I feel so helpless...Pics of Jack on p. 2-Sad update on p.5

[Applesauce]

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a crystal ball we could all look into that would tell us the outcome of certain things so we'd know what path to take?

I have a horse in my barn on lay-up board that has the the most severe case of EPM I've ever seen. He can't go out in the pasture by himself because he'll fall down so each evening 2-3 of us assist him in hand grazing. He enjoys his time out of the stall but really relies on us to help him or he'll go down. He is living with me because he is too sick to go back to his home which is very mountainous and hilly with lots of rocks. The owner was ready to put him down when he first got sick but he pulled through and is trying so hard that the owner wanted to give him that chance.

Here's the problem. While he's improved somewhat, he's not better. The owner has already spent a small fortune in vet bills on him but can't afford the money for the better (and of course) more expensive medicine. We aren't even sure that the better medicine will help at this point because the damage may have already been done.

Here's where I feel so bad. I stay here around the clock keeping an eye on this horse. He is the sweetest, most lovable Appy you've ever laid eyes on. He has a kind eye, he's smart, and he's fighting so hard for his life. He nickers at me when ever he sees me and I spend a lot of time just playing with him and giving him love which he thoroughly enjoys. Needless to say, I've grown very attached to him. I had an extensive conversation with his owner yesterday that has basically given Jack 2 more weeks. That's when his current medication runs out. If there is no more marked improvement in his condition the owner has decided to have him put down. I feel so sad inside because this horse has been trying so hard and he has the sweetest soul and such a spirit. He's trying so freaking hard that it breaks my heart.

The owner did make the offer that if someone would be willing to foot the rest of his vet bills they could have Jack. I wish nothing more in this world if it could be me but the simple fact is that I can't afford it either on a horse that still may not make it. I have vet bills from my filly that just had surgery and my dog that had bladder stones I am waiting to come in the mail.

And the thing is, is that what about his quality of life? Yes he is fighting but there may already be so much damage already done that he will never be able to just be turned out. What is best for him? I know that it this point it's not my decision to make but I just feel so bad for him. I really have grown attached to him and deep down I know we have to do what's best for him.

Anyone else ever been in a situation like this before? I feel guilty because I kind of feel like I'm letting him down.

[Applesauce]

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a crystal ball we could all look into that would tell us the outcome of certain things so we'd know what path to take?

I have a horse in my barn on lay-up board that has the the most severe case of EPM I've ever seen. He can't go out in the pasture by himself because he'll fall down so each evening 2-3 of us assist him in hand grazing. He enjoys his time out of the stall but really relies on us to help him or he'll go down. He is living with me because he is too sick to go back to his home which is very mountainous and hilly with lots of rocks. The owner was ready to put him down when he first got sick but he pulled through and is trying so hard that the owner wanted to give him that chance.

Here's the problem. While he's improved somewhat, he's not better. The owner has already spent a small fortune in vet bills on him but can't afford the money for the better (and of course) more expensive medicine. We aren't even sure that the better medicine will help at this point because the damage may have already been done.

Here's where I feel so bad. I stay here around the clock keeping an eye on this horse. He is the sweetest, most lovable Appy you've ever laid eyes on. He has a kind eye, he's smart, and he's fighting so hard for his life. He nickers at me when ever he sees me and I spend a lot of time just playing with him and giving him love which he thoroughly enjoys. Needless to say, I've grown very attached to him. I had an extensive conversation with his owner yesterday that has basically given Jack 2 more weeks. That's when his current medication runs out. If there is no more marked improvement in his condition the owner has decided to have him put down. I feel so sad inside because this horse has been trying so hard and he has the sweetest soul and such a spirit. He's trying so freaking hard that it breaks my heart.

The owner did make the offer that if someone would be willing to foot the rest of his vet bills they could have Jack. I wish nothing more in this world if it could be me but the simple fact is that I can't afford it either on a horse that still may not make it. I have vet bills from my filly that just had surgery and my dog that had bladder stones I am waiting to come in the mail.

And the thing is, is that what about his quality of life? Yes he is fighting but there may already be so much damage already done that he will never be able to just be turned out. What is best for him? I know that it this point it's not my decision to make but I just feel so bad for him. I really have grown attached to him and deep down I know we have to do what's best for him.

Anyone else ever been in a situation like this before? I feel guilty because I kind of feel like I'm letting him down.

[ChocoMare]

First of all, bless you for taking him in and helping your friend. I'm sure she appreciates the sanctuary her horse has found with you more than she could ever express. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

Because you care for this boy, I would just quietly respect your friend's wishes and at the end of two weeks, let him go. The "trying" is the way of appys. Their attitude and spunk masks much of their pain.

My late app mare, Star, while overall healthy, lived with a severely arthritic knee for two years that just got progressively worse until it fused at a permanent 20-degree bend. Her eyes were bright, she still had that Appy Attitude and she could get around...But: I knew her. I could tell that her quality of life was not what she, nor I, wanted. I knew, deep down, that it was time to release her from the pain.

I believe this is where your app's owner is now. She realizes that she's done the very best she could for him, gave him a chance and hoped for the best. But she knows that this is the life he doesn't want. I'm sure the burden it has put on you and your staff to help him eat and get around adds to the weight in her heart.

Just be there for them both. Stuff him full of whatever he desires to eat, scratch his favority itchy spots and whisper in his ear stories of The Bridge. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[M.K.Smith]

I just read your post and I don't know that I have any suggestions...I just want to offer <<hugs>>.

I also wanted to let you know, I looked at your website and you have a gorgeous farm. My parents live in Staunton... what a pretty area.

[BasqueMom]

Applesauce,

Please go to EPM@yahoogroups.com. It's a message board for EPM horse owners (Basque is an
EPM horse). Everyone on the list has been there, done that.

Among the questions you'll be asked are how was the horse diagnosed (many are misdiagnosed as there are other diseases that mimic EPM), what type of meds, cheaper sources for the meds, etc.

Every horse differs in their symptons and recovery rates.

[Lucassb]

Kudos to you for what you have already done, and continue to do for this horse.

Has a vet offered any assessment of what the prognosis might be with (and without) more aggressive treatment? Does the vet understand the owner's financial limitations? I know of some vets who will sometimes offer assistance (for instance, reduced prices on medication) in circumstances like this. Or maybe even extended terms for payment over time?

If the vet indicates that a month of Marquis might give this horse a chance for a good life, then I do think perhaps there might be a way to find/raise the money... it's expensive, but not outrageously so.

[2Traks]

My 4 year old mare is currently on Marquis. I paid $650 for it and it's well worth the money knowing that it's going to give her a very good chance of recovery. Fortunately, her EPM was caught very, very early and she has almost no symptoms. If the Marquis might help it would be worth trying to raise the money to try it.

[pegasus209]

I agree with LucasB.
I'm so sorry he's going through this-- it really hurts to see them trying so damned hard, and know the financial limitations are looming... My prayers go out to you. Hoping for a swift turnaround for this courageous boy.

[RioTex]

Unfortunately, for a horse in this condition (cannot safely be turned out), he is not likely to improve to a state that will make him a safe companion. What if he were to fall on someone? Or break a leg or shoulder when he went down?

It sounds like the time for the very hard decision has come and knowing that you tried to help will have to provide a small bit of peace.

[gazenna]

Applesauce...I am so sorry to read about this horses situation, it is very sad indeed. I dont know where you are, I can tell you that the Indiana horse rescue people are working on a treatment for EPM horses that seems to looks promising. i have no idea what all it involves and from the way you discribe the problems this horses is having and maybe the distance would more then likely be just way to hard on the horse and the owner. But maybe it would help just to talk to someone from the rescue and just maybe they can give you some advice that may or may not help. You never know unless you try. Just type in Indiana horse rescue then click on equine division. I so hope it gets better, Goodluck and hug this horse for me please....Donna

[TheOrangeOne]

As nice as it would be for him to be able to gallop through a field someday, I don't think it will happen on this side of the bridge. I'm so sorry for what you're going through *hugs*

[EqTrainer]

Oh Geez... now I know what you've been up to.. I was hoping you were having fun!

I am so sorry to hear this. It's hard to be their "guardian" sometimes, isn't it? You feel so responsible. Just remember that he is very lucky to have you to take care of him.. no one could do a better job. If he has to be put down at least this time has been happy for him, and it's because of YOU.

[jilltx]

Applesauce...bless you and his owner for going to such lengths!! I second (or third?) the EPM group on Yahoo. THey are quick to respond and they've seen it all (or know someone who has!!).

Good luck to you and know that whatever decision has to be made, you've done your best by him and that's all anyone can ask (even him!)!!!

[Applesauce]

Thank you all for your support. I just love this horse even though he's not mine. I suppose it's because he's trying so darn hard and has such a strong spirit and is so kind and gentle. When he's gone down he's helpless and he just lies there waiting for me to come help him get back up. If he falls on his right side where most of the paralysis is I have to flip him to his left side. It's heart wrenching to watch him have to struggle with this.

I have been in close contact with his vet and the problem is that she honestly just doesn't know. Because he hasn't given any of the Marquis it's hard to say that if even now with as much damage that's been done if it would help or make matters worse with more die off symptoms. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

I honestly don't think he's getting better. I think instead he's just learned how to cope with his disibility. He constantly has to lean on the walls in his stall for support and he knows exactly where they are.

Tonight I went into his stall and gave him lots of scratches in his favorites spots, gave him a massage on his neck and some horse cookies. He rested his head against my chest and gave a big sigh as if he were thanking me for all I'm doing. I just feel so bad for him.

Chocomare: Your post brought tears to my eyes. I remember when you had to put Star down and the valiant decision you made for her. Even though I won't be the one to make the decision as it's the owner's choice, I know I will be with him when the time comes. Thank you for your words. They do bring me comfort.

I will visit that Yahoo group. Thanks for the recomendation.

[ChocoMare]

You just show your friend and her horse a picture of my Star (http://community.webshots.com/photo/122796909/198827417UgdqPA) mare so they'll know who will be there to greet him.

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[Coreene]

But so often the kindest thing we can give them is the gift of a gentle passing. It doesn't always have to come as a result of them asking for it. If I had a horse with the same issues and I was financially strapped, I would give him this gift. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif To me, this it be right.

[Rivermeer]

wow, such a tough situation to be in! I can offer hugs, because I have never been in such tough situation.

Heather

[coalforge]

I am in a similar situation with my horse and I just want to add a couple of observations I've made that helped me with the decision to put my horse down.
Yes, he can get around okay but he's fallen down more than once out in an open field. I know your friend doesn't want that to happen to her horse in the winter.
Yes, he can stand against a wall for support, but how are you going to get his feet trimmed? Your friend doesn't want to see her shoer or her horse injured trying to do this. And if his feet get too long, he could trip and be in even more danger.
What will happen if he colics, but not badly enough to euthanise? Your friend will not want to tranquilize him or give him Banamine. That could make him dangerously unsteady.
If he is anything like my horse, he's not carrying a lot of ectra weight. How will he stay warm this winter? We tried a sheet on my horse, but that made things a lot more scary when he got cast in his pasture. So he's been naked which is fine right now, but won't work this winter. (Because of his lack of weight )
These were all things that went through my brain as I agonised over my decision. I know it sucks, but as Coreene said, letting them go is often the kindest thing we can do. Good luck and I feel for you. I am putting my horse down on September 14, before the weather turns cold. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[*Simply Irresistible*]

Applesauce - many hugs from Washington

I just recently had to go thru just about the same thing as your friend. The only difference is that my mare was a Paint and had severe navicular. She was fat and sassy, bright eyed, ears always forward, always nickered a greeting. But she was always in pain and her quality of life just wasn't there.

Making the decision to put her down was one of the toughest I've ever had to make but one of the kindest. Someone on another board who runs a rescue, said that I gave my mare the best gift possible - a gentle and dignified passing.

As someone else suggested, support your friend and her decision and continue giving the horse all the TLC that you can.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your friend.

[Alagirl]

I have not read any of the replys, but I can relate: I took *my* cat to the vet this morning, figured since he is moving in with us he'd need a health check....about 1 1/2 years old, big, beautiful, sweet but still catches (or tries to) anything that moves...yet, I will have to put him down, feline leucemia... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Life just sucks at times. I hope there is a happy ending for your guy, I kept mine home for the time being, to spoil him some more and to say good-bye...but next week I will be very sad, because he is quiet possibly the PERFECT CAT!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Applesauce]

You all aren't going to believe this update. The internet is an amazing thing! Someone here saw my post and has some Navigator (20 tubes) that they are willing to GIVE us to try on Jack. For those of you that aren't familiar with this drug it's a newer drug on the market now for horses with EPM and it's actually more expensive that Marquis. I talked to Jack's vets today and we all agree that it's worth a try. We are just trying to make him pasture sound. Granted, it may make him have a relapse but and we certainly don't want to kill him trying to cure him but at this point his vets agree that it's worth a shot. If it doesn't appear to be working then we will do what's best for Jack and have him put down so that he will be able to gallop in greener pastures across the Bridge. But this way at least we will know that we absolutely did everything possible we could to save him. He deserves that.

So thank you to the poster that has offered her medicine to us. I don't know yet if she wants to be named in public yet but this is an incredible gift she is giving us. This is his last chance.

I promise to keep everyone posted on what happens and tomorrow I'll take some pictures of him for everyone to see so they know who they are jinling for.

[pegasus209]

Applesauce, that is awesome! Praying it helps him, and, if not.. well, you will know you tried everything you could and with much love you will be able to let him go.
Heaven bless this generous gift and it's donaters. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[Declaring]

That is a precious gift indeed. It serves two potential purposes,

if successful it gives the horse back a quality of life and a future he didn't have.

If unsuccessful then it makes losing him that little bit easier and as said by Pegasus, the owner and you can have some peace of mind knowing that everything you could try to save him was tried, so there are less 'what ifs'.. which I feel are always the killer after losing an animal.

Thanks are due to the kind donator.
I'm hoping for a successful outcome. Good luck and good wishes to you all.

[coalforge]

Wow that is wonderful news! Jingling for you all and bless the poster who gave this gift. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif
Good luck!

[Fessy's Mom]

How wonderful! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif I can't wait for an update once you start the new meds. Jingling hard for Jack. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Duffy]

Many jingles and hugs!!!

[Janet]

That is great that you are going to be able to give him Navigator. Hope it works!

Just as an FYI, I understand that Navigator often causes diarrhea as a side effect. Sometimes quite severe. Our vet here has taken to giving papaya (Stomach Soother) to counteract the diarrhea when he prescribes Navigator, and has been pleased with the result.

[Applesauce]

Janet, can you tell me more about the papaya? What form does it come in and how do we go about getting it? I've heard about the diarrhea as well and was dreading that but figured since it was symptomatic we'd treat it as necessary.

[Janet]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Applesauce:
Janet, can you tell me more about the papaya? What form does it come in and how do we go about getting it? I've heard about the diarrhea as well and was dreading that but figured since it was symptomatic we'd treat it as necessary. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Stomach Soother (Papaya) (http://www.stomachsoother.com)

Quite a few of the feed stores in Virginia stock it.

They are my sister's sponsor, so if you call (703 675 5361) or email (gillian.clissold@verizon.net) her, she can tell you who stocks it, or arrange to get is shipped to you.

[4_beatin_it]

Applesauce - you are a big hearted woman...taking on kids, horses....etc!

Fingers crossed it gives a new lease on life to this horse; and whoever gave you the tubes of medication deserves a big ole group hug!

P.S. How goes it with the children?

[RioTex]

Applesauce, many horses that experience downturns due to die off are helped by IV DMSO. You might keep it in mind if he worsens as you begin treatment. Sometimes preparedness is the key. I wish you and Jack all the best in your journey.

[cardicorgi]

Bless you, Applesauce http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif and the anonymous donor -

I'm a'jingling for Jack. Please give him scratches from a PNW cyber-supporter.

[LavenderFarm]

Applesauce, I know you have taken such wonderful care of this horse and how you have come to love him. He is, indeed, such a kind and endearing fellow.

Hope the donated meds work well for him (and many thanks to the kind donor).

But, if he does not take a turn for the better, you must know in your heart - and believe - that you tried your very best for him. Surely he is loved, and what more can any of us ask. If he crosses the Bridge, my "Little Man" will be there to greet him.

[M.K.Smith]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bless you, Applesauce and the anonymous donor -

I'm a'jingling for Jack. Please give him scratches </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll second CardiCorgi.

[Applesauce]

Thank you everyone for their prayers and jingles. We are very excited by this incredible gift. The generous donor is over-nighting the medicine to us on Monday so we can begin treatment ASAP. I've been doing my research on the possible side effects of the drug and will be prepared for anything that may arise. We'll be standing by with all sorts of goodies.

4_beatin_it: Thanks for asking about the kids! Things are progressing smoothly. The mother has voluntarily surrendered her parental rights but the father went to court to fight for his. The judge has not reached a decision yet concerning his rights but we are very optimistic that things will go our way. We should be hearing something withing the next week or so. I promise to post a big update once we know something for sure. Once this is finalized we can begin adoption proceedings.

LavenderFarm: I just know your little angel would be there to great Jack. What fun they would have! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[Adelita]

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

How wonderful!!

[Applesauce]

Thought everyone would like to see some pictures of Jack. I had to bribe him with cookies to get his ears forward as he wasn't too fond of having a flash going off on him. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif

Our very kind donor of the medicine has sent it and it's on the way. We pray that it will do the trick and give Jack the chance of living the rest of his life the way a horse deserves. I would like to also say a big thank you to the following people:

Janet and her sister for recommending the Papaya. They have been wonderful in placing and order for me very quickly so it will be here the same time the medicine gets here so Jack won't *hopefully* have any severe side effects from the Navigator.

Foxden Equine: Thank you to this wonderful company which has donated a 5 pound bag of TracGard to also help ease Jack's stomach and aid in the digestion of the medicine. They have also very kindly donated a bag of MSM for us to give him.

I've been telling Jack how many people are pulling for him and are sending prayers and jingles his way. We should have the medicine on Wednesday.

Anyway, without further ado, let me introduce you all to Jack. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Applesauce]

And one more picture.

[jilltx]

He's got a serious sparkle in them thar eyes!

Crossing fingers, toes and all other crossable parts for Jack.

***JINGLES***

[ol' QHJumper]

What a lovely, dignified-looking guy! Jack will certainly be in my thoughts as he starts on his treatment!
Yet another round of thanks, here, for all of the donors to help Jack's plight. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[LoriO]

I can see why you want to try and help him pull through. What a lovley sweet face! Sending lot sof jingles for Jack

[race_run_jump]

Best wishes!!! Thinking of you - can't wait to hear updates.

[BelladonnaLily]

Thoughts and prayers are with you guys! What a cute boy with such a kind face. Keep us posted on his condition...if things start to look better, I'd be happy to donate a few dollars to help with his care. I'm hoping the Navigator does the trick! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Fessy's Mom]

Oh, he's adorable! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Jingles that all the wonderful donated meds do the trick! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[FindersKeepers]

I've been following jack's story, and I wish you all the best. You can see in his eyes even in the pictures how much fight he has, and I can completely understand why you want to keep trying. I hope the navigator helps him out, I've seen it work before.

Good luck!!!

[Show Hunter]

What an adorable horse! I too easily see why you want to help him. Many, many jingles!!!

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

What a wonderful, wonderful gift someone has been able to give Jack, and you - and us as well.

Please keep us updated. I hope Jack will be able to have a peaceful retirement, but if it is not to be ...he will know how far so many peeps were willing to go for him.

[Tucked_Away]

What a lovely, lovely boy. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[Applesauce]

The medicine is here! Talk about fast! I've called Jack's vets and left them a message so now we wait to see how much to start giving him and when.

Here we goooooooooooo...

[Vandy]

Applesauce, best wishes for "your" boy!

I have a boarder (who is also a vet) who is treating his EPM horse with Navigator. Be aware that because of die-off the neurologic symptoms can appear far worse during the actual treatment period. We also have experienced the diarrhea, and used gastrofate (sp?) along with treatment. Also our horse did not want to eat much during the treatment and lost a great deal of weight - I understand this is fairly common too. Interestingly, the vet/owner administered the Navigator by stomach tube, along with DMSO to aid in absorption. Not sure yet how successful this course of treatment is, and it is definitely experiemental, but I have a lot of respect for this vet. Best of luck!

[CSSporthorses]

Good luck ... I've been reading this thread religiously and just wanted to send my best wishes ... He's got the gleam in his eye, I would do the same if I were in your position ... Keep us updated and give Jack a hug and kiss from my critters and myself here in Delaware http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Gunnar]

Jingling for Jack! Hope the Navigator is working!

[Instant Karma]

You and Jack are in my thoughts and prayers, he certainly deserves any chance you can give him. What a wonderful thing you are doing, I wish you both all of the best!

[hotspot]

Applesauce-

I will definitely be watching this thread like a hawk! Glad to see you had posted when I checked COTH tonight.

Maybe one of the reasons for the tubing... aside from the tubes being HUGE (which I guess you have now witnessed) is I heard the meds can really irritate their mouths. Someone suggested to me to rinse the mouth with Coke or something afterwards. Aside from the sugary taste, maybe the carbonation neutralizes the pH of the meds... or something like that.

P.S.
Thanks for the pics... I should have known Jack was a chestnut... I have such a softspot for chestnuts!

[drifter05]

I am a brand new member on this forum. This is my first post. I am totally inspired by your story and I so hope that Jack makes it. He is such a handsome horse. Kudos to you for your kind heart and generous spirit. And to all the others who are helping Jack. I think my decision to join this forum is a good one.

[Applesauce]

Here's the latest. We will be pre-medicating him with some steroids and basically "getting him ready" for the Navigator. This is evidentially some pretty powerful stuff. So, I'll keep everyone posted on when we actually do get the meds started (I'm thinking probably within the next day or so) and I'll let everyone know how he is doing.

Hotspot: Thanks for the tip on the Coke. I'm sure he won't have any problems getting that down. He's such a treat hound. I'll give him special scratches from his guardian angel when I go check on him in a few minutes. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Drifter05: Welcome to the boards! I'm so pleased you feel inspired by this thread. We are a tight group of people here and in a crisis it's amazing the amount of support and help will come through from complete strangers.

[jilltx]

****JINGLE JINGLE JINGLE****

Best of luck to you guys!!!!!!!!!

[SLW]

Bump. Awesome story, awesome folks.

Please, please keep us posted. I agree w/ whom ever said Jack still has a sparkle in his eye- that's your clue that this is the right thing to do.

[Nicker]

Bump! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Many prayers for Jack, he just doesn't look ready to go.

[Seahorsefarmtobe]

Jingles!
(I have an idea of who the anonymous donor is - but regardless, what a kind thing to do!)

[Arado]

omgosh He is marked ALOT like my daughters boy. He looks so kind .We are crossing fingers/toes and jingling like mad.

[Luvinfoofy]

JINGLES for JACK!!!

Best wishes!!

[Applesauce]

Okey dokey. Here's the latest scoop. Mr. Bright Eyes is doing well. Right now our goal is to increase his corn oil intake up to about 1 1/2 cups each per feeding so the medicine will absorb better. Other than that we are good to go. He needs to be on at least that amount of oil per feeding for another day so we are looking at starting him on the meds on Friday. he's up to about 3/4 cup now. Other than that his supplements are doing down the hatch with no troubles (he's not exactly the pickiest eater http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) and he's enjoying his daily hand grazing. We're almost ready to start.

Thanks to everyone for their well wishes and prayers and especially to his guardian angel. I told his vet that he has a whole fan club cheering him on and she loves this story. It really is one for the books so let's pray for a good ending. I promise to keep everyone updated and I'll try to snap some more pictures of the pretty boy.

[MissBri]

JINGLES FOR JACK!

God Bless you and all your 'angels' Applesauce!

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

Should we formally start the "Support for Jack" clique?

Thanks for keeping us posted!

[drifter05]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DressageGeek:
Should we formally start the "Support for Jack" clique?

Thanks for keeping us posted! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we do have a "Support for Jack" clique. He must be getting a lot of positive vibes from everyone. What a sweet horse!!

[SLW]

Applesauce- back in '99 when I was treating a mare of mine for EPM the vet recommended I put her on Red Cell. The meds back then were just the liquid Sulpha/Pryro something or the other. Just a thought!

If any horse can overcome the depth of the EPM complications that you describe an Appy can, I really believe it. We own an Appy and take a lot of good natured heat from our QTR friends on the youth rodeo circuit. The Appys seem to have something deep, deep down in them that drives them on when others become fatigued.

Keep us posted! Jacks 'da man!!! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/yes.gif

[Timex]

NY jingles for Jack!! what a sweet looking guy.

[drifter05]

Wondering how Jack is doing?! I think he was supposed to start the meds on Friday.

[Applesauce]

Here's the latest. We actually decided not to start him until today. Got him all prepped with a good diet, oil, and made sure he was as healthy as he could be before starting him. This morning was his first Navigator treatment. So far, so good. He seems the same personality wise, is eating his hay and still has that spark in his eyes. No signs of diarrhea as of yet.

The next 24-48 hours will tell us if he is going to have a downward spiral or relapse. So...for everyone jingling...keep 'em coming!

[drifter05]

I'll be jingling!!!! I pray he responds well to the treatment. You hang in there Jack!!

[jilltx]

*************JINGLES************** for Jack in big old TEXAS fashion!!!

[LoriO]

Sending lots of jinlges for Jack!!

[Darden]

Jingles for Jack from NC!

[LongLeaf]

Lotsa Georgia Jingles for Jack!

Applesauce, you're a saint. What a wonderful thing you've done for this handsome fella.

[Rivermeer]

Jingles for Jack!!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Heather

[Eileen M]

From my Jack, to your Jack...............good luck !!!

[Cashela]

Jingling like crazy here...

[Fessy's Mom]

Another Jack mom, sending jingles Jack's way! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Duffy]

More jingling coming Jack's way! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[monstrpony]

Keeping all spare digits crossed for a positive outcome.

Go, Jack!

(we need a jingling icon)

[Applesauce]

I write this with the heaviest of hearts and tears in my eyes. Jack took an incredible turn for the worse tonight. At first I thought he was colicking so I immediately called his vet. She came right out and he just went on a huge downward spiral. He actually had a seizure. I called his owner and we all agreed that it was time to let him go. The light had gone from his eyes and it was time. We put him down. I cried and cried. I have saved a piece of his mane as did his vet. She said she takes pieces from the "ones that were special". I think I'm going to have a horse hair bracelet made from it. I guess I'm still in shock. He was such a fighter. He still whinnied at me up until the end when he saw me. I rubbed his head and kept telling him what a good boy he is. At least now he is free to run and gallop across the bridge and eat all the lush green grass his big heart desires.

Thank you everyone for you prayers and support. There aren't many horses that come into your life like this one so I'll cherish all the time I got to spend with him.

[Nicker]

Oh, Applesauce, I'm so sorry! You did everything you could, but sometimes it's just their time to go. (((Hugs))) to you and Jacks owner.

[CosmosMariner]

I'm so sorry that you had to make that very hard decsion. Ihad to make one similar earlier this year and it is still painful. You will miss him for a very long time. You will remeber all of the wonderful and happy memories with him. Just try to think of the good stuff.

[jilltx]

Oh my dearest Applesauce! I am so very sorry for you...for Jack and for Jack's owner!! My heart just breaks for you all. I too, was hoping for a positive outcome and in some way, I know that you all now have peace.

Godspeed dearest Jack and may heaven be blessed with your beautiful spots and bright shining eyes!!


((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))) to you dear Applesauce! You do so very much for so many in need. How truly brave and self-less you are. I want to be just like you when I grow up. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[M.K.Smith]

Sometimes no matter how hard we try, we can't save them. You gave it your all.

&lt;&lt;Hugs to yourself & Jack's owner&gt;&gt;

[Applesauce]

We are burying him tomorrow here on the farm. I am honored that his owner is letting us do that. He really was happy here. The strangest thing happened tonight. We had gone out to cover him with a tarp and I put a cooler over his head. He is behind the barn right now. The horses that are out were running around like crazy! They never do that this time of night. Even the ones in the front field that wouldn't have been able to see what was going on were running around. I picture Jack's spirit out there running around with them and that's what got them all fired up. I keep finding myself looking down to his stall. I have 2 others inside on stall rest and I heard a *thump* earlier. It made me jump because my first thought was to check on Jack to make sure he was alright and hadn't fallen. I guess it will take time before I'm used to not having him in the barn.

[hotspot]

Applesauce-

I am so sorry- along with everyone else, I was hoping for better news.

Godspeed Jack- you are a blessed horse to begin your journey with so much love.

[ol' QHJumper]

Jack was very fortunate to have two lovely people to care for him and give him their all in his time of need, as well as the BBer who helped him in his last chance.
He'll be one of the lucky ones at the bridge, waiting for *all* of his people to arrive.
I'm sure that, in the meantime, he is enjoying tearing around, spooking your other horses. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif
Applesauce, I'm giving my Pony a kiss on the nose tonight, in memory of Jack, and in hopes that he'll always have such good friends as you were for Jack.

[SLW]

Hugs to you after trying so hard to help Jack. He was a fortunate horse to have you looking out for him right to the end. I tip my hat to you and Jack.

[drifter05]

I am so sorry Applesauce. I know how hard you tried for Jack. God needed another great animals with him. His spirit runs free now. I believe the spirit of the horse sticks around for 3 days and then moves on. On the 3rd day, your horses may react as well when they see him leave. Happy trails Jack!!

[Fessy's Mom]

Oh I'm so sorry Applesauce! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif This makes me so so sad. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif RIP Jack...

[monstrpony]

It's so sad to lose a fighter. You certainly did the best for him, and that's enough. It just wasn't in the cards.

[lynntelaak]

I am sorry to hear about Jack. You did all you could and maybe Jack did this for you. You knew this was the time to let go. You did not have to agonize about whether he might improve. It is never easy, but you have done the right thing.

[Quinn]

Applesauce, so sincerely sorry. You gave Jack such a gentle exit. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff

[frugalannie]

Applesauce, thank you for being there for Jack. Clearly, his disease was more advanced than anyone thought. I'm glad you were there for him, and made the hard, but right, decision at the end.

[ESG]

Oh, Applesauce, I'm so very, very sorry. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[EqTrainer]

That was one lucky horse http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It is such a comfort to have them buried on your own farm.

[Arado]

I am sorry for your loss but glad he had you to love him.RIP Jack

[IronwoodFarm]

Courtney, I'm so sorry. At least he had your wonderful care in his last days and will be buried in a place where he was so well loved.

[Applesauce]

Thank you everyone for your sympathies. I miss him so much. It was so strange walking by his empty stall this morning to feed and bring in the other horses. He was burried early this morning and we put him in a lovely back corner of our field behind where our house is being built so I'll get to talk to him all the time. His owner called me early this morning too and he said he'll be by soon to visit his grave. I'm thinking of planting a tree of sorts over his grave. I would love something colorful (like an Appy), cheerful looking, and with a strong temperement. Any suggestions?

[Sobriska]

RIP Jack.
&lt;HUGS&gt; for you and his owner.

[Janet]

I am so sorry.

Be glad you did all you could, and that you recognized when you could do no more.

[Duffy]

He was so lucky to have you, Applesauce. RIP Jack. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

{{{{{ HUGS }}}}}

[jilltx]

Applesauce here's a link to exquisite gardens (http://www.exquisite-gardens.com/maple_trees.htm). They have some lovely images of Maple Trees which turn flame red in the fall and winter. Some have beautiful purpley foliage the rest of the year. You may check them out to see if one might do well in your area.

Hugs to you today. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[BasqueMom]

Hugs and thanks for your efforts on his behalf.

[lizathenag]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The internet is an amazing thing! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes it is. good luck!

[DressageGeek "Ribbon Ho"]

So, so, so very sorry to you, to Jack's owner, to your barn...but his spirit touched all of us, and thank you for sharing, and thank the generous BBer who went the extra distance as well..

I will also give my boy an extra hug in memory of Jack.

[cardicorgi]

I'm sorry it turned out this way - cyber hugs to you and his owner.

[Applesauce]

I have talked to the donor of the meds and we have decided to donate the rest of the medicine to my vet clinic in hopes that maybe it will be able to help a horse that just wasn't as sick as Jack. I know they will be grateful to get have it.

I guess sooner or later I'll need to go into Jack's stall and clean it out good. Can't bring myself to go in there just yet.

[drifter05]

What a good idea to donate the meds!! Jack kept you busy a good part of your day and I am sure you will feel the void for a long time to come. He sounds like he had such a positive spirit and he was so full of love....especially for you it sounds like. Hugs to you. It does get easier. My old mare died a couple of years ago and there is not a single day that goes by without me thinking about her. But, now I can think about her without crying. It will get better. Hope Jack's owner is doing O.K.

[lizathenag]

I would plant an apple tree.

[caryledee]

I'm so sorry for your loss. He was so lucky to have you taking care of him though. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif

[shiloh]

Oh 'Sauce I'm sorry. Jack was a lucky boy to have you in his life. RIP Jack

[Instant Karma]

Ohhh Applesauce... I am so sorry to hear this. We were all pulling for him, I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

You did the VERY best you could for him. I lost my best friend ever from seizures, and to witness it is an awful thing to endure.

Remember him when he was happy and healthy and galloping soundly, as he is right now, watching over you.

God Speed Jack http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[Gunnar]

Applesauce, sorry for your loss. Jack is in a better place now and he can whinny at My Gunnar who also gave me whinnies up until the end. I am at 2 weeks with Gunnar and it is getting easier. I still miss him like crazy but I take comfort in his memory and his new life free of pain!

RIP to you Jack. You are with the best of them now!

[LongLeaf]

Oh Applesauce, I'm so sorry for you and Jack's old owner.

You gave him every chance and a week of unconditional love. Bless you and bless the unidentified COTH donor for trying to save this obviously wonderful boy. He's running in horsey heaven now with our rescue, Henry whom also succumbed to this disease.

Godspeed, Jack.

[equinelaundry]

Jack obviously has touched your soul in a special way. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sadsmile.gif May you remember him with love. (((HUGS))) to you and his other person.

[Vandy]

Applesauce, I am so sorry for your loss. You did everything you could for Jack, and then some. If only every horse in need could have someone like you to care for them at the end of their days!

Not sure if they do well in your area, but how about a Birch tree? Their bark coloring has always reminded me of app markings.