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Barbara L.
May. 10, 2005, 10:32 AM
Anyone competing/working/spectating at Jersey Fresh 3-Day this week? I'll be working in the vet box on Saturday. Just rode around the edge of the steeplechase course this a.m. (I board across the street from the Horse Park)and got really enthused.

Barbara L.
May. 10, 2005, 10:32 AM
Anyone competing/working/spectating at Jersey Fresh 3-Day this week? I'll be working in the vet box on Saturday. Just rode around the edge of the steeplechase course this a.m. (I board across the street from the Horse Park)and got really enthused.

JAGold
May. 10, 2005, 11:11 AM
I'm sure we will cross paths; I'm grooming on Saturday http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --Jess

2869
May. 10, 2005, 11:41 AM
ive been trying to find a place where the entry list is posted but cant find it on the website. any ideas?

baileygreyhorse
May. 10, 2005, 11:45 AM
MrBGH and I will be there watching on Sat.

Here (http://www.horseparkofnewjersey.com/jersey_fresh/Draw%20Order.htm) is the competitor list.

AngelEventer
May. 10, 2005, 11:54 AM
Why do they have Bonnie Mosser as riding for Ireland, and for the US? Is it a typo or something?

goodymar1188
May. 10, 2005, 12:59 PM
Well I won't be there... I will be rooting for people though!

There's Dorothy Crowell (El Guapo), Elissa Estes (Loughnatousa Max) and then Melissa Silverman (Center Stage).

There's a good turnout for both the 2* and 3* it seems! Good luck to everyone competiting and grooming.

polo3day
May. 10, 2005, 01:05 PM
More importantly why is Bonnie riding Draco? did she buy him? What a lovely fantastic horse....!

edc
May. 10, 2005, 01:51 PM
I passed the Plain Dealing Farm truck and trailer going north on I-95 in Delaware around 1:00 pm today, so I would guess that Kim will be there.

CluesGirl
May. 10, 2005, 01:55 PM
edc - If there was ever something worth hijacking, that truck would've been it!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

IQ3day
May. 10, 2005, 04:07 PM
wait...and why is Bonnie entered on Kim's horse Maguire and Cricket's horse Brodestone Whitehall (Spell??) the must have misprinted somethings. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

eventing101
May. 10, 2005, 04:09 PM
Ok...It says Bonnie Mosser is riding Maguire? Is that a typo or a kawinkidink http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif?

puffin2
May. 10, 2005, 08:48 PM
Cricket is in Vegas dancing !!!

Alibhai's Alibar
May. 11, 2005, 07:23 AM
I'm trying to get there Fri, Sat, and Sun but Friday is going to require me to do some serious sweet-talking to my boss.

Barbara L.
May. 11, 2005, 10:26 AM
I just walked the cross country course this a.m. with my Jack Russell puppy (she pooped out 1/3 of the way thru and I had to carry that little cutie!). They have done such a great job expanding the course--it is wonderful...New water complex was being filled as I went by, and it is amazing.
Steeplechase goes around the outside of 3 big hay fields, and they have been working on the turf for it since last year--it looks like fun.
I am looking forward to this weekend!

3dazey
May. 11, 2005, 11:57 AM
Did anyone else notice a couple pairs who did Foxhall are also doing Jersey? Will be interesting to see how it goes...

EW
May. 11, 2005, 12:28 PM
Did anyone notice on the DRAW that Bruce Mandeville is listed as being from GBR? Is this a typo or did he change nations?

deltawave
May. 11, 2005, 12:47 PM
There are quite a few typos...B. Mandeville is definitely still a Canadian, eh? http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif I am rooting for him and his little black mare! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

eventer4ever
May. 11, 2005, 02:51 PM
There is a free audio broadcast on Saturday from 8am to 4pm. I heard about it in my BoB email.

Here's the info...
Bit of Britain is proud to announce that eventing fans nationwide can tune in LIVE this Saturday to audio coverage of the cross-country from the Jersey Fresh CCI*** and CCI**. This special live feed will be available exclusively through Equestrian Entertainment Partners’ Virtual Behind-the-Scenes Pass web portal.


The live feed will be available:

8:00 AM to 4:00 PM Eastern Time on Saturday, May 9.

This coverage is being provided to Bit of Britain customers and eventing fans by Equestrian Entertainment Partners, absolutely FREE of charge. Simply go to www.equestrianpartners.com, (http://www.equestrianpartners.com,) click on the Virtual Behind-the-Scenes banner, then scroll down to the Jersey Fresh audio link (this link won’t be live until Saturday).

In the meantime, check out the ultimate online experience. With EEP’s Virtual Behind-the-Scenes Pass, enthusiasts get unprecedented access to the sport and a chance to go up close and personal with the brightest stars at the biggest events — all from a home computer. By registering for the full Virtual Behind-the-Scenes Pass, viewers get unlimited access to all the premium content that the web channel offers throughout the year. This exciting online web channel features event highlights, exclusive interviews and online chats, tips from the pros, virtual course walks, and much more.

Check out the Virtual Behind-the-Scenes Pass today at www.equestrianpartners.com (http://www.equestrianpartners.com). And don’t forget to tune in live this Saturday for complete audio coverage of the Jersey Fresh cross-country.

IQ3day
May. 11, 2005, 04:42 PM
Im rooting for Bruce M. and the little black mare, Jess as well! Ashley and I were on the NAYRC team together when Ash won on that mare! She is super cool! Fast and clean http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

deltawave
May. 11, 2005, 04:51 PM
Yay! A Jess fan club! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif She is a sweetie and SO LITTLE. But what a big gallop and jump in that little body! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Row Wisco, Row!
May. 11, 2005, 04:59 PM
She is a fiery little girl http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I groomed her at Young Riders a couple of years ago. Neat horse. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

goodymar1188
May. 11, 2005, 05:24 PM
Does anyone know if all the horses passed the jog? The website isn't very helpful!

EW
May. 12, 2005, 09:45 AM
Bruce helped me at a few events and was super nice and helpful. I will always root for him. He is also an awesome instructor.

KateDB
May. 12, 2005, 09:48 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on the results? Website says results updated continually, but I'm not seeing anything! I have riders to route for in both CCI** and CCI***....
go, Sallys (both of you), go

Sammy's Mom
May. 12, 2005, 09:58 AM
Kate--I was wondering the same thing... Anyone know anything???

goodymar1188
May. 12, 2005, 10:34 AM
Here are the results they have posted so far:

http://www.horseparkofnewjersey.com/results.html

imissvixen
May. 12, 2005, 01:41 PM
Hurray! Caroline is in 7th place so far!

AngelEventer
May. 12, 2005, 01:52 PM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that it is a bit soon for Maguire to be doing a ***? he just did a **** 2 weeks ago! Sure, he didn't finish, but you DO have to send your entries in ahead of time! Kind of wierd... hopefully he'll be a bit more successful at the *** though, he's a neat looking horse...

Robby Johnson
May. 12, 2005, 02:13 PM
He only did dressage and jumped a few steeplechase fences.

All upper level riders enter/cross-enter the big events as so much can and does happen. It's a very common practice.

Robby

Hannahsmom
May. 12, 2005, 07:43 PM
Wow, Nad's in first so far and Wendy's in third. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

goodymar1188
May. 12, 2005, 07:48 PM
Well one of the people I'm rooting for goes tomorrow... I have my fingers crossed!

The other two are 6th and 7th in the **... but I'm thinking with those going tomorrow (who have nice horses) they'll surely move down.

sfir
May. 13, 2005, 06:02 AM
Maguire also started Foxhall CCI*** and jumped part way around before retiring.
The only reason I bring this up is Kent Allen wrote an article a few years back about conditioning event horses. Although it is/was common practice to go to another CCI in the same season if you do not complete one earlier Dr Allen was very much against it. This was in the days of the long format and he stated that the events themselves were not what took the long term toll on the horses but the level of fitness that must be maintained to keep a horse 3 day fit for such a long time. Considering he was and still is treating some of the top 3 day horses in the country I have to wonder how these riders that are so openly against steeplechase feel about keeping their horses at PEAK 3 star/4 star fitness level for 5 weeks.
Kim is not the only one to run both events but the only one to start 3 CCI***'s/CCI****'s with the same horse in one season so it is a prime example of the new 'short format' era. Is this type of scheduling going to lengthen horses careers and allow horses to be successful at more events? Only time will tell but it certainly seems to be contradictory to the 'welfare of the horse' argument that is being tossed out by our top level riders.
Just something to think about. I personally think this is going to be one of the downsides of the new short format but each rider knows their own horse and what is best for them I guess.
I hope all horses and riders have a great weekend at Jersey.
Ruthie

baileygreyhorse
May. 13, 2005, 06:43 AM
Honest question for all of you...

Has anyone EVER seen a WORSE website promoting a big event? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Hello? Order of go anyone? Multiple mistakes on the draw. Oh, it's easy to find a sponsor packet. But if you just want to know someone's ride times... Sorry! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Sorry, I just had to vent that. Carry on with the regular discussion.

polo3day
May. 13, 2005, 07:05 AM
Ruthie, I agree 100%! Well said.

hamish macbeth
May. 13, 2005, 07:22 AM
Okay I throwing this out there, it is a big please to all chothers. My friend and some of you know her, Amanda Glueck, is competing this weekend. I was to go on Saturday and help, but I can not get the time off from the new job. So she is out there with very little help on Saturday. I was also suppose to work for Dorothy, but I know she has her stuff taken care of. Can anyone who is up there lend Amanda a hand in the boxes and at the finish? This is a big please and I am sure she will appreciate it. She will be in the two star division. thanks.

imissvixen
May. 13, 2005, 07:25 AM
I thought COTH was going to cover it.

LisaB
May. 13, 2005, 07:35 AM
Hamish,
Do you want me to post over to the Adult Riders group? I think some folks are going. They are always such a helpful bunch. I can have them email you if you like.
Oh yeah, I'm glad to hear some ULR's and owners say and agree with sfir. Besides the facts stated, it just don't sound quite right. Not a lot of common sense attempting to run multiple three days in a season.

hamish macbeth
May. 13, 2005, 08:14 AM
LisaB that would be wounderful. From what I have heard, there is a thought that you can do multiple short formats in a season because the endurance is "supposidly not as hard on the horses"? Only a rumor of thought?

LisaB
May. 13, 2005, 08:40 AM
I think the consensus is still pretty much out on the harder/softer on horses. But still, having done some r&t and some steeplechase multiple times and then some more in some cases can't be that good. Also, the short format is quite a bit more difficult and longer than a reg. ht so is there more wear and tear. Same, less, more than a long format? According to the only study done so far, the recovery times and injuries is about the same. Done in the UK somewhere. Drawing a blank at the moment. Therefore, just as hard on a horse. But I think the jury is still out until more studies can be done.
Anyway, on a lighter note, I will shoot the AR2 AA's an email and have them contact you. Hopefully, someone will bite!

Sammy's Mom
May. 13, 2005, 09:10 AM
Hey Hamish--If you hear from Amanda tell her good luck from me. Since the website doesn't seem all that great call me when you get results!!

hamish macbeth
May. 13, 2005, 10:00 AM
No problem Sammy mom. I will be talking her through sat via phone if she has any questions. I have already spoken to her once. I will call her tonight and see how the box set up went.

persefne
May. 13, 2005, 11:28 AM
Jersey Fresh report link was just added to the COTH homepage, but it doesn't look like it'll be updated any more frequently than the horse park site (every evening). Eventingetc.com is also providing coverage, and photos.

deltawave
May. 13, 2005, 01:13 PM
Bruce and Jess standing in 3rd in the CCI*** after dressage. Woohoo! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

persefne
May. 13, 2005, 01:21 PM
Interesting that Adrienne Iorio-Borden is running Better I do It so soon after Rolex, as well (in regards to the earlier Kim and Maguire discussion). She even made it half-way around the XC course before she retired. Perhaps she knew that they weren't in the running, so better to go ahead at Jersey Fresh than to finish at Rolex??? They must have had a much better dressage ride today than in Kentucky. Sorry to see that Sara Davis and Dexter Wong are a bit down the order.

annikak
May. 13, 2005, 03:42 PM
Jen and John Holling should have a good night! Same score for both of them! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif This is GOOD for a marriage, I assure you!!!!

*FoxFire*
May. 13, 2005, 07:21 PM
Beth is in the top 5!
I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome! Hopefully someone will have some photos or movies!

Alibhai's Alibar
May. 13, 2005, 08:29 PM
http://www.finalturnsites.com/gallery/AlibhaisAlibar

I am slowly but surely putting my CCI*** photos online (link above). Thursday is up so far. Please feel free to add comments with any spelling corrections.

I'll post again when everything is online.

Alibhai's Alibar
May. 13, 2005, 09:59 PM
OK- I got photos from Thursday and some of Friday online. I'll add the rest over the weekend.

piaffeprincess98
May. 14, 2005, 04:42 AM
Alibhai's Alibar, I hope those are from 2004 because most of those riders just completed Rolex! Maybe you should put the dates on them. But great shots otherwise.

3dazey
May. 14, 2005, 05:48 AM
Ooooh, love the dressage photos, thanks SO much. You got all the horses/people that I was particularly interested in (just coincidence I'm sure!)

And the photos from last year's mandatory outing are fantastic...thanks for sharing!!!

Alibhai's Alibar
May. 14, 2005, 05:50 AM
I had them in chronological order and now they are in reverse chronological order. 2005 Jersey Fresh is indeed in the album.

blyst99
May. 14, 2005, 06:15 AM
Anyone listening to the live feed? The link for it was posted on the first page of this thread.

It is great! If you can't be there might as well listen!

RunForIt
May. 14, 2005, 06:26 AM
Ailibhai's Alibar - thanks for going to the trouble of sharing your pictures; got to see a nice one of Mary Bess Horton; am off to call her Mom to look too! Please post XC! Again, THANKS!!!!!

mcp
May. 14, 2005, 06:43 AM
Listening to live feed?... You bet!!

persefne
May. 14, 2005, 07:28 AM
Alibhai's Alibar -- Here's another big THANK YOU for the pictures! Neat to see this year's recent pics and last year's as well. Thanks for sharing!!!

deltawave
May. 14, 2005, 07:43 AM
Question for the fashion gurus...Bruce wore his Canadian team jacket in dressage yesterday. Is that the done thing? I think the red looks great on a black horse, but everyone else I saw had the "tops and tails" look going. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

persefne
May. 14, 2005, 07:57 AM
I wondered about that, too. It looked very "old school" (ie, Bruce and Tad in the uset coats during dressage back in the 1970's...I know this only from pictures and old videos, not personally, since I was just a tiny baby in the 70's!), but I can't say if it's accepted or frowned upon now. Honestly, I like the top hat/tails in dressage and the team coats only in sj. Of course, the US riders have the uset crest on their dressage tails, so perhaps the Canadians just wear their team reds when competing internationally? It could also just be Bruce Mandeville's personal choice at the 3 star level, rather than being forced to don the traditional FEI attire.

retreadeventer
May. 14, 2005, 11:59 AM
I am listening now to the broadcast - cool - and looking at the pictures on the right click side of the webpage. Picture number 29 appears to be of a harness racing helmet on the one fence. Questions: what fence is that, whose helmet, and what is the significance of it? And I love the broadcast but agree with BGH that the website sucks, not one picture of a horse anywhere and no order, no numbers, don't know whose coming on XC while you are listening. But I love the broadcast.
Bruce Mandeville just retired. Stops and pulled up. Susie Beale on Majestic Bear clear. Awaiting Kim Severson, leader, and nine more horses.

retreadeventer
May. 14, 2005, 12:07 PM
Buck D. fell , tipped up at fence 3, retired on Hidalgo 0K horse and rider
Will faudree clear on Wild Frontier
Kim Severson, royal venture, stop at water fence 5, stop at 6 and retired, was in lst.

persefne
May. 14, 2005, 12:17 PM
Lots of falls, several of both horse and rider. Glad that there was nothing serious. Not to joke, but I couldn't help laughing when -- 30 minutes after his fall -- the announcer comes on and says that Mike Kraus's horse was finally caught back on the CCI** steeplechase course. He must have still had a lot of run in him! Happy to see Sara Davis go clear, but I was about to strangle the announcer for leaving us hanging on Will's ride with one fence to go. Never heard that he finished, but he had a clear trip to that point, so I'm assuming he did. Surprising about both Kim retiring at 6 and Buck coming off at 3.

annikak
May. 14, 2005, 12:33 PM
wow- there WERE a lot of falls- and from people that I was quite surprised at. The live feed...this is a wonderful thing!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Jonathon Holling is having a great ride...as did a few of the later riders.... Wish they would post the results....

JDufort
May. 14, 2005, 12:51 PM
what a fun way to spend a Saturday afternoon at the office! Hope this audiocast can be done for more big events.

RunForIt
May. 14, 2005, 01:36 PM
Jeanne and/or annika,
how do you get to the audio feed (my computer just gives me the "can't display this window" window, probably because its over)? Ditto the wish they would post results - want to know about everyone, but especially Mary Bess Horton - can't get her parents and haven't heard from Bessie. Did you hear anything, Jeanne? Thanks! Lynda

hamish macbeth
May. 14, 2005, 01:41 PM
I talked to a friend who ran the two star. She had to retire for controll issues but saud the footing was playing tricks. That steeple shase and roads and tracts was hard and then you needed more stud for XC because of the way it was roped and road.
What have others heard. The web site has not updated yet today??

deltawave
May. 14, 2005, 01:42 PM
Wow, lots and LOTS of horse and rider falls, stops, etc. in the CCI***, not so much in the CCI**. The 2-star had R&T, the 3-star did not.

Things that make you go HMMMMM...

annikak
May. 14, 2005, 02:23 PM
Lynda, sorry you missed it...I forgot (how COULD I?) until half way thru the ***. I know that there were falls, but sounded like no one in the *** was hurt, at least after I started listening. I have NO idea about the **....wish I did.... I know people in both divisions, but since the ** seems more "do-able" in my lifetime, I am always more interested in that.

Lynn, I wonder really if it has to do with the fact that the *** course was new, and as some said "HARD!" Maybe it was TOO hard? Seems as if Kim and Buck pulled, and I think both by the 7th fence, then perhaps it was a bit too hard? That they knew there was a lot more "hard" to come? Perhaps the lack of steeplechase had to do with it (I think that is where you were going?) but I think perhaps that it was just a bit too tough. Dunno, just a thought....


Anyone know what happened in the **? AND WHERE ARE THOse results??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifI think that may tell the tale.... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

persefne
May. 14, 2005, 02:37 PM
Anyone know why the ground jury and TD pulled The Bridge from the Lexus water complex? When I tuned into the live feed, Bonnie had just started on Draco and then shortly thereafter she and Ashley were held on course while they decided to remove that portion of the water. Had there been problems with footing/distances/early falls? From what I understand, it wasn't on the 2 star course and I didn't think many people had gone before Bonnie and Ashley in the 3 star. Just curious...

Personally, I thought the cannons at fence 3 appeared to be hard so early in the course. They looked on a downhill and to tell you the truth, my horse wouldn't go within a mile of them, much less jump them in 1 to 2 strides!

JAGold
May. 14, 2005, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persefne:
Anyone know why the ground jury and TD pulled The Bridge from the Lexus water complex? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't see any of the two star, but I did see all the three star horses. Here's what I remember, though I may make some mistakes...

The first three horses/riders through on the three star all had VERY rough trips there -- the horses nearly fell on the landing from the drop into water off the bridge. It was determined that the drop was so steep that the horses were stumbling on landing, and the jump was removed. Riders were instructed to take the alternate route, and told that they were allowed to circle before jumping up the bank in the water.

However, on the alternate route, there was a bank up, bounce over a log, then back down a very small, very square bank back into the water. That bank back in was so small (and didn't have a log on it or anything) that many of the horses misjudged it and landed four-footed or otherwise akwardly in the water. It wasn't nearly as dramatic as the problems before they removed the bridge, but it was a very small fence that rode very badly. Andrew Tempkin's horse fell and was eliminated there, though he and Andrew both got right back up. Then, Lellie Ward came through, fell there, and his horse ran through the ropes keeping spectators out of the water complex area. The horse pulled down the ropes, which knocked over many of the spectators sitting right alongside the ropes...no one was hurt, and Lellie got back on and finished.

Buck fell off of Idalgo at fence 3 and didn't continue, but I don't think he was hurt. Kim had a stop with Royal Venture at fence 6a, which was a table in the first water. It just looked like she expected him to jump and under-rode the fence. He came around and jumped it nicely, then went over the corner in the water. Kim pulled him up to save him for another day after that. Her round on Maguire was nice.

The coffin caused some problems, though more just ugly jumps than anything else. Ashley Harris fell there but was fine and continued. Julia Steinberg's horse Mr. Big was gorgeous through the coffin -- he just looked at it and seemed to say, "oh, a coffin -- I get it" and jumped through really well.

Overall, I didn't think the course rode particularly well. Lots of experienced horses had problems (Caroline Dowd had a stop on Raw Deal, who's been around Rolex. I think, though I'm not sure, that Karen had a stop on Joker's Wild.)

There were a number of minor bobbles (Philip's second horse banked fence 2, Penny Rowland's horse banked fence 6). The oxer before the first water was down hill and big, and there were a number of horses who either left very long or crawled over it. The distance from the oxer in the water to the corner (6a-b) was tough -- if you wanted 3, you had to mean it. The distance from the hanging log to the fence into the second water (24?) was a bit of a longer 3, though when Philip came through on the second horse, he made it look so easy that 2 would have been possible. The alternate route at the second water really required cranking the horses around through a sharp s-turn; it didn't flow, though of course it was intended to be the alternate route.

Other problems: Lynn Symansky's horse had a couple of stops and she pulled him up -- I though it was a good decision, as he wasn't jumping as well as I've seen him jump. Jessica Moore retired after two falls, but she's ok. Mark Krause's horse was VERY strong coming to the first water -- I though his jump over the oxer was scary, and he continued to be strong through the water, though jumped the corner pretty well. Mark fell later in the course, and the horse ran off into the 2-star steeplechase field. It took a long time to catch him.

Horses I though looked really good: Jon Hollings on both his horses, Peter Green on Magical, Julia S. on Mr. Big, Philip on Amazing Odyssey, Sara Davis on Dexter Wong, Emilee Libby on Cahir. I though Missy Ransehousen rode the second water really smart -- clearly riders who went later knew that horses were not paying attention to the little bank back into the water, and some made a clear effort to get the horses back and paying attention.

The Horse Park staff did a good job of putting up flags, keeping communications coming, and monitoring traffic. The footing seemed good. But I think there are a lot of wrinkles to be ironed out on the 3-star course. I know the 2-star also took a toll, but I didn't see it, so can't comment. --Jess

annikak
May. 14, 2005, 03:17 PM
jagold- you made me VERY happy- I am sitting here waiting for results, the barn still needs doing, and I cannot M O V E because inquiring minds want to know....!

3dazey
May. 14, 2005, 03:21 PM
YOW!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Thanks, JAGold for that. I can't move either, and haven't moved much since the audio feed ended! I tuned in about 1/2way thru the ***, just in time to hear 2 riders fall at that 2nd water in quick succession. Yikes. I didn't catch any of the ** but am concerned because the alternate route at the 2nd water that you're telling us about looked to be the straight way for the **, by the photos on the audio feed page. Hope the small bank back off didn't claim a bunch of **!!!

Sounds like it was a real live ***, it will be most interesting to see the results and hear the commentary of the riders. I CAN'T WAIT! Jersey Fresh website and eventingetc.com, I'm WAITING!!!

JAGold
May. 14, 2005, 03:32 PM
Hey guys -- results are now posted. I was wrong about Karen; she was clean and is now sitting 3rd. I'm pretty sure the rest of what I remembered is correct http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(annika, I know you are mostly interested in the Michigan people, and I sat with a couple of them. Ashley M.'s horse fell at the 2nd to last fence, but he's ok.)

Top 3, in case you can't get the results to load:
3-star: Phillip/Amazing Odyssey, Buck/Hyperlite, Karen/Joker's Wild
2-star: Stephen Bradley/New Moon, Julia Leah Briskin/Enzo, Thresa Fort/Whitehill Lad.

--Jess

JAGold
May. 14, 2005, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 3dazey:
YOW!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Thanks, JAGold for that. I can't move either, and haven't moved much since the audio feed ended! I tuned in about 1/2way thru the ***, just in time to hear 2 riders fall at that 2nd water in quick succession. Yikes. I didn't catch any of the ** but am concerned because the alternate route at the 2nd water that you're telling us about looked to be the straight way for the **, by the photos on the audio feed page. Hope the small bank back off didn't claim a bunch of **!!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, I think the straight route for the 2-star had a log off the bank there. I sat with some of the 2-star riders, and they said that their division didn't have problems with the bank back in. --Jess

RunForIt
May. 14, 2005, 03:40 PM
XC SCORES ARE UP!!!!

deltawave
May. 14, 2005, 05:20 PM
So now I'm REALLY wondering--hearing of horses struggling and getting pulled up within the first 10 fences--if the lack of steeplechase had an impact in terms of "getting their motor running". (or not, as the case may be)

I'm so bummed for Bruce, but he has his gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous Rock Star going next weekend in the Virginia CCI*, LONG FORMAT. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

persefne
May. 14, 2005, 05:49 PM
Yea for Stephen and New Moon! How amazing for having only jump schooled him once before the competition!!! I guess in pre-event interviews, he kept mentioning what a "good guy" New Moon is, so he wasn't too worried about the catch ride, but what a tribute to him as a great rider, as well!

JAGold
May. 14, 2005, 09:29 PM
Wow to John Williams's comments about the footbridge. See Eventing Etc. (http://www.eventingetc.com/2005/april_jume/reports/report_jersey_fresh_xc.htm) for the article, but here's a short excerpt from John's quote: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Shane Doyle (a Driving person) claims to have built the Water Jump. The only part he did build was not to my specifications...He's (Shane Doyle) a very quiet smooth talking person. On first impression you think you can put your faith in him. He let all of us down in every way he could have. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> John goes on to explain the more technical part of the problem -- that the bridge was "springy" and caused horses to over-rotate in the air.

It's an interesting and plausible explanation. However, I'm surprised by the animosity in the quote -- of course it's hard to tell from a quote that may or may not have been taken out of context, but it makes me wonder about the back story. I'd also be interested in knowing John's take on the problem with the bank in the option -- which caused a lot of problems in its own right, though presumably fewer than the bridge would have caused. --Jess

Alibhai's Alibar
May. 14, 2005, 09:56 PM
My cross-country photos are online http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.finalturnsites.com/gallery/AlibhaisAlibar

annemarie
May. 14, 2005, 11:06 PM
New Moon is a fabulous horse!!! Big MO deserves a win, and Jane Sleeper deserves as much credit as Stephen for bringing him along so nicely... She'll be in the saddle next time!

Impromptu
May. 15, 2005, 03:15 AM
Does anyone know why Ashley Johnson retired Aly Cat Two on xc?

annikak
May. 15, 2005, 04:25 AM
Jess- (when are you coming to MI?) thanks- and I do know that the two I was "looking" for were E'd. I don't know the story, so none to tell, and I personally would not want a phone call on THAT long drive home! Should I hear anything, I will share!

Caroline D, sad for her. She has had a rough spring....

As far as Johns quote (I have not read anything but what you posted) I can bet he was really upset- it was HIS course, and there were problems. Many of the problems (from what I can see) occured there, and as I understand it, he is a very kind and good course designer. I would think that he would feel badly for not giving all the horses positive rides, and if its because of a building problem that was not done to his specs, I bet you THAT is frustrating. I feel for him in any case- how tough to see problems on your "baby".

Thanks for the Pictures, AA, they are great- the photo of Jon H thru the water...now THAT is how it should be done- the look great!

KellyS
May. 15, 2005, 05:17 AM
That's very interesting about the water jump...my husband and I competed in the CDE that was held there the weekend before and I was very curious as to how they were going to change the water for the event. I have to say that using the footbridge didn't enter my mind as I figured they would use the banks on the "circular part" that the bridge opened onto.

I, too, am a bit surprised at the quote and would be interested to hear both sides of the story.

Scaramouch
May. 15, 2005, 07:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by annikak:
Caroline D, sad for her. She has had a rough spring.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you know why she retired? I didn't get to listen to the audio feed.............

VetRep
May. 15, 2005, 07:50 AM
I don't know about the "back story"...but I chatted with John on Friday night about the course, and it was obvious he had worked very hard to make the best course possible given some challenging parameters. He also mentioned (jokingly) that some of the riders were "a little mad at him" because the course was quite challenging. My take on it is: relatively new event/new level = inevitable growing pains and "live and learn" scenarios.

Impromptu: I spoke with Ashley's mother after X-C and she said that her horse just got a little too close to one jump, hung a leg, and they fell. Both she and Ally Cat Two are fine.

I'm heading over now to watch some of the Show Jumping. I'll report back later!

persefne
May. 15, 2005, 09:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by annemarie:
and Jane Sleeper deserves as much credit as Stephen for bringing him along so nicely... She'll be in the saddle next time! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good to hear! Her recent surgery sounded NOT FUN.

I was also surprised and a little disappointed, maybe?, at John's comments. I think an explanation of the issue (the springiness of the unsupported structure and the causes for the overrotation on the drop) would have been sufficient enough...without some of the yucky attitude that came through in the quotations. Of course, someone else mentioned they could have been taken out of context by the writer, but I hate to hear such borderline animosity between a course designer and a builder. What was that about saying he was a "Driving" person, anyway? Does he usually just build for the CDE? That seemed a bit "catty," so if that were to explain "the problem," why was he building for a CCI***? I hope they get things ironed out for the next time around.

Now, on to show jumping! Anyone else rooting for Rebecca Brown and Twinkle Toes (the little guy with the missing front tooth) in the CCI**?

RunForIt
May. 15, 2005, 09:29 AM
I'm really cheering for Rebecca and Twinkle Toes - what a great story! Also, Mary Bess Horton in the CCI ***. Wish that there were regular updates on the results - PLEASE, folks post what you know as it happens!

Pol
May. 15, 2005, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by persefne:
Interesting that Adrienne Iorio-Borden is running Better I do It so soon after Rolex, as well (in regards to the earlier Kim and Maguire discussion). She even made it half-way around the XC course before she retired. Perhaps she knew that they weren't in the running, so better to go ahead at Jersey Fresh than to finish at Rolex??? They must have had a much better dressage ride today than in Kentucky... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Adrienne had no intention of running the horse all the way around Rolex. Her plan was to pull up before the jumps got hard and that is what she did.
What the heck happened yesterday?? Seems like massive carnage. I am really sorry for John. He would NEVER design/build an unforgiving course. He is ALL about horses feeling successful. Yikers.
WHAT happened to Sally Cousins? Looks like Agador had a wonderful test? Then a big WD??
How's it all going today???

goodymar1188
May. 15, 2005, 10:23 AM
Do they have live feed going today? If so, where is it at?

I was grooming at a show yesterday so I couldn't see the webcast!

IQ3day
May. 15, 2005, 12:38 PM
Rebecca WON!!! It makes me want to cry! I am sooo sooo soooo happy for her! She is such an amazing person!

hamish macbeth
May. 15, 2005, 12:54 PM
how did Dorothy Crowel and Elissa Estes do in the end. I saw they both had penalties on the xc but how was the jog and the showjump.

goodymar1188
May. 15, 2005, 01:08 PM
Hamish-

Well Dorothy ended up in 10th w/ Guappers! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif 5 penalities in SJ, so not too bad for Guapo. From what I heard she had a stop at the water (which was HER fault).

Elissa had 10 SJ penalities, which for Max isn't terrible either. She had a stop at the water as well... a different water I believe then Guapo.

LisaB
May. 15, 2005, 01:13 PM
I would be very interested to hear a true rendering of this course. I generally take eventingetc's comments and editorials with a grain of salt. He may have said those things but probably in a context that isn't so biting. John just isn't that way. And he probably is terribly upset at what happened.
I'm glad that everyone's in one piece.

free
May. 15, 2005, 01:19 PM
I wonder how many of the *** riders had doubts/complaints after they walked it? Maybe this one was difficult to feel until ridden?

hamish macbeth
May. 15, 2005, 01:21 PM
thank you goodymar1188. I was not able to catch dorothy on the cell today. Sounds like guapo is on his way to a three star. Do you know what Elissa's plans my be? I will be at Dorothy barn all week while she is off in Virginia. How did Duke do in the young horse event class??

Laurel&HollyFarm
May. 15, 2005, 02:13 PM
Can someone share the story of Twinkle Toes? I did a search and couldn't find anything.

I was happy to see that Amazing Odyssey won the three star. That is one beautiful horse. We saw him at Pine Top when Lisa Parker Evans had him. She had him groomed to the nines.

goodymar1188
May. 15, 2005, 02:49 PM
Hamish-

I know Elissa REALLY wants to run Advanced (maybe at Maui Jim Wayne HT in July?) but that was the plan about 6 months ago, it could have changed by now. I really hope Dorothy will run Guappers Advanced at Maui Jim, I don't see why she wouldn't.

I'm not sure about Dukers... I didn't know he went with actually!

I've been trying ALL DAY to get ahold of AJ to see how her mare is... do you have any idea? I was going to go to Virginia to groom for Ty but I can't get ahold of her... and it's not like AJ to not answer her cell!

JAGold
May. 15, 2005, 03:12 PM
I got there in time for the 3-star show jumping today. There were LOTS of rails -- only Ashley Harris, Julia S., and Phillip jumped clean. Phillip's round, in particular, was gorgeous. Fence 3 was a single verticle set on an angle across the center line of the ring, and it came down pretty regularly. Other problem fences were another single verticle on the diagonal, a vertical of planks off of a sharp turn, and the triple combination at the end of the course.

Sara Davis won best turned-out, and Dorthoy got a sportsmanship award. --Jess

fargonefarm
May. 15, 2005, 03:56 PM
Just random curiosity -
What happened to Catherine Henderson (Medley) on XC on the two star course? She's a Michigan gal and I was kinda curious.

AngelEventer
May. 15, 2005, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JAGold:
I got there in time for the 3-star show jumping today. There were LOTS of rails -- only Ashley Harris, Julia S., and Phillip jumped clean. Phillip's round, in particular, was gorgeous. Fence 3 was a single verticle set on an angle across the center line of the ring, and it came down pretty regularly. Other problem fences were another single verticle on the diagonal, a vertical of planks off of a sharp turn, and the triple combination at the end of the course.

Sara Davis won best turned-out, and Dorthoy got a sportsmanship award. --Jess </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to the scores... Will Faudree, Phillip Dutton, Kristin Bachman and Laura Vandervliet, Ashley Harris and Leslie ward All had clear rounds...

fargonefarm
May. 15, 2005, 03:59 PM
Just random curiosity -
Why did Catherine Henderson (Medley) get eliminated on XC? She's a fellow Michigan gal, so I'm curious.

deltawave
May. 15, 2005, 06:59 PM
I was listening to Cathy Henderson's round and she had 5 stops total: 2 at fence 8 and one at three other fences in the first half of the course for an "E".

baileygreyhorse
May. 15, 2005, 07:41 PM
I just finished uploading my pics to Webshots. Nice day and tough courses. Come take a look. (http://community.webshots.com/album/346101392WrjFRj?983)

goodymar1188
May. 15, 2005, 07:55 PM
Bailey-

The second picture (of the chestnut with the burgandy & royal clothing) is Elissa Estes and Loughnatousa Max.

I'll let you know if I there's any others I recongize!

persefne
May. 15, 2005, 08:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AngelEventer:
According to the scores... Will Faudree, Phillip Dutton, Kristin Bachman and Laura Vandervliet, Ashley Harris and Leslie ward All had clear rounds... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right, according to the horse park website (grrrr.) After further research, however, I found that Will and Laura were spun at the vet check this morning and Lellie never even presented Riverdance. The freaking horse park figured in their "no rides" as "0" penalties in the final scores (instead of listing them as "E" at the bottom or wherever), making it appear as though they had actually finished with clear rounds, and Will was even shown as having come in 3rd.

I was happy to find, though, that Twinkle Toes did, in fact (100% and for real...no mistakes with that one) win the CCI**!

JAGold
May. 15, 2005, 08:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AngelEventer:
According to the scores... Will Faudree, Phillip Dutton, Kristin Bachman and Laura Vandervliet, Ashley Harris and Leslie ward All had clear rounds... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think there is a problem with the scoreboard, and horses that were spun or not presented are showing up as clear rounds. I think that Lellie Ward didn't present his horse and Will's horse was spun; I'm not sure about Kristin Bachman and Laura Vandervliet, but I think a second horse was also spun. I'm not sure, so I hope someone else can confirm. --Jess

JAGold
May. 15, 2005, 08:12 PM
persefne, we must have been posting at the same time. At any rate, I'm glad you can confirm what I thought I remembered! So AngelEventer, it sounds like it IS a problem with the scoreboard. Hopefully they will correct it soon http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --Jess

Laurie@CBF
May. 15, 2005, 08:14 PM
I spoke with Laura today - and yes her horse was "spun" this morning.

persefne
May. 15, 2005, 08:15 PM
JAGold -- You did such a great job keeping us up to speed with the action this weekend! It's too bad YOU couldn't have been responsible for also updating the horse park website, which would have saved a number of us from fruitless logging on and NO UPDATED SCORES (or INCORRECT RESULTS)! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Alibhai's Alibar
May. 15, 2005, 10:10 PM
All of my photos are online- Thurs, Fri, Sat, and Sun:

http://www.finalturnsites.com/gallery/AlibhaisAlibar

Jersey Fresh now starts at Page 7 of the Eventing album. Most photos are three star but there are a few two star photos mixed in. Everything is in chronological order. Thanks for looking!

AppJumpr08
May. 15, 2005, 11:07 PM
Bailey - images 0255,0256, and 0257 are all Wendy and Blazer http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
0292, 0294 - Buck and Hyperlite
0297 - I *think* is Dean Miller and Thunder Bay
0323, 0324 - Karen O'C
0327, 0328 - Will Faudree
0336, 0337 - Phillip Dutton
0339, 0340 - Penny Rowland and Windswept

Great Shots ! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

3dayQ
May. 16, 2005, 06:43 AM
*Note*-Lellie Ward is a SHE, not a HE. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ZEBE
May. 16, 2005, 09:36 AM
Thanks for GREAT PHOTOS!!!!!!!

chartley
May. 16, 2005, 12:15 PM
Bailey,
photo 0260 is me and my horse... Sally Shirley and Say You Do.

I don't think you can make any judgement on short versus long format at Jersey Fresh. There was just as much carnage in the ** as the ***.

KateDB
May. 16, 2005, 12:44 PM
Whoohooo!!! Go May!

2869
May. 16, 2005, 12:56 PM
Bailey: photo #0254 is Jen morse and Mt colebrook. (my old horse http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

baileygreyhorse
May. 16, 2005, 05:43 PM
Thanks for the help guys! And thanks for the compliments. It was only the second time out with that camera. I still have to work out some timing issues.

Anyone else recognize any people?

Pol
May. 16, 2005, 08:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 3dayQ:
*Note*-Lellie Ward is a SHE, not a HE. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
THANK YOU!! I sure was getting confused! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

CHARTLEY! Yay for you and May! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

3Day-Eventer
May. 17, 2005, 06:53 AM
Does anyone know why Bruce Davidson WD Jam?
I was rooting for him after his injury at Poplar Place!!

kytter
May. 17, 2005, 01:33 PM
Hi everyone! I went to Jersey Fresh on Saturday for cross-country. Here are my photos:

http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeANWrJs2ZuWjOGA

Can anyone help me identify some of the 2-star riders? (the photos without captions) Thanks in advance!

AppJumpr08
May. 17, 2005, 05:33 PM
Bruce's hand still isn't up to snuff - I saw him on sunday at Chesterland. He decided that since their dressage score was so bad that it wasn't worth the risk of going xc. (I think there was a turning question to the right that he was really concerned about) - if he had to use his bad hand to brace on Jam's neck, he was going to be screwed for the rest of the summer.

He is planning on running at the * this weekend though http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mariequi
May. 18, 2005, 12:59 PM
Will be calling to check up on Lellie.

Does anyone know what happened to Sinead Halpin? I just heard that she fell into a fence and is going for plastic and oral surgery. Sounds like she fell head first.

baileygreyhorse
May. 18, 2005, 05:33 PM
Sinead fell at the water jump, in the water. I overheard someone say that she broke her jaw. I have no idea how that would have happened. It was a pretty bad fall; horse pecked the landing and she went over into the water. Rotten luck. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif

polo3day
May. 19, 2005, 08:29 AM
Actually no broken bones, just lots of "soft tissue damage", I guess you would say?... She seemed in remarkably good spirits when I talked to her Sunday.