Hurrican Katrina - Not sure what to do

[Bopper]

So Katrina sure looks like she is coming to visit us in La. I live west of Baton Rouge so hopefully if the storm turns we will only get minimal damage. (Keeping my finger crossed) But if it does not turn I can not decide if I should leave the boys in or out. Last time we had a storm I left them out but the barn we had at the time was not very stable. Now we have a pole barn which is great but, the south and west side are open. The winds will be coming from the west and north. We buy loose shavings and store them on the west side of the barn next to the stalls which are open stalls (solid wall up to about 4'6"). I am worried that the wind will blow shavings in the horses faces. I can put fly masks on them but they will still have to breath the dust from the shavings. I could move the horse trailer to block the shavings partially but the lay of the land makes that difficult. I could just leave them out but the storm is expected to make landfall during the day and they are used to being out only at night.

Any suggestions?

Bopper

[Bopper]

So Katrina sure looks like she is coming to visit us in La. I live west of Baton Rouge so hopefully if the storm turns we will only get minimal damage. (Keeping my finger crossed) But if it does not turn I can not decide if I should leave the boys in or out. Last time we had a storm I left them out but the barn we had at the time was not very stable. Now we have a pole barn which is great but, the south and west side are open. The winds will be coming from the west and north. We buy loose shavings and store them on the west side of the barn next to the stalls which are open stalls (solid wall up to about 4'6"). I am worried that the wind will blow shavings in the horses faces. I can put fly masks on them but they will still have to breath the dust from the shavings. I could move the horse trailer to block the shavings partially but the lay of the land makes that difficult. I could just leave them out but the storm is expected to make landfall during the day and they are used to being out only at night.

Any suggestions?

Bopper

[Delidog]

The Hurricane that is headed towards you is a CAT.4...I say put YOU in the truck,w/your Personal Belonings....attach that 2 Horse Trailer w/Your Horses In It...and Get the He## OUT of THERE!!!!
I Lived through 4 of these Bas***** Last Year....and I Lived through Andrew....Please LISTEN To ME!!!
GET OUT OF THERE!!!!

[KrazyTBMare]

EVACUATE! Get out of there while you can. It was only a Cat 1 and only over land for a short time and Miami and the surrounding areas were hit hard. Imagine what it will do now as a Cat 4. It is not safe to stay there. Load up and move out. STAY SAFE! My fiance is just south of Mobile right now for a Merchant Mariner class until tomorrow night. I wish he wasnt there but am praying he gets out of class and is able to come home before it hits.

[SLW]

You need to leave. If the area takes a nearly direct or direct hit you will be without power & safe drinking water for several days/week/weeks. Your fences will be down and shavings in your horses faces will be the least of your problems. Power lines will be down and your area will be under a mandated curfew making it difficult to come and go. Ice will be the new "gold" as everyone struggles to stay comfortable in the August heat.

I lived in Charleston during Hurricane Hugo in 1989. No power for 2 weeks and we were on the "main power line" but 3 miles away from the start up point. Curfew bite, God bless the National Guard, but it's hard to get to your place when they say "nope, go away." Keep in mind that the worst, most horrific damage (houses in the trees) was 20 miles north of Charleston where the "eye" hit.

If you must stay then leave halters w/ ID(contact info) on your horses. Leave on fly mask. Also, get a grease marker to write your name & phone number on your horses- the same grease marker endurance rides use to number those horses during rides.

Stay safe no matter what you do.

[Bopper]

I am not evacuating. I was just asking for suggestions. I have been through hurricanes (ANDREW) and I realize we will be without power for a while because we live in the country. I will make up tags for the horses tomorrow. I forgot about that - I did it for the last storm.

Actually, currently we could not even go anywhere to evacuate. We were supposed to go to Baton Rouge (let alone trying to go West) this evening to visit my parents because it would have taken us hours (normally 30 minutes) to get home because of traffic from people leaving New Orleans.

I realize that hurricanes are dangerous and, I want to keep my horses safe.

Thanks for your concern.

Bopper

[Phaxxton]

People are only recommending evacuation b/c it's the absolute safest thing you can do. A category 4 hurricane can devastate your barn, your fencing, and your home. Category 4 hurricanes cause casualties.

If you intend on staying, you'd better start stocking up on the clean drinking water. I'd be buying as much bottled water as I could get my hands on AND bottling up as much of my regular water as I could b/c the likelihood that you'll be without safe drinking water for yourself and your horses is very high.

I'd even fill up the bathtub with clean water before the storm.

You need to put your contact information ON the halters themselves - write on nylon halters with permanent markers. Tags will fall off, and anything pinned to the halter will be dangerous in the storm. You also need to write your contact information on the horses themselves - use either the grease pens or a cattle marker. The chances of them losing their halters is also high, so put your name / address / number on them as well. Fly masks are also a necessity to protect their eyes from debris.

I'd only leave them in the barn if you're 100% certain of the structure's ability to survive the storm without incident. I'd not be that confident, honestly. A category 4 hurricane is likely to destroy your fencing and also possibly your barn or house. If you are in a wooded area with large trees near the barn, be prepared for serious downed limbs - downed trees, also. Would your barn be ok if a tree fell on it?? If not, I honestly think I'd leave them outside.

Then again, what's your tree / powerline situation OUTSIDE? If you have power lines near your fields or have heavily wooded fields, your horses may be safer inside. Use your best judgment.

Here is some really good information from a FL web site about preparing horses for a hurricane. I hope you find it helpful: http://www.floridahorse.com/hurricane/hurricane.html Read carefully, as it is packed with really good information!

[Arado]

I do wish you would reconsider or at least have an alternate plan in case things continue to progress w/ the storm.Since the power is going to beout for a considerable time and it will remain hot make sure you have a lot and I mean a lot of water for horses ,dogs, cats , and you!!!
I'm sure there will be alot of damage so pack that" horsey" first aide kit and keep it handy maybe too, get some extra feed incase going to the feed store isn't an option.I couldn't reach mine after "FLoyd" due to flooding. Maybe you could consider a tarp to cover the section of the barn where the shavings will blow .I'm not sure it would do much good but if you staple it into place it may aleviate some of the blowing.
Good luck and stay safe.

[Phaxxton]

I forgot to add. Good luck and stay safe! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[SBeth]

We had a lot of fires in this area last year, and one of the things that was suggested was to write your phone number & name on the horses hooves with a permanent marker. That way if they are taken to a shelter at least you can be contacted & the horse ID'd if he wasn't already tatooed.

Although if the horse had black hooves, I'm not sure what I'd do. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Phaxxton]

Remember, also, that EVERYTHING (feed, hay, etc.) must be stored in as high and dry a place as possible in waterproof (and as far as feed is concerned, air tight) containers. Wrap your hay in tarps or plastic so it stays dry. Depending on how used to responding to such weather emergencies your area is, have at least 2 weeks (preferably more) hay / feed there. A medical emergency kit should also be placed with your feed (in waterproof containers).

Also, remember that snakes and fire ants are going to seek out the highest / dryest places, too. Be careful when going into your hay, as snakes may be hiding between the bales.

Be REALLY, REALLY careful after the storm, too. There will be powerlines down likely and debris everywhere. Even if you decide to leave the horses out during the storm, I'd keep them in for a few days afterwards until you're absolutely sure your fields are safe and secure.

[Phaxxton]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SBeth:
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Although if the horse had black hooves, I'm not sure what I'd do. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think they make silver / gold permanent markers now! Those would work!

[alabama]

You could haul up to me and stay if you needed to. Wouldn't be a star five hotel but you could get you and your horses out. It's all outside turnout but they seem to do just fine in storms.

Ivan and Dennis were pretty bad even as far inward as I am. I won't turn down anyone looking for a place to go.

I put break away halters with my name/number/address/etc on them if I ever have notice of this kind of thing.

Honestly, if you don't have a place to go - contact me - thrasher @ hiwaay dot net.

[OldLadyOnATB]

Hey Guys....I think the Swamp is getting ready to be wetter! I live about 40 miles north of New Orleans (about 15 miles south of Baton Rouge). My horses will be out in the pasture here at the house.

Their halters have name tags but saying a prayer that no trees will fall on the fence, etc.

Keep us in your prayers...if the storm comes here, hubby will HAVE to go to work. He works at one of the plants on the Mississippi River. His office is about 100 feet from the levy. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I am a Red Cross shelter volunteer as we have a shelter at our church. If they open our shelter, I will be taking the kids with me. Unfortunately, no animlas allowed. The dogs will be with the neighbor.

If I lose power, which I am certain I will, I will try somehow to check in....

Good luck to everyone...New Orleans residents...please leave NOW!

Elizabeth

[J Swan]

If possible - don't let the shavings get wet if they are going to be any where near the barn.

A few years ago a hurricane came through Virginia and a barn burned down because folks tried to keep the shavings dry by moving them into the barn. Shavings got wet - spontaneous combustion. Horses died.

If you've been through hurricanes before you know what to do - the only suggestions I can give is to buy snake shot for your pistol, hook up the trailer just in case you DO need to evacuate, store water - and you may also want to test your well water before drinking it after the storm.

[June]

Please be aware that Katrina has been upgraded to as Cat 5 Hurricane.

That is catastrophic. Emphasis added.

Working with FEMA last fall, and talking to folks affected by the storms last fall, I second the view you should evacuate if at all possible.

If you aren't going to evacuate, do a search on COTH for the hurricane thread from last year; there was a lot of good information, some of which has already been shared with you by COTH folks on this thread.

Prayer Continues,
June

[baileygreyhorse]

It looks like in Baton Rouge, your going to get the worst of it Monday afternoon/evening. I know that they haven't forecast it, but I think it's going to stay a little west of New Orleans. That's putting it in a direct line for you. Stock up on as much water as you can. Put clean bags in your trash cans and fill them. Same thing with every bucket you can get. Of course tags on the horses. You can also put tags in their manes and tails. I used plain paper, a Sharpie marker and clear box tape. It held pretty well. You also might want to throw the main breaker for your barn, just to minimize fire risk. If your house has natural gas service, turn that off too. When I was a kid, we lived on the coast of NC and I remember many times battening down for various storms. But even my grandma would leave for a Cat.5. Even a Cat.4 We're thinking of you.

[WarHorse]

Katrina is now a Cat 5.

I really, really wish you would evacuate.

[onelanerode]

I've been through 7 hurricanes now that have come through Eastern NC. None of those was higher than a 3, and we had a LOT of damage from those.

Please notify friends/kin who are not in danger where you are, how many people will be staying at your property during the storm, how many horses you have, and any medical conditions/medications you or any other person with you may have. You may also want to put this information in a plastic baggie and keep it on your body just *in case* anything should happen to you and you're unable to give medical personnel important information.

Fill bathtubs with water, and fill every container you have with water. Tie down EVERYTHING, whether you think it may move or not.

With 160-mph sustained winds, your lives are at stake here. Please, please leave ... no property is worth your life or the lives of your loved ones. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[chai]

Bopper, I just heard on the weather channel that Baton Rouge is not far enough away from landfall to be considered safe. This is a big, strong storm and I beg you to consider evacuating with your horses.

[tirnanog]

if you want to come to Houston, I have extra stalls available and big pastures. Your welcome to stay with us. I don't know if it's feasable but you are welcome.

[Bopper]

Thanks for all of the information. One problem that we will have (this whole area) is that because we have had near drought conditions off and on for 3 years now many trees are weak so we expect to be without power for about 2 weeks. We are filling up everything with water and just hoping for the best. As long as the storm stays east of us we are better off because the western side is less damaging.

Good luck to everyone in the path especially those in the New Orleans area. If they take a direct hit it could take months to recover.

Bopper

[Cashela]

Bopper, I really think you need to take yourself and your animals to safety. This isn't something to fool around with.

I will be praying for you and your horses.

[RHF_cSi]

WISH ALL OF US LUCK HERE IN BILOXI MS!!!! I pray that my wonderful stable Roundhill Farm is okay and i wish beyond wish the military would let me and my husband and animals evacuate!!! I just hope to God that this storm is quick because it is a CAT 5 now and will cause catastophic damage....I just hope my buddy Secor makes it through this horrible hurricane and to all of you in New Orleans GET OUT OF THERE IT WILL FLOOD!!! Love you all prayers and good thoughts for everyone

Jingles wouldn't hurt either but i think the all mighty Jingle may not be enough......... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Kate66]

I can also offer some pasture space, with large run-ins, for a few horses if anyone wants to make it over to the Houston area. If you are in the NO area and want to evacuate please PT me with a phone number where I can contact you....but just pack up and start heading over here. I could also accomodate at least one person, possibly two.

[carolprudm]

Bopper, RHF, good luck and PLEASE PLEASE get out if you possibly can.

[CindyGen]

I have empty stalls and plenty of pasture space in the Durham, NC area

[missgrey]

the storm is NOT messing around, You really need to leave!

[Zydeco Farm]

Hi guys, you may find this link to a weather forum in New Orleans intersting and quite sobering. If you click on the individual links on the post, you can see anticipated impact from this monster storm. I think the track it plots is pretty close to the current track by the National Weather Service. I'm located about 50 miles north of New Orleans and will be moving my horses to a concrete block barn this afternoon. Planning on driving about 25 miles further north for the peak of the storm armed with rope and chain saws so that we can get back in quickly.

http://www.wwltv.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1657

I'll be praying. Good luck to all and post when you can!

Terri

[shakeytails]

Please evacuate! I have an empty house and 5 stall barn in KY about an hour south of Louisville if anybody needs a place to stay. redbriar @ alltel.net or PT for a phone #.

edited to add- It's about an 11 hr drive from Baton Rouge. Your dogs and other critters are welcome as well and we have plenty of hay and/or pasture!

[MistyBlue]

Prayers and well wishes for all of you in this storm's path. I've been watching it online and it looks terrifyingly large and strong. Please evacuate if it's at all possible. Sustained 160 mph winds will not be survivable by any loose horses, and most barns won't survive that kind of wind either.
Please update us on your conditions afterwards as soon as possible.

[FlightCheck]

Adding to the list of "please get out"...

If your power is only out for 2 weeks, you will be Very Lucky.

When I had the farm, my concrete block barn was "hurricane proof" - certified to 165mph (just like the house). I would NOT have stayed if a Cat 5 was coming - and we rode out several small hurricanes/tropical storms in it.

But if you are DETERMINED to stay, I echo what everyone else has said, PLUS:

*know how to get in contact with your vet
*if you can put your feed in am/pm ziplocks, it will help
*fill up the 50gallon drums with lots of water
*remember, you may not be able to get OUT anywhere if the trees/debris block your roads...
*I'm sure you have batteries and candles and gas for the gas grill, right? And a hand can opener...

**WARNING*** RANT AHEAD***

AND - as a former police officer and wife of a deputy who almost got killed rescuing people who REFUSED TO EVACUATE in the Fires of ''98...

Don't expect help to come out during the storm -or for anyone else to risk THEIR life for yours afterwards....I know that sounds harsh, but nothing enrages me more than people who refuse to evacuate and then expect help when it is "worse than they thought"....

We'll be thinking of you...with good thoughts and prayers......

[Eleanor]

Why would you put yourself and your horses in damger?

Be smart and evacuate!

[Zydeco Farm]

Hey Flight Check, I can identify. My hubby is with state police and he left me yesterday morning. Not sure when I will get to see him again. He commutes and works well west of the anticipated path, so I'll be less worried about him then he will be about me.

And to all posters, I'd like to make another observation from one who is choosing to stay near home. It is with fear and trepidation that I have made this decision. Many of us do not have the means to evacuate multiple horses, so we do what we can to make the best of a bad situation with our first goal to keep human life safe followed closely by concern for our horses. This is a VERY stressful time for those of us in harm's way. Positive thought and suggestions are really appreciated. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[carosello]

OMG people take care! As a northerner I just cant wrap my mine around wanting to stay. Different strokes I guess. Please be careful. I just remember seeing pictures of all the hovoc the last few years...dogs left in dog runs who have drowned. Animals loose & injured(including those from the zoo). People unable to get power & water and it was HOT. Last year we used our fleet to truck generators to FL but it was a while before they could even get there because there was no fuel and the roads were blocked.

[pmc]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlightCheck:

Don't expect help to come out during the storm -or for anyone else to risk THEIR life for yours afterwards....I know that sounds harsh, but nothing enrages me more than people who refuse to evacuate and then expect help when it is "worse than they thought"....

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent point, Flight Check, and one that can't be emphasized enough!

Some may argue that rescue personnel should take the danger of performing their duties as part of the job, AND THEY DO!!

The difference here is that the people that will need to be rescued had plenty of warning about impending disaster, and, for whatever reason, did not get themselves out of harm's way. This is a totally different scenario than in the case of a tornado or earthquake, for example, where there is little or no warning, and therefore, no opportunity to evacuate.

For God's sake - GET OUT!!!! Even if this means doing the best you can for your horses and then getting *yourself* to safety. We all love our horses, but you'll be of no use to them if you don't make it through the storm because you stayed to ride it out with them.

[floridajumper]

Last year our vet came out and gave us LOADS of meds before the storm. We had them on I believe ace during the storm to keep them calm.they stayed indoors. Don't forget to have first aid supplies on hand. Your vet might not be able to get to you after the storm. You will probably have no phone service. After last year and now haveing gone thru this.... I would evacuate.... It's not too late.

[SLW]

Probably too late but if possible get as much sterno as you can for heating up food/coffee etc. Along w/ bottled water, sterno tends to be scarce when bad storms are forecast.

Will keep all of you in harms way in my thoughts for a safe tomorrow.

[vineyridge]

Besides water, the two essentials for living out a catastrophe are a generator that can run your well and a good quality, gasoline chain saw.

Can't survive the aftermath without them.

I, too, recommend evacuation. Even in Vicksburg, Ms, which is about 150-200 miles north of the coast and right on the river, they are forecasting winds in excess of 70 mph.

[carolprudm]

For those of you planning to sit it out to protect your horses and property, if it really gets bad just what do you think you will be able to do. I've been in 3 bad hurricanes, a direct hit from Carol as a child and "brushes" from Agnes and David. When the power goes out the trees start falling and the water starts rising there is not a D^$%@# thing you can do. In Agnes one of the local strip malls burned to the water line.
I have 6 horses, dogs cats sheep and goats.
And a 2 horse trailer. It's a horrible delema.

[floridajumper]

As I sit here watching the news I heard the mayor of New Orleans has just issued a MANDATORY EVACUATION of New Orleans. Good luck with whatever you decide. Please keep us updated when you can.

[Barn Bum]

Hi Bopper. As you may already know, this storm has now turned to a Catagory 5. It's understandable that you don't want to leave, but please, for your and your animal's safety, pack up and get out of there! This storm could turn at the last minute and turn into an even more devastating storm, but then again, it could turn away. But to be on the safe side, evacuate even just to the next town. Which ever you choose, hope you and your horses stay safe! Good luck http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Member of the No Horses To Slaughter and Mighty Thoroughbred Cliques

[Cartier]

Bopper… we hear this is a Cat 5. It's time to be blunt. People on this board would like you and your horses out of there… what is the hold up? DO you need a horse trailer or trailers? How many horses (and other animals do you have?) There may be people on this forum close to you who can help you get out. I’d even come get you if I could.

[shawnee_Acres]

I would leave now while you have the opportunity. Howeer, if you do not be warned this rain will cause MAJOR flooding in your area. We lived (barely) thru the flooding of Hurricane Floyd in eastern NC MANY MANY animals drowned, THOUSANDS of lviestock were killed, many died from being trapped in barns or small pastures where they could not get to higher ground if you MAUT stay put your hroses in a field NOT A BARN with the highest ground there is. I never keep my hroses in a barn during hurriances and we have many of them in eastern NC

[Louise]

I'm going to add one more thing to your list, and its one that each and every one of us hates to even think about.

If you are going to stay, make sure you have something that will enable you to euthanize one or more of your animals, should it be necessary.

Gawd, I hate to even say that, or think about it, but, you never can tell what sort of catastrophic injuries might occur, and you will not want them to suffer needlessly.

[FLF]

Wow - first of all good luck to all that are going to be hit by this storm. To those knowingly in the path of imminent destruction, while you putting yourself at risk is your business, it's heartbreaking to know your animals will likely suffer because of it. There have been some very generous offers of shelter on here to evacuate animals and people.

Someone else mentioned knowing how to get in touch with your vet - in reality you won't be able to. Phones lines, cell towers all power will be out. This may sound horrible - but be sure you have some method of putting down animals that may sustain major injuries and will otherwise lay there in pain until they die. What will you do if your barn collapses on them? Or even a tree - or more likely they just injure themselves trying to run away in a blind panic?

Thy're saying on CNN now that it could take up to 4 months to just pump the water back out of NO - regardless of how hard the outlying areas get hit, the limited resources will all be diverted to the biggest crisis area.

Please keep your animals safe, it is your obligation.

[pmc]

A horrible but compassionate addition to the supply list, Louise.

[hunt_jump]

Our horses stayed in the barn for Charley and Jeanne last year and were evacuated for Frances. However, our barn is 50 miles inland from the east coast (and probably 100 miles north of where Frances and Jeanne made landfall) and well over 100 miles inland from where Charley came aground. Given that we had part of the barn roof ripped off during Charley and enough trees down that the only way in/out of the farm was to walk/cut your way in/out - and that was from a CAT 1 or 2. During Andrew we knew people in Miami that lost horses to barn roofs falling in. A barn, if it is not hurricane code for 200mph winds, in a CAT 5 can be a death trap. I don't know that turning out is any safer, but I would consider it depending on the trees in the area and the setup of the property. I would also be concerned about flooding if you are low-lying (is there anywhere in souther LA that isn't low-lying).

Things to do in preparation are to take inside anything that could be picked up by tornados (and you will have tornados) and turned into missiles. We lost a solid stucco cement block wall around the pool at my condo not once, but twice in the hurricanes last year. Also, have meds on hand for the horses and cut down/out the grain (horses are prone to colic with this type of pressure change). Have Lots and Lots and Lots of water. Fill everything you have with drinking water for you and the horses and water for the toilets. Even if the water is restored quickly (assuming you are not on a well) it is often not safe to drink. Have bleach on hand and know how to use it to create clean drinking water. Clip your phone number into your horses if you can, if not (or in addition) paint it on their sides large enough to read from 50-100ft. Often if horses get out during the storm people cannot get close enough to them after the storm to read a number in the mane or on the hoof - these animals have been through a traumatic event if it comes to that and are scared. Also, put them in leather halters with waterproof information attached to the halter and braided in the mane to identify the horse.

Honestly, forget trying to heat food - go with can goods and dry foods (bread/peanut butter) that do not need refrigeration and heating - that is of course unless you are like most Floridians these days and have your own personal generator http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I honestly agree with everyone else that recommend evacuation. So far this looks to be one of the strongest storms in my memory (granted I am under 30, but I remember Andrew well). At 175 MPH winds currently you are talking about gusts likely well over 200mph - I just heard that this is much like an F3 tornado sustained for hours!! Beyond that the hurricane winds stretch over 100 miles from the eye (which itself this am was 20 miles wide).

Good luck and Stay Safe whatever decision you make.


BTW, everyone else prepare for another hike in gas prices as much of the fuel for the nation comes through or from the gulf and into ports that are and have been closed this week.

[hunt_jump]

Very true Louise. On the other hand, DO NOT GO OUTSIDE DURING THE STORM!!! There are always a number of people killed during storms because they insist on going outside to secure something or check on a fallen tree on the house etc. Once the storm is there your time is up - whetever is still loose should remain loose. Your time to take care of the damage including injuries is after the storm is over.

[JanWeber]

Not to add to the anxiety level, but please have a firearm available in case one of your horses is seriously injured and needs to be put down. Read the thread from the lady in Wisconsin who was fortunate enough to have a kind stranger put her filly out of pain after their tornado experience.

[shakeytails]

A link to hurricane preparedness from FloridaHorse- http://www.floridahorse.com/hurricane/hurricane.html

[anita m]

I had a friend that lived through Andrew and their house literally fell down around them. The only reason they survived was because they all huddled in an interior windowless room. Once the roof comes off, the drywall gets wet and falls apart. Everything becomes a torpedo. The casualty rate in the midst of a hurricane of this size and intensity, with a lot of rainfall is very high. Your horses will likely be injured at the very least. Your home and buildings and landscaping will likely be obliterated. Your area will be decalred a disaster area. It may look like a bomb exploded. PLEASE, if you haven't already done so, LEAVE. PEOPLE may die as a result of this storm. Do you want to be one of them?

[carolprudm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zydeco Farm:
Hi guys, you may find this link to a weather forum in New Orleans intersting and quite sobering. If you click on the individual links on the post, you can see anticipated impact from this monster storm. I think the track it plots is pretty close to the current track by the National Weather Service. I'm located about 50 miles north of New Orleans and will be moving my horses to a concrete block barn this afternoon. Planning on driving about 25 miles further north for the peak of the storm armed with rope and chain saws so that we can get back in quickly.

http://www.wwltv.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1657

I'll be praying. Good luck to all and post when you can!

Terri </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Unless you have a very strong roof the barn could be a death trap.

[beausgirl]

Why are you staying? Do you need transport for your animals? I am sure that there are people here who would help. If I lived closer I would. Never underestimate Mother Nature. She'll win every single time.

Are you going to be able to live with yourself if something should happen to your animals?

I agree that you will need to have the ability to humanely put down an animal if necessary.

[carosello]

They are also telling people on CNN to have CASH, do not depend on your credit card or debit card as power will be out for some time!


Please if you can just move them 50 miles further north. They are saying on the Weather channel that west isnt going to cut it either...go north!

[SLW]

Bopper- one last thing in case you are still checking in. During Hugo the radio and t.v. stations & broadcast towers were physically damaged and not able to report any news once the storm made landfall. Therefore, no matter how many batteries one had one did not get news. Keep this in mind if you stay- if damage occurs outsiders and national guard may be your first source of news and updates a day or so after the storm hits. This was the case in Charleston.

Again, stay safe and hang in there. We will all be waiting for news of your safety.

[Andrew]

FIRST, our thoughts are with you which is going to be catostrophic...

I JUST got to work and got out of the Homesead area of Mimai, in which we all didn't take head to a Cat 1 of Katrina. We all are of the belief that it was a cat 2 that hit the South Miami Homestead/Redland area. I will not have power more than likely till Firday...


NOW....EVERYON....PACK UP AND HEAD AS FAR NORTHWEST YOU CAN. Andrew was a Cat 5 without the rain, this is a Cat 5 WITH RAIN!!! NO BODY should brave this storm out NO BODY....

GOD SPEED TO ALL OF YOU!!!!!

[Arado]

Louise that is a sobering thought. If there is any chance for you to evac PLEASE do it.They are likening this to Andrew only worse.I've lived through enough to know there isn't a snowballs chance in the "bad place" I would stay wher you are. Please get out. BE SAFE.
Does anyone have an "AFTER" PLAN FOR CONTACTING US??[COTHERS] I wold be glad to pt my cell to anyone that would like to use me as a contact.I will do what I can to help or pass along info.

[JulieMontgomery]

I am sickened at watching all of this being shown on CNN and other cable networks .... I am so terrified for all in the area to be affected.

God bless you all.

[equest]

This is frightening. I lived in New Orleans for eight years and Lafayette Louisiana for one. Both areas flooded terribly even in fairly mundane rainstorms. If you must stay, please undertake all necessary preparations for the safety of yourself and your animals.

[hunt_jump]

Andrew, are y'all ok down in Miami? It really is true what the state officials said the other day about there is no such thing as a minor hurricane. I am sure they are already in your area, but I did see numerous power trucks headed south Friday evening on I95 in Brevard county so I hope you get lucky and get your power back quickly. Unfortunately it does take time when over a million people are without power and the pole have to be replaced or repaired. It is scary to think that the winds are 100 mph higher right now than they were when the storm came through south FL.

[Bugs-n-Frodo]

My sister-in-law and her husband just evacuated New Orleans. This is going to be a mean storm. Please evacuate... I am very worried about this. If you need help, please do not be afraid to ask for it here. There are many wonderful people on this BB who would lend a hand. I am too far away or I would do what I could. Be safe... Jingling for you and yours.

[Tucked_Away]

I'm sitting here reading Google News and already seeing casualties.

Please get out of there.

[RacetrackReject]

I just got a phone call from a friend who said they are out of gas in and around NO, and that many people aren't going to be ableto make it out. Has anyone else heard that?
The friend called to tell me to go fill up my vehicle and any extra gas cans ASAP. I'm on the TX/LA border, so while not in the thick of it, tornadoes will probably be our problem. This same friend said there are some predictions that the hurricane may come further West than anticipated as well.

[Andrew]

We are inconvienced with this HOWEVER, those in the " Bayou Cone" PLEASE, PLEASE,PLEASE, get out.

They totally misforcasted Katrina here in Florida. She was to make landfall in Ft. Lauderdale,but made land fall in North Miami Beach and headed directly South. The folks in Key West, really weren't worried as all the all the modles showed it coming in and going west across the state and were severly hit Friday morning.

The power crews have been doing a great job trying to get everybody online and think they are working extra hard to get all of us online before they need to head to Bayou!!!

[Phaxxton]

This thread now has me in tears b/c I am terrified for you and your animals, Bopper.

Please take one of the extremely generous people up on their offers. I know you know that a hurricane is dangerous, but my god... you have a way out - TAKE IT!!!

[pmc]

I can only hope that the absence of the OP from here since this morning means that she's decided to get out of the storm's way.

If you're outta there, Bopper, Godspeed!

If not, I pray you and your horses are spared.

[Tucked_Away]

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006664.html#91592

...do they usually use phrases in weather warnings like "certain death"?

Good luck, people. Take care, okay?

[Pie in the Sky]

I was a n instrucor at City Park Stables in the Heart of new orleans years ago.. I am in horror is i sit here safe worried sick.. every one will not be able to get out and realisically a major precentage of the population will refuse to leave. some ofthe most important people in my life are hunkered down to protect there oun... I am just ill. however Im sure the horses a t city park will be ok they have hauled them all out in the past for emergencys and Im sure they are set up to do it again .. my love to all those who stay. and god speed to those trying to leave...and to those of you casting stones you can not know the reasons unless you are there.. If I were there I probably not leave ether.. all my love and god speed..

[maxxtrot]

please, please anyone in the path of this storm GET OUT!!! i have lived in florida most of my life and this is no joke. a cat 5 storm is going to be really bad news. we are feeling the rain all day today from this storm that is how big across this thing is! please get out now while you can. i have plenty of pasture space here in ocala if you need it.

[macmtn]

quote"Im sure the horses a t city park will be ok they have hauled them all out in the past for emergencys and Im sure they are set up to do it again"
I too used to live there and rode in the park. They will be long gone. I am hoping the Zoo got all their critters out also... http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/sigh.gif

[jester1113]

"A category 5 hurricane is a bit like a F3 or F4 tornado, but in this case one that cuts a swathe up to 30 miles wide."

[hunt_jump]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> to those of you casting stones you can not know the reasons unless you are there </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Though we are not the ones making the choice in this particular situation, several of us on this thread saying GET OUT have been faced with the difficult decision of leaving or staying. I know a lot of people who chose to stay on the beach during Jeanne last Fall here in FL (including my grandparents). Many I know were simply out of money and energy after so many storms in such a short period of time. They were lucky as Jeanne was not as strong and stayed south of our immediate area. My parents and I tried to get my grandparents to leave and went to bed knowing that they might not make it through the night. That didn't happen, and they were very lucky, but it could have been very different. IMO it was a very stupid risk to take. Had they taken a hit from this type CAT 5 they would be dead - it is that simple. I am very aware that their building, as with much of the newer construction in my area, is Miami/Dade code which means it is built to withstand 150mph winds - this hurricane currently has 175-184mph winds and strengthening. It will kill people - that I have no doubt of (actually it has already killed 7 or more in FL). I have been to NO and my sister's best friend and roommate from college is from NO, I know that there are a ton of people in the city who cannot evacuate because they simply don't have the means. What I can't get over is the fact that the emergency services hasn't prepared better for this in a city that will not only flood but will remain flooded (at least that is how it seems from watching the national coverage which can skew things at times). Again, my thoughts are with those in the area, but given the option of getting out take it (of course by now it is probably too late to make that decision).

[CosmosMariner]

I will add my vote to a long list of others. Get out! The storm coming at you is a cat 5. The levee system is predicted to fail. If it fails New Orleans will flood.
I have heard that people are trapped because of the gas situation. I have also heard that some are trapped becuase they have no transportation. All of the planes are booked and tha taxis also. I hope that the feds will step in and help any who want to get out.

[alabama]

Besides being scared to death for all the people staying, I'm sorry I've never been to NO. I'm not sure it's ever going to be the same. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[mairzeadoats]

I'll be praying for all of you in this storm's path. Not only is it now category 5 with 165 mph winds, it is *big*. 100 miles of hurricane force from the eye. If you're anywhere near where it lands, I wouldn't expect a barn to survive it, or necessarily a house.

I really wish some of you had evacuated. If there's any way you still can -- by side roads instead of main highways? -- please, please, please load up your horses and do it.

Like the other's said...paint name/addy/phone on your horses. Tags and halters may get blown right off.

They're predicting maybe a million trees down, so store enough food and water for yourself and your critters for at least 2-3 weeks (revised from 1+ week), if not a month.

They're also predicting lots of tornados with it, so inside vs outside for the horses...take that into consideration.

With wire fencing...any way you can pull that stuff down now? Or will the wind mostly blow around the wires...until the posts go?

My gut tells me this is going to be a really, really, really bad one...If I weren't all the way heck up north, I'd offer shelter for as many as I could cram in... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Alabama...same feeling here. That NO might not even exist after this.

I hope we're not hearing back from Bopper and others because they decided to get out while they still could...

[HiJumpGrrl]

i am nauseated watching the coverage. my thoughts and prayers are with everyone in the path of this storm.

[SimplySarah]

Those unable to get out of N'awlins because of lack of transportation may have the Superdome opened up to them, from what the mayor has said. A good friend of mine is in the medical field, and she was unable to evacuate because she is a nurse, and so she, her young son, her husband, and her mother-in-law will be riding it out in one of the hospitals- 4th floor and above.
I'm getting goosebumps, because a month or two ago, there was a documentary on either NGC or the Discovery channel, in which the universitys in LA who have done all these forcast models for what would happen if the big one ever hit the Big Easy, and the amount of devestation that they predicted does not bode well for those who are staying.
Shepard Smith from FNC is in N'awlins right now and was interviewing people outside of one of the daiquri shops earlier and it seems that a lot of people just don't believe that it is actually going to happen or that if it does, the levee system will hold. I was thinking, Sure, the levee system will hold and won't budge, but it won't matter much since there will be possibly 12ft of storm surge going over the top of it.
I've got family just SW of NO and I hope that they've evacuated.
My thoughts and prayers are with you all.

Please, if you are staying, be as safe as possible.

[beausgirl]

I am sick over the animals that people will leave behind. The herds of cattle and goats and sheep, left to fend for themselves, the dogs and cats and horses. I hope all goes well, althought, I really don't think that it will.

If anyone needs shelter for an extended period of time for thier animals, I offer twenty acres of pasture and a few clean stalls, and the ability to help with the dogs and cats.

[Arado]

SS I am watching the same thing [fnc] it is SCARY.They are saying no wooden built structures will be left standing and devastating damage to concrete buildings. The storm is 400 miles wide http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[gulp] I have a cousin in Tn and they are headed to Nc as they are expect heavy rains, some flooding and possble mudslides.
I worry about how well the "dome" will hold up .Does anyone have any info on that??
If there is a way to get out they want people in "the 3 states" to evacuate.PLEASE be safe get out.

[pmc]

Katrina's winds have "diminished" to 165mph. Still a solid Cat 5, though, with plenty of time to either strengthen or diminish.

Keeping my fingers crossed...

[Lori T]

I live in Winter Park, just north of Orlando. We were hit very hard last year by Charlie. I have never been so scared in my life! Thankfully we did better than most of our neighbors and our horses at the time were in Sorrento, NW of here, and had little effect from the storm.
I highly encourage you to evacuate with your animals NOW. This is not a storm to take chances with. It already has caused deaths here in south Florida.
I too, worry about the animals left behind. I hope and pray that everybody survives.
Lori
http://www.calypsofarm.piczo.com

[allicolls Aefvue Farms Deep South]

Keep our horses in your prayers please. I'm from Mobile and our horse lives with the trainer in Fairhope. My house and horse will be in the front east quadrant, which of course is the most dangerous. We're expecting to escape a direct hit but of course it will still be rough. I am in school at Auburn so I'm safe; my family is safe in Jackson, MS. Our horse is staying at the barn in Fairhope. There are 35 horses and it is impractical to try to get them out. We got 20 of them to Atlanta for Dennis and thankfully it was a false alarm for our area. There is no way for us to get all the horses out this time so we aren't taking any of them.

I'm not worried about the house...it's withstood worse. And the barn is pretty sturdy: it was fine through Ivan last year. Just pray for everyone in our area!

As for all the folks in Southern Louisiana - you are in my prayers. I would not want to be in New Orleans right now. Glad to be safe in Auburn....

[Susan P]

This is the most frightening thread I've ever read. I hope Bopper has taken her family and animals and gone north. This is no game, this is death by wind or water, get out. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[D'habi Arabians]

There are things all of us can do. Fox News is forecasting dire events. I have heard the water is going to be 40 feet high, not waves but water coming in 40 feet in height.

What needs to be done is gather together the names and addresses of all people living in the area you know about; list the animals, not just horses; horses should also be by age, height, color, markings.

Next the vets that post should get together and make a list of all the meds that will most likely be needed.

Next we can all act together to find out the main agency besides FEMA operating in both the Louisiana areas and the Mississippi/Alabama areas.

New Orleans most likely won't allow anyone in the area until Wednesday morning as the winds and hurricane won't be gone until sometime Tuesday afternoon.

We can all start lining up whomever/where ever for donations for food, etc for the animals in need.

Ablackhorse is working on that now, not just Arabians but all horses and all animals.

We can't wait because the need is going to be immediate.

[mairzeadoats]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have heard the water is going to be 40 feet high, not waves but water coming in 40 feet in height. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That number probably is because, according to the National Hurricane Center, parts of NO are 20 feet below sea level and the tidal surge could be, in places, up to 20 feet above sea level.

[JulieMontgomery]

And make time to GIVE BLOOD. Blood supplies will be critically low as units are shipped south from all parts of the country.

Everyone who is healthy can do this!

I now have adult-onset Type II diabetes .... if your blood sugar is under control, will they take you as a donor?

[carosello]

Well something might need to be done like truck in hay at the very least. anyone north who has hay? I guess we will have to wait and see what happens...but I can see a need for that in the next week or so. How we get it there will be another problem of course.

[RacetrackReject]

If anyone wants to donate, volunteer, or do something to help the animal victims of the storm, please contactEARS (http://www.uan.org/ears/). They are set up to deal with these types of situations and will be able to tell you how you can best help. Think of them as the Red Cross for animals.

Edited to add that I read this on the EARS forum:
"The SPCA of New O's moved animal to Houston,Tx 2 days ago in prep for the storm. All shelters that we know have plans to move animals from the path of this storm. Mobile, and other shelters in the areas have MOU's with northern
shelters" Someone also said that they can't evacuate the zoo.

[SimplySarah]

I'm in central Arkansas, and though there isn't much I can do at this moment as Katrina approaches, anything I can do once she has come and gone, I'm in. Hot Springs is home to Oaklawn track, and lots of horse people, so maybe I can help get something going here- if there isn't already something going on.

She's coming, and there's not much to do right now- what's going to happen is going to happen. But like someone else said, we can prepare for the aftereffects.

[jester1113]

Blood Donation Eligibility Guidelines: (http://www.redcross.org/services/biomed/0,1082,0_557_,00.html)

GENERAL GUIDELINES
To give blood for transfusion to another person, you must be healthy, be at least 17 years old or 16 years old if allowed by state law, weigh at least 110 pounds, and not have donated blood in the last 8 weeks (56 days). "Healthy" means that you feel well and can perform normal activities. If you have a chronic condition such as diabetes or high blood pressure, "healthy" also means that you are being treated and the condition is under control.

[JulieMontgomery]

Thanks for the info on diabetes .......

[SLW]

Purina Feeds sent in truckloads of dry dog and cat food to the Charleston area after Hugo. Bags were opened and set around so that lost and dazed companion animals could at least find food. Probably helped w/ stopping agression towards people since they were not quite so hungry. I suspect we'll see something like that occur after this storm makes landfall.

[sleepdeprived]

Does anyone know what they did at the track in New Orleans? Did everyone leave?

[Horsaholic]

I will be praying hard for all the people and animals in Katrina's path. I am so scared for you all...

[Aptor Hours]

I hope that everbody and all the animals are ok. This must be so scarey http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[Rivermeer]

Hello all,

My mom surived Charlie, and she turned the horses loose. She says the main thing is that with the storm is to get to high ground. If you must remain to go into a room with no windows and keep a mattress with you to keep falling debris from falling on you. Also(I just got off the phone with her) she said to have lots of $$$$$ on you, because you need it if no one has power to process credit cards. Good luck everyone!

Heather

[Pie in the Sky]

well not to send more bleek news...but to all those yelling get out get out.. one of my good friends left new orleas at 11 am and had made it 20 miles its 6 pm there now...oh and my dearest of friends is still home he is waiting for an emergency Fuel truck...thast dont have enought gas to leave the parrish (normally bikers but will not leave without there cats)... all my love and god speed.

[Candle]

Oh my gosh, this thread has me in tears and I don't even know anyone in the area. I have extra hay this year, and if I can help anyone out, please please pm me.

[Alagirl]

What to do?
Well, Walk on Sunshine, of course!
The only thing to do whan Katrina and the Waves crash on shore! http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/lol.gif


~~~~I am walking on sunshine...lalalalala~~~~~

OK, all kidding aside, jingles for all in the path!

[Oldenburg Mom]

Has anyone heard from Bopper? Does anyone KNOW Bopper?

Bopper, if you are lurking, please let us know your situation. Can anyone on the boards do anything to help?

[KrazyTBMare]

Tell me about the highway situation! My fiance left just outside of Mobile around 3:30pm today. He said they were going 20' and then stopping. The highest speed was 30mph. Once he got into Florida he said they had both lanes open going east, but only one lane in each section (like one lane in the East bound and one lane in the West bound) were open due to construction. He doubts he'll be back in Jacksonville before 1am.

My prayers are with everyone (and their animals!!) who is about to endure this storm. Jacksonville has seen some bad things last year but its been a long time before we were directly hit. At least it was before I moved here. I cant even imagine. Please do the best you can to your abilities to get safe!

[rthonor]

My brother left NO at 8 this morning and at 1:00 he was only in Metarie which is 20 miles outside of NO. He said the traffic was moving at 4 miles per hour. Now he is closer to Baton Rouge (around 4:00) and he said the traffic is moving faster but still slow.

[horseyfolks]

anyone who has any doubts about if they should evacuate, please see the "IMPORTANT to those in the path of Katrina" thread....

Don

[Hidden Hill Farm]

Thinking good thoughts for you Bopper and anyone else in the path of this storm.

I'm with Oldenburg Mom. If there's anything at all that we can do, please email or call. Phone numbers on website www.hiddenhillfarm.us (http://www.hiddenhillfarm.us) We're in the Raleigh-Durham area.

[Bopper]

Thank you for all of your concerns. I live North West of New Orleans so we are in much better shape than they are. Please pray for them. New Orleans will NEVER be the same after this storm. We have all discussed and feared a storm like this for years and N O is not going to fare well.

Right now they are forcasting several inches of rain and winds of about 60 miles per hour in our area. We live in an area with good drainage.

I will hopefully be back on line later next week.

Bopper

[Oldenburg Mom]

Bopper,

When are they expecting it will be "over" for you?

Please keep checking in as long as you can ...huge major jingles coming your way ...

[rthonor]

I live about 4 hours north of NO and already, the town is filling up with people. Gas and groceries are running short even here....my brother said that in NO he was very luck to get gas before heading out.

[Jaegermonster]

Everybody leaving from that area needs to go North. The roads east and west are gridlocked and nearly out of gas. If you have gas cans take them with you and go North as far and as fast as you can. After the storm subsides you can work on getting back where you need to be, but for the time being haul ass north as far and as fast as you can.

[imissvixen]

This is a very sad situation for New Orleans. There are a couple of hundred thousand people who couldn't even begin to think of getting out. The Superdome can't begin to be able to hold them all. There is really only one way out of town -- I-10 either east or west so I imagine it must be a nightmare. I think Bopper made a good decision to stay put as she is not in the path and it is one less truck on the highway not using gas which is going to be at a huge premium.

God help all the poor people and animals that can't get out of the city that care forgot. We can only hope that New Orleans dodges the bullet one more time.

Save Our Troops -- Conserve Energy

[rthonor]

Thats what the police told my brother- head north. However, he missed the exit and ended up heading west.....toward Baton Rouge. He said it was crazy.

[Boston Chicken]

Wanted to add my prayers for those of you in her path - for you and your horses.

[Ethalo2]

Please be safe everyone, we'll all be praying for you and your horses that you can make it through the storm.

[J Swan]

Is there any contact info for folks who can help out after the disaster - with animal related stuff - like bedding, veterinary supplies, transportation - whatever might be needed. Perhaps local humane society contacts, or SPCA, or rescue leagues?

That way, after the storm passes, if animal owners need help we might be able to respond.

[Oldenburg Mom]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:
That way, after the storm passes, if animal owners need help we might be able to respond. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point J Swan ...

[canadian eh?]

I'm praying for you all.... we were hit by Hurricane Juan two yrs ago and it was a nightmare but our home and horses were fine. I pray for you and your animals.

[deltawave]

Hoping and praying for the safety of all the people and critters in the path of this terrible storm. God be with you all!

[mairzeadoats]

JSwan, yes. Posted earlier is an organization to help animals in emergencies. They take donations, volunteers, etc.

http://www.uan.org/ears/

[Delidog]

Please know that my Thoughts & Prayers are with EVERYBODY and Every Fur & Feathered Creature in Loisiana at this point...
I lived through Andrew and the Big 4 last year....
I don't wish ANY hurricane,Never mind a Cat 5 on Anyone....
Please Be Safe...

[D'habi Arabians]

This younger woman is a contact in Texas and is working to get hay set up/arranged.

FEMA and the Red Cross both have her name and number. She was willing to haul into New Orleans to get animals but they told her there would be no diesel for her to get out of there.

She posted she has been having to tell people calling her for help there is none coming and trying to help them cope with what to do for their animals.

Her name is Name: Stephanie Garcia

phone number 979 204 2258

[happy mouth]

Oh God, the Zoo......... couldn't they move the animals? Do they just sit in their cages and drown? Dear Lord, can't we do better than this?

[JulieMontgomery]

It's heartbreaking to see so many people still lined up to get into the Super Dome. In the pouring rain ... God bless and keep them.

Whatever our Higher Power is, each of us can pray. And in my faith, the Bible says, "The fervent prayers of a righteous man availeth much..."

[Aptor Hours]

This is so upsetting. I just pray everything is ok.

[grayarabs]

I cannot stop my tears. Just watched some of the news. The traffic out of NO. What if folks are still stuck in traffic on those bridges when it hits? I did not hear a time frame for when they thought folks might be out clear and safe. And running out of gas.
What a nightmare. I feel for my neighbors in NO. I so worry also for all the animals.
The zoo - the horses and small animals. I think I just saw on the news - one of the runners - that the SPCA is asking people to take their pets with them. Something else about tags. And then - people to be charged with animal cruelty for leaving their pets behind. I cannot imagine who would leave their pet behind. I would have all mine packed and be picking up strays on my way out.
What will become of New Orleans. Just too difficult to fathom.

U ia

[sleepdeprived]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by happy mouth:
Oh God, the Zoo......... couldn't they move the animals? Do they just sit in their cages and drown? Dear Lord, can't we do better than this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Happy Mouth I think I saw something on CNN about the animals a little while ago... they have moved some to safer buildings/warehouses. They had moved dolphins, porpoises (porpoisi?) to hotel swimming pools that they had turned into saline pools several days ago. So I'm sure they are doing what they can to protect them.

PS Grayarabs, I believe they said they have about 12 more hours bfore it hits.

[Delidog]

Hey,I Did see one Positive newscast...The Dolphins,From the Aquarium that sits IN THE WATER in N.O. have been Re-homed to the Ramada and the Holiday Inn!!! They are in the Pools there...They showed it on t.v.
The Seals are in Warehouses because they can go a long time with out water
The dolphins seemed Happy!!!!They were jumping all about...they have redone the chemicals in the water,so it is Salt Water,w/just a Little bit of Chlorine!! They'll be Safe There!! Woo HOO

[mairzeadoats]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by happy mouth:
Oh God, the Zoo......... couldn't they move the animals? Do they just sit in their cages and drown? Dear Lord, can't we do better than this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, they don't leave them out to fend for themselves in hurricanes. I saw a program just the other night about one of the big hurricanes (Andrew or Hugo?). The zookeeper neglected his own family (pregnant wife was furious) to safeguard the zoo animals. A 12 year old girl volunteered to help (they didn't normally allow such young people to volunteer, but he knew her and let her help. She was one of the people killed later at her home when the hurricane hit, by a flying piece of plywood).

They put the animals inside the cinderblock and cement buildings...they grabbed pink pelicans by the armload and put them in a public restroom.

After the storm, when he returned to take care of the animals, he saw a group of monkeys running loose. But they weren't from the zoo...they were from a research lab http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I've seen other programs as well, where the zookeepers said the same things. They get the animals inside the cinderblock/cement buildings.

[Erin]

Something that everyone who owns pets should be aware of, especially if you live in an area where a hurricane could conceivably hit, is that many emergency shelters for humans WILL NOT ALLOW PETS. (Can't really blame them for that... the people are their first priority.)

If you have pets, you need to be prepared for that and be able to evacuate WITH your animals. Don't assume that you can take Fido and Fluffy with you to the local YMCA where the Red Cross has set up shop.

I have more cats right now than I have cat carriers, and I keep meaning to buy another couple (carriers, not cats http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) "just in case"... I think I'll be hitting Petsmart tomorrow and finally crossing that off my to-do list!

Here's an article (http://vetcentric.com/magazine/magazineArticle.cfm?ARTICLEID=1802) my friend Tracy wrote that has some good info.

[imissvixen]

It's the little domestic animals that I think really bear the brunt of lots of these storms though in this case it may be humans too. I remember after the last hurricane in NC that there were many many homeless dogs and cats that were rescued from the eastern part of the state and brought to the Vet School in Raleigh for rehab and hopefully re-homing.

When I lived in New Orleans we would get waist high water when it rained really hard. If they get that big storm tide I would think it is going to wipe out all remaining small animals there. And just think of the vermin.

[Delidog]

That Documentary was written about Hurricane Andrew Metro Zoo in Miami...
That IS what took Place there during that Storm

[Delidog]

It wasn't Pelicans...It was Pink Flamingoes that spent the Whole Storm of Andrew in the rest rooms!!!

[anita m]

Good article, Erin. Thanks for the link.

[M.K.Smith]

Prayers to everyone in the path... may people and creatures stay safe.

[Phaxxton]

My God, I am so upset and scared for everyone - and I don't really know anyone in the area.

Prayers are with all creatures in Katrina's path. Be safe. We're all praying for you!

[17handtb]

I just wanted to share my best wishes and prayers for all who are in this storm's path. Be safe.

If anyone hears about a call for volunteers to come down and assist (animal rescue efforts as well as human), please post here.

[equescool]

I have a horse I raised, C.J. the Maxx, who was sold and was last at Oak Hill Ranch in Folsom, LA., which is north of Covington and Lake Ponchartrain. Does anyone know if these horses have been evacuated ? I will appreciate news in the aftermath. He was the first foal out of my mare who I raised on a bottle when I was six mos pregnant. Many thanks, EQ

[alabama]

This is one big fat scary storm. I know I might over react but I always put my breakaways on my horses. I wrote my phone #s on their butts tonight, too. Looks like the worst will be west of us (still cat 2 even this high up!).

I have a total of eleven cats inside right now. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I am not a collector. LOL! I just happened to have a pregger stray girl take up in my garage and I couldn't let her stay out there. She'd move them and they'd be feral. She now is living in my back bedroom.

Evacuating would be hard but I would manage it somehow.

[RHF_cSi]

From Biloxi MS

hey everyone i'm here at Keesler AFB right now and so far nothing but a little wind and spinkles now and again.....high spirits are all over the base right now, so i hope those of you who decided to stay know that we here at Keesler will be here for you.....Anyways well riding out this storm no more then a block away from the coast isn't what i call a "smart" idea but i'm pretty sure Keesler is built like a tank. Theey made it through Camille right?? Well wish us all luck and wish everyone else luck and god speed.

[RHF_cSi]

also so you know my doggies are locked up in there kennels in the base gym which personally I feel is safer then in the hospital, and they have enough food and water to last a few days. I only worry about the horses and my trainer because they are riding this storm out but my trainer is a sturdy old man and my prrayers are with him and all of our horses

[FLF]

Good luck to you all..

[YankeeLawyer]

This is probably not that helpful becaues I am so far away but if anyone from LA needs a place to come with a couple of horses they are welcome at my farm. I am in Northern Virginia, PT me.

I recently moved here from NOLA, my husband lives/works there and commutes to VA weekends. I am so, so sad for everyone who is still in harm's way and what might befall that great city. Why on earth did our mayor wait so long to order a mandatory evacuation? I know too many people who are too stubborn to leave unless that is in place; the theory being that it couldn't be that bad unless they order evacuation (personally I'm a scaredy cat and evac at Cat 3).

Good luck and prayers to everyone.

[spacely]

Here (http://www.vetcentric.com/magazine/magazineArticle.cfm?ARTICLEID=1410) is an article written by own very own Erin on disasters & horses. There are some good links at the end too.

[Boston Chicken]

thank heavens she appears to be weakening a bit - though not enough. I don't know about you all, but I did not sleep well at all knowing that the gulf would be devastated today.

Admittedly, I'm not a pray-er, but I have come out of retirement for this.

[retreadeventer]

I think we need to start organizing relief help. When this is finished -- we need to help those whose farms, stables and horses are in NEED. We need to identify:
-- farms, stables that need help
-- what they need
-- how to get it to them
-- organize donations and/or help
Can we as COTH'ers get this together? Perhaps our intrepid monitors can get a separate thread started for this or help to organize some kind of communication. Probably many of the folks in need will NOT have electricity and therefore no computers or email, so those of us that CAN communicate will be operating somewhat in a vacuum until we can reach the needy horse people.
I think if anyone personally KNOWS people with horses in this area and has direct communication with them they need to post here and let us know what is happening and what is needed.
I am assuming there will be needs for
FENCING
VETERINARY/MEDICAL
FEED - dry and clean

[Amwrider]

Praying and jingling for everyone in Katrina's path. I am from NO and still have family there, not sure if they evacuated or not as I haven't been able to talk to them. My Godfather also is a writer with a "thrillseeker" mentality (spearfishes big game fish off of oil rigs, hunts wild boar etc.) so I am sure that idiot that he is he stayed behind so he would write about it. I hope he got his family out of there.

Hurricanes are my biggest fear with the horses. I know I would never be able to get them out and the biggest fear would be stuck on the highway with a horse trailer when the storm hits.

Prayers for everyone.

[relocatedTXjumpr]

Gosh, I didnt realize how strong it was until this morning on the drive into work!


I know its probably too late...but, even after the storm, I can offer a pasture for 2 horses, no stallions, and a bedroom and a pull out bed for a human or two.

Its not much, and in N. GA, but its dry and safe!

Stay safe, everyone!

[beausgirl]

I too would offer a dry clean place to stay in KY for humans, dogs, cats, horses and whatever else. The issue will be how to go about letting people know we are here for them, and getting them help. Are there any organizations that specialize in foster/layover care for animals in this situation? If so, please post phone and or link.

Scary, scary situation. You just know there are hundreds of small pets that were left behind to fend for themselves.

[allicolls Aefvue Farms Deep South]

The latest news is that the Superdome is leaking...but luckily only in one little section. Pray for all those people that couldn't get out of the city!

[sleepdeprived]

Not to sound like Fox news but I think it's more than a leak. They say part of it is peeling away and they're very concerned. But they can go deep into the recesses inside where it's safer. Jingling and lighting candles and for everyone in Miss. and AL too.

[equescool]

Here is a prayer that was posted on the endurance forum:
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From: Dolores Arste &lt;darste3@direcway.com&gt;
Subject: [RC] FW: *InTheFlowResearch* prayer for Katrina

If you resonate with this prayer, please join with me and many others today
for the storm system known as Hurricane Katrina. If it doesn't resonate,
please join us with your own prayer for this situation. Feel free to pass
along.

Surrendered first to Source Light:

"Storm system Katrina is now diminsihed in strength on all levels of it's
being. The fuel that has fed this storm system is now peacefully withdrawn.
Only love and light are present in this storm system and all non-benefical
energy is now given to the Highest Light Intelligence. We are surrounding
all forms of life and property with love and light protection as we partner
with the Angelic Realm for the highest and best outcome. We surrender all of
our thoughts, words and actions unto Source/God and Mother Earth for the
highest good of all. It is our will that no harm come to any living thing.
We are confident and faithful that right ordered intervention is now taking
place, and that all is well."

Amen.

Reference Posts:
"The Creation Room":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InTheFlowResearch/message/128
Synopsis of A-H Teachings; About Abraham
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InTheFlowResearch/message/1951
THE CHANNELED TEACHINGS OF ABRAHAM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/InTheFlowResearch/message/1954

[2 tbs]

WOW!! News reports just said parts of the Superdome roof have ripped off!!! It was leaking through the morning but the winds of Katrina were to much and now all those poor people inside are subjected to full blast of the storm!

NO is flooding rapidly per the reports also. They've reported that loose animals don't stand a chance - I can't even imagine http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

I hope everyone got out safely and those that stayed behind I hope they make it through. Here in Pittsburgh where they are promising we may see a repeat of the disaster we saw with Ivan I can't even begin to express my concern for those who have to deal with these storms as a category anything! We see them as remnants and although they pack a wicked punch for our area...they are nothing like a direct hit. Prayers for everyone's safety!

[Cashela]

I'm jingling like mad here. Wish I was closer to offer refuge. I wish I had the money to go down there after the storm to help with the animals.

[2 tbs]

Here is a link to the story about the holes in the roof...so far majority of the roof is holding tight but there are holes.

http://www.wpxi.com/weather/4887230/detail.html

[Amwrider]

We just got word from my Godfather, he did evacuate and went to Houston.

I am watching reports on CNN, Weather.com, and WDSU.com which is one of the NO local stations.

[Arado]

Hope all are fairing as well as possible FOX NEWS has reported a levee break in NO.People that stayed are climbing the roofs on their homes http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif [across St.Bernards Parish.] a lot of litter adn are saying Mississippi actually may get t he worst end of it.Godspeed

[bwf]

To all of you who are getting ready for the storm.. we are praying for you and yours. I hope you all make it ok!!! I live in a hurricane area and know how hard they can be. For those of you who do not live in a hurricane area please do not pass judgement on some of these folks who decide to stay. Please just pray for them and hope they are ok. Not all of you know there situations. I have 12 horses of my own and have often stayed in the storms in the barn. We have a really well built barn, with a built in generator in our barn and house. We would never be able to get out of where I live with the horses, we have to cross bridges and when there is traffic you would sit for hours. It would take days to get them all out. If a cat 4 or 5 is due to hit, you mark the horses well with phone # have pictures and all the records of each horse, and turn them out. They often know better then us how to get to higher ground and survive the storm. It is a really hard choice. I hope that most of you will never have to go through a storm that bad.

[relocatedTXjumpr]

This thing is HUGE!!! The entire state of MI is covered with it!

We are even supposed to get some wind out of it way up here!

Hoping everyone stays safe.

[apache_dj]

i hope everyones ok! stay safe guys, im sorry im not much help, over here in the uk we are fortunate enough not to get this, all i can do is pray for you guys!

whats the latest with katrina? im on the weather website trying to find out, has it hit land yet as a cat 5?

[Declaring]

Another Uk person trying to follow updates and really hoping for everyone's safety- and thinking of those animals out in the elements. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[lep]

I evacuated, as did another poster that I ride with. Her horse went north of the city (about 70 miles) and mine went about 45 miles north west....I'm hoping they are ok and that we have a barn to go back to when this is all over (and hoping of course that we have homes to go back to!). I think New Orleans is lucky so far though.

[War Admiral]

The biggest problems are going to be in Mississippi, where...

(1) There are bunches of oil refineries which may not hold up to this battering - possibility of an oil spill of epic proportions;

(2) An awful, awful lot of people are so poor they don't even have home insurance.

I've only seen the one report on Fox of the levee break in New Orleans and it didn't give details. Anyone have further info?

[mrs.smith]

Praying here in Pittsburgh, PA for everyone in Katrina's path. We had horrilbe flooding in my little town last September from Ivan. I can't even imagine what the folks in the path of this storm are going through. It just brings tears to my eyes. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

Also wondering about the levee break. I haven't heard anything about it.

[War Admiral]

CNN has it now... It's the Industrial Canal.
Levee Break (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/29/hurricane.katrina/index.html)

[Instant Karma]

It looks like it is downgraded to a CAT 4, still serious but going in the right direction at least.

My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone in harm's way!

[War Admiral]

Downgraded to Cat 3 at 11:00.

[Arado]

It looks as though Gulfport may actually get the worst.The levee break was in the St.benards Parrish area.FN reports south of Lake Pontchartrain is completely flooded.

[Erin]

The Red Cross is, of course, taking donations... http://www.redcross.org .

[SabinoPonyLover]

although quite a drive, if people need a place for their horses during the cleanup. A friend of ours owns a TB Race Training Center, and they closed down the race barns awhile back. They have approximately 200 empty stalls in Seguin, TX. If you have the need, please email me at lazyf_ranch@yahoo.com and I will put you in touch with them.

God Bless everyone in the path of this storm.

[equest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arado:
It looks as though Gulfport may actually get the worst.The levee break was in the St.benards Parrish area.FN reports south of Lake Pontchartrain is completely flooded. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jingling for RHF_CSI, who is in Gulfport, as well as any other COTH members there.

[mairzeadoats]

The roof of the superdome is partially ripped apart, some torn away and some hanging in shreds. There are 9 or 10,000 people in there; they've been moved into the safer areas. Three levee pumps in the east part of NO failed. That area is under water. They've had many reports of buildings collapsing. They've also had many calls from people trapped on their roofs.

One of the towns taking a direct hit has boats floating down streets and buildings collapsing. It sounds like much of the area between NO and Biloxi will be pretty much leveled when it's over.

[carosello]

August 27, 2005
Horse and Pet Shelters

HORSE AND PET SHELTERS

Evacuees seeking animal shelter facilities for their pets (dogs and cats) in the Jackson area can contact the Mississippi Animal Rescue League, at (601) 969-1631, pager number (601) 987-7076 or (601) 866-7196.

Agri Centers with Stalls available for Horse Sheltering are as follows:

Lauderdale County - Meridian, MS (601) 482-8498 or (601) 917-8041
Forrest County - Hattiesburg, MS (601) 583-7500 or (601) 299-0284
Multipurpose - Canton, MS (601) 859-4358 or (601) 573-6487
Scott County - Forest, MS (601) 469-2928
Copiah County - Gallman, MS (601) 892-1809 or (601) 892-4710
Alcorn County - Corinth, MS (662) 287-7779
Neshoba County - Philadelphia, MS (601) 656-5775 or (601) 416-5696
Oktibbeha County - MS State, MS (662) 418-3963
Tunica County - Tunica, MS (662) 363-3299
Lee County - Tupelo, MS (662) 566-5600
MS Coliseum - Jackson, MS (601) 961-4100
Marshall County - Holly Springs, MS (662) 252-5441
Charles Ainsworth - Braxton, MS (601) 847-0264
Stay tuned to WLBT and WLBT.Com for updates as we receive them.

[Pie in the Sky]

my closest and most loved friends stayed..now I wait..and pray..and hold to my faith that thay will be ok. all my love and god speed to safety

[Barn Bum]

The last I heard, I think that it is now a Cat. 2? I'm not sure though, but the wind and rain is pretty relentless, so I'm praying for eveyone down there!

Member of the No Horses To Slaughter and Mighty Thoroughbred Cliques.

[allicolls Aefvue Farms Deep South]

If you need places to stay, the fairgrounds in Jackson are a great place. Alot of horsey folks from my area went up there during Ivan. They stayed for a few days and everyone was real helpful.

Although the weather in Jackson isn't the safest right now...

[Erin]

Just saw a segment on MSNBC about this group, which will apparently be helping to rescue animals after the hurricane:

http://www.noahswish.org

[sleepdeprived]

I know the immediate concern is the aftermath of the hurricane but I'm already thinking about the next few days and the tornadoes that will spin out as the storm proceeds north. Isn't this what happened last year?

[2 tbs]

Per CNN.com Katrina is a 1 now but still...storm surge has become life threatening and the massive flooding inland is just amazing to see-almost like you knew it was gonna happen but didn't really believe it.

It seems to taking it's good ol' time moving through but at least it is weakening. It is a vast storm though and anyone in it's path, no matter what strength winds, is sure to see some devastation.

Still praying and jingling that everyone who stayed behind or even left and had to fight the gridlock is hanging in there and doing well!

[Oldenburg Mom]

Katrina has been classified a 1?

HA!

CoTH Jingles rule ... they worked YET AGAIN!!!!

Way to go CoTHers!

[allicolls Aefvue Farms Deep South]

Currently there is a band of severe thunderstorms with multiple tornado sightings in eastern Alabama/western Georgia from Panama City, FL north to Lagrange GA. There have been tornado warnings around here (Auburn) for awhile. If you're in that area, be careful and keep the radio on to listen for warnings!

[clipclopdeaf]

I wish somebody else help animals hopping in railroad on way to north or northwest or northeast, being safe, instead of traveling on trailers or vans through heavy traffic. People stay in superbowls, schools, warehouses, shelter buildings, etc, etc., not allow animals I know what I mean. I wish I would help them there, so much.

My prayers are going with all of you and horses/ponies and animals.

[Bopper]

Well we are feeling very blessed because the only thing we had was several downed limbs. We still even have electricity.

The work is on in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. There are some reports that most of St. Bernard and Plaquaemines parishes (Counties) are under water. These are the areas people are reported being trapped on their roofs. Our state Wildlife and Fisheries agency is rescueing people now. Also the Agric. Dept. is concerned because of the large number of livestock in this area that may have drowned. This area does not have much in crops but if I remember correctly there are LOTS of cows.

Kenner, a suburb of NO, is estimated to have damage to all residential buildings. N O is shut off with only emergency personnel allowed to enter. Looting is already a problem. It may take a month to get the power back which means no sewer and possible no water.

People are stranded all over the gulf coast and they will not be able to come home for days. My brother is stuck in Pensacola and the storm went right over where his home is located. He probably will not be able to go home for days.

Please pray for all of our neighbors.

[pegasus209]

Bopper--Thank God! I was just sitting here worrying about everyone and their animals in the path of the storm. So glad you made it through safe!

[BeastieSlave]

Glad to hear you're okay Bopper! Hopefully we'll have some other folks checking in soon.

Katrina may be weakening, but she's certainly far-reaching. We're having tornado watches & warnings all the way over here in southwest GA now http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[happy mouth]

Bopper, what a releif you are ok. Thanks for checking in. We were all so worried and frantic for you.

[rthonor]

Bopper- have you hear anything about the St. Rose area which I think is close to Kenner? That is where my trainer's horse were. thanks,rt

[Pie in the Sky]

any word on midcity near the race track that is where my family is. and we have lost contact with them after 8 am their time...

[Reynard Ridge]

Prayers and good wishes for all. Bopper, glad to hear that you are okay.

[Cartier]

Bopper,
It's so good to hear that you made it through Katrina... there are about a zillion people here that care... http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[alabama]

All's good in central AL. Getting some gusts and a few tornado warnings here and there. Western AL and MS is getting pounded. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[FlightCheck]

thinking of everyone tonight...one of the stations had video of PIGS all trying to climb on a roof of a barn....it was so sad http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[LongLeaf]

Good to hear from you, Bopper!

Still jingling and praying for everyone and everything in the path of this storm.

[Instant Karma]

And the friggen looting that is going on... I wonder if they will pass the law where you can defend yourself in situations where the police may not be able to get to you.

What is that called again?

[Ethalo2]

Bopper, glad to hear all is well, I was thinking about everyone and their animals all day. Many prayers and jingles to those we don't know about yet.

[ML]

Bopper worried about you all day, so gald you could tell us you are ok. It is so sad so many have lost so much. Nice to hear one voice that is ok.

[Mega Rock]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Instant Karma:
And the friggen looting that is going on... I wonder if they will pass the law where you can defend yourself in situations where the police may not be able to get to you.

What is that called again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Martial Law?

[sid]

Bopper, glad you and your horses are okay.

It sounds like you'll be the communication link to many COTH'rs who have friends, family and horses down your way.

Hope you'll keep us posted.

[Delidog]

Oh Great!!! Bopper it is SOOOOO Great to hear that You are Alright...
I am Still Praying for ALL Friends,Family Members,Trainers,and 4 Leggers of everyone on this Board....Those States got Anhillated!!!!
I was Crying watching the newscasts....I have lived through it,My Heart goes out to you all!!!!

Instant Karma....I think that Law is referred to as the "Make My Day" Law....
It Absolutely INFURIATES me that Police have to spend Precious Time and Effort on Looters and Price Gougers....I saw something on the news about Price Gougers and What We Should Make them DO for their Crime.....One Guy Responded,They should be Made to stand on a Street corner..(Of Effected City) with a Sign around their neck,that said..."I Gouged My Pricing After Hurricane Katrina"...Let the Locals do the rest!!! http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I AGREE!!!!

[Cashela]

Bopper, I'm so glad your ok!!!

I just saw this pic on netscape and thought I would share...

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cp/news/top/i/katrina11_135.jpg

[missgrey]

Martial Law is when the military takes over civilian affairs and law enforcement(usually in time of war or civil crisis)

[lizathenag]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What is that called again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
you might be thinking of Florida's new stand and shoot law.

[JulieMontgomery]

I think looters should be shot on sight.

Period.

[bwf]

For those of you who do not have to deal with hurricanes lotters are a PITA that is why we have often stayed for some of the storms. In our last big storm they did have mandatory curfews for about a week. No one could be out after dark and the police ment it!!! I know because we did not know about it and tried to go back to check on our house after we weathered the storm in our barn. They sent us back and we were stopped two other times on the way back.
The biggest part for theses poor folks is dealing with the loss and cleanup. Finding gas is a huge PITA, no power, no pumps. You would also be be amazed what people will do for ice and what they charge you for it. I real feel for all these folks the cleanup can take and rebuiding can go on for a whole year after these storms. We are still praying for all of those who have been hit by Katrina!!

[MistyBlue]

JulieMontgomery...I just logged onto COTH and this was the first thread I opened to see if there was news from those in the storm's path. I have the news on as I type about the storm and have just listened to reports of looters and said to my husband the exact same thing you just posted. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I agree whole heartedly. Such a cowardly and anti-social, sub-par thing to do during a tragic weather crises like this.
Bopper and others...soooo glad to hear everyone's okay so far. The news photos have been terrible with the flooding photos.
Just saw on the weather channel that Kat is down to a tropical storm with less than 65 mph winds...but those winds extend a whole far way out from her center. She's losing steam but is still packing quite a punch in rain volume and winds...so those still in the path please stay safe and be prepared.

[jetsmom]

Just saw some video on MSNBC that showed a parish outside of New Orleans completely flooded, and there were about 8 horses standing on a thin strip of dry ground ( looked like it was about 8 feet wide by 60 feet long).

I hope Old lady on a TB and RHFrsi and their animals are OK.

[Erin]

I'm watching CNN (Newsnight with Aaron Brown) and he just had a segment talking with a reporter (Jeanne?) on the phone... the reporter was on the verge of tears describing all of the people (and animals) who were trapped on roofs or in attics, and how the rescuers just simply aren't able to get to them because it's too dangerous, and of course it's gotten dark. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Louise]

Just heard that there has been a breach in the levee and that new water is pouring into New Orleans. Whjat a fear to have to live with, not knowing right away how much the system has been weakened by the storm, and what further breaches could occur.

[Bopper]

They showed the unedited video of New Orleans on local television stations yesterday. City Park (there is a stable there) was under water - at least the golf course. THe Fairgrounds racetrack had water all around the barns but at least they looked in okay shape - still standing with roofs. The clubhouse is in bad shape. They did not show St. Rose or any other barns. I hope they were able to get the horses out.

Most state agencies are closed today but I was asked to go in. I work for the Dept. of Agric. so today will be about getting food out of our warehouses to victims (We store federal school food) and making plans for livestock problems associated with the flooding.

Has anyone heard from OldLadyonaTB? She is in Gonzales - a little closer to the storm and may just not have power.

Or what about HunterHolly - she boards at city park but hopefully moved her horses to Lafayette.

[Boston Chicken]

Glad you're OK Bopper. I was thinking about you too yesterday. What awful pictures we're seeing this morning on the news. I sincerely hope those who need help are able to get it.

[anita m]

Is there any news on the zoo? Is it flooded and how many animals where they able to get out?

[War Admiral]

The Humane Society and the Red Cross now have links for donations for disaster relief:

http://www.hsus.org/

http://www.redcross.org/

Also as someone posted earlier, there's Noah's Wish:

http://www.noahswish.org/

Seems like there's got to be more we could do, though. Would welcome suggestions!!

[horseyfolks]

Just heard on satellite radio that an apartment complex was destroyed by the storm in Biloxi Miss and there are as many as 50 dead. they just got to the building this morning and are still looking for survivors.

The apartment building was on the beach.... why would they even stay there in the face of a storm like this one?

Don

[beausgirl]

Bopper so glad to hear that you are safe and sound. What can we do to help? You are in the Dept of Ag, do you need people with trailers? foster/temp homes for animals? a spare set of capable hands with experience and common sense? I live in KY and can offer all of the above. We want to help in any way possible.

[BeastieSlave]

I'm available too. I think this is the kind of thing that I can take time off from work for http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I'm in the south, I have a trailer. I actually have a pasture to spare too.

I'm going to start making some calls to see what agencies take my kind of help.....

[horseyfolks]

Beastie... you know how to get in touch with me if you need me. My big trailer will haul 5 and we could load the trailers with hay and bags of grain to take out there when we go. I can also free up 4 stalls.

Don

[horseyfolks]

Just heard on satellite that there are now Leevees broken on both the east and west side of New Orleans. More than half of the city is underwater and in some places it is 20 feet deep.

Don

[BeastieSlave]

Yes, we need to get organized. I can see a "Blue Tarp State" convoy! I'll let you know what I find out.

And if anyone is already plugged in to a rescue group and wants help, let me know. There is no need in redundancy here.

[horseyfolks]

Beastie I'm sure we don't need to go all the way to New Orleans... parts of Miss and Alabama are devastated and we can get the help in there pretty quickly. It may be a long time before civilians can even get out to NO when and if the roads are opened.

Don

[BeastieSlave]

Oh boy... I have just been on the phone with the GA Dept. of AG. They are starting a list (with me at the top) of folks who will be able to travel to help out. They are coordinating with FEMA. Apparently there are plenty of folks who have volunteered space for beasties that come to GA, but noone else has volunteered to go.

I think the idea was a bit novel at first, but they have warmed to it and called me back within minutes. They asked if I knew of anyone in need of assistance and how many folks I could mobilize...

[kb]

For those that are already thinking and planning of helping...thank you! It will be needed and greatly appreciated.

I have family there - still have one cousin, an aunt and a 98 year old grandfather we have not heard from. My other aunt said you cannot imagine how bad it is. She is 70 and has lived through many storms - and she said she has never seen the likes of this destruction.

My sister works with an animal rescue there (has for years) she said once she gets back in town, she will let me know if there is anything we can do for them.

[Arado]

Bopper glad tosee you are ok.I would be glad to contribute a few $$ for the cause and will bring it up at our 4-H meeting Friday night .If there is a place the funds are best spent please post it here so we know where to send it. Good luck and Godspeed

[sid]

Just got a call from someone near me whose sister needs to send her horses up here to familiy and was looking for board.

Is there a thread where those of us who can open our farms to horses that need to be relocated can post?

I have about 7 acres (4 pastures) of empty horse pasture, if anyone needs it.

[lep]

My horse lives at City Park, as does the horse of another poster, horseyholly. Mine evacuated to Gonzales (horseyholly's went to Folsom), and I have NOT been able to find out if he is ok. She hasn't been able to find out anything about her horse, either. Don't know anything about my home, either.... This sucks so bad!

[BeastieSlave]

The Dept. of Ag 404.656.3713 and the GA Horse Council 770.922.3350 or 800.922.0145 should have lists of people who'll take in horses in emergency situations. I think they also have shippers listed.

I think we need to start seperate threads for "Space for horses available/needed" and "Who can travel to help" and then see if we can get the powers that be to sticky them to the top.

[tirnanog]

theres a thread "REFUGE FROM KATRINA" where people have offered up space and shelter for horses and other animals. The phone numbers are there. Please let people know.

[horseyfolks]

Beastie please put me on the list right under your name.... dont tell them I am in Florida they may not let me join y'all. I'm going to get my big trailer ready, line up enough hay to fill it up (maybe 150 bales), spread this on other boards, and wait for you to tell me where to meet the convoy at.

OH, and I can't find your phone number... my e-mail is dorem@atlantic.net

Don

[Arado]

Beastie ,can we send a $$ donation for the efforts? maybe to be put towards feed and med purchases or even gas to get the relief shipped in??

[Susan P]

I have room for a couple geldings if needed. I'm in Southeast, PA, Chester County, close to Fair Hill, MD.

If they can be handled by an amateur I can take them for a few months. I have 3 rails high, split rail fence. I just added a new field.

[cllane1]

Beastie, I PT'd you for more info, but there are a few of us here in central AL who have trailers and are willing to travel to get horses in need. We also have a 10 acre pasture that is isolated from the barn area that would be suitable for housing these rescues. If y'all get a convoy together or get more info, please let me know. I'm Courtney Rottgering, 334-834-7220, courtney@jubileecityfest.org

[BeastieSlave]

It's still really early as to sending $ to this effort. I am talking to my feed store to try to get them to donate some feed, hay and supplies. My vet is next http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[BeastieSlave]

Those of you with room or who need a place to go - check out the "Refuge" thread that has been stickied to the top of the "Off Course" page!

[ltw]

I can provide a 5 acre green well rested pasture with a 12X24 run -in shed, fresh water and grain to anyone in dire need. I posted this on the Refuge from Katrina Thread too. I am in NO VA. My phone number is: 703-754-1055. I could provide this space until December. I ask that anyone who wants to bring horses have current Coggins, updated vaccinations and no illnesses. No stallions please.

Laura Whitford
http://www.studbook.com/shadowfox

[Cashela]

You guys are great. I wish I could come down and help. Seeing you guys offering to help everyone down there just moved me to tears. I hate when I cry at work.

[JulieMontgomery]

Unbelieveable, heartrending sorrow ...

Just saw an interview with a man on Fox ... it was truly the saddest thing I have seen in many years.

The man, his wife and children were on top of their house ........ the house physically split in half, and he had to make a choice whether to save the children or his wife. He and his children watched as his wife was swept away.

Bless him - the plaintive way in which he wailed, "She's gone." will haunt me for a long time.

(Warning - no one should post and say primly "they should have left" - I am not in the mood http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/uhoh.gif)

My heart aches for him and so many others. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/cry.gif

[hbm]

I can't stop thinking about everyone down there. Glad to hear some of the horses got out of City Park. Do you know if they evacuated all the horses? I keep seeing shot of the Lakefront and can't imagine how much water City Park is under.
I can't get through to anyone on the North Shore or Baton Rouge area.
Bopper - How was your trip in to help? Did you hear from OldLadyonaTB? My horse use to live down the road in St. Gabriel and I can't get through to check.
Please send any and all updates.

[Pie in the Sky]

last I heard my dearest frend in the world his father, The only father in my life are in the attic near city park.. there were a lot of people who could not leave they ran out of gas on so many parts of the city even if you wanted to go , only the best running cars can go 5 miles an hour for hourse on end with out over heating for many there was no choise but to stay and do their best to protect their oun .. I am mortified with the waiting..

[JulieMontgomery]

http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gifHeat index in Biloxi tomorrow - 105 degrees.

Looters rampant everywhere as the sun prepares to set. http://chronicleforums.com/images/custom_smilies/no.gif

[lep]

hbm, yes all the horses were evacuated from City Park.

[equescool]

lep - where in Folsom did horseyholly's horse go? The gelding I raised is at Oak Hill Ranch in Folsum. Former owner is trying to contact the current owner now. EQ

[equescool]

A friend's parents moved from Mississippi last year and sold their home there. They called friends after the storm, and it's roof was under 8 feet of water. It was a brick home. When they called back, it was gone. Just gone, dissolved.

[SimplySarah]

The news coverage of the devestation (the pictures and the interviews) has me in tears. http://chronicleforums.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I don't know if anyone here will know the answer to this or not, but does anyone know how Houma, LA fared? I have relatives there and haven't heard anything.

[lep]

equescool - I'm not sure exactly where horseyholly's went. I know it's a farm owned by one of our BOs (it's a thoroughbred farm).

SimplySarah, I think Houma fared pretty well. I know people from Morgan City (close to Houma) who've already returned home.

[lovequitation]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> The news coverage of the devestation (the pictures and the interviews) has me in tears.

I don't know if anyone here will know the answer to this or not, but does anyone know how Houma, LA fared? I have relatives there and haven't heard anything. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SimplySarah - I've seen video of places in Houma that are underwater. But my husband talked to someone who has family there who said "Houma was spared." Hopefully your relatives' homes were in the spared part.

[lovequitation]

I haven't read this entire thread because I work in television and have seen way too much video to believe. I also used to live in New Orleans, so it's all just a little too much right now. But - has anyone heard about a barn in St. Rose called "L & G Equestrian Center"? My horse used to be there.. it's directly across the street from a levee. Hopefully, it was evacated. Any info would be great.

HBM - did you read that City Park was evacuated?

[SimplySarah]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> SimplySarah, I think Houma fared pretty well. I know people from Morgan City (close to Houma) who've already returned home. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">SimplySarah - I've seen video of places in Houma that are underwater. But my husband talked to someone who has family there who said "Houma was spared." Hopefully your relatives' homes were in the spared part. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you, lep and lovequitation for those updates about Houma. We've been worried sick about the relatives down there- they are elderly and poor.
I hope that their home was spared and that they are ok. I need to resign myself to the fact that all we can do for now is pray for them, and hope for the best.

Again, thank you so much for the information. This whole waiting with no word while watching the pictures of the devestation on tv is really dreadful.

[lovequitation]

I know what you mean. I hope your relatives are okay. It's impossible to get in touch with anyone because of the phone lines and power being down and out. You, and everyone else with family down there are in my prayers. I had to turn off the tv finally because it was just too taxing for me and too surreal.

[equescool]

Thank you, lep.

The aftermath is always the worst, and soon the pictures will stop, but the people will still be struggling. It is definitely prayer time. A local group is headed down there from TN to help the American Humane Society. They had just completed a disaster training. EQ

[AshleySH]

I have two horses at Oak Haven Farm with Genie Harper in Folsom, Lousiana. I have been trying to get in touch with them since the Hurricane. Does anyone know how the barn fared?

[carosello]

Ashley I dont know them but I talked to the MR part of Zydeco Farm (Terry posts here) and they are in Folsom. He said that most in his area have houses that are OK but lots of trees and fence down. I posted the blurb over on the breeding forum of who I knew was OK.

[lep]

AshleySH, I got an email from a friend tonight who keeps her horse at a big place in Folsom (where the GALA shows are for those who are familiar), and she said "the horses on the northshore are ok." Hopefully that includes the Oak Haven ones.

[Justina]

Does anyone know how the Montegut LA--bayou country south of NO--fared? I know someone there that raises horses, danes & parrots....and no one has heard from her yet.