" needed to event. If they won't go in front of your leg - walk away; hard to do when you've just put 5 years into a breeding. Specific stallions in all registries can be OK, but the only registry I'd recommend for eventing as a blanket statement are Trakehners. And a bit of fire and brimstone usually comes with your fries.

For lower level, amateur rider owner (but applies to UL also), go for proven intelligence and good minds over everything else. For my personal horse, I want my baby to see me as his favorite creature. Lots of UL sires are throwing professional rides. Be careful!

purplnurpl
Dec. 13, 2011, 10:23 AM
I have a TB mare that I just love.- she is athletic, smart, sensitive, and a very good citizen. Considering breeding her to produce an eventer baby- I would keep the baby for me. I was thinking of a Hanoverian but what about the draft breeds? What are the best draft breeds to cross with a TB for an eventer (or is that a just silly?) Here is the pedigree of my mare. Ideally I think a 3/4 TB 1/4 draft might be ideal- but that would assume getting a filly and then breeding her to a TB. Unless there are any 1/2 TB 1/2 draft stallions out there.
http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=7186939&registry=T&horse_name=A%20True%20Angel&dam_name=True%20Irish&foaling_year=2004&nicking_stats_indicator=Y

Isn't an ISH a 1/2 ISD + 1/2 TB?
I'm not an irish fan myself but Flagmount's Freedom one seems to have a good reputation and lots of kids eventing and doing well.
(links below)

So a cross with an Irish Sport Horse would give you 3/4 TB and 1/4 Irish.

http://leaningoaksfarm.com/leaning_oaks_farm_003.htm

Ya can't deny this list of kids. Just type in Flagmount in the search box to see them all.
http://useventing.com/competitions.php?section=search&id=82

purplnurpl
Dec. 13, 2011, 10:31 AM
this is the horse I think I might use for my broody's next hubby.

He's an all arounder. Mostly used for hunters but has an all arounder pedigree.
He's pretty, his kids are said to be VERY ammy friendly.

In the free jumping video...there is lots of liberty trot that shows off his great movement.

He's got Voltaire on the top.
Galoubet and Turn-to (TB that makes nice hunters) on the bottom.

I like this horse a lot. He's my kind of ride.

http://rocusa.net/

old eventer
Dec. 13, 2011, 10:50 AM
Having bred quite a few different types, if you want a competitive horse at the low levels even, you need something that has the movement. Hard to get that from a draft, i would go to a quiet warm blood, there are so many out there that have alot of tb in them get one that is not too heavy. Just make sure you use one that has a high rating on their rideablity, and has proven progeny that are competing at the level you want to ride at.

amastrike
Dec. 13, 2011, 11:09 AM
I bred my TB mare to ArdCeltic Art (http://www.hiddencreekhorses.com/our-stallion.html), a 15hh Connemara. Baby is 7.5 months old and looking good! Art is ISR/OldNA approved, so you can do registration that way. My filly was inspected and registered Premium, so Art does a good job with movement and conformation.

horsetales
Dec. 13, 2011, 12:02 PM
Isn't an ISH a 1/2 ISD + 1/2 TB?
I'm not an irish fan myself but Flagmount's Freedom one seems to have a good reputation and lots of kids eventing and doing well.

FF does look nice

An ISH is a horse bred in Ireland and may or may Not have Irish draught blood

An IDSH is a North America term for a horse with Irish Draught blood - the other portion is often TB but does not have to be. I have WB IDSH and TB IDSH, there are also several quarter horse, ASB, draft, Tennessee Walker and hackney crosses I've seen

Lisa Cook
Dec. 13, 2011, 12:11 PM
Cradilo (http://www.huntingtonfarm.org/stallion.html) is an Irish Draught competing at Grand Prix in the jumpers and has some nice eventers as offspring.

Kairoshorses
Dec. 13, 2011, 12:32 PM
I LOVE my Irish horse! But I got him when he was 11. I've heard they can be slow to mature.

If it's for lower levels (up to prelim) and ammy, I LOVE Routinier (http://www.heritagemanorfarm.com/hmf/article/3562). He produces athletic foals with nice movement and jumping ability (he got "9's" on his jumping under saddle, and "10's" for willingness to work, I think, and something else)--but more importantly, they have REALLY nice temperaments.

I know of two babies who are INCREDIBLY kind/trainable/willing that I have/had access to. I know there are others competing now.

hanohorse
Dec. 13, 2011, 10:39 PM
Have a look at the hanoverian stallion Scimitar at En Avant Stud, could be a good match.

RSEventer
Dec. 13, 2011, 11:16 PM
Landkonig is a Hanoverian who throws nice movers and jumpers esspecially when crossed with TB mares. I bought two babies from the sires Pablo and Landkonig. Both are very nice- quiet, willing, sound, scopey, smart. I sold the 4 yr old Pablo baby to a hunter rider (12 yrs old) and she won a 2'6 division at her first rated show and it was his second show period- talk about a good brain!!!! The five year old Landkonig mare is doing well and wants to be an eventer. I would consider resale value if you are breeding. (You may not want to keep the baby, for whatever unforseen reasons, so keeping that in mind....both of these stallions are well known in the hunter/jumper world and dressage.) Here is link for website:
http://www.rainbowequus.com/Landkoenig_offspring.htm

Here is a photo of my Landkonig 5 yr old mare schooling at Florida Horse Park derby last weekend. She is so brave on XC and such a pretty mover. Good luck with your decision and I would add, there are lots of babies for sale out there.
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq17/mustangkrista/Angel%20FHP%201210/jentrningang.jpg
The rider has a really long leg (she is 5'8) and looks fine on the mare. (Barrel is plenty big for a long legged rider.)

Mukluk
Dec. 13, 2011, 11:51 PM
Wow thanks so much everyone. My mare is now 7 and have been contemplating breeding her since I got her when she was 4. I know it is cheaper just to buy a young horse but I really LOVE my mare and as I said, I'd plan to keep baby for me. Some great ideas. I'm going to hold off a few years to see how she pans out in eventing- various and sundry things seem to keep us from getting started but I think she will be good at it. She loves to jump xc and is very athletic.

Zoomd
Dec. 14, 2011, 11:07 AM
I see you decided to wait a bit, but I'll add my 2 cents anyways =] I saw someone suggested Scimitar at An Avant and can say that my mare by him is a PHENOMENAL jumper. She currently does 2* level and is smart, quick-minded on XC and extremely athletic... but she is very opinionated and gets anxious easily leading to tension, making her a little tough in the dressage. On her Dam side is Good Queen Liz, the TB mare that produced advanced event stallion Salute the Truth. I work at Dodon Farm where Salute the Truth stands, and also where we have brought up many of the babies out of Liz who Steuart also owns. Most of the babies from both are very well built, quiet tempered, easy to break and train, and brave, fabulous jumpers. So, simple point, I would agree that Scimitar has produced at least one awesome eventing baby, and I would highly suggest taking a look at Salute the Truth, especially if you love the TB mind.

Zara jump: (Scimitar X Good Queen Liz)
http://tabeventing.com/img/zara_jump3.jpg

Zara Conformation(sorry for the poor pic, was just trying to photo her new clip):
http://i44.tinypic.com/4ui1jb.jpg

Brilliant Truth jump: (Salute the Truth X FillBrill)
http://eventingnation.com/sporthorsenation/_MG_6813.jpg

Westglen Farm
Dec. 14, 2011, 11:14 AM
I would breed your mare to any Irish Draught. They cross so well with TB mares and they have incredible minds and and sound.

mustangsal85
Dec. 14, 2011, 12:48 PM
How big is your mare and whar size are you looking for?
How bout breeding to a Cob? Or even Connemara? I absolutely love ArdCeltic Art!!!
If you go Hanoverian, I'd go with any of the Pik lines ( I was on a Han breeding farm growing up and we had a Pik Bube son that bred wonderful foals. Athletic yet trainable with good minds and good confo. Very Amateur friendly.
There's lots out there! Your Mare is going to throw in most of the genes but pick a stud with good lines on the dam side (that's what I look at anyway most of the time.)
Potentially if you sell the foal later on you want it to be marketable as well.
Have fun!

There is a Pik stallion here in Missouri. Absolutely gorgeous and a good all around horse. I've quite literally seen him competing in just about everything around here. Very (or seems to be from my observing) sensible and quiet at the shows I've seen him at.

Alianna
Dec. 14, 2011, 06:17 PM
Look at Worthy Oponnent...amazing Hanoverian eventing stallion. Using a breeding this year ona Hanoverian approved TB mare...should be an awesome cross.
www.vineyardeventing.com

wookie
Dec. 15, 2011, 05:51 PM
i vote for sinatra at high point hanoverians. he is the sire of one of the champions of the future event horse. he has an incredible disposition. lovely movement and scored high at his stallion test in jumping. the mare he was crossed with is susanna. not sure of the babies name that won. but you can always google it.

AusEventer
Dec. 16, 2011, 12:40 AM
I'm going to make an entirely different suggestion that may be a bit out there. If you are not looking for a massive horse, have you considered crossing your mare with a M & M pony breed?

I have a Welsh Cob x TB who is a ripper...have seen several Cobs and Cob x doing well. Very tough, intelligent and athletic with a natural jump. Have also seen some lovely Connemara and New Forest x TB. In my opinion, they make great amateurs mounts.

I have a TB X WB that I bred - time will tell if he is sharp enough to event. He's got a great temperament and movement, but to my mind, seems a bit slower in the brain department than the TBs and pony crosses I'm used to working with. Not sure if it is a good thing or bad thing!

JER
Dec. 16, 2011, 01:19 AM
While there are many successful, wonderful TB x draft crosses eventing out there, it's not a cross I recommend. If you get a good one - AWESOME. If not ........ and I know that's true for all breeding, but I'm betting the odds based on what I see at 30 or so events every year.

I'm also not a fan of generic WB x TB crosses (we're doing the cross actively, selectively, but as in paragraph 1 it needs to be done with care and a grain of salt). Many of the registries do not throw the courage or "forward" needed to event. If they won't go in front of your leg - walk away; hard to do when you've just put 5 years into a breeding. Specific stallions in all registries can be OK, but the only registry I'd recommend for eventing as a blanket statement are Trakehners. And a bit of fire and brimstone usually comes with your fries.

For lower level, amateur rider owner (but applies to UL also), go for proven intelligence and good minds over everything else. For my personal horse, I want my baby to see me as his favorite creature. Lots of UL sires are throwing professional rides. Be careful!

This is all very good advice, from someone who breeds/trains/rides eventers. The part about the WB lack of forward definitely rings true.

The simple recipe for The Horse You Want is this: find a stallion who produces your desired type consistently when bred to a mare like yours. And always remember, what a stallion produces is more important that what the stallion himself is like (same goes for the mare, but you don't know about yours).

Good luck and have fun. :)

Kolsch
Dec. 16, 2011, 03:13 PM
I love this horse. I'd use him for breeding in a second. Other than loving pretty much everything about him, he has the most wonderful mind.

http://www.wonderboystallion.com/Home.html

OTTBs
Dec. 16, 2011, 07:28 PM
Based on the couple of IDSH that I got to ride, I would recommend breeding to IDSH, not pure RID. Took too much work to get the RIDxTB to move IMO.

I love Cleveland Bays, you could look into them too for adding body size. I thought about breeding my TB mare to one and I have to admit that some of the CB's have too heavy of a neck. So I was looking at one of the lighter, more balanced CB's--unfortunately my favorite (Rambler's Lorenzo) seems to have vanished off the planet and others I liked were gelded or passed away.

Groro
Dec. 16, 2011, 07:53 PM
Concerto Grosso is a lovely, big Holsteiner who is the sire of the West Coast 2011 USEA Four Year Old Young Event Horse Reserve Champion, Counterpoint. CG has bone, good feet, good mind, fantastic movement and jump which he passes on to his children. He is a grand son of Contender, a phenomenal producer of jumping horses. CG's maternal grandsire is the Thoroughbred, Koenigspark, so your foal would be over half TB.

He is fully approved and licensed by the AHHA and the ISR- Old NA and nominated to both of their stallion auctions. To see a photo of Counterpoint go to www.useventing.com and click the YEH logo.

He will be standing at Mountain View Equine Hospital in Central Virginia.
Www.mveh.com

Fred
Dec. 17, 2011, 07:47 AM
This is all very good advice, from someone who breeds/trains/rides eventers. The part about the WB lack of forward definitely rings true.

The simple recipe for The Horse You Want is this: find a stallion who produces your desired type consistently when bred to a mare like yours. And always remember, what a stallion produces is more important that what the stallion himself is like (same goes for the mare, but you don't know about yours).

Good luck and have fun. :)

^^ I would echo this advice.

Fred
Dec. 17, 2011, 07:52 AM
Concerto Grosso is a lovely, big Holsteiner who is the sire of the West Coast 2011 USEA Four Year Old Young Event Horse Reserve Champion, Counterpoint. CG has bone, good feet, good mind, fantastic movement and jump which he passes on to his children. He is a grand son of Contender, a phenomenal producer of jumping horses. CG's maternal grandsire is the Thoroughbred, Koenigspark, so your foal would be over half TB.

He is fully approved and licensed by the AHHA and the ISR- Old NA and nominated to both of their stallion auctions. To see a photo of Counterpoint go to www.useventing.com and click the YEH logo.

He will be standing at Mountain View Equine Hospital in Central Virginia.
Www.mveh.com

I love Concerto Grosso, and would love to use him in my own breeding program with one of my TB AFR daughters.
Do you know if the facility ships semen to Canada, Groro?

fooler
Dec. 17, 2011, 10:52 PM
This is all very good advice, from someone who breeds/trains/rides eventers. The part about the WB lack of forward definitely rings true.

The simple recipe for The Horse You Want is this: find a stallion who produces your desired type consistently when bred to a mare like yours. And always remember, what a stallion produces is more important that what the stallion himself is like (same goes for the mare, but you don't know about yours).

Good luck and have fun. :)

3rd this advise.

You may want to check with folks like Denny and Bruce Davidson (if he still has breeding stock). They have nice WB/TB crosses that appear to be 1/2+ TB. Also they have have or know folks with old school TB bloodlines. The old TB's with height, bone and great minds. Good luck.

RunForIt
Dec. 18, 2011, 11:31 AM
Fred's accomplishments are reknown so I won't retell them all here...just love him :)

Another one you really oughta take a look at though is the young stallion Accolade who won the East Coast YEH a couple of years ago...just came home from England where he successfully ran their Novice/our Prelim with both Mike Winter and his ammy breeder/owner/trainer Kim Keeton.

Bear as he's affectionately known, is a lovely mover, super jumper on XC as well as SJ...PLUS, he's the sweetest, easy-going boy ALL THE TIME! Can stable next to mares, school with other horses, trail ride...

Here's a FB pic with Kim in the irons:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150369784918754&set=a.443496348753.215441.526248753&type=3&theater

Silverhope
Sep. 3, 2012, 02:59 PM
Based on the couple of IDSH that I got to ride, I would recommend breeding to IDSH, not pure RID. Took too much work to get the RIDxTB to move IMO.

I love Cleveland Bays, you could look into them too for adding body size. I thought about breeding my TB mare to one and I have to admit that some of the CB's have too heavy of a neck. So I was looking at one of the lighter, more balanced CB's--unfortunately my favorite (Rambler's Lorenzo) seems to have vanished off the planet and others I liked were gelded or passed away.

If you are still interested, I have located Rambler's Lorenzo and I plan to breed two CB mares to him. He's 20 now, but absolutely beautiful!

vineyridge
Sep. 3, 2012, 04:03 PM
If he's frozen for the US market, I'd seriously consider William Micklem's Jackaroo. Full brother to two 4*/Olympic horses; and William wouldn't stand him if he didn't think he would pass on the traits that 4* horses need. Jackaroo was injured young in a pasture accident, so he could not compete. He's well over 75% percent TB, son of Master Imp with Chair Lift as damsire; and ought to do very well on TB mares. If there is anyone with the eye, experience, and knowledge to find and produce event horses, it's William. The fact that he thinks Jackaroo has what it takes says a tremendous amount, even though he bred him.

KateMcCall
Sep. 3, 2012, 05:03 PM
I haven't read all the comments so hopefully I'm not repeating anyone.

Formula One.
http://www.tamarackhill.com/Stallions/F1.htm

Gatsby
http://www.foxdalefarm.us/gatsby.htm

A Fine Romance (I want to breed to this horse so, so bad!)
http://www.afineromance.ca/
Nothing wrong with keeping a pure TB :)


I just wanted to add that I really like Hanoverian/TB crosses. (although none of these are Hanoverians... lol)
Both of my Event horses have been half Hanoverians and they are both amazing! They both have incredible movement and a mind to jump!

Lord Helpus
Sep. 3, 2012, 06:47 PM
Having bred quite a few different types, if you want a competitive horse at the low levels even, you need something that has the movement. Hard to get that from a draft,

^^^

This. Especially at the lower levels, Events are won or lost in the dressage ring. Obviously temperament is your #1 priority, but movement should be your #2. A horse with suspension and a good overstep will have the advantage over a horse with average movement (a trait of a lot of RID's.)

Have you looked into A Fine Romance? He seems to be everything you are looking for. Talent looks, good movement and a total ammie friendly mind.

And, the advantage of being a TB cannot be discounted. That way the foal will be a TB and will be a more attractive horse to other people than a TB/Draft cross.

Remember, even though you are planning this mating for yourself, the day may come when you need to sell, for whatever reason. You need to think of the marketability of your foal, should that event occur. A TB/Draft or a TB/Connemara will not be as marketable as a foal by A Fine Romance. (IMO, Of course!)

pcwertb
Sep. 3, 2012, 08:19 PM
I think it really depends on who you pair your tb mare with if a pony breed....certainly if you use a Connemara with intermediate experience like Ard Celtic Art, that offspring would have good value if the mare is also nice ;)

MontanaDun
Sep. 4, 2012, 06:11 PM
You might look at Glendevon's Mountain Man. He's Clyde/TB and throws beautiful babies when bred to TB mares.

http://www.glendevonstables.com/breeding.html

Oskar
Oct. 4, 2012, 03:04 PM
I bred one of my TB mares to an RIDSH stallion named King's Ransom and I got a really nice 2012 foal. King's Ransom is located in BC Canada. He is 1/2 TB 1/2 ID. His owner, Kitty Tougas is amazing to deal with and I am rebreeding 2 mares back to him in 2013. He's a lovely stallion, but unfortunetely at this point, he doesnt have many offspring on the ground. Here is the link to her webpage as well as a video of my colt at 3.5months old.
http://www.ballytrimirishstud.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXOGr_aPI0