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LimoWrek
Feb. 18, 2004, 06:36 PM
There has always been threads about drug use in the hunter/jumper world. I think this poll will be interesting.

Select the most hard core drug you have EVER tried in your entire life. Don't lie, it's anonymous, you know. The drugs below start off least hard and get to most hard (pot being the lowest, heroin being the most)

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LimoWrek
Feb. 18, 2004, 06:36 PM
There has always been threads about drug use in the hunter/jumper world. I think this poll will be interesting.

Select the most hard core drug you have EVER tried in your entire life. Don't lie, it's anonymous, you know. The drugs below start off least hard and get to most hard (pot being the lowest, heroin being the most)

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Limo Wrek.

fleur
Feb. 18, 2004, 06:39 PM
well, i put perks and vikes, because i've had both for painful injuries. otherwise, it would be pot http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ComingAttraction
Feb. 18, 2004, 06:45 PM
And why is everyone so suprised every time someone gets caught with cocaine?

Paloma
Feb. 18, 2004, 06:49 PM
Who cares. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

LimoWrek
Feb. 18, 2004, 06:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paloma:
Who cares. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why the hate?

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HopelessHunter
Feb. 18, 2004, 07:11 PM
I am so far drug free!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Doobers
Feb. 18, 2004, 07:26 PM
Is there a point to this thread? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

S4zeus
Feb. 18, 2004, 07:53 PM
Having been in public school I have been around all of these drugs and I am proud to say that I have never tried any.

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LimoWrek
Feb. 18, 2004, 08:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cooby:
Is there a point to this thread? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Is there a point to any of our threads? No, there isn't if you aren't looking for one. Was there a point to your own post? Nope.. It has much more of a point than the pocket trainer, the george morris critique, or the name my horse threads. I think this is a good thread, actually. If you don't then just don't post and let it fade away.

Everyone talks about drug use in the horse world. I figure we can make an anonymous poll and acatually get a grasp if drug use in the horse world is different from drug use in the real world. How many threads have been made about drug use (cocaine) in the hunter/jumper world? I'd guess about 200 or so since this board was created.

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fourmares
Feb. 18, 2004, 08:29 PM
Only in college.

Black Market Radio
Feb. 18, 2004, 08:34 PM
Free and clear here. Watching my father lying on the floor having a violent siezure due to cocaine use detered me from ever trying drugs.

fleur, using perscription drugs for their prescribed purpose isn't the point of this thread, so you should have voted otherwise http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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PuffyDo
Feb. 18, 2004, 08:39 PM
Devildog-

A little less dramatic circumstances on my side. Watching my older sister go through months of punishment for coming home trippin on God only knows what kept me from experimenting. I'm pretty sure I didn't miss out on much.

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Feb. 18, 2004, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devildog87:
fleur, using perscription drugs for their prescribed purpose isn't the point of this thread, so you should have voted otherwise http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
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Oops. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

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caffeinated
Feb. 19, 2004, 04:46 AM
never tried anything.

never had any desire to.

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Jumphigh83
Feb. 19, 2004, 06:38 AM
You forgot the catagory "all of the above".......(just kidding!) I am not sure anyone would be eager to catalog their past sins. Let he who is without sin be the first to get stoned....

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Flash44
Feb. 19, 2004, 06:53 AM
And we wonder why the horse show world seems so corrupt...it seems some people either don't know or don't care (or both) about the difference between illegal and legal.

Kels
Feb. 19, 2004, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S4Zeus:
Having been in public school I have been around all of these drugs and I am proud to say that I have never tried any.

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Hey, I went to public school for a few years, private for most of my school years, and believe me, there's every bit as much of drugs in the private as in the public.

I would lie if I said I have never been around pot and smoked it...Not saying this is something that happens/happened regularly (because it ISN'T a regular occurance and never was- only once did I), but I don't lie. Unfortunately in highschool I made some crappy decisions, and in the 2 short years since graduation I have grown up SO much. So yea, I am not proud, but I won't lie to people if they ask. I never had any desire to do anything else, never drank, smoked cigarettes, did ritalin or E, nothing.

I was on vicadin after I got my tonsils out and OMGiH it made me so sick I thought I would die. (Just saying why that has NO appeal to me!)

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Weatherford
Feb. 19, 2004, 06:57 AM
Yeah, I smoked pot.... Not for long (a year, maybe) and I quit LONG before most of you were born (we are talking ver early 70's before I went to college, even - and even my mother who was in her late 50's - early 60's did at that time, too!) Ruined my singing voice, killed off what few brain cells I think I even had, and made me hallucinate. Yup, POT!

Now, I don't even drink.

People say pot isn't addictive - and I will agree for MOST people it isn't. But for those for whom it IS addictive - and I both know and am related to those sorts - it is very very sad! Especially when that person is talented, bright, interesting, and basically nice. Of course, this is true of any additive substance - from alcohol to legal drug to the illegal ones.

Very very sad!

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hb
Feb. 19, 2004, 08:36 AM
Hey Electric Tape, umm, I mean Limo Wrek (today at least) don't you have anything better to do than stir the pot?

Seahorsefarmtobe
Feb. 19, 2004, 08:50 AM
I am surprized that (currently) the number of "never" answers is the highest...I really thought it would be smaller...

LimoWrek
Feb. 19, 2004, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hb:
Hey Electric Tape, umm, I mean Limo Wrek (today at least) don't you have anything better to do than stir the pot?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Electric Tape is someone else. This isn't stiring the pot. If it is, then you helped by replying. I think this is a serious thread. I am interested in the results. I was at an exhibitor's party at one of the winter shows last week and was thinking about this topic, acatually.

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Black Market Radio
Feb. 19, 2004, 09:20 AM
I also think this is a legitimate topic.

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Dakotawyatt
Feb. 19, 2004, 09:44 AM
I too think it's legit. I for one am interested in these results. I have a really good friend that almost got arrested b/c her boyfriend got her into dealing and using cocaine. HE got arrested, and that kicked her butt into gear to STOP it. I can honestly say I have never tried ANY drug. I have NO desire to. I come from a family with tendencies towards addictions and it would be my luck to get addicted to whatever I 'experimented' with. I've never had first hand experience with people strung out, either. My friend that was using hid it well; I never knew until she'd quit and gotten her act together. The KK thread is so sad to me, b/c people with 'addictions' may be addicted and need help, yes, but they consciously made a DECISION to use whatever substance for the first time. We all have the ability to make the initial decision to get us into whatever, and I don't feel sorry for anyone with an addiction. Just my opinion.

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LimoWrek
Feb. 19, 2004, 11:18 AM
Looks like we need a new choice for crack now. :x

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Calico
Feb. 19, 2004, 02:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
Let he who is without sin be the first to get stoned....

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Lead, follow, or get out of the way...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So THAT'S why I never got stoned. And here I thought someone just sold me oregano.

Baileybff
Feb. 19, 2004, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moonkitty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jumphigh83:
Let he who is without sin be the first to get stoned....

Betsy
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Lead, follow, or get out of the way...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So THAT'S why I never got stoned. And here I thought someone just sold me oregano.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! I think this is a very good thread to be honest. I was very interested in seeing the results of the poll...and too was suprised at all the NEVER, NOTHING, EVER votes. Not that I feel like everyone on the planet has not at least "tried something".
I for one admit to having a semi-wild teen life. I have never tried (or even THOUGHT about trying) crack, cocaine, heroine, etc, just the words scare me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/dead.gif. I was by no means a goodie goodie and admit to that. However, at 27 with 2 children the only thing I do now is the occasional social drink(s)...oh and headache meds, lol http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif.

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Calla
Feb. 19, 2004, 04:58 PM
Nah, I seen too many end results to ever consider trying drugs of any type. Interesting topic by the way, its kinda made me wonder how many big time riders (you know, the ones that seem to have it all?) have addictions. Good to see that replies have all been respectful and legitimate so far.

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Hunter88
Feb. 19, 2004, 05:20 PM
One thing I don't understand, and I am not trying to offend anyone I promise! But I have never done any kind of illegal drug (dont plan to) but from what I have heard, you really dont know what you are doing when you are on them, but people still deal with half-ton animals? This doesn't make sense to me, If im not completely conscious of what I am doing, I certainly would not want to risk getting myself or my horse (or someone elses horse for that matter) injured! That would just be 2 scary, and I DEFINITELY would not put my horse under the care of anyone I thought who was doing this sort of thing. just my 2 cents

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Black n Blue
Feb. 19, 2004, 05:33 PM
Never done any of that.
Never even smoked a cig, or drank.
Not planing on it either, since my friend OD'd at the begining of the year and was in the hospital in ICU for a week, then moved to the recoop ward for another month.

Scary stuff.

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FourGreen
Feb. 20, 2004, 12:31 PM
This could be a good thread Limo but I doubt your going to have the industry's "users" posting on this board or voting on this topic so I'm not sure how accurate ur results will be if your looking for results for people at a typical horse show.

stop4
Feb. 20, 2004, 01:09 PM
HAHAHAHA wouldn't be funny if someone was reading this thread while they were high?

I would never go near crack but coke is fine as long as you don't do it very often... as for pot, I think that it is much less damaging then alcohal...

fleur
Feb. 20, 2004, 01:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> coke is fine as long as you don't do it very often... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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you never cease to amaze me, sandstone. please, grow up before it kills you. coke can cause violent siezures and even death with as little as one try. seriously. not to mention what happens if what you're snorting isn't even coke. there're a lot of nasty white powders out there.

i do agree with you about pot being not as bad as booze though.

stop4
Feb. 20, 2004, 01:22 PM
I really don't do coke, although some swear its the only thing that could explain the way I am http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

I don't think that any one has ever robbed a gas station because they got the munchies http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

budman
Feb. 20, 2004, 01:23 PM
Oops, shift me from the prescription painkiller tally to the pot tally, then, because I took those WITH a prescription http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif And, if violently throwing up the time I tried pot takes me out of that category, I guess you can put me in the "none" vote, but I did try it. Aren't I http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif (Not)

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FourGreen
Feb. 20, 2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LimoWrek:
There has always been threads about drug use in the hunter/jumper world. I think this poll will be interesting.

Select the most hard core drug you have EVER tried in your entire life. Don't lie, it's anonymous, you know. The drugs below start off least hard and get to most hard (pot being the lowest, heroin being the most)

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I would say the O.C.'s and Hydrocodone ones should be "harder" then coke......This is sad to say but I know 2 many people who have ODed on oxycontins, then who have had complications from cocaine! Just my $0.02

ponygal5
Feb. 20, 2004, 07:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cooby:
Is there a point to this thread? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Lisi
Feb. 20, 2004, 11:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandstone:
HAHAHAHA wouldn't be funny if someone was reading this thread while they were high?

I would never go near crack but coke is fine as long as you don't do it very often... as for pot, I think that it is much less damaging then alcohal...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My dad said he tried cocaine once and got such a high off it that he knew he couldn't do it again without getting really stuck on it.
Hey, has anyone seen the scene in Pulp Fiction where they try to stick the needle through Uma Thurman's heart? I know it isn't real, but it made me laugh and put me off drugs at the same time.

PinkPony
Feb. 21, 2004, 01:17 AM
Pot, Heroin but nothing "in between"? I would NEVER touck heroin or coke but in my youth tried some "colorful" drugs. I was pretty stupid back then. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif

girlsnotgrey
Feb. 21, 2004, 03:01 PM
I ll admit to using pot, shrooms, and hash, i think this poll should include more these types of inbetween drugs because i think they are more commonly used then cocaine and herion. but you know just my $0.02

Drummerboy
Feb. 21, 2004, 03:32 PM
Nothing, don't drink either. Do know one judge though that still has his card and did Cocaine at shows, while judging, amongst other things.

None of my friends do drugs either. Some may have ridden on painkillers for an injury, but don't "use". I wonder what the age group is we are looking at here is? I am in the "olders", which may make a differance! (heck, I can't even take allergy medication without getting loopy!)

horsegirl33
Feb. 21, 2004, 09:04 PM
Do perks count b/c you've had them from an injury? haha http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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stop4
Feb. 22, 2004, 06:52 AM
luvmytrakehnerwb- I totally agree with you on everything! I dont ride high but thats because my trainer can tell when I am. It really is so much safer then drinking.

tosca4711
Feb. 22, 2004, 11:37 AM
Actually, research shows that pot affects motivation, and cognition. I saw a few potheads in highschool and it was not pretty. Pot smoke is far more carcinogenic than cigarette smoke. You affect other people when you smoke pot as well.

I have never tried any illegal substances, or abused controlled substances. I was never interested.

Tosca

tosca4711
Feb. 22, 2004, 11:41 AM
The psychoactive ingredients in pot are stored in your brain cells for quite a long time (I forget how long), and it takes longer to de-tox from pot than it does from other substances.

Tosca

Thorne
Feb. 22, 2004, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandstone:
HAHAHAHA wouldn't be funny if someone was reading this thread while they were high?

I would never go near crack but coke is fine as long as you don't do it very often... as for pot, I think that it is much less damaging then alcohal...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! Hit the nail on the head, at least IMOHO, and i think that this poll is biased in the sense that its if you have tried the drug. Many people have tried many things that they would never do again. Whether it be drugs, techniques with horses, life choices. I know the grooms sit around and drink beer at night, and I have seen more than one trainer/groom/patron/rider in more than appropriate intoxication levels. I think this thread is interesting, but I completely agree, that the only difference between marijuana and alcohol is that one is legal. If we were in the twenties would you all be looking down at anyone having a glass of wine after a hard days work? Laws are there to keep us safe, but they also reflect what most people consider socially acceptable. Just because people say it is illegal, doesn't make it morally wrong/socially unacceptable/not ok for you individually.

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Thorne
Feb. 22, 2004, 12:27 PM
And by the way, the THC is NOT store in your brain cells, but fat cells, rather than blood stream, yes, making it harder to clear you system, depending on your %fat ratio. I am one EDUCATED stoner!

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tosca4711
Feb. 22, 2004, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thorne:
And by the way, the THC is NOT store in your brain cells, but fat cells, rather than blood stream, yes, making it harder to clear you system, depending on your %fat ratio. I am one EDUCATED stoner!

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Educate yourself a little more. Brain cells are mostly fat, and THC has been found stored mostly in the cerebellum (fine motor reflexes) and the hippocampus (short term memory). Apparently it can take up to two years for marijuana to clear from the brain of a heavy user.

Tosca

ALF
Feb. 22, 2004, 02:48 PM
Yo dude! Thats a long time!!

Thorne
Feb. 22, 2004, 02:54 PM
When I think of brain cells, I think of the cells themselves, not the fatty tissue surrounding as a protection. I can't say that you are wrong about the hippocampus and cerebellum, but if they are fat cells how much brain power can they really be creating? Its also like saying your hair contains it and can be tested for it for years, depending on when you cut your hair. I will admit my research is a bit rusty, as I did my report senior year (three years ago) and with scientific research changing so rapidly it is hard to keep up. But what I hate is outdated refer madness. I think Mc Donalds is a bigger detriment to our country, and Im all for legalizing marijuana. Different strokes, i suppose.

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Calico
Feb. 22, 2004, 02:58 PM
Dude, if you think MickeyD's is a problem now, wait until you legalize pot and the entire nation has the munchies.

Oh, and fat cells provide insulation for nerve conductivity, so fat IS directly involved in brain function. Whether THC affects all that long-term, I don't know.

IrishLuck
Feb. 22, 2004, 03:05 PM
i also go to a public high school and have never tried drugs.

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Thorne
Feb. 22, 2004, 03:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moonkitty:
Dude, if you think MickeyD's is a problem now, wait until you legalize pot and the entire nation has the munchies.

Oh, and fat cells provide insulation for nerve conductivity, so fat IS directly involved in brain function. Whether THC affects all that long-term, I don't know.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHAHA, constructive criticism well taken, now can't we all just get along? Like I said, I still don't know how accurate this poll will be, what about a new one about drugs that are still being used, perscription or not!! If you are all so worried about who is handling your horses while intoxicated why should it matter if they have a peice of paper saying its ok? Whether perscription, legal, or otherwise, it all affects us differently, and if thats what you want to know I think you are asking the wrong questions.

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Stephie
Feb. 22, 2004, 03:39 PM
I go to public highschookl, and have never tried anything, I did take a vicoden(sp) once after having a guy run into me and break my whole toenail off, but i dont think that counts. I dofinately agree that drinking is more dangerous than many other drugs out there. Also, i watched something on tv the other day, about how manye influential people throughout history did drugs, and it gave them clear minds, and better indight into their daily lives...just an afterthough though.....

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Calico
Feb. 22, 2004, 07:15 PM
On the other hand, I'll bet the crime rate would plummet. Rather than rob a convenience store, stoners would just buy a bag of Doritos and go home and watch Born in East L.A.

PuffyDo
Feb. 22, 2004, 07:35 PM
I took tylox and heavy duty motrin when I got my wisdon teeth taken out, and believe me, there is a reason why they say "take with food" for the tylox!! First, you get this really great buzz (really fun when you are trying on prom dresses http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif) but then you puke because it upsets your stomach. Puking sucks, but the buzz was fun. Thats the extent of my drug taking...alcohol may be another thread...

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oskaar
Feb. 22, 2004, 07:37 PM
Hey, has anyone seen the scene in Pulp Fiction where they try to stick the needle through Uma Thurman's heart? I know it isn't real, but it made me laugh and put me off drugs at the same time.[/QUOTE]

Actually, she snorted heroin (see the above reference about mixing white powders), overdosed, and her heart stopped. The needle was epinepherine injected directly into her heart-- a very real consequence, and hardly funny (of course, that whole movie makes you laugh at things that aren't really funny).

Fiction
Feb. 22, 2004, 07:37 PM
THC leaving the brain is based on exponential decay. We did a graph on it in my Pre-Calc class this year, it's actually a pretty interesting subject. How long it stays in your brain depends on how much weed you smoke, how often, and how long the intervals inbetween smoking are. I believe THC is also the "active ingredient" so to speak, in several other drugs.

I goto a private highschool, but in all honesty, private or public makes hardly any difference. Public schools get the rep, because they have so many more kids, and it's become a more visual problem. But trust me when I tell you, private school is just as bad, it's just not as widely know. IMO, it's worse at private schools because you get kids with rediculous amounts of money that they use to fund their drug habits.

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RDutchRulz
Feb. 22, 2004, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter88:
One thing I don't understand, and I am not trying to offend anyone I promise! But I have never done any kind of illegal drug (dont plan to) but from what I have heard, you really dont know what you are doing when you are on them, but people still deal with half-ton animals? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Of the drugs listed in this poll (excluding Heroin b/c i have never done it) none make you feel as though you don't know what you are doing...i wouldn't recomend riding on pain killers though (not that i have ever done it but i tried to climb a fence once and i could barley get over the thing)

On drugs in general...i'm in college and i like to have a good time, but i feel like as long as you do things in moderation its all good...there are plenty of very sucessful people in the world who have done drugs (and alot that still do i'm sure) some people can't handle it and get themselves into trouble...but thats not everyone

L'histoire
Feb. 22, 2004, 09:46 PM
It is very easy to cross the line from 'moderation' to 'serious addiction.' It doesn't take much. There are a lot of people who 'can't handle it.' Some just hide it much better than others.

I got screamed at this morning at 4 am for making a pretty innocuous statement to my SO, who has been strung out on pain killers for the past 2 months. He just told me on Tuesday. I happened to make the mistake of making a very sleepy, very groggy statement before he'd gotten his morning fix. I can't say that I'd want to even be AROUND horses, much less ON them, while on the heavy-duty stuff. Last night, I watched him fall down, fall down on stuff, essentially fall asleep standing up, and be pretty much unable to string more than 5 words into a coherent sentence. I have no idea if this is typical of people who are abusing opioid pain killers, I've never been around it before. Simply put, it sucks & I wouldn't wish this on anyone. He's going into detox at the end of this week. My really cool, really laid back, really affectionate boyfriend has turned into a cranky, sick-all-the-time junkie who is constantly trying to figure out how & when he's going to get his next fix. It's more than a little depressing.

I'm amazed by the nonchalant attitude of many people towards prescription drugs - I've always been skittish of the heavier-duty stuff. I've seen so many kids in college doing a variety of prescription drugs - the same kids that are horrified by the idea of using coke - that it makes my head spin.

bigbay
Feb. 23, 2004, 08:56 AM
For those of you who smoke pot on a daily or regular basis, just and FYI:

As someone else stated, pot affects cognition and coordination. For these reasons (and others) it is a controlled substance. If you are pulled over while driving and are high, you will be arrested, your car will be impounded, and you will be subject to all the same penalties as someone caught driving under the influence of alcohol. That's why it's called driving under the influence- it doesn't say under the influence of what.

So please, if you have to do it, stay out of your car. I don't want you on the road with me. Thank you. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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the eleven
Feb. 23, 2004, 09:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moonkitty:
On the other hand, I'll bet the crime rate would plummet. Rather than rob a convenience store, stoners would just buy a bag of Doritos and go home and watch Born in East L.A.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I love Doritos and Born in East L.A.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own -Grateful Dead

War Admiral
Feb. 23, 2004, 09:48 AM
Here's a question for those who were there... Drug use: worse in the 70s or worse now??

I vote 70s. But I didn't inhale. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BLBGP
Feb. 23, 2004, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moonkitty:
On the other hand, I'll bet the crime rate would plummet. Rather than rob a convenience store, stoners would just buy a bag of Doritos and go home and watch Born in East L.A.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, authorities have been using a study that showed a very high level of criminals being caught with marijuana in their systems to argue that pot smoking leads to crime. Another group came forward to look over the studies and came to the conclusion that pot smoking doesn't necessarily lead to criminal activities, it's just that criminals are way more likely to get caught while high due to their perceptions and coordinations being slowed down! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can't find the study now, but if anyone wants to see it I can try again.

Vandy
Feb. 23, 2004, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BLBGP:
authorities have been using a study that showed a very high level of criminals being caught with marijuana in their systems to argue that pot smoking leads to crime <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok so this is getting waaay off topic but thought I'd add my 2 cents - I think this argument may be a little skewed...How many of these criminals had other illegal substances in their systems as well? I would venture to guess most of them. Most of these people also probably had milk or meat (or possibly Doritos) in their system too? Were those substances causing the crime?

People who use other, harder drugs are more likely to be smoking pot in addition to the other drugs. But it would take a much more thorough report to convince me that marijuana in and of itself is leading to crime. Perhaps the correlation is that criminals are likely to smoke marijuana among other things, rather than marijuana is at the root of the crime.

JMHO, and while I'm at it I might add that I have a fundamental problem with the drug laws in our society - especially in regard to marijuana. I am also one of those people who believes that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol. But I have to add (and keep this on-topic) I would not want someone drunk/stoned/high around my horses. Ever.

Edited to add:
Just comprehended the second part of BLBGP's post. That part makes more sense to me...Just took me a minute. And no, I haven't been smoking anything today http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by Vandy on Feb. 23, 2004 at 01:31 PM.]

Thorne
Feb. 23, 2004, 10:19 AM
I think the biggest reason why marijuana is not legalized is the issues brought up about driving. My brother went through this first hand and was freed of all charges of driving under the influence. Because marijuana stays in the system for such a long time it is hard to tell whether or not someone is really intoxicated. The testing is very expensive and has to be done very quickly in order to be accurate. If the cop pulling you over doesnt sober you up real quick the twenty minute ride to the station will. Most highs only last twenty to thirty minutes, so unless you just put that dubbie out, you have a pretty good chance of not getting charges. I dont condone driving while under the influence of anything (though I am sure there are very few of us on here who havent driven home atleast once when they know they shouldnt have). But without an accurate test for the levels of intoxication it does make the cities job difficult. Do I think legalization is really going to make a difference as to whether people drive stoned or not? Probably not, but I do believe that is whats holding back the system.
IMOHO I think we could get out of alot of debt by eliminating our black market, at least for marijuana, and making it legal, then taxes galore!!! People would probably still oay the same for the marijuana, but it would create jobs (its very easy to grow) and create revenue, and the money that would be going to stop people from smuggling marijuana in could go towards controlling "harder" drugs. Just my .2$

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Calico
Feb. 23, 2004, 03:59 PM
Guess what the #1 cash crop is in Missouri? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fleur
Feb. 23, 2004, 04:30 PM
i agree that driving high isn't a great idea, and should be illegal, but driving drunk is illegal and alcohol is not.

i could write a perfect bill of legalization for marijuana, down to appropriate taxation and regulation. with the right control, i think it would make the country much safer and would as thorne said provide some new revenue for the govt (and maybe ease the taxes we already have). not to mention that government regulation of sales means nothing that ISN'T pot getting into the baggie http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Portia
Feb. 23, 2004, 04:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by War Admiral:
Here's a question for those who were there... Drug use: worse in the 70s or worse now??

I vote 70s. But I didn't inhale. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't know if this makes me lame or not, but the one time I tried pot (which was in the '70s), I really didn't inhale. I tried a few puffs, but it made my throat burn and I couldn't breathe and that was it.

Thus was the extent of my experimentation with iilicit drugs (and I was a Theater major!). http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

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oskaar
Feb. 23, 2004, 07:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moonkitty:
Guess what the #1 cash crop is in Missouri? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and North Carolina. Farmers grow it between the tobacco.

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oskaar
Feb. 23, 2004, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Sorry big Bay but i have to rebuttle to this...the very next day I made my post on pot, i got pulled over for the first time. I WAS under the influence and i was doing 85 in a 55. I think the cop thought I was crying cuz of my eyes being bloodshot and glazed but I got off w/ out even a warning???! I had my stash right next to me, my car was baked out and I couldnt put a sentence together. MOP...theres a FINE LINE between law enforcement and law breaking...and maybe cops are just used to drunk drivers, not blazed drivers?? hehehe! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

um, didn't you just say this?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ...but I have learned to let my mind go w/ the high...or function like normal.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just a thought.

I can't drive high because pot makes me too loopy-- I value my own life as well as those of my friends, family, and other drivers on the road. I ride a lot of young horses, not to mention I am also an eventer. During a Karen O'Connor clinic, she asked if any one liked to take risks. She said she was one of the most chicken people she knew-- she had to attack an Olympic course with as much preparation and clarity as possible to ensure a safe ride. And yes, I am ashamed to say I have driven when I probably shouldn't have.

As I'm sure we all know, the government isn't always effective at controlling substances-- if they were, it would be a lot harder to get alcohol underage, pain killers without an injury, or cocaine without a rhinoplasty. What I have found since graduating from college is that there are a helluva lotta people smoke weed in the "real world." If the government would figure out how much tax money they are missing out on, they would legalize it. After all, that's what happened during the end of prohibition-- why allow bootleggers and criminals to earn the money that's going to be spent anyway?

fleur
Feb. 23, 2004, 07:37 PM
tsk tsk luvmytrakehnerwb. i did say i think it's wrong, but i have done my fair share of high driving and every single time i have stayed under the speed limit the entire way. i am a way more careful driver after smoking, because i do not want to get pulled over! it is possible to drive safely and rationally after smoking--it is not possible after drinking.
but you aren't making the best case for it saying you were going 30 miles over the speed limit in a freaking 55 zone...

stop4
Feb. 23, 2004, 07:50 PM
I always set the cruise control... lol my freinds call me the granny. It's really not that hard to drive high, its not like drinking where its impossible.

at norml.com they say that marijuana is the number one cash crop in Alabama, California, Conneticut, Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, Rhode Island, Virginia, W. Virginia.

The older I get the more I realize how many people and adults smoke, pot is a lot more common then most people realize. I was in my Geology class and out of 20 people there I knew for sure that 13 of them smoked regularly! Thats a really high percentage for a random group of 20 people.

fleur
Feb. 23, 2004, 07:59 PM
sandstone--i too am known as 'grandma driver' http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif hey, i'd rather go too slow than too fast http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

bigbay
Feb. 23, 2004, 08:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luvmytrakehnerwb:
Sorry big Bay but i have to rebuttle to this...the very next day I made my post on pot, i got pulled over for the first time. I WAS under the influence and i was doing 85 in a 55. I think the cop thought I was crying cuz of my eyes being bloodshot and glazed but I got off w/ out even a warning???! I had my stash right next to me, my car was baked out and I couldnt put a sentence together.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Beautiful. As long as it's just tokers like you on the road, there's obviously no need to worry. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>MOP...theres a FINE LINE between law enforcement and law breaking...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WTF?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> and maybe cops are just used to drunk drivers, not blazed drivers?? hehehe! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That must be it.

"The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor

satin
Feb. 23, 2004, 08:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
sandstone--i too am known as 'grandma driver' http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif hey, i'd rather go too slow than too fast http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

really? interesting...read on...

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I got a $239 speeding ticket yesterday


I'm sure they gave you that ticket because you were driving too slow, right?

fleur
Feb. 23, 2004, 08:40 PM
i wasn't high when i got that ticket. case in point, i drive safer when i'm high http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fleur
Feb. 23, 2004, 08:41 PM
p.s. always nice to know you're still keeping tabs on me, ya freakin' stalker http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

melting_mochi
Feb. 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
I don't know if drugs can be categorized in such a linear way. Oh well http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I voted for the non-heroin opiates. However, you didn't list hallucinogens http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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*Bullsnap-haters clique*
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melting_mochi
Feb. 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
oh. but i'm not a hunter/jumper. i'm an eventer.

"If the place I wanted to arrive at could only be reached by a ladder, I would give up trying to arrive at it. For the place i have to reach is where i must already be."
*Akhal-Teke clique*
*Mighty Thoroughbred clique*
*Bullsnap-haters clique*
*Double dilute clique*
*Eventing clique*

tosca4711
Feb. 24, 2004, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
i wasn't high when i got that ticket. case in point, i drive safer when i'm high http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

People who drive drunk also say that they drive better after a few drinks.

Tosca

satin
Feb. 24, 2004, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
p.s. always nice to know you're still keeping tabs on me, ya freakin' stalker http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes, clearly pointing out an inconsistency in your posts is stalking. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Does pot make you paranoid? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

fleur
Feb. 24, 2004, 07:08 AM
uh, like i just said, it's not an inconsistency. anyway, please go find something better to do with your time. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif tosca, if you've never driven high you can't know that it really doesn't affect your driving. obviously if you are blazed out of your mind it will, but i don't drive when i am http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif i never have and never will drive drunk.

tosca4711
Feb. 24, 2004, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fleur:
uh, like i just said, it's not an inconsistency. anyway, please go find something better to do with your time. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif tosca, if you've never driven high you can't know that it really doesn't affect your driving. obviously if you are blazed out of your mind it will, but i don't drive when i am http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif i never have and never will drive drunk.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excuse me, but I don't think I deserve this. If pot makes you this belligerent then you have a problem.
You can't say that pot makes you a better driver on a public board and expect people not to say something.

Tosca

fleur
Feb. 24, 2004, 07:21 AM
tosca, i was talking to flour in the first line, not you! please don't take offense.
and pot does make me a better driver, maybe in your experiences it doesn't but i promise you that if you drove with me straight and high, the difference would be that i drive faster and less carefully straight. it's just the fact of the matter. i've already taken sh!t for this and i don't really care http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p.s. if you think that was belligerent you should see some of my friends when they drink http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

stop4
Feb. 24, 2004, 08:15 AM
When Im straight and the driver is high, I still think that they drive normal. So its not like I just think its straight to drive high because I'm high and can't see whats really happening.

People need to understand that driving high is not the same as driving drunk and it is possible to be too high to drive. If someone was drunk I wouldn't let them drive but if someone was high I would...

fleur- your so right! alcohal makes people so much stupider then smoking!

when you get really drunk you'll do anything because you don't care but when you are high you have more control over what you do. How many people get drunk and hook up with someone they wouldn't have? or gotten hurt because they were falling all over the place? Stuff like that doesn't really happen when your high.

stop4
Feb. 24, 2004, 08:17 AM
Couldnt we get some reletive ages of everyone? Because I think that might be a main reason for differing beliefs in this case.

fleur
Feb. 24, 2004, 08:18 AM
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tosca4711
Feb. 24, 2004, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandstone:

fleur- your so right! alcohal makes people so much stupider then smoking!

when you get really drunk you'll do anything because you don't care but when you are high you have more control over what you do. How many people get drunk and hook up with someone they wouldn't have? or gotten hurt because they were falling all over the place? Stuff like that doesn't really happen when your high.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have been sober and watched people who were high on pot. They are not sensible. They are silly. I was approached on the subway by two girls who were higher than a kite, and asked if I had any pot to sell. They were giggling like crazy, and falling all over the place. I shudder to think that they might have had control of a car.
Tosca

stop4
Feb. 24, 2004, 08:48 AM
If they were that high then you are right they shouldn't have been driving. There are lots of levels of high, just like being drunk. Just because you have had a drink does not mean that you can't drive but having 10 drinks does. Being high can't be grouped into one level... you can be a little high, really high, shelled...

stop4
Feb. 24, 2004, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tosca4711:
I have been sober and watched people who were high on pot. They are not sensible. They are silly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are making an uninformed generalization... thats like saying someone is an alcoholic because you saw them drink a beer.

bigbay
Feb. 24, 2004, 09:52 AM
Just to put things in a context, I am 24. So not an old fogey. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And I could pretty much hold my own on that twnety fingers game over on catchride. So not sheltered either. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

1) The question of the safety of driving while high has less to do with your speed and ability to keep the car between the lines than it does with your perception and reaction times. Where pot will get you into trouble is your ability to forsee potential accidents and avoid other drivers when necessary. There is a reason why a cop will, despite luvmytrakehner's convinivng testimony http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif, arrest you for driving while high, and the system will try to get you convicted of a first offense DUI. They're not doing just to be mean. Many studies, more convincing and indepth than sitting sober in a passenger seat while watching your blazed friend drive, have proven it to be dangerous. You know those labels on prescription drugs that say "Do not operate heavy machinary"? Same idea with pot. They're not talking about just bulldozers folks. Your car qualifies. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Please don't tell me that if your parent, brother, sister or best friend was killed in an auto accident and you found out the driver at fault was also high, you wouldn't feel sick at the waste of it all and that maybe it could've been avoided. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

2) So we have testimony from several people that they drive better and slower while slightly high. Perhaps this is because it gets rid of that nervous edge, and makes people less agitated. Agitated drivers, the ones that are in a hurry, are just as bad, in my book, and are the cause of a great many accidents. At any rate, lets just generalize and say it makes you calmer. If pot were legal, do you feel you should be allowed to ride high at USEF horse shows? Why should we allow a drug that gives riders a calming edge when we wouldn't allow one for horses? Of course, horses can't choose to take a drug or not, but who knows- maybe a few would like a little "cocktail" before a class? Windsucking horses are essentially drug addicts- they sit there and crib/suck wind until they get a rush from the hyperventilation. But personally, I don't think a lot of teenagers (or minors in general) can choose any more than horses- they really have very little idea of the consequences of their actions because they have no perspective. And believe me, if someone had told me that when I was a teenager, I would have argued with them until I was blue in the face about how wise and worldly I was. But that's the thing about being a teenager, it's like being in a forest- you don't realize how dark and thick and tangled it all was until you are out of it. But I digress- those of you that would like pot legalized, should it be allowed at horse shows? At the Olympics? Where do you draw the line? What if I wanted to ride drunk, or huff paint before my round? And what are your views on horse drugging then? I'm not being antagonistic, I'm genuinely curious.

3) Regarding legalization of marijuana in general, put this question to yourself. Is it right, ethically, for the government to legalize a substance that has been shown to be carcenogenic, affect long-term memory loss, contribute to early onset of Alzheimers and arthritis, as well as a potential gateway drug for those with addictive personalities, just to gain the extra tax revenue? Yes, both alcohol and cigarettes have been shown to have as many adverse health problems and they're legal, but let's leave them out of this. They're grandfathered in- by the time their negative effects were known they already had way too much special-interest dollars behind them to illegalize them without a giant fight (prohibition and cigarette class-action suits are cases in point). If you want to campaign to outlaw alcohol and tobacco, I'm sure you will find plenty of people that will support you. But we're not talking about those drugs. My question is is it right for the government to legalize a substance known to be harmful, just so they can profit? Shouldn't the government have other roles besides collecting taxes? Don't they have a responsibility to protect the people, particularly from things that affect personal judgment or could possibly lead to the increase of harder drugs and thus a bigger burden on society? Once again, not playing devil's advocate- I am genuinely curious. Just please don't say "well if it's legal, it's my choice whether to smoke or not- it doesn't affect you", because the minute someone else is killed in a car crash where the driver was high, or a baby is born with defects because her mother smoked (marijuana), or a smoker moves on to harder, illegal drugs, or the old smoker has to be put in a nursing home at the public's expense, etc. etc., it doesn't affect just you. It's fine to want to legalize it, that's your right, just consider all the consequences in your argument.

And #2 is my main question, because this is a horse BB, after all. Erin's being pretty tolerant. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor

[This message was edited by bigbay on Feb. 24, 2004 at 01:27 PM.]

L'histoire
Feb. 24, 2004, 10:20 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Netherlands - where you can buy weed in government run coffee shops - have one of the lowest rates of marijuana use in the western world? It seems to me in Europe, where there are seemingly more liberal views on some things (ie, sex - you don't have to jump through hoops to get birth control as a young(er) female & they're not mandating abstinance only education), they have less problems of a certain type than we do. Drug use, teenage pregnancy, etc.

Throw the book at people who are driving high. Hell, in this country, throw the book at drunk drivers, too - I don't think the penalties for driving under the influence of ANYTHING are harsh enough. When people who are under the age of 21 can drive drunk, get caught, and have little more happen than losing their liscence for 6 months - well, so much for 'zero tolerance' http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

How well is the war on drugs going? I can go to DC and find people - in spades! - to purchase any substance my little heart desires. I am not comfortable with the idea that prisons are kicking out violent offenders to make way for people caught with weed in this era of mandatory minimums & severely overcrowded prison systems.

I would suggest picking up a copy of 'Reefer Madness' - Schlosser's discussion of illegal migrant workers in the strawberry fields was more interesting to me than his section on weed, but it was interesting nonetheless.

Vandy
Feb. 24, 2004, 10:26 AM
L'Histoire, couldn't agree with you more http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Some more good sources of information for those interested in marijuana law/reform:
Families Against Mandatory Minimums (http://www.famm.org/index2.htm)
Common Sense for Drug Policy (http://www.csdp.org/about.htm)

stop4
Feb. 24, 2004, 10:29 AM
This summer I went to Amsterdam and I was always asking the people at teh hotel desk about marijuana use there. They all said it wasn't a problem, people would get off from work and go smoke a joint and then go home.

It's like binge drinking isn't popular in Europe because they can always drink... in America its hard to get alcohal and its against the rules so as soon as you get alcohal you get really drunk. I think lowering the drinking age might have some immediate bad side effects but in the long term it would reduce the problems of binge drinking.

Maybe if pot became legal (like Canada is doing) it wouldn't be as popular... more people would smoke but the regular smoker would smoke less.

At the regular A shows I don't think it should be illegal to ride high, just like its not illegal to ride drunk. But the smart choice would to be to not ride really high just like its the smart choice to ride drunk.

I never ever ride high b/c I get too paranoid but if someone chooses to ride high that should be up to them and their trainer about wether or not it would be problematic or irrelavent if they were to ride high.

L'histoire
Feb. 24, 2004, 10:47 AM
Vandy, those are fascinating websites - I have to get out to some fieldwork for my Historic Preservation classes this afternoon (boo!) & then get down with John Calvin & some predestination action - but I bookmarked both of them for some later reading material.

Don't know if you saw my PT, but the SO leaves for detox tomorrow - didn't think I would EVER be excited (perhaps not the right word - but close!) about something like DETOX, but I'm relieved & very happy. Hopefully things will be looking up - very soon!

Vandy
Feb. 24, 2004, 11:14 AM
L'histoire - I did reply to your last PT but for some reason my PT is still showing you as last poster though mine is up there (?!) Anyway, check out those websites when you have time, really interesting stuff!

L'histoire
Feb. 24, 2004, 11:24 AM
Oops - I see it now! Strange, my PTs are doing the same thing!

I will definitely be perusing those sites when I have time - 'Reefer Madness' made me go http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif (not as bad as 'Fast Food Nation', though!), made me think about stuff I'd really never thought about before - the author is apparently working on a book on the US prison system, I look forward to reading THAT!

Thorne
Feb. 24, 2004, 06:28 PM
oOhhh fun, im actually in the thick of a really good thread about drugs on a horsey website, what could be better? Anyways, since i think I was the first person to bring up the legalization idea (damn there goes that short term memory again), it is a personal pleasure to satiate big bays curiousity.
1. I 100% agree that angry/anxious drivers are just as bad as stoned ones. I cannot say that I do not drive "high", but the entire process I go through checking and rechecking everything over and over again before I even start the car, let alone get out the door when high, usually lessens it to some degree just based on time alone. (whew that was a long sentence!) I agree that most stoned drivers can become far more contented behind the wheel, which could make it difficult in quick somewhat freak situations (kid runs out chasing a ball), but when something is a constant (traffic on the freeway) you have a better ability to manage yourself. You also are typically contented in any situation so therefore traffic doesnt bother you as much either, eliminating roadrage. Anyone can be stumbling high/drunk on anything. I used to get lightheaded on cigarettes. I think it is a broad statement to make that if you have seen one person high you have seen them all. I do believe that the government should develope a better test to see if a person is really so blitzed they shouldnt be driving, but then actions will usually tell the tale also. My mom was also in amsterdam last fall and found the setting to be marvelous. Because everyone is so tolerant, its not taboo, therefor there is also no thrill from it. She told me how the crime rate was next to nothing, no locking your car door, no shutting your windows while out. She loved it. Not my personal opinion, though Im sure if I experienced I would feel the same way, but another testimony for amsterdam.

2. Should you ride high at horse shows? (I am excluding at home because there it is your horse, your facility, your trainer, and your friends at risk, not innocent bystanders) I do believe the calming affect brought on by marijuana might provide a usefull tool, just like someone drinking a cocktail would if alcohol was their thing. Do I agree that it shouldn't be allowed at horse shows where you are potentially putting others in danger? Probably not, just like driving. Do I think that people still knock back a couple tall ones before hopping on? Sure, I know it happens. Do I think some people show while high? Maybe, and if they pull it off then what is the harm? In my personal experience in the few times I have ridden high, I am either really lazy, or more fluid with my horse than I have ever been. I rememeber riding a three year old, that I was scared to death of, while high, and my worries just melted. This is a big Mother of a horse but I think the fact that I got on him, confident and content with life just transfered on to him. We had a great lesson where he bucked once and I rode his neck for three strides and calmly squished my but back into the saddle and cantered on. I agree that many people can learn to go with their high, but its not for everyone, and not everyone is as reasponsible with it as I KNOW I AM. With that said I have never ridden at a horse show stoned.
3. Well you eliminated the number one argument that if you can do this then why can't you do that? I agree that more tolerant societys tend to actually lessen the use of marijuana and other substances so why not follow their lead? I think that help should be just as readily avaliable. I also think prostitution should be legal, because hey if you want to provide a service for money why not? Atleast then you can regulate and monitor it better. My biggest thing is that the government should not monitor a persons morals. Just because I wouldn't partake in it, doesnt mean that someone else shouldn't be able too. As long as it isn't hurting someone else then it should be ok. Ok second hand smoke? Well for starters I think regulations on smoking in public areas in general are doing a pretty good job. If you are a kid and live with a smoker, Im sorry, you have very little control over the situation. But for the most part second hand smoke is avoidable. I know that when I go on the road and share a hotel room I always make sure that the other person is OK with my habits. If they are OK with them but don't want to partake in the second hand smoking I am respectful of that and won't smoke near or around them. I don't think it is a question of is it morally right to make money off something that potentially harms the population, but is the money getting spent anyways and why don't we regulate it more?

I hope this makes sense, Im a little baked! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

edited because I was most deffinately high, please excuse the common missuse of there, their, or they're

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[This message was edited by Thorne on Feb. 24, 2004 at 09:54 PM.]

PatsyStone
Feb. 24, 2004, 06:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by L'histoire:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Netherlands - where you can buy weed in government run coffee shops - have one of the lowest rates of marijuana use in the western world? It seems to me in Europe, where there are seemingly more liberal views on some things (ie, sex - you don't have to jump through hoops to get birth control as a young(er) female & they're not mandating abstinance only education), they have less problems of a certain type than we do. Drug use, teenage pregnancy, etc.

Throw the book at people who are driving high. Hell, in this country, throw the book at drunk drivers, too - I don't think the penalties for driving under the influence of ANYTHING are harsh enough. When people who are under the age of 21 can drive drunk, get caught, and have little more happen than losing their liscence for 6 months - well, so much for 'zero tolerance' http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

How well is the war on drugs going? I can go to DC and find people - in spades! - to purchase any substance my little heart desires. I am not comfortable with the idea that prisons are kicking out violent offenders to make way for people caught with weed in this era of mandatory minimums & severely overcrowded prison systems.

I would suggest picking up a copy of 'Reefer Madness' - Schlosser's discussion of illegal migrant workers in the strawberry fields was more interesting to me than his section on weed, but it was interesting nonetheless.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The war on drugs is dead, darling...

.....BTW- the last bug that bit me was sent to the betty ford clinic. So I think I know about drugs.

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You only work in a shop, you know. You can drop the attitude.

bigbay
Feb. 24, 2004, 07:10 PM
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Sorry big Bay but i have to rebuttle to this...the very next day I made my post on pot, i got pulled over for the first time. I WAS under the influence and i was doing 85 in a 55. I think the cop thought I was crying cuz of my eyes being bloodshot and glazed but I got off w/ out even a warning???! I had my stash right next to me, my car was baked out and I couldnt put a sentence together. MOP...theres a FINE LINE between law enforcement and law breaking...and maybe cops are just used to drunk drivers, not blazed drivers?? hehehe!
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um, didn't you just say this?

My reply: yes i did but i had smoked an above normal ammount for me that day...but hey who cares, i'm stoned as we speak and i was stoned when i wrote it http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I submit the above post in its entirety as evidence why it's not a good idea to post under the influence. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

"The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor

stop4
Feb. 24, 2004, 09:08 PM
HAHA Im so high I can't even figure out what that is talking about...But since yall were high when you wrote that I probably couldnt understand it if I were straight either.

JEP
Feb. 24, 2004, 10:03 PM
In response to the question of whether individuals should be able to "ride high" at horse shows, were pot to be legalized...

At the Olympics? Probably not-if they can crack down on competitors using drugs as "soft" as cough medicine, I can't imagine that they'd ever be willing to permit something that was a controlled substance so recently...so I guess I think it's kind of a moot point.

At regular A shows? You bet your butt they should be allowed to show/ride high. I think it is every individual's responsibility to know his or her limits and choose to be in whatever "state" he/she feels will offer him/her the greatest chance of success.

I don't think it's any different than the "liquid courage" shots that have been passed around the ingate prior to some of the big pro classes.

There are plenty of riders who perform their best "under the influence", to some degree, and if that makes them feel more comfortable, more power to them. (Alright, please don't attack me, it's just my opinion).

Ever seen Holly Shepherd at a horse show? No one here can begin to argue that she is anything but an extraordinarily competent and incredibly talented rider...and yes, she has a beer in her hand a lot of the time-and judging by her riding, I wouldn't say it's caused too many problems for her. Every person has to know what works for him/her...

I know plenty of GP riders and trainers who spark a bowl throughout the day b/c it relaxes them; it's part of their routine. They know what they're doing, and they're having fun doing it. A really great (GP) rider that shows one of my babies is high most of the time he's on him-and he rides him softly, correctly, and with loads of respect every time he's on the horses back. My horse has had nothing but wonderful, confidence building experiences every time this rider takes him in the ring-if the pot is helping him achieve that, well then I'm all for it.

fleur
Feb. 25, 2004, 06:55 AM
the reason i wouldn't show high--how embarrassing would it be to forget your course mid-round? i can totally see that happening to me http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

stop4
Feb. 25, 2004, 08:56 AM
I would have the hugest panic attack if I rode high, it would make me nervouse instead of calm! I'm off to drive back home now, (2 hours) and bake out my car on the way! hahaha

the eleven
Feb. 25, 2004, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tosca4711:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandstone:

fleur- your so right! alcohal makes people so much stupider then smoking!

when you get really drunk you'll do anything because you don't care but when you are high you have more control over what you do. How many people get drunk and hook up with someone they wouldn't have? or gotten hurt because they were falling all over the place? Stuff like that doesn't really happen when your high.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have been sober and watched people who were high on pot. They are not sensible. They are silly. I was approached on the subway by two girls who were higher than a kite, and asked if I had any pot to sell. They were giggling like crazy, and falling all over the place. I shudder to think that they might have had control of a car.
Tosca<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they were acting like that then they probably don't smoke very often.

Sometimes we live no particular way but our own -Grateful Dead

bigbay
Feb. 25, 2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandstone:
I'm off to drive back home now, (2 hours) and bake out my car on the way! hahaha<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

"The acoustics at Tanglewood in Lenox, MA, are so good that when Bob Dylan plays here you can understand every word he sings." -Garrison Keillor

BO DA COUS
Mar. 10, 2004, 08:49 PM
OH!!!!!!! You meant illegal drugs http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

messed that one up then can I revote?

Cowboy Up Y'all

Seahorsefarmtobe
Mar. 11, 2004, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bigbay:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by luvmytrakehnerwb:
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I think the cop thought I was crying cuz of my eyes being bloodshot and glazed but I got off w/ out even a warning???! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I doubt the cop thought you'd been crying...they ARE trained to notice pupil dialation and recognize when someone is under the influence of ANYTHING...I think perhaps you just got lucky! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif
And what the hell does "bake my car out" mean? I can't even get close to figuring that one out...musta lost my hipness http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stop4
Mar. 11, 2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by seahorsefarms:
And what the hell does "bake my car out" mean? I can't even get close to figuring that one out...musta lost my hipness http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

it means fill it up with smoke http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

LimoWrek
Mar. 11, 2004, 10:35 AM
So, 17% of COTH has tried cocaine.

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Whitney doesn't do crack... Crack is cheap!

Seahorsefarmtobe
Mar. 11, 2004, 10:44 AM
Sandstone, thanks for cluing me in!

CuteHunter
Mar. 11, 2004, 11:32 AM
Wow, this actually is a really interesting thread. I smoke weed on a daily basis, have tried shrooms and have tried coke (mixed in a cocoa puff joint)- and, have also been drunk on several occasions. I can categorically tell you that I am in way better control of myself and my actions while stoned, then while drunk. Those who smoke will know that it is not that hard to stop yourself from being high - like one poster said you can let your mind go with the high or not.

As far as driving high - i have, my friends have and to be honest, I dont really know how I feel about it. I am hearing the arguments made against it and yet I know when I am in the car with someone who is driving stoned while I am sober, I dont feel like its a problem at all. There are levels to being high (just like you can be buzzed or hammered when you drink and its not the same depending on how drunk you are) and I think if you take a couple hits and drive, you are probably fine. Personally I wouldnt ride high for no particular reason other than it doesnt sound fun to me and Im really lazy while high.

Sandstone- just to clarify, they are only thinking about decriminalizing weed in Canada not making it legal- the point being that if you get caught with 30grams or less, you would be ticketed instead of charged with a crime (in Canada, there are only crimes - not felonies versus misdeamenors so if you get caught with weed now, you have a pretty serious offence on your record). But I agree with you and Fleur - legalizing weed is a good idea not just because of the cash revenue but policing it is wasting time. America's war on drugs is missing the point- you dont want to worry about me, Sandstone and Fleur (and others) who have a couple joints worth of weed on them - you want to worry about the drug lords who proliferating the harder drugs. That's what Canada is trying to do - to seperate teh real criminals from the people who smoke safely for their own enjoyment.

One last point in this marathon post - an example of why weed is safer than alcohol. This summer in Toronto we had a huge concert called Sarstock which for those who dont know featured the Stones, ACDC, Guess Who and so on. Weed was flat out allowed- I was personally patted down, the security guard asked what was in my pocket, I said weed, he said fine. The person behind me had to leave all their alcohol with the security guards. This event with around 600,000 people in the crowd had NO fights, NO violence NO problems - do you really think the same thing would have happened if everyoen had been hammered instead of high? (if you do, how do you account for the almst daily fights you see in bars?)

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