Another buckskin filly... PG 7 with photos

[Faiths CremelloWB]

He arrived April 3rd at 11:00pm. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We are very proud of this little one as he is the first foal by our stallion, "Mirabeau". The dam is Bobbyascot Bobby who is a Canadian Warmblood approved TB. Very quick delivery, about 10 minutes from the times she went down. And the placenta and all came out in one shot http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

It's a Palomino colt with a hind sock and star. He is so cute and full of energy. He has been up for the last 2 hours walking/trotting around and will just not lie down to rest. I will post photos in the AM.

We are still awaiting another mare, who is 10 days over due, and in foal to Mirabeau as well. Doing the buckskin dance for that one, but we will be happy with a healthy filly?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<<Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses>>

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[Faiths CremelloWB]

He arrived April 3rd at 11:00pm. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We are very proud of this little one as he is the first foal by our stallion, "Mirabeau". The dam is Bobbyascot Bobby who is a Canadian Warmblood approved TB. Very quick delivery, about 10 minutes from the times she went down. And the placenta and all came out in one shot http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

It's a Palomino colt with a hind sock and star. He is so cute and full of energy. He has been up for the last 2 hours walking/trotting around and will just not lie down to rest. I will post photos in the AM.

We are still awaiting another mare, who is 10 days over due, and in foal to Mirabeau as well. Doing the buckskin dance for that one, but we will be happy with a healthy filly?? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

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[aurum]

April many congrats on the first Mirabeau baby! I hope to see pictures soon!

Gwendolyn
http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de
Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

***Jealousy is the sincerest form of flattery - Maas J. Hell ***

[sprucie]

Congratulations! We need pictures.

Jodie LaForge
Spruce Hill Farm
http://www.sprucehillfarm.net

[pintofoal]

Congrats photo please!

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com) Warmblood Pintos

[miraclewelsh]

Congratulations!! We'll look forward to photos!

****************************
Miracle Welsh Ponies & Cobs
Phelps, Wisconsin
http://www.miraclewelsh.com

[Spot]

Hey congrats my friend! That is great news!

maybe you can start getting a few hours of sleep now! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Here is picture # 1 of the little darling

"Spot"

[Spot]

and number 2 picture

"Spot"

[Spot]

and the third picture of him

"Spot"

[Spot]

and the 4th and last picture and my favorite of him! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

He is SO gorgeous looking!

"Spot"

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Thanks guys & Spot for posting the photos... Ohhh he is such a cutie. Those photos were between birth and two hours old... Will get some new ones today to put up here and on our website...

I did purchase a Premium membership but still can not seem to post photos?? Does it take a day for the membership to go through?

Back to the foaling monitor to watch him sleep...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

Awww, he is a great big bundle of cuteness! Congratulations!

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Amy
Cute as a Bugsear (Bugs) 1986 JC OTTTB (Isella x Annie Somebody)
Pippen (Frodo) 2003 ATA Anglo Trakehner (Paramoure x Cute as a Bugsear)

[arnika]

Congratulations he is adorable with the most beautiful face. I dearly love palominos.

Oh yes, it does take a day or two to be able to post pics.

[atom]

Congratulations April. He is very beautiful and you must be very proud. Good Luck with him and best wishes,

Mandy

[Silver Sport Horses]

CONGRATULATIONS!!! He's beautiful.

Monique

www.MeadowViewFarm.com (http://www.MeadowViewFarm.com)
Palomino & Creme Colored Warmblood X Sport Horses

~ Try to do the best you can with what you have. Some are further along in their journey than others. Don't loose hope or faith in yourself because sometimes you are the stepping stone for others & sometimes you get to take a step. ~

[hopepintos]

WOW, what a cutie!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Congrats on such a nice foal... can't wait to see the rest of your foals by Mirabeau & Arts Aero too. Are you planning on keeping this colt?

[graystonefarm]

What a lovely foal! Congrats!

Sherry White
Graystone Farm Sporthorses
www.graystonefarm.com (http://www.graystonefarm.com)

[TKR]

Congratulations! Your foal arrived on our wedding anniversary (22 years)!
PSG

[Twinkletozzz]

Congratulations, what a cutie patootie he's got. Thanks for sharing!

[Norsire]

Congrats! I wish I could have seen the photos...they were so dark on my puter that I can not even make him out..darn! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

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[Faiths CremelloWB]

Thanks everyone... we are in loffff... I have forgot how much fun babies are. 1 down 5 more to go.

Today was his first day outside and we have added some photos of it to the foals page of our website. It was cold and windy but the sun was shinning http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

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[Faiths CremelloWB]

Just had my membership go through so now I can post photos of our newest addition...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

and another...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

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[Faiths CremelloWB]

These were taken from his first day outside... Mommy was happy to get out and show him off...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Last one... a cute head shot.. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Spot]

Awww ... he's so adorable and what a lovely mover too! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Too bad your new moms dont love you http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif and they are going to sell you http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

How could they be so MEAN to you when you're only a few days old!?

Have they hung the "For Sale" sign around your neck yet? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"Spot"

[sketcher]

Congratulations! He is a cutie http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Faiths CremelloWB]

And now our second has arrived... 2 weeks over due but well worth the wait. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif She (yes she) is exactly what we were praying for!!! A Beautiful Buckskin Filly!!! I know these photos are a bit dark but they are what we have until tomorrow when they go outside... She is a precious little angel... This one will not be for sale... she is staying right here with us http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Now we can finally get some good sleep until the next 4 are due starting at the beginning of May. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

And here is a second photo... The sire is the same as the colt above... Mirabeau... Going back out to watch her http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

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http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[miraclewelsh]

Congratulations!! How wonderful to get exactly what you were hoping for!!

Enjoy her!

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Miracle Welsh Ponies & Cobs
Phelps, Wisconsin
http://www.miraclewelsh.com

[showjumpers66]

Congrats on both of your colored foals!

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/)

[LaurieB]

Congratulations on both arrivals! How nice to get exactly what you wanted. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Nikita]

A big congratulations on both of your new arrivals! They are simply gorgeous http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif and both definitely worth the long wait. I'd love to come and see them if my %@$# mare ever foals.

"He's a nice horse, he's just a little special in the head."

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Very sad update... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The filly was born strong and healthy up and nursed quickly... However the dam was very colicky shortly after. Long story and day but we finally decided to let her go as she was in so much pain, and from what our vet said was a ruptured bowl which was causing internal bleeding. I am completly a mess while I am writing this. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I felt so bad for her. We kept her going as long as we could to get the Colostrum to the foal but we could see her pain was so bad that we let her head over to the other side. She was such a great mom to all the foals we had from her and she will be greatly missed.

Now if anyone has notes/pointers on raising an Orphan we would love any and all help... You can e-mail us at postmaster@blazingcoloursfarm.com

Rest In Peace Joey http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

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[Fairview Horse Center]

So so sorry to hear of your loss.

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[Hexel]

Oh I'm so sorry, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif what heartache http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif. Lots of hugs.

[showjumpers66]

I am sorry to hear that!

I have had two orphan foals. Both were very good about learning to drink from a bucket and it was simply a matter of giving them a fresh bucket every four hours. I had a pony live with them until they were old enough to go out with the mares (about 3 months of age).

Quantum Leap Farm (http://www.quantumleapfarm.com/)

[Nikita]

I am so very sorry! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I don't know how much I can do right at the moment but let me know if I can help.
{{{{{Hugs}}}}}

"He's a nice horse, he's just a little special in the head."

[Silly Mommy]

First of all, I am very sorry for your loss.

Secondly, will the other mare take on 2???

Thirdly, I'm sure Fred would be a good resource for orphan stuff.

Most people who go around fanning the flames of crises are themselves the problem.

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[Nikita]

Silly Mommy... I've been thinking about your number two ever since I read this. I have a mare that should be foaling any time now (I know, famous last words but she started waxing almost 2 weeks ago and started dripping milk yesterday). How tough would it be to have two foals in the stall at birth time? Has anybody ever done this? The fluid and placenta could be rubbed on the second foal as well. She did allow a second foal to nurse off of her a couple of years ago - not intentionally. Spot's filly was weaned a couple of months before my colt and we left her with Auntie Liz and Vegas. She started nursing off my mare and the mare didn't care. I don't know how big a difference it made that the mare knew the filly well. This mare LOVES being a mom. And Faiths Cremellow is only about 10 minutes away from me.

Anyway, just a thought, can anyone shed any light on whether it's a good one or not?

"He's a nice horse, he's just a little special in the head."

[fullmoon fever]

I'm so sorry to hear about the loss of your mare.

If you need colostrum, I have a supply of frozen that you can have. I am near Newmarket, Ontario.

I have had 2-3 foals nurse off one mare (actually, there were 6 foals, 3 mares and whoever lined up ate). It can be done fairly easily if the mare is good about it. I'm sorry my QH mare isn't ready; she milks like a Holstein cow and accepts anything.

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[Bugs-n-Frodo]

I am so sorry for your loss. All I can do is send {{{hugs}}}. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Amy
Cute as a Bugsear (Bugs) 1986 JC OTTTB (Isella x Annie Somebody)
Pippen (Frodo) 2003 ATA Anglo Trakehner (Paramoure x Cute as a Bugsear)

[graystonefarm]

I'm so very sorry for the loss of your mare. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

The 2 on 1 is a very good suggestion if the mare will allow it.

Good luck and best wishes. Keep us updated.

Sherry White
Graystone Farm Sporthorses
www.graystonefarm.com (http://www.graystonefarm.com)

[Everythingbutwings]

So sorry, I went through that in 2000 and have a healthy 4 year old to show that you can make it. Fred went through it with Robby Johnson's beautiful mare, too.

There was a topic recently with many resources listed for orphan foals. I'll do a search but there are links to useful info on Little Orphan Maddie's Site (http://www.clutter.com/maddie).

http://www.cyberfoal.com is a good site for raising orphans.

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[Spot]

Oh April - I am SO damned sorry, http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I dont know what to say. Poor Joey - she is in a better place right now, and her poor little filly too. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

She'll be fine April - might be an idea to take Nikita up on her suggestion if her mare foals in the next day or so, otherwise there are SO many successfully raised bucket babies - Ti Amo, RFF El Dorado, RFF's buckskin filly, etc

What a horrible blow. I am so sorry ...

Donna

[sprucie]

Condolences on your loss. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

I just remebered a website that shows how to use an igloo cooler to feed the foal, http://www.shortassets.com/igloo.htm. Hope that helps.

Jodie LaForge
Spruce Hill Farm
http://www.sprucehillfarm.net

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[Norsire]

Sorry for your loss! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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[hansiska]

So sorry to hear this news.

I too have raised an orphan foal. If you can get her nursing from another mare, do it. You can supplement both with a bucket (not bottle!) of milk replacer. The important thing is socialization. Orphans have trouble with boundaries, space, and interactions with humas and horses generally -- or at least they CAN.... You nip this in the bud by getting a surrogate "momma" in there to show her the ropes.

Feel free to email me. Hang in there!

[Zydeco Farm]

Faiths, so sorry. Will keep you and yours in my prayers. I'm so glad you got that filly you were hoping for--Joey's gift to you!

[Fred]

I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your mare, that is so heartbreaking. If Nikita's mare would accept both foals that would be great (although I think you would still have to supplement the milk)
in the meantime, yes, I have had to bottle raise a foal twice, and both were very successful.
There is a company in Cambridge on Savage Rd, off Franklin, that manufactures Foal Milk Replacer (as well as other milk replacers) . It is cheaper than foal lac and much more palatable - They sell it in bags for about $70 and a bag will last you about 5 days. I feed MUCH more frequently than the bag suggests, basically every time the foal stands up in the early days, and then every hour in the day time, and every two hours through the night. If you can get baby to drink from a bucket, that will be a lifesaver.. but you still have to do it very frequently because the milk spoils so quickly..
YOU CAN DO IT! Has the foals blood been checked? otherwise you may need plasma which you can pick up in Guelph.
If you don't have a nurse mare, you will need some benign companion. A female goat is ideal, often they will let the baby nurse, but they are company and won't hurt the baby. I have a pony mare you can borrow, she was Ti Amo's baby sitter.
here is my email address snwgoose@allstream.net
and my phone number 519 756 5803 - I am in Brantford, not that far away..
I will try to find the name and number of the milk replacer company.. in the meantime, your vet will have foal lac, and some of the feed stores will have a foal milk replacer (caution here, make sure it is foal milk replacer)..in a pinch you can use goat milk, - this is readily availble in grocery stores.
In trying to get the foal to nurse from a bottle, use a human baby bottle, and cut the nipple hole a bit larger, when the baby gets bigger, the baby bottle won't hold enough, we used a presidents choice plastic water bottle, the baby bottle nipple fit on top...
Even when the baby got to drink from a bucket, I still bottle fed him a few times a day early on, because (just my theory) I thought the sucking motion was good for him,and it was good for him to feel warmth and closeness....
don't play with him at all when he eats, just feed him, let him stand close to you.
and good luck
I am more than willing to help, so call me..
xo Gail

[Spot]

I just found a TB mare that has just lost her foal and sent the info to April and Tasha.

Having never been involved in something like this before, what is the protocol for introducing a foal to a new mare to avoid having the new mare hurt the foal? Do they all, in time, accept them totally if the proper steps are followed? Or - do some NEVER accept a foal if it isnt their own?

What steps do you follow to try and ensure the best and most successful pairings?

Or - if you have a lot of value in the foal, is it worth the possible risk and do you simply let it buddy up with a goat or a pony and bucket feed it so it doesnt get hurt?

Im sure that we would all appreciate hearing from those that have gone through this in the past.

"Spot"

[talloaks]

I'm so very sorry to hear of your loss, with the birth of a new little one there is pain and sometimes the pain is so great as with the loss of the dam. My wishes are that this little one will do well and be very special to you and her dam will live on in her (I think it was a filly) Be thankful that you didn't loose the foal also and I hope and jingle that you will have an easy time getting the foal accepted by another mare. Keep on, keeping on!!!

"There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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[Everythingbutwings]

From GWRanch: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Getting a nurse mare to accept your little stranger as her own offspring sometimes takes a little work. A mare with a full udder often will welcome a hungry foal more readily, and many breeders find it helps to make the foal smell a little more like her, by rubbing his coat with the mare's sweat, milk, or even manure. Alternatively, you can short-circuit the olfactory response on a temporary basis by rubbing a mentholated ointment, such as Vick's Vaporub, in the mare's nostrils and on the foal's head and perianal areas.

Still, you might find that you have to restrain the mare at first until the foal has nursed long enough for her to become familiar with him (usually within 24 hours). Tie the mare in her stall, offer her hay or grain to distract her, and consider placing a bar or pole along her side, at about flank height, from the front to the back of the stall, to prevent her from kicking the foal or her handlers. Some farms even create stocks with solid wooden barriers and a hole cut to allow the foal to nurse, but such steps aren't often necessary. She might initially squeal and threaten to kick or bite the orphaned arrival, but a healthy, hungry foal will not be easily discouraged, and once he manages to latch on, most mares will relax. (Resist the temptation to tranquilize the mare, however. The drug can be passed in the milk and accidentally sedate the foal, reducing his efforts to nurse.)

Observe the nurse mare and her new charge closely for a few days. Once acceptance has occurred, you gradually can remove the restraints on the mare and let them proceed as Nature intended
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GWRanch - Feeding the Orphan Foal (http://gwranch.users.ixpres.com/feeding_an_orphan_foal.htm)

HorseTalk (nz) experiences with an orphan foal (http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/fea/orphan.shtml)

From The Invaluable Nurse Mare (http://www.washingtonthoroughbred.com/Magazine/Jan%2002_NurseMares.htm)<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Washington’s Nurse Mare Network
We are fortunate to have a nurse mare network in place in Washington.
It all basically began in 1976 when Claudia Canouse’s mare Fighting Heroine died. Her Philately filly was grafted on Mary Lou Griffin’s paint mare. Soon afterwards Rick and Debbie Pabst bought a couple of mares to use specifically as nurse mares. Later the Washington Thoroughbred Farm Managers Association (WTFMA) implemented an official nurse mare program.
While any breed or crossbreed of mare can be used, both Debbie Pabst and Julie McMurry have had the most success using Appaloosa mares, who are generally laid back and have strong maternal instincts. Pabst strongly prefers mares of “light” horse breeding rather than draft or draft-crosses as she feels they give too much milk. Occasionally breeders will be blessed by having a “no graft mare” available. These gem mares will gladly be a surrogate mom to most any foal and are the matrons you see nonchalantly nursing two or three foals out in a field. Pabst has found that “how a mare behaves towards humans is not necessarily a determining factor to how good a nurse mare she will be.”
Recently foaled mares are the most maternal and provide the best opportunity for grafting a young foal. Pabst has had the most success with foals under a month old. One valuable foal grafting tool is a nurse mare gate. This smooth and secure gate (which can be made of wire mesh or wood which has been layered with padding) features a large nursing hole for the foal to reach the mare’s udder while standing safely on the other side of the gate as the two are introduced. (See June 1981 Washington Horse.)
For more information on Washington’s nurse mare network, or if you have a foal in need or mare available, contact either Debbie Pabst (Blue Ribbon Farm, Buckley) at (253) 862-9076 or Nina Hagen (El Dorado Farms, Enumclaw) at (360) 825-7526.
Hagen also maintains the region’s colostrum “bank," which stores and provides this valuable resource for a minimal fee. She currently has about 50 bags in storage for the upcoming breeding season.

Local nurse mare legends
Appaloosa matrons YJ’s Anni Eagle and Sweet Sheik are two of our region’s more famous nurse mares.
The Pabsts’ now retired Anni was honored with a WTFMA lifetime achievement award in early 2000 for having raised 20 Thoroughbred foals in addition to her own 17 babies and the occasional warmblood or paint. Among her surrogate foals was the future stakes-placed filly Farewell Tour. The Pabsts currently have four nurse mares, and that doesn’t include pinch hitter Orphan Kist. The $631,997 multiple Thoroughbred stakes winner unfortunately lost two of her own foals in recent years, but her strong maternal instincts helped her raise the foals of two other mares.
Sweet Sheik, a.k.a. Dixie, was bred and is owned by Julie and Packy McMurry. Dixie is a second generation nurse mare, as her dam Sweetheart, who created her own nurse mare dynasty, was originally purchased by the McMurrys in the 1970s and raised many an orphan foal. In fact, up to three at a time. Woodstead Farm has one of Sweetheart’s daughters, Sunday Sweetheart (by Sunday Guest), as their home nurse mare and Gunshy Manor owns one of her babysitting granddaughters.
In 1984 Sweetheart was one of three test mares bred to Chic Dancer, a stakes-winning Thoroughbred son of Dancing Champ who the McMurrys had raced and had high hopes for at stud. The stallion unfortunately succumbed to racing injuries soon afterwards. The Chic Dancer—Sweetheart filly became known as Dixie and she started life as a show horse for former WTBA staffer Merry Farrington, but later found her true calling as a nurse mare back at the McMurrys’ Enumclaw farm. The breeding policy for nurse mares at Royal Match is to breed the mare to whichever stallion is open at the time. Dixie has had foals by teaser Smokin Tobin, by Majesterian, Country Light, Game Plan and Son of Briartic.
In 1999, Dixie foaled a handsome colt by Son of Briartic that was born with two serious hernias. The first attempt to fix them failed and Dr. John Procter was later called in. He successfully redid the surgery and saved the colt’s life. That chestnut gelding, now named Hes Spotless, has now won three Appaloosa stakes in California, the grade one California Appaloosa Vallejo Futurity at Solano, grade two Classic Futurity at Los Alamitos and, most recently, the grade one Star of Stars Futurity at the same southern California track on December 8. He is the leading money earning juvenile Appy racehorse in North America for 2001.
Julie strongly recommends the use of Appaloosas as nurse mares. First because of their strong maternal instincts and calming effect on the more highly strung horses, but also the added opportunity for their babies to be registered, even without spots. If they happen to be sired by an Appaloosa or another “race breed,” they are eligible to compete at the racetrack.

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Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Thanks everyone. It has been a long night and the filly is doing well. We got Foal-Lac from the vet right after we left his farm with the foal and came home and with-in 10 minutes we had her drinking from a bottle. We sat by the foal monitor all night and every time she got up we went out with the milk and she came trotting over to the door nickering for us and the food. She had several bottles and is doing great.

We are very leary about send her to any other mare as she is all we have left of our mare and we could not handle losing her too. I would not sleep at night knowing that she may get kicked or the foster mom may decide that she has had enough of our precious little filly. So we are going to keep her here with us where we can see her on the monitor any time of day.

We did have a mare lose a foal in November who is stalled beside the filly and is just dying to have her. She screams when ever the filly goes to the far side of the stall and licks her when ever she is close enough. So I think we are going to give the foal a good day to get bottle fed and use to the fact that she is not getting food from a mare then let the two of them be with each other. After all the mare lost a foal and the foal lost a dam so they are close to perfect for each other. And since I know this mare very well I would be comfortable (well mostly comfortable as I will still be nervous) letting the two of them be together. And I can watch them on the monitor.

We will keep you updated... We are praying for the next 12 hours to as good as the last few hours.

Thanks again to everyone and to Spot for the phone call... guess there is not much else I can say... But Thanks...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Draygonfyne]

Faith...I'm so sorry to hear of the loss of your mare. Please keep us posted as to how the little one does....

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[hansiska]

Faiths CWB, this sounds like an ideal situation for both this mare and the foal. You might even talk to your vet about inducing lactation in this mare.

Good luck!

[jilltx]

I am so sorry for your terrible loss! THoughts and prayers coming your way from Texas.

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[carosello]

IM so sorry for your loss. Its sounds like the foal is very strong & smart though so that is a big plus on your side!

[Sporthorse South]

I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your mare. I agree with Carosello, the foal sounds like a fighter and hopefully your plans to put it with the "auntie" mare will work out. Best of luck!

[can't re-]

I am so sorry for the loss of your mare.

Keep us posted on how the foal and mare get along. Sounds like the mare is a big sweetie and can't wait to mother the foal.

[Sportpony]

I am so sorry to hear about the mare but think the option of the companion mare may be very helpful.

As a side note, I have had a mare that would allow a foal to nurse at any point in time and would actually come into milk. I only discovered this when I had her out to babysit a weanling filly that I had purchased, she allowed the filly to nurse ... developed milk ... and I had to wean the filly again.

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[norshire]

I am very sorry to hear about your loss.

I hope that your filly grows into a beautiful mare

[Txracer]

I'm so sorry about the mare. Geeze. We went through the same thing a year ago. Our TB mare coliced and died leaving us with a three week old filly.

Were you able to collect from the mare at all? Did the filly nurse at all? If yes to either you are at least ahead of the curve. We spent a lot of money on Foal Lac milk replacer and followed the package instructions as to volume and frequency of feedings. I will say that we probably fed more than listed but the little filly would suck the bottom out of the bucket. We never could get our filly to take a bottle but she was just fine with the bucket and the bucket is easier.

At about four months we started adding the Foal Lac pellets to her daily grain and slowing started weaning her from the milk. Hi Jinksey is now a big, beautiful yearling. It was worth the midnight feedings and stress. My husband and I loved the baby's dam so much we were determined not to lose her last foal.

The very best of luck to you - you can do this.

[Nancy!]

I am so sorry to hear about your mare. It sounds like you may have a solution with your other mare.

Try and get some rest yourself. It is going to be a long haul.

Nancy!

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[pegasus209]

How heartbreaking http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif
I'm so sorry to hear about your mare..

the foals are absolutely stunning, congrats on your beautiful babies. It sounds like the little gal is in great hands, and she sounds like a fighter too. Very best wishes for them, and a giant hug for you.

Don't forget to give yourself some tlc too.
{{HUGS}}

[Fred]

hi again
the milk replacer company is called Grober, and it is located in Cambridge. They normally only sell to the dealers, but I bought directly from them when I was feeding TiAmo - and it was much more economical than Foal Lac, (and in my opinion, tastes better!) - I found the foals accepted it better too. You are going to go through a LOT.
the phone # at Grober is 519 622 2500 ask for the order desk. They will want to bill it to a credit card.
It is not that far from me, and I would be happy to go with you the first time to help you find it..
just give me a call.
good luck.

[hansiska]

I haven't yet found an article for you, but I did find this abstract of a paper Dr. Peter Daels gave at the annual Society of Theriogenology conference in 2002:

"Lactation can be induced using a combination of estradiol, progesterone & sulpiride. Mares with induced lactation have adopted & nursed a foal until weaning age with normal maternal behavioral. Adoption can be realized with 2 hours & without aggressive behavior using an adoption protocol aimed at maximizing oxytocin secretion."

Good Luck!

[hansiska]

Here's a link to an article on feeding the orphan foal (http://gwranch.users.ixpres.com/feeding_an_orphan_foal.htm) on the GW Ranch website that you might find helpful.

[2Dogs]

I am so sorry for your loss! Here's hoping (and jingling) that the other mare will take her on.

"Her life was okay. Sometimes she wished she were sleeping with the right man instead of with her dog, but she never felt she was sleeping with the wrong dog".
Judith Collas

[Esprit]

I posted this on EMG for you as well, I hope all goes well for you...

Just spoke with OVC, contact Carson's Farm in Listowel - 519-291-2079 - they apparently always have Nurse Mares (Clydesdales). Good Luck.

Jingles for the little filly without a mom...RIP Joey.

http://www.fieldstone-farm.com

[Riven]

I'm so sorry. I'm jingling for you and your baby

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[Horsaholic]

So sorry about your mare http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif I am jingling very hard here in CA for your filly and for you too...

[crestline]

So sorry to hear about your mare!

I would try and graft your foal...they seem to be so much better behaved in the end...if the open mare will take her I would be tempted to try inducing her into milk...the foal will probably nurse and stimulate her for you and that should help.

Also...we grafted an orphan onto a foaling mare and so did a friend of mine. Ours took more time but worked super in the end...My friends vet recommended lightly sedating the orphan so he can be in the stall as the foal is born but easy to manage. When the foal is born rub the orphan in the placenta and amnionic fluid. Let the newborn nurse his fill of colostrum and then, as the orphan gets more alert let him nurse too. Their grafting went without a hitch. I think I would watch really ,really close for the first week to make sure all is well....

Good luck!

Andrea Clibborn-Anderson
www.crestlinefarm.com (http://www.crestlinefarm.com)
Home of Pinto Dutch Warmblood Palladio

[Hampa]

So sorry to hear about the loss of your mare. There are many nurse mare services out there available as an option for your foal.

[Nikita]

Just checking in to see how the little one is doing. Sending more {{{hugs}}}
Don't forget I'm close by if you ever need help or a break. 905-701-4600
Laurie

"He's a nice horse, he's just a little special in the head."

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Thanks everyone.... I can not believe the phone calls, e-mails, and support from total strangers as well as those of you I know quite well. A sincere thank-you to everyone...

The filly is doing well. We have had the older mare of ours who lost the foal in Nov. with her once for about 1/2 an hour today. They got along great. She let her nurse and the mare licked/nuzzled her a lot. She has a little milk/fliud and our vet seems to think she may start to produce more. We will continue to bottle feed her. We bought one that mounts on the wall. Hope we can get her to take to that. My only concern is that this mare seems to be very concerned in everything else that is going on and keeps walking the stall therefore making the foal up and about more that I would like. So we are going to put them together when we are out there and slowly increase their time together. Overall it looks like it is going to work. We are so happy.

We did take the little one out into the sun shine for about 10 minutes and she just followed us around. She seemed to really like getting outside. We took some video of which I took a few photos... here they are of our precious filly...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

and another of her...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

the last one... She is such a trooper. Fearless like her mommy...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Nikita]

Wow, look at those legs on her! She is simply stunning. I'm glad to hear that things seem to be working out even in this trying situation.
And thanks for the pictures!!

"He's a nice horse, he's just a little special in the head."

[Spot]

Oh she is stunning April! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What a fabulous filly! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif She's HUGE!!!

"Spot"

[Robby Johnson]

I love her too!

I'm shedding a few tears with you as this just painfully brings back the memories of losing Willow.

I was able to be with Ti Amo for a few days when he was 5 weeks old. I wasn't nearly as disciplined as Gail when it came to treating him correctly. I would've brought him into the house with me and probably have reared the most horrid horse alive! Thankfully he had his Miss Ima and regular treatment, as well as an absentee "father," and he acts no different than a regular horse.

His auntie Flaire was very watchful over him and she would let him nurse on her through the fence slats. It was very sweet.

Robby

Dance and sing get up and do your thing ...

[jilltx]

She is just gorgeous!! I wish you the best of luck with her. I have raised one orphan, and had a hand in two others. It is long and tiring work, but I have to admit some of my best memories of it are creeping out to the barn in the wee hours and hearing that wonderful nicker. Many reassuring &lt;&lt;&lt;hugs&gt;&gt;&gt; to you!!

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~Jilltx~

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[Spot]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> but I have to admit some of my best memories of it are creeping out to the barn in the wee hours and hearing that wonderful nicker. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...awwww .... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

"Mom! Is that you?! I'm H-U-N-G-R-Y !!! Hurry up!!!
Yippeee!!!! Its Mom with my bottle! Mmmmmm ...."

"Thanks Mom. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif See you again in a few hours! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif "

"Spot"

[K~2]

If you get a professional nursemare http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, this should not be a problem. Carsons (in Ontario) I believe have nursemares that are used as just that.. nursemares. In Kentucky there is a whole industry that supplies the thoroughbred farms. Generally these mares are hobbled until they have adopted their new charge, after which time their bond is no different than any other natural mare/foal relationship. They are turned out with other thoroughbred mares and foals with no problems. And these foals are worth in the millions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We are very leary about send her to any other mare as she is all we have left of our mare and we could not handle losing her too. I would not sleep at night knowing that she may get kicked or the foster mom may decide that she has had enough of our precious little filly. So we are going to keep her here with us where we can see her on the monitor any time of day.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[Everythingbutwings]

She is gorgeous! Such a beautiful head.

Robby, I'm weepy eyed, too. I recall that eager little "Ick Ick Ick" call when Maddie would hear the gate chain rattle.

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[onetempies]

Awww.... she's a real cutie! Thanks for posting the pics. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif Wishing you the best of luck with this gal and many (((HUGS))) for what you've been through with her mom. Please keep us posted on your filly's progress!

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[LEP Enterprises, LLC]

Wow, she is just lovely - and I can see from that gleam in her eye and the way she's frolicking that she just KNOWS that she is loved!!!

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[Hexel]

Wow she is adorable and stunning.

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Her and her foster mom get along great... It brought a huge smile to my face when I went into the stall and "New" mommy cut her off as I tried to get a hold of her. Only one problem... While they are together the filly will not drink from the bottle. She keeps sucking on the mares nippples, of which really do not have much in them at this time. But the mare does have a real twinkle her in eye when they are together. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif I hope the fillies real mom is looking down and proud of the way the new mare(Cadie) has taken to her little girl that she has blessed us with.

So we are going to let them be together a few times a day and concentrate on getting her to nurse from the bottle. We have actually bought a calf bottle and holder that fixes to the wall and she now drinking from that... The bottle is fixed on the wall that they share so the mare can still nuzzle her while she drinks. yeah!!! Now we only need to change the bottle every 3 hours or so... So we can have 3 hour intervals of sleep.

Thank god for my sister (Tasha) that I live with as we alternate during the night so each of us can get some sleep... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif Now my turn to get some zzzzz's

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

And thanks for all the kind words about her... We think she is stunning but it is so nice to hear others say the same thing http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

Now we need to start thinking of a name for her... Any suggestions??? Her dams name is Roll On Jo and her sires name is Mirabeau.

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Everythingbutwings]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Thank god for my sister <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't it the truth? My sister (Auntie Pat on the forums) used to put her kids on the school bus and then feed Maddie at 11:00 am and 1:00 pm while I was at work.

Raising an orphan takes a lot of help and support.

I have to say again, she's beautiful. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[hansiska]

She's adorable!

Do you feel that it's dangerous for them to be together all of the time? If so, I suggest that when they're apart you milk out the mare consistently. As a former dairy farm milker, I can tell you that milking stimulates milk production. This mare will never have enough milk for the foal if the foal can only nurse occassionally. If the situation is to be remedied, either you or the foal need to stimulate lactation.

I've had no experience with "grafting" a foal in this way, but it sure would be great for the filly to have this bond and four-legged diner at her disposal. You'd get more sleep, and also save a fair amount of money. I know from raising our foal just how expensive it can be -- and that was four years ago...

Anyway, of course you know your mare and what you're seeing best and you are clearly doing a great job with the filly. Just wanted to add my $.02 -- feel free to tell me to pipe down!
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[Erin Pittman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Now we need to start thinking of a name for her... Any suggestions??? Her dams name is Roll On Jo and her sires name is Mirabeau.
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What about Miracle Jo or Jo's Miracle?

She is VERY cute - love those long legs!!!

[hollyhorse2000]

Beau Jo?

[nsm]

I am so so sorry to hear about your mare, but so glad the foal has a mare that can be a companion, what a blessing. I went through raising an orphan last year, the mare had to be put down shortly after birth, we found a nurse mare who had lost a foal but would not accept our foal, and was nasty despite 10 days of work, and sending them in to a clinic because she was so evil. This foal would not accept a bottle or drinking out of a bucket,he wanted a mom. The clinic worked with him, I went over before and after work everyday, finally neither the mare was working out or trying to feed him, the clinic after 10 days of IV feeding sent him home and basically said that's it he learns or he doesn't, so I spent 24 hours a day for days with this foal, changing buckets, things we fed him in , bottles, you name it, and finally he decided he would drink, but only out of a white ice cream bucket, and only if I held it.So I spent most of my days and nights nights in our mare barn feeding and sleeping with this foal, [and cursing all horses in general]and when he decided he would drink--it was all the time, even through the night several times an hour. Finally I got him to drink with someone else holding the bucket, and hired people to feed him some of the time so I could go teach and do some work. It was a long summer. I got him a goat who was a good caretaker, and a pony, and I suffered through jokes of where is his puppy and kitty.I thought I would die of exhaustion for awhile and wondered why on earth I had ever decided to breed, it was horrible. Infact when I slept in the stall with him for a couple weeks, he slept on my lap, despite the fact my legs would fall asleep, then he just slept with his head in my lap when he was bigger, even after I got the goat and kept the goat with him for company, Will still insisted I stay with him until he fell asleep at night and would scream until I did, then he would go to sleep.I was having horrible visions of Will all grown up,at 17 hands trying to sleep in my lap, finally I had to go away to horse shows, the baby sitters flatly balked at a foal in their laps and we broke him of that habit.
But anyway the point of this is, it was such a heart break in the beginning and so rough to go through, but now I have a beautiful 9 1/2 month old colt who is really special and has incredible presence.It was quite an experience to raise this foal. I will always morn the loss of my mare, but I will always consider this foal special and a gift.The experience of raising him became a special gift as well. I look at Will today and there is a unique bond there, there isn't a day that goes by I don't feel lucky to have him, he has brought me more joy. There is an up side to all this, really there is. So hang in there, keep us updated, feel free to email me if there is any questions or anything at all I could help with, Take Care---------Nancy
email:nmaloney@nconnect.net

Home of the Oldenburg Stallion Ironman

[Spot]

Nancy - what a lovely story!

Can you post a picture of Will for us?

"Spot"

[TKR]

How about Color of Miracles for a name.
PSG

[flshgordon]

oh this story is just making me cry as I read it! Sounds like you are doing an absolutely amazing job for this little girl. And she looks so healthy and strong in the pictures---she is an absolute treasure. I'll be saying prayers that you can get the stand in mare to produce milk and therefore get some sleep yourself. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

"Now it's time to focus in on where I go from here--Lord have mercy on my next 30 years" :-) Tim McGraw

[Gunnar]

I am sorry for your loss but happy for your baby. One of my favorite horses Mother died when he was born and he was raised by people and a goat. He was a special horse and loved people more than life. Hopefully you will have the same fun times as he and I did. Good Luck and I hope it all ends well

"Angels fly because they take themselves lightly."

Steph

[aurum]

April, I just come in and see that update. What a terrible thing to happen. I wish you all the luck you need to raise this precious baby to a wonderful mare. I am so sorry that this drama has happened. This filly is so beautiful, she reminds me very much of Mascarpone's daughter Mona Lisa. As for a name how about Roll On Belle, this contains the dam's name and the female version of Beauty in French like the male version Beau which is part of MiraBEAU.

Gwendolyn
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[hopepintos]

I am so sorry for the loss of your beautiful mare but what a wonderful legacy she has left you. As I read your story I am sitting infront of my computer with tears in my eyes... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif My thoughts and prayers are with the both of you in this trying time.

Please keep us updated on how your little angel is doing, R.I.P. Roll On Jo. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[sid]

I too have had an orphan and it is a life changing experience when it comes to what you've known about horses.

I found that I never even had the time to reconcile the death of my mare because I was so darned busy keeping baby going (he was a dummy foal whom I could never get on a bucket..go figure!). Eventually I did after I recovered from being so fatigued from his care and life got a little back to normal.

My only advice is to keep the baby from becoming totally human dependent early-on, no matter how much you love her... don't "dote" and instead let another matronly mare or the herd teach her how to "be a horse" as soon as you can. To do otherwise often turns orphans into very difficult mature individuals -- because they never quite understand respect and boundries with humans.

It sounds like you are doing all the right things!

Susan Doner, Little Bull Run Farm. Standing Boleem, Argosy and King's Camelot. www.littlebullrun.com (http://www.littlebullrun.com)

[Faiths CremelloWB]

The little girl had a good day. She seems to sleep an aweful lot. She will be up to nurse and pee then right back down to sleep. We took her out onto the lawn to have sopme play time and run around this afternoon and she did. Run and even buck a little. But as soon as we put her back in the stall she lay down and went to sleep. I guess since there is not much else to do in there as she sleeps. The Auntie is over a 1/2 wall and they do have interaction that way but I do not think it is enough.

Anyone else who has had an orphan find they sleep a lot??? http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif She also does this strechy stance quite a bit and yawns?? then lays down. I know I am probably parinoid but I am going to have my vet out in the morning to check on her. It will make me feel better if nothing else...

Thanks again to everyone for the kind words and support, it looks as though it is going to be a very long road ahead if I keep worrying about her like this. But she is worth every bit of it. We miss her mom so much and everytime someone stops over and asks where mom is, we get all teared up... how long will it take to be able to talk about her and not get upset... Oh how I wish she were still her with us... RIP Joey http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif But thanks for leaving us with a piece of you http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[nsm]

Hi--My orphan was very active and did not sleep alot, only for short periods, but I suppose each is individual.Having the vet check the foal is a good idea. I would suggest getting something to put in her stall, maybe a goat, I rented one and it really was a good care taker. I had never even been up close to goats and knew nothing about them, but the goat was easy to have around. Infact when Will would lay down for a nap, she would stand over him and gaurd him.It was pretty cute. We got a pony for him too, but by that time, the goat had dibs on the stall
But I know how you feel and that's how Will ended up in my lap--that I don't reccomend.Those things are heavy.To this day Will hasn't decided what I am, we are working on that.
I was in a state of terror chronically about Will--if he was going to be okay, if he would make it, I had to learn to channel all my grief about my mare into energy to keep myself going to keep the foal going. I had to learn to focus solely on him and try to not think of my mare and try to be grateful I had him at least.I also had to force myself to try to be positive so maybe he would feel that. It was a battle to focus on what was, instead of what should of been.But as I said in my very long reply earlier--it is worth it, and you have a beautiful, beautiful foal.Hang in there, alot of people are thinking about you and wishing you luck---------Nancy

Home of the Oldenburg Stallion Ironman

[nsm]

Hi--My orphan was very active and did not sleep alot, only for short periods, but I suppose each is individual.Having the vet check the foal is a good idea. I would suggest getting something to put in her stall, maybe a goat, I rented one and it really was a good care taker. I had never even been up close to goats and knew nothing about them, but the goat was easy to have around. Infact when Will would lay down for a nap, she would stand over him and gaurd him.It was pretty cute. We got a pony for him too, but by that time, the goat had dibs on the stall
But I know how you feel and that's how Will ended up in my lap--that I don't reccomend.Those things are heavy.To this day Will hasn't decided what I am, we are working on that.
I was in a state of terror chronically about Will--if he was going to be okay, if he would make it, I had to learn to channel all my grief about my mare into energy to keep myself going to keep the foal going. I had to learn to focus solely on him and try to not think of my mare and try to be grateful I had him at least.I also had to force myself to try to be positive so maybe he would feel that. It was a battle to focus on what was, instead of what should of been.But as I said in my very long reply earlier--it is worth it, and you have a beautiful, beautiful foal.Hang in there, alot of people are thinking about you and wishing you luck---------Nancy<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> </pre><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Home of the Oldenburg Stallion Ironman

[nsm]

sorry about 2 of the same replys---don't even know quite how I did that --OOPS. My apologies to everyone--NM

Home of the Oldenburg Stallion Ironman

[pintofoal]

April I am so sorry to hear about this, I haven't read the whole thread, but if you can do whatever it takes to get a nurse mare.

I agree 100% with Sid <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My only advice is to keep the baby from becoming totally human dependent early-on, no matter how much you love her... don't "dote" and instead let another matronly mare or the herd teach her how to "be a horse" as soon as you can. To do otherwise often turns orphans into very difficult mature individuals -- because they never quite understand respect and boundries with humans. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've had two adult orphans one was a lovely Ster Dutch mare who was what everyone would dream of owning as a broodmare, but she was DEADLY--loved people, but treated them as horses and would lore you in with a sweet gentle face and ears forward and then wham spin and wail you. I believe in her life she has sent at lest 3 people to the hospital. On top of that she could not be a broodmare, she did not know how to be a mother. With her first foal she tried to KILL it, I had to get him a nurse mare. I got rid of this mare--no matter how beautiful she was NOT worth it. My other adult orphan is also a pain in the rump to deal with, but not deadly like the other. She also tried to kick and bite her first foal, but after days of holding her 24 hours on end she did except her foal and is now a wonderful mother--I believe her dam died a day or two after she was born so she has a bit more scents the first mare.

Again what ever transpires please to try to take Sids advice and I wish you the best of luck.

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com (http://silverwoodfarm.com) Warmblood Pintos

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

My mare is an adult orphan. I have had her for 14 years, she is 18 now. She is very affectionate, loving and careful with me. She has never been disrespectful of me or my space. She is very trusting of me, if I say it is ok, then she believes me. She has been a dream to handle and doesn't have any strange quirks. The first time she was body clipped, I had just spend 6 or 7 hours clipping my friends Arab (he was a terror), and I got her out of the pasture, ground tied her and clipped away. She never once batted an eyelash. She has spoiled me with her great nature and has never been a horse you have to worry about. She loves people, specifically me, but is not in your face. She isn't fond of horses in general, she has a couple of friends and likes to be near the herd, but in general, they get on her nerves. She has NEVER treated me like another horse and everyone who has dealth with her, likes her. I think the people who took care of her when she was orphaned did a great job. I think they were affectionate with her but still expected her to be a horse, not a human. When Frodo was born, she was a great mom. I was worried as her mom must have rejected her because she was bred the year after Bugs was born. Bugs was great, I never had one problem with her kicking at Frodo, she accepted him right off the bat and was very intrigued by him at first. Take care not to dote, allow her to trust you but also be a horse. Bugs is the most trustworthy horse I have ever met and I think you could have the same in this filly. I can't imagine what I would be like with an orphan, I am the doting type so that would be extremely difficult for me. All of this being said, I have SPOILED Bugs rotten...absolutely rotten, but she has never ever been nasty, greedy, pushy, pinned her ears at me, kicked me...or anything. I have been lucky with her.

Good luck and I hope things go well with her. Hang in there, your posts are breaking my heart. I am so sorry for your loss but you are right, you have a piece of your mare in that sweet little filly.

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Amy
Cute as a Bugsear (Bugs) 1986 JC OTTTB (Isella x Annie Somebody)
Pippen (Frodo) 2003 ATA Anglo Trakehner (Paramoure x Cute as a Bugsear)

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Vet was just here and we got the thumbs up!!! Finally a bit of good news. He said she looks great, and that has made our day http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We took out onto the lawn to get some sunshine and exercize... Here are a couple photos of her on day three...

The mare in the photos is her Auntie... (Cadie)

Oh and we split off 1/4 of the stall with a 2x10 so the foal can go under to her own little area and still play with Auntie when she want to have some fun. So far it is working great!!!

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

and another

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

and another... what a cute face...http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif but she bumped into the camera as she investigated it. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[This message was edited by Faiths CremelloWB on Apr. 10, 2004 at 03:12 PM.]

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Last one... Her showing us how strong she is and letting out some steam...

Her and her Aunite are keeping each other company now...They LOF each other... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Fairview Horse Center]

I found this:

Inducing Lactation in Open Mares

This research was presented at the International Symposium of Equine Reproduction at CSU last year. Because attendance is limited (350 equine repro specialists worldwide), the information presented is not readily available to most veterinarians.

* Recent research has shown that milk production may be induced in non-parturient mares using a combination of steroid and dopamine antagonist treatment, and milking;

* Mares are treated with 7 days of exposure to a vaginal sponge containing 500 mg altrenogest and 50 mg estradiol benzoate;

* It is hypothesized that treatment with suitable low levels of injectable P&E may provide the same necessary dosage.

* Daily Sulpiride (1mg/kg) treatment is given for a minimum of 7 days;

* Extending the Sulpiride treatment for a longer period appears to increase milk production;

* Prostaglandin (5 mg dinoprost, i.m.) is given on day 6 of treatment

* Milking the mare 5 times per day using a mechanical goat milker was started on day 7

* Oxytocin (5 IU, i.m.) may be given approximately 2 minutes prior to commencement of milking to assist in milk release.

Mares treated in this manner in a research group all produced milk, and foals were fostered onto them. Growth of the foal does not appear to be diminished over an extended period of time, although initial weight gain may not be as great in the foal fostered in this manner. IgG levels in milk produced as a result of this treatment are not great, so supplementation is required to ensure good immune transfer in the foal;

Non-parental mares with milk production stimulated in this manner accepted the foster foal with less resistance if they received two x 3 minute vaginal-cervical stimulations in such a manner as to mimic the physical stimulation that accompanies foaling, while the foal was held close to their side.

Darlyn
http://www.fairviewhorsecenter.com

Are We Having Fun Yet?

[jilltx]

FCWB...your filly is just the cutest thing. I love the pic of her kicking up her heels. It sounds like you guys are on the right track with her and her Auntie. Crossing my fingers here and hoping for continued good news and of course, more PICTURES! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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~Jilltx~

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"You've gotta get in to get out" ~Peter Gabriel

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

FCWB, this is such good news and the pics are so nice to see. Whew...this must be somewhat of a relief for you.

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Amy
Cute as a Bugsear (Bugs) 1986 JC OTTTB (Isella x Annie Somebody)
Pippen (Frodo) 2003 ATA Anglo Trakehner (Paramoure x Cute as a Bugsear)

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Yeah we are very happy and relieved that our vet thinks she is doing great. He said that she has grown quite a bit since he last saw her Wed night... I do not see it but that is becasue I see at least once an hour http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/winkgrin.gif

I forgot to ad the photo in a couple posts above... Here she is checking out my sister video taping her.

Now time for a nap since we just changed her bottle. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sleepy.gif

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[mbp]

I'm so glad you filly is doing well - she looks great.

Very interesting info Fairview - thanks for sharing it.

[Spot]

Aw April - that is such great news! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

And it looks like the "auntie" is totally accepting of her too, which must be a huge relief for you.

IT looks like this will work out fabulously well - she will have the horse interaction that she needs to develop properly with her new aunt

Congrats - that is great to see and hear! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Spot"

[Everythingbutwings]

You have a solid gold treasure in that "Auntie"!

The darling little princess looks great. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I was so relieved when our vet service provided our orphan with her surrogate mom, a beautiful Welsh cob. It is of utmost importance that orphans learn to be horses and not people.

Friendship is Love without his wings
-Lord Byron

[hopepintos]

WOW!! Love the photos, again can't say enough how cute your little filly is! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[coalybay]

Wonderful pictures.
great to hear the little filly is doing so well.

[Lazy Palomino Hunter]

My horse, like Bugs, is an adult orphan. His mom died when he was a couple days old, and he was bottle raised. He is a DREAM to have... he just loves people and being in the center of attention. He is completely comfortable with people, and you can do absolutely anything with him. He falls asleep as I clip his ears and bridle path, he just stands there to be body clipped, etc.. He has never even offered to bite me.

He showed all over on the line as a baby, as well as doing the IHF as a 4 year old. He also showed all over the east coast at the big A shows in the A/O hunters as a 5 year old. He gets along great with other horses; sometimes TOO WELL, as he and his pasture buddy beat the crap out of each other playing so much.

He really only has two bad habits; he cribs (very lightly, and not at all with a strap on), and he is VERY VERY VERY orally fixated. But, its sort of his charm too; he loves people playing with his nostrils (stretching them haha), his lips (flopping them together, stretching them out, etc), and even his tongue.

Usually he LICKS stuff more then actually chewing on it, but he does very much enjoy chewing on lead ropes... he sucks them all the way into the back of his mouth and merrily chews away.

Overall, he is the best adjusted horse I have ever met. You can take him absolutely anywhere... you just take him off the trailer, he takes a quick look around, sighs, and settles right in. At overnight shows, he is absolutely comfortable as soon as he steps into his "new stall"- he'll be out cold, flat on the floor sleeping withing two hours of arriving. "Worried" is not in his vocabulary.

http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I loff my orphan.

Alison

Farriers are like cats. They don't like to go out in the rain and they don't come when you call them.

[Faiths CremelloWB]

We have a 3rd foal by Mirabeau. Another buckskin filly!!! Which means she will not be for sale. This one surprised up as she was not due for another 2 weeks and the mare showed no signs at all. Here are a couple photos of her...

I also wanted to say that the Orphan filly is doing great. She is growing strong and healthy with the help of her Auntie. Will get some new photos of her soon...

And that the first palomino colt by Mirabeau has been sold...yipeeee!!!! He will be heading to Nevada.

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

and another

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Faiths CremelloWB]

last one...

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Spot]

This is just the sweetest filly in the whole wide world!

She views April and Tasha as the food source and Auntie as Mom. She is SO funny to watch as she is impatiently waiting for her bottle to be filled!

This probably worked out as well as a situation like this could possibly have done so.

Is the little QH filly with you still? Or did she go home already?

"Spot"

[sprucie]

Congratulations on all the lovely foals http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jodie LaForge
Spruce Hill Farm
http://www.sprucehillfarm.net

[Faiths CremelloWB]

Yes we did have another Orphan here for a few days. The little filly got quite sick and had to have IV fliuds and plasma and daily injections so she stayed here as her owner was not comfortable giving those. But happy to report that we got a call for a SB mare that lost its foal and the mare was brought to our farm. They bonded instantly and when the faol was feeling better the mare and foal went back to there owners farm... yeah!!!! happy endings!!!

&lt;&lt;Breeder of Coloured Warmblood Sporthorses&gt;&gt;

http://www.blazingcoloursfarm.com

[Nikita]

I love the pictures, she is gorgeous! So how many more for you guys this year? A couple more and you're done right? Then it's just breeding all those pesky mares. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif You should be able to be well rested around September. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

"He's a nice horse, he's just a little special in the head."