Old West Coasters...

[libgrrl]

How long has Indio been "The Show?"

Back in my day (creak, creak) it was all Del Mar. Indio was where you went to get Date Shakes. Then I moved east, to Land-of-lovely-weather.

When did Indio get to be "it"?

[libgrrl]

How long has Indio been "The Show?"

Back in my day (creak, creak) it was all Del Mar. Indio was where you went to get Date Shakes. Then I moved east, to Land-of-lovely-weather.

When did Indio get to be "it"?

[Party Rose]

From my recall of seeing old COTH's and I say my "recall", is that it's been around since the 70's.

I remember a photo in "COTH" or "Horses" of Victor at the 1st facility in an ostrich race. Yes, they use to race ostriches.

Possibly TQ can better answer this question.

[Bumpkin]

We went to Indio around 70/72, but it was called the Date Festival then, I think it was held at a different place than it is held now.

[Party Rose]

Yes, it was definatly a different venue.

[Peggy]

I think it was at the fairgrounds--part of the Riverside County Date Festival (hence the shakes). One show, not a multi-week affair. Ran thru at least the early 70's that way--my one remaining Horses mag has an ad for the '74 installment, which is billed at the 28th annual show.

(then I went off to college and then grad school and lost track).

Not sure it existed when I started riding again in the early 80's. At some point people started going to AZ for multiple weeks, and then Indio came back.

There weren't nearly as many A shows 30 years ago as there are now.

[Jodigurl]

Oh my goodness! How funny to see this thread! I remember showing at Indio at the fairgrounds in the hot blowing dust! But I LOVED the DATE SHAKES!!!! MMMMMM. It was in the 70's!

[Bumpkin]

Indio for a week, then on to A to Z in Arizona for a week is my recollection.

A to Z = Aid to Zoo.

[JumperFun]

The current Indio (at the current venue that is) I think began in the mid 80s. Before that it was just a regular show at the fairgrounds. So I think that Indio became "it" in the 80s.

[Katie_Rosenzweig]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bumpkin:
Indio for a week, then on to A to Z in Arizona for a week is my recollection.

A to Z = Aid to Zoo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my mom was one of the ladies that ran that. she said it was such a great show, too bad it fell apart. i guess it was just huge and such a fun show to go to. Then things got split up into Indio and HITS AZ in Tucson

[NickleBlm]

"Indio" as it is known now began in the early 90's. I showed in Arizona for 6 weeks all through my junior years, the last of which was 88'. At one point the "HITS" shows actually ran in Santa Barbara, at the Earl Warren Fairgrounds.

[wtywmn4]

Oh I so remember the nice A to Z ladies. They were the best and so helpful!! There was an entire ciruit and it was huge to say the least. Remember Champ & Linda Hough coming with 40 head. Some of the biggest barns came from Calif. to those shows. Just drolled looking at their horses. Mine was a sweet OTB, just did the low's and had a ball. Boy does anyone remember the hotel, think it was Goodyear, where you could look out and see the rings going. Made keeping track of your classes a breeze http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Down the grassy slope straight into the show..

Nicklblm are you at Indio?

[Merry]

I feel so old. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

I have a June Fallaw black and white photo of me winning the 14-15 eq. flat class at Indio in 1971. It was in the "other" arena surrounded by huge palm trees. The grandstand arena backed up to the fun zone (so you had a ferris wheel in the background), the containment area for the ostriches and camels that were raced between horse show classes (so you had zoo animals looking over the fence at you), and a working collection of vintage farm machinery that popped and whizzed as you rode past. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Yes, even back then, the "Riverside County Fair and Date Festival" horse show (i.e. Indio) was a big wingding of a deal. It was the wintertime A-circuit show.

[equitationlane]

JUNE FALLOW!!!

I have a photo of me in my FIRST horse show where she was the photographer. I think the signature says Fallow '56, so it was way back when. The photo was at the Oak Brook Horse Show. I think I was third (out of three), but really cute!

[Merry]

1956?

I was barely one year old. Thanks! Now I don't feel quite so old...relatively speaking. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Merry]

I'll try and post the old photo. Sorry about the quality! But at least you can see that the arena is scrunched in between the date palms. And surrounded by the portable barns... no doubt the same collection of plywood/canvas portables that are still around today. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[Party Rose]

Cool photo Merry! The second link doesn't work, but the first one does & it almost looks like a drawing. Sorta' artsy http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif .

[Jodigurl]

I have a ton of June Fallow photos! Ha! Too funny, most of mine were at Del Mar. Another fun show. Used to be held during the fair. We would show all day and ride the rides in the Fun Zone until midnight! It used to be so safe there we slept in the tack room right next to the horses! I hope I never forget the fun we had.

[Gunnar]

June Fallaw, now that is a name from my old photos.

Hey Merry. great photo of old Indio. That is my leg from the 70's. I have a similar picture.

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Party Rose:
Cool photo Merry! The second link doesn't work, but the first one does & it almost looks like a drawing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, I deleted the non-working one. You have no idea how hard I've struggled to figure out how to downsize my photos so I can post them. (Just ask So Easy and Erin!) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Yuppers, Del Mar--- the OLD Del Mar--- was a blast, too. We'd also ride the tram from the showbarns to the county fair and back again. And the grandstand would be packed, just like at Indio, with fair goers who'd actually applaud for the winners. Imagine that!

[findeight]

Del Mar...remember riding on the beach and having the trainer hose you and the horse down to get rid of the sand???

I also have an early '70s shot in that same "other" Indio ring. On a Trail Horse picking my way thru a series of step over crossrails, drifting left as usual.

So Merry, did you get a belly dancer to present your ribbon??
They used to do it.

Jeesh, I remember Zsa Zsa Gabor pesenting the Stock Horse (reining)trophy one year and Mae West the next at the old City of Hope show at The Forum.

Those old shows were fun, weren't they????

BTW, the date shakes were good.

[jogem]

How about photos from George Axt?? I think he was before June Fallaw.

[findeight]

I have both so they must have overlapped at least some of the time.

[Bumpkin]

Oh I loved the olde Del Mar.
Going to the Southern California Fair was a yearly event.
The horses stayed in the racetrack stalls with the grooms rooms upstairs.
Schooling between the barns.
And of course, Western, Saddlebreds, Walkers, Morgans, Hackneys, Hunters and Jumpers all at the same show.

[NickleBlm]

Does anyone remember the "Morning Show" the announcers used to do on the barn PA system before the show started?(At Indio) I was young, but not too young to understand the gossip that was being spread! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I also remember the rain, so much that there was a rubber boat to get accross one barn aisle, and riding in the USET flat phase when
it was below freezing out!

wtywmn4, we move down to Indio during the off week, and will be showing weeks 4 & 5.

[wtywmn4]

Oh yes, the "Morning Show", remember it well. Do you remember the time they did "How to Cook Road Kill?" A take off on Julia Childs... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif And then of course there was the music. Revellier (sp?) to get us all started, and then some music that even management was a weee aghasted at.

[Party Rose]

Speaking of the Old Del Mar, someone told me a few weeks ago that thay had an "old" HS poster for me to sell on ebay. I have not seen it, so I don't know the condition and this person is at Indio right now, so it may be some time before I actually get it & list it.

[Horsaholic]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bumpkin:
Oh I loved the olde Del Mar.
Going to the Southern California Fair was a yearly event.
The horses stayed in the racetrack stalls with the grooms rooms upstairs.
Schooling between the barns.
And of course, Western, Saddlebreds, Walkers, Morgans, Hackneys, Hunters and Jumpers all at the same show. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Bumpkin, I was probably showing western at those shows.. What years we talking here? I remember the huge non horsey crowds watching our classes.. Fun memories, especially taking my mare into the oceanhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[jogem]

Old Del Mar...staying up until midnight to watch the stock horses show and feeling like you would end up in the grandstand when you showed jumpers!! And having your own jumps to school over in your barn aisle.....nothing like the old days!!

[Peggy]

Didn't Ronnie Freeman (?) end up in the grandstand once (sans horse)??

[Chef Jade]

I went to the original HITS in Santa Barabara. 3 weeks at the Earl Warren Showgrounds, though there was rarely sun to be found. This was my first real "A" show besides the Turkey Show, and I was leasing a wonderful horse to try to qualify for the Onondarka. So this must have been 1989. I was 2nd every week, and never did qualify. That's where I earned my moniker of bridesmaid which has, alas, stuck with me to this day. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

[Merry]

Ah yes, Santa Barbara! That was part of the old time A-circuit, along with Flintridge. I loved Santa Barbara (both the Turkey and the Flower show) because we always stayed at the Peppertree Motel and they had the best restaurant there, with bacon-wrapped grilled shrimp! (If I ate something like that today, I'd be in the ER). http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I'll try and post another black and white Fallaw photo (they simply don't scan well), this one from Santa Barbara. I'm on a big chunky Quarter horse I owned then. It must've been some sort of junior hunter stakes thingy, because I'm in my "gorgeous" patent leather boot tops and a black coat... with a stock tie! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I think it was about 1973.

[Plumcreek]

Oh darn, this is killing me! I remember my then instructor, Judy Whiting, rode in one of the ostrich races at Old Indio.

My family didn't have the money for me to do the big circuits then, but I was in the stands watching at Santa Barbara 1962 - 1970, and showing in the local (Tri-County) classes on a totally inappropriate horse. As a local kid, I rode my horse down to Earl Warren along the Oleander lined freeway access road. I was so afraid my mare was going to grab a bite! I grew up thinking that Earl Warren was a typical horse show grounds. Then moved to Colorado and started showing QH in little venues in places like Wyoming. Yikes!

[Lord Helpus]

Oh God. I can remember my first show at Santa Barbara. I was with Flintridge then.

I drive up there and go straight to the show grounds and hack my horse. Then I get directions to the Holiday in up the road where I had a room. So up I go to check in.

But, alas, no reservation for me. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I know I made a reservation. I pull out my notes and read the confirmation number to the man behind the desk which he then punched into the computer.

Turns out I got a *tad* confused and I made the reservation for the Bakersfield Holiday Inn.

Bakersfield... Santa Barbara... They all sounded alike to me.

[o2binca]

We showed at the current location of the Indio shows in 1987 on the way down to Goodyear. I can't remember if it was the HITS management or not. It was A rated, but there were only about 8 horses in each class and the show was done by 3 every afternoon.

After that I remember it being the big extravaganza that it is now, though there may have been a few years in between.

And since this is a thread for Old West Coasters I will add a picture from Del Mar in 1976. The junior show was a different week from the open show so we used to keep our junior horses down there and do the open divisions too. Two whole weeks at the green apartments on the beach.

Here is a picture from the appointments class.

[beachpony]

I was at all of those good ol' shows too! I've got tons of Fallaw pictures from the 70's! I clearly remember it being so windy at the old Indio that the standards would blow over while you were on course. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Does anyone remember the really cool jump at A to Z that they had in the hunters ( I think the classic - or did they call it the "stakes" class back then) that was a gate with a big wreath of flowers that you would jump through? It was so pretty & so fun to jump! And Del Mar! They used to LET us ride on the track! Sooooooooo fun! How about the ribbons they would give you at Santa Barbara. They were so long! It seemed like the bigger the championship class - the longer they were!
Don't you wish we could just beam ourselves back there! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
Ol' Ammy California girl, http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
beachpony

[Bumpkin]

Merry, you look like you have no stirrups in your photo?
Was it an Eq class?

Opps I looked again, I see the stirrup pads.
Oh well, really nice photo anyways.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
Turns out I got a *tad* confused and I made the reservation for the Bakersfield Holiday Inn.

Bakersfield... Santa Barbara... They all sounded alike to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well now, that's no way to start a horse show! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Along with Santa Barbara, anyone else go further north and show at Santa Rosa, the Sonoma County Fairgrounds? During August, they had a long multi-day A-rated show. We'd haul up there and show, plus go on awesome side trips. It was like a horse show + a vacation. I think we went every year for over a decade.

Here's ANOTHER June Fallaw photo, from Santa Rosa. (I finally figured out how to properly scan a black and white photo!) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's 1971. The horse was this tiny, refined, hot TB, but he was a blast to show. I love all the people out in the arena with me.

[Gunnar]

Merry I grew up in Santa Rosa and of course attended the August show as well as Golden State in May. Yours is a great picture with the Chris Beck Arena behind. Those were the days when the judge, the photographer, the ring crew and their relatives may have been in the ring. Funny how our horses dealt with it then compared to now.

I have a photo of me on the race track in a ring they built for flat classes. Me and my OTTB, Happy Joy. Now that was a wild time.

[dunlapl]

I have very fond memories of going to the August Santa Rosa show from the time I was 10 until I aged out of the juniors in the 70's. Merry and Gunnar we were there at the same time!Then I went back as an adult when they were still having it in Santa Rosa in the late 80's. There were much fewer shows then, I remember doing Jr. Grand National when it was still a big deal, Del Mar, and the Santa Barbara Turkey show. Those were fun days!!

[Coreene]

Those old Santa Barbara ribbons were bigger than some of the little kids in the youngest classes.

[Saddlebag]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif And then there was Santa Maria! We had such fun there, and everyone behaved badly as I recall. In 1973, I don't think I ever went to bed before 3AM...after the bar closed at The Santa Maria Inn, everyone (including the bartender) moved to the lobby and continued the party there! We fed the horses at 7AM (Grooms? What were Grooms in those days?), ate some pie at the home made pie stand just inside the Fair concourse, went back to the Inn to nap for a bit...showed Hunters in the afternoon, napped and swam from 4PM to 6PM...then got ready to show in the Jumpers...after which, the party started all over again! I can't believe I did all that ! Yet, that year I won EVERY Open Jumper class with my nutso TB, Every Family, was Res. Ch. 2nd Yr. Green Hunter with Balthasar and won the Working Hunter Stake with Morning Mist! Amazing....I couldn't miss http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Best I ever rode...and I never got more than a couple of hours of sleep each night!

The funniest part was that Pam Linn ( who helped me school my Jumper) and I kept seeing Poncho Frankel and Don Dodge spying on us whenever I was on Every Family. They were just sure we had some magic torture chamber set up to make him sharp. The reality of the situation was that he was such a hot potato, that all I ever did to "prepare" him for a class was to hack for a bit, then trot one or two Xes and go to the ring. Any more schooling than that, and he would be nearly unrideable ( Well, he was, anyway...but I mean REALLY unrideable). We were cracking up watching Don and Poncho trying to figure out how we were "cheating".

And then...remember Mickey Burks ( who was judging one year) being conned into riding on a Working Cowhorse one night, and the cowboys gave her a Longhorn steer to "work"!

Nope...Horse shows ain't like that anymore!

[beachpony]

Wasn't there a class at Santa Maria where the western trainers rode a hunter course & the H/J trainers did reining? I was with Tommy Lowe one year at Santa Maria (on my hunter Total Eclipse) around 1975 where I vaguely remember this. And Del Mar had this totally wild costume class! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif
Horse shows are so generic now compared to what they used to be like! It was way more about having fun than everyone just campaigning their "investment" horses!
FUN? Remember horseshows just for the fun of it?! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
beachpony

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coreene:
Those old Santa Barbara ribbons were bigger than some of the little kids in the youngest classes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have saved a couple of fifth place ones (highest I ever got) all these years. I have since received many tri-color ribbons http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, but none larger.

I think the difference in showing fun now vs then boils down to expense involved (of course) and lack of VOLUNTEERS to think up the fun stuff.

[Party Rose]

Beachpony just told me that she's going to scan her old photos and post them.

Would you all post your photos to a thread that Cindeye started last summer on old photos if I searched for it & enlivened it again? It would be cool to have all of our old photos available and forever, for everyone to browse upon and add to at any time. Let me know................

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Party Rose:
Would you all post your photos to a thread that Cindeye started last summer on old photos if I searched for it & enlivened it again? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Of course! Especially now that I have a scanner... and I've learned how to actually use it. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Or you could start a Part II new thread, sort of a sequel.

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunnar:
Merry I grew up in Santa Rosa and of course attended the August show as well as Golden State in May.

I have a photo of me on the race track in a ring they built for flat classes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Somewhere I have the cutest old photo of Beezer on our old gray horse in a win photo taken in that arena on the racetrack!

Here's one from the AO course on the grass field at Santa Rosa. I think this was about 1983 (?). The "grass course" was sort of like a giant park area that backed up to a city street.

My horse, Syracuse, was this Canadian-bred Dutch WB (allegedly) that I bought at the Pomona auction. She wasn't the most gorgeous thing (she had ears like a mule) but man, she was an awesome horse to jump!

[Jodigurl]

Well, from the looks of all the old photos. We all had much better position and leg than the "kids" these days! *ROFL*

Is it me? Or do the horses look like they enjoy their jobs more too? Happy happy, knees up, ear forward....

Ahhhh, the good old days. Wish I knew how to use my scanner! I guess the kids today would know how....

[jogem]

Saddlebag, I think Poncho and Don Dodge were before 73 weren't they? Remember at the Santa Maria Injn how all the keys fit all the rooms!!OMG. Couldn't have that now!!!

[o2binca]

Hey Saddlebag I rode with Glen and Mickey back then, though I didn't start showing much till about 1974.

I loved the August Santa Rosa show that had about 10 different hack classes. The hand gallop on the race track was always interesting as was the bridle path hack class where you had to dismount and mount. Just one of many classes I probably couldn't do anymore. And I loved staying at the Los Robles Lodge where we would jump the lounge chairs half the night.

After Santa Maria we would head back up to Montery where the planes overhead and the cow smell at the back gate added to the interest.

I'll also add Fresno to the list, not a favorite but I remember showing on the race track there as well. Here's a picture from that show displaying my best 1974 attire. Red coat with black velvet collar and gold buttons (including two on the back), horse braided in matching red yarn, and of course the rolled bridle. Unfortunately this wasn't from a classic or else I'd have on white breeches. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[o2binca]

Beachpony - was Tommy Lowe in Santa Barbara in 1975 or was he still up in Nor Cal? One of my best friends at the time rode with him at the Stanford Stables.

[Merry]

Oh, I love the glorious burgundy red hunt coat! And the round number stuck into a safety pin on our backs!

Great photo! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

The Santa Rosa show had a bazillion hack classes. I wish my sister, Beezer, had computer access. She rode in tons of those hack classes out on the racetrack at Santa Rosa. And we weren't beyond galloping our horses on the track to take the edge off before our classes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

[beachpony]

o2binca-
Tommy Lowe was in Santa Barbara at a beautiful barn called Hope Ranch Riding Club. I checked an old "Fallaw" picture from Santa Maria and the date was '75. Tommy was a lot of fun.
What a cool place Hope Ranch Riding Club was. Beautiful spanish architecture in the middle of awesome trails that you could ride down to the beach which was about 1/2 mile away! Someone put me in a time machine & take me back there! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Any other Santa-Barbarians out there in COTH-land?

Beachpony http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Party Rose]

OK you old West Coasters....Please also post your "old" photos on THIS THREAD (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=6656094911&f=7076024331&m=807206563&r=807206563#807206563) so we can try to keep a photo album in one place. So post away...On TWO threads & I can't wait for everyone to pull out those scanners & share with the rest of us.

ALSO...Calling equitationlane...YET AGAIN....AND all of you newbies.........

The above thread is on the H/J Forum & originated by Cindeye. I think there were 14 or 17 pages...I can't remember http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif .

[Lord Helpus]

Great pictures Terri and Merry. I love old California pictures... Merry, I am so glad you finally got a scanner ---It's high time we get to see some of those pictures you have said you've had, but have been unable to show us.

Terru, is that Jane on Tap in the jumper picture? WIW can he use his front end. Awesome! I remember the dreaded log pile from the Flintridge show. I have a picture of Valor and me going over it, but it is blurry because we were going so fast. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I would post some more pictures, but I feel like I did my share on my "Ode to Pam's Ego" thread that is now in the reference archives (Erin put it there because ?).

[Skinner]

speaking of Old West Coasters, does anyone know where Madeline Sarafian or Madeline Schaefer is? She rode at Flintridge back then and I hear she is riding pro/training up in No Cal. somewhere???

[Peggy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skinner:
speaking of Old West Coasters, does anyone know where Madeline Sarafian or Madeline Schaefer is? She rode at Flintridge back then and I hear she is riding pro/training up in No Cal. somewhere??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Inland central coast, last I heard. North and east of San Luis Obisbo??? A friend whose parents taught (?) at Flintridge was the source of the info, but it's been a few years.

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by beachpony:
What a cool place Hope Ranch Riding Club was. Beautiful spanish architecture in the middle of awesome trails that you could ride down to the beach which was about 1/2 mile away! Someone put me in a time machine & take me back there! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Any other Santa-Barbarians out there in COTH-land?

Beachpony http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes! I started "formal" riding lessons at Hope Ranch Riding Club with Judy Whiting in early 60's. I rode alongside Dale Obern Hofflinger, then mounted on a hackney pony! Loved the big stucco arch, tile roof, and central grass courtyard. Spotlessly maintained by Judy and Peter. I am so glad that way of horsekeeping was imprinted on my brain early (there was no Pony Club then in SB.) Although the stables are gone and the expansive fields are replaced by huge homes, the trails are still well maintained and riders have a couple of dedicated arenas (The Modoc ring - made famous by Kip Goldreyer in the "Thinking Horseman" column in Practical Horseman.) Southern Pines is the only place that sounds better than Hope Ranch to live and own horses. We lived up on Foothill Road, so I had to ride down over the freeway to Hope Ranch for lessons and to ride with my friends to the beach. I still ride there occasionally with a home town friend. Sigh!

As an aside, if you continued up the beach from the Hope Ranch access point, you encountered the semi-official nude beach. I rode once in later years down to the beach with Jack Miller (Miller Harness) and he led me up through the nude beach in the fog. Surreal effect of naked bodies appearing and disapearing in the fog, ignoring our horses. I later found out this was his favorite "suprise" for east coast visitors who took up his invitation to go riding.

[o2binca]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:

Terru, is that Jane on Tap in the jumper picture? WIW can he use his front end. Awesome! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Believe it or not that is me in the jumpers. Jane's leg was twice as long and half the width of mine. I spent a year trying to do the jumpers, but was never particularly successful, though I got some great pictures out of it. I used to think I was going so fast and would always have time faults in the jumpoff. The only time I won is if everyone else had a rail. After a year I think we all decided that I should stay in the hunter ring and Jane needed a horse so she got the ride on Tap, though she managed to escape the junior jumpers altogether.

And FWIW I never get tired of seeing horse pictures and would love it if you and everyone else posted your picutes on here. Please!!

[justjilli]

i am an ol timer also,,the turkey show,del mar, santa maria were the best..so much fun in those days.. with great jr. riders like laura leynwood,jamie mann, twiggie, and mary walker. the great pros were diane grod,kenny nordstrom larry langer,and the karasisis brothers. the best local show was sleepy hollow , run by lary langer. those were the days of no drugs. my favorite horse was the godfather and spindletop showdown.

[Party Rose]

Plumcreek - I rode with Jack Miller in the 60's at Boulder Brook in Scarsdale, New York. He kept his horse there and he was always so nice to us. No nude beaches in Westchester though. Lyn Estes use to ride and show his horse.

[Chef Jade]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
I remember the dreaded log pile from the Flintridge show. I have a picture of Valor and me going over it, but it is blurry because we were going so fast. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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My favorite picture of me and my old horse, Rocky (Front Page Story) is over those logs! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My mom had Michael Tang do a watercolor of it, and its just gorgeous. This jump is now memorialized over our fireplace in the dining room.

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Peggy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Skinner:
speaking of Old West Coasters, does anyone know where Madeline Sarafian or Madeline Schaefer is? She rode at Flintridge back then and I hear she is riding pro/training up in No Cal. somewhere??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Inland central coast, last I heard. North and east of San Luis Obisbo??? A friend whose parents taught (?) at Flintridge was the source of the info, but it's been a few years. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, being completely out of the gossip loop around here...I can tell you there is a Madeline that teaches around this area. The trainers have been barn swapping so much lately that I don't remember where she landed. I also have no idea of her last name...so it may not even be her.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
The Modoc ring - made famous by Kip Goldreyer in the "Thinking Horseman" column in Practical Horseman.
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I had a childhood friend who lived across the street from the Modoc ring. We used to go over there and play "horse" all the time. There was a pasture next to the ring (or very close) that had a couple horses in it. Being the horrible, rotten horse crazy kids we were, we would climb the fence to play with the horses...and ocassionally try to hop on. I'll leave it up to the imagination if we were successful in that endeavor or not. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Party Rose:
_Plumcreek - _ I rode with Jack Miller in the 60's.... and he was always so nice to us. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What impressed me most about that beach ride with Jack Miller, was that the bridle on his horse I was riding was well taken care of and had a patched rein http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gifhttp://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif, and they owned one of the largest tack companies in the world. Pretty classy. His daughter, Martha, had/has? a farm north of Hope Ranch in Goleta named Two Boot Farm http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:

Along with Santa Barbara, anyone else go further north and show at Santa Rosa, the Sonoma County Fairgrounds? During August, they had a long multi-day A-rated show. We'd haul up there and show, plus go on awesome side trips. It was like a horse show + a vacation. I think we went every year for over a decade.

Here's ANOTHER June Fallaw photo, from Santa Rosa. (I finally figured out how to properly scan a black and white photo!) http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's 1971. The horse was this tiny, refined, hot TB, but he was a blast to show. I love all the people out in the arena with me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be the CSHA Championship Show! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Those of us that showed in NorCal lived for that show and State Fair when all the riders and trainers from the South would come North and show. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
In your photo, Col. Alex Sysin is judging, and you have a full "uniformed" ring crew behind you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm having so much fun reading this thread...I need to scan photos too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Carol

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Saddlebag:
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif And then there was Santa Maria! We had such fun there, and everyone behaved badly as I recall. In 1973, I don't think I ever went to bed before 3AM...after the bar closed at The Santa Maria Inn, everyone (including the bartender) moved to the lobby and continued the party there! We fed the horses at 7AM (Grooms? What were Grooms in those days?), ate some pie at the home made pie stand just inside the Fair concourse, went back to the Inn to nap for a bit...showed Hunters in the afternoon, napped and swam from 4PM to 6PM...then got ready to show in the Jumpers...after which, the party started all over again!
Nope...Horse shows ain't like that anymore! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I loffed Santa Maria http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif The Inn was the most fun...everybody stayed there. Running up and down the halls till the wee hours, spying on the trainers, the little bar in the corner, the fantastic lobby, the dining and breakfast room, and the original art work in the hotel rooms. Those pictures by ...well there's no chance I can spell it correctly at this moment... Bareen...the western artist are highly prized and sought after... hence expensive now!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif One year I had a crush on Tom Pratt (trainer) and stalked the poor man around the hotel. He was kind and didn't let a 14 or 15 year old tailing him ruin his good time! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif
Carol

[hunterprincess]

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Originally posted by Skinner:
speaking of Old West Coasters, does anyone know where Madeline Sarafian or Madeline Schaefer is? She rode at Flintridge back then and I hear she is riding pro/training up in No Cal. somewhere???
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Madeline is up here in San Luis Obispo training out of a new barn, But it is hard to keep track of where she trains out of, she changes barns quite often.She was based out of RugBugs and my barn when I first started riding there about 15 years ago.

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nor_Cal_Gal:
In your photo, Col. Alex Sysin is judging, and you have a full "uniformed" ring crew behind you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm having so much fun reading this thread...I need to scan photos too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Carol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I really am blown away. Col. Alex Sysin used to come down and help (FOR FREE!) the little dressage group I rode with in the mid-60's. We met at Earl Warren when it was available, and he would coach us backyard (but dedicated) kids. Bunny Funke, a local great-hearted woman organized all that for a $10 fee per kid to Earl Warren Showgrounds. Much later, when I learned who Col. Sysin really was, I wished I had been older and better at the time. Things like that just don't happen today.

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nor_Cal_Gal:
and the original art work in the hotel rooms. Those pictures by ...well there's no chance I can spell it correctly at this moment... Bareen...the western artist are highly prized and sought after... hence expensive now!!
Carol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ed Borein

All you guys on this thread that showed at those circuits were the kids I was insanely jealous of at the time! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[dunlapl]

Alex Sysin was quite an artist also. I have an original oil painting he did of my chestnut mare Sunday's Child in the early 70's. I have it proudly displayed in my living room!

[beachpony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
As an aside, if you continued up the beach from the Hope Ranch access point, you encountered the semi-official nude beach. I rode once in later years down to the beach with Jack Miller (Miller Harness) and he led me up through the nude beach in the fog. Surreal effect of naked bodies appearing and disapearing in the fog, ignoring our horses. I later found out this was his favorite "suprise" for east coast visitors who took up his invitation to go riding. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Boy did I ever crack-up when I read that!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif Sounds like something Jack would have done for sure!!!
Plumcreek-
I have a picture of my horse in the courtyard at Hope Ranch Riding Club. I'll post it when I can figure out how to post pictures on here (along with my old Fallaw pictures).

justjilli-
You have great taste in horses from that era! Godfather was the coolest (and he knew it for sure) & Spindletop Showdown was absolutely magnificent! They were super-stars! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Gunnar]

Here I am on Floyd, my Hunter, Jumper, Eq. Horse). As if anyone could recognize me with me with no head. I was an Ammie in 77 so A/O jumpers?? I remember riding at night. By then (over 18) I was a big Chicken so I am not sure we were too sucessful. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

http://community.webshots.com/photo/185757178/185764345kLtKqz

[Gunnar]

I think this is a Fallaw Photo of my boy Shiloh, with one of his "kids" on him. Probably later 70's. Santa Rosa.

He was Champion at Santa Barbara as I recall when she took him there.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/185757178/185764465hRWqOG

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nor_Cal_Gal:
and the original art work in the hotel rooms. Those pictures by ...well there's no chance I can spell it correctly at this moment... Bareen...the western artist are highly prized and sought after... hence expensive now!!
Carol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ed Borein
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Thank you, Plumcreek! I hoped someone would know who I was talking about http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lindy,
That is so great you have a painting by Alex! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif We have a couple (or more?) at the Ranch that he had done that we inherited after we settled his estate. Now, I'm anxious to find out exactly which ones we have. They aren't our horses but ones he did for practice/fun of other people's horses. (Not commissioned by the owners.) I also have the little art books he published of his horse portraits. Those are so fun to look at and to recognize all the great horses of the past from our show scene. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Plumcreek]

Nor Cal Gal, I wanted to say what Col. Sysin had accomplished, but cannot find the scrapbook with the obituary. Were you related? Can you tell us? I'm pretty sure Olympic Gold Medals were involved.

[Zonie]

I also remember the year it POURED rain at Indio, the rubber boat in the barn aisle and the poem posted next to it: "Indio river got your goat? Forget the oxer, try our boat!"

Del Mar was my first show ever -- Equitation on the flat, 9 & under. I remember being thrilled with my huge 8th place ribbon and seeing my name in that monstrous program. Anyone else remember the drive-in movies across the street?

Watching Susie Hutchison & Bionic Woman and Anne Kursinski on Full House in the Jumper Classics; Ed Marcy & Hoi Polloi in the Hunters.

Ah, memories...

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
Nor Cal Gal, I wanted to say what Col. Sysin had accomplished, were you related? Can you tell us? I'm pretty sure Olympic Gold Medals were involved. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alex was such a fine horseman and gentleman and so accomplished! He was a delightful personal friend of my family. My dad is a retired trainer and judge in NorCal. Alex spent his later retired years living on the property where my dad and I trained in Sacramento because he was being victimized by his neighbors at his apartment complex. They took advantage of his advanced age and gentle qualities. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif So my parents and some of their customers made sure Alex had a dignified retirement in his later years. He would accompany us to the State Fair show and visit with all his old cronies. He would sit on his porch and watch me school horses and make astute comments about the horses. Alex never remarried after the death of his wife and had no children. So when he passed away most of his small estate was willed to my parents. He is buried in New Castle, a small country town, about 5 minutes from our Ranch.
I'll write more about his riding later after I pick my parents' brains for all the details that I might have forgotten. (I don't think he rode in the Olympics.)
Carol

[justjilli]

does any one remember the side show(freak) at the fair? i mean at the santa maria horseshow. my trainer JOLENE LABOUR was stables right next to their tents..oooo that was strainge !

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
Bunny Funke, a local great-hearted woman organized all that for a $10 fee per kid to Earl Warren Showgrounds. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could that Bunny be Bunny Sexton who has a place in Santa Ynez and runs the Pony Club out of it? (I mean really, how many Bunnys can there be? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

[Bumpkin]

NorCalGal, what a wonderful thing your family did for Col. Sysin.
Judith Spreckles use to print his pictures in her HORSES magazine all the time.
I think the Sysin's use to be in issues "Here's Who In Horses", the 1940 versions of HORSES.

[Bumpkin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
Bunny Funke, a local great-hearted woman organized all that for a $10 fee per kid to Earl Warren Showgrounds. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could that Bunny be Bunny Sexton who has a place in Santa Ynez and runs the Pony Club out of it? (I mean really, how many Bunnys can there be? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOTS!!!

There is Bunny Mellon, and up here Bunny Coffin.

[Bumpkin]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RugBug:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
Bunny Funke, a local great-hearted woman organized all that for a $10 fee per kid to Earl Warren Showgrounds. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could that Bunny be Bunny Sexton who has a place in Santa Ynez and runs the Pony Club out of it? (I mean really, how many Bunnys can there be? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lots, there is Bunny Mellon and up here, Bunny Coffin.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[monstrpony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nor_Cal_Gal:


Those of us that showed in NorCal lived for that show and State Fair <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was wondering if anyone would mention State Fair. I was mostly just a local gal, but I went to State Fair the year I graduated from high school, instead of going to the senior all-nighter (total horse geek). I was riding western at the time, and actually ribboned in my equitation class; I still have that ribbon, 36 years later!

I'd ridden english also, enough to enjoy watching Susie Hutchinson in the equitation classes--she was such a cut above the rest!!

[Plumcreek]

RugBug, nope, Bunny Funke (I also knew her as Bunny Klein) did move to Santa Ynez, but probably passed away many years ago.

Nor Cal Gal,
Oops! Got my Colonels mixed up. Found the scrapbook, and it was Col. Earl Thomson who earned silver and gold medals in dressage and three day, and rode in 5 Olympics, in the 30s and 40s. He was retired in California and did not judge or do any high profile things. Being curious, I dug up this interesting account of Col. Thomson, and the US Army Olympic teams. Army Olympic Teams (http://www.militaryhorse.org/features/dimarco/team1.asp)

[Plumcreek]

OK, ducks head, I bring up Clyde Kennedy.

He qualified a jumper for the AQHA World Show one year, late in his career, and showed 'em all how it was done. Every time he passed through the timer at the end of a clean, all clean, round, he would slide the horse to a stop and do a couple of very nice spins - all in his spiffy English tack and attire. Brought the house down.

[jogem]

Yes, Clyde Kennedy was a truly great horseman. I, also, have a print painted by Alex Sysin of a horse I owned. As a kid I rode at Stanford Stables. Anyone remember the Mounted Patrol grounds in Woodside? The Playpen in Woodside with the beautiful cross country course? The grass was so high the would mow a path up to the jumps and on the other side of the jumps. Playpen was owned by John Galvin.

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jogem:
Yes, Clyde Kennedy was a truly great horseman. I, also, have a print painted by Alex Sysin of a horse I owned. As a kid I rode at Stanford Stables. Anyone remember the Mounted Patrol grounds in Woodside? The Playpen in Woodside with the beautiful cross country course? The grass was so high the would mow a path up to the jumps and on the other side of the jumps. Playpen was owned by John Galvin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, yes, and yes!! Do you remember Gary Ryman's dad running the in/out gate for the Woodside shows? Those were such great one day shows http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Carol

[fourmares]

I loved the Mounted Patrol grounds! And Santa Rosa showing the hunters on the grass. Particularly the year they put the 3'6" arena on the hill, that was fun. How about Almeden Summer show in Watsonville. I always liked that one. And Pebble Beach when had one day when the hunters showed on the outside course.

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jogem:
Playpen was owned by John Galvin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

John Galvin also owned a fairly fabulous farm in Santa Ynez. When he left suddenly (ahem) to return to Europe, he left his horses with his trainer Eric Bubbel. They became Bubbel's school horses, and my little dressage club and I had several marvelous group lessons on those very nice horses! This was the late 60's.

[o2binca]

I loved The Mounted Patrol grounds too. Those were the first shows I went to. Then a few at Fremont Hills, the Menlo Circus Club and finally one at Lakeside Ranch. I think I managed to pick up the wrong lead in the eq class in every one of those places.

Jogem, did you ride with a trainer at Stanford? I started riding in the group lessons at the Circus Club...you'd arrive and there would be horses tacked up and tied to trees all over the place. It was very fun.

[justjilli]

does anyone out there remember PETER LOOKER? or REX ROSSOL?

[jogem]

o2binca, when I was at Stanford, I took lessons from Judy Mangin, who went on later to ride for and I think marry Dave Kelly. The big honchos at Stanford at that time were Ellie Lowe, Frankie Chamberlain and Lolly Coonan.

[dunlapl]

I remember loading up the horses at 4 a.m. and going from Stockton to the Mounted Patrol Grounds show. I loved it!! Remember when Talley Ho was at Menlo and the best one day show in the state? The open jumpers went in that little sand ring at night, and so did the stock horses!!! I still have my first place ribbon and giant silver punch bowl from Talley Ho for winning the Jr. Jumpers oh so long ago.

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dunlapl:
Remember when Talley Ho was at Menlo and the best one day show in the state? The open jumpers went in that little sand ring at night, and so did the stock horses!!! I still have my first place ribbon and giant silver punch bowl from Talley Ho for winning the Jr. Jumpers oh so long ago. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif I still use a beautiful silver serving dish that I won for the Onondarka Medal. How many years ago do you think 12 and under was for me?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Carol http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Linda]

Speaking of a long time ago....I have the silver champagne ice bucket our families horse Beyond Belief won in the mid 60's as the PCHA Green Working Hunter for that yr. It's actually a trophy that gets some use!

Anyone here from LaJolla Farms?

[justjilli]

nor_cal_gal what year was it that you won the onondarka medal at menlo?

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jogem:
Yes, Clyde Kennedy was a truly great horseman. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He was one of the last in a series of guys who could do it all on the back of a horse.

And he was pretty consistent as a judge. I must admit, I won quite a bit under him in equitation. I remember, though, my trainer always reminding me to stuff my bra when I showed under him. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[libgrrl]

Linda -- PT me!!!!!

[Peggy]

Ah, Clyde Kennedy. We went to look at horses at his place. We were looking for a horse for me to learn "for real" jumping on, but didn't have much of a budget. What he had turned out to be pretty green. Somehow, he managed to talk me and the uber-greenies over fences that were higher than anything I'd ever jumped. My mom was terrified, but must have had some level of confidence in the situation since she didn't stop it.

[Nationalvelvet]

Peter Looker........was he great looking or what?

I am looking right now at a win picture from the mid-70's and Peter is presenting......

Memories, lost between the pages of my mind..... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

[wtywmn4]

Peter is still around, and is aging beautifully http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He even has started to ride again. Saw him showing in the h/j's. He had gotten the horse as a birthday present from his wife & kids. He announced the PCHA awards banquet this year.

[beachpony]

Peter Looker!!
Boy, that's a name I haven't heard in a million years! Did we all have a crush on him or WHAT!!! So cute and always so nice! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Last time I saw him we played tennis together in Montecito. Where is he riding?
And Rex Rossol & his dad Malcolm. Where are they?

Linda & Libgrrl-
I rode at La Jolla Farms for a little while around 1976 & of course LOVED the shows there! Remember the cool track we used to gallop around!? It still makes me cry when I drive past where it used to be! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif My horse that I had when I boarded there was named "Total Eclipse". Big black 17 hand TB.

[libgrrl]

I was a barn rat at La Jolla Farms until they got evicted.

I loved that track! I took one of the schoolies up there and thought I'd play Kentucky Derby -- and that was the first time I ever fell off!

Lindy Esau was my first instructor. I think she was very pregnant w/Emily at the time...

[Lord Helpus]

Who was the DARLING blond guy who dressed up all of the presentation pictures? I think his name was Bobby something.

I also loved the Santa Rosa shows. I remember the winter show one year when Sidney Christianson was judging. He sat on those aluminum bleachers with a lap robe around his legs from 8 am until 11 pm and it was COLD! I have not a clue how he did it. You could not have paid me enough money to sit there for 2 hours, much less 15 hours.

I have to laugh -- When I first went to Santa Rosa and was told that the covered arena was called the "little Cow Palace" I thought it was called that as a joke because it was so much smaller than the real Cow Palace.

I think it was over a year later that I finally discovered that it was actually the Lyttle Cow Palace, named after someone named Lyttle.

[justjilli]

rex now lives in santa yenez,, still not married as of last year.. where does peter live?

[Nor_Cal_Gal]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
Who was the DARLING blond guy who dressed up all of the presentation pictures? I think his name was Bobby something.
QUOTE]

Ohhh, it's on the tip of my brain...LOL I want to say something with a D for his last name...Drennan or such??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[beachpony]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nor_Cal_Gal:
Ohhh, it's on the tip of my brain...LOL I want to say something with a D for his last name...Drennan or such??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're right. It's Bob Drennan.

libgrll-
We must have been at La Jolla Farms at the same time.
Does everybody get the feeling we all used to know each other in our "past horseshow lives"? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Party Rose]

Jack Miller's horse in New York that Lynn Estes use to show was named Donalia, or something close to that.

[Merry]

Speaking of the Chris Beck Arena at Santa Rosa... Here's a photo from 1984 of me aboard Baba Yaga, my sister's great horse (a 17.1 hand appendix Quarter) in an ammy owner class.

Linda Hough was the judge in this class. You can see her, in pink wearing a visor, off to the left in the judge's box. I think that was the show I won both the NorCal and the Foxfield medal. Woo-hoo!

Notice my lovely rust breeches. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[wtywmn4]

Peter rides with Rainbow Canyon, and I think he lives not too far from them.

Yup Bob Drennan be the cutie. He now dresses up WEF, with their presentations. Oversees alot of PR and things down there. Flip flops between the coasts...

OMG LH that is too funny, cept I too thought it was a joke the first time. Then someone spelled Lyttle Cow Palace, and spained it to me.

I think Malcolm is still announcing a few shows. He was doing Menlo at the main hunter ring, and lives in Lancaster I think??

[Merry]

And speaking of Malcolm, when we were really into breeding warmbloods, I bought a horse that had been bred by the Rossolls. Her name was Get A Fox, by Getaway II. Remember all the nice hunters sired by Getaway II?

Malcolm remembered the mare. She'd kind of fallen on hard times. I bought her at the Pomona auction at the LA Country Fairgrounds for $350!!! We got her fattened up and she was lovely. She had a couple of gorgeous foals for us and then we sold her in-foal to Argus.

God, can I ramble on, or what? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[Plumcreek]

Merry, you and your sister had nice horses!! And/or horses that you made to look nice http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif.

[justjilli]

malcolm rossol caught me comming out of peter's hotel room at aroung 6am at the santa maria horse show, rex rossol and bobby lynn had a stay away secret code,, that was if the cowboy boot is still in the window DONT COME IN ,,lol those were the days!

[Coreene]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Merry:
Speaking of the Chris Beck Arena at Santa Rosa... Here's a photo from 1984 of me aboard Baba Yaga, my sister's great horse (a 17.1 hand appendix Quarter) in an ammy owner class. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Real Beezer. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

Getaway II, that's one I have not heard for ages. Reminds me of when there were so many hunters by Father John as well. Or who can forget the arrival of the first WBs?

[Jodigurl]

Hey Libgrrrl!!! I rode with Chuck and bought a horse from Lindy, but Emily was just starting college! Finally, someone older (?) than me! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Merry]

Oh my God, Coreene, we had one by Father John, too. Her name was Honey Please. Bob McDonald snapped her up right away for one of his clients. You know, back in the Dark Ages of several decades ago. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Plumcreek:
Merry, you and your sister had nice horses!! And/or horses that you made to look nice. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow, how nice! That comment made my day!

Honestly, every one of our horses then (as now) had their quirks and shortcomings. We couldn't afford really expensive horses, so we either bred and raised them or bought them as very young, very cheap babies. We kind of had to "dance with the boys that brung us."

And back then, the horses had to jump 3'6"... or nothing. So we learned to get up in the tack and gallop on down to those jumps. Yee-haw! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[libgrrl]

Yeah, I'm a fossil... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Linda]

libgirl
When were you at LaJolla farms?
I was there in the mid 60's.

[justjilli]

does anyone know what ever happened to JOHN LAPARI????

[libgrrl]

Ha!!! I rode with John!!!

Good question!!

And Linda -- I responded to your pt...

[Peggy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by justjilli:
does anyone know what ever happened to JOHN LAPARI???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did I hear that he was in Norco?

[Party Rose]

I thought I saw him at Showpark last year. Isn't he still in San Diego? I saw "SO" (or is it the X-SO?) in CostCo last week.

[Lord Helpus]

Great pic, Merry.

I've had a virus, so I've been MIA for a bit -- that's why I'm late with my "Way ta' go's!

But, inquiring minds just HAVE to know.... What happened to your posts? How is it that you have ZERO posts?

Were you banned, but found a way to sneak back in? Erin doesn't know you're here, so the counter hasn't started running on you again?

I just gotta know. It's making me CRAZY. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peggy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justjilli:
does anyone know what ever happened to JOHN LAPARI???? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did I hear that he was in Norco? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oddly enough, John Lipari trains and sells horses out of a local facility that pretty much backs up to El Ranchito: Stacey Turner's stable.

He sort of takes over the coaching of the kids who graduate out of the lesson program and want to show more.

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
But, inquiring minds just HAVE to know.... What happened to your posts? How is it that you have ZERO posts?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Me? Banned? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

I'm a lifetime member. I even have the tattoo.

I have nearly 10,000 posts (God forbid). It's YOU have zero... at least on my monitor! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Oh wait. Now you're back to your real number of posts. Must be another *burp* in the upgrades of Infopoop.

[Party Rose]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is it summer yet in CA? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It sure seemed like it's on it's way today. But the rain comes tomorrow night for possibly an extended period with heavy rains. I wonder if they'll finally get to open the Lake Hodges Dam, but first forewarn those downstream as in "Showpark"!!!! The rattle snakes will be out once again.

On another note, Eve is thinking ahead of me. I highlighted your location, copied it, hit reply and the reply box came up with the quote and the HTML.

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Party Rose:
[QUOTE]Is it summer yet in CA? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Grrrr!! I just did barn check and it was 10 degrees on the thermometer outside the barn.

Can't believe I ever left Santa Barbara.

[wtywmn4]

Oh lordy, do I ever remember those days Plumcreek. -10 wind chill factor when I shipped my horse out of Colorado.. Now I kick myself when whinning, kinda like it could be worse. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[justjilli]

what ever happened to Prima Martini?? she had such a nice horse called BREMAN

[Coreene]

A few years back Prima worked for Richard Spooner's mom Ginny. Dunno where she went after that.

[Plumcreek]

The problem with being a former West Coaster is that you can never go back if you want horse property. I have a nice 5 acre place in Colorado, but equal property anywhere near Santa Barbara would cost 3-4 times as much.

[justjilli]

plumcreek who did you ride with and who do you ride with now?

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justjilli:
plumcreek who did you ride with and who do you ride with now? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nobody big, I was not a well-funded kid, but very horse-crazy. I hung out constantly at every big Earl Warren show, sometimes showing but mostly watching. I started with Judy Whiting at Hope Ranch Riding Club circa 1962 (she and Peter later moved to Santa Ynez to Anvil Ranch to raise racehorses). But, I had no idea you could beg your very middle class parents to spend money they didn't have on a competetive horse, so I spun off into dressage, NATRC competative trail riding and eventually Quarter Horses and reiners. Now I am glad I had all that varied experience! Lessoned some with Alan Cobham (sp?) in LA in college. In Colorado, I ride with Suzi Balensiefen (Mile Post Farm), an "R" judge (she trained in Oregon early 70's), an old school lady who is great with young hunters, and values haul in clients like me who do their own flat training. The barn is showing at Tucson now. I am having a rehab horse year, and pouring money into house remodel http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif. How about yourself?

Oh, I forgot 1990-93 in Reno, Nv, where I rode with Julie Winkle at Maplewood. Great experience!

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Plumcreek:
The problem with being a former West Coaster is that you can never go back if you want horse property. I have a nice 5 acre place in Colorado, but equal property anywhere near Santa Barbara would cost 3-4 times as much. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't that the general problem with California? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I've been thinking about moving out of state, but oce you get use to lower housing prices, how can you ever move back?

[Duende]

OK, I'll chime in. I remember the old Santa Barbara shows and had a blast. I started riding there when I was 7 with Bob Kovacs on a mare called A Touch of Class. I did the mare in the kid's division and Bob's rider Carol did her in the open divisions. She was the nastiest mare but she was basically unbeatable.

I remember riding around in Jimmy William's golf cart and asking what the adults were drinking. They always told me apple juice but I couldn't have any. Took me a while to figure out that what they were drinking was a whole lot more fermented than apple juice.

I remember doing the Bridle Path Hack in Santa Rosa. I was tiny and the mare was 15.1. I had a really hard time getting back on so I slowly started removing articles of clothing and handing them to the judge in an attempt to lighten myself up. After I took the helmet, gloves and jacket came off, the judge gave me a leg up. I think he feared having a naked, little 7 year old trying to still get on.

Years later o2binca - do you remember lunging Mark and him getting away? He ran around with a lunge whip in his tail. Great horse but a little bezerko.

Oh the memories! I'll have to dig out some June Fallaw pics, scan them and post them.

It all seems like ages ago now. I now am standing ringside watching my little squirt try to nail all the jumps in the pony ring. It was much easier being the one on the horse rather than the one watching. Even more painful is being the one that has to pay

[daytimedrama]

Just so you know it does feel like summer, or a nice spring day in Santa Barbara. Cloudy this morning already burned off, I'd say 65-70. But yes supposedly it is going to "rain" tomorrow

[Bumpkin]

Plumcreek, Dublin rode with Suzy when Suzy was training in Oregon.
I remember the first real Warmblood hunter I had ever seen being ridden by Suzy, "King of Hearts", a Westfalen gelding. I use to love watching her show him.
Suzy B. is a beautiful rider and person.

[prudence]

PC - Wow, I didn't know anybody else rode with Alan Cobham. He was my mother's student at Harbor Junior College and gave me lessons. I remember his little brother was in the movie, The Sound of Music, and Alan moved to somewhere like Tennessee. Did you ride in Rolling Hills? People around me rode with people like Judy Martin and Joaquin D'Harncourt. I was not of wealthy stock; I remember once riding my horse over to Portuguese Bend RC with I think ten dollars in my pocket for a lesson with Joaquin. Big deal to me. Portuguese Bend was cool.

[Linda]

Portuguese Bend is still cool. It's one of the loveliest barns and grounds around. For those who haven't seen it, it's an old spanish style building (stucco and red tile roofs) with a big cobblestone courtyard. Lots of landscaping - flowers everywhere and it's right above the beach so it has a gorgeous ocean view.

I rode there about 15 yrs ago. At the time, there was a big pony club cross country course right across the street. Unfortunately, something happened and the whole pony club piece was not only shut down, it was fenced off with ugly chain link fencing. Too bad.

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by prudence:
People around me rode with people like Judy Martin and Joaquin D'Harncourt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I always had the greatest respect for Judy Martin. Her daughter, Julie, was a hoot! After she got into barrel racing she came out to El Ranchito to look at one of our young hunters for a friend of hers who still rode with her mom. (They bought the horse). We had a great time reminiscing about the A show circuit of years past.

It was shortly after that that Julie was diagnosed with cancer and died. Once again, it was another case of a vibrant spirit being struck down by a hideous disease. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

(Sorry for being such a downer on this otherwise nice thread!) http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

[wtywmn4]

Merry you're at zero again! Does it happen when you hit that magic mark of 10,000??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Am heading for levity..We have and still are losing too many http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wtywmn4:
Merry you're at zero again! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
And then... Bang! Zoom! I'm back up to the actual number of posts! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Or am I?


Sometimes reality is so difficult to grasp.

[Plumcreek]

Bumpkin - Thanks for the nice words about Suzy Balensiefen. I'll pass them on. It is a privledge to ride with her, and she is a role model for old world civility and the absolutely correct way to train a horse.

Prudence - Alan Cobham came to Long Beach to teach where I boarded at the Long Beach Freeway and 405 interchange, next to the river. At that time, Judy Martin lived across the river in a subdivision house. She had her jumps set up out behind the house on the river trail - kinda long and thin space. Her students boarded nearby, and came riding down the river trail for their lessons. Must have been her early days, but even then she was a top equitation trainer. I used to watch a lot from horseback. I did board for a while across from Rolling Hills Estates, and used to ride the trails there often (with my little permit hung around my neck http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif).

Who used to show at Empty Saddle Club?
This thread is fun!

[prudence]

Why I used to show at the Empty Saddle Club. I got a second in equitation once - loved the shady trees and watching the jousting. I remember summers and getting to go in the class right after the water truck had done its job - pure pleasure.

I belonged to the Rolling Hills Pony Club in those days. Our leader was a very young Linda Tellington, married at the time to Wentworth.

[Peggy]

Ah, the Empty Saddle Club, complete with cow odor (there were horses that I don't think ever made it to the chute end of the "Roping Arena") and good old boy spectators. Most of the shows are now at Howlett Park b/c the residents around ESC didn't want all the traffic.

I only rode in PV as an adult and, by then, Judy Martin was at Seahorse.

My youth was spent riding in Malibu and showing at Crummer Field (where my mom managed the ETI shows) and the Trancas Riders and Ropers arena.

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by prudence:
I belonged to the Rolling Hills Pony Club in those days. Our leader was a very young Linda Tellington, married at the time to Wentworth. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool! I went to LT's horsemanship camp at Badger, near Visalia, while she was married to Wentworth Tellington. Did you know Sherry Molina and Mary Jane (who married Rod Kelly)? I know they were in the RH Pony Club.

[prudence]

I went to Badger too Plumcreek! Did you do endurance with them? I remember the shows were really fun - we had Gambler's Luck jumping where if y ou were riding someone like Red Fox you could go back and forth across the highest point jumps and win. I rode Earthaquake sometimes in them. Did you swim in the pond and play with the danes (dogs)? Do you remember feeding vinegar and VYM?

[Plumcreek]

Prudence - Got the photo albumn here. Names from Badger are Eleanore Woljtes (instructor), Vicki Jackman, Cheri Blickenstaff, Martha Merrium. Horses I rode - Dancer, Resolute. I only got to spend one week there - in 1965. We mostly did cross country jumping. The photos of me jumping were taken by Linda! Loved it. Swam in the pond, fed vinegar, comfrey, and learned about face swirls - a study I have continued to this day. I have always wanted to visit LT in Santa Fe and tell her how much she influnced me. One of the most fun weeks of my life.

[prudence]

Well I am Martha! Yes I remember riding Sir Dancelot - remember he always needed a loose rein and was hard to catch. He could jump anything. Resolute was a big teddy. I liked the Hungarians - they may have come later. I have two horses with swirls now and they are especially good. How funny...

I saw Linda last summer at the Tevis Cup Ride and talked to her a little. She is the same.

[prudence]

LT was a big influence on my life as well. I have since talked to another "Tellington girl" who told me that her time at the farm was the most important of her life.

Everyone must be so bored...

[Plumcreek]

Hee Hee, I have a photo of you standing in the creek holding "Blue". We rode together some. I was Lynn Vokal. 40 years ago, Wow!

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peggy:
Ah, the Empty Saddle Club, complete with cow odor (there were horses that I don't think ever made it to the chute end of the "Roping Arena") and good old boy spectators. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh my gosh, those were the days, eh? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

Yes, all of the trailers and vans would park in a circle around the main arena under the eucalyptus trees. I rode in my first George Morris clinic at Empty Saddle Club.

Anyone remember showing in Los Angeles at the old Pickwick Riding Club, near the place that stabled a lot of the horses used in TV and movies? There was a tack store right near the arena that sold both huntseat and saddleseat apparel. I remember once I fell in love with this gorgeous powder blue coat... until the clerk politely informed that it was part of a saddleseat outfit. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[prudence]

Hi Lynn! I remember your name but not your face - weird huh. Were you my age or thereabouts (15)? Blond hair? I don't have any pictures from Badger except one group picture from '64 I think. Just memories.

[Peggy]

I remember going to Pickwick to watch the Jackpot Jumpers at night. Quite a colorful crowd, IIRC.

Here is a photo taken at Empty Saddle Club in 1983. Note the rust breeches and the fact that the horses are braided for a local ETI show. Try not to notice the fact that the stirrups aren't run up on one saddle.

Horses are Jive, shown most sucessfully as a jumper and eventer, and Sadat, my mom's horse--beautiful and talented, but with a bit too much Nasrullah too close. The other person is my mom. (oops no other person, at least facing forward in this photo)

[Plumcreek]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by prudence:
Hi Lynn! I remember your name but not your face - weird huh. Were you my age or thereabouts (15)? Blond hair? I don't have any pictures from Badger except one group picture from '64 I think. Just memories. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, that's me! I would have been 15 also in 1965. I have photos of the pond, jumps, etc. PT me and I will try and make copies of the ones I have and send them to you if you'd like.

[prudence]

I pt'd you! If you could scan a few and email them that would be very nice of you.

[justjilli]

plumcreek--where do i start?? i rode as a child with JOLENE LABOUR, my horses name was SAMPSON showing at empty saddle club as well, crummer feild,sleepy hollow,etc, then i got a job with SHARI and MERLE ROSE "monopoly farms". at 21 i was in a bad car accident. dropped out of sight till i could ride again. then i a job with SHARI and TOMMY LOWE,a few years later later started my own buisness."TREVI FARMS" i took on LESLIE STEELE as a partner ( she could ride anything ,as i could not) got married to kevin white the blacksmith, got devorced and moved east. thats it in a nut shell.

[justjilli]

oh and i also did the saturday night jumpers at pickwick,, the mexican restraunt VIVA is still there! great tacos !!

[Bumpkin]

Plumcreek, I use to live in Rolling Hills Estates and in PV. My first job was at the Hot Dog on a Stick on the Redondo Beach Pier.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I loved riding my bike to work every morning, past the trails down the middle section of the road and then along the beachfront.

[justjilli]

didnt randy redmar have ODION K and STELLA at portuguese bend, before rob gage took it over?

[prudence]

All of this is so familiar to my feeble brain. What I REALLLY miss is the Horse Laundry in Pasadena. I got a McClellan saddle there that was one of about 100 that had been used in the movies. Used tack and riding clothes galore. I still have the saddle and probably other purchases from there (yes I am a pack rat).

[Chef Jade]

Finally back to some subjects which I can relate to. I grew up riding in PV/Rolling Hills, too. But, alas, I am a *few* years behind many of you.

Unfortunately I heard that Portugese Bend is now in disrepair.

I showed at the Empty Saddle Club as a kid. When I rode, the Portugese Bend Horse Show was held there. I remember looking forward to getting to compete with the "big kids" on all their expensive, fancy horses. I rode my morgan to and from the show each day for the short stirrup classes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The very next year...maybe '89? I got my first "fancy" horse, a young TB. I won one of the Children's Hunter classes on him - and boy did I think I had "made it!" http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

This is the same horse of whom I have a lovely June Fallaw picture from Flintridge.

[LovesHorses]

Hey the jumper jackpots at Pickwick can't be that old as I showed in those many times and I'm only 21! They were fun and it was nice to actually be able to win back more than you paid in entry fees.

[Coreene]

Back to the Viva. There is just nothing more fun than having lunch there on a Saturday afternoon, in the back room, and watch that trail. It is like a breed freeway, every breed you've ever read about and then some.

[Release First]

Thanks everyone for all the good memories. Mentioning Pickwick brought me back to my teenage years when it was common for a bunch of us to ride from Onondarka, which was at the other end of Griffith Park, to Viva and have lunch, watch what was going on on the cricket fields, Pickwick, and Jack Ds and ride home. We did this on our "show "horses too. Also memorable was watching little Poncho Frankle on her big gray draft horse trotting the Open Jumper classes. It was kind of nice that back then not everything was about time.

Indio, where we went for trail rides on the desert. I once got caught in a sand storm and almost got lost. The western trainers used to sit in the warm-up ring next to ours and decide who they wanted to have fun with. Then they would race their horses down to the common fence and slide to a stop just in time. When I had green horses there it was always a challenge. Date shakes, ostrich races all make me still miss showing at the fairs.

Wonderful memories of Del Mar where we stayed in a big tent or in the jockey huts. One memorable experience was standing in front of the show office on a horse wearing only a wire and holding another horse on a wire while my friend went into the office. Out of the ring came a pony in harness and of course, by 17 hand mare was scared of ponies so she took off parallel to the track with the other horse, which was now loose, racing with us. I finally gave up trying to stop her until we were about 3/4 of the way down the road and they she because her usual quiet self. Can you imagine something like that happening now with all the golf carts and crowded areas.

I believe that Chef and I were at some of the same Empty Saddle Club shows although I was training by then. Such a pretty area.

Is anyone old enough to remember the Backyard Jumper classes at the Flintridge shows? We dressed in costume and they put everything they could think of in the ring for us to jump. I think many of the horses, trainers, and riders of today would be in a bit of shock.

We also used to go to Pebble Beach, with all of those memorable trophies and ditches and banks in the hunter courses, and then stay the next week for a big dressage show, and then one more week for the full three-day event. I could only afford it because we all stayed in the camp building or in the big tent but what fabulous memories. And this was when Carmel was still charming and not so crowded.

How lucky we all were to experience those wonderful times. Thanks again.

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Release First:
Thanks everyone for all the good memories. Mentioning Pickwick brought me back to my teenage years when it was common for a bunch of us to ride from Onondarka... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah yes, Onondarka: at some of the horse shows, Don Simington used to tie all of his horses up to a picket line. I thought that was utterly fascinating! What a great stable and center of equitation that was!

My favorite Flintridge show memory? Doing the cross country hunter class and jumping out of the show arena to start on course.

Or the cross country hunt teams. Like, who does that sort of gutsy stuff anymore? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Okay, here's one more for you guys:
Anyone ride or show at Dorothy Miller's old place, near San Dimas:<span class="ev_code_GREEN">Via Verde? </span> For so many years it was they held great monthly schooling shows and the occasional local rated show. Afterwards, my sister and I would go on a trail ride through the creekbed and scare the crap out of all the other show riders. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[korts]

Wow. I went to those ETI shows at the Empty Saddle Club. And that charity show that they had in July, and the Portugese Bend National, too. I rode with Carol Dean and before her, Katie Frank.

[Bumpkin]

Release First you were one of the Foxfield Wire Girls? VERY COOL!!!!!

[Bumpkin]

http://www.equestriangardener.homestead.com/files/OtherCritters/barebackjump.jpg

This is why I say COOL http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[korts]

Yeah, whenever I'd see the Foxfield Drill Team do their thing, I'd always have to go home and try to duplicate their feats on my naughty pony, with limited success!

[RugBug]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by korts:
Yeah, whenever I'd see the Foxfield Drill Team do their thing, I'd always have to go home and try to duplicate their feats on my naughty pony, with limited success! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe...Foxfield camp has a racquet going selling those wires. They get you all hooked by having you jump on the wire in camp (although not over anything as big as that picture) and then you buy the wire, take it home and realize there's a lot more to it than just untacking and slapping that sucker on.

Although I will say my little lease horse was pretty decent with it. We could go sans tack and jump little 2' stuff with no problem. Even used the wire with a saddle to keep myself from ducking/jumping ahead.

[Release First]

Yes, Bumpkin, one of the original "wire girls. That was an amazing time. The original Onondarka drill team had a 40 year reunion last year and about seventy people came. We all had such incredible memories of that time. In fact, all of my clients horses go on a wire and we sometimes have "wire" lessons for a down day after a show. The horses love going on a wire and it is always amazing to see the strong horses get happy and relax.

My first horse was a 17 hand, OTTB. We leaned together and were pretty successful with all the things I asked her to do. She was as good a show horse as an all-around horse. She was my show horse at all the previously mentioned shows, my drill horse, and my trail horse.


It was Harry Simington, Don's dad, who did the picket line at Flintridge. It seemed that it used to rain at every Flintridge show and we had very ingenius designs for rain covers back then. In 19962, we went back to the Mid West to do our drill at three shows back there. We were quite the picture for those people with our tent and our horses tied on the picket string. I think they thought we were from another world. They even asked us if we had television yet. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif The drills went well, we were pretty competitive in the horse shows and I learned how to perfect a inside-ou,t five minute tail. Jo Ann Postel and Nancy Turrill, now of Foxfield, were our instructors.

I forgot to add that those rides down to Pickwick were often done on just a wire. We trusted our horses to do anything and everything on a wire.

[o2binca]

LOL, after seeing the Foxfield Drill Team we used to make all our horses go in wires every Sunday - the day off from lessons. It was a blast...never tried jumping with them though.

The hunt teams class at Flintridge was always great fun too. It was teams of three riders who started off single file in the main arena, jumped into a smaller arena, then jumped out into the cross country field, jumped some fences out there, jumped back into the smaller arena and them back into the main arena where they came together and jumped 3 side by side fences all together. Here is a picture of the final jump. So much fun.

[justjilli]

i won my first blue ribbon at VIA VERDE

[Chef Jade]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Release First:
Is anyone old enough to remember the Backyard Jumper classes at the Flintridge shows? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about the Barn Yard Jumpers at Portugese Bend? I hear one year, they even had to jump a real chicken coop with live chickens in it! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

And I went to camp at Via Verde! I rode a horse there named Dudely Do-Right, and loffed him! This had to be back about'87? I think he was the first well-schooled horse I had ever ridden. I also remember Dorthy preaching to us about her religious beliefs. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

korts - were you at Carols when Diana Bender was there? I wonder what ever happened to her. She lived just a few blocks from me, and we were friends for a brief time.

[Release First]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by o2binca:
....The hunt teams class at Flintridge was always great fun too. It was teams of three riders who started off single file in the main arena, jumped into a smaller arena, then jumped out into the cross country field, jumped some fences out there, jumped back into the smaller arena and them back into the main arena where they came together and jumped 3 side by side fences all together. Here is a picture of the final jump. So much fun. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the final fun was lining all the teams up in the ring afterwards and watching some of the horses as the hunting whips were cracked

[justjilli]

does anyone remember the name of hap hansen's jr.hunter??? i do http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Peggy]

Hey Chef, I jumped those Chickens at Portuguese Bend. Not to mention a wheelbarrow. It was quite a time with the people arriving for the charity dinner and Larry Lean and others yelling their heads off (I could swear they were on the roof of the clubhouse, but that can't be right http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif).

Looks like a lot of us were at the same place at the same time.

[Peggy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justjilli:
does anyone remember the name of hap hansen's jr.hunter??? i do http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Green Dolphin.

My old trainer had to trade horses with him in some medal class at Del Mar. Whereupon, she dismounted from her horse by throwing her right leg over the front of the saddle and sliding off. Who's about the worst judge you could do that in front of?? Victor Hugo-Vidal. She was 4th after the work-off.

[justjilli]

HOLY COW PEGGY ,WHO WAS THAT??

[korts]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chef:

korts - were you at Carols when Diana Bender was there? I wonder what ever happened to her. She lived just a few blocks from me, and we were friends for a brief time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. That little girl "borrowed" my pelham, reins and all! Good grief. Oh well. Bingo was an AMAZING pony. But I have no idea what happened to her.

[Bumpkin]

Green Dolphin. Didn't someone in San Diego purchase him after Hap?

[Party Rose]

Beachpony would know.

[Peggy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justjilli:
HOLY COW PEGGY ,WHO WAS THAT?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Julie Smith

[Merry]

And Julie Smith's horse at the time would've been Periwinkle, right?

[Release First]

I loved that mare but she was tough. One of those experiences that stayed with me forever.

[Chef Jade]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by korts:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chef:

korts - were you at Carols when Diana Bender was there? I wonder what ever happened to her. She lived just a few blocks from me, and we were friends for a brief time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. That little girl "borrowed" my pelham, reins and all! Good grief. Oh well. Bingo was an AMAZING pony. But I have no idea what happened to her. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! Sounds like her...hence the "brief" friendship!

[Peggy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Merry:
And Julie Smith's horse at the time would've been Periwinkle, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chef:
LOL! Sounds like her...hence the "brief" friendship! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Another yup. Fabulous pony tho.

[korts]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peggy:
Another yup. Fabulous pony tho. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, Peggy, I've figured out who you are. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif You wouldn't recognize me, though, I don't think. I leased Donna Paramor's pony Firecracker for a while, and then I rode a naughty stopper pony named Boogie (went by various show names including Playboy and Simple Statement) and for my last three junior years I had a mare named Spanish Lace. I only got to do two or three A shows a year.

I was back at Carol's for a short time in 2000 when I was staying at my parents' while between jobs. PV is so different now.

[justjilli]

OMG- julie smith is one of my idols, i just loved her mother as well. i never understood just why she didnt keep showing? jimmy kohn was a big fan of hers also. julie was on the cover of HORSES way back when running martingales was still ok in the hunter ring.

[radio talk Aefvue Farms RCA]

Korts, I think it was you who asked about Diane Bender. Rode with her for a while. She rode with Chris & Peggy Borba, Tailgate Farm. Did the jumpers. Boy she was fast!! Had a bad fall at one show, injured her back. She did come back, but finally has stopped doing jumpers all together. She & her mom were so supportive of everyone.

Actually jilli you can use running martingales in the hunters anytime. Mike Edrick does periodically when his horses need them.

[korts]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by radio talk:
Korts, I think it was you who asked about Diane Bender. Rode with her for a while. She rode with Chris & Peggy Borba, Tailgate Farm. Did the jumpers. Boy she was fast!! Had a bad fall at one show, injured her back. She did come back, but finally has stopped doing jumpers all together. She & her mom were so supportive of everyone.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool. I left Carol Dean's in 1986 to go to college, and Diana was still a little girl with a doting daddy. I believe she still had Bingo the Amazing Jumper Pony back then. I know she got another jumper while with Carol, but I don't know what happened after that. Do you know if she still rides?

[Lord Helpus]

o2binca,

Who are the three people and horses in the hunt team picture?

You are in the foreground on Ruby, right?
Is Ming in the middle? I can remember that she had a chestnut with a thick neck, but I forget his name.
Would Jane be on the far side with Taco?

[Bumpkin]

Julie Smith's father was our dentist.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
For some reason, I thought Periwinkle was a gelding... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Hour Glass and Periwinkle were my dream hunters when I was younger.
Remember Julie's other horse, the grey, Forgetmenot?

[Bumpkin]

When Mrs Smith passed away, George Morris posted a page in HORSES in her memory.
Jimmy Kohn bought a horse from me that kicked me in the forehead when I was lunging it.
A lovely big chestnut with a blaze.
I have no idea what name he showed the horse under, as I moved to Europe shortly after the horse left.

[jules]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justjilli:
plumcreek--where do i start?? i rode as a child with JOLENE LABOUR, my horses name was SAMPSON showing at empty saddle club as well, crummer feild,sleepy hollow,etc, then i got a job with SHARI and MERLE ROSE "monopoly farms". at 21 i was in a bad car accident. dropped out of sight till i could ride again. then i a job with SHARI and TOMMY LOWE,a few years later
later started my own buisness."TREVI FARMS" i took on LESLIE STEELE as a partner ( she could ride anything ,as i could not) got married to kevin white the blacksmith, got devorced and moved east. thats it in a nut shell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jill, I remeber when you were partners will Leslie Steele. Wasn't your last name White? I think you were at White Oak Stables if I remeber correctly. Didn't Kathy Krug ride with you and Leslie when you were at Jolene's? Then I remember Leslie left and moved back east to marrry Tommy Serio. I didn't know you were married to Kevin, he was my shoer when I lived in CA.

[Plumcreek]

Bumpkin, Is Dublin a horse or a person?

[Bumpkin]

Dublin is a COTH poster from the early days, who passed on, two years ago this month.
http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
We knew one another by name back in the 70's then met up here on the BB.
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I am still missing her very much.

[o2binca]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lord Helpus:
o2binca,

Who are the three people and horses in the hunt team picture?

You are in the foreground on Ruby, right?
Is Ming in the middle? I can remember that she had a chestnut with a thick neck, but I forget his name.
Would Jane be on the far side with Taco? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good Memory Pam. That picture is from 1976. That is me on Ruby in the foreground. Ming is in the middle riding Wait For Me, a mare she got from Bob McDonald and Ed Marcy. I bought her from Ming a year or two later and that's the horse I had success with at the indoors. The third rider is Christina Whitaker. The name of her horse escapes me, but it was another chestnut mare. LOL, our team was called "Lucrecia's little lovely ladies".

Jane rode Taco at home the last year we had him, but she never showed him...instead she met a nice boy whom she married six years later and with whom just celebrated their 21st anniversary.

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by o2binca:
Good Memory Pam. That picture is from 1976. That is me on Ruby in the foreground. Ming is in the middle riding Wait For Me, a mare she got from Bob McDonald and Ed Marcy. I bought her from Ming a year or two later and that's the horse I had success with at the indoors. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMGiH!! Talk about coming the full BB circle! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The original Beezer and I competed against Wait for Me when she was in Bob's barn. Then when we moved to his place, Merry and I both had the pleasure of riding that mare on occasion. I can't remember the name of the girl who owned her but it was about the same time that Kimmie (Bob's daughter) had Stride Rite and there was one other horse (a black/dark dark brown) whose name escapes me that was part of his trio who dominated the "younger" juniors.

Merry is better at remembering people. Me, it was always the horses. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[justjilli]

hey jules,,kathy krug rode at vara ranch up the street. she had the cutes pony around.,she dropped out of sight for many years and then came back with a great business. where do you live now and why did you leave california?

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beezer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by o2binca:
Ming is in the middle riding Wait For Me, a mare she got from Bob McDonald and Ed Marcy. I bought her from Ming a year or two later and that's the horse I had success with at the indoors. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The original Beezer and I competed against Wait for Me when she was in Bob's barn. Then when we moved to his place, Merry and I both had the pleasure of riding that mare on occasion. I can't remember the name of the girl who owned her but it was about the same time that Kimmie (Bob's daughter) had Stride Rite and there was one other horse (a black/dark dark brown) whose name escapes me that was part of his trio who dominated the "younger" juniors.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The only kid I remember in that group was Jeanne Rodriguez, who still cracks me up whenever I cross paths with her at a local show. She rode that pretty bay horse by Eastern Flier. Remember when he was the hot hunter stallion?

[justjilli]

what about the buskins?? maria,tippy and chrissy what are they doing now? they had some really nice stock http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Beezer]

Well now, aren't you just cruising right on through the old "Question for Merry?" territory. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I had to compete relentlessly against the Bushkin clan -- as well as Francie Steinwedell and the Kursinski sisters and assorted other powerhouses http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif -- and well remember the dread of seeing Christimar Farms set up at a show. I don't recall the details of the implosion/explosion but it occurred soon after Russell Stewart stopped being their private trainer.

But, yes, there were many, many nice horses in that string.

[justjilli]

did i miss something?

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justjilli:
did i miss something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I assume that's aimed at my post. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There's a wonderful old thread in the Archives forum called "Question for Merry" that brought all us current and former West Coasters out of the woodwork and covered many, many of the people and horses being discussed here. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But that does not mean we all don't enjoy doing it all over again. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Peggy]

Bumpkin- Julie's dad was your dentist! He's retired and living in Tucson. Julie semi-retired and moved there a few years ago. Periwinkle was definitely a mare. She was sent back east to be a broodmare after she retired and had several foals. One of them was by Diamond Bracelet.

OK, korts, you may have figured me out, but I still don't know who you are.

And what better to do during this weekend of mud than relive the Question for Merry thread?

[o2binca]

Beezer we must have shown against each other; I rode the same age as Anne Kursinski. I was from Northern CA and rode with Butch and Lu, but we ventured down south fairly often, and of course there was the Santa Rosa August show which we never missed.

I remember going to Cristimar one time for a big birthday party for Tippy. It was during the Flower Show I think. I'm sure I was too in awe to speak the entire time. Those girls were amazing riders and had such wonderful horses. Remember Joe Hill? And Bumpkin, didn't Raggedy Ann come from your barn? So many wonderful horses back then.

I remember Kimmie riding and winning over fences at the Turkey Show when she must have been about 8 years old. Those age splits and endless classes with (huge) ribbons to tenth were so much fun. I still love the old Horses magazine with pictures of people getting any ribbon in their age group maiden eq. Those first ribbons are really the most special.

[jogem]

Raggedy Ann came from Joan Kerron in Oregon when she was 2nd year green. Tippy is in Santa Ynez,Maria is in SB with I think 2 kids and Chrissy is in New York with 3 kids I think. Saw Tippy at a Santa Barbara county show a couple of years ago and she looks great. Still rides a little.

[Bumpkin]

Raggedy Anne was from Oregon, but Bumpkin did sometimes compete against her pre Bushkin.

I recall going to the Bushkin's house when they lived in a house on the beach with some tower elevator thing to the beach, was that their house?
JJ Smith took us, that was when he briefly trained for them.
They certainly had the nice young horses, and pages of adverts in HORSES.
Reminds me of the Applegate girls now.

[Coreene]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beezer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by o2binca:
Good Memory Pam. That picture is from 1976. That is me on Ruby in the foreground. Ming is in the middle riding Wait For Me, a mare she got from Bob McDonald and Ed Marcy. I bought her from Ming a year or two later and that's the horse I had success with at the indoors. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMGiH!! Talk about coming the full BB circle! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The original Beezer and I competed against Wait for Me when she was in Bob's barn. Then when we moved to his place, Merry and I both had the pleasure of riding that mare on occasion. I can't remember the name of the girl who owned her but it was about the same time that Kimmie (Bob's daughter) had Stride Rite and there was one other horse (a black/dark dark brown) whose name escapes me that was part of his trio who dominated the "younger" juniors.

Merry is better at remembering people. Me, it was always the horses. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
A full circle indeed! Gawd, I remember posting about Stride Rite on the original Question For Merry thread - I rode him a few times when they were still at Hillsview Saddle Club. Really, really nice horse, even for a novice over fences.

So sad when Ed passed away.

[korts]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peggy:
Bumpkin- Julie's dad was your dentist! He's retired and living in Tucson. Julie semi-retired and moved there a few years ago. Periwinkle was definitely a mare. She was sent back east to be a broodmare after she retired and had several foals. One of them was by Diamond Bracelet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We had two Diamond Bracelet babies at our barn. Snow Sprite was one; he was Mandy Porter's for awhile, and then my friend Elysia bought him. Also, Patty Jendro had a DB mare. I can't think of Patty's maiden name right now.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">OK, korts, you may have figured me out, but I still don't know who you are. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, Peggy, don't worry. I was one of those backyard kids who dreamed of riding at Seahorse or Portuguese Bend or with Julie, but instead had my pony at Rolling Hills Stables (the dump) until I moved to Carol Dean's. I remember being 11 years old or so and watching all of you guys riding at the Empty Saddle Club and thinking you were the most beautiful riders with the most beautiful horses, and believing that it was so out of reach for me. I still remember so many names from then.

Luckily, I landed myself a nice versatile mare from Betty Beran's when I was a junior riding with Carol, and we did okay. But I sure do remember those days of peering through the fence at the Seahorse girls and wishing that I wasn't at Rolling Hills.

Oh, does anyone remember a chestnut mare named Vinessa? She was at Seahorse for a bit, and was Virgil baby - a half sister to Laurie Chandler's Black Ice. Just curious.

[Coreene]

The Black Ice that Nicki Shahinian won her medal final on?

[Peggy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by korts:
I was one of those backyard kids who dreamed of riding at Seahorse or Portuguese Bend or with Julie, but instead had my pony at Rolling Hills Stables (the dump) until I moved to Carol Dean's. I remember being 11 years old or so and watching all of you guys riding at the Empty Saddle Club and thinking you were the most beautiful riders with the most beautiful horses, and believing that it was so out of reach for me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Depending on the era, I would have been the one on the $1500 horse purchased via an LA Times classified ad http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

The name Vinessa sure sounds familiar. Who rode her? IIRC someone won a medal final on the Chandler's Black Ice, one eye and all.

[o2binca]

I don't think I ever met Carol Dean, but she always stood out to me because her kids, though not always in the highest divisions (she had lots of little kids IIRC), had really solid basics. People that rode with her seemed to get a really good start.

Speaking of which, didn't the Running girls ride with Carol before they rode with Judy Martin? And does anyone remember Lisa Running scoring a 99 or 100 in the Barbara Worth Medal Finals on that little bay hunter she had? It was breathtaking - out on a huge open space at Rancho Murietta.

Bumpkin - for some reason I thought you had ridden with Joan Kerron.

[justjilli]

o2binka who was the judge that gave her that score??

[o2binca]

JJ - LOL, I probably remember those years more clearly than I do some things from last year, but unfortunately I have no recollection of the judge. It was a three round event and I think Lisa scored that high (or close to it) in more than one round.

[justjilli]

ok what happened to CINDY FANCY? she rode with flintridge,i believe she was the same age as francie.

[justjilli]

or here is another name, does anyone know where laura leynwood is? last i heard she lived in arizona.. her horses name was pharos immage .she rode with larry langer and far west. she then bought a horse called chalon, he was the most beautiful grey with a lighting fast front end.

[o2binca]

JJ - your question made me pull out my December 1977 issue of Horses Magazine, and while it didn't have a write up of the BW Medal Finals that year it did have these great quips. God, how I love that magazine; Judy Spreckles was brillient.

Quoted from Horses Magazine (December 1977):
"Horse people are talking about the a/o rider who is not giving up her plans to snag a certain trainer, despite the fact that he is happily married to a lovely wife who has no intention of giving him up. The a/o rider who trains with someone else, manages to spend all the time she can with her former long time love, in hopes of getting him back. The chances look dim."

"To say that the Santa Barbara Fall Show was big, was like saying King Kong was a monkey. "Big" didn't start it. It was the BIGGEST ever and yet it ran beautifully considering the number of entires (14,217)...Picture for example a class over fences with 199 riders."

"The Santa Barbara parties were tremendous. There were over 700 seated for the turkey feast which was english week."

"Cindy Hough, looking cuter than ever, is now training with Gary Ryman at the Menlo Circus Club, and they are a very successful combination."

"Mandy Porter has a new palomino hunter named Good As Gold, which she purchased from Dorothy Miller. Mandy won a hunter class her first time out with her new mare. Mandy trains with Carol Dean."

"Horse people are talking about the horse show dad who got drunker than drunk at the western party at Santa Barbara, and was later photographed at his chosen resting place, the hood of a parked car near the party. Talk about your fancy hood ornament!"

There's also an adorable picute of Candice Schlom (now GP rider King) winning the maiden hunt seat championship for riders 7 and under.

That year Francie won the Maclay Finals, Anne Kursinski won the International Hunt Seat Finals and Lisa Running (as a 14 y.o.) won the Barbara Worth finals. It was a tough place to compete.

[justjilli]

o2binka that was so cool,i use to run to the mailbox every month just to see if i got caught and ended up in IN ONE EAR!!!lol do you know who the 2 people were in the first paragraph?? i do http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[o2binca]

No, I have no idea who they were. I was a pretty nieve kid, and probably missed most of the implication when I read it back then. I just pulled that out as a classic example of the great old Horses magazine.

I used to run to the mailbox every month back then too; it was always a good day when "Horses" arrived.

[korts]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by o2binca:
I don't think I ever met Carol Dean, but she always stood out to me because her kids, though not always in the highest divisions (she had lots of little kids IIRC), had really solid basics. People that rode with her seemed to get a really good start. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is true. We only went to a few AHSA A shows a year. We did lots of LA County and schooling stuff - The Paddock, Camelot, etc. But any tendencies that I might have toward anything remotely resembling true horsemanship come from the foundation I got riding with Carol. I remember when I first got to her barn, she took a look at my pony's bridle and said, "Why are you riding this pony in a double-twisted-wire snaffle?" I said, "I don't know. He came with it." She marched into her tackroom and came out with a smooth snaffle and insisted that I stop torturing Boogie. I also remember her "firing" a girl who refused to stop yanking her horse's head off. Carol's very much still around. She does a lot of judging, and her husband Dan runs Porter Horse Transportation.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Speaking of which, didn't the Running girls ride with Carol before they rode with Judy Martin? And does anyone remember Lisa Running scoring a 99 or 100 in the Barbara Worth Medal Finals on that little bay hunter she had? It was breathtaking - out on a huge open space at Rancho Murietta.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, Lisa started with Carol. A number of people did.

[Bumpkin]

Carol use to be the Moderator for the weekly AOL Hunter Chat Board.
Is that still happening?

[Merry]

Laura Leynwood and Pharoah's Image? Oh my God, now there are some names from the past! She was very tall and thin and her horse was a dark bay with a wide blaze. Don't know where she is now.

Remember Leslie Burke who rode Big Spender back then? Ran into her at a year-end county show, sort of out of the blue. She was on a pretty gray baby greener and I recognized her right off. We were warming up for the adult eq flat class and she was rather surprised that I recognized her. I sort of felt like a stalker for a minute or two. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

And how about Jeanne Stevens (now Benowitz), who back then had Troubador? In the early days she rode at the old Winrock Farm. Still see her occasionally. My sister (Beezer) bought one of Jeanne's Trakehner mares she'd used for combined driving.

[JSH]

Wow. I rarely lurk here and never post, but this thread caught my attention.

Merry - I rode with Jeanne when I was a kid (I'm a little younger) before she got her ammy status back. She was also my 5th and 6th grade teacher. Haven't talked to her in a couple of years, but still run into her occassionally when I'm home -- I'm an Easter Coaster now. Which mare did your sister buy? We used to have a blast taking her ponies out driving. She also used to regale us with stories from her junior days ...

What a surprise to see her name mentioned here!

[justjilli]

hey merry do we know each other? who did you ride with ? where did you grow up?

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSH:
Merry - I rode with Jeanne when I was a kid (I'm a little younger) before she got her ammy status back. She was also my 5th and 6th grade teacher... Which mare did your sister buy? We used to have a blast taking her ponies out driving. She also used to regale us with stories from her junior days ...
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Beezer bought Hoyden from Jeanne, the full sister to her great black hunter, Hourglass. Hoyden was like a giant palomino Trakehner with big ears. She was just the cutest horse with the oddest disposition, and she packed my sister around for years and even did low A/A jumpers on her. My sister had that big ol' mare until she died of complications of Cushings a couple of years ago.

Oh lordy, who did I ride with? Someone you probably never heard of: when we were kids/teens my sister and I rode with Katrina Lantz at the old Orange County Fairgrounds. Then we moved into Bob McDonald's barn. Debbie McDonald and I already knew each other before then, because before she even met Bob, she and I showed our ponies at the local shows... in our naughahyde chaps. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

But because I was so "into" riding and showing for so long, I've touched bases with a long list of BNTs on the west coast, some of whom shall remain nameless. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oops. This is becoming a replay of the "Question for Merry" thread. I must stop before someone blames me and shoots me.

[justjilli]

didnt christy fletcher have and ride hour glass?

[JSH]

Aww, I had a feeling it was Hoyden. I knew that mare well. I was just a peanut and Jeanne used to throw me up on her ... she was giant! I even showed her a couple of times. Did Beezer ever get to the point where she could put the bridle on her without taking it apart? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Poor Hoyden was so funny about her ears. I remember one time we had to Ace her to clip her ears and she just sat right down on the tack trunk. Funny, funny horse. I'm happy to hear she was loved.

[Merry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by justjilli:
didnt christy fletcher have and ride hour glass? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, but that was a different Hour Glass that was started by the Houghs: a pretty bay mare. Jeanne's Hour Glass was years later and was a pure-bred black Trakehner mare.

JSH: My sister would love to hear that about Hoyden! Nope, we never, ever got to where we could bridle her without taking the damn bridle apart. With us, she also had the Annual Clipping of the Ears, complete with heavy-duty medication. And yes, she was well loved, from show horse to trail horse to lawn ornament. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[Beezer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSH:
Aww, I had a feeling it was Hoyden. I knew that mare well. I was just a peanut and Jeanne used to throw me up on her ... she was giant! I even showed her a couple of times. Did Beezer ever get to the point where she could put the bridle on her without taking it apart? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Poor Hoyden was so funny about her ears. I remember one time we had to Ace her to clip her ears and she just sat right down on the tack trunk. Funny, funny horse. I'm happy to hear she was loved. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, oh, OH!! You knew my stuffed horse Mizzy Hoy? I just loved that mare! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif She was the coolest horse on the block. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

As Merry said, I bought her from Jeanne and proceeded to have great gobs of fun with her. She could be a strong, tough ride at times, but as long as I didn't lie to her, she'd jump anything from anywhere. I did hunters, jumpers and my medals on her; no one could get over how in jumpers, that big ol mare could just swing around like a big boat and leave the ground. To top it off, she even did crossrails and short stirrup with my cousin when she was learning to ride. Truly one of a kind.

She had just one foal http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif and was lucky to have him -- she nearly died from an infection about eight weeks before her due date. But she was a wonderful mom. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif She spent her last few years bossing around everyone at El Ranchito; we got to the point where we'd just leave her stall door open and she could come and go as she pleased, because if she was in she wanted out and if she was out she wanted in. She took great pleasure in walking all over Merry's and my mother or anyone else who was afraid to say no to whatever it was that Hoyden wanted. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I miss her very much. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[khobstetter]

I am so sad I have missed most of this thread while at Indio...BUT it made for good reading just now.

Don Simington...I was at Rancho Polo Club (Indio) last week to look at horses and I ran into Don. He has moved his family and his business to the desert, and is happy as a clam!!

He looks GREAT and relaxed and said it was the best thing he had ever done.

If you know of anyone in the desert looking to find a trainer..refer Don, he would appreciate it!!!

This thread is a kick, it sure brings back great memories.

Someone asked about the name of a horse Jimmy Kohn had....could it be "More to Come"?? A big chestnut with lots of white that won so much here on the coast.

[khobstetter]

Jeanee Roderiquez is very much around and I see her quite often. She had taken a bit of a "break" from the shows BUT is back. Her husband died recently and she needed some space.

She is really a special person!!!

[justjilli]

HEY SPEAKING OF DON SIMINGTON,,i won the finals http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Saddlebag]

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Kathy...The name of Jimmy Kohn's chestnut horse was "Munnings". Wierd...I can remember that, but I can't remember what I did last week! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

[khobstetter]

Thanks Saddlebag....

Do you remember "More to Come"?? It would have been the very early 70's...just before he got "Space Walk"...

Space Walk was Champion 1st Year Green Hunter, Champion Regular Working Hunter AND Champion Open Jumper at the Forum in his first year of showing with Jimmy..... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Merry]

Just Jilli, you won the Onondarka finals? Awesome! Was this pre or post the Erika Petal era?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saddlebag:
The name of Jimmy Kohn's chestnut horse was "Munnings". Wierd...I can remember that, but I can't remember what I did last week! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't feel bad. I was going to post the name of Munnings, too, because that horse looked remarkably like O' Shea, the horse John Saddler used to show when he rode at Flintridge... before he started training racehorses. And yet I can't remember where I left my favorite hair barrette. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I don't remember More to Come, but I do remember Try More, the honkin' big bay jumper that Kenny Nordstrom rode. Now come on, who amongst us didn't have a crush at one time on Kenny? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

[justjilli]

jolene labour had spacewalk befor jimmy - he was a tb off the track and his paper name was 88 keys lol

[Bumpkin]

I believe Munnings was pre the horse Jimmy Kohn got from me.
This horse would have been post 1975.

[findeight]

Talk about blasts from the past...


Our barn show last month was judged by a guy who recently retired from the track and is breeding Paints while his wife does the agility dog circuit with a Dobie.

As announcer and gate person I had ample time to talk to him. Turned out he worked for Charlie Whittingham back when and we know alot of the same people.

Then I asked him about his name, Dick Lundy. I said "Are you related to Di Ann Lundy"
Yep. Ex Wife.

Small world when you are in Lebanon Ohio and hire a judge from 5 miles up the little river road in Oregonia and find his ex rode one of your hero horses, Fleet Apple and you know all the same people from 35 years ago 2000 miles away.

BTW Dick had the good stakes winner Blushing John, won a Breeders Cup and placed in many others. he recommended that Lubrisyn product that I posted about on Horse Care...and his current wife looks just like DiAnne http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Go figure.

It's a small world after all.

[jogem]

Dick Lundy is breeding PAINTS?? You've got to be kidding. Besides working for Charlie Whittingham he also used to train Alan Paulson's horses (Cigar and Azeri owner, now deceased)

[Peggy]

Weren't Dick and Dianne at Valley Farms at one point (early 70's?)? This was a place down an "interesting" road that you accessed via the Bel Air neighborhood where the Reagan's once lived.

[carla pool]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skinner:
speaking of Old West Coasters, does anyone know where Madeline Sarafian or Madeline Schaefer is? She rode at Flintridge back then and I hear she is riding pro/training up in No Cal. somewhere??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Peggy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carla pool:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skinner:
speaking of Old West Coasters, does anyone know where Madeline Sarafian or Madeline Schaefer is? She rode at Flintridge back then and I hear she is riding pro/training up in No Cal. somewhere??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Try here (http://chronicleforums.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/7076024331/m/853207335/r/309205835#309205835).

[Nelliebelle]

I just read through this whole thread in one sitting and it brought back tons of memories...I grew up showing the LAHSA and SFVHSA circuits with the Los Angeles Children's Riding Center (anyone remember them ?) My favorite show was Flintridge Children's, the only show my mother would pay for - I loved the hunt teams and I have great video of me getting dumped in the cross country hunters - a good start to my eventing career. I moved to Merle and Julie Rose and Shauna Penn my last junior year, rode with them until they closed down...I boarded my horse at Portugese Bend the last year I lived in CA (91)...now I'm freezing to death in MA. Jill, I know you but you probably don't know me...Erika Barron was one of my best friends in high school.

I still miss Horses magazine. The goal was always to win something good enough to warrant a page...

[Peggy]

Nelliebelle -
A friend bought a horse from what I think was the L.A. Children's Riding Center. Spud, chestnut w/ a lot of white, 15.2-ish; the girl that bought him won the LA County Horsemanship Finals on him and did the 3'3" medals.

Did Shauna have Blue (big grey TB) while you were there? Another friend bought him, tho not directly from her, IIRC.

You were at PB when you could still use the x-c course. Sadly, it's all fenced off now.

[justjilli]

nelliebelle i worked for merle,,do you know how he is doing ? and are you sure i dont know you?

[findeight]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jogem:
Dick Lundy is breeding PAINTS?? You've got to be kidding. Besides working for Charlie Whittingham he also used to train Alan Paulson's horses (Cigar and Azeri owner, now deceased) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep. Tobiano using types not the short, fat ones. Sky Bug Bingo line...which is the stud I recommended to the folks that bought that stupid sow of a mare off me I had to dump cheap. they got a couple of nice jackpot barrel racers out of her.

Like I said, small world. Don't burn any bridges because you just never know whose going to be doing what years down the road.

[jogem]

Findeight, isn't that the truth! Speaking of old west coasters, anybody remember Lindy Patrick? Wonder where she is now?